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IT CAME FROM SCREAMBOX: Black Christmas! · WASD and Beyond

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  Big move, big movie. Big movie.
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  Big movies. You ready to take the big plunge
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  into this episode? I am.
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  Alex Yeah, we got this. Cool.
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  Welcome back to the episode of the IT Came From Screen Box
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  series. You know what?
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  I almost did you. Were about to say.
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  It Oh boy, I. Dude.
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  Dude, Yeah, buddy. Two shows in unison now.
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  Welcome back to Screen BOX, everybody.
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  We're hosts. He's about to do it again.
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  No one here starts with the letter.
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  BI know. But he was going to say Nick and
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  and. Welcome back everybody to It
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  Came from Scream Box. We are your host Nick.
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  Now you guys got me in my own head.
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  We are Nick, Noah and Alex. Thank you Noah for helping me
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  get through the intro since I fucked it up three times, you
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  guys will never. Hear that It's cutting.
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  All of that, I'm cutting it out. No, you leave that in.
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  I leave it in. Oh fuck you, leave.
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  That in. You guys are like, yeah, you
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  stupid. You don't cut anything.
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  Yeah, you dummy. Thank you all for joining us
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  this week. It is almost Christmas time, but
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  before we get into the Christmas movie of the week, we got some
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  today or you want us to watch a movie of your choice or
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  well. That is WASD and beyond and roll
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  for deception along with your very true and awesome guys.
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  And it came from screen box. Now this was Noah's pick, so I'm
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  gonna let Noah take over right now because apparently I can't
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  speak tonight. I'm yeah, we're wresting control
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  from you this week. I picked 1974's Black Christmas.
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  I got a bit of there's a bit of story here.
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  This is this one was unknown to me, but Alex mentioned it's like
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  a staple for you and Nick. You had already seen this a few
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  times. Oh yeah, this is definitely a
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  staple movie. So some of this information will
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  kind of talk about a little bit of the movie.
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  Spoiler warning, you should go watch this.
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  It's absolutely worth your time. But we can get into it here.
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  So Black Christmas is a Canadian slasher film produced and
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  directed by Bob Clark, written by Roy Moore.
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  Bob Clark is a American director, however, he was
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  approached by the Canadian Film Development Corporation to
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  produce this movie in Canada. The movie's inspired by an urban
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  legend of young babysitters being brutally assaulted and
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  murdered in the Midwest in the early 60s, and the rumor is
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  based on some real crimes, including one of a 13 year old
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  girl who was sexually assaulted by an unknown suspect.
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  Another incident involved a babysitter who was unnerved by a
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  life-size statue of a clown that she found in the home of the
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  family she was hired by. When she called the parents to
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  ask if she could cover the statue with the blanket, the
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  parent informed her that they owned no such statue and it
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  turned out to be a murderer with dwarfism dressed in a clown
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  costume. What?
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  Make that. Fucking movie.
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  Now that it's, it's sort of unclear which of these versions
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  of the story is true. However, there's some more
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  versions, like one in which the babysitter rescues kids from the
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  attacker, and then the attacker is caught by the police, the
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  babysitter managing to fight off and even kill the intruder,
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  saving the kids. One where the babysitter is
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  killed but the kids survive. Another one where the kids turn
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  out to be pulling a prank on the babysitter and are told off by
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  the police when the plan falls apart, which is a little bit
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  like the one we watched last week.
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  Better watch out where it turned turned out to be the kids who
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  were in control. There's another option where the
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  police inform a family member after the fact that they found a
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  killer hiding under the kids bed holding a weapon.
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  This movie's cast is pretty stacked.
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  We got Olivia Hussey pussy. However you say that, who you
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  will recognize from 1968's Romeo and Juliet, Death on the Nile.
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  And she had a small role in the Star Wars The Old Republic.
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  Margot Kidder. Yeah, Margot Kidder, who is
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  famous for her roles as Lois Lane in 1978's Superman along
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  with its 1980 sequel, The Amityville Horror, Smallville
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  and Halloween 2. Oh yeah, Keir Dulay.
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  I don't really know how you say that guy's name, but you'd know
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  him from Fahrenheit 451, that Halo TV show from 2022 that
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  nobody liked, and the legendary astronaut turned intergalactic
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  star child David Bowman from Space Odyssey.
