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Sharri | 9 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Good evening.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: The Australian National University leadership is investigating allegations that pro
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Speaker 3: Palestinian students performed the Nazi salute and gestures impersonating Hitler
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Speaker 3: last night. The activists have been caught on camera making
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Speaker 3: what appears to be Hitler impersonations in a meeting where
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Speaker 3: Jewish students were fighting for their safety on campus, and
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Speaker 3: we're going to show you those images in a moment.
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Speaker 1: This comes as police.
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Speaker 3: Were today called to universities in Queensland and Melbourne as
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Speaker 3: pro Palestinian.
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Speaker 1: Activities grew violent and abusive.
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Speaker 3: The anti Semitism and hatred is infecting most major universities
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Speaker 3: in Australia, with students also caught on film saying that
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Speaker 3: Zionists aren't welcome on campus.
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Speaker 1: Well, we can tonight.
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Speaker 3: Show you exclusive videos from the student to AGM.
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Speaker 1: At the a and U last night.
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Speaker 3: In the Zoom meeting, Jewish students put forward a motion
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Speaker 3: that said Jewish students have a right to belong to
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Speaker 3: the A and U community and it called for the
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Speaker 3: student union to condemn Hermas, to condemn the comments made
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Speaker 3: by a student Beatrice Tucker on ABC last week that
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Speaker 3: supported Hermas and also the hateful slogans and anti Semitic
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Speaker 3: hate speech. The motion also proposed that the student union
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Speaker 3: should support a two state solution to end the conflict
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Speaker 3: in the Middle East. Yet all of these points was
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Speaker 3: struck down.
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Speaker 1: Just let that sink in now.
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Speaker 3: Apparently the pro Palestinian students only want one state from
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Speaker 3: the river to the sea.
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Speaker 1: They want the eradication of Israel.
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Speaker 3: Multiple students claim that during the meeting they saw an
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Speaker 3: activist doing what appeared to be the Nazi sol You
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Speaker 3: can see it on your screen now. We've had to
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Speaker 3: blur the vision heavily for legal reasons. Then in other images,
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Speaker 3: a student appears to impersonate the Hitler mustache.
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Speaker 1: You can see that now. And this all at a.
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Speaker 3: Meeting where Jewish students were trying to move a motion
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Speaker 3: that they are entitled to feel safe on campus.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: The A ANDU Observer reported today that those who allegedly
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Speaker 3: performed these gestures were immediately removed from the ZOOM meeting
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Speaker 3: by the A and U Student Association. It is a
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Speaker 3: criminal offense in Australia to perform the Nazi salute in
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Speaker 3: a public place, and the ANU Observer reported that multiple
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Speaker 3: students have told the Observer they have or are in
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Speaker 3: the process of reporting the alleged gestures to the Australian
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Speaker 3: Federal Police, but when we spoke to the AFP, they
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Speaker 3: hadn't so they said they hadn't received any reports as
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Speaker 3: yet regarding this alleged racist behavior. Now, if these pro
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Speaker 3: Palestinian activists were impersonating Hitler or Nazi gestures, this is
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Speaker 3: truly shocking. It exposes the face of this student pro
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Speaker 3: Palestinian movement for not caring at all about Gaza, but
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Speaker 3: being driven by their hatred for Jews. If the students
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Speaker 3: cared about Palestinians, they'd be happy to condemn the terrorist
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Speaker 3: organization Hermas. But they don't care about Palestinians. They just
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Speaker 3: want a Harmas victory, as Beatrice Tucker.
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Speaker 1: Made clear on the ABC last week.
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Speaker 4: But surely if you're going to protest against that, you've
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Speaker 4: also got to send them missies to Hamas to release
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Speaker 4: the hostages, don't you.
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Speaker 5: Well, I actually say that Hermas deserve our unconditional support,
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Speaker 5: not because I really agree with their strategy.
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Speaker 2: You can't condemn what Hermess did in October.
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Speaker 5: Now I'll not condemn what har Master did. We must
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Speaker 5: be unconditional, but we must be critical also. Right.
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Speaker 3: That's obviously an edited excerpt of a longer interview, but
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Speaker 3: you get the point.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: We put questions about this to the A and U chancellor,
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Speaker 3: former Liberal Foreign Minister Julie Bishop today. Now she didn't
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Speaker 3: answer our questions, but her media team came back to
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Speaker 3: us and they told us they were aware of this
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Speaker 3: incident last night. They said A ANDU will investigate the
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Speaker 3: incident in accordance with the university's existing processes and take
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Speaker 3: appropriate action as required. They said, to be clear, any
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Speaker 3: racism or hate speech, including anti Semitism, is unacceptable at
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Speaker 3: A and U, that university acts swiftly if such behavior occurs. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's see how swiftly they act, if at all, because
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Speaker 3: they say they said to be clear, hate speech is unacceptable,
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Speaker 3: but we haven't seen any actions so far to stop
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Speaker 3: harassment and abuse on campus. Now, Julie Bishop wanted to
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Speaker 3: be the Prime minister, remember she put her hand up
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Speaker 3: in the leadership spill, didn't get many votes. But she
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Speaker 3: can't even clean up the anti semitism on a Canberra
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Speaker 3: University campus. It's very disappointing. One student from A and
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Speaker 3: U who I spoke to today was deeply distressed, emotional
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Speaker 3: and anxious after the past week. Now, university should be
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Speaker 3: a fun and carefree time in a young person's life.
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Speaker 1: It shouldn't be.
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Speaker 3: A period of abuse and discrimination. Mons University and the
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Speaker 3: University of Queensland also called in the police today as
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Speaker 3: the protest movement grew out of hand.
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Speaker 1: And that's how we're doing this.
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Speaker 3: Land needs to leave them really.
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Speaker 1: Loving aside supplair.
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Speaker 3: We were not leave And last week you may recall
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Speaker 3: that I reported here on the show leaked documents from
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Speaker 3: the University of Sydney where they said that the chants
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Speaker 3: of Interfada were not hate speech, that they were fine
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Speaker 3: on campus. Well, we were very critical on this program
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Speaker 3: of Mark Scott and Belinda Hutchinson. There was also widespread
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Speaker 3: outrage after we reported on this. Well today we learn
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Speaker 3: thanks to The Herald that Mark Scott has now written
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Speaker 3: to Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss to see whether these.
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Speaker 1: Chants are against the law.
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Speaker 3: And this will be a crucial determination because if the
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Speaker 3: chance our hate speech, then protesters across the country will
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Speaker 3: have to stop these illegal chants. And Prime Minister Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albnezi has already weighed into this issue. He told Josh
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Speaker 3: Fridenberg when he was put on the spot, that the
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Speaker 3: chance of from the river to the sea have no
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Speaker 3: place in our country, on our streets.
