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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane LIVE at Broncos Camp 8-15-24 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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Speaker 4: We're joined by our good friend Jeff LANGWALDESPN dot com.
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Speaker 3: Hi, Leggy, Good morning, fellas.
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Speaker 4: We're one day away from joint practice with the with
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Speaker 4: the Green Bay Packers. Is that the day that they'll
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Speaker 4: get the most out of this training camp? Is it
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Speaker 4: joint practice days?
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Speaker 3: I can wait and see. You know what our Green
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Speaker 3: Bay Packer writer ESPN, Rob Demoski told me yesterday that
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Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur gave this long list of things they weren't
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Speaker 3: gonna do in the joint practice. So I Oh really, Ill, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued to know ei they're gonna unload all their
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Speaker 3: crap and practice for a day if there's all the
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Speaker 3: stuff they're not gonna do. But maybe he's exaggerating or
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Speaker 3: was just in a mood or something. But but I
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Speaker 3: think the uh, you know, the last last year, you know,
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Speaker 3: they had two days of joint practices, and I you know,
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Speaker 3: I get the sense that Sean Payton would sort of
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Speaker 3: prefer that to split it up a little bit, right,
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Speaker 3: Uh you know, I think he wanted to do at
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Speaker 3: least one of these, and this was probably the the
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Speaker 3: the best they could do. I think in the future
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Speaker 3: with the new massive new palace out here in a
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Speaker 3: couple of years, I think we'll see more more of
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Speaker 3: these locally here because they'll have they have all the
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Speaker 3: places now. But I think then they will really ramp
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Speaker 3: it up.
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Speaker 5: Did they purposely reduce it to one day just to
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Speaker 5: reduce the possible fights and all that stuff that goes on?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the coaches have proven through
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Speaker 3: the years, if you want to prevent fights, you can
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Speaker 3: the coaches who make a point of it, you know,
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Speaker 3: and together both coaches have to be in on it.
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Speaker 3: But if they do it, they can prevent that stuff.
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Speaker 3: When that happens, it's because one or both of the
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Speaker 3: coaches are letting it go a little bit. You know.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't just spontaneously organically happen that way.
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Speaker 4: The coach at drud mail, what do you think about
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Speaker 4: his approach? He said, if we have a fight in
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Speaker 4: joint practice, if you're a starter, you're going to play
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Speaker 4: the whole preseason game. If you aren't, you aren't playing time.
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Speaker 1: Jeff. That shows you and tells you how lame preseason
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Speaker 1: football is the punishment for fighting his place. You have
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Speaker 1: to play well. I mean, it's just.
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Speaker 3: I like it that you're upset that it's lame, but
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Speaker 3: you won't watch ten minutes of it.
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Speaker 1: I watched the entire thing.
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Speaker 3: I'll watchep.
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Speaker 1: I like it.
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Speaker 3: I won't like it. I fell asleep.
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Speaker 1: I won't.
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Speaker 3: You were bored five minutes and you told somebody I'm bored.
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Speaker 1: Well, actually I left late in the fourth War to
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Speaker 1: go golfing with my wife. But it's funny. It's funny.
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Speaker 1: The punishment is you got to play football.
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Speaker 3: It used to be they were you know, when I
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Speaker 3: first started covering the league, they were actually looking for
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Speaker 3: the last ten roster spots in the preseason. That's not
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Speaker 3: the case anymore. I mean, the off season used to
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Speaker 3: be three days in June. That used to be the
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Speaker 3: off season program used to be three days and that
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Speaker 3: was it. So the preseason was finding players. I mean,
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Speaker 3: he said it to me yesterday when I asked him
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Speaker 3: a question about the roster. He he basically said he
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Speaker 3: could get to forty four, you know right now, just check.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 3: I mean they know where they're at. That's why it's
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Speaker 3: so and that, you know, the season's longer, and the
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Speaker 3: margin for air and games is a lot slimmer than
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Speaker 3: it used to be. I mean, there's tons more close
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Speaker 3: games than there used to be, and they're far more
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Speaker 3: petrified of somebody getting hurt than they are of not
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Speaker 3: finding that. One last developmental nugget, how much.
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Speaker 4: Of the starting twenty two in offensive defense? How many
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Speaker 4: positions do you think already have starters penciled in right now?
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Speaker 3: Probably most of them, I mean, probably more on offense
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Speaker 3: than defense. I mean that risk.
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Speaker 4: I think they know that right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he knew it before camp started. But
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Speaker 3: that's just my personal opinion. You don't take Zach Wilson.
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Speaker 3: Now the rotation four days in, if you don't know
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Speaker 3: what the quarterbacks or you don't know who the quarterback
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Speaker 3: is going to be, I mean the ten thousand foot
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Speaker 3: objective view, he may have played better than anybody. And Indy,
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Speaker 3: you know, granted is against threes, but that ain't his fault.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now that you said that, of course read everything
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Speaker 1: you write, so you're well sorry to hear that, you're
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Speaker 1: but you're welcome. Uh But your little snippet there on
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Speaker 1: on the Broncos page where yesterday Sean Payton is praising
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson got a good live arm hat. I thought
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Speaker 1: he had a good game. I'm encouraged. Fellows rips in
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Speaker 1: the game are really good. There's poise, He's been there,
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Speaker 1: done that. Is he coming around to Zach Wilson.
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Speaker 3: I mean he could didn't aimed to come around.
