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ITB: Have The Eagles Been Successful Overall With Their Flurry Of 1-Year Deals? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on?
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: Everybody?
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: It's Jeff Moser, Adam Kaplan. March Madness is underway. That's right,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: March Madness. College basketball is underway. But what continues with
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: the Eagles, Adam is their one year signing spree, as
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: we have two new additions to the Eagles to talk about.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Of course, we've got running back Damian Pierce. That might
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: be a name that people are familiar with. Someone less
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: familiar with, I would imagine from our listeners is tight
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: End Stone Smart, which is right up there. It's not
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: going to be better than Storm Duck. It's not better
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: than Rishard wild Goose, right, but it's a really good name,
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  Speaker 1: good NFL name, Stone Smart.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of a name. It's kind of
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: like a superhero name. But so Damian Pierce is a guy.
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go inside the situation. Here's the deal. Damian Pierce
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: was phenomenal his rookie season. It was twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 2: on her Levy Smith was the head coach, Pep Hamilton
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: was the OC, and George Warhop the legendary George Warhap.
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: I say that if coaches know that he's a name
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  Speaker 2: in the coaching community is like a legend. He's now
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  Speaker 2: with it. He's now running the Browns offensive line, and
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: he's he's coaching on her West coast Don west coast.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of gap scheme sim zone. Well, he
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  Speaker 2: was great. Damian Pierce was really good to year one,
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: and then he completely fell off under Bobby Slowock, which
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  Speaker 2: was forty nine ers. Strutch shown it just he didn't
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  Speaker 2: fit and he was bad. He just he just completely
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: regressed because I was like, I was like first year,
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, this guy, this is is a
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  Speaker 2: really good pick for the Texans. Then completely fell off,
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: went to the Chiefs, didn't It didn't happen for him.
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  Speaker 2: And he's a long shot to make the team. I mean,
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: he's he's really long. He to me, he's got to
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: beat out Shipley. Will Shipley has special teams value, which
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: is important. When players are tied, it goes to special teams.
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: I always pretty much coaches will tell you that decides it. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So it's Carson Steele. You've brought him up before. Carson
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  Speaker 2: Steel's there, So it's gonna be hard for Damian Pierce
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  Speaker 2: to make it. But I mean you could see something
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  Speaker 2: in him because as a rookie. He was so far
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  Speaker 2: ahead of schedule. He was so good, but he's been
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: completely falling off.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Then the Stone Smart one, Stone Smart was a former.
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  Speaker 2: This guy know about. This guy was a This guy
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  Speaker 2: was a quarterback at an old Dominion and he got
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  Speaker 2: moved to I think tight end or receiver his last season.
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: He's a this is what he is. I think you
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: said it in your text. He's Tyree Jackson. What do
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  Speaker 2: I mean by that? Ray Jackson going to the broad
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  Speaker 2: side of a barn as a quarterback he had know
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  Speaker 2: it's Logan Thomas was a great story of by the way,
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  Speaker 2: another guy with terrible accuracy. But uh I remember on
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  Speaker 2: Serius XM. We we had Tyree Jackson along with us.
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  Speaker 2: It was before he got hurt, before he toured the
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  Speaker 2: a c L. He because he was a phenomenon. Like
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: in training company. He talked about how he saw what
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: Logan Thomas did. Well, we fast forward. Logan Thomas had
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: a great career, had a lot of money. Terry Jackson
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: unfortunately got too hurt, kind of out of the league.
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  Speaker 2: And now Stone Smart's another guy who moved to another position. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: Daris Cooper, by the way, now he's much smaller physically.
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: Gary's Cooper is a quarterback of Tarlton State. He went
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  Speaker 2: there to be a quarterback. They told him, if you
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  Speaker 2: won't have a chance to do anything at our school,
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  Speaker 2: you got to be a receiver. And Stone smart smartened
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: up and became a became a tight end. It's been
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: with the Chargers, he's been with Jests, he's played some
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  Speaker 2: in the regular season. He say, this is what he
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: could be. This is the upside to move this along.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he could be.
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  Speaker 2: A move tight end, which is which is the f
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: tight end depending on what offense we're in West Coast,
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  Speaker 2: is an f are you depending on what they call it.
