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#53 - Reclaimed Iron Garden Beds & Helping Growers | Jo Henley [Henley's Rustics] · The Shed Organics Show

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Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Shed
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Organics Show. Today's episode is a special
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one. I sometimes have these episodes
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where after recording I just feel like just really connected.
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My heart is full. I feel like the interaction is
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just so authentic and real that it just leaves me feeling so
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good after the conversation. And today was definitely one of
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those days. Today we have Joe from Henley's
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Rustics, and Joe's one of those people that screams
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authenticity. And, you know, we speak about it
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in today's conversation about being real, being somewhat raw
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and authentic. And I'm just so blown away and
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inspired by the things that Joe had to say because it really
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resonates. And I think it resonates with
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all of us at some deep level that we're almost all yearning
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for this type of message, this type of feeling and the
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struggles of life and trying to aim in the right direction.
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And I think that this conversation is an important one
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to showcase because it's helped me inspire me to be more of
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myself. And I'm going to be going away
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and thinking about how I can take some of the lessons that
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Joe shared into my own life and to take that into the content
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and things that I do. So I have absolutely no doubt
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that you'll really enjoy this conversation.
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Joe calls herself a rookie gardener, but it is not about
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that at all. She has a wealth of experience
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and a story that is really compelling.
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And I'm so excited for you to hear the conversation.
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So from Garden Beds, Gardening and beyond, here is the
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conversation with Joe from Henley's Rustics.
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Yeah, it's such a bizarre journey that it was never like a
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sit down moment thinking let's do a business.
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Like it just has happened. And I don't want to say I don't
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feel like I've had control over like us doing it, but I just
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feel like it's happened so naturally that I haven't really
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like forced anything or we've made decisions.
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It's all just kind of happened. It's just, it's so like, so
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basically my dad with from a farming family, mum and dad have
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the farm my whole life and a couple of years ago looking to
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sell it. And so dad still had a shed in
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town in Hungary that was for the trucks and he still had some
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gear. And so as he was exiting out of
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the farm, you know, he was looking to maybe drive.
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He bought a Mack truck and he was going to grain.
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He was going to cut grain. That was like his next kind of
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like semi retirement kind of Ave.
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Anyway. So there was a building in
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Ongarry that he wanted Tenderfold to pull down.
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It was actually an old warehouse.
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I think they sold like machinery and like hardware and like
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tools, all sorts of things. And my grandma used to work
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there when she was like 20 or something like that.
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Anyway, the building was falling down unsafe.
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Dad won the tender. He pulled down the building that
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had these beautiful bricks. It had corrugated iron.
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It had beautiful like, you know, the patent roof and everything
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that you have in the old buildings.
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So basically he was like selling the bits and pieces off people
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in the like locally, you know, sold the bricks and someone was
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building a house. He, he had the corrugated iron.
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But it would because it, when you pull corrugated iron off an
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old building, because it's like a soft metal from back like 80
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years old and older. It's like a it's, it's sturdy,
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but soft. And so when you pull it off,
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well, it gets quiet, you know, it's not your flat sheet.
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So one of his mates, Jason, he jumped on and I think it was off
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marketplace. He found an old water tank
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rolling machine. It's like you broke, put a shade
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of corrugated iron into it and you can just put it through like
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to go straight. Basically it gets it back out to
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a sheet. It still has its curves in it,
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but it makes it into like, you know, a straight sheet.
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So that was the idea is that he was just going to straighten
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these sheets ready to sell on like, you know, to, you know,
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pass on all the materials. Anyway.
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I, I think mum may have asked or he was playing around with like
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some garden beds. ID of like for her and came up
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with a couple of Oval ones and circle ones.
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And literally it just happened that the kids and I were
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visiting. I'm in Forbes, which is an hour
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and a half away and the kids and I were visiting and I'm like,
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these are really cool dad. Like it was just like that kind
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of conversation. These are really cool.
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Like I wonder if like if you put them on marketplace, like maybe
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you could sell them. So we put them on marketplace
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that night and yeah, it just like instantly, I think my,
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because I, we put it on in Forbes because I knew like, you
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know, they could deliver to the homes and Forbes.
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And yeah, I think the first few people like 5 minutes later were
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like 2 friends of mine in Forbes.
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They're like, we want garden beds.
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Yeah. Anyway, it just kept digging
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like, and then it just two years later, it just hasn't stopped
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digging. But like, I guess for the first
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year we're heavily relied, relied on marketplace and now,
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you know, because of the online gardening community, it's huge.
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So now I sell most of them through like Instagram or that
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leads them into the website where they can look.
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So yeah, it was just a moment of time where like dad was exiting
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out of farming and I was doing, I was kind of stepping down a
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little bit trying to find a more acquired a job because my kids,
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I was working at the same daycare my kids were in and it
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just got too much. I was like, either I leave or
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they leave. Like it was like they were
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crying for me and I was trying to work and I have done big
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roles, like big management roles in the past, but just wanting to
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focus on parenting basically. So it was like Dad exiting out
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of the farm, me wanting to quieten down and this like, you
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know, little selling on marketplace for a little while.
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And then I'm like, OK, well, we need a name.
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And I'm such an indecisive person.
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Like I overthink way too much. And literally Henley's Rustics
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was just like, I think the first thought thing I thought of.
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And then that was it. Boom.
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And then it was like, OK, well, we need some more sizes.
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And so we kind of worked out what would fit on a truck.
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And then yeah, OK, well, what towns are we going to deliver
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to? So we chose like from Ongarry,
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Griffith and Woga, they were close by.
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And then over the last two years we now delivered to 100 towns.
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Yeah. So it's just, it's just like we
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started small and done like, you know, I think like the first
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couple of loads, we had 20 garden beds on there and they
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were like, Oh my gosh, 20 garden beds.
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And now we have like, you know, sold out loads heading out most
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every couple of weekends, like, you know, with a full load of
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aiding garden, 80 garden beds going out to homes.
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So it's mind blowing. Yeah, mind blowing.