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Speaker 1: Most he likes.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't like him a little bit. He likes him.
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Speaker 1: That being said, we were going through yesterday with coach.
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Speaker 3: They're gonna find a way to keep him. I think.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well because because right now he could be the
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Speaker 1: backup on so many teams in this league, including the
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Speaker 1: damn San Francisco forty nine. Who's have got Brandon Allen
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Speaker 1: right now sort of? Or Josh Josh the Josh Dobbs
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Speaker 1: is there as there?
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Speaker 3: You know, I guess and you know, look he Zach
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Speaker 3: Wilson was overdrafted, Yes, like any quarterback it seems. But
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Speaker 3: should he been the second pick of the draft? No?
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Speaker 3: But the more I watch him, the more I think
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Speaker 3: it wasn't all his fault.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to Joe. I don't want to believe.
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Speaker 1: I don't want him to leave.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot there that they could cultivate
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Speaker 3: and look at. I mean, is he ready to be
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Speaker 3: a mistake free starter? And you know when you know,
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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that, but I do
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Speaker 3: know he has shown so much that they should keep
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Speaker 3: and take a look at in my opinion, So, uh
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Speaker 3: do I think he would get through waivers? As the
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Speaker 3: next question? Could they? And I don't think so because
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Speaker 3: I mean I've I personally have talked to multiple gms
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Speaker 3: of other teams who say, if it's a top ten pick,
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Speaker 3: it's almost an automatic claim unless a guy has showed
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Speaker 3: some kind of off the field mess or or injury.
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Speaker 5: Jeffrey, what is the most talent deficient position on this team.
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Speaker 3: I just think depth overall is you know, when he
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Speaker 3: talks about competition, a lot of that is because the
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Speaker 3: players are all at the same level, you know, that
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Speaker 3: are competing and.
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Speaker 1: Like at the other corner spot opposites or take.
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Speaker 3: I think I think they you know, I don't no
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Speaker 3: if Riley Moss is going to be the pick, but
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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued by his athleticism and side. I mean, that
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Speaker 3: would give them two of the biggest corners in the
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Speaker 3: league if if Riley Moss was the starter there, and
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Speaker 3: that's you want to fight. You know, all the size
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Speaker 3: and athleticism and all these three wide sets. You know,
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Speaker 3: that's what you need is you need big guys who
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Speaker 3: can really move. And but I just think depth, like
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Speaker 3: offensive line. The minute you know Quinn Bailey is not
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Speaker 3: going to be a guy we talk about a lot
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Speaker 3: on this show or any other show. But that injury
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Speaker 3: may cost them two other players because they got to
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Speaker 3: keep extra players in the offensive line just to cover
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Speaker 3: for the fact. Because he could play both guard spots,
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Speaker 3: he could play tackle, he could start games. He could
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Speaker 3: start games and get you by at four positions in
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Speaker 3: the offensive line. Oh yeah, and he was the extra
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Speaker 3: tight end in the in the run.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 3: So I mean that's an awful lot of stuff for
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Speaker 3: a guy maybe we don't think about or talk about,
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Speaker 3: but that injury is gonna be significant when they cut
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Speaker 3: this team of fifty three.
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Speaker 4: That's a funny thing when you talk about depth, it's
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Speaker 4: like they want to find a way to keep Zach Wilson. Well,
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Speaker 4: that would mean you're keeping quarterbacks or.
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Speaker 3: You know, the running back. Everybody's telling me they got oh,
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Speaker 3: they got to keep all these running backs.
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Speaker 4: There's almost wide receiver. Yeah, And it's like you can't
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Speaker 4: stack depth on just one side of the football and
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Speaker 4: you're not.
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Speaker 3: Gonna You're not gonna have depth when you get rid
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Speaker 3: of coaches every two and three. I mean, Peyton Chom
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Speaker 3: Payton's only in his second year. He's still trying to
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Speaker 3: make this roster look like what he wants, just like
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Speaker 3: Big Fangio did. And you know, Hackett didn't even get
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Speaker 3: a shot, but they constructed that initial roster to what
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Speaker 3: he wanted. So, I mean, it's it's impossible. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's not a criticism really in a lot of ways
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Speaker 3: that they don't have depth, other than they can't make
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Speaker 3: their you know, their choices at head coach stick in
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Speaker 3: recent years.
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Speaker 4: Can I follow up on the wide receiver spot because
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Speaker 4: Troy frank Two part question Troy Franklin has he had
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Speaker 4: a disappointing camp? And then the second part is is
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Speaker 4: better than him as of right now?
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Speaker 1: Three more parts of the question.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot of parts. You went to one part.
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Speaker 1: Okay, nice job. Do you want like some freaking hand tools?
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Speaker 3: Did Swedish directions disappointing?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Or no? Second?
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Speaker 3: I'm ready. I was ready for any and all questions.
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Speaker 3: So you're okay, Well, so what's your favorite color? Some
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Speaker 3: would say, U, you know, money now? Uh, you know,
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Speaker 3: I just I never say, or I try not to say.
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Speaker 3: You know, a rookie is disappointing after four weeks, but
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Speaker 3: you know, but I think his transition is exactly what Uh.
