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The Klaus Schwab Playbook, and the Great Confusion Dividing the Church (ft. Tom Hughes) · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers Podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the podcast today, everybody. Mono Benzalez here in studio
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  Speaker 1: with Tom Hughes. Welcome Tom. Great being here Mondo, and
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  Speaker 1: we are here to discuss Tom's new book, Marking the Masses.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think right here out of the gate,
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  Speaker 1: you partnered up. Well, maybe you tell who did you
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  Speaker 1: partner up with on this, and let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: Brent Miller Jr. Ingenuity Films. And what happened was the
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  Speaker 2: whole story.
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  Speaker 1: Of how we got here as much as you want
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  Speaker 1: to share.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I won't go with the whole story because it
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  Speaker 2: takes too long. But he had read the first book
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  Speaker 2: that I have on a plane and after he read it,
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  Speaker 2: he contacted me. We'd already known each other. He said, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I want to do a project. I want to do
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  Speaker 2: another book and maybe a documentary, and I really like
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  Speaker 2: this book you wrote, and so let's talk. So I
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  Speaker 2: say sure. So anyways, a few different things have happened
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  Speaker 2: since that conversation that are still moving forward. But after
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  Speaker 2: moving forward on the other projects, I had a conversation
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  Speaker 2: with my dad. I recorded it and it was about
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  Speaker 2: the tech industry, and it was going back to nineteen
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  Speaker 2: sixty one with the company that he worked for. At
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  Speaker 2: the time, I was only two years old and he
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  Speaker 2: worked for a company called Teledyne, and I recorded the
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  Speaker 2: conversation with my dad and I was at one of
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  Speaker 2: the prophecy watchers' conferences and I was talking to Brent
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  Speaker 2: and I said, hey, Brent, I think I can do
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  Speaker 2: a book on this. If you're interested, I'll send you
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  Speaker 2: the audio. And I do remember he looked at me like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, yeah, sure, I'll take you and I said yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, no, I really do think you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be interested. So I sent him the audio, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember ever following up with him on it,
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  Speaker 2: but eventually he came around and said, hey, I think
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  Speaker 2: we need to do something with this, and so we did.
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  Speaker 2: So I started working on it right away, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: you and I we both talked about these types of
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  Speaker 2: things all the time. And what I really wanted to
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  Speaker 2: do was so I took messages I have had done,
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  Speaker 2: but then I had to put a lot more depth
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  Speaker 2: to it and give people an understanding seasoned prophecy people.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to take them to an understanding that most
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  Speaker 2: of them have probably never really thought through yet as
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  Speaker 2: we look at all the different things that are happening,
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  Speaker 2: there's so many things happening in society, whether it be
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  Speaker 2: here in America or in the globe, that they're happening
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  Speaker 2: every day, new news every day. Well, how do you
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  Speaker 2: connect all of the dots together and understand it according
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  Speaker 2: to God's word? Because we know there is what God's
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  Speaker 2: word tells us, we know what the endgame is. We
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  Speaker 2: also know he tells us what to look for. So
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  Speaker 2: really had to put a lot more thought than normal
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  Speaker 2: into it and dig a little bit deeper, get some
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  Speaker 2: research done. I did have a lot of help on it.
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  Speaker 2: And this is how we got here today. You know.
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  Speaker 1: You know for those listening, when we think about what
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  Speaker 1: you just said, that the anchor is the scripture, and
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  Speaker 1: the anchor is I think the prophetic framework that God
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  Speaker 1: gives us. We have some we don't have all the details,
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  Speaker 1: but we have a lot of details of how the book,
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  Speaker 1: the Book of Relation, or at least to the seven
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  Speaker 1: year Tribulation, is going to unfold. And really when when
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  Speaker 1: you when you map it all out, one of the
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  Speaker 1: main segments is the midpoint you have so many things happen.
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  Speaker 1: You have the Abomination of desolation, you have the Antichrist,
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  Speaker 1: you know, becoming wounded. But you also have right there
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  Speaker 1: the Revelation twelve, the war in Heaven, and you know
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  Speaker 1: Satan and he gets cast down, he knows his time
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  Speaker 1: is short. But then right after this it's it's unlimited
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  Speaker 1: power for Satan and the Antichrist, that Satanic trinity from
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  Speaker 1: this in the second half. But at that, what I
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  Speaker 1: think is good the way you organize the book, to me,
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  Speaker 1: at least the way I roll with it is the
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  Speaker 1: mark of marking the masses, you know that title, and
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  Speaker 1: then recognizing, hey, everybody, this is what happens in the
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  Speaker 1: midpoint or roughly, but how did we get here? And
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  Speaker 1: so I think that's the power of this book is
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  Speaker 1: is going backwards, kind of extrapolaining in reverse to what
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  Speaker 1: we're recognizing. And again I say this all the time.
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  Speaker 1: We don't go from Mayberry and the rapture happens, and
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  Speaker 1: then the next day, all of a sudden, all these
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  Speaker 1: things occur. There's so many layers that are bringing again
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  Speaker 1: humanity up to this point that start way way way,
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  Speaker 1: and as you show in the book, HG. Wells, going
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  Speaker 1: all the way back into the eighteen hundreds. But what
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  Speaker 1: I want to do now is we're going to take
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  Speaker 1: a little break because I want you to at least
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  Speaker 1: hear the trailer. People go online. Do you have a
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  Speaker 1: website for the book?
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  Speaker 2: Marking themasses dot com?
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  Speaker 1: It's super easy. But if you're just driving and you
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  Speaker 1: want to hear it, I want to just let you
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  Speaker 1: hear the trailer because it's extremely well done.
