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Talks to Simon Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of Genesis of the Daleks (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt. Penknife the Doctor Who comment
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  we podcast that is falling to. It's certain death.
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  Unless the happens to be a convenient place.
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  Legend Anita's, what are the chances of that very unlikely?
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  If you ask me, welcome back to Genesis of the Daleks.
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  This is part three joined by the effervescent mr.
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  Joseph. Say hello Joe.
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  Hello. Joe and the stately Simon hot.
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  Say hi, say. Hi Sy.
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  Stately, have you seen them in bed?
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  Also, People boots or people already are what you're doing
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  about. That's the one bit of smart.
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  We're allowed it for an egg, a doctor, who story.
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  So stop it now we got. All right, gentlemen, how will
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  be enjoying the story so far? All right Miss.
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  It's all right, it's nothing special, is it?
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  Snow planet of evil is a Time. Dalek story.
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  Best story. Yeah, I forgot about that now.
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  I was thinking about it earlier on because there's lots of
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  really best. Dalek stories aren't there?
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  So. This is the best, Dalek story
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  about their creation. What's your favorite then?
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  My favorite is and always will be power of the Daleks.
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  I think that's just an exceptional script.
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  I'm thinking of remembrance which is just wonderful, isn't
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  it? But that's the best story that's
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  about the Daleks No, I can see where your support coming from.
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  I think we discussed this a little bit when we did talk
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  about remembrance Jewel, I think you don't power is a phenomenal
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  good story for because has another job to do.
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  With a more important job is run and tell the story about the
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  Daleks is to introduce us to a new doctor.
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  And so it's a very clever way of doing that is to, you know, put
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  your new doctor up against an old for one that, you know, very
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  well inside and out. And then That inside out and see
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  actually they are not the all-powerful all-conquering you
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  know tanks that they have been in the past the I know on the
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  back foot and they are being very sneaky and very subversive
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  and very underhanded about it. So that's really good in that
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  respect remembrance again, is just a fantastic sort of soft
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  reboot of the show at that point.
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  It's so new series that story. so, in terms of the storytelling
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  and the direction, their action in the characterization that
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  goes on in there, that it is, again a really fantastic story
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  but you know where Genesis stands out for me is some that
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  have already discussed is the fact that no, the not really
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  about the Daleks, it's a Dalek story, but the Daleks are sort
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  of The Phantom Menace, is it were, you know, the other, the
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  shadowy figures the other room and That this thing that's kind
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  of stalker in towards us. That we know what it's going to
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  be under. That just makes it all the more
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  powerful. Also, the thing, it stands this
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  story up is the script in as well, you know, we haven't come
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  to those, you know, fantastic moments that everyone remembers
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  this story for but the are in there, you know, the do I have
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  the right? And you know, would you crush
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  the capsule all of these, you know, fantastic scenes with
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  that. Still to come or what gives it a
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  nudge above remembrance. For me.
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  I applaud you for getting both remembrance of the Daleks and
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  The Phantom Menace in the same sentence.
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  Well done, Fraser a first, I believe.
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  Wow. How do we follow that?
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  We can if it's owed free of Genesis of the Daleks.
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  Well actually I can't see it. Oh, go on your well, do it.
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  Okay. Okay, in five, four, three, two,
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  one. Go.
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  Now, I can reveal that this episode features.
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  My favorite bits of Dudley Simpson music, regards city of
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  death. Yes, I will be be be pointing
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  that out very shortly now. No.
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  No, because we're not there yet, but I'm watching it without the
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  music playing. Well, you'll never know, it'll
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  be like a one minute warning so I can tell now.
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  Oh, well, thank you. Oh my God, you know, I think we
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  haven't discussed yet. Also, that, which is traditional
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  for us to us in hamster with a blunt, penknife is the opening
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  credits. This last week discuss those
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  opening credits when we did the Armageddon factor in the
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  invasion of time and the Aztecs and Tara and the ambassador's of
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  deaf. And it's old hat now Fraser,
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  honestly, Well, that's me. Stuck in the past.
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  Yes. Okay, awesome. ^.
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  You told just a minute ago to begin that, episode about your
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  favorite dog stories and I had one overriding for in my head.
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  I'll put a hurry. Love you guys.
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  I really loved all this is my happy place.
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  Although seeing Sarah Jane tortured.
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  Like this is not my happy place Todd.
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  Just love to give you a one minute warning.
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  Oh my god really, yes, really wow.
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  Okay, so I'm going to turn it up just so I can hear.
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  Hang on. Okay, here we go because it is.