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Speaker 3: Some scouts had concerns about that unless you play in
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Speaker 3: the SEC and you're a wide receiver, you have basically
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Speaker 3: run free and caught passes in unencumbered glory and you
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Speaker 3: just run around in open space unless you've played in
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Speaker 3: the SEC and you can see that here's he's had
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Speaker 3: a difficult time when the defensive backs get physical with him,
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Speaker 3: he gets jostled off his route. Now, the timing's off
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Speaker 3: on a lot of things, and they have not thrown
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Speaker 3: a lot of passes in any drills. You know. I
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Speaker 3: know what social media says and all their quarterbacks are
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Speaker 3: amazing and all of that, but they haven't thrown a
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Speaker 3: three damn deep balls in any practice I've attended and mimes.
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Speaker 3: There's a reason we haven't had a lot of social
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Speaker 3: media confetti for Marvin Mims and Troy Franklin because they
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Speaker 3: haven't thrown any passes that the routes they're best at,
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Speaker 3: you know, vertical speed, you know they're not They're simply
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Speaker 3: not throwing those right now. Why, I think they're trying to,
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Speaker 3: you know, get bo Nicks as comfortable in the offense
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Speaker 3: as they can. And they've catered again personal opinion, They're
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Speaker 3: never gonna say yes, that's right, but I think they've
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Speaker 3: catered a lot of things to get bow Nicks as
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Speaker 3: comfortable to be the starter as possible, whether he won
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Speaker 3: the job or not. I just think that's how they
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Speaker 3: structured the whole thing.
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Speaker 5: Jeff Flag, well, why aren't you able to elicit the
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Speaker 5: same well thought out responses from Sean Payton that Kay
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Speaker 5: Adams can.
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Speaker 3: Well take a look.
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Speaker 1: That's a loaded question. That is an absolutely loaded question.
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Speaker 3: We have a lot more history of mister Peyton and I.
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Speaker 1: Do you really okay, did you hear what she said yesterday?
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Speaker 5: The reason I bring it up is Nellie, if you
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Speaker 5: don't mind relaying that interview, she was here in camp
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Speaker 5: yesterday and she didn't mess around. Right off the top
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Speaker 5: to me, right after the whole quarterback carousel, here's what
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Speaker 5: she had to ask him.
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Speaker 3: Well, if the jig is up, though, coach, it's like,
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Speaker 3: we know he's the guy, why not hands him the keys?
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Speaker 3: Like Chicago? What do you mean?
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Speaker 4: What are you you're to see what this next preseason
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Speaker 4: game is?
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Speaker 1: This next game would be important?
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Speaker 3: Why does you have to earn it?
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Speaker 4: What is the problem with just naming it?
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Speaker 3: Like what I do think it's important to the team
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Speaker 3: that they see.
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Speaker 1: In other words, I'm.
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Speaker 5: Not important to the team. And you said this two
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Speaker 5: weeks ago before. He would never name him exactly.
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Speaker 1: It's an entitlement thing.
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Speaker 3: I look, I've spoken to him about this process. He
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Speaker 3: would never Uh. What the Bears did would give Sean
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Speaker 3: Payton hives to to tell the rookie quarterback he is
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Speaker 3: the starter immediately and sit him out of the preseason opener.
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Speaker 3: This this, this head coach simply would not do that,
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Speaker 3: no matter. And it could have been rookie Peyton Manning
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Speaker 3: in here, could have been rookie Dan Marino, rookie John Elway.
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Speaker 3: It wouldn't have mattered. He would have handled it the same.
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Speaker 1: But you also said a couple of weeks ago, and
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Speaker 1: I think you were so running the money. Players know
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Speaker 1: you know, and and and he's got even if he
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Speaker 1: wants him, and he's gonna start him, and so on
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Speaker 1: and so forth.
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Speaker 3: If it's a tie, it's him. Yeah, close to a tie,
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Speaker 3: it's him right there.
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Speaker 1: There's got to be a certain aspect that the play
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Speaker 1: other players see of earning the position. So you're not
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Speaker 1: you're yeah, yeah exactly. So you got to get out
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Speaker 1: there and bust your hump. And and they're not dumb
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Speaker 1: inside that room. They know if it's a tie or
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Speaker 1: or it's closed, it's gonna be the kid.
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Speaker 3: They know the second play pats Er Tan ran as
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Speaker 3: a rookie, he was the starter.
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Speaker 1: Correct, I mean they correct.
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Speaker 3: They see talent, sees talent, then they know what it
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Speaker 3: looks like. But quarterback is a different animal in that
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Speaker 3: you've got to show them you can take it essentially
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Speaker 3: that you're gonna take the heat for the mistakes, even
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Speaker 3: if they weren't your mistakes. Yep, the greatest quarterbacks do that.
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Speaker 3: The bad ones don't. Uh, and just they they want
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Speaker 3: to see how you react to, you know, being in
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Speaker 3: the hub of the wheel as it were. And uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, the toughest thing for a coach is if
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Speaker 3: you picked the quarterback the locker room doesn't think one
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Speaker 3: the competition and I don't think they've had I think
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Speaker 3: Stidham has outplayed them objectively in a lot of training camp.
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Speaker 3: That the gap has certainly narrowed, you know, the last
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Speaker 3: week and a half or so as we get closer
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Speaker 3: to how things are going to look. But it hasn't
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Speaker 3: been a knockout. I mean, the other two guys would
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Speaker 3: have had to win by a knockout, and that that
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Speaker 3: it was pretty clear that, you know, bow Nicks was
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Speaker 3: good enough that that wasn't going to happen.