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  Speaker 2: I had a conversation with my dad. He used to
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  Speaker 2: work for a company called Teledyne back in the early
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  Speaker 2: nineteen sixties, and he was invited to a party in
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  Speaker 2: the Hollywood Hills. He said, all the big wigs were there,
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  Speaker 2: Henry Singleton and so forth. And he said an individual
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  Speaker 2: showed up and they're standing in the backyard looking into
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  Speaker 2: the city of Los Angeles. We see all these lights
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  Speaker 2: in the city out there and all the people that
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  Speaker 2: are out there. Someday we're going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: control everyone. And he wasn't referring to just Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is going to be identified. It's called the mark
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  Speaker 2: of the Beasts. Choosing the mark is really choosing to
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  Speaker 2: either live or die. There's no escape from.
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  Speaker 1: The system available in paperback in the book, get your
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  Speaker 1: copy today. Okay, So obviously the trailer is great, it's
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  Speaker 1: well done. Let's kind of jump in. You've you've organized
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  Speaker 1: the book into you know, eight different parts. Right in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning. Give us a little bit about the background.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know, what's the anchor here, what do
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  Speaker 1: we see that's going to be happening in that tribulation?
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  Speaker 1: A little bit more depth, and then and kind of
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  Speaker 1: bring it back to us.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, well, we do know in the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: tribulation we've got the mark of the beast, so we
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  Speaker 2: have hence the book title marking the Masses. Technology is involved,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not just technology. So in order to get
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  Speaker 2: the book to where it is and get people to understand, really,
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  Speaker 2: what I did was reverse engineering if you look at
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  Speaker 2: it that way, like you said, going back in history.
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  Speaker 2: When you go back in history, you can and then
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  Speaker 2: you start working through the centuries, you realize, oh wow,
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  Speaker 2: and you do get the wow factor because it all
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  Speaker 2: begins to make sense. It didn't just start in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: sixty one the conversation with than my dad had. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was technology and the technology that we have today
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  Speaker 2: and everything is put together there for us to see that.
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  Speaker 2: But there's so much more eighteen forty four, Samuel Morse
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  Speaker 2: Morse code H G. Wells was I'm telling you that
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  Speaker 2: guy's used by the devil. He really to influence where
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  Speaker 2: we are today. The Klaus Schwabs, the Kissingers.
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  Speaker 1: Well and the way that you wrote it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at the philosophy, let's go back to
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  Speaker 1: Blovotsky and the Theosophy Society, even some of the other
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  Speaker 1: again I would say enlightenment philosophies that happened. But here HG. Wells,
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  Speaker 1: he writes this book. He's rumming from a Darwinist, from
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  Speaker 1: a humanist perspective, and what he writes is like a
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  Speaker 1: modern from that point forward, is like a modern playbook guidebook.
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  Speaker 1: This is how this is what we're after in the
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  Speaker 1: long term, and this is how you get.
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  Speaker 2: There absolutely in fact, even with an understanding of technology.
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  Speaker 2: So he really it's like he put together, well you said,
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  Speaker 2: the playbook. It's like, here's your instructions on what you
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  Speaker 2: need to do, and you listen to the global leaders.
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  Speaker 2: You listen to you know, Klaus Schwab has his Young
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  Speaker 2: College of Global Leaders or whatever they're called right, been
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  Speaker 2: going on for decades now, and you look at that,
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  Speaker 2: what do we have. We have governors, we have mayors,
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  Speaker 2: we have leaders of countries that have been through that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm convinced it is the thoughts of H. G. Wells
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  Speaker 2: that they used as their instruction manual for how are
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  Speaker 2: we going to achieve the things that we need to
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  Speaker 2: do in order for an elite group of people to
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  Speaker 2: be able to control the masses of the world. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of quotes in the book and
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  Speaker 2: looking at the fact that H. G. Wells and other
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  Speaker 2: elites of his time, and especially now we really see it,
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  Speaker 2: they believe that they're the only ones they're smart enough
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  Speaker 2: to be able to save the planet. The rest of
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  Speaker 2: us know, we're just going to cause problems for them,
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  Speaker 2: where as you've all know horisis we're useless eaters. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you start looking at all of this, but you put
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  Speaker 2: it all together and you realize so many factors are
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  Speaker 2: involved in it, and uh, from climate laws, and then
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  Speaker 2: I would say the wokeism, Uh definitely. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: this religious system that's being built and as you said,
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  Speaker 2: it's not like we're Mayberry. And then all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden the rapture takes place and everybody just says, let
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  Speaker 2: me sign up for the market of the being. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's a process. We are experiencing that process right now.
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  Speaker 2: And this the book really is intended to help the
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  Speaker 2: Christian understand what's going on. And when we understand it
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  Speaker 2: and we understand why from a biblical perspective, it's going
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  Speaker 2: to strengthen everybody who reads it. It'll strengthen their faith.
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  Speaker 2: They'll get it and the lawso gonna they're going to
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  Speaker 2: understand some something else. Man, I need to get this
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  Speaker 2: message to others, the message of the Gospel of the
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  Speaker 2: Hope of the Lord Jesus Christ, which you know, we
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  Speaker 2: also include in the book because I believe that people
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  Speaker 2: who don't know the Lord will be really they'll get
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  Speaker 2: their questions answered.
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  Speaker 1: To you exactly, because when we look around, I think
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  Speaker 1: in terms of you know, we have the scripture, we
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  Speaker 1: have this framework that again we don't know all the details,
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  Speaker 1: but the framework just helps us to be discerning. I
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  Speaker 1: was talking to my daughter yesterday and we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about discernment, and she says, well, what's the what's the
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  Speaker 1: definition of discernment? Because she said, do you think I
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  Speaker 1: have discernment, and I said, I love you. But no,
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't offended because she's too sweet, she's innocent, and
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  Speaker 1: she's relatively trusting. And I said, there's a certain level
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  Speaker 1: of cynicism that in our world today where no, if
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  Speaker 1: the government says something, my default is to distrust it automatically.
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  Speaker 1: Why well, because they're human, and so we learned from
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  Speaker 1: the history of humanity that generally speaking, governments shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: trusted because of what they do. But when we think
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  Speaker 1: about deception, I said, I said, well, well, scripturally, the
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  Speaker 1: more you know about the word, the more you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to see false teaching. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: doctrines and demons. Okay, I said, So, I said discernment.