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Speaker 6: On the issue of the river to the sea, Dennis
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Speaker 6: Richardson again described as an extremely violent statement, and so
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Speaker 6: it has no place on our streets.
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Speaker 2: I agree.
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow the United Nations General Assembly will vote on whether
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Speaker 3: to admit Palestine as a full member state.
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Speaker 1: Of the United Nations.
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Speaker 3: Now, I've confirmed that the Albanezy government as of this
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Speaker 3: afternoon was still currently examining the draft. They hadn't made
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Speaker 3: a final decision about whether they're supporting this or not,
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Speaker 3: and I'm told that Albanzi is said to have not
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Speaker 3: made up his own mind yet. There has already been
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Speaker 3: a cabinet discussion on it. No conclusion ultimately reached. I'm
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Speaker 3: told now at best labor willep state at best.
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Speaker 1: But if Albanzi and Penny.
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Speaker 3: Wong's support the record cognition of Palestine as a UN
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Speaker 3: member state, as they're inclined to do, they will be
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Speaker 3: rewarding terrorism. Julian and Lisa said it well here last night.
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Speaker 3: He said this vote would not be happening if it
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Speaker 3: weren't for the Hamas attacks on October seven, the Hamas
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Speaker 3: slaughter of babies and children, the rape.
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Speaker 1: And execution of young women.
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Speaker 3: Now, the lesson from that blood bath can't be that
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Speaker 3: Hamas As, the current governing body of Gaza, is rewarded
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Speaker 3: with statehood. And as Jeremy Leebeler wrote in The Thin
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Speaker 3: Review today, this vote would send a dangerous message that
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Speaker 3: recognition requires no reform, no effort, no negotiation, and no
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Speaker 3: commitment to live in peace alongside Israel. Before there is
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Speaker 3: any Palestinian state, its leadership need to recognize that Israel
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Speaker 3: has a right to exist from rape, terror and slaughter.
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Speaker 1: Now tonight.
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Speaker 3: An A and U student who was at that meeting
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Speaker 3: last night and was fighting for her safety on campus
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Speaker 3: would join me on the show tonight. She's very brave
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Speaker 3: for speaking out. Also, pandemic premiers lashed for their COVID
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Speaker 3: overreach with new revelations of house states, especially Victoria, imposed
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Speaker 3: rules on us without seeking medical advice, and still no
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Speaker 3: move from the Prime Minister to defend our military and
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Speaker 3: stand up to China. Today, I'm going to have the
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Speaker 3: Shadow Defense Minister, Andrew Hasty on the program to speak
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Speaker 3: about it. But first let's bring in right now, National
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Speaker 3: Senator Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 1: Matt, great to see you. Look, the Coalition is.
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Speaker 3: Now calling for a Senate inquiry into anti Semitism. I've
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Speaker 3: just been on university campuses. I've just been speaking about
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Speaker 3: this issue at the start of my show. This isn't
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Speaker 3: about shutting down free speech. Perfectly fine for Australians not
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Speaker 3: to agree with.
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Speaker 1: Each other, to have a different view on the war.
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Speaker 3: But what's not fine is students to be intimidated and
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Speaker 3: harassed and abused because of their religion, to feel unsafe
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Speaker 3: turning up to campus. And that's what's unfolding in multiple
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Speaker 3: universities that cost tens of thousands of dollars to attend.
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Speaker 7: You're absolutely right, Shari, and you've described that distinction very
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Speaker 7: well there that we're a free country and people are
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Speaker 7: free to have their views on different actions that other
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Speaker 7: people take all around the world. And obviously young students
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Speaker 7: are often going to take strident position. Sometimes I think
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Speaker 7: this guided positions like I did in my misspent youth
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Speaker 7: at university.
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Speaker 2: But it's free.
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Speaker 7: They're free to do so, they're free to make even
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Speaker 7: mistakes in terms of their views. At least, they're not
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Speaker 7: free to harass other people. They're certainly not free to
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Speaker 7: discriminate against other people on their religion. And these things
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Speaker 7: must be stamped out, and they must be very strong
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Speaker 7: leadership from our government and university leaders that any examples
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Speaker 7: of that kind will will we responded to with severe penalties. Likewise, too,
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Speaker 7: you are not free as a student to interrupt the
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Speaker 7: studies of other students by camping out in common areas
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Speaker 7: or overtaking buildings to facing buildings. I don't understand why
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Speaker 7: these students are not immediately expelled. I mean, where's the discipline.
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Speaker 7: These are ultimately educational institutions, and there should be a
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Speaker 7: set There is a set of standards and a code
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Speaker 7: of conduct that students are expected to abide by. And
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Speaker 7: if they do interfere with other students, certainly, if.
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Speaker 2: They harass.
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Speaker 7: Or discriminate against other students based on their religion, then.
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Speaker 2: They should be dismissed from the school. End of story.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in now senior fellow at the Menzies
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Speaker 3: Research Institute, Nick Cata. I mean, Nick, part of the
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Speaker 3: problem is the weakness of the university chance and vice chancellors.
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Speaker 1: People like Julie Bishop at A and.
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Speaker 8: U exactly right, Shari. I mean you get the impression
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Speaker 8: they've been cowered into silence on this. They just don't
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Speaker 8: seem to be able to stand up with the required
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Speaker 8: vigor and firmness that's needed. I also think that it
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Speaker 8: comes from the Prime Minister and the Government, which as
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Speaker 8: you know, has had an equivocating response to this whole
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Speaker 8: thing from the very start. I just don't see that
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Speaker 8: firmness from the current Prime minister that you know what
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Speaker 8: you would have seen from say John Howard or Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 8: So look, it's the students are not getting the kind
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Speaker 8: of pushback that they need, certainly at the university level.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's quite appalling really that the
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Speaker 8: chancellors and vice arces should just be prepared to let
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Speaker 8: this happen and basically take as softly softly approached, because
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Speaker 8: that won't help. I'm just going to get worse, as
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Speaker 8: we've seen on the American campuses. We need firm action,
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Speaker 8: firm combination right now.
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Speaker 3: And I should mention Nick because everyone will be confused.
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Speaker 3: It's obviously nighttime in most parts of Australia except potentially
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Speaker 3: not WA but you're coming to us now from the
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Speaker 3: other side.
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Speaker 1: Of the world.
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Speaker 8: I'm in Helsinki. Yes, I'm over here to investigate the
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Speaker 8: nuclear power industry, which is going very well here in Helsinki,
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Speaker 8: and that's what I'm here for.
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Speaker 3: Well, that sounds like a great trip. And I'm Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 3: Maybe some of the Labor and ps who are so
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Speaker 3: set against nuclear who won't have an open mind about it,
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Speaker 3: should go and investigate as well.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe the Greens political party too should too, because
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Speaker 7: my understanding of the Greens over there actually support a
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Speaker 7: very strong advocates for nuclear power, and the closed minded
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Speaker 7: approach we have and see from the Labor and Greens
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Speaker 7: party here seems to be totally because they are obsessed
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Speaker 7: with renewable energy in hock almost to a renewable energy
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Speaker 7: industry that's addicted to spending your money, taxpayers money.