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Speaker 4: Jeff Legwold is brought to you by the International Brotherhood
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Speaker 4: a job and with a career, I could be.
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Speaker 3: There if this this thing doesn't work out here. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 4: You'd still cover camp though, even if you work there,
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Speaker 4: you'd come out here for camp.
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Speaker 3: You know, you take my personal time. Yeah, that's what
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Speaker 3: you're saying.
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Speaker 4: You want to sit around for another segment?
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Speaker 3: Sure, all right.
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Speaker 4: Jeff Lagwall continues with us Next Shakers Studios, Serious Lawyers
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Speaker 4: this series.
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Speaker 1: It's Don Loomis.
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Speaker 2: This is Teama Pac PhD coming up at.
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Speaker 4: Noon now to two Sports with Eli, Moser, Lombardy and Kane.
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Speaker 6: I think the Troy Franklin thing is the squirreliest decision
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Speaker 6: they got to make. I know they're stuck basically keeping them.
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Speaker 6: But if if this was a true meritocracy in terms
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Speaker 6: of who's earning it during camp, you'd be cutting Troy Franklin.
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Speaker 2: But but you guys know this as well as anybody else.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong in that. You're definitely not wrong. But
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Speaker 2: when you build a roster, you build a roster full
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Speaker 2: of ready made guys and guys that you need in
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Speaker 2: the future. And he fits into the category of guys
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Speaker 2: that you need in the fun doesn Mims fit that too?
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Speaker 1: Then?
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Speaker 2: Mims to me, I chop City Mins.
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Speaker 1: A higher draft pick than he was. Yeah, just the
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Speaker 1: only second year with him.
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't I wouldn't shut it's here. Whatsoever you've got
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Speaker 6: rid of Marvin Mims. Wouldn't bother me, what whatsoever. I
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Speaker 6: do not think he's like one of the best capable guys.
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Speaker 6: And they've changed kickoffs and puns and I they got
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Speaker 6: guys that can do that job.
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Speaker 4: PhD yesterday as we're out here Broncos Park, powered by
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Speaker 3: I like that.
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Speaker 4: It's bold and brought to you by the International Brotherhood
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Speaker 3: Yet a team with no pro bowler should cut the
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Speaker 3: pro bowler.
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Speaker 1: I love it. What what day are you on with them?
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Speaker 3: I was on right after that. We think there was
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Speaker 3: good reasons they didn't tell me what they said. No,
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Speaker 3: I don't get the I don't get the cliff notes
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Speaker 3: as to what's gone down before I whe But I
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Speaker 3: just assume you've said some crazy crap before I come on.
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Speaker 1: There is I don't do dumb it would be credit.
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Speaker 3: Even if he didn't catch a ball, you're gonna cut
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Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl returner. Yeah, especially I guess that's that's
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Speaker 3: what had been My response to them was, even if
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Speaker 3: he doesn't catch a pass, you're gonna cut a Pro.
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Speaker 5: Bowl that you have such a dearth of any game
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Speaker 5: breaking ability on that team, I thought, would you take
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Speaker 5: the one guy who's a game break?
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Speaker 3: I think I believe, And again I don't have the
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Speaker 3: numbers right in front of me, but it's close to this.
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Speaker 3: I think they had seven plays last year forty seven
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Speaker 3: yards or longer, and he had four exactly so, and
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Speaker 3: it's not his fault that three of them were in
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Speaker 3: Week two. You know, he had three of those against Washington. Yes,
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Speaker 3: so you know the fact they don't they can't get
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Speaker 3: their act together to get the ball down the field
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Speaker 3: is not Marvin Mims's fault. But you know that that's
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Speaker 3: is how it goes in camp, you know, we I
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Speaker 3: think sometimes and look, I've fallen into the trap as well.
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Speaker 3: The part we all see isn't the only part of
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Speaker 3: the grade, you know, and it's just there's just more
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Speaker 3: to it to that, and uh, you don't take the
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Speaker 3: fifty three best guys to win Game one. You take
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Speaker 3: the fifty three best guys that will get you through
18:10
Speaker 3: a season, and there's gonna be a developmental side of that.
18:15
Speaker 3: And there isn't a good team in the league that
18:18
Speaker 3: would just cut second round picks in their second year.
18:22
Speaker 3: That's you either stink at drafting or stink at developing.
18:26
Speaker 3: But that just shouldn't happen.
18:28
Speaker 5: Is there a chance that the Denver Broncos can reunite
18:30
Speaker 5: themselves with Justin Simmons?
18:33
Speaker 3: You know, I guess I never say never with the Broncos, Vick,
18:36
Speaker 3: You've been here long enough to know that, never say
18:39
Speaker 3: never with the Broncos. Uh, there's an awful lot of
18:43
Speaker 3: hard feelings, and I don't they don't.
18:44
Speaker 1: Cut What are the hard feelings? What's the problem because
18:47
Speaker 1: I made.
18:48
Speaker 3: I think he thinks he played far better than they do,
18:52
Speaker 3: and I agree with him, gotcha, But they they cut
18:56
Speaker 3: him because they didn't think he played well enough. And
18:59
Speaker 3: I guess I just don't buy them.
19:01
Speaker 5: My theory is they're they're they're purging the locker room
19:05
Speaker 5: of non peytent thinker.
19:06
Speaker 3: Well, that's always the way with any coach, you know.