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So this like, yeah, so the I had the journey of Henley's rustics
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it. And I think that's what's so
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great about it is because we never had expectations of it and
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it never was a plan. And dad in seminary retirement
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and I'm just trying to find this crazier, not crazier lifestyle,
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but more not. So I've always been a workaholic
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and I'm, I'm just trying to step into a bit more of a balanced
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life. So yeah, like it's just unfolded
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naturally. I I don't, yeah, there's no,
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like if someone said like what's the secret to start up a
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business and for it to be successful, I wouldn't be able
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to give any advice because I was like, it just happened, you
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know? It sounds like this, this
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beautiful synergy of like timing because like the on one thing,
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like dad coming out of farming, right.
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You know, I'm about to go through the same process with my
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father when he eventually decides to retire.
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He's pass it on to me as well. But this workaholic just, you
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know, go hard at whatever you do and he spends a lot of hours on
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it. And then for that to just finish
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and have like kind of nothing. It's like you're sort of you
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really, you really need something for them to do and,
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and it's good for them to have something to do right.
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And it's kind of just worked perfectly in this little skill
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set for him to kind of make this.
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And then yourself again, I can relate to being a workaholic,
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having a billion ideas in my head at once.
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But being a mum in itself is such an important role, such a
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massive role and like being present for your kids and
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everything. I, you know, I noticed that you,
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you posted about that kind of recent birthday or something,
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just being more present with your kids and being around.
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And I think that's such a smart move to just like think about
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being around home or being more involved in their lives because
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parenting is such a massive thing.
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I mean, you were obviously involved in their lives, being
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with them in the daycare, but like that slower pace, being
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around the garden, the community, the family, it's,
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it's an underappreciated, powerful thing.
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So bringing all those together and then having that, like you
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said, there's no friction to it because I think that's when you
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know you're in the right spot. Like there isn't this crazy
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friction. And I think if there is
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friction, then you're probably pushing too hard or you're, you
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know, you're trying to make something square peg in a round
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hole type situation. So was there any kind of
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hiccups, hurdles that you faced initially sort of getting to
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that point? I'm even, I'm just even
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picturing your dad making 80 garden beds every weeks or
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something. That's crazy.
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But how does that, yeah. How's that evolved?
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Have there been any problems or anything?
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Yeah, I think, yeah, there was one point it was too busy.
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And so dad works seven days a week basically, whether he's in
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the workshop or he's out delivering and that's him
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anyway. Like even on a day off, you
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know, he'd wanna be doing something.
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Yeah, but there was a point where it was basically not
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humanly possible for him to make keep up with the demand.
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Cause all of a sudden, like, you know, sometimes people order 20
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garden beds and then you have all the other people ordering as
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well. And so now we have 2 workers
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with dad in the workshop. Cool.
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So we got Kerry and Katie and they, so they're in a couple of
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days a week helping dad. And I think that's more
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enjoyable for dad as well. Like I know when I go home and
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visit, like I hope he doesn't watch this, but you know, like
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they sometimes singing a song or like, you know, having a little
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joke and be like, it's nice that it's gotten to the point where
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he can have a couple of workers. And then it takes that, you
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know, he's not just like trying to pump them out.
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It's more of like a a bit more like, you know, they're working
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on a load and they know what's coming up.
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I don't know. I just, I feel, you know, like
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that's been really positive for him because, you know, being a
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farmer, often you do work on your own anyway, but I know it's
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good to have companies. So that was, and we, we
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actually, we've just come out of a really big two months and it
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felt like that again, like just too busy.
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Like I felt like, like it was busy.
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And I know mum and dad were out nearly delivering every weekend.
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Like it just was too busy. Like I'm trying to keep it like
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we don't want to go any more than we've set our region of
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delivery, which is like, you know, the river arena of NSW,
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central West Canberra. And that is manageable.
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And I think when we take we don't want to grow any bigger.
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We just want to, you know, serve like the local community and
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other states travelled to us to collect garden beds.
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So it's just trying to find that balance that we first set out
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like dad's exiting, you know, you know, into retirement
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eventually, like coming out of farming.
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And I'm meant to be having this balanced life I'm seeking and it
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will and it can. And because I have workaholic
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tendencies, it was getting that real business like, you know,
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really, you know, like pumping, trying to keep up with the
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demand. So yeah, I like, that's probably
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the biggest thing is like, OK, well, it's what do we want from
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this? It's like enjoyable.
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Like, you know, mum and dad are out delivering and hand
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delivering the the garden beds themselves and they really enjoy
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that. I know Mum loves that part of
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it. I love, you know, the garden
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community that I've created online and, you know, I'm a
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rookie gardener. So to share my learnings along
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the way, like to try and just make that all balanced is
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probably is something that's probably, yeah, not maybe not
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yet reached it. Just trying to like, you know,
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tune things and just gonna, you know, and that mom's quite good
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with that. She's, you know, she'll, she's
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got her own business where she does like hypnosis and Reiki and
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things. So for her, so dates for
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delivery kind of need to fit around her.
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So it's nice. Like she doesn't do a lot of it
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all the time, but it's nice just to have mum say, oh, that's a
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little bit too close to that or can't do that.
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Yeah. It's just, I think that will
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always be a bit of a part of it. And we ended up opening up a
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second workshop. We need more space.
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So as things have come up, yeah, we just dad like I'm as you can
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see when I talk like I'm like, wait, Dad's just like Dad's just
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like no worries. Yep.
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Good. You know, So he my busyness and
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he's calm. It's like Dad and I've never
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we've never clashed. Like there's never like I stay
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in my line. I run the business.
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And he doesn't know what he just probably thinks I'm fluffing
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around online with the gardening community not knowing.
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And I know I just, you know, he's making the garden, but it's
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like we just, you know, we're doing our own things, so we're
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not. And I mean, we're in separate
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towns. So it's all just worked.
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It's like, you know, to be a father and daughter team that
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maybe not everyone could do that because of like, you know,
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personalities and whatnot. So it's just, yeah, luckily
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enough as this was meant to be. I don't know.
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It's like this was like this. I've never even said this
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before. Like, is it our destiny?
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Like I feel like right now, like this is it feels like it's so
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natural. And I know that sounds bizarre
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to say, but like it it's all just happened.
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We plant like the seed was planted and it's grown into this
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without force. Yeah, yeah.