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  Speaker 1: I would say eighty percent of discernment comes by how
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  Speaker 1: thorough you are in understanding true doctrine. I said, But
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  Speaker 1: the other one is a spiritual gift. You can have
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  Speaker 1: some people that maybe they're not theologians, whatever, but they
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  Speaker 1: have a gift of discernment. They just go no, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the spirit as they're working in their heart. So I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for her, she's a very studious person. But
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  Speaker 1: I go to me, you got to be more cynical
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  Speaker 1: in one says, in one sense, because the heart of
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  Speaker 1: man is deceitful, it's incurably wicked. Jeremiah seventeen nine. I said,
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  Speaker 1: so as we as we look out, we come to
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  Speaker 1: this point and going, especially the world to me, it's
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  Speaker 1: first John two, first Jon four. If the world says
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  Speaker 1: go this way in unity, automatically, I'm going to I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going that way. Yeah, because the world speaks and
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  Speaker 1: they listen to themselves. And who's the leader of the world,
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  Speaker 1: Who's the ruler of this world in that sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the prince of the power of the air and
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  Speaker 2: the air waves exactly, the god of this world, the
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  Speaker 2: devil himself is so and you see the masses going
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  Speaker 2: in a particular direction. And the young people have a
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  Speaker 2: real challenge with this because they automatically trust adults, school teachers, administrators.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying all school teachers are bad. I have
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  Speaker 2: some friends in public school systems that are wonderful. They
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  Speaker 2: love the Lord. Not saying that, but we can see
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  Speaker 2: what's happened in every aspect of society as these evil
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  Speaker 2: people have crept in and they're manipulating the people. The
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  Speaker 2: masses of people, young people especially, because they trust they
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  Speaker 2: trust the adult, they trust the person that's an authority,
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  Speaker 2: and the last few years of wokeism has eliminated the
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  Speaker 2: ability for critical thinking, and so it's no longer that
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  Speaker 2: they're just told what to do. And it's happening in
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  Speaker 2: every school. I had a friend from Israel. It's an idea,
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  Speaker 2: and he said to me when I was over there
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  Speaker 2: back in May. He said, Hey, the stuff I'm hearing about,
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  Speaker 2: He goes, that's only like in certain areas, right, and
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  Speaker 2: equating it to when you hear news you think you
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  Speaker 2: think it's everywhere you find out, No, it's only isolated
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  Speaker 2: to a particular area. Like somebody I live in California,
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  Speaker 2: when my friend's back east, here's about an earthquake in California. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that earthquake was four hundred miles away. We're okay, we
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  Speaker 2: didn't experience any of it. Riots in Los Angeles and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not near that. You know that kind of thing. No,
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  Speaker 2: But I said, in this case, David, I said, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's happening in every single school district throughout the country.
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  Speaker 2: Some are pushing back, it's the whole country is infected
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  Speaker 2: by this wokism. Is anti Christian at its core, everything
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  Speaker 2: that is against Christ family, everything that God is great.
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  Speaker 2: Even when you look at the to save the world,
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  Speaker 2: well you got to eat bugs. You can't eat meat anymore,
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  Speaker 2: you got to kill all the cows. Well, what's for
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  Speaker 2: Timothy chapter four forbidding to eat meat? Forbidding to eat
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  Speaker 2: food that is fit for human consumption, designed by God
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  Speaker 2: to be received with thanksgiving. And in fact, in First
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  Speaker 2: Timothy chapter four it even says verse one, in the
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  Speaker 2: latter times, So we can take what is happening right now,
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  Speaker 2: doctrines of demons, deceiving spirits, teaching lies in hypocrisy, commanding
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  Speaker 2: that you don't marry forbidding that you eat meat. Next
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  Speaker 2: it is it's coming very, very very soon. Because of that,
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  Speaker 2: we have a placeholder for what we are experiencing right now.
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  Speaker 2: For Timothy chapter four tells us in the latter time,
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  Speaker 2: So we know we are very late in that hour,
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  Speaker 2: but we also know we occupy until he comes. We
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  Speaker 2: have the answer, and we can help people to understand
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  Speaker 2: and also to turn them to the hope that we
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  Speaker 2: have in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, as we as we think about and
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  Speaker 1: you do this in the book. Let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: other code word that appears within wokeism, and that is
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  Speaker 1: follow the science. Because to me C. S. Lewis, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not in many of his writings, but you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: done a lot for the Screwtape letters, and even there
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  Speaker 1: in the seventh letter he talks about mythologizing their science,
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  Speaker 1: and this is in nineteen forty one. It's amazing that
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that he did there and in my research
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  Speaker 1: for that book, talking about how you mythologize, you elevate
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  Speaker 1: science itself to be this worshipful type of authority figure
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  Speaker 1: where it cannot be question. It's like, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: know what God says, go left, Okay, yes sir, he
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  Speaker 1: you're the boss. That's what we do. We just say yes,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully we're obedient. But in this case science Now he
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  Speaker 1: talks there about jargon and about the way that you
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  Speaker 1: can change words. So science generally is defined as empirical, right,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing tests by definition, we start out with a hypothesis,
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  Speaker 1: We do a test, and we question that very nature
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  Speaker 1: of science is questioning the current data you have based
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  Speaker 1: on potentially new data. But it's interesting that I liked
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  Speaker 1: how you did it in the book where you talked
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  Speaker 1: about Fauci as an example, and at first he gave
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  Speaker 1: a very good definition of science, that things should touch
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  Speaker 1: the way science works. You questioned it. But then later
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  Speaker 1: when he was questioned, he personified himself as science the
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  Speaker 1: definition of science. Like if you questioned me, you're questioning science,
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  Speaker 1: talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you do such a thing? Huh, I'm convinced
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  Speaker 2: behind it. As money, I'm absolutely all the money. But
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  Speaker 2: so we can really see it over the last three
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  Speaker 2: and a half years, follow the science. So science, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you you question, You should be allowed to ask questions.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta ask questions. But what's happened is it's a
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  Speaker 2: popularized science and a politicized science. Right, So the popular
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  Speaker 2: science is let's break it into bullet points and sound
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  Speaker 2: bites that the masses of people will be able to
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  Speaker 2: understand what we want them to understand. We are really
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  Speaker 2: seeing it right now with all the climate things. What's popular.