19:09
Speaker 1: Well, the first to go was McMahon's Mike.
19:10
Speaker 3: Mike did the same thing when Mike got here long ago,
19:14
Speaker 3: and I just think that's common. But the difference here
19:18
Speaker 3: is it's been done five times in the span of
19:20
Speaker 3: a decade. So you're just not going to be able
19:23
Speaker 3: to put any kind of consistent depth chart together for
19:26
Speaker 3: a while.
19:28
Speaker 1: You know.
19:28
Speaker 4: On top of that, as far as the guys that
19:31
Speaker 4: I think are really intriguing, Tim Patrick was a huge
19:34
Speaker 4: part of this football team two years ago. He was
19:36
Speaker 4: your most sure handed wide receiver. How has he looked
19:38
Speaker 4: to you two years removed from injuries.
19:40
Speaker 3: It's stinking amazing that he's even doing this. Yeah, and
19:46
Speaker 3: he's doing it pretty well. The problem is, in some
19:49
Speaker 3: years this wouldn't even been a discussion because it wasn't crowded.
19:53
Speaker 3: But it's crowded yep now. And I you know, I
19:57
Speaker 3: always if I'm a veteran player, just in my time
20:00
Speaker 3: cover in the league, it's I'm always quizzical when they
20:04
Speaker 3: invoke your name when they draft another guy. And the
20:07
Speaker 3: first thing they said after they took Devon Vley and
20:10
Speaker 3: the draft was he's just like Tim Patrick. So and
20:14
Speaker 3: we can all go back and look at the transcripts,
20:16
Speaker 3: but it was the first thing they said almost after
20:19
Speaker 3: they picked him. So he's I have said, if if
20:23
Speaker 3: I had to name three players on the Broncos who've
20:26
Speaker 3: had the best camp, he'd be on the list.
20:28
Speaker 1: Well, he's your age.
20:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why we get Hilong, we get along great.
20:33
Speaker 4: Seriously, he is that why you dropped in the draft?
20:35
Speaker 3: By the way, he's he's.
20:39
Speaker 1: A twenty six year old rookie.
20:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll be twenty seven soon.
20:43
Speaker 1: He Yeah.
20:43
Speaker 3: I put the question of McGlinchey yesterday. Zach Allen is
20:48
Speaker 3: twenty six. He's in a sixth year in the NFL. Man,
20:51
Speaker 3: I think that's my.
20:52
Speaker 5: Comparison because maybe the only team if Vle and Bonnick
20:55
Speaker 5: were to start where starting.
20:57
Speaker 1: Two rookies would up the age average agent.
21:00
Speaker 3: Goes off from last last time.
21:02
Speaker 4: The only quarterback wide out Cobbo with two kids in
21:05
Speaker 4: high school. So wait, you said he's gonna turn twenty
21:08
Speaker 4: seven soon.
21:08
Speaker 3: I think he's turned during the season during.
21:12
Speaker 1: Rookies with kids on a lot of times.
21:13
Speaker 4: If two ricky rookies connected on a pass where their
21:15
Speaker 4: combined ages fifty one.
21:17
Speaker 3: Years old, that would be worth that.
21:18
Speaker 1: That would be pretty amazing.
21:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, it may have happened, you know, like in the
21:22
Speaker 3: crazy War years or something. Yeah, yeah, when they had
21:25
Speaker 3: thirty year olds running around.
21:26
Speaker 1: So we've been into the preseason now just a little
21:28
Speaker 1: tiny bit. I love reading the stories about the new
21:31
Speaker 1: kickoff rules, right, and how teams were adapting and so
21:34
Speaker 1: on and so forth. I want to get your opinion
21:36
Speaker 1: on it. But but I'm reading the guy from Pittsburgh,
21:40
Speaker 1: Danny Smith. He's like, everybody's just feeling their way through.
21:43
Speaker 1: You don't want to show a lot because you don't
21:45
Speaker 1: know a lot, right, Jim Harbig, He's like, I don't
21:48
Speaker 1: know what we're going to do week one, you know,
21:50
Speaker 1: against the Raiders. He said, I think to say we
21:53
Speaker 1: haven't decided it is pretty darn accurate. Sean McVay, It
21:56
Speaker 1: feels word I know, the aten is weird. The intendant
21:58
Speaker 1: is there, will try to figure it out. That's where
22:00
Speaker 1: we're at right now, right with this new rule that
22:02
Speaker 1: everybody is just in a feel out stage. What are
22:06
Speaker 1: we doing? You know? And it's I think everybody thinks
22:09
Speaker 1: it's gonna look different as the season goes on. What
22:12
Speaker 1: do you think?
22:13
Speaker 3: I think this is the first time in a long
22:16
Speaker 3: time for all coaches to believe they have a competitive
22:20
Speaker 3: advantage right out of the game and something. So everyone's
22:23
Speaker 3: holding back because they are gonna think their version of
22:27
Speaker 3: it is a competitive advantage, including this team.
22:30
Speaker 1: Where do they practice it like so we we.