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So that's it, isn't it? It's that what it's like, like I
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said, the friction is not there. So it feels authentic.
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It feels like it was meant to be because it's the doors are just
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in sliding open. No dramas, you know, and like I
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can totally relate because I know, you know, when you say
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that it can kind of the growth of it can out outpace you a bit.
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It's exciting. It's like, oh, you know, we love
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doing this. Like we and then you get that
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connection with people. You they get to have a lovely
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garden bed and they you know, and they're sharing their
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journey and that becomes somewhat like addictive or it
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becomes this like real feel good thing and you want to keep
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serving that and you want to keep growing and the excitement
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is there, but it's like, hang on, I need to check myself like
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is this, are we going? Am I being taken too far One
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Direction or whatever? But I love how you said that
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your relationship father daughter is schmaker, because
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that was definitely one of my questions is like working with
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her. They say, you know, like don't
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go into business with family and things like this.
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But I actually think that if you have good, I mean, you know,
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you're naturally different people, which works quite well
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and you stay in your lane, as you said, but the but to
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naturally, like naturally people would just kind of both have
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ideas and they might come into it together.
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But I feel like family you should if you've got open
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communication, you can understand each other a little
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bit better. You can give each other a little
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bit more slack and some grace and, and that kind of thing and,
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and hopefully it, it brings you your family closer together.
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Maybe you've, you've obviously found that my my questions then
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like when now that you're having these thoughts about like
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balance and OK, we're kind of capping our area, we've worked
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out how busy we want to go and stuff like that.
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What do you see as like the next couple of steps?
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Like where do you feel like you want to go with it without going
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through your billion ideas like I would?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think like for us, so we
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get to most towns every two months and I think we've just
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come out of the peak of spring. Everyone was wanting garden.
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But so for me, like I run the business and do all the admin
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and then obviously there's the online gardening community and I
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do, I basically I'm a rookie gardener, but I, I've always
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said like, I don't want to just sell garden in bed.
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I want to be the person that people can also come to say,
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here's your garden Med and here is some ideas.
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If you're new to gardening, this is how you can do it.
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And you know, I get Keith Edwards to come in, who's my
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like gardening idol. So we do like live videos.
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I've had other gardening gurus come in and I'm sharing my
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journey like that for me is important.
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And, you know, I think that's going well.
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Like I'm totally, yeah, I feel like for me it's just kind of
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establishing. I, I don't necessarily want to
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the next couple of years or next couple of steps is just
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basically doing what we're doing.
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I don't think anything really needs to change.
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We introduced our wiki embeds over a year ago.
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So we just had like, you know, the corrugated iron, you know,
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rolling that in the water tank into shapes and sizes that we
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do. And then now we've got a wiki
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embed option which has got a waterproof reservoir inside and
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it's like, you know, it's the garden, you know, what we can
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bet is like a waters itself, It's a self watering garden.
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So that's been a bit of a journey when you talked about
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challenges before, like for us to work out how do you get an 80
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year old shared the corrugated iron and to have a permanent
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inbuilt reservoir, what materials stick to what?
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And so we did have a bit of a journey during winter, some of
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the, the membrane, it wasn't curing properly during winter
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time. So we've had to change like
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methods a couple of times. And, you know, and every method,
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you know, my more involvement is a, is a water safe is a few
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graders. Like that's my like, I'd like,
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you know, just that checking like dad's, you know, he's got
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the scientist brain and he's developing it and doing all
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that. And for me, it's just like, make
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sure it's waterproof, food grade, everything we do.
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So, yeah, like that, like for us, that's the Wicken beds are
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probably becoming more popular. Yeah.
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So yeah, there's probably a bit more education around that.
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We could like, you know, to support people, understand that.
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I think people are learning about Wicken beds still for the
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first time. We only heard about it a year
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ago when just before we started making them because a customer
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was going to turn one of our garden beds into a Wicken bed.
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They asked, please don't put the brace in the middle because I'm
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going to turn into a Wicken bed. And we're like a what?
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Yeah. What's that?
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What are you doing? Yeah.
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And so anyway, we're since. Yeah, about a year we've been
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making them. So yeah, with Dad, I think I
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just want to try and slow it down maybe a little bit for him,
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for me, more, many bit more balanced management.
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I'm probably going to say balanced 100 times through this
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chat, but you know, for me to plan out loads so they're not so
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pushed for time. I don't know, maybe just fine
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tweak these balance, you know, for me, you know, I'm a sole
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parent. Like it's just me and the kids,
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like they don't. It's just, yeah, I wear all the
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hats. And so, you know, as things get
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as busy, if they what what it's been, I feel like I it's like
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the seesaw, the like the better the business is going more
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demanding. It's getting like I feel like,
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oh, I'm like I'm a bit more high strung and the kids aren't
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getting the gentleman they need. And then I feel like if I take a
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step like gentle parent and like do all the things, then, you
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know, I feel a bit like out of control with the business.
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Like I was not responding as quickly as I liked.
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It's like it's just trying to find the balance.
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So for me, next step with the business is just for us to
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really continue to enjoy it, but maybe find a bit more balance
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for us. So, yeah, I think we're I've the
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last two, yes. Like I've I have really worked
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really hard. Like, you know, you got to set
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everything up, you got to set up a website, you got to do this,
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you got to do this, you got to, you know, build a business.
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And now that we have it's, it's like.
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Yeah, yeah. Let's have these chats with
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Keith and other gurus. Let's help the people in the
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garden like Dad, like, you know, just give him because basically
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I take all the orders and then I say, Dad, this is your load On
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this date. It should just be a little bit
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more flowing like that. Like where I feel like, yeah,
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we've it's probably been a little bit like, yeah,
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sometimes. But I think that's my
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personality anyway. So I don't know how much like,
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you know, the shoulder drop. Yeah, that I'll get in life.
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I know it. Yeah, I know what you mean.
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That makes a lot of sense. The balance thing, like you
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said, is the most hard, hardest thing to achieve.
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Think like even just parenting on its own is just that.
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Like it's one of the hardest jobs, let alone having to do it
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on your own. And how many kids do you have?
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Sorry. So Ned's four and Frankie is 6.