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  Yeah, buddy, we love. So there's also John Saxon from
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  Enter the Dragon and Nightmare on Elm Street and Andrea Martin
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  who if you were a kid who watched cartoons in the early
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  2000s, you will definitely recognize her voice because she
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  was Miss Foul. She also on a Jimmy Neutron.
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  She lent her voice to a number of different shows including Kim
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  Possible, American Dad, Recessed Cat Dog, The Simpsons, and
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  Sesame Street. Love that.
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  She also had some smaller roles in TV shows like 30 Rock, Nurse
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  Nurse Jackie and Modern Family. So big cast.
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  Big cast here. The budget for the movie is
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  about $686,000 as filmed in Toronto in 1973 and 74.
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  The screenplay was written under the title Stop Me and was
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  adjusted multiple times changing locations and plot points and
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  like I said, the title changed. Eventually, it was completed and
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  distributed as Silent Night, Evil Night in the US by Warner
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  Brothers in 1975. And then the film's name was
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  later renamed to Black Christmas.
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  And it's estimated that the movie made about $4 million,
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  making it some some somewhat of a success.
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  So with its cast, yeah, not, not bad.
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  The cast of young stars. The movie filmed for about two
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  months in Toronto. The Canadian Film Development
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  Corporation gave the team $200,000 to start out.
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  So that's where a fair chunk of the budget came from.
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  And that's a very common thing a lot of people don't know, but in
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  Canada they there was something of a mandate that Canadian made
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  productions be pushed harder than foreign made production.
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  So on like radio stations, they had like a quota that you had to
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  play a certain amount of Canadian music, which is why all
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  Canadians love Rush. So they gave, so they gave them
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  a bit of money to start out. The house that the movie
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  primarily takes place in is a large house around the corner
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  from the popular Casa Loma in Toronto, which if you don't know
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  what that is, it's essentially a normal Toronto like suburb
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  neighborhood. And then there's just a castle
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  there. And it's like a full on castle
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  with like towers and tall walls and a big courtyard and a spooky
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  dungeon pool in the basement. You can, you can just go and you
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  can just go and visit it. And if you go around the corner,
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  you can you can see the black Christmas house.
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  That's fucking awesome. Where where is this located in
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  relation to Detroit? How far from Detroit is this?
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  Toronto, it's four hours. OK, what we might, I can go back
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  to Canada. So you know if if the IT came
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  from screen box tour, the location tour can go
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  international, we can put that on our list.
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  I got an enhanced license. And I, I, I've been to Casa
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  Loma. I know where this is.
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  It is not it's it's, yeah, it's some somewhat close to where my
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  grandparents live. That's awesome.
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  So they have visited. We probably drove past the
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  house. You know, it's, it's on like a
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  main road there. There's not really much to
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  report about making the movie. The cast seem to have a good
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  time. The POV shots that are all over
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  the movie. We're done with a specially
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  designed head mounted camera rig so that the wearer would be able
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  to climb up a ladder or as we see like entering the window of
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  the house without having to do any extra camera tricks.
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  Could you imagine having like that?
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  Yeah. You could have like a George
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  corpse grinder neck on that man. Exactly because those cameras,
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  like I don't know how small you would have, were able to make
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  those things back in the day. And the smallest camera like
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  would have been like a super 8 or something.
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  I'm not really sure what camera they use, but it could have been
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  really heavy. It probably was really heavy,
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  yeah. Yeah, the score is provided by
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  Carl Zitter Zitterer, who used experimental ideas like tying
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  forks and other objects to the strings of the piano to distort
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  its sound. He also played some of the
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  sounds through an old phone and recorded that to create the
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  disturbing soundscape for the film.
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  In the weeks before the release, there was a hotline setup that
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  you could call and you would hear the sinister voice that we
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  hear throughout the movie on the other end of the phone.
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  That's cool as fuck. The hotline was set up by the
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  studio, but it crippled the studio's phone network and
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  received over 10,000 callers within the 1st 24 hours.
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  The The New York Telephone Company requested that the
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  promotional event be ended early.
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  Warner Brothers did as they asked, and they also cancelled
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  another promotional event where two women would walk the streets
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  of Manhattan in Santa suits, hanging handing out cards with
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  the same phone number on it. How cool would that have been?
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  It's like when we were in San Diego and that.
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  I don't know what movie that was, but they were just putting
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  shit in people's pockets and shit like that.
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  I think that was. I think that was for a game.
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  Whatever it was, that was sweet as fuck.
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  But it's that like guerrilla marketing stuff?