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Speaker 2: It's the only way they survive.
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Speaker 7: And now because of that unholy alliance funded by your taxes,
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Speaker 7: there's just no even consideration of other forms of energy,
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Speaker 7: and we see the results. We see the results in
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Speaker 7: New South Wales today the average electricity price in the
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Speaker 7: wholesale market was three and a half thousand dollars per
14:26
Speaker 7: megawatt hour, well over one hundred times it normally is.
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Speaker 7: And this is happening on an increasing basis because we
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Speaker 7: just do not have enough reliable power as we've invested
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Speaker 7: in a lot of intermittent, unreliable renewable power.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, now Greg Hunt has come out today and he's
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Speaker 3: lashed states and territories for making what he callsed unilateral
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Speaker 3: health decisions during the COVID nineteen pandemic. He was Greg
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Speaker 3: Hunt on my colleague Chris Kenny's show a bit earlier.
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Speaker 9: I highlighted in the submission that I was I'm not
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Speaker 9: aware of medical advice for curfews in Victoria or for
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Speaker 9: the five kilometer rule, and I believe there was some
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Speaker 9: discussion at the time that there was not a medical basis,
15:11
Speaker 9: and there was not. If you had to have medical advice,
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Speaker 9: then those elements would arguably never have occurred, and I
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Speaker 9: think that would have been a good outcome.
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Speaker 1: Nick Cata.
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Speaker 3: Look, we had heard before suggestions that Victorian Premier Dan
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Speaker 3: Andrews was at times relying on public polling rather than
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Speaker 3: medical advice when he made some of his.
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Speaker 1: More contentious decisions.
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Speaker 3: But to hear Greg Hunt who was the federal health
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Speaker 3: minister come out and say he didn't know of any
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Speaker 3: medical advice specifically.
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Speaker 1: That Victoria was relying on.
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Speaker 3: Well, there'll be a lot of people who feel very
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Speaker 3: angry about that, particularly parents whose children were suffering mental
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Speaker 3: health issues.
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Speaker 8: Well, let let's put the usual caveats in place, Sharie.
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Speaker 8: This was a novel factorral virus. Nobody knew how to
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Speaker 8: deal with it, nobody knew how bad it was. So
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Speaker 8: I'm going to cut state and federal governments and leaders
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Speaker 8: a little bit of slack there. But I think the
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Speaker 8: mistake the federal government did was just to sit back
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Speaker 8: and let the states make these decisions about closing borders,
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Speaker 8: about lockdowns. We didn't see any pushback that I could
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Speaker 8: see publicly, or no serious pushback from the federal government
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Speaker 8: against these ridiculous lockdowns in Melbourne, nor about the excessive
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Speaker 8: policing that went on. You know, I mean that somebody
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Speaker 8: should have stood up and said, we just don't behave
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Speaker 8: to Australian citizens in that way. That is just not
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Speaker 8: the way this country runs. I didn't hear any of
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Speaker 8: that at the time, except you know, good people on
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Speaker 8: your program and elsewhere on Sky. But certainly not from
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Speaker 8: our political leaders. A very, very troubling period in Australia's history.
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Speaker 3: In my view, it's so funny how quickly we forget
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Speaker 3: and we just move on from it, when you know,
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Speaker 3: it's absurd to think that park benches literally had, you know,
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Speaker 3: and police take across them. I remember my son was one,
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Speaker 3: literally one at the time, and it had to sneak
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Speaker 3: him onto a beach so he could feel his toes
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Speaker 3: in the sand and in the seawater. And the whole
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Speaker 3: time I was petrified about getting a fine Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 3: I mean, those are such minor examples compared to families
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Speaker 3: who couldn't get across the States to get medical treatment.
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Speaker 1: But how did we get into this?
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Speaker 7: It's criminal, Sharon, you were putting Grandma's at risk?
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Speaker 2: How dare you?
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Speaker 1: How did we accept all of this? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to pick up on what something
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Speaker 2: Nick said.
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Speaker 7: It is very perceptive and I welcomed Greg's comments today.
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Speaker 7: He's candor it's welcome now. But I know Greg has
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Speaker 7: said that in the future public health advice should be published,
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Speaker 7: or there should be a rule that it's made public. Well,
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Speaker 7: it raises the question why this federal government public health
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Speaker 7: advice against the five kilometer rule, for example, wasn't published
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Speaker 7: at the time.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Greg Hart was a minute at the time.
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Speaker 7: Why didn't he direct this public health advice to be
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Speaker 7: made public and so we could all see that Dan
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Speaker 7: Andrews rules were draconian and not based on any science
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Speaker 7: at all. And Nick's right that there's very few politicians
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Speaker 7: who came in against it. I would also cut politicians
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Speaker 7: some slack in twenty twenty that it was novel then,
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Speaker 7: but a year or so later, in twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 7: we kind of knew about the virus very well, and
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Speaker 7: we continued with this approach. I became very critical of it,
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Speaker 7: and anyone who did was pillar eaders, because you know,
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Speaker 7: as I was saying, you were a Grandmark killer, you
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Speaker 7: were going against scientific advice and we were all operating
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Speaker 7: the dark apparently because Greg Hunt didn't publish this advice
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Speaker 7: at the time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we do need a proper full royal commission,
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Speaker 3: if only to know how to hack, not even for
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Speaker 3: the blame game, just to know, although that would be
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Speaker 3: nice as well, a bit of the blame game, but
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Speaker 3: to know how we handle it the next time there
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Speaker 3: is a virus that comes out of a laboratory, a
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Speaker 3: laboratory somewhere, because undoubtedly, at some point in the next
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Speaker 3: twenty years, years, next century that is going to happen.
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Speaker 3: We're going to face the same questions again and we
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Speaker 3: won't know how to handle it. Now, very quickly, before
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Speaker 3: we go, I want to play you this quite amazing
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Speaker 3: comment from United States Senator Lindsey Graham today.
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Speaker 10: Have a look, So, Israel's been hit in the last
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Speaker 10: few weeks by Iran hesblah and a mass dedicated to
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Speaker 10: their destruction, and you're telling me you're going to tell
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Speaker 10: them how to fight the war and what they can
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Speaker 10: and can't use when everybody around them wants to kill
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Speaker 10: all the Jews.
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Speaker 11: And you're telling me that if we withhole weapons in
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Speaker 11: this fight, the existential fight for the life of the
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Speaker 11: Jewish state, it won't send the wrong signal. Do you
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Speaker 11: still think it was a good idea General Austin to
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Speaker 11: get out of Afghanistan?