22:33
Speaker 3: Don't see it like that, but they're uh now, they
22:38
Speaker 3: they may, you know, they've shown some glimpses of their
22:42
Speaker 3: intentions here, but they do it in pieces, like they'll
22:45
Speaker 3: do half field returns sometimes in special teams periods. If
22:49
Speaker 3: you look closely, they'll start the coverage players all the
22:53
Speaker 3: way down the field like they're already down there, and
22:56
Speaker 3: they'll do it. But they do it in pieces, but
22:58
Speaker 3: no one's really gonna show what they think is really
23:02
Speaker 3: gonna work. The weird thing is is if at some point,
23:05
Speaker 3: if you looked at it from the end zone, it's
23:07
Speaker 3: gonna look like a running play. At some point, you
23:11
Speaker 3: know you're gonna see I think some pin and pull
23:14
Speaker 3: type stuff you're gonna see. I think even kickouts you're
23:18
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna look like a running play from behind
23:21
Speaker 3: at some point.
23:22
Speaker 1: I can't wait.
23:23
Speaker 5: Where do you think a guy like Sean Payton, who's
23:25
Speaker 5: been around the block, who's done this for many years,
23:29
Speaker 5: where is he adapting and learning your wrinkles to his offense.
23:32
Speaker 5: Is he going to the college ranks? Is he going
23:34
Speaker 5: to other NFL teams?
23:36
Speaker 3: Other defensive coordinators would say he's stayed more true, he
23:42
Speaker 3: doesn't have as much pre snap motion as everybody else does.
23:46
Speaker 3: Right now, that's the thing right now that everybody's.
23:51
Speaker 1: Uh.
23:51
Speaker 3: He still plays a full back more than a lot
23:53
Speaker 3: of people. He and Kyle Shanahan, you know, he's sort
23:56
Speaker 3: of of that ILK. I think in this camp he's
24:01
Speaker 3: evolved a little bit in shotgun pistol. You can tell
24:06
Speaker 3: he's thinking he might have a quarterback start who's comfortable
24:09
Speaker 3: in those things. So they've done more with that that
24:12
Speaker 3: you've also seen as you would expect, you know, be
24:16
Speaker 3: like asking anybody to suddenly do something at the highest
24:20
Speaker 3: level they've never been asked to do before. But when
24:22
Speaker 3: bon Nicks is under center, he doesn't look nearly as
24:25
Speaker 3: comfortable as he does. He funneled a snap and you know,
24:29
Speaker 3: right it's happened plenty, and so he I think the
24:35
Speaker 3: adaptation right now is that I think he is trying
24:38
Speaker 3: to find a happy medium because he likes like Mike
24:43
Speaker 3: Shanahan did long ago. He likes a quarterback under center
24:45
Speaker 3: a lot because he thinks it helps.
24:48
Speaker 4: How often do you see a tight end get carted
24:50
Speaker 4: off the field and then be a practice like three
24:52
Speaker 4: days later.
24:52
Speaker 3: Karat Boles did that from a game one time, card out,
24:55
Speaker 3: He got card out in the game, and he was
24:57
Speaker 3: on the practice field the next the next time they this,
25:00
Speaker 3: which I was stunned. But yeah, no, it's I think
25:02
Speaker 3: sometimes it's I mean, we've all had not to the
25:06
Speaker 3: degree of these guys sometimes, but you get that initial
25:09
Speaker 3: oh my god, I think I broke.
25:10
Speaker 4: Some What what do you feel about the tight end
25:13
Speaker 4: room now as we're you know, they really need.
25:16
Speaker 3: They need dulsage in the passing game, or it's just
25:19
Speaker 3: gonna look a lot of the way it did last
25:21
Speaker 3: year where they're trying to piece it together. But he's
25:24
Speaker 3: he's the impact guy who can force the issue.
25:27
Speaker 1: He's he looks the part.
25:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's.
25:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks the part that he I guess coming
25:35
Speaker 1: out of UCLA everything that I had hoped that he
25:37
Speaker 1: would be. He looks like he's that guy. What what
25:41
Speaker 1: is his ceiling?
25:41
Speaker 3: Do you think? I think he could be a really
25:44
Speaker 3: impactful player in the passing game. You know what however
25:47
Speaker 3: many catches that is, I don't I don't know, but
25:50
Speaker 3: they need guys who can finish. I mean, they just
25:52
Speaker 3: donet They've not shown last year that they had Courtland
25:55
Speaker 3: Sutton had ten touchdowns, but the next guy had four,
25:59
Speaker 3: you know, and it was Annon Johnson. He might not
26:01
Speaker 3: even make the team this time, and he was second
26:04
Speaker 3: in touchdown catches.
26:05
Speaker 4: VIC brought this up earlier. Is that's something you look
26:08
Speaker 4: at the wide receiver room. It was apparent the first
26:10
Speaker 4: day you look at the wide receiver standing next to
26:12
Speaker 4: each other, everybody six that is that a red zone thing?
26:19
Speaker 3: And it's it's I think he knows bo Nix's strengths
26:24
Speaker 3: are between the numbers. I think defensive coordinators are going
26:28
Speaker 3: to try and push him to make decisions out wide.
26:33
Speaker 3: And we've we've had several passes we've seen that where
26:38
Speaker 3: he can't quite drive it hard enough and that's probably
26:41
Speaker 3: going the other way and in a game, but really
26:46
Speaker 3: comfortable and on time and inaccurate in the middle of
26:49
Speaker 3: the field, and you need size to do a lot
26:52
Speaker 3: of that. It's kind of a post up situation in
26:55
Speaker 3: the red zone. I think he came away. I mean
26:58
Speaker 3: they were one of the worst teams in gold Go
27:00
Speaker 3: which was inside the ten.
27:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were.