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  I love it. Exactly.
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  So there was a bit of a bit of a kerfuffle when they went to
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  release this movie for TV. The killer in the movie is
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  clearly based on some real world serial killers.
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  Two weeks before the the premiere of the TV version of
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  the film, which was then known as Stranger in the House, the
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  governor of Florida, Ruben Eskew called NBCTV to ask them to
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  delay the release for the southern states.
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  On January 28th of 1978, a gruesome double murder occurred
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  at the Florida State University campus in Tallahassee where a
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  man murdered 2 Chi Omega sisters while they were sleeping in
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  their beds. He then went next door to
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  another sorority house and attacked 2 more students who
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  survived and were able to identify their attacker as none
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  other than Ted Bundy. Not good.
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  So during the movie, Alex, you mentioned that the killer was
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  based on seemed to be based somewhat on Ted Bundy.
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  I said that as well. Yeah.
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  Oh, then Nick. Nick said that, so you know Ted.
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  Bundy gets his. Way into the story here.
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  Fun fact. Ted Bundy, of course.
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  Oh yeah. She was a nurse around the time
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  that Ted Bundy was doing the slayings.
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  Oh, yeah, her friend. Her friend was killed by Ted
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  Bundy. Oh my God.
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  Yes, that's my aunt Camille. Her her friend was killed by
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  him, Yes. Wow.
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  Well, he eventually, it's a very crispy story, but he was
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  eventually executed as we know for this and many other.
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  Burns, Bundy. Burn.
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  That's right, NBCTV offered an alternative to the movie for the
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  southern partners, realizing that the issue might hit a
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  little too close to home for the students and residents of
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  Tallahassee. Reviews overall were mixed.
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  In Canada, the reception was a little bit worse than it was in
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  the States. Critics thought the movie was
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  cliched and childish, and the script did not contain much
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  substance. This.
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  Is the I roll from Alex 31? Yeah, maybe it was just at the
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  time that they felt that, but when you watch it now, it it.
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  And as time went on the like, the later reviews are much
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  kinder, calling the movie innovative and praising the
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  actors who by that point had really established himself as
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  big names. Margot Kidder won Best
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  Performance by a Lead Actress at the Canadian Film Awards in 1975
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  for this role, and it also won Best Sound Editing at the same
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  award show. It's released on VHS in the 80s
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  and then DVD as long as a few theatrical releases for
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  anniversaries and has since developed a small cult
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  following. But it wasn't enough to keep it
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  coming back to theaters, so that eventually got all got canned.
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  But today it remains A cult classic of the holiday horror
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  movie genre, finding itself very comfortably on a lot of the best
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  horror movies of all time from publications like Indie Wire and
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  Bravo. A lot of people praised the
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  movie for having a bit of a feminist slant, showing off its
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  feminist or it's it's female protagonists and tackling some
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  Women's Health issues. Yeah.
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  So that's the business. You guys have seen it before.
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  What do you guys? Think who wants to go first
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  here, Alex? Go for it, Nick.
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  I've always liked Black Christmas, there's always a
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  super creepy movie to me. I haven't seen it in a long
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  time, but I used to watch it all the time, like Every Around
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  Christmas and especially when I had roommates like me and the
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  guys were just put on this. This movie especially and the
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  sound design in this movie is what always fucked me up.
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  That and the killer because you never really get a clear shot of
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  the killer. It's a lot of implications with
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  it. Those calls always fucked with
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  me. I hated when those.
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  I loved how the calls were done. I hated when they'd come through
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  because I hated that garbled mixture of different voices,
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  mixture of noises. You don't know what's going on,
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  but then you kind of have a clear shot of what's going on
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  and it's just so fucked and terrifying.
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  I hated it. I still, I hated it.
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  Watching it tonight, I was like, I fucking remember why I hate
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  this, but in a good way. In, in a good way.
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  I don't like it, but I love black Christmas.
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  I thought I've always thought this movie was really good.
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  I think the pacing is just great for this film.
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  The actors are crushing it every second they're on screen.
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  I I I love this movie and I just hope it remains this forever
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  right, just in its own bubble doing its own thing, getting new
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  viewers to see it. You know, being on screen box is
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  great for this movie. So yeah, I love I love Black
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  Christmas. Love it.
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  Yeah, it's a. Fucking solid horror flick even
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  year round, but it is a Christmas staple every year I
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  tend to watch it. There's there was some other
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  random shit I'm trying to remember it.