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Speaker 3: Nick Kita, what do you think of this move by
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden to effectively withhold weapons from Israel when it's
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Speaker 3: fighting a war, As Lindsay Graham says, on three fronts.
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Speaker 8: I think this is shocking. I think it's troubling.
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Speaker 2: Shari.
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Speaker 8: Israel is involved with a war that is not of
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Speaker 8: its making. It is descending its territory. It's defending its
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Speaker 8: people against the kind of attack we saw back in October.
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Speaker 8: We know Hamasa said they will do it again. That
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Speaker 8: was just a prelude. They have to get rid of
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Speaker 8: Hamas and that means going in with full forth right
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Speaker 8: now and getting the job done. I think for America
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Speaker 8: to back off at this stage is deeply, deeply troubling.
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Speaker 8: You expect the free the leader of the free world,
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Speaker 8: and through what's called the President of the United States,
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Speaker 8: to take a firm stand when it comes to civilization
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Speaker 8: versus barbarism. And that's what we're seeing in Israel Gaza,
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Speaker 8: and it's why we have to give Israel all the
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Speaker 8: help it needs to finish the job.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if anyone hasn't read this yet, I highly
20:51
Speaker 3: recommend reading the Wall Street Journal's editorial on this.
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Speaker 1: It's currently on The Australian's website.
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Speaker 3: It is simply Matt just very quickly before we go
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Speaker 3: to Mother's Day this weekend, Happy Mother's Day to all
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Speaker 3: the mums out there. We're starting to see schools, including
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Speaker 3: the Hunter Valley Grammar School, encouraging students to celebrate everyone,
21:14
Speaker 3: not just mothers.
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Speaker 1: What do you think of this woke ideology?
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Speaker 2: Well, of course I'm not a mum, shahi, but.
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Speaker 3: That's lucky, and you do have to declare that because
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Speaker 3: not everyone knows these days.
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Speaker 2: I've been playing mum this week.
21:31
Speaker 7: My wife's away and TASMANI visiting his sister, and man,
21:34
Speaker 7: it's so hard. It is so hard juggling these kids.
21:37
Speaker 7: They're great kids, but it's a much harder than my
21:40
Speaker 7: job as a soundar.
21:41
Speaker 2: So I just always so grateful to my wife what
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Speaker 2: she does.
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Speaker 7: But there's something very uniquely human about being a mum,
21:48
Speaker 7: Like It'm not lying and I don't know, but rearing
21:51
Speaker 7: a child, bringing him to life over nine months inside you,
21:54
Speaker 7: there's something really special about that that.
21:56
Speaker 2: We should have a word for. We should have maybe
21:58
Speaker 2: a day.
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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, we now have a month for
22:01
Speaker 7: we now have a month for gay pride, but mums
22:04
Speaker 7: just get one day.
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Speaker 1: Let's keep it a month would be a good idea.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan Nikkita, thank you both so much for your time.
22:11
Speaker 3: Now coming up Nazi salutes and Hitler impersonations. We're going
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Speaker 3: to speak to a student who was at that meeting
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Speaker 3: at A and U last night. Also, Beijing accuses us
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Speaker 3: of being spies despite targeting.
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Speaker 1: Our navy personnel.
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Speaker 3: Our pilot's Shadow Defense Minister Andrew.
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Speaker 1: Hasty would join meet to discuss Welcome back Will.
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Speaker 3: Let's now turn to the escalating tensions between Canberra and
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Speaker 3: Beijing over the dangerous helicopter near clash.
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Speaker 1: In the Yellow Sea.
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Speaker 3: The Chinese Defense ministry is now pushing the narrative that
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Speaker 3: our Seahawk helicopter was spying on their navy exercises, and
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Speaker 3: they say this is why their fighter jets the flares.
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Speaker 3: Now Prime Minister Anthony Alberinezi has said that the Australian
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Speaker 3: chopper was just conducting legitimate peaceful activity.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 10: This action by China was unprofessional and unacceptable.
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Speaker 12: We've made that very very clear.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now, Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty, Andrew, great
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Speaker 3: to see you again. Look, Anthony Alberanizi says, he says
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Speaker 3: he's made his disapproval very very clear, and yet we
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Speaker 3: still don't have any information and it appears that none
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Speaker 3: of his ministers have actually spoken to their Chinese counterparts.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Cherry.
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Speaker 13: We yet to hear from the Prime Minister that the
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Speaker 13: Defense Minister, Richard Miles has raised this, or Penny Wong,
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Speaker 13: the Foreign Minister has raised this. He hasn't raised it himself,
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Speaker 13: and I think this is at the point where it
23:53
Speaker 13: has to be raised at the ministerial level, if not
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Speaker 13: by the Prime Minister himself, he should pick up the
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Speaker 13: phone and put the call through to Presidency, even if
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Speaker 13: the phone is not picked up. He's done that on
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Speaker 13: behalf of our uniform personnel and that's a really important
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Speaker 13: signal he sends them. It sends a signal that he's
24:09
Speaker 13: got their back in moments like this. Because I agree
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Speaker 13: wholeheartedly with what the CDF said today the actions of
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Speaker 13: the Chinese were illegal, coercive, aggressive and deceptive. Deceptive because
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Speaker 13: the Chinese government is giving us a master class at
24:24
Speaker 13: the moment in gas lighting, flipping the tables and accusing
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Speaker 13: us of spying.
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Speaker 3: Andrew, I think this is something that not a lot
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Speaker 3: of people have covered.
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Speaker 1: You were in the es so in the Sas. You
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Speaker 1: know what it's like to fight for your country.
24:41
Speaker 3: What do you think that Australia's armed personnel would be
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Speaker 3: feeling now when they go out and put their lives
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Speaker 3: on the line, and they don't do so knowing that
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Speaker 3: if there's an incident, because there's now been two there
24:56
Speaker 3: was that incident last year with the sonar attack, that
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Speaker 3: if there's an incident, the Prime Minister is incapable of
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Speaker 3: calling the President she and defending them.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 13: I think in Australia, as with other democracies, we have
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Speaker 13: civilian control of the military. So our ministers are Prime
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Speaker 13: Minister and our Defense Minister are the leaders of the ADF.
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Speaker 13: And so when that happens to our personnel with the
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Speaker 13: divers as you mentioned, and with our aircrew with the
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Speaker 13: Seahawk I reckon, they'd expect our leaders to stand up
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Speaker 13: for them, particularly with this sort of coercive bullying behavior
25:29
Speaker 13: that we're seeing from the Chinese military. The fact that
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Speaker 13: hasn't happened, I think sends a bad signal to our ADF.
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Speaker 13: And I can tell you now, Peter Dutton, if he
25:37
Speaker 13: was our Prime minister, he'd be picking up the phone
25:39
Speaker 13: because he's not a guy you push around.
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Speaker 12: And I think that's the key message here.
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Speaker 13: We're seeing weakness from this government, particularly the Prime Minister
25:45
Speaker 13: and the Defense minister.