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  Speaker 2: Let's make let's make our narrative popular. But really it's politicized.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a message that is being sold to the
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  Speaker 2: masses of the people. Hence, let's break this message down.
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  Speaker 2: Let's give it a particular spin we want. We have
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  Speaker 2: to package it in a way that it will be popular,
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  Speaker 2: that people will be able to easily understand it and
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  Speaker 2: grasp it and be able to tell other people about it.
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  Speaker 2: Like a pop song. It's like that. It speaks to
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  Speaker 2: the people's emotions. And then their neighbor says, yes, we
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  Speaker 2: believe the science. You cannot question it. And the last
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  Speaker 2: three and a half years of anybody who questioned the faucies,
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  Speaker 2: the doctors who were experts in the votes the real experts. Right,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: you start looking at him and you realize you have
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: doctor Murcola, and I think it's a Peter McCullough. So
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: you have these different doctors. I have a friend that
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: was a doctor with a particular organization. He asked me
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: not to use his name because he's in a lawsuit
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: right now against his medical former employer, which is I
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: think the largest one in the country. And he said,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I was trained through all through medical school to smell
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: a rat. And he goes, I'm telling you this thing
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: is a rat, and then he would give me all
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the different stats and everything it still does about what's happening. Well,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: he knew he was going to lose his job. He goes,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with it because I was close to retirement. Anyways,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: he goes, there's a lot of young people, young nurses
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and doctors that they've stayed in it because they felt
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: like they still needed a job. And he goes, I
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: feel really bad for some of them. But the problem
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: is they fired everybody that would not that question, that
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: would not conform, that questioned the science. Yep, just like
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: we do, right, we're censored. So we have to say
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: where can we give these messages? And so you pick
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and choose where you can say things where you can't.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: You're censored just for questioning the science. So I get
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: into the science and the well.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Even showing what the couple quotes, I saw it in
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: real life. But to see the quotes too is helpful
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that you know. Fauci started off originally absolutely nobody needs
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to wear a mask. We need to save those masks
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and the health if masks don't do anything unless you're
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: wearing an ninety five. And then all of a sudden,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you know, six months later, he's triple masking, and you're like,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I thought you said these things didn't work. Yeah, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: so this is where you have you know, again, I'm
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: into astronomy, so I think if I go out and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: maybe going to teach an astronomy club or whatever, I'm
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: not going to use my textbook from college in the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: year two thousand and one. I'm going to get the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: latest and greatest because there's especially with all the technology
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: we know a lot more, we're not going to go
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: on those old models. I mean, some of them are
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: still there, but some of them modified, some have been
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: completely cast out. So in this sense, you know, science
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: by definition is automatically changing. And so when people they
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: try to beat you down, and of course they do
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: it again with the censorship or the shaming. That's the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: other thing is we see labeling, throwing names at you, well,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: you're unscientific, as if what I don't want to be unscientific,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Like that's the worst sin in the world, to be unscientific,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: when in reality, those that are questioning are the ones
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that are the real pursuers of knowledge.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you're not following their science, their science,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you're your problem for society. But we in it we
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: see the marginalization of people. Anybody who questions authority, what's
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the authority is their authority? Whatever they say so we
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: can see the technocrats, we can see the whole building
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of the system. They only want one voice, just like
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Joseph Garribols for Hitler. One voice was going to be allowed,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: whatever the Nazi voice was. That was that nothing else
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: was allowed. Whether you are a pastor or a school
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: teacher or a doctor or whatever, you were not allowed
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to say anything that did not agree with.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: The government narrative.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: The government narrative. That is exactly what's happening now. Hence,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: let's close down churches. How is it that with COVID,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: churches were told they weren't essential, but liquor store and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: strip clubs were. You know, those got to stay open,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: but close the churches. It's because of the narrative, and
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: not only that it was so effective that so many
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: churches were exposed for what they really were. I mean,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: how much we've seen wokeism. You know, wocism isn't just
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: people think it's just gender. No, it isn't. Wocism was
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: around the gender talk really got legs over the last year.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: You go back into everything else that that they've been
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: telling us about and you find out, no, wocism is
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: all part of it, and there's pastors that totally just
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: capitulated to the entire narrative, and where people like us
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: were threatened by other pastors, well, how could you keep
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: your church open. We're closing our church.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Let's let's hold in on that. Because not only were
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: were their external pressures, you know, from local governments depending
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: like I lived in Nevada at the time, and our
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: particular sheriff, because they're elected. Our governor was more liberal
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: and was trying to be like Newsome. He doesn't want
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to be Newsome because we're right on the border. But
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: our local sheriff said, I'm here to defend your constitutional rights,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and which is right to gather, freedom of association, right speech.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: You know, he goes, I'm not enforcing any of that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: So for us, we had relative freedom, but for others
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: there was the external pressure. You I'm thinking about MacArthur,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: John MacArthur and all the with the health Department, like
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: they had any authority to do anything anyway, but they
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: came in finds all these other things. But so you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: have these external pressures where you take the average Christian.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: The average Christian generally is nice. They generally are a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: god abiding citizen. You know, they love God, they love
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: their so for them, they were like, I don't want
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to be at odds with the government or the local officials.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: But then what I saw from the internal side was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: or the internal people. So now that you said you
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: get letters from I got letters from people who were angry,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: that were calling, you know, potentially calling names. You're killing people,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, and tell me, maybe unofficially, but you
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: know we're being recorded. But I found that there oftentimes
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you could really understand more just by understanding people's political affiliations.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I didn't realize that they were
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: more liberal in their mind, because you know, you have
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: people you teach them every week and you're teaching like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: you know, straight scripture, and I would expect a little
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: bit more resistance to the word of God. But then
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: when these things came out, I was like, oh, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: they go, oh, you didn't know that they were this,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And I go no, And then they were gone because
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: they wanted to obey the government at all costs. And
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: again that what I saw. Sadly. Hebrews chapter two, verse fourteen,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Satan is the one that pedals in fear, the fear,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: especially those who would be fear of death. That he
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: keeps people in bondage. Many of them Christians would the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: worst thing that could ever happen was that they would die.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: And I go, well, why are you why are you
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: worried about that? I mean, don't you know where you're going?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Paul says, you know, to die is gain. So it's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: interesting how much fear paralyzed them that they wouldn't come
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to church and masks they were in their cars, nobody's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in there with them still masked. It was just it
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: was kind of a strange phenomenon.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I also believe we are witnessing a separation of the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: wheat from the tears. And so the problem is people
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: just if you really believe the Bible, you know, people's