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Awesome, awesome. That's so cool.
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Yeah. And look at it, I honestly
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think, and this is if like because I've become, I've been a
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workaholic and I've done big roles in everything.
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I was actually in Perth just before I came back to Hungary.
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I'd lived in like Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.
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And when we spoke earlier about the timing, like if dad had to
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retire a year earlier, I would have still been in Perth.
22:51
Like Kenley's rustics would never have happened.
22:54
Now, like I live in a country town.
22:58
I'm a sole parent with no family in my town.
23:00
It's like how what does my life look like?
23:02
And I feel like we had, I do love our lifestyle.
23:08
I love that we have, I'm looking at my, I can see my veggie patch
23:10
right there in my front of the yard.
23:12
Like we have this like homegrown lifestyle.
23:16
And we, we have a nice little family.
23:20
Like it's like you could have all the money in the world, but
23:25
you, the rich people can grow vegetables and, you know, the
23:28
middle class, like you can grow vegetables and like it's just
23:32
we, I feel like I'm living our best life.
23:36
I'm growing my own vegetables. I just picked out my own
23:38
beetroot for lunch today. Like I'm not a material like
23:41
stick person. I I'm all about like, you know,
23:44
does your heart feel full? Does your, is your heart OK?
23:47
And do you feel like well-being? And that's the patch like is
23:52
basically what what's given that to the kids and myself.
23:56
And I said of this the other day, I think on the post, like,
23:59
you know, like grandma, you know, 80 years ago they had to
24:05
grow their own vegetables, right?
24:06
But this day and age, I have a supermarket 2 minutes down the
24:09
road. I'm choosing to grow my own.
24:11
I'm choosing to teach my children about vegetables.
24:14
I'm choosing to to teach them about, you know, what's
24:17
chemicals, What's we don't grow with chemicals like, but the
24:21
supermarket like it's all these conversations.
24:24
And for me, like, OK, well, I am a sole parent.
24:28
I am living in a country town. I do need to live a simple life.
24:30
How can we make that rich? Like for me, like, nature brings
24:34
me calmness. The veggie patch brings us this
24:37
lifestyle that is fulfilling. Like, and I, you know, I started
24:43
learning to garden two years ago to grow vegetables because I
24:46
didn't know how to. And I did not want to sell
24:49
garden beds and not know how to garden and give advice.
24:54
Like I, like, I wanted people to come, you know, to us.
24:57
And it's just flipped it on it, like, on its head.
25:00
Like, I'm like, I love it. Like, you know, like what's
25:05
like. Yeah.
25:06
Like it's like this gift that's coming to our life.
25:09
Like, I love it and I love it for my kids.
25:11
And I, you know, this balance that I'm seeking.
25:14
I'm giving that to my kids now and trying to give him that
25:18
skill. My, my daughter in particular
25:20
was born with a busy brain like me.
25:21
And like, it's a place we can slow down.
25:24
And, you know, she asked the most curious questions about the
25:29
garden and about what's this growing like, how's that
25:32
growing? And then I love it, you know,
25:35
like it's all so. Inspiring.
25:38
I love and but you know, like, but I feel like I'm feeling it
25:42
in my heart and my chest that we're doing like our business is
25:46
providing this for families, the everyday person.
25:48
Like like I said this the other day, like I don't want to just
25:51
sell a dream. Like I want to show you how to
25:53
get there. Like I'm leaving it like it's I
25:56
picked my own B treat for lunch today, you know, like it's like
26:00
and all the summer veggies are going.
26:01
We're going to be in abundance soon.
26:02
Like it's like anyone can do this.
26:06
And I just love that our business is providing them like
26:11
the tools that's like, you know, and then they bring it to life.
26:14
Like yeah, I could go on for hours, but and I I listened to
26:19
Keith Edwards chat with you. You, you had him on recently and
26:22
he spoke about passion and a lot and it is you.
26:27
It's being passionate about helping people, being
26:30
passionate, you know, about being on the top of the mum I
26:33
want to be. It's all about passion in life
26:35
and you know, gardening in nature, you know, it's a lot of
26:39
passion and you know, isn't it? It's just like.
26:42
Oh. Totally different to life.
26:43
I always think about like, I don't know what else it could
26:46
be. Like, you know, it's about
26:48
helping people, It's about connection, it's about
26:51
community. It's all these things.
26:53
And you don't need to be a billionaire for that.
26:54
Like you can just have it in your backyard or in my case, in
26:57
my front yard. So yeah, I could talk in
27:00
circles. That's no.
27:01
No, no, Joe, that's beautiful. Everything you said really
27:05
strikes a chord in my heart too, because I feel like I feel like
27:10
it's something that everybody sort of yearns for deep down.
27:14
That community connection, that groundedness, that connection to
27:18
land to where our food comes from, just like nature in
27:22
general. Like we are nature.
27:23
We're not separate from it. And that the richness that you
27:27
speak about, that you're creating in your life that any
27:31
kind of millionaire, billionaire, whatever just won't
27:34
have in their huge empty modern mansion.
27:37
Like I just too often, I don't know, this is much more
27:42
appreciated in the gardening community that, that we're in.
27:45
But you know, too often you see all of these curated lives and
27:49
material lives that people will have on social media and all of
27:52
this. And it's this image of success
27:54
and, and, and wealth and all of this kind of thing.
27:57
But it's realistically the life that you're creating where you
28:02
like the joy that you get from seeing your child, reaping the
28:06
benefits of picking something you've grown yourself and being
28:10
curious about it, being happy, seeing them just putter around
28:13
the garden. Like that kind of level of self
28:16
satisfaction cannot be beaten. And the same thing that you're
28:20
doing with your business that you mentioned creating this for
28:23
other people, allowing them to step into that as well.
28:27
Like, you know, I, I mean, I, I bring him up a lot because he's
28:30
so important in my life with my, and my little boy is only 5
28:34
months old and starting to really explore the world.
28:37
And the amount of joy that that brings me over anything that I
28:42
could possibly do is just immense.
28:44
And like every single morning when the sun comes up and he
28:47
wakes up at an ungodly hour, we're out there in the garden
28:51
and I'm just watching his bright blue eyes stare around the
28:55
garden and like, feel some of the leaves.