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Speaker 3: Now you're a shadow defense minister, so I just want
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Speaker 3: to ask you about this story that I.
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Speaker 1: Spoke about it a moment ago.
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Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal has said that Joe Biden denying
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Speaker 3: its arms are denying bombs to Israel is basically an
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Speaker 3: invitation to Israel's enemies like Iran, to take advantage not
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Speaker 3: only in hostage talks, but also on the battlefield.
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Speaker 1: What do you think about this.
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Speaker 13: Look, I think the single objective is the defeat and
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Speaker 13: the destruction of Hamas. This war has to end, and
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Speaker 13: it only ends when Hamas is destroyed, both as a
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Speaker 13: military and a political force. And if that's the objective,
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Speaker 13: then Israel and its allies must be doing everything they
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Speaker 13: can to reach that objective so this war can end
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Speaker 13: and we can enter into negotiations for a peaceful settlement.
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Speaker 13: And my fear is that this moved by the US
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Speaker 13: government slows that process down. It slows the march towards
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Speaker 13: the defeat of Hamas. And that's why, on the face
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Speaker 13: of it, this is a very problematic decision.
26:47
Speaker 3: It also could leave Israel in a very vulnerable position
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Speaker 3: if Iran, if Hesbilah, if Hamas decides to seize on
26:56
Speaker 3: this moment to attack Israel, and you know what if
26:59
Speaker 3: it doesn't have enough arms to defend its people, I
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Speaker 3: mean it has. Israel has come under attack, and it
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Speaker 3: feels like Joe Biden keeps forgetting that.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Albaneze government yes, sorry, go ahead, no, no,
27:14
Speaker 1: you finished, sheriff.
27:16
Speaker 3: The Albanize government is now deciding which way to vote
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Speaker 3: on tomorrow's United Nations resolution on whether to admit Palestine
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Speaker 3: as a full member state.
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Speaker 1: Of the UN.
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Speaker 3: You know again, they haven't made up the mind. The
27:32
Speaker 3: best outcome would be Australia abstaining from this vote.
27:35
Speaker 1: But they could support it.
27:36
Speaker 3: They absolutely could, I know that for a fact, spoken
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Speaker 3: to people this afternoon. As of this afternoon, they still
27:43
Speaker 3: were deciding. The Prime Minister hadn't yet made up his mind.
27:46
Speaker 3: They had concerns about a couple of clauses in the
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Speaker 3: draft that was it.
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Speaker 1: So we could very well see them support it. But
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Speaker 1: you know again, this would be rewarding her.
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Speaker 3: Mus for the terror attack, with the slaughter of entire families,
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Speaker 3: for the rape and execution of young women.
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Speaker 1: What do you think?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I agree, Charry. It's as simple as that. This
28:09
Speaker 12: is a time for strength, not weakness.
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Speaker 13: And in the face of evil, you've actually got to
28:14
Speaker 13: stand up for good and push back. And Israel at
28:17
Speaker 13: the moment is under attack from Hamas hezblah Iran. And
28:21
Speaker 13: if we show weakness, if the free world shows weakness here,
28:25
Speaker 13: it only emboldens them and incentivizes them to do more
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Speaker 13: of this evil terrorism.
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Speaker 12: So it's pretty.
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Speaker 13: Clear, and I think every vote that we cast in
28:34
Speaker 13: the UN, every decision we make, must be about defeating
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Speaker 13: Hamas and terrorism and upholding other democratic allies like Israel.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you do get into government at the
28:47
Speaker 3: next election, if the coalition does win, I mean it's
28:51
Speaker 3: a big ask. But if that happens, how difficult do
28:54
Speaker 3: you think it would be to undo so much of
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Speaker 3: this foreign policy, whether it's on China or on Israel
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Speaker 3: that has changed under Penny Wong.
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Speaker 13: I'm a big believe in the power of leadership, and
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Speaker 13: all you need is good leadership at the head of
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Speaker 13: this country. Right now, we don't have good leadership under
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Speaker 13: Peter Dutton. I'm sure we will, and I'll be doing
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Speaker 13: everything i can as a member of his cabinet if
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Speaker 13: we win government to write the course and to make
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Speaker 13: decisions they're in the interests of our country, the free world,
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Speaker 13: and our.
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Speaker 3: Allies, and at the moment they seem to be forgetting
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Speaker 3: who our allies and who our enemies are.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 13: Andrew Hasty, I think they're captive.
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Speaker 12: Yes, yes, chreck, thank you, no, go ahead.
29:38
Speaker 1: Do you think they're captive?
29:39
Speaker 13: I was just going to say, I think I think
29:42
Speaker 13: this labor government is captive to domestic political concerns and
29:45
Speaker 13: they're sacrificing Australian interests on that altar.
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Speaker 12: And that's not good for this country at all. And
29:51
Speaker 12: we'll fix.
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Speaker 1: That indeed, Andrew Hasty, thank you so much for joining me.
29:55
Speaker 3: Now, as we discussed earlier, the Australian National University is
29:58
Speaker 3: now investigated an incident that allegedly occurred at one of
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Speaker 3: the student agm meetings last night.
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Speaker 1: In the meeting, one student appears to be seen.
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Speaker 3: Performing the Nazi salute you can see it there now,
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Speaker 3: and in another a student appears to impersonate a Hitler mustache.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is highly concerning.
30:22
Speaker 3: As I spoke about at the start of the show,
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Speaker 3: We've put questions to A and you about this. Today
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Speaker 3: they say they're investigating it and will take swift action
30:30
Speaker 3: if it's proved now. The A and U Student and
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Speaker 3: Australasian Union of Jewish Students ACT CO president Maya Grinberg was.
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Speaker 1: At that meeting. She was part of it, and she
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Speaker 1: joins me now.
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Speaker 3: Maya, thank you so much for your time and for
30:44
Speaker 3: your courage in coming on the show and speaking out
30:48
Speaker 3: because it has not been a safe place at A
30:52
Speaker 3: and U for Jewish students. Can you tell us some
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Speaker 3: about what you've been facing on campus?
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Speaker 15: Hi Shari, thank you for having me so on campus.
31:03
Speaker 15: Over the past six months. The situation at A ANDU
31:06
Speaker 15: and across universities in Australia has just been getting.
31:09
Speaker 1: Progressively worse and worse.
31:11
Speaker 15: Last Monday, students for Justice Palestine in Canberra started an
31:16
Speaker 15: encampment at the Australian National University right in the center
31:20
Speaker 15: of the university, so on Canberra lawns, where on one
31:23
Speaker 15: side you have a massive building where they have classes
31:28
Speaker 15: every single day. There are lots of teaching rooms in there.