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  I just love. I think it's just a phenomenal
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  piece of music. That isn't a bit where they
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  finally at the top. Yeah.
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  Oh, it's so good. It's definitely doing Thing that
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  badly does but just brilliantly. Can you talk us through it?
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  Please, I can. So, here we go, here we go,
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  guys. It is coming in now as they
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  climb up, here we go. And it's just got that Rising
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  bit. It's really dramatic.
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  So, here we go. And what he's doing here.
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  He's using the heartbeat or bum, bum bum bum and it's it's really
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  increasing the tension all the time and is slated to his acting
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  her socks off. I think this is one of her best
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  scenes ever. She is terrified up here and
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  he's his music is showing sort of the height and the full as
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  well with the way he plays it. I'll let you get a chance.
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  Yeah. As she jumps.
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  Here we go. Bop, bop, bop bop, father, you
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  get your moment of Triumph and she's, she's done it.
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  She's got over and they're gonna get out and the music's rising
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  and they're going to get out and you can feel it and Dudley is
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  dragging you along with this. And then rising bump stops.
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  That is just beautiful. I think that is just incidental
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  music in Doctor, Who at its best, because he is adding to
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  the tension of the scene. But it's also really.
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  It's also really hummable as somebody who really understands
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  how to score drama. Yes.
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  And and to kind of elevate. What's already?
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  Very well-executed? Yeah and this is nasty.
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  This is General Von Karma for a lower low dangling, Sarah Jane
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  off the top of the rocket. It's that's horrible.
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  It is. It's all.
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  It's a disk. Yeah.
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  And a doctor is a very often. No.
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  But it's her performance. She yeah.
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  Absolutely slate. And selling that.
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  It's her, she is terrified and she is tired.
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  And there is something to the argument that I've heard on FTE
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  quite a lot that what Sarah Jane goes through in the Hinchcliffe
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  years. It's horrible.
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  It's appalling, you know, And that's a great.
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  Now thing I do want to see about that scene.
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  Apart from the music that really sets it out.
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  Is the Stars, it's dark, it's really dark and you can see
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  stars that really is just again that little bit of effort to to
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  sell that this is, you know yeah.
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  Ava Jerome is outside what I'd also like there's a POV shot
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  looking down the ladder so it gives it a sense of scale and I
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  think that's something this story does really.
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  Well is give you a sense of scale.
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  Oh God here we go. Is this a weakness?
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  Is Tom Baker, having to act like these beating a polystyrene,
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  climb over the head with a polystyrene Rock.
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  The weakness of this story, potatoes, one or two though,
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  he's selling this. He is doing good work there to
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  sell that. He's in pain.
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  Some, this is going on the way he yells.
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  Oh no, I can see the Rocks wobbling.
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  Oh dear. That's the first production
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  error. You know what was really nice
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  eyes when they first go into this?
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  There's all the dripping you can hear of that.
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  The sound effects are doing a bit of the work, aren't they?
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  Yeah, did the clams are definitely at every nation
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  additional think that the Mach 1 travel machine.
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  So that's an old joke, that's not mine, but why does it always
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  mean? It was a fucking it is great.
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  Is he does, because that's a nice callback to the Ark in
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  space, where he does the same. Hmm.
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  Yeah. And yet, we do not.
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  I think there's a naturalism to his performers in this, whereas
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  in the Arkin space is he's played up quite a lot, isn't it?
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  Like yesterday. He's brought the character down
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  for this story again because I think because everyone knows, It
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  required. That's the level of acting that
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  is required for this story. Did you see his hands either?
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  Absolutely covered in soil was filthy, yeah, they're kind of is
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  a nice dirty story. This isn't it?
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  Well, I think as well, the starkness of the Quarry.
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  And all of that outside really highlights well, with the, the
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  pristine designs down in the bunker.
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  Yes. Because you couldn't get away
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  with those white cloves. If you were on the surface being
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  a losses, this is what why? They're the elite they're
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  dressed in white. They're dressed for work.
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  Not the scar over version of Das As Ross,
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  but even the scientists have got like those thought of Nazi s
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  collars, haven't they? Yeah.
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  It's a design whole its you feel.
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  It's a culture. Yeah, and I do like the sort of
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  the clinical, the sterile nature of their costumes.
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  Yes. And the clinical nature of the
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  design. There's nothing.
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  There's nothing. Beautiful in this world.
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  Everything is Stark. There's no artwork.
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  There's nothing. It's silver.
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  It's gray. And things as well, which no one
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  ever notices, but it's just that tiny detail that helps, you
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  know, I notice it in episode 1 of this story.