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: churchgoers where the Bible. So will say, well, of course
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I believe the Bible until they're tested, you know, And
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that's really where the proof is made. The evidence is
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: there of what's really going on. And I'm not saying
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: people who stopped coming to church, all the people stop
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: coming to church aren't saved. However, there's a test and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: it's understanding, Hey, how did you know is God trying
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to get a hold of my my heart? Is a
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: hold of my mind. Am I not as strong as
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a Christian as I thought I was. That should be
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: a question that what price. I'm more worried about saving
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: my own life, like job and Satan right skin for
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: skin man will do anything to save his life. And
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: then you you look at shad wreck me, shack in
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: a bed to go what happens? They're threatened with being
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: thrown in the fire. We will not bow to conform.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: We're not going to conform. Now you're gonna tell me
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I can't go to church. In the state of California,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the governor said, hey, you're okay, you can go back
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: to church, but you can't sing. I made sure our
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: church sang louder that Sunday than they ever did before. Well,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: here's something else. We also in the county we are
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: in California. Great Sheriff Chad Bianco, he same way I am.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: There's no way we're gonna We have sheriff that deputies
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: that are part of our church. Right, they were going
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: to enforce it, but still the majority of churches capitulated,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: they're still closed. Even though the sheriff said, no, this
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: is you can see the facts. You could you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you knew everybody that was calling out and questioning the science.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Millions and millions of dead and didn't happen.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: It never never happened. But what happened is it's other
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: church people against other church people were pitted against each other.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Satan was very effective. He separated people and some people
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: as we watch the polls, what do people really believe
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: about the afterlife? What do they believe about the Bible?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: We can see the numbers have plummeted. You know, people say, well,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: if I stay home, I'll read my Bible more. No,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that's not what happens, because when you're separated from uh,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the the fellowship together, where two or three are gathering
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: in my name, I am there with them. And I'm
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: not talking about the shut ins and people who can't
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: get to a church because a lot of people online
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: that's the reality of it. They can't or they're in
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: an area where there isn't The only churches that are
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: in their area are woke exactly. So it's not that
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: it's the people who can get to a church, that
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: it's a Bible teaching church that are making excuses to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: not go. We need each other, We encourage one another,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and all the more as we see the day approaching,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: as Hebrews chapter ten tells, So we're supposed to be
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: doing that, but there's a separation that's going on, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: we can see certain people that are actually stronger in
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: their faith than they ever were before, bolder than they
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: ever were. God is getting a hold of the atheist
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the agnostic because they know something's wrong and they found
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: out the Bible actually does have answers. But what's interesting
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Mondo in if you look back in the history of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the world or just the history of the Church, it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: you have not just the secular society that came against
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and started persecuting Christians, like the Romans, well, the apostle
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Paul before he was Paul, he was sol the persecutor.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And you find out through church history it's been this way.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: What happened to during the Protestant Reformation and the people
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that Tyndale. You start looking at the people that were martyred,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: who are they martyred by the church? Not the Protestant Church,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: but the church at that time that had the authority.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Throughout history, it's been that way. You have the Pharisees
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and Sadducees. The Pharisees were very religious the Sadducees were not,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But guess what they both agreed to get rid of Jesus.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And you look at it and you go, wow, what's happened.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: What has effectively happened also with the shaping and conditioning
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: of culture, is now people are willing to turn into neighbor.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: People might say I would never do that, Well, it
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: just happened. We just lived through it from a whole
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that said I would never turn in
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: my neighbor. How could people believe that kind of thing
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in Nazi Germany? Well, guess what we're seeing people. How
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: many people that were famous said hey, this person won't
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: get the shot. They should all be dead because it
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is all the conditioning process, and we're going further and
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: further down this road. The enemy is not going to stop. No,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: he's moving forward, and he's coming at us from all
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: different angles. Gender confusion, climate laws. Listen, the climate lockdowns
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: are coming. They're all part of this, this whole woken
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Fifteen minute cities and I also am
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: convinced mondol fifteen minute cities are going to be an
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: easy cell. And in a sense they're kind of like
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I like to go for vacation down in Mexico, and people,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: why do you go down to Mexico. I like Mexico
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: for one thing. I love the weather, but I like it,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and I like Mexican food, and I like the culture
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and everything. Yeah, were wonderful. But people say it's dangerous
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: down there. Well, it's a lot more dangerous in Los Angeles,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: let me tell you, or Chicago or New York or
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: any of these. So, but there we go through a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: nice resort and there's it's got big walls, it has
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: guard compound. It's yeah, but it's beautiful. There's golf courses
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: and swimming pools, and restaurants and grocery store. There's it's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: everything you need. Outside the walls is the weeping and
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: nashing of tea. Inside it's great and you like it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: And you start looking at just areas that are for
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: retirement living there. They're wonderful. So they're going to be
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: an easier sell because people are going to be told
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: by the government it's going to be an electronic fifteen
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: minute city. But it's for your safety, your peace. We'll
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: be able to keep the bad elements will get arrested. Well,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: at that time, you and I are going to be
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: named as the bad elements, so will be. It's a conditioning.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Our minds have already been shaped to go that direction.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: We go, Yeah, I get it. My mom and dad
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: lived in a retirement community. It was wonderful. Well, this
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: retirement community is coming in the fifteen minute. Cities ain't
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: gonna be like that. No, it'll be controlling, and it
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: will be devastating to anybody who resists this narrative.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when you think about the going back
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to Nazi Germany, it's interesting to me that oftentimes, and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: this could be for anybody, but what we see in
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the in the educational system is that they're not teaching
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of young people just history, of course, because
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: it's not you know, those who know history are going
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to learn from it or you're doomed to repeat it, right,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the typical phrase. But when you see the censorship or
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: in the indoctrination that you had in Nazi Germany. They
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: were able to control the media, that's the first thing
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they did. They sought to control the churches, and as
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, they had the young the young person's you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: know group, but they knew we have to reach the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: young people, and so in my own I got three daughters,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: all in their you know, or early to mid twenties.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: But I feel bad because, even as you described in
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the book, the those that are eighteen and under, eighteen
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and twenty four fifty seven percent suicide, you know, thoughts
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and other things, because again, where are they getting their information?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for them because you know, they've been
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: born with a smartphone in their hand. They've been born
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: with you know, Marvel, you know, movies and other things,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: all the all the different media. And if you ask somebody,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: well why do you believe that, Well, they just heard
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: it for eight hours or ten hours, or I mean,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: how long is a young person on their phone and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it's not And maybe they're listening to the Bible. That
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: would be great, wouldn't it being filled with the scripture?