31:30
Speaker 15: On the other side you have a student accommodation and
31:33
Speaker 15: all around you have cafes on the lawns. Right there,
31:36
Speaker 15: they've started an encampment where every single day they protest
31:39
Speaker 15: and they call for the support of Humas and they
31:43
Speaker 15: and the end to Israel.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just such a hard environment to be in.
31:48
Speaker 3: But you know, last night, I understand that it escalated
31:51
Speaker 3: what happened on that student Zoom meeting. And I understand
31:55
Speaker 3: that you were actually putting forward motions about the rise
31:58
Speaker 3: in anti Semitism and about protecting Jewish students on campus.
32:05
Speaker 15: Yes, so last night we had the a New Students
32:08
Speaker 15: Association's agm and in that agm, our Secretary Jazz put
32:14
Speaker 15: forward a motion which was about students, Jewish students feeling
32:18
Speaker 15: the right to belong at university. And the motion included
32:24
Speaker 15: condemning HUMUS, It included the progressive notions of a true
32:28
Speaker 15: state solution, and it included practical ways to make Jewish
32:33
Speaker 15: students feel welcome and safe on campus. And unfortunately, this
32:39
Speaker 15: motion was completely torn apart, and it was it was
32:43
Speaker 15: left in a state which Jewish students could no longer
32:46
Speaker 15: support the motion.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I saw I read today, you know what happened.
32:52
Speaker 3: I read the minutes of the meeting on how all
32:55
Speaker 3: those points were struck out. You know, they wan't a
32:58
Speaker 3: one state solution. It seems it's it's completely bizarre. But
33:02
Speaker 3: then what happened with these students allegedly you know what
33:06
Speaker 3: appears to be doing the Nazi salute and and you
33:09
Speaker 3: know one of the other students, as we saw there,
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Speaker 3: they appeared to have their finger as a mustache in
33:15
Speaker 3: a reference to hit like it.
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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about how that unfolded.
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Speaker 15: It's it's actually quite shocking to have witnessed that last night.
33:27
Speaker 1: So as as we.
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Speaker 15: Were presenting our motion, and there were there was an
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Speaker 15: amendment to the motion which essentially stripped down the motion
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Speaker 15: to just include the phrases Jewish students should feel safe
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Speaker 15: on campus. It took away the part that condemns Hermas
33:44
Speaker 15: including in that.
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Speaker 1: And as as as this debate.
33:48
Speaker 15: Was going on, there were there were individuals who were
33:52
Speaker 15: on the zoom call who were making these motions which
33:56
Speaker 15: seemed very clear to myself. However, of course they has
33:59
Speaker 15: to have to be investigate. And the Jewish students were
34:02
Speaker 15: watching this and were absolutely shocked and terrified that this
34:05
Speaker 15: could be going on within their own university, and it
34:08
Speaker 15: just it really speaks to me about how as a
34:12
Speaker 15: society we really have to look into Holocaust education and
34:15
Speaker 15: understand how these university students who are seeking tertiary degrees,
34:20
Speaker 15: how they can be so ignorant as to threaten us
34:24
Speaker 15: in this way.
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Speaker 3: So well said, and you know it shows that this
34:29
Speaker 3: isn't about the Palestinian cause. This is about Jewish people
34:33
Speaker 3: and not wanting Jewish people to even be on campus
34:37
Speaker 3: or exist. Now I understand you've written a letter to
34:40
Speaker 3: the Vice chancellor. What did you write about and have
34:44
Speaker 3: you received any support?
34:48
Speaker 15: Yes, So throughout the past six months, we started writing
34:52
Speaker 15: letters during October after October seventh occurred. The tragedy of
34:57
Speaker 15: it all really impacted on students and we have since
35:01
Speaker 15: as all just our members as well. They've written letters
35:04
Speaker 15: to the Vice chancellor and these letters have always been
35:08
Speaker 15: delegated down and someone, some staff member in the university
35:11
Speaker 15: has been assigned to talk to us, and whilst they've
35:13
Speaker 15: been useful, we would really appreciate the opportunity to talk
35:16
Speaker 15: to the Vice chancellor. Unfortunately we haven't been given that
35:19
Speaker 15: opportunity and we haven't heard directly from the Vice Chancellor.
35:22
Speaker 15: But we're getting to the point now where real action
35:24
Speaker 15: has to be taken by the senior leadership at the
35:27
Speaker 15: university because students don't feel safe, they don't feel that
35:30
Speaker 15: they can go to class without the risk of being
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Speaker 15: harassed or being targeted for their culture and their identity.
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Speaker 1: Maya, how old are you?
35:41
Speaker 15: I'm twenty years old.
35:42
Speaker 3: I feel so sad that you, as a twenty year old,
35:45
Speaker 3: are on the front line of this anti Semitism crisis
35:48
Speaker 3: that we're all facing in Australia, but that you and
35:51
Speaker 3: your friends and you know your colleagues, the young Australians
35:55
Speaker 3: right around the country.
35:56
Speaker 1: Have to deal with this day and day out. It's
35:58
Speaker 1: not good enough.
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Speaker 3: Chancellors, the vice chancellors are political leaders need to be stronger.
36:04
Speaker 3: I'm sure everyone watching this tonight would be thinking how incredibly.
36:08
Speaker 1: Articulate you are. Thank you for coming on the show.
36:11
Speaker 3: Amazing bravery and courage and I really hope you don't
36:16
Speaker 3: have YOUHP don't have to deal with harassment as a
36:18
Speaker 3: result of speaking publicly and coming on Sky News.
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Speaker 1: Maya Grinberg, thank you very much.
36:25
Speaker 15: Thank you.
36:27
Speaker 3: Now coming up, domestic violence still on a bumpy road
36:31
Speaker 3: to change, with new Southeg's Parliament now set to introduce
36:34
Speaker 3: some new legislation and the government readying for another critical
36:38
Speaker 3: High Court decision that could see even more detainees released.
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned would talk about this with tonight's political panel after.
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Speaker 1: The breaking.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back with reports today that a man has been
36:54
Speaker 3: charged accused of stabbing a woman in the neck, head
36:57
Speaker 3: and back at a Sydney gym in what is alleged
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Speaker 3: another horrendous.
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Speaker 1: Case of domestic violence.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in tonight's panel, Sky News contributor Jason Morrison
37:06
Speaker 3: and The Australian's.
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Speaker 1: National Affairs editor Joe Kelly. Welcome to you both now.
37:12
Speaker 3: Jason, just this afternoon, this man has been charged, so
37:15
Speaker 3: we have to be careful about what we can say here,
37:17
Speaker 3: but we know that there are a number of proposed
37:20
Speaker 3: changes to New South Wales Parliament that the Premieer is
37:23
Speaker 3: looking at. The clear problem that we've been speaking about
37:27
Speaker 3: is that so many of these cases happen when the
37:30
Speaker 3: offenders are out on bail, and that's where urgent changes needed.
37:36
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
37:38
Speaker 16: The judicial system is conditioned to consider bail.