28:58
And just like that kind of feeling and connection and that
29:02
satisfaction I get from giving him those moments.
29:05
Yeah, it's just something that is unmatched.
29:08
So, but when you've got, yeah, I mean, like running a business
29:14
and then having to do all the admin and like, you know, the
29:17
finances and the tax, it's like it feels like we're split
29:20
between these two. I just want to enjoy my garden.
29:23
I don't want to have to worry about all this business.
29:25
But then it's also facilitating this lifestyle that you're then
29:30
able to provide and give you all of that value.
29:36
So I genuinely really appreciate your authenticity and sharing
29:40
that. I think it's so, so amazing.
29:43
Hey, guys, really quickly jumping in.
29:45
I just want to remind you, if you are not subscribed to this
29:48
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29:59
All right, back to the show. Can you can you talk to me about
30:02
your journey then getting into the gardening community?
30:05
So like you spoke about, you know, starting to share your
30:09
journey and you call yourself a, a rookie gardener, but I think
30:13
that you're going to be out of that quite soon.
30:16
I think that you're not you're surpassing that title already.
30:22
What's it been like for you connecting with people in the
30:24
gardening community? What's the reception being like
30:27
and how does that feel for you? Yeah, I, I think it initially
30:32
when I started sharing my journey, it was just me and the
30:34
kids in the garden, you know, and I would share our updates
30:39
and you're at the start, we probably had like 20 followers
30:41
and I still share the like the same, you know, today is what I
30:46
did. Then it's just showing up.
30:48
It's being real. So I think if you're being real,
30:53
it attracts another. What do they say?
30:55
It attracts your tribe like you're real, like you'll find
30:59
your own community. And I think the people that
31:02
would follow Henley's rustics, probably I, you know, your
31:07
everyday gardener starting out or you know, looking for
31:11
connection to gardening or you know, we do.
31:14
We've got a whole range of rookies to experts.
31:18
And I think I because I show up real, I don't know how to be any
31:21
other way. It's attracted that that
31:26
community. And you know, even I I do video
31:29
tours in my garden and I had one I thought was paterie mildew.
31:34
And then two people messaged me and said, I don't think that is
31:36
Joe like I think just feel the leaf.
31:38
And anyway, they said she sent me Karen and Kylie, these two
31:43
ladies. One of them sent me this like
31:45
post about how there's different shapes on leaves and I like
31:49
there was no, oh, she's wrong. She's like, like it was just
31:54
like, hey, did you like maybe I don't.
31:56
It's just, there's no competition.
31:58
Everyone's just trying to help each other out.
32:00
Like it's just so like we all want the best for each other.
32:06
And I, you know, if I say something like I'll mention it
32:10
to them and then people message me from other states that are
32:13
not even customers and ask me a question.
32:16
And I love that. Like I'm not here just to serve
32:18
our like customers. Like it's, it's a broader
32:22
community. I like beautiful that there is a
32:24
percentage of the people in the online gardening community that
32:27
are our customers, but it's just everyone helping each other out.
32:30
And I am and I will keep calling myself a rookie because the
32:33
reason why I'll probably always be a rookie and I've listened to
32:36
your podcast is that you've got a brilliant brain and know all
32:40
the terminologies for these, what's going on in the earth and
32:44
what's that you like all these like, you know, scientific
32:49
names. I, my brain doesn't remember
32:50
names like that. And I you know, I did a video of
32:53
my patch when I call, you know, the little climbing arms, like
32:58
and and then like in that the the hairy bits off the bottom of
33:03
like I will always be I'm not going to be ever be like, you
33:06
know, Keith Edwards or yourself that can rattle off all these
33:09
things. I'll be very Sampit level
33:13
terminology and I and I I I like being a rookie.
33:16
Actually, I think it's in this space of making mistakes, which
33:21
I just call learning. And you know, I think everyone
33:24
is always learn. Even Keith Edwards said he's
33:26
always learning and he said that in podcast.
33:30
Yeah. So for my experience with the
33:32
online community is just just beautiful, like such a beautiful
33:36
community. And look, not everyone probably
33:40
likes our page and then they probably don't follow and that's
33:43
OK. I'm an over sharer.
33:46
I am not polished. I yeah, like, and some people
33:52
might be like, oh, what's this page?
33:54
And they might go and follow a, you know, cottage, someone that
33:58
that looks like Pinterest and everything.
34:00
It's like, you know, like there's, I think there's space
34:03
for everyone in this world and, you know, the gardening
34:06
community in general. Yeah.
34:09
Are just real people. Yeah, they definitely are.
34:12
And but I think that that realness, that authenticity can
34:15
be sniffed out a mile away by a follower like, you know, you're
34:20
I've been guilty in the past of like trying to, I guess, you
34:28
know, not necessary. I don't want to use the word
34:30
fake it till you make it type thing, but just like pretend to
34:33
be something that I'm not necessarily.
34:36
And then moving into this gardening space, I've just kind
34:39
of gone like this is what I love.
34:41
This is my lane. And you know, so many people,
34:46
even with content like turning the camera on yourself, I just
34:52
have a thought. I switch it on and I say it and
34:55
that one, usually that's one take and it's done.
34:58
I can't have any more friction than that.
35:01
Because if I'm thinking about what I have to say and curate
35:04
something and and put it together, then that's just not
35:06
me. And it people can figure that
35:09
out. And like the other, they have
35:11
what I would post and I was like, oh, this plant that, you
35:14
know, this pigeon pee or something I said and it was the
35:17
wrong name. Like I said the wrong name.
35:19
I knew what it was, but I said the wrong name.
35:20
And then I kind of had, unfortunately some people just
35:25
going, oh, he's, you know, blah, blah, blah.
35:26
They'll put like he doesn't know what he's talking about.
35:29
But then the majority of people, like you say, are super
35:33
receptive to being like, Hey, you know, we're all supporting
35:38
each other. And yeah, like I, you know, I
35:45
may know some of the, the sciency terms in my soil world.
35:49
But at the end of the day, if you can produce a really good
35:52
quality end result, it doesn't matter what you call it.