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  Speaker 2: But a way he's a moved tight end. And maybe
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  Speaker 2: if maybe, if he kicks it, he's not gonna make
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  Speaker 2: the team. But maybe if he kicks ass and they
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: only sawn Kalkatra to another one year deal, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 2: he takes over Kaalkatara and twenty seven challenge for Russia
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  Speaker 2: spot as a backup move tight end. That that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the odds of I think you hit
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  Speaker 1: this on the head. The odds of either player making
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  Speaker 1: the team, you know, come out of camp or are
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  Speaker 1: very slim because there's you know, they're not proven well.
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  Speaker 1: Damian Pierce, as you mentioned, he proved himself in a
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  Speaker 1: certain type of scheme, has not fared as well since.
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: I will say this though, but for whatever reason, Adam
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: and we've talked about this a lot, and it's confused us.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: The Eagles have really been I guess, bullish on keeping
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: four running backs on their fifty three, even if they're
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: not using the fourth. Aj Dillon collected dust as the
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: fourth running back for all last season, and you know,
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: the same thing with Rashad Penny a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I don't, first of all, I
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  Speaker 1: have some questions about scheme fit. And we've we're already
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  Speaker 1: for our listeners to know we're already talking with Greg
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: Cosel and doing our our NFL preview, I'm sorry, our
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: NFL draft preview when we're going through each position and
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of the recurring themes and doing these things
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: with Greg and these will be out soon are whether
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  Speaker 1: this guy can succeed in a certain scheme or with
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: a certain coach, right because in the NFL that matters
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  Speaker 1: more than any other sport. And Pierce look good when
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  Speaker 1: he was pounding up the middle his first year. But
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles appear to be running what we think is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a different offense, which should have wide
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  Speaker 1: zone blocking or at least outside I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, it doesn't appear it's different.
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  Speaker 1: It just doesn't. It seems like Pierce would have been
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  Speaker 1: a great number three Eagles for like the last year
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  Speaker 1: or the year before. But now you know, you know
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  Speaker 1: how he it's best available Gator, I get it, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta have. But for to make the counter argument, for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, the Eagles have been keeping an extra running
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  Speaker 1: back on their fifty three for the last three years.
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  Speaker 1: We just collects dust and I'm not sure why they
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Dylan and Dylan's guarantee was so small he had
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: he signed a veteran minimum deal yep, and it was
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  Speaker 2: the guarantee was less than two hundred thousand. Uh. It
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  Speaker 2: was interesting because Dylan was ahead of Shipley late in
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: training camp and then for teams value Shipley had over Dylan.
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  Speaker 2: You're not dressing for running backs. You'd never dressed for
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  Speaker 2: running back, So less two of them are hurt, it
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  Speaker 2: makes the zero sense. So someone had to be the
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  Speaker 2: man out. Dylan would sit Shipley would play as a
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: kickoff for Turner a little bit as a change up,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit on third down every now and then.
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  Speaker 2: But bottom line is they as you said, they've shown
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  Speaker 2: them will a miss or for whatever reason they've done that.
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  Speaker 2: But I like the stone smart one man one of
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  Speaker 2: these Look, I'm telling you, Tyree Jackson was making it
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  Speaker 2: that year that he got hurt. Remember the first one
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: was a back fracture, which we've talked about before. We're
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  Speaker 2: a practice. Happened right in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: He actually left, came back, still practiced, an then he
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  Speaker 2: couldn't take it in the longer than he he you know,
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  Speaker 2: that was it. And then maybe a year later enough
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  Speaker 2: to look it up, but I remember he tores a
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  Speaker 2: c al. I'm like, gosh, its worst luck.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good call by the Eagles though, in
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  Speaker 2: terms of you know what, one of these basketball players
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: like Antonio Gates started it all and I remember that,
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: you'll you could connect with this one. There was a
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  Speaker 2: guy who played for Yukono. His name is Ed Nelson.
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  Speaker 2: He was a power forward. Yeah, and I'm yep. I
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  Speaker 2: went to his pro day at Yukon. They worked him out.
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  Speaker 2: It was it was a huge crowd. It was it
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: was you know, you can't never do you know, Yukon.