37:42
Speaker 14: Almost on just about everything.
37:44
Speaker 12: I mean, you'd be amazed.
37:45
Speaker 14: What people get bailed for, and until you spend a
37:47
Speaker 14: day in court, you just don't realize how much it
37:50
Speaker 14: is handed out and around, and the argument always that
37:52
Speaker 14: comes back is, oh, we wouldn't have jails big enough
37:54
Speaker 14: to house these people.
37:55
Speaker 1: Well, there's part of your problem. Build more jalous. If
37:58
Speaker 1: we have the problem, build more facilities to it.
38:01
Speaker 12: But there's another thing we kid ourselves.
38:02
Speaker 14: Now again we're speaking generally here, but anyone who does
38:05
Speaker 14: a Google search can join the dots. We talk about
38:07
Speaker 14: these things like intensive corrections orders. Now, intensive correction order
38:12
Speaker 14: sounds sounds like hot stuff.
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Speaker 15: It's crap.
38:14
Speaker 14: It's home detention. Home detention is dished out to people.
38:18
Speaker 14: You can't give someone who is a serial repeat offender
38:22
Speaker 14: for a particular crime, particularly this one, an intensive correction
38:26
Speaker 14: order a home detention. It doesn't work, it doesn't send
38:29
Speaker 14: the message. So bails our problem and stupid judicial decisions.
38:33
Speaker 14: And we can spend as much time as possible looking
38:36
Speaker 14: for ways to socially change and to tilt the way
38:38
Speaker 14: men think and all this kind of stuff, or we
38:40
Speaker 14: can actually punish the perpetrators.
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Speaker 1: And that's where we fail exactly.
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Speaker 3: Joe Kelly, so often in the national debate, you know
38:49
Speaker 3: all manner to blame, when in fact, you know the
38:52
Speaker 3: justice system knows well who the repeat offenders are.
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Speaker 1: And it's those people who you know.
38:58
Speaker 3: You think shouldn't be given the presumption of bail. They
39:02
Speaker 3: shouldn't be given the presumption of innocence. If you've violently
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Speaker 3: beat a woman so many times, why would you be
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Speaker 3: let out on bail only to reoffend.
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Speaker 1: And this is what we're seeing is happening in many
39:15
Speaker 1: of the cases. And yet we haven't heard the Prime
39:17
Speaker 1: Minister speak about that.
39:18
Speaker 3: We hear him speaking about fixing online misogyny, we hear
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Speaker 3: him speaking about social media companies.
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Speaker 4: What do you think, oh, Sherry, I think there's no
39:29
Speaker 4: doubt that public safety and law and order has become
39:34
Speaker 4: a huge political issue, and what people want to see
39:37
Speaker 4: is leadership and that means action, doesn't necessarily mean talking
39:44
Speaker 4: and using this as a political issue to make all
39:48
Speaker 4: the right gestures. People want to see outcomes, and we've
39:53
Speaker 4: seen this recently. We ran a poll the other day
39:55
Speaker 4: by SEC Newgate was a Mood of the Nation survey
39:58
Speaker 4: which showed that in the last two months, the number
40:01
Speaker 4: of people saying that law and order and public safety
40:04
Speaker 4: was important had doubled, but doubled in two months. Sixty
40:07
Speaker 4: one percent of people nominating as one of the key
40:10
Speaker 4: issues so I agree with Jason. We need concrete steps,
40:15
Speaker 4: concrete action. The leadership needs to happen not just at
40:18
Speaker 4: the political level, but leadership within the legal system as well.
40:23
Speaker 4: So it's a two pronged issue, with leadership needed from
40:27
Speaker 4: both our politicians and the judicial system as well.
40:30
Speaker 12: Sharing So you know, I look at this.
40:33
Speaker 14: Actually it's not a popular thing to say on this front.
40:35
Speaker 14: I actually think he's got nothing to do with Albanisi.
40:38
Speaker 14: I mean, the problem is at state level here.
40:40
Speaker 3: No, of course, but he is speaking about this issue.
40:43
Speaker 3: He's trying to own it. Police an election premise. Who
40:46
Speaker 3: is going to end generational domestic violence? He called the
40:49
Speaker 3: National Cabinet of all the premiers last week. Of course,
40:52
Speaker 3: bail is a state by state issue. But he could
40:54
Speaker 3: have said, well, let's put this on the table, go
40:57
Speaker 3: back and implement tough laws, Paul Marray.
40:59
Speaker 1: Said, which is similar to what with gun laws.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I'll just point out that I think, and this
41:06
Speaker 4: was the point I made last week that the commitment
41:09
Speaker 4: from Anthony Albanesi, the position of the Federal Labor government
41:14
Speaker 4: is to end violence against women and children within a generation.
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Speaker 4: That's the commitment now that I think is a very
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Speaker 4: difficult thing to do, but that's the goal he set,
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Speaker 4: so he needs to be judged by it and he's
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Speaker 4: going to need to do more than what we saw
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Speaker 4: out of that special Emergency National Cabinet meeting. If that
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Speaker 4: goal is to be.
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Speaker 16: It, you won't change a thing until you change judicial attitudes,
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Speaker 16: until we change the way the legal fraternity and their
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Speaker 16: brothers in the on the bench actually come to terms with.
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Speaker 3: You can set the Premier can set minimum sentences for
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Speaker 3: certain quints.
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Speaker 2: We can, and they won't.
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Speaker 1: They won't do it.
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Speaker 2: It's against the DNA of labor.
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Speaker 16: It's unfortunately against the DNA of people on Liberal party.
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Speaker 14: They will not do minimum sentences. They're cowardly on this front.
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Speaker 14: And it's all over the political spectrum and yet you
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Speaker 14: know its.
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Speaker 1: Crisis like should we do eat it? But they won't
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Speaker 1: do it.
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Speaker 8: They will neither side will do it.
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Speaker 14: They've done it once in Australian history, I believe in
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Speaker 14: the Northern Territory, and the political class in Canberra caved
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Speaker 14: on it and thought it was a disastrousy to do it.
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Speaker 16: Unpicked it.
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Speaker 14: We talk about these as we're let down consistently by
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Speaker 14: the good old boys, the legal fraternity and the judiciary,
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Speaker 14: and this time in the major political parties.
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Speaker 3: All right, Tomorrow the High Court will deliver its judgment
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Speaker 3: in the case of an Iranian man who's refused to
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Speaker 3: cooperate with his deportation. He claims it would be unsafe
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Speaker 3: for him to return home. Now, this ruling could pave
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Speaker 3: the way for the release of another one hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy immigration detainees into the community. Joe, this could yet
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Speaker 3: again be another scandal for the Albanese government.