27:02
Speaker 3: Thirtieth in the league. And you know, I've often thought
27:08
Speaker 3: between the twenties is the scheme, that's the genius world. Okay,
27:12
Speaker 3: you scheme it up in there inside the twenty, that's
27:15
Speaker 3: just your guy beating the other guy. Exactly right, because
27:18
Speaker 3: Vic Fangio has sort of brought the return of I'm
27:21
Speaker 3: just gonna clog it up enough so you can't do
27:24
Speaker 3: what you want to do, and everyone has copied it.
27:26
Speaker 5: And that's why Fanji was so effective against Kansas City
27:29
Speaker 5: all those years because he's figured it out. Let them,
27:31
Speaker 5: let them run.
27:32
Speaker 3: Them up between the twenties, and if you can hold them,
27:37
Speaker 3: the field goals and hope for the best.
27:38
Speaker 4: You know. That's the weird thing about last year, as
27:41
Speaker 4: we were talking about this earlier, and not that you
27:42
Speaker 4: can pinpoint, you know, where a season ended to a
27:46
Speaker 4: specific play, because there's a million things that happened during
27:48
Speaker 4: the course of a season. But I remember in that
27:51
Speaker 4: Patriots game is a huge game last year. I mean
27:53
Speaker 4: that game was you lose that game, you're pretty much out.
27:56
Speaker 4: You win, you got a decent shot of making the bosseason.
27:59
Speaker 4: They get a turnover on that first drive on New England.
28:01
Speaker 4: They start the drive I think was in the red zone,
28:03
Speaker 4: didn't they and couldn't finish and only couldn't finish in
28:07
Speaker 4: the end zone. It turned it over on downs. And
28:10
Speaker 4: I just wonder how much of this offseason was all
28:12
Speaker 4: about for Sean Payton if we get to that in
28:14
Speaker 4: between the twenty eight we're finishing.
28:16
Speaker 3: Look what he did. He up the size in the
28:19
Speaker 3: receiver room and took a power back in the draft
28:22
Speaker 3: who they he says, was at the top of their
28:25
Speaker 3: board among the backs, among breaking tackles yards after contact.
28:31
Speaker 3: You know, he obviously decided their red zone troubles were
28:35
Speaker 3: because they couldn't They couldn't force the issue when they
28:39
Speaker 3: wanted to, which takes either power or speed or both
28:43
Speaker 3: in the NFL, and they didn't have enough of either.
28:45
Speaker 1: Finally, from me before I let you go, thank god,
28:48
Speaker 1: I I just saw the Patriots and the Falcons do
28:52
Speaker 1: a trade. Right, Reddick is all up in arms to.
28:56
Speaker 3: A guy who has said Judaan has said, I haven't
28:59
Speaker 3: agreed to it.
29:01
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy. And by the way, if you if
29:03
Speaker 1: you agree to a deal, you pay the guy. I
29:04
Speaker 1: have no idea what the Jets traded for Redick and
29:07
Speaker 1: then they're sitting on their hands.
29:09
Speaker 3: It seems to me that you should cover that issue before.
29:11
Speaker 1: It's exactly what you're doing.
29:13
Speaker 3: But I just it stress everybody's mad. They did that
29:16
Speaker 3: here with Russell, right that they covered the issue with Russell.
29:19
Speaker 3: But now suddenly it.
29:20
Speaker 1: Just feels like pass rushers and whiteouts this year. I mean,
29:24
Speaker 1: they've gone full Deva. They've just gone full give me,
29:26
Speaker 1: give me.
29:28
Speaker 3: Give me, you know, and I thought that I'm with
29:30
Speaker 3: the players on this. Okay, give me a break. You know.
29:34
Speaker 3: The Cowboys are like exhibit A of this.
29:36
Speaker 1: But can they afford to pay c They can, but
29:39
Speaker 1: they've got all this money.
29:40
Speaker 3: I mean, tell me how smart you are, and then
29:42
Speaker 3: you can't pull that off? Okay, fourteen or whatever it is.
29:48
Speaker 3: If you can't do that, then.
29:49
Speaker 1: You're okay, it's just the I mean they.
29:52
Speaker 3: Should look, the players should get every dollar. They agreed,
29:56
Speaker 3: you know, agreed, but it's just guess what when they're
29:58
Speaker 3: you know, we we never ever bring it up. But
30:00
Speaker 3: when they get Justin Simmons, did Justin Simmons have years
30:03
Speaker 3: left on his contract?
30:05
Speaker 1: Yep? Yes, what they do they caught him, but it
30:08
Speaker 1: seems like nobody I mean, and this is why we're
30:10
Speaker 1: seeing a holdout for money. Okay, nobody's but nobody's happy.
30:14
Speaker 1: None of these guys. Like everybody's complaining at one point
30:17
Speaker 1: or another. That's just what it feels like. Why do
30:18
Speaker 1: you hate people that don't want money? Yeah, you want,
30:20
Speaker 1: well I don't. I want money. I want to put
30:22
Speaker 1: six D money, me me money, money, me me money.
30:26
Speaker 1: That's our that's all.
30:27
Speaker 3: I just it's always intrigued to me. The teams always say, well,
30:31
Speaker 3: he's got a contract or we just can't possibly find
30:34
Speaker 3: a way. You know, they just spent But the on
30:37
Speaker 3: a buffet for the corporate sponsors.