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  Speaker 2: I know Randy Etzel would come back, but they were
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: pretty bad and anyway they were. He went to round,
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: he went to the rams and he fishs. He just
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  Speaker 2: never made it. You know, he was signed. It's an
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  Speaker 2: entreted freeg. But I know the Eagles have tried with
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  Speaker 2: these guys. These these former basketball players or quarterbacks whatever
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  Speaker 2: whatever may be, guys who have a lot of length
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  Speaker 2: and if they campa an offensive line mean bastball, try it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So the one thing I remember about Tyree
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  Speaker 1: Jackson that you and I would talk about on the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and this came from us talking to other people who
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  Speaker 1: he knew who either played the position and had that
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  Speaker 1: abnormal height and length. Right, and I remember even talking
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: to Harold Carmichael, is that the uphill battle that Tyree
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  Speaker 1: Jackson was always going to face being that tall, because
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: I think it was six' six If i'm not, mistaken
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  Speaker 1: he was pretty tall and playing that specific position was
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: that he was going to have a big strike zone
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: for catching passes over the middle and he was going
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: to get hit a. Lot AND i think the back
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  Speaker 1: injury that that he suffered came in a practice we
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: were watching where he got. Hit the knee injury might have.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: Been it happened actually right out of the the. Goalpost.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah leap for, it, yes and felt hard and it looked.
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: Bad you, know it might have been a tail, bump broken,
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: tail BUT i don't. Remember it looked like it. Was but,
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: anyway it was a back, fracture, Right and what else
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  Speaker 2: you gonna?
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  Speaker 1: Say, WELL i was gonna. Say Street, so on the other,
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  Speaker 1: hand is not abnormally. Tall he's not six, six he's sixty.
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  Speaker 1: Four he's good, Good, Yes i'm, sorry smart stone. Smart,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so that shouldn't be as much an issue for
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: him as it was For Tyree. Jackson and he's already
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: played in THE. NFL i know he's with. THAT i
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  Speaker 1: remembered him with The. CHARGERS i actually forgot until the
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: announcement came. DOWN i looked that he was with The
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: jets last, year and it's hard to evaluate anybody with
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: The jester passing game was so so. Bad So i'm.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: Intrigued does he come in and Give Kal katara a
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: little run for his? MONEY i, MEAN i think, THAT.
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  Speaker 2: I really he is he's got to put weight. On
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: i'm very interest to see because he plays around two, thirty,
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: right WHICH i mean he's a big time like he's a. Receiver,
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: basically he's a. Receiver he's built like a. Receiver but
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: here's the thing That i'm noticing a pattern, here, Right
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: so let's be. Honest kakatara come back with surprising he
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: didn't play well last. Season, okay so he's. Back he's
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: a move tight. End he's a he's a detached tight. End.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: Right Jahan bell is a detached tight. End they did
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: bring him. Back, Okay jenkins could do, both ALTHOUGH. Ej
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: jenkins was a college, receiver but he's put on a
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: lot of. Weight and then you've got the y ted,
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: ends the inline blockers Like lattu And Johnny. Montcake so
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: there you. Go to, me they're kind of showing their
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: hand a little. Bit what we'll see if we're, Right
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: but it looks like they're going to separate them a little. Bit.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah and by the, Way calcaterra And smart have played
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: the same number. Year their numbers are very. Similar smart
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: as thirty eight catches When calcutara has forty. TWO i
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: believe he has four hundred and ninety four. Yards smart
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: has four hundred and thirty two. Yards so you're, Not
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: you're AND i WOULD i would Bet calcatara has played more.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: Snaps, yeah what it is is Cal katarrra has got.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: TENURE i mean he's got he's got. Deference you. Know
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: They So I'm smart was not. Drafted just the guy's
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: moved on from he's on his third. Team but like you,
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: said they're both, athletes both undersized for the. Position but
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: you know, what in TODAY'S, nfl it's, like how Does Evan?
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: Ingram Evan ingram became a first round? Pick you AND
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: i were doing that show in twenty seventeen for the
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: FANATIC i, say you don't gonna believe it Is Evan
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: ingram was going to go in the first. Round and
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: that's it's because you're paying for, athleticism, right you shouldn't
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: have probably should have been third round. Pick but club's
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: over draft for speed athleticism and absolutely all.