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Speaker 4: Well, Sherry, you'd hope that the government at this time
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Speaker 4: has prepared some contingency plans in the event that they
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Speaker 4: lose this case in the High Court. Now, obviously most people,
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Speaker 4: nearly everyone, I hope, would be expecting or hoping the
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Speaker 4: government to win this case. But this was the problem
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Speaker 4: last year when we had that landmark decision by the
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Speaker 4: High Court in NZBYQ. Now, that was a complete game changer,
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Speaker 4: that just shot a whole through the entire immigration detention framework.
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Speaker 4: I think that would have been difficult for any government
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Speaker 4: to respond to.
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Speaker 1: But I think.
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Speaker 4: Labor has made nearly every wrong step it could have
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Speaker 4: since then. And the stunning thing is the complete lack
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Speaker 4: of accountability the establishment of this Community Protection Safety Board,
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Speaker 4: which is clearly meant as a shield to protect the
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Speaker 4: government from various decisions relating to these detainees, and we're
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Speaker 4: seeing more and more of them fall through the cracks.
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Speaker 4: The great danger, of course, is that we get about
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Speaker 4: two hundred more of these dangerous non citizens released into
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Speaker 4: the community, and that will just be double the trouble
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Speaker 4: for the government.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and put community safety at risk. But you know,
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Speaker 3: Joe ment mentions that community safety bod community protection BOD.
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Speaker 1: Well, in fact, they don't make the decision, Jason.
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Speaker 3: They give the recommendation to the government, and the government
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Speaker 3: makes the decision. And you've got Andrew Giles, the Immigration
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Speaker 3: minister who used to be a refugee advocacy.
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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, yeah, he's in the club. This is the
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Speaker 14: classic case of people doing this. It's not my fault,
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Speaker 14: it's his Fault's their faults. Therefore, and Prime Minister, and
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Speaker 14: indeed the act former activist immigration minister, he's the same thing.
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Speaker 14: They are never responsible for these things, yet they are,
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Speaker 14: I mean the old phrase the buck stops, the buck
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Speaker 14: has stopped. It is sitting on their shoulders and they
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Speaker 14: just keep pointing at everyone else. Don't blame us, it
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Speaker 14: was the courts. Don't blame us, it was the dpeper.
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Speaker 14: Don't blame us, it was the board. It's never their fault.
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Speaker 14: Then where's this stop? And that's the problem. I have
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Speaker 14: trouble with the language because we keep calling these people
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Speaker 14: immigration detainees. They're not their garbage, their criminals, their drug dealers, traffickers, rapists.
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Speaker 14: They are pieces of you know what, and we put
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Speaker 14: them in the same category as you know, young men
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Speaker 14: who jump on boats to get a better life in
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Speaker 14: another country. They're not the same. They are absolute garbage.
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Speaker 14: They shouldn't be here. And if they if those blokes,
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Speaker 14: the Prime Minister and the Immigration Minister, the activists both
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Speaker 14: had a commitment to doing the best thing for Australia,
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Speaker 14: they would get rid of them.
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Speaker 16: And there's no motivation to do that, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, Jason Morrison, Joe Kelly, thank you both for joining
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Speaker 3: me tonight. Now after the break, budget sneak pick predicts
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Speaker 3: higher wages and tax breaks.
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Speaker 1: All the details next with Warren Hogan. Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: On Tuesday, Jim Chalmers will deliver his second full year budget.
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Speaker 3: Now we already know there's going to be some cost
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Speaker 3: of living relief, but the Treasurer promises that the budget
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Speaker 3: isn't going to have an impact on inflation. I'm Joe
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Speaker 3: now by Judo Bank chief economist Warren Hogan. Warren, do
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Speaker 3: you think that's possible if the Stage three tax cuts
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Speaker 3: are going to take effect from the first of July
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Speaker 3: this year, do you think that the budget will be
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Speaker 3: austere enough not to impact on inflation.
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Speaker 6: I am very worried that they're actually going to be
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Speaker 6: spending quite a bit of money and putting a lot
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Speaker 6: of extra money into the economy on top of those
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Speaker 6: very generous tax cuts which are coming on one July.
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Speaker 6: So this is I think the real focus for all
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Speaker 6: of us thinking about what kind of pressure that will
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Speaker 6: put on inflation, and of course if it's going to
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Speaker 6: put upward pressure on interest rates. We now know that
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Speaker 6: the RBA is very close to raising rates. I think
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Speaker 6: the other thing next week is they're going to be
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Speaker 6: talking about their Grand Plan, their vision for the next
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Speaker 6: term of government, which is going to be should be
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Speaker 6: welcomed that we know what they're thinking. But as it's
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Speaker 6: shaping up this future made in Australia, it's looking like
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Speaker 6: a lot of government intervention, which will also involve a
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Speaker 6: lot of government spending down the track.
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Speaker 3: Now, the figures late last year and early this year
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Speaker 3: it indicated that the inflation fight was on a better
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Speaker 3: track than we know it now is the economic forecast
47:14
Speaker 3: was looking stronger. So when the treasure would have been
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Speaker 3: preparing the bulk of his budget, you know, he would
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Speaker 3: have had a rosier picture of the economy.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that's going to have an impact.
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Speaker 6: It's going to be really interesting to see, actually, because
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Speaker 6: the treasurer was really positioning the economy is slowing, that
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Speaker 6: the emphasis is not just cost of living and inflation
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Speaker 6: and growth, but really what we've seen in the last
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Speaker 6: month is a stronger economy than what we thought, creating jobs,
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Speaker 6: higher inflation than what we thought, and of course this
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Speaker 6: risk that the RBA might have to raise rates further,
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Speaker 6: and really that should have been a handbrake on any
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Speaker 6: new spending. But the treasure has been out on the
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Speaker 6: front foot this week and talking a lot about the
47:55
Speaker 6: importance of supporting households and cost of living. So I
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Speaker 6: actually think they're going to be doing quite a bit
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Speaker 6: next week, and it's going to put the RBA in
48:03
Speaker 6: quite a difficult position. We have to wait and see.
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Speaker 6: Of course, they might have some offsetting measures, but it
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Speaker 6: looks like we should get set for quite a few
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Speaker 6: big announcements on top of those tax breaks such as
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Speaker 6: red assistants such as energy rebates, which I think is
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Speaker 6: just new money into the economy.
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Speaker 3: So Michelle Bullick making it very clear this week that
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Speaker 3: an interest rate hike is possible.
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Speaker 1: It is on the table, she said.
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Speaker 3: You know, all options are on the table depending on
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Speaker 3: where inflation goes, but she's very committed to keeping it
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Speaker 3: on track to reach the target bound of to three percent.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that if there is more spending in
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Speaker 3: this budget than there was in the last, this will
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Speaker 3: then become a political issue and the coalition will seek
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Speaker 3: to blame the government if there is an interest rate rights.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this, but this is such a.
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Speaker 1: She didn't realize the time.
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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. Thank you very much for joining me.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you Monday.
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