30:40
Speaker 1: The the Ioke thing doesn't bother you at all. If
30:43
Speaker 1: I was a forty nine er fan, i'd be why.
30:45
Speaker 3: Look, I always I just don't understand why we It's
30:49
Speaker 3: the only thing in the world where we side with
30:52
Speaker 3: the bosses all the time. In sports, we're like, oh,
30:56
Speaker 3: he should just play and shut up.
30:59
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but he's they've they've worked out
31:01
Speaker 1: three different trades and here's one. Any of them just
31:04
Speaker 1: do radio and shut up.
31:05
Speaker 3: No, he just suck at Lobardi I mean, seriously, no,
31:10
Speaker 3: I you know, if you're a fan, I get it.
31:12
Speaker 3: You want the best team possible out there. I understand
31:16
Speaker 3: the frustration. I just I guess I've spent enough time
31:19
Speaker 3: around players to have felt the Uh, they're just gonna
31:23
Speaker 3: get rid of you when they're done with you, and
31:25
Speaker 3: you better take care of your take care of you?
31:29
Speaker 4: Can I ask one question, then we'll let you go.
31:30
Speaker 4: Last thing?
31:31
Speaker 3: Is this another twelve part?
31:33
Speaker 4: It's not.
31:33
Speaker 3: I'm ready though.
31:36
Speaker 4: Uh. Defensively, are they, from what you see now better
31:40
Speaker 4: or worse last year or the same?
31:42
Speaker 3: I think they can be better because they're better upfront.
31:44
Speaker 3: The Franklin Myers for free, Yeah, I like him. Look
31:49
Speaker 3: at that player you got for almost free.
31:52
Speaker 4: So Malcolm Road, he's a beast in that run.
31:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they've really now you know that said,
31:57
Speaker 3: are they going to be as good at safety without
31:59
Speaker 3: Justin and Kareem?
32:00
Speaker 1: I don't.
32:01
Speaker 3: I don't think so. But you know they'll be athletic
32:04
Speaker 3: enough to make up for some other things too, so
32:08
Speaker 3: they could close the gap there. And you know you
32:11
Speaker 3: need somebody, you need a hundred tackle guy. Josie Jewel
32:14
Speaker 3: was a hundred tackle guys, So you need a hundred
32:16
Speaker 3: tackle guy in there somewhere.
32:17
Speaker 1: Well, Singleton's a hundred tackle guy.
32:19
Speaker 3: Well they both were hundred tackle guys last year, so
32:22
Speaker 3: you need another one.
32:23
Speaker 1: Mos Roach is a big man.
32:26
Speaker 4: He's huge.
32:26
Speaker 3: They're like a large human.
32:27
Speaker 1: But I don't know the I gotta get his exact size.
32:31
Speaker 1: But he's just he's as thick as he is tall.
32:33
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gigantic.
32:35
Speaker 3: But the you know, the FRANKL. Myers things changes everything
32:37
Speaker 3: because everyone else can play where they're supposed to. Then
32:41
Speaker 3: that's what That's what happened last year. That's why they
32:43
Speaker 3: couldn't defend the run. You know, they had injuries, so
32:47
Speaker 3: they had to move guys around and play them where
32:49
Speaker 3: they're not at their best. You know, they got the
32:52
Speaker 3: wrong guys getting double teamed. You know, now they can
32:56
Speaker 3: they can set things up how they want it, and
32:59
Speaker 3: one of their past rushers has to have sort of
33:01
Speaker 3: a mini breakout, you know, most likely to be I think,
33:06
Speaker 3: but Benito has the most natural explosiveness. I mean, he
33:12
Speaker 3: was unbelievable. He was third in the league last year
33:15
Speaker 3: in one of the one of your real analytics stats,
33:18
Speaker 3: which is pressures percentage of pressures as the first rusher,
33:24
Speaker 3: you know, the first guy there essentially, and he the
33:27
Speaker 3: percentage of times he did that, he was number three
33:30
Speaker 3: in the league. He just didn't have as many rushes
33:32
Speaker 3: as a lot of the other guys. But uh, that's
33:36
Speaker 3: they need somebody. They needed sort of a twelve sack
33:39
Speaker 3: guy instead of you know, eight, eight and a half
33:41
Speaker 3: or eight. They need a couple. They need a twelve
33:44
Speaker 3: and a ten, you know somewhere in there to really
33:46
Speaker 3: get it going.
33:47
Speaker 4: Jeff Lakewell ESPN dot comy joy is every Thursday. Always
33:50
Speaker 4: appreciate it, leg you thank you about him?
33:51
Speaker 3: Is this the last one in the tenth? Is that
33:53
Speaker 3: what we're saying, last one of the tenth?
33:55
Speaker 4: That's right, we'll talk to you on the face next week.
33:57
Speaker 1: Jeff, I'm bored.
33:59
Speaker 3: You are bored. Uh, you're always bored, all right. You
34:03
Speaker 3: know how many times people say I'm bored. After I'm
34:05
Speaker 3: done talking, make a big list fit in the line.
34:10
Speaker 5: You better ask for more money either.
34:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted six hundred chees money me. You don't money.
34:16
Speaker 3: You don't know anybody to get paid. What's the deal.
34:18
Speaker 1: I want everybody to every free free bread for everybody.
34:24
Speaker 3: Vick was done. Apparently Apparently he's a crophone scratch.
34:29
Speaker 4: Take a quick break back after this