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: Right so why don't we let's put this in perspective
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: of what The eagles have been doing the last few,
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: years because The eagles have gone to the point list
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: is to their, credit but they they don't have a middle.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: Class they have a lot of guys on huge contracts
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: because of their creative way that they're able, to you,
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: know sign, guys use void, years keep a lot of
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: really good, players and then they fill in the holes
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: with draft picks and one year and guys on one year.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: Deals and there have been a couple of one year
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: deals that you can go look at through the history
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: you know of the team and, say, hey those really worked.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: Out those were, Great but more or less they usually.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: Don't and last, Year adam the one year guys really
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: not What i'm going to. GO i would love The
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: eagles every once in a while to pretending that they're
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: smarter than, everybody because the whole dog and pony show
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: they put on last year About Avery williams is gonna
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: come in here kind of offensive. WEAPON i, Mean nick
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: was like salivating over the. GUY i, mean come, on come,
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: on there's a reason you signed him for one year
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: and nobody else and he played two different positions in
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: THE nfl didn't even make the.
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: Team to be honest with, You i'm, going, Well i'm
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: gonna give you a number. Here so Through thursday and
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: including last, year we're only going to talk the pre
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: draft period of, this because this is this is they're
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: gonna be a reason why we're doing. This, yes they've.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: Signed they have agreements with NINETEEN uf free agents veteran free.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: Agents last year they had. Twelve Aj, Dillon Miss Taris,
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: Marshall miss every one who you. Mentioned kylon grantson good
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: special teams. Player they guarantee that that he got paid
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: under two, million if you know they got something out of.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: Him Harrison, Bryant miss. BOY i was disappointed with that.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: One Kenna, Lamb Miss Matt, Pryor miss, o'jelari miss Miss
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: well WHAT i, say he actually looked. Fine he just
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: he got you surped because they needed an, upgrade so
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: they made the. Trade Patrick, JOHNSON i can't it counts
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: because it was before the. Draft Charlie hewlett and Then
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Dorry jackson was The REALLY i had to even called a.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: Hit you got what you paid, for that's. All that's.
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: All you got what you paid, for, RIGHT i, mean
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: THAT'S i think you could throw him grantson and uce
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: into that you got what you paid. For but none
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: of these guys, over none of these certainly none of
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: them Were Zach. Bonds but you can't expect that all the.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Time, no that was that was a big, time big
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: time home run hit one. Deal, yeah that was the.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: Surprise, No, NO i will SAY i will Say adam,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: though of all these, names nobody among these, names especially
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: like most of them were not asked to play really big.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: Position LIKE i look at this the one year signing
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: two years ago of the linebacker who was A Devin
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: white right or a couple of years Ago Tarell. Edmonds
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: those were. BAD i mean you were asking those, guys
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: you needed them to be, Starters Nick, morrow and they
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: were not. Capable so last year it would have been
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: nice if you got better play out of prior because
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: that actually was important as a. Swinge he came into
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: that game against The rams and he was an absolute.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Turnstyle so you're you're right to point this out that
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: this is not a great trends.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: Better, Better, Yeah so so, far the seven agreements Are Pierce, Hollywood,
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Brown Mont, smart Epicatty Reek, wollan And Jonathan. Jones, now
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: the level of player comparatively is way better than last.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Year doesn't guarantee, anything, correct but the quality of the
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: player is way better and they've spent way more their
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Cash ben is way up. Comparatively m, fact they've SPENT
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: i think on Probably epicaddy And Reek wollan more than
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: the other twelve players they signed last.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Year it's, amazing it's. Amazing all those guys from last
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: year were like what one year veteran minimum? Type now
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: that the most. Money the guy who got the most
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: money Was, ojalai, right.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: That Was glori, right less than four? Million, YEAH i
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: think she got, two, Right, joshua she got under. Two
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: no one signed FOR i. Don't i'll tell you in twenty.