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  I'm not going to be able to remember fuck was it but.
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  You can do it bub. No, dude, it's it's.
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  Gone. He got some.
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  He's got his own fun facts. No, I'm trying to fucking
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  remember, God dammit. Was it nonetheless before the
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  dab that maybe you forgot, or after the dab?
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  No because I was trying to think about it during the movie too.
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  OK because Noah brought some stuff up very early on and but
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  no solid movie. Like Nick said, the actors crush
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  it in this fucking movie. They absolutely do.
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  And pretty violent, yeah. Yeah, it's.
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  Pretty fucking violent. There's like 4, how many kills
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  are there in it? Like there's 44.
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  Yeah, so like 4 kill. What about the girl?
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  4 Hark 5. Well, we don't.
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  We don't. See that?
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  But we don't see that but. Also did he do it?
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  I see. I don't know.
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  I think he's. Been in the house the entire
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  night though. Well, there's also the cut.
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  The cop gets killed, but we don't see that.
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  So I think it is the same killer doing all of it.
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  Yeah. But this movie does like a
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  really good job of like the setup it it's leading you down
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  one path and then there's like A twist.
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  But it's one of those things where even at the end it's it's
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  kind of unclear who the killer is because the whole time the
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  movie setting up that you're supposed to think it's Peter,
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  that he's the killer, which like there's some things that
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  happened, like the the person on the other end of the phone says
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  something that Peter said I'd that it wouldn't make sense for
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  another person to have been there to hear that.
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  Yeah, 'cause it was such a private thing.
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  Yeah, yeah. And it's like, OK, so who is?
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  It has to be Peter. Like I'm in.
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  Your walls. I'm in your walls.
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  I'm in your walls. Dude, I, I, I love it.
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  Dude, I you know what I love with the phone calls?
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  Yep. I think, I think because before
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  any killings happen, he calls and is like he's just like
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  talking. He's like saying stuff.
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  But as soon as the first kill happens, the next time he calls,
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  you hear like the suffocating and the choking sound.
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  Yeah, so. It's almost like he records his
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  murders and then plays it back over the phone.
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  And then is talking while he's doing the other.
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  Mm hmm. That's where all those.
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  Because after they find the little girl in the park, you
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  hear like the kid. You hear like a young voice
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  being. Oh fuck yeah, you're right.
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  Yeah, you do. The only one that doesn't happen
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  for is the cop because it's it's not really clear when.
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  The the the teacher too right, The school teacher too right?
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  Or the the the the the house. Mom.
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  The yeah yeah, the house mom. So it's 5 kills then?
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  Yeah, my favorite, honestly my favorite is the first one, just
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  the like the setup for where you're like whenever it cuts to
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  like a handheld POV shot, the insinuation is that is the
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  killer. But what they do right at the
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  beginning is they make it kind of unclear if he's really there
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  or not. And then the movie just very
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  quickly tells you like, no, he's here, he's in the house.
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  Yeah, he's he's right there. What do you mean you guys didn't
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  see him there? There's a lot of shadow play in
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  this as well that I liked a lot. And I think my favorite kill is
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  between the first kill and then the horse knife kill.
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  Oh, the the Unicorn. Statue.
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  Yeah. Unicorn statue.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that kill as well 'cause
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  you don't really. And that's.
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  Yeah. That one has like a misleading
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  thing in it too, where like you hear the sound of somebody like
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  choking or like gasping for breath and they go up and she's
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  having an asthma attack. Yes.
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  And then like it happens again, but this time she's being
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  killed. Of course the other the other
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  woman is out listening to the Christmas carolers, but.
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  Yeah, fucking Christmas carolers, dude.
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  Yeah, dude. I I love this film.
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  I think this is a great fix. The the first kill and like got
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  to give old girl credit for like just sitting in the chair with
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  that bag overhead breathing in to where it's like stuck in her
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  fucking mouth while I just like shoot her recording like fuck.
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  So that that actually there was something from the set that the
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  actor said that she she enjoyed doing that scene.
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  She was able to hold her breath for a long time and stay still
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  for a long time because she was a she was a gifted swimmer.
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  So she was used to holding her breath.
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  That was something she said in an interview.
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  And it was it was one of the only things where like people
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  were like talking about it other than saying like the normal
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  stuff, like, oh, we had a good time.