35:54
It doesn't matter how it matters that you've got that beautiful
35:58
result and you're enjoying the process in the meantime.
36:00
And like, I totally can say I'm always learning and I'm a rookie
36:04
at so many areas of gardening. I just have spent more hours
36:09
studying one particular area than than others.
36:13
So like that's where I feel like this particular, you know,
36:20
conversations in this podcast for me, it's just the absolute
36:23
best. I get to chat to so many
36:24
different people, learn so many different because I can't live
36:28
all of these lives and learn all of these experiences.
36:31
This is where that community comes in, the passing down of
36:34
generations, the sharing of stories and things where I can
36:37
be like, oh, like I remembered so and so, like, for example, I
36:41
remember Joe saying this about how she was growing this and
36:43
then she realized it was that. And I cannot make that mistake
36:46
too. And Keith said this, I'll add in
36:49
your rock minerals or whatever. And it helps with this.
36:51
And you just, I enjoy this so much, being able to chat to
36:56
people and like, you know, I know that you're really enjoying
36:59
it too, being able to go on live and starting to have that and
37:03
just getting to pick people's brains with all the selfish
37:06
questions that you have. Do you think that's something
37:10
like that you might continue in terms of because I know you said
37:15
like you, you want to be somebody that can walk the walk
37:19
as well and help people in this kind of thing.
37:21
But like, give it a few years, Joe.
37:25
And I reckon you know what, even now, you're leaps and bounds
37:28
ahead of somebody who's just starting out.
37:30
So you don't necessarily have to be an expert or have to be
37:35
somebody that's this big, you know, studied person.
37:38
Like I have 0 documents to my name on gardening. 0.
37:44
It's all being self-taught, looking up lectures, getting in
37:49
the garden, learning from people.
37:53
And some people have a problem with that because I don't have
37:55
my, you know, dots and names things after my name or whatever
37:58
it is. But then I don't necessarily see
38:02
that as a marker for knowledge or wisdom, whatever it is.
38:07
So do you see yourself becoming more of that person?
38:11
Would you like to be something like more of that person that
38:14
can help people on their journey?
38:16
Yeah, well, I think I'm just doing it as it is anyway.
38:19
Like for me two years ago when I first thought I know I better, I
38:23
better learn how to garden. Like I went and put the garden
38:26
bed and filled it up. It was a shady spot in my
38:28
backyard. Did not even know about the
38:30
rules about sun. And then, you know, and then I'm
38:33
like, OK, we better go buy some vegetables.
38:35
And so I went and bought a broccoli in February and put
38:39
that in the garden. Yeah, because, you know, I
38:41
didn't realise actually you don't need to start that till
38:45
autumn broccoli. And so it bolted.
38:48
Like there's so many things that you, there's some fundamentals
38:54
to start out in gardening. And I basically did all the
38:56
wrong things because I just was like, OK, I'm going to start the
38:58
garden. I better learn quick, quick,
38:59
quick. And so I did like so many issues
39:02
at the start and then like with 0 because my, there's so much,
39:09
you know, gardening is such a broad topic and what I do focus
39:15
more on is vegetable growing. Like that's, you know, we sell
39:18
garden beds and probably 80% of our customers to 90% will be
39:23
growing vegetables in them. You know, some buy them just for
39:26
flowers. So once I started making all
39:30
these mistakes, you know, like somehow Keith Edwards fell fell
39:35
into my life and we just started doing these videos and quite
39:39
quickly I learned, you know, about positioning sun soil
39:44
health is the most important aspect of it.
39:46
If you can't get your soil health right, then your
39:49
vegetables might be successful. If your vegetables aren't
39:52
successful, there's probably something wrong with your soil
39:54
health. Like, and then so for me it's
39:57
like, OK, well then I better go and tell my customers this
40:01
because it's like, well, because there's so many people that are
40:04
seeing this dream life or they're wanting to get into, you
40:08
know, growing veggies with their family.
40:10
But that will like me, possibly naive, just had no idea.
40:16
And so for me, like that cycle will always happen.
40:19
You people will. You know, maybe because all of a
40:24
sudden they bought their new house or they've gotten a bit
40:26
older or their circumstance circumstances change or they've
40:29
been really stressed in life looking for a well-being
40:31
balanced lifestyle. There will always be like a new
40:35
cycle of people coming into that brand new experience of growing
40:39
vegetables. So when you said like, do I can
40:42
imagine like what continuing or doing it further?
40:46
I just think it's like for me, I love helping those beginners.
40:50
I don't I feel like, OK, someone needed to be gardening.
40:55
OK, where are you going to put your garden?
40:56
But you need the sun. OK, let's focus on getting your
40:59
soil right and then seasonal planting.
41:01
Don't buy your broccoli in February.
41:04
You know, like that in itself is such a lot of education and that
41:07
can take a couple of years just on its own.
41:10
Oh, yeah. And then, you know, then there's
41:12
companion planning and then like, you know, you for me, I
41:16
didn't, I've only just started looking at companion planning on
41:19
my second year in like, yeah, second.
41:21
Like I just feel like there's the fundamentals, like you had
41:25
must haves and then there's some extra nice haves, you know, and
41:29
then like pest control and, you know, there's all these things
41:33
that I think for me, just supporting the beginners is so
41:39
important. And I feel like I am
41:42
experiencing it personally, myself and my kids.
41:45
Like that's where I'm at. And so many of our customers are
41:49
brand new and I want to be that support for them.
41:51
And if you come to our page, hopefully you'll learn like I'll
41:57
get the some information of how to get started at my keep my
42:01
chat with Keith or my, you know, chat with other gurus that I've
42:04
been doing. Like it's a go to place for a
42:06
beginner. And I love that we also have
42:09
experts in the community as well, you know, that actually
42:13
comment on some things. And yeah, support as well.
42:18
But I do really love helping the beginners because I'm a beginner
42:22
and there's no point of me trying to teach an expert at
42:25
anything because I already know like they're like, they're going
42:27
to be looking for Keith Edwards directly or they're going to be
42:31
looking for people that have been in the industry for 40
42:34
years. Like there's people that like
42:37
gurus go to go to them. Like don't come to me about an
42:41
expert problem because I'll just ask Keith, you know what I mean?