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  It's the first time I've ever noticed it and I've seen this
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  story many times. You know that's the joy of
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  watching these over. And over there is that you do s
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  lots of like that. This fellow is quite good as
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  well. Isn't it?
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  The one with the moustache? Yeah, their leader counselor
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  maugrim. Yeah, you lucky that.
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  I had to talk over the incidental music, I was out of
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  done with bullets, whistling round them, Sarah, and severing,
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  climbed higher, and okay, so let's just recap suicide.
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  When did you first come across the story?
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  I now I have, I suspect I had the target book.
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  Read to me fairly early on. Before I heard the cassette, I
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  knew the story before then because I can remember picking
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  Nowt, the hardback with the Chris achilleas cover because it
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  was just brilliant and how I'm, because I'd suggest aney.
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  I wanted another story with bath Ross.
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  So it was, yeah, it was one of those stories that was always
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  there. Then, on my sixth birthday in
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  1981. The 7th July 1981, I went and
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  spent my birthday money on buying the Genesis of the Daleks
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  tape and my first target books. So, then I saw it in 1982 when
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  it Repeated. And then I saw it again when
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  super Channel repeated it in 1989, which was on our cable TV
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  in bracknell. And then the week after they've
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  shown episode 1 and 2 bracknell cable decided, they were not
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  going to have super Channel anymore and so I think he got
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  episodes 1 & 2 on video. So and then obviously, I bought
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  the BBC video when it came out and then the day and then the
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  Blu-ray and the virtual reality helmet when that comes out.
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  Exactly. So what about you two?
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  Well for me it was the the cut down the tape.
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  That's the first time I heard this and and I just sound like
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  the most exciting thing ever because they use them use.
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  It was actually the soundtrack of the yeah it was.
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  What certain musical scene the radiation?
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  Yeah. You know that bit where the
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  camera pans up into the door when he goes over to the other
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  side. And there's that kind of like so
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  that was the first when I first saw it I felt really long
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  because the tape was just takes an hour but I was really struck
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  at how dramatic it was and it's just a story of that has gained
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  momentum for me. Me every time I've watched it.
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  I think I've enjoyed it more and yet we're the enough like caves
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  of androzani. It's a story.
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  I don't go back to you very often because I'm usually in the
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  mood for classic series to cheer me up and this is fucking
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  miserable. There's some yeah, it's brutal
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  and fatalistic and everyone dies, you know, and, you know,
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  like a be depressing enough as it is.
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  I don't know, I don't know, switch on the news and then
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  watch Genesis of the Daleks, you know, fact and fiction.
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  So how about you Fraser? So for me this would have been
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  the 1982 repeat on the BBC you know when the BBC were repeating
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  series story from every doctor. Yeah, and I remember this
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  correctly because I was record them off the Telly to watch and
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  I think I we were on holiday for part 1 and so I think I set the
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  timer for it would have been was it?
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  The green death at the showed from the per week previously.
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  Now, it was on the sea devil seed of and the beam at the sea
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  devil, send a demon. So the demons thought I was the
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  one preceding this? Yeah.
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  So this is on January 1993. I think I set the timer on the
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  to we call it a before leaving and I could tape that but I
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  couldn't set the timer for the next week, whatever reason.
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  So I actually missed episode 19. So I come in an episode to fell
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  in love with With the story from that.
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  And it was probably a good seven years before I found someone who
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  had cable, who would let me come around and watch.
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  It's 8:30 in the morning episode, 1 of Genesis of the
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  Daleks the week on bbc2 one a week.
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  Yeah. Oh, so Friday night watching
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  this with these fabulous Cliffhangers and then having to
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  wait a week to find out what happened next.
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  Absolutely, how old was your bin then I've been to both.
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  Oh my God, you must have been absolutely perfect age for this
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  one. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I mean, cause I told, you know,
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  I can talk about, you know, is this suitable for kids?
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  It's It's kids are going to love this.
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  Your kids are gonna love, you know, saying people getting shot
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  and that's what kids like could like action.
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  You know it's you know what my said it works differently, is it
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  when you're an adult because you do pick up on those things you
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  know as a kid you just going to go nobody's in it in a trench
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  prop knuckle that's cool. Oh look at that whole getting
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  shot. Ha ha.
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  But whereas when you were growing up you think I got ya.
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  I wonder if kids have a page. Patience for the 4 episode 5,
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  which is basically an extended dialogue scene, I think they
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  would because it's davros and there's something that draws
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  that kids love. Please go just as I did.
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  Hmm. Absolutely.
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  He was terrifying but there was something was fascinating as
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  well. And will you love how Charming
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  is here? Was an investigation?