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, they're being indoctrinated by worldly thinking.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And and of course, when you think about the gender
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: dysph you that why is it that it was Brown
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: University just reat and you probably saw that it was
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: forty percent of the of the of the or thirty
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to forty percent identified as being non you know, straight,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I guess, well, how did they get there? Because a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: lot of them are alone. A lot of them are lonely.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: So what do you do? You find somebody? If you
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: didn't have social media, you might not find a friend.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: But there, all of a sudden, now you're included. They're
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: automatically celebrated. I mean, it's a matter of taking advantage
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of people's loneliness and sadness and other things. But you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: do it in a way that dishonors God goes away
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: from biology. But what I feel bad because they have
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: no other opportunity except to learn this from that. So
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: why would we expect So when you fast forward to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: getting the market the masses, Oh what do I got
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to do? It's the total sheet mentality.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you look at what's happened to the family
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: in the Western world. Totally destroyed, and it's been attacked
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: for a long time. A family, heterosexual, mom and dad,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: kids at home, raise them in the church, you know,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and so forth right, that's been destroyed. It's been attacked
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: through media, through Hollywood for a long time. Divorces really high. Well,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: what happens to the children is everything you're describing. They're
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: devastated and you are lonely, you know, and you look
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: at the foster care system. What happens to all those kids?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: And you realize, hey, if you break up the family,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: these kids, we've got them isolated now the devil right, yep,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: it's got a isolated now. They send them off to school.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Guess what, there's a group for you. And this group
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: is full of a whole bunch of people who are
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: confused and everything is that they're accepted, their love, they're
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: feeling all these things. It's terrible. This is the reason
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: why we need to do what we can to minister
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the hope that we have in the Lord Jesus Christ.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you we know that after the rapture, during
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the tribulation, that there are people that are going to
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: be saved, every tribe, nation, tongue and people. The biggest
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: turning to Christ in the history of the world will
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: happen during the tribulation. But also it's going to be
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the most painful one. And at the same time, what's
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: coming against them is going to be far worse than
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: anything this world has ever experienced before. We have the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: opportunity while we are here to get the hope of
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the Gospel out. I look at my studio crew, who's
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: here with me today. They're all young. My son's one
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: of them, and then two other young men. They're between
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: nineteen and twenty three years old, and they got to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: listen to me all day. Any guests like you or
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: whoever else I have on. But still, especially when you're young,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: your mind is you want to be liked, you want
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to be accepted, you want to have fun, you want
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to feel part of a group. You don't want to
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: feel like nobody cares about you. Will gravitate toward just
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: wherever those you're going to do it. I remember, you know,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I was in high school a long time ago, almost
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: fifty years ago, and I look back and think, I
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: remember what I felt. I remember my freshman and sophomore
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: year in high school. Didn't have any friends. You know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: it was a new school, it was a public school.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I came from a Catholic school. Yeah, I didn't get
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: any of this stuff. And it wasn't until my junior year,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: my senior year, before I had any friends. But I
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: remember the loneliness. And I'm tell you, a group comes
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: up and accepts you for the way you are, you
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: will gravitate toward that. And I think this is partly
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: a failure of the Christian just letting other people care
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: about the kids, you know, and and know we need
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to express who Christ is to people when we come
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: in contact with them, and especially young people, because what's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: happening is absolutely awful.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I'd be curious, you know, just to have a survey
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: done of you know, people under twenty five, you know,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: or maybe like go go back to Brown University where
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: what's your view of the Bible? Is the Bible true?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Is there can there be any truth in the Bible?