42:44
So I I feel like me, the only position I can really stand on
42:48
and that I feel naturally OK with is like, have just heard
42:52
this. Maybe you could try that.
42:55
Or this is what I've done so far.
42:56
It's working well for me. But you could check out this
42:59
one. And there's so many different
43:00
ways to get soil health. And I use Keith Edwards like his
43:04
little formula of his combo, you know, with these like compost
43:08
and his rock dust and his beerous soil worm casting.
43:10
Like I use Keith's combo and it works well for me so that I tell
43:14
people that's what I use. So, yeah, when you, I'm going
43:17
around in circles, but you asked what would I do for the next
43:19
couple of years as well, do that in, you know, six months time
43:23
there'll be a couple of more 100 followers that will be brand
43:27
new. And then, you know, next year
43:29
there's Four Seasons in a year. Well, it's the same
43:31
conversation. Next year.
43:32
We're getting ready for spring planting, we're getting ready
43:34
for summer plant. Like it's the same thing, but
43:36
maybe next year I might know some extra tips or go, Hey,
43:41
that's not powdering. You're due.
43:44
I I remember, you know, like, did you feel the leaf?
43:47
Like, you know, like that the conversations I've been having
43:50
this year and the learnings will help me next year.
43:54
Yeah, and the like, and the way you say it too, could just land
43:57
with somebody differently, Just they might be ready to hear it
44:00
at the right time. Or like the way you dissect
44:04
something that you heard from Keith might like, you know,
44:07
from, say, if I'm spitting words out or Keith is saying stuff
44:11
that just doesn't make sense to someone who's beginning.
44:13
And then you go, hey, like that basically just means this.
44:16
And then they go like, cool. And they can go away and feel
44:20
empowered to do that because the barrier to entry.
44:24
It's getting easier to be able to get into gardening.
44:26
It's getting more important to get into gardening and have a
44:28
bit more food sovereignty. And helping the beginners means
44:34
that there's less friction for them getting to a result,
44:37
getting to that satisfaction of being able to grow their own
44:39
food. And then ultimately taking the
44:42
power back from these big food conglomerates to bring it back
44:46
to the individual, the community, allowing them to make
44:51
positive food choices about where it comes from, the types
44:55
of treatment that is on it and all of these types of things.
44:58
And ultimately that leads to like this.
45:01
It's the ripple effect, you know, and I think I, I often
45:03
think one person at a time. That's a lot of the motto that I
45:06
keep saying to myself because I sometimes just want to scream
45:11
out from the rooftops about certain things because I again,
45:15
passion, that's where it comes from.
45:16
I'm just like, everybody needs to know this because it's so
45:19
important. But then I'm not in the
45:22
convincing business. That's not what I'm trying to
45:24
do. It's more like, let's just have
45:27
these genuine conversations with people and when somebody is in
45:31
the right situation at the right time, that one conversation with
45:35
that one person might create something, plant that seed, and
45:39
then it's the ripple effect. They then go and do the same
45:42
thing for somebody else and then for someone else and it just
45:45
emanates out from that. And I used to think we need to
45:52
just get, you know, you need more people to just understand
45:55
this concept. And it's like, well, I wasn't
45:59
ready to understand that concept at one point in time.
46:02
So how can I expect and force somebody else and, and any, any
46:06
of that kind of when I'm too passionate or too screaming out
46:09
too loud from the rooftops, then it makes people almost want to
46:14
back away kind of they're just like, whoa, OK, like I'm not
46:17
ready for this. So I really like.
46:20
Coffee. Yeah, like.
46:21
Yeah, yeah, It's like I, I really love that you're thinking
46:25
about just going, hey, look, let's just make it simple for
46:29
you guys to start to have a bit of this life that you want, that
46:34
you want to create and just start just getting involved and
46:39
feeling good. I can't even believe that they
46:41
sold you broccoli seedlings in February, to be honest.
46:44
Like they shouldn't. Even well that, well that's what
46:46
like and that's what I say to our new rookie customers is that
46:51
trying look at your seasonal guides because what is happening
46:56
in your nurseries? Are they groaning like in
46:59
controlled environments? And yeah, they do have broccoli
47:04
already in February because they've grown it in a controlled
47:07
environment and they're putting it in.
47:09
Yeah. So there's no real rules of what
47:11
they're going to put in the nurseries.
47:12
You need to look yourself. Actually, I'm, and then I'm in
47:15
Forbes NSW. Like we're still experiencing
47:19
hot, hot weather until like April.
47:22
Like, you know, it's it's like what you're doing and I'm doing
47:26
is still can be world departed as well like you.
47:29
So it's like you got to look at your seasonal guides for your
47:32
area. Don't I don't just look at when
47:35
Keith's planting things like he says, look out for your soil
47:39
temperature. And I'm a structured bit more of
47:42
a structured brain gardener. So I have a thermometer.
47:44
I'm like, I checked the soil temperature.
47:47
You know, I'm planting keys. My soil is ready to go.
47:50
And you know, he's down in Victoria still waiting on times.
47:53
I think, you know, and that's what I say, like there's,
47:57
there's all these like things that can go wrong as a rookie
48:04
garden. And so people go, I can't do it
48:06
anymore. Like so, so like for me, it's
48:08
just like, I repeat, like, you know, like I said, I'll be
48:12
saying the same things next year because you repeat the things
48:14
and then, like you said, it might land differently next to
48:16
that conversation. People aren't ready for that
48:18
yet. You know, I it can just someone
48:23
said really nice. Actually, Glenn has sent me this
48:25
feedback the other day. Just like thank you for all your
48:27
tips, Joe And she I look up to her.
48:29
She's a landscape designer. I said, Oh my gosh, thank you.
48:33
I said, I hope it helps one person.
48:35
She says, well, it helps me like, you know, like like you
48:38
said before, it might just it's one person.
48:40
I and I said I just want to help at least one person.
48:43
If I've done a video, I think it's helped at least one person
48:47
because it's landed at the right time for them.
48:50
Worth doing, you know? Yeah.
48:53
And I look, I don't go too much into pushing like what's
48:57
happening in the big food industry.