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  Yes, love courtly. Well then maybe come on.
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  And when he goes when he goes to talk to the falls later in this
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  episode He's doing the deception and he's absolutely and
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  completely believable. That's when I really, when I was
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  watching this, I think that's when I was like, wow, this is
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  really different. It's a he's damn thing to the
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  other side and he's going to murder his entire people just to
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  keep these experiments going like that that elevates him.
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  Doesn't it Howard. That's megalomania that
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  seriously is I love that. Neither is the only person who
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  can challenge him, but even he knows when to back off and the
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  delivery of the library, goes the whole of the Khalid race.
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  You would go that far. It's like he's, he's thinking,
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  oh my God, what's going on? You could see it in his eyes.
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  He's shocked gone too far then but then he snaps back to being
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  neither and he's there with davros because he knows that's
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  his survival. Well, this is it.
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  Now you dad doesn't challenge stuff or Schneider is completely
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  on board. Now you do is dive Ross's man
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  through and through, you know, there isn't a line that divorce
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  can cross from Nida. He's just showing that you know,
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  that was Nader's sort of like I don't know.
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  What a great moment, you know, my gonna, you know, stand with
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  them on or not, you go that far. Yep, yep.
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  Today guys, tell me that they play on that layer on.
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  Don't they? Where there's the sequence where
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  he pretends to defect and betray davros and, you know, the
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  delivery of that light. Thank you.
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  That's what I wanted to know. It's so and little that short of
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  this didn't need to. I don't bet it's not in the
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  script so it's a mammal. Only choice where davros is
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  murdering. In episode 6 and there's this
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  huge zoom in on my daughter's face is and he's smiling and
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  it's the only time he smiles in the whole story.
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  I think. So what do you think then is the
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  relationship between Davos and nadir by threats of think I
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  reckon they were fucking at some point man and henchmen.
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  That's it. I think I think it could be I
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  think I think maybe may be back with more.
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  I wonder if davros was once a very beautiful man you know
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  before whatever happened but it was Rory Jennings Wilson a off
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  of the idiots Lantern and leave very pretty isn't.
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  Yeah. What's that first doing here in
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  the Falls city but he's so convincing in this thing this
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  yeah. You know I'm no longer convinced
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  by words, I said that racism and nationalism.
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  Yeah, it's that sneaky element of the Daleks isn't it?
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  But he knows the weakness of the falls and particular phone
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  leader that will do anything after a thousand years to win
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  the war. And he's Playing on that
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  weakness. And he says a fantasy of this
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  man and he plays on that and he's giving him everything he
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  wants. I mean, you know what this is
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  this is like, this is for TV, we get now this is like Game of
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  Thrones, where they would wipe out whole bunches of people.
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  I mean, yeah, this is politics. This is serious, dr.
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  Daniel is all really, wouldn't? It wouldn't be, wouldn't
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  normally kind of take the consequences this far.
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  Would it like, in the doll? Nice.
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  You know, when we Never going to see yeah we said the Daleks stop
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  because they turn the electricity off basically.
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  Yeah. Where is this?
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  Just feels like, it's got real Stakes, you know.
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  Yes. What if the files have turned
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  around and said no we don't believe you what would happen
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  then but he knows that their deaths there is desperate as the
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  Khalid people to win. Can I say something that might
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  not put me in a particularly good light though?
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  Because I you know, is such a sneaky bugger are going off and
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  then you know saying she'll she'll the Dome, kill them all
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  and then he goes back and he's like, right?
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  Send out the Daleks and kill all of it and I'm like, he's Rock
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  exactly what is so fucking Cole, right?
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  Honestly of all time. It's so smooth.
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  Is it a bit later on? Right, where is sitting at
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  Absolute silence just tapping his finger on his wheelchair.
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  That's cool. That's its, is full of pointing
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  is just knows what's happened. And he just needs that time.
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  You can just hear the Rattler gunfire.
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  Come on you as they're coming through.
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  You know, he's such a good character.
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  Like, can you see why after this?
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  It was like, yeah, we've got have davros.
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  Yeah. It's a good thing or not.
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  No, I think I think he has things as welcome.
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  I think they have to find excuses to write him in.
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  I think probably revelation of the Daleks is the only time ways
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  decently characterized after this.
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  But I can see why. On the back of this, this is
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  such a success while they said, yeah, let's let's have him bag
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  because again, it's that scene, isn't it?
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  Of the doctor and Devils talking one-on-one.
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  That does it that elevates it? That the doctor is like the
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  doctor and the master. Yeah.