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Do you have a positive view of the Bible? And
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: this is just the way again that the Bible has
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: been twisted into our from the beginning Genesis three. I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: mean that, you know, did God really say? And so
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you have the confusion there, and then you have others
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that seek to to hijack the Bible and they say,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: oh no, the Bible condones this, don't you know. It's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: these funny duddy fundamentalists whatever they are interpreting it wrong.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But the real meaning of these of the language you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: is released to maybe homosexuality or something like that. No, no, no,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: that's not what it means. That's not what it means.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: And so it's a twist and a turn, and then
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you can go, oh, see what God really wants is
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: as long as I'm happy in a in a covenantal relationship,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who it's with. It could even be
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: with an animal. It doesn't matter. As long as I'm
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: happy and it's and I'm monogamous, God ordains it. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, no, you know you didn't read what
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Jesus said in Matthew nineteen. But it's that's the confusion
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that you have.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: It is, Yeah, whatever it makes me happy, that's what
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: God wants me to be happy. Well, Jesus said, deny
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: yourself and pick up your cross and follow me. That's
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: what Jesus said. He said, I am the truth, and
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: they say, well, live your own truth. Well, what's the truth?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: No one comes to the Father except by me. That's
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: what Jesus says. It's interesting, what do you believe about
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the Bible? I think that's a great question. I should
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: go to a college and ask people that question.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Do you have a positive idea?
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: And we and we know the narrative. You've all known
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Harari and his ilk. Hey, we need ai to write
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: a Bible. A new body that's got it. Correct. That
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: does religion correct. In other words, this book is wrong,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: We've got the right way of doing it, and that
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: that does go back to Genesis. Did God really say that?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Even God didn't really say that. He knows when you
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: eat the fruit in the midst of the garden from fun,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: he's he's keeping you from fun. You will be like him.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: You'll be like God. You're not gonna die. And this
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: is what they're hearing. This is what's coming out of
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the World Economic Forum, this is what's coming out of
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Silicon Valley, that exact message, you're not gonna die. AI
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: has you, it's got the answer. We really this is
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: really God. And guess what this is. This is what's real.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: You will even not just not die, You're gonna be
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: like God. You'll you'll be like the God you think
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: you used to think existed. No, that's gonna be you.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know here you and I are.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: We're you know, we're according to wokeism, we're to old
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: white guys. Okay, we're the last people that they would
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: ever want want anybody to listen to because of of
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: just that stereotype right there at the beginning. But you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: maybe somebody's just listening to this and they're not seeing us.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: But you know.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: What, we're nobody, right, I mean, we're nobody in this scheme,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: especially the world. We consider us nobody. But we're messengers.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: We're messengers here to share that. We're here to share
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: God's message, God's eternal word, his standards, his design right,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: his original design. But also to say that the reason
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: why I'm so passionate about it, and you are too,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: as pastors, why do we give our lives to doing that,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: is because we know that there's eternity at stake, there's lies,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: there's exception. We don't even want to say, you know
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: it's coming, because one of the defining characteristics, whether it's
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Jesus in Matthew twenty four or Paul and Saktithsonians, or
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: even in the book Revelation, let no one deceive you.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And what we're seeing now is more and more. What's
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the opposite of discission?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Well? Truth?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Well, where do we get that from? Well, we know
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that the only place that we can truly get it
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: from is the Scripture, God's truth.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Amen. In fact, if we don't have the Bible,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: we will be deceived. It's the only thing that's really
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: going to keep us from being deceived. So when we
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: think what Jesus say, be careful that no one deceives you.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Then he says, for many will come in my name
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and claim that they are the Christ. This is what's happening.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Also with the advancement of technology and ai y'v all
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Harari know we're going to rewrite the Bible. We have
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: all these different versions of a Messiah like figure in
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: technology in and of itself, it's exploding right now. So
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: when Jesus says many are going to come in my
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: name saying I am the Christ, these things are being
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: promoted by wicked men and wicked women that are here
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: on this planet. It's so without the Word to guide
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: you through these things, you're you're not gonna make it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: You will be deceived. I find this interesting. You talked
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: about two white guys sitting here talking mean older than
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: you and and who's gonna believe us? Well interesting, we're
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: both heterosexual. So there's different people I follow that are secularists.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: They're they're not Christian by any stretch of the imagination,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: and I find them pushing against the wokeism. Bill Maher atheist, right,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: they're seeing it. They're seeing it and they know something
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: is wrong. Uh. Dave Rubin, who I believe is married
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to his a man, you know he's but I listened
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to his podcast and here the things he says. Apart
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: from that, Yeah, he's these there's a wake up that's happening.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And you know, one of the reasons I did this
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: book is not just to I want the believer to
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: be strengthened, to have their answers that they need to
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: really give depth and to help the prophecy person to
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: to understand things that they likely did not understand before.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: So I really wanted that to happen, but also to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: give to someone like that's just that is willing to
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: be critically thinking and say, Okay, what's really going on?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Somebody just has that question, and so it's putting it
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: all together and leading people to understanding. Look, we're able
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to put a book like this together because of what
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the Bible says, and you do the reverse engineering. You know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I talked about World War One and World War Two
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: in the book and what came out of that and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: where we are today. You're able to go a walk
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: through history, but say we're able to land here because
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the Bible tells us this, and without the Bible we
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: will be deceived. So so great is the deception Jesus
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: even said himself that if possible, even the elect would
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: be deceived. But praise God, he says, if possible. In
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: other words, it's not possible, but if it was, the
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: deception will be so great. They'll be deceived. Not just
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: the deception, but also the shaming, the manipulating, the fear mongering,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: all of these different things that are happening that are
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: going to cause people to just say, I give people
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: on the planet to get to the point to willingly
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: receive the deception even though they know it's a lie.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Second Peter chapter three, they'll be willfully ignorant. Where's the
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: promise of coming out now? They'll be wilfully ignorant. They
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: will choose ignorance. They'll choose to deny the truth. And
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: what the other dynamic we see happening in two Timothy
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: chapter three, a form of godliness but denying the power thereof.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: It's so true. One of the things that I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: that I appreciated you talking about in the book, because
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: at the time we actually when I first came here.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years now, but one of
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the first things that I did was is the vaccine
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the mark of the beast. And it's like, uh no,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it's not. I mean, there's so many reasons why but that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: But however, but even though we say no, we still say,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: but what we saw over the last couple of years