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  Speaker 2: SECONDS i haven't got.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: IT i try to map in my head if if
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: he even got Like USh.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Got one point nine to two. Million, okay call that.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Too call that. Too so that's about six between those
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: two and then The Dorri.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Jackson, wow one point seven five five. MILLION i mean
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: they got they got volume out of. That, YEAH i
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: mean they got their. Money you get what you pay. For,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: yeah they got they got value out of. It Kylon
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: granson one point seventy five, Million.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Okay so that's about we're about about about ten million
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: On prior one point three five five, million.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Okay eleven eleven and a.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Half Everybody Fred johnson one point three seven million.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Trade though doesn't.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Count that was a, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah yeah SAID
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: i didn't count him on, That YEAH i, DID i,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: DIDN'T i, didn't right, Right, well, no they traded him,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: away yeah they, did but they did sign him technically In.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: March see okoronco got. Signed he got signed why before
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: the season started in Late. August that's doesn't we're talking
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: before the, draft.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Right but the bottom line is we. Not you're not
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: going to get to fifteen million on last year's free.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Agents, now the bottom line is that, howie it's let's
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: let's be, honest as great as he is if you
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: go back to twenty, okay twenty Four Zach, bawd but
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: remember we're getting how he signed, him so he's got
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: to get. Credit but If fangio is not here and
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: they Sign Zack, Bawnd Zac blond probably would not be
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: An eagle right now because he never would have played.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Linebacker that's a bit of.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: THAT i, Mean, honestly the GUY i credit most For
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Zach bonnd Is Zach. Bond he put the work. In
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: he was. Amazing, sure no great, Job Vic gage, job
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: but it's hard to say this is like one Of
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: howie's greatest Scouting uh, right, right.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Right but in twenty four they Did, okay they also
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: got Mkay beck and they nailed that.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: One that was definitely good.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Job well that was A hollie And stout. Yep And
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: i'm Looking Arn. Burks you, Know brooks did. Fine burk's
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: only made one point two five.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Million got that that was actually a good. Side so that's.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: These, guys. Right they weren't won a Super bowl without these. Guys.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Right that's a good example of you, paid you got
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: more than you paid, for which is what you're trying
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: to do on the free because you're you're doing this with.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Intent you're doing this because you think it's the buyer's
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: market and you think you have players you can perform
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: for you at a lower cost because there were so
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: many players at their position who were, available so you
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: got to hold it to that. Standard and last year's
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: i mean last year's standard was, they like you, said twelve,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: signings and not one of them really performed above the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: level of what you signed them, for and many of
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: them were lower than the.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: LEVEL i understand the general managers sometimes you know they
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: have a cash budget that they're given by ownership and
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: they have to stay within. It this counts for extension re,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: SIGNINGS ufa, signings trades and the draft or that they're
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: mandated by the by THE cba about what you can pay,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: them but you have to set aside. Money bottom line
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: is sometimes there's cash, squeeze but that doesn't mean you
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: can't do a great. Evaluation they have to do a better,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: job like they their pro personal apartment and, howie they've
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: got to do a better. Job it's if you want
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: to know what why do they fizzle so? Much you
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: could talk about the bad offense all you, want which is,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: fine it's it's, true but the quality of the roster
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: is not as. Good that's, fair absolutely.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: True this, YEAR i think you mentioned, this What woolan
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And ebiquetty get combined will be more than the entire
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Five, absolutely their cash bends up and.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: They will be asked more Like ebiquetty's coming in here and, say,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: yeah you've got to be a big part of, this
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: especially now right now with them lacking a star, edge you,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: know to replace if.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: They don't get, one, yeah hell he should be the third.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Guy if they don't get that guy on as you just,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: mentioned you get him in the. Draft so they stayed with
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: let's say first and second, round they drafted andre K
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: that guy will be expected to be a start at
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: some point over his rookie. Contract but you've still got
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: No Old. Smith he's still Got jaylex. Huntbacketty that guy
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: there's your. Four. Yeah, yeah but if, Not i'm not
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: rolling anything. OUT i mean you've pointed this out many,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: times how he's made trades right hugging up to the.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Season That Garter johnson trade of, Course, OKAY i Mentioned
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: obo that was a minor trade by minor. Signing but