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  But she made it clear that she found it easy to do those scenes
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  where she had to sit in the chair and pretend to be dead.
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  I enjoy it. The whole time.
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  Just. Breathing in I.
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  Enjoy the implication that she's always been in that window as
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  well. Oh, she has been.
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  It's not an implication. She's been in that window.
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  Yeah. Just like rocking back and
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  forth, just all fucked up and like you could.
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  See it if anyone like walked by and just slightly paid any
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  attention you could see it. Does the whole movie like take
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  place over one night? Yes, yes.
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  OK, so I mean it is possible that nobody would have seen it
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  if all the lights were off. There weren't really straight
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  lights. It's possible you wouldn't see
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  it, but there's Party too. The the movie is supposed to be
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  set in Montreal, so the Montreal police were not doing a very
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  good job. Otherwise, I feel like any
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  police officers would have turned that house upside down.
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  First, yeah, that that bitch would have been brought to the
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  ground. Yeah.
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  I mean, look at the one murders that just happened, Brian
• 24:13
  Koeberger. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:19
  Sorry, that's that's kind of related a little bit.
• 24:22
  Yeah, he he's no good. No, no, good college girls.
• 24:28
  Yeah, no good. Yeah.
• 24:29
  But I mean, it is, it is similar.
• 24:31
  And it was like a thing after the movie came out.
• 24:34
  It was, it was kind of 'cause that was like a problem.
• 24:37
  Like, violence on college campuses has always been a
• 24:41
  problem. Clearly.
• 24:42
  Yeah. And then of like, of course,
• 24:46
  this had to happen in the late 70s.
• 24:49
  And Ted Bundy was doing his thing.
• 24:50
  And that was, like, his whole MO.
• 24:53
  Yeah. And like him being out there,
• 24:55
  that really had like an effect on the whole country because he
• 25:01
  seemed to move around a lot and very quickly.
• 25:06
  He was everywhere. I thought that.
• 25:09
  Well, a lot like. Fucking everywhere.
• 25:11
  I think it it's, it's kind of a crazy coincidence how similar
• 25:18
  that is. Like, I don't know when the Ted
• 25:20
  Bundy, like when people kind of knew about him.
• 25:23
  I don't know when that started. I'm unsure I but I want.
• 25:30
  Most of it most of the movie is based around like the killer in
• 25:35
  the house type thing. Yeah, home intruder.
• 25:40
  It just so happened that it happened to be reflecting things
• 25:44
  that were going on in the real world.
• 25:46
  But. I've I really liked it.
• 25:48
  I think it's definitely going to find its place as a holiday
• 25:53
  staple. This really something to watch
• 25:55
  it. Like I said, it's not very not
• 25:58
  very like holiday, but it just takes place I think like a
• 26:03
  couple days before Christmas. So Oh yeah, that's why they give
• 26:07
  it that holiday sending. But I going to give it a four
• 26:10
  out of five. Oh, very good, Mr. Alex, I'm.
• 26:16
  Going to give it a 5 out of five.
• 26:18
  Very good classic. It's a, it's a classic.
• 26:20
  It's a strong movie. It you know what you're getting
• 26:23
  into when you're watching it. It's fun, good movie.
• 26:27
  Hell yeah. I will also give it a 5 out of
• 26:32
  five. This is a classic.
• 26:33
  It's a staple in the holiday horror community and holiday
• 26:38
  horror movies itself. This is a must watch.
• 26:42
  This is a must see. Go watch Black Christmas right
• 26:45
  now. And it came from on screen box
• 26:48
  itself that you're listening to. It came from screen box.
• 26:50
  I don't know what happened. I I hit my head or something
• 26:52
  earlier? It's late.
• 26:53
  We're recording this late. We're I'm wearing jammies.
• 26:56
  I got blankie. No, I.
• 26:58
  Got my time. It's cozy time, everybody.
• 27:00
  We're we're chilling go watch this on screen box though.
• 27:03
  It's fantastic. Fantastic, fantastic movie and
• 27:08
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• 27:12
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• 27:41
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• 27:44
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• 27:46
  And we'll see. What it was, it was gonna be
• 27:49
  this, but Noah snatched it. Just had to say that real quick.
• 27:53
  You would gotta be quick, gotta be quick, quick, quick on the
• 27:56
  draw with these things. We will see you guys on
• 27:59
  Christmas. Take it easy until then.
• 28:02
  Thank you. Screen box.
• 28:03
  You screen box.