48:59
Like I more just like the lifestyle, homegrown lifestyle
49:05
that you have. You can control what's in your
49:07
food. I use no chemicals that
49:09
everything's certified. Well, you know, you, you can't
49:12
guarantee soil initially, but what I put onto them and you
49:15
know, you can control that. It's fresh, healthy food
49:18
straight from the patch to your plate basically.
49:21
And I know my fights not to try and, you know, have those big
49:25
conversations about all the things that are going wrong in
49:30
the industry because I don't have the terminology for I don't
49:32
have the expert insights that I just know the benefits of
49:36
growing your own home veggies and your little boy that you go
49:39
out first thing in the morning and he's like, that's that's
49:42
where it all starts from, isn't it?
49:43
It's letting my daughter pick the first tomato for the year.
49:46
Like how huge is that? That's grown in our own garden.
49:50
Like, you know, you go to the supermarket and there's hundreds
49:53
of tomatoes, but we grew that one from a seed, Yeah, months
49:56
and months ago. And now you get to eat the first
49:58
one like that. It's not just the joy of
50:01
growing, but like, it's like nothing's going to taste better
50:04
than that chemical free growing in your own garden.
50:07
Like it's. Yeah.
50:08
Yeah, it's definitely the education around that.
50:11
But like, it's, I think what what I'm getting from what you
50:14
just said, it's like you're walking the walk of the life
50:19
that you want to lead. And then basically, rather than
50:25
convincing and telling people this is what we need to do,
50:28
you're just showing people. Yeah, it's a way of life and you
50:30
can choose it or not. It's like there's an alternative
50:33
and this is about your health, of your family, but it's a
50:38
lifestyle. Like I'm a high strung person
50:42
with a very busy brain. I'm the most calmest in the
50:45
patch. My kids are like in nature, like
50:48
and I'm not just selling that. Like for me personally, like
50:52
that has worked and I still am seeking balance.
50:56
Like I'm not saying it's your miracle answer.
51:00
Like you need to like like there's other things you need to
51:02
do in life, go for a walk and all these things, but it's like
51:05
a game changer. So yeah, I'm not I did a video
51:07
about it. The other, I'm not just saying
51:09
this will change a lot. Like it's I'm just showing you
51:13
and then I'm sharing like a huge part of my pages.
51:16
I like to show our customers progress and showing their patch
51:21
what they're up to because we're all just everyday people and
51:25
some might have two garden beds and some might have 10.
51:27
Everyone's just doing their own little part for their family and
51:31
for themselves. And I don't change the filter
51:36
them and like, you know, add something to their photos.
51:39
Like I love that they're everyday photos.
51:41
Like don't try and make them. I mean, some of them are very
51:44
beautiful photos that people send through.
51:46
And I'm like, wow. But I just love like just your
51:49
everyday photo or like to of your real patch.
51:52
They're like, sorry about the weeds.
51:53
I love the weeds because it's just like it shows realness.
51:57
Like we don't have time to always pull out the weeds next
51:59
to the garden. But it's like, I think it's just
52:02
like not to show that it's this unreachable, you know, go that
52:08
anyone can do it and it doesn't have to look fancy.
52:11
It doesn't have to be like keeping up with the Joneses.
52:14
There's not. It's just about what personally
52:17
it benefits you and if you've got a family, how it benefits
52:20
your family and your well-being. Like it's yeah, it's not, I'm
52:24
not on here just to go, oh, look at my life like I'm doing it.
52:28
Yes, to educate people how you can do it.
52:30
But in the end, like where it's for my little family, like it's
52:34
yeah in look, I won't go into like, you know, but personally,
52:41
my being a solo parent and the kids are only having one parent
52:46
that wears all their hats. It could be a very sad life and
52:50
not my kids do struggle at times, but they our lives do
52:53
feel full because I'm trying to add these little things into
52:56
your into their lives. And anyway, I could go into a
53:00
whole tangent about that. But yeah, bring me in with the
53:02
next question. I just, no, I think you're doing
53:06
a brilliant job at that because it's not, it's not perfect, but
53:10
this curated life, this curated gardens, like, oh man, I see
53:16
going through Brisbane sometimes on my travels and whatever, I
53:19
see these just like perfectly manicured lawns and gardens and
53:25
things. And it's just not a
53:26
representation of real life or nature at all.
53:29
And I think showing up, warts and all, weeds and all, is just
53:35
like so much more real that when somebody sees it, they go,
53:39
actually, it's OK to be like that.
53:43
It's fine. That's actually a good thing
53:45
that you've got certain different things popping up in
53:47
your garden. It's not something to be scared
53:49
of. And yeah, having having more
53:56
people like yourself that and lead that life, promote that
53:59
kind of thing is exactly what we need.
54:02
So I'm just I'm, I'm a big supporter of you.
54:05
I think you're. Amazing.
54:06
Thanks, Jordan, That's so kind. And don't get me wrong, like the
54:09
people that do have well manicured, manicured garden and
54:14
like you know Colleen in orange like she's got the most
54:17
beautiful gun. She's in that stage of her life.
54:19
Like it's different people in stages of their life, different
54:22
circumstances. I'm not saying.
54:23
That's very true. I'm ruling out all the pretty
54:26
gardens and saying like it's not real enough.
54:28
I'm just saying like the everyday person, you know,
54:32
that's what it is. You're just doing what you can.
54:34
But I'm not ditching the gardens that do look beautiful and some
54:37
of them are like a breathtaking and they're in the space that
54:39
they can do that. And that's like, that's
54:42
brilliant as well. I just think there's space for
54:44
all of us. And there we have it, ladies and
55:03
gentlemen. I told you you'd be so inspired.
55:05
Joe is absolutely incredible. She's an amazing woman doing
55:09
some incredible things, not only juggling being a mom, but also
55:13
running a business, family business, being in a country
55:16
town and battling all of the things life has to throw at us.
55:20
So I'd really love you to go and check out Henley's rustics if
55:23
you haven't come across them before.
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Go and say good day to Joe. Go and tell her that you enjoyed
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55:50
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55:55
Can't wait to see you again soon.
55:57
O thank you, take care and bye for now.