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: he's made trades to, start, see.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Like when He Dearby. DARBY i was just.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Thinking of that twenty seventeen Sixteen.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Super bowl, year twenty, Seventeen.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay BECAUSE i couldn't remember if he did, it you're.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: PRIOR i couldn't know it was that.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Year, okay, yep For.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Jordan.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Matthews, yes, well and the third round pick that was exactly.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Right that was Big, matthews, Right so he's. Relentless but,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: yeah he's just Got that's one area he's got to
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: do a better of evaluation because the coaches could only
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: do so. Much, man you, could you could criticize coaches
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: all you, want but if the, roster you can only
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: get so much out of subpar. Players.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Right so as it sits like the three guys here
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that have to play above their pay level to be
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: honest for this team to be Super bowl contender Are,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Woolen ebighetti And Hollywood. Brown there's just no question about.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: It, WELL i would say Definitely, Woolen Hollywood brown or
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: depends if a. J brown straighted or.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: NOT i still think that you need because of the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: depth issues that we've talked, about if you're really trying
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to grow this offense and not be shot Play Like
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: i'm projecting to what they, said they want to be,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: right they want to have a better play action. Game
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: this is a, good perfect kind of guy with his
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: speed to work play action off Of he's a perfect
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: kind of guy to be not a power, slot but
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a vertical. Slot LIKE i have more expectations For Hollyrootwood
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: brown THAN i did For Johan dotson BECAUSE i felt
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Like Hollywood brown is a better.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Player he definitely Is Johann. Dotson he LOOKED i would
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: say this about. Him, yes as we report at the time. Commanders,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: ABSOLUTELY i think they would have cut. Him they were
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: so done with him that the new front office and
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the new coaching, staff they just didn't think he gave enough.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Effort and after that really good rookie, season remember he
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: had The hamshire, injury he fell off like a ton of.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Bricks he just has steadily dropped. Again that front office
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and coach staff they wanted him, out and The eagles
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: overpaid for, him. Unfortunately and then the problem was the
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: passing game, regrassed Wasn't it Wasn't dotson's. Fault he looked
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: fine when they threw it to. Him, Yes Atlantic atlanta
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: clearly saw something to guarantee ten million over two, years
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: eight year one and two million year. Two why do
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you have to give? Him why not just pay him
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: in the first. Year that's not a.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Crazy, thing. Right he just got way more money Than
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: hollywood brown. Got and we're sitting here, saying Like Johann
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: dotson's had maybe four really good game in his, career
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and two of them were the first two games he
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: ever played For. Washington Hollywood browns had a thousand yard season.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: BEFORE i. Know it's the market sometimes just never makes.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: It it is really weird injury, history all that. STUFF i get,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: IT i, understand but it's very.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Weird it is that free. Agency it's like we've talked
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: About Christian kirk when he got that ridiculous deal and his,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: agent AND i give the guy, credit he clubs thought
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: he was. Bluffing he was talking to clubs in the.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: MORNING i got this big deal and wound up being
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: seventeen point five million or something for. Season people they challenged.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Him they didn't believe. Him see a lot of the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: there probably were ten to twelve teams in that in a, form, right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: yeah and then they were dropping off one by one
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: because he SAID i got a deal and everyone was
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: waiting to get the. Terms what the real money? Was
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: yeahep was real.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Man, oh it's like the poker game and he laid
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: down The royal.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Flush and that's that's what you that's what you're alluding.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: To that free agency is. Ridiculous and here's. Why when
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: when a head coach wants this, GUY i, mean let's
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the sorry it. WAS i don't want to short it
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: was eighteen million a, year, okay ye they fully guarantee
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the first two. Years it's when you've got leverage, man
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a slat. Receiver he was. Nicely he also had a
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: big injury. History to, me he was like a seven
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to million a year. Guy when you get to the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: market and everybody wants you on your, tune, man that's
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the way it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Goes that's where it, goes all, Right so interesting conversation
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: here a lot of the one Year we're going to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: talk a lot about these one year. Deals this has
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: really become the thing for them over the last few
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: years to supplement the bigger contracts and draft yes that they,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: have and, honestly some of their seasons are going to
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: hinge on. It last year did the twenty twenty Four
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Super bowl. Season it worked out well because Of beckton And,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: bond but last year not as. Well SO i like.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: This it's kind of something new for us to go
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: through and then look back on and make comparisons. Too
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: so good. Stuff that's going to do it for this
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