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  It's it's the equal and opposite and davros becomes the equal and
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  opposite but he's the creator of Of the doctors archenemies which
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  makes it even worse. And it is a bit of a shows that
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  sneaky admiration on both sides. You get particularly as builds
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  later on. I have said at the end of
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  Destiny diet, I think Tom Baker's pretty scary that a
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  frost, but he's not really taken that relationship seriously at
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  along a not like he is here, but I think in Resurrection, when
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  you get that wonderful scene, where P Davison silently as
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  holding the gun and like, swallowing Going deep and I can
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  I do this. It's a great thing.
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  Yeah, and then that's elevated. Again with divorces
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  characterization in Revelation of the Daleks of that, that
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  whole sequence between the sick daughter and avril's that is one
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  gently slide off and then big finish capitalize on that and do
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  davros, which is the ultimate davros story as it should be
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  Frasier. And I said in remembrance, like
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  davros comes along at the end and it's a lie.
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  Unimaginable. That's what that's gone.
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  I think I am quite capable of handling the technology.
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  That's the doctor didn't divorce.
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  What devops is doing the fallacy, always known exactly
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  giving him what he wants. You know, exactly how to hold a
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  player like a fiddle to get what he wants Outlets or and I'm
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  gonna, you know what? I'm gonna praise you in Bleach a
• 26:14
  bit because I think the sequence where the doctor and davros
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  Talking Journey's End where he says, about how many people have
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  you killed, that's really powerful.
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  And I know. So I we're not a big, we don't
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  love The Magician's Apprentice and the Witch's familiar.
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  But I think the games that the doctor and davros Pat play in
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  that second episode, and there's a moment where you think, I'll
• 26:42
  maybe maybe he's on the level here and maybe and then he turns
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  around and you love it because he's I think the conclusion
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  there is are even if davros isn't necessary, you can usually
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  get a decent doctor davros seeing up every story and that's
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  what you want. Oh and it looks at the screen
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  for a while execution. Going on.
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  Oh dear. Oh dear.
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  Oh dear. Oh no.
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  Wait. You know what?
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  This is a good cliff and I think yeah because he's trapped now.
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  He can't save Sarah and Harry. Oh yeah.
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  Who have just been shot or shells?
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  No, no. First of all or at the moment we
• 27:30
  don't know that they're going. Well we don't know that they're
• 27:31
  going to get back in time and be shelled or whatever.
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  We don't know what happens to them last.
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  We've seen is they've crawled underneath.
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  The corridor ducting, the floor, and then the file soldiers.
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  Have just fired into a point-blank range.
• 27:46
  So they're dead. And we wait a little bit into
• 27:48
  the next episode only single for a long time.
• 27:52
  Yeah, that's unusual. But minutes.
• 27:54
  I think something like that. So we're getting in the next
• 27:56
  episode and it's at the reprise of the doctor wakes up the
• 28:00
  countdown. The rocket launchers yams came
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  down and he says I sent hurry and Sarah in a row.
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  In that should be a cliffhanger that should be.
• 28:10
  That was the Cliffhanger on the album version.
• 28:14
  The air was actually a cousin here then Fraser know what has
• 28:19
  to be done. Ross stats Ross yeah proclaiming
• 28:24
  the new race that Will Rise From the Ashes?
• 28:27
  Third Dalek oh that would have been a great Cliff I thought?
• 28:30
  Yeah. So as free could Cliffhangers we
• 28:34
  don't actually get. So was there a bit of that?
• 28:37
  And it happened a bit at this period then or episodes over
• 28:41
  under or over running and having to just switching things around
• 28:45
  shove things about a bit because again, the Cliffhanger 2 episode
• 28:48
  5 is made up on the spot because the episodes under running so
• 28:54
  that it's a bit of false jeopardy.
• 28:57
  With Tom Baker, with the clock mutant wasn't supposed to be the
• 29:00
  Cliffhanger. The Cliffhanger was Post to be
• 29:02
  have I the right, but the timings were out how interesting
• 29:08
  my garden. I mean I think that would have
• 29:10
  been a great Cliff Hanger as well.
• 29:12
  That would have been one of the most important Cliffhangers in
• 29:15
  Doctor. Who although I certainly think
• 29:17
  that the mutant one is one of the more graphic type hangers
• 29:19
  that we yeah Todd Baker As we will get to plays it incredibly
• 29:24
  incredibly real. Well boys, we've done three
• 29:29
  episodes of Genesis of the Daleks.
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  But we're not going to do the rest of my eye.
• 29:37
  So let's hope that the entire the what's occurring on skaro
• 29:41
  does not happen on planet Earth between now.
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  And when we reconvene Fingers crossed.