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: is going back to this word conditioning for people, because
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: when you come to that final point, in the mid
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: midpoint of the tribulation, the Bible gives us this snapshot.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: This is what's happening. It has the mark as an
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: economic it has a political connection, it's it's got a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: universal connection and everybody. And so again, looking backwards, we go, well,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: how could you do that? I mean, how could you
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: do that without technology? But then now when we look
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: at the so this is what costs people for so long,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: even thirty years ago. Oh yeah, cashless society, cashless society,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, what is that guy saying? He's a crackpot?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: But now here we are, we're and what the Bible
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: is simply saying is, hey, guys, if we sum rise
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: marking the masses is looking at this unique event that's
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: going to be in the future. But to say, if
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: we if we just uh, take that event and describe
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: how it could take place with all these technologies and
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: other things political, governmental, whatever, and then to again reverse backwards,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: go hmmm, check check check right now in the moment.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, I would say totally in the moment.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: So and I think, as you know, we have to
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: be as Christians, I guess I'll say it this way.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: We don't we don't know, and we can't assume. I
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: believe in the pre trip rapture of course all the way.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: But we could have full complete, total totalitarian non sovereignty
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: on America's gone before the tribulation even begins.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: We could.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: We can observe all that. There's no guarantee that that
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: like the Ten Kings that you know, whatever that means,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and that organizational structure whatever that looks like, even the
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: coming global order, all that could be well in place,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: even potentially years before the tribulation begins. There's no promise
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that that's that it only happens in the midpoint. We
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: just know that by then it does, and then of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: course Satan has the mark. We do know the mark
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: is in the midpoint. I'm that's one hundred percent true.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: But all the rest of the stuff.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Totally agree, one hundred percent agreeing. People get I'm sure
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: they get angry at you for saying that, because they
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: get angry at me for saying I say, Look, we
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: could see the system of the Ten Kings happen, because
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: all we know from Daniel chapter seven, verse twenty four
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: is the ten Kings have to be in place before
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Antichrist yep, because they give the power to Antichrist. In
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Daniel chapter seven, verse twenty four says after these ten
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: then ANTIQ.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: How long are they wrong?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Could they be five?
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Ten years?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe it could be I. So we're this is what's happening.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: The system is being built, so it's understanding. All we
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: know for sure is the rapture is going to take
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: place before the seven year tribulation begins, before Antichrist confirms
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: that covenant of Daniel chapter nine. We know it's going
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: to take place before that, but we don't know when
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the day or the hour is of the confirmation of
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: the covenant. We don't know that. So how can we
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: know the day or the hour of the rapture? We
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: know what happened before that, but we don't know. We
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: see things happening with Israel. We can tell the dynamics.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: We get a good idea of the time frame we're
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: in the latter days, no doubt about it, at the
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: end of the eight But what does that mean a week?
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Or does that mean five years or ten years? Boy?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: When I say that, Boy do I get people mad
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: when I've said that.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: But they're no, no way, Hey, don't assume anything.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Don't assume anything. Promise the rapture since nineteen eighty eight,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: every single year and listen, we just our concern is
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: that people would be strong in the Lord. They would
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: have a sharp mind, critically thinking about everything, not be
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: easily swayed. Because if you think you're going to be
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: out of here next week because you're promised next week,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: you're going to be a raption r Well what exactly? Well,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: every fall, every fall, and you're here a month later,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: you're going to be greatly discouraged. Anxiety is going to
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: overwhelm you, and you're going to be You're going to
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: be swayed. And and God doesn't want us to be
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: that way. He wants us to be have a sound
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: mind and understand what his word does say so we
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: go through his word, we hope the rapture today, Hey,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I hope I'm in. I would be. I would be
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: so excited to get raptured right this second, man, I
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: would be. I would prefer that. I would prefer that
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: we don't need the angry emails, and we don't do
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that for this. We want people to be well educated
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: and to be strong, and so that's why we do
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: what we do.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to I don't want people to
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: be left with the impression that we, at least for me,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: that we think that twenty twenty three is the same
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: we're in the same worldwide situation that we were in
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight. Well, of course, not that we are
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: well on the way. It's way different. We've seen things
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: progress from nineteen eighty eight or nineteen ninety four, you know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: all these times when the even twenty eleven Harold Camping,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you know, May twenty first describing the rapture is going
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to happen. So there's no doubt. Every seems like every week,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: every month that goes by, all these these stage setting
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: things are getting more and more developed, they are getting
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: more and more mature. So no doubt we are on
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the final run. But that's but how far along that
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: final run we don't know.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Right Well, that's why I wrote the book because listen,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: we are seeing it. It is coming together every day.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: It's like you wake up and you go, oh, hey,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I can't did this really happen? So I wrote the
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: book with that urgency. But I'm not foolish enough to say, hey,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna sell everything and I'm gonna run up
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: my credit cards and not do anything. No, as pastors,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: we get, especially ones who like Bible prophecy, we can
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: see the finish line. What does every single runner in
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: any race do when they see the finish line? Man,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: the ones that are in last place are running harder
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: than they were the rest of the race. The ones
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: they're all running as if they're gonna get the prices,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: if they're gonna win. So that's what we do. We
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: inspire one another, We encourage one another. We hope for today.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: We can see the finish line. Hence the book, Hence
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: prophecy watchers ministry, hence everything that I do. We do
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: these things because we say, wow, it is all coming together. Baby,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: look up and lift up your head because your redemption
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: draws near, but I'm not gonna quit. I'm going to
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: run through the finish line as hard as I poss can.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, and as we as we think about
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: this topic, I want to remind everybody to you know,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: you're going to be at our conference here in UH
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: in October in Norman, and for those you can watchers
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Weekend dot com you can take a listen as well
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: as uh be a part of our live stream if
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: you can't be there. So we're gonna have a great time,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: continue to teach and preach. But thank you guys for
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: listening today. Tom, thanks for being here marking the masses
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: your new book out. I encourage everybody to get it
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and go to our bookstore. It's there, and UH it's
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: just it's a great summary of all that's happening and
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: where we're going.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. Great being here with you, Mondo.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys, listening everybody, and we'll see you next time.