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The Kenny Report | 7 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me on the Kenny Report. For Islamic State,
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  Speaker 3: women and nine children are about to land in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Will cross live to the airport.
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  Speaker 3: What does this tell us about the government's attitude to
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  Speaker 3: Islamist extremism, national security and social cohesion?
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  Speaker 1: The Pharaoh by election this weekend. Will it be a
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  Speaker 1: springboard for one nation or a setback.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get the latest on the Middle East war from
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  Speaker 3: former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer and find out too whether
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  Speaker 3: he'll take over as Liberal Federal President. The former snowy
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  Speaker 3: two point o boss tells us why the project is
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  Speaker 3: running over time and bleeding taxpayers money. In sport with
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  Speaker 3: Mark Robinson, psychologists for footy clubs, and I'll get Tim
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  Speaker 3: Blair and Mark Nicholson to explain Anthony Albanese's.
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  Speaker 1: Problem with the truth.
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  Speaker 3: The Isis brides for women who turned their backs on
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  Speaker 3: this country to join the Islamic State terrorist caliphate dedicated
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  Speaker 3: to killing Jews, Christians and all non Muslims. The Isis
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  Speaker 3: Caliphate committed to overthrowing democracy and freedom. Well, those four
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  Speaker 3: women are now about to arrive back in this country,
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  Speaker 3: demanding the very freedom and respect that isis was committed
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  Speaker 3: to destroying, and demanding it too for their nine children
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  Speaker 3: that they've brought back with them, and we as a country,
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  Speaker 3: despite the government's denials, have helped them return. We've sorted
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  Speaker 3: out their passports, organized care for their children, with our
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  Speaker 3: welfare system and health care and education systems all ready
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  Speaker 3: to help out.
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  Speaker 1: This is what we do in this country.
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  Speaker 3: We pour money and resources into people who choose to
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  Speaker 3: be our enemies. Even just five months after fifteen innocent
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  Speaker 3: Australians were shot dead on Bondi Beach in an alleged
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  Speaker 3: act of Islamist terror. We bring in people who chose
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  Speaker 3: Islamist hatred and violence over Australia and freedom. And we
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  Speaker 3: do this at the same time we allow Islamist hate
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  Speaker 3: preachers to spread bile in our communities, and instead our
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  Speaker 3: government has banned Israeli politicians and advocates. This happens while
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  Speaker 3: we spend three hundred million dollars pursuing alleged and possibly
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  Speaker 3: unprovable crimes by our soldiers in a long running war
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  Speaker 3: that tried to defeat Islamist terrorism in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 1: We are a confused country.
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  Speaker 3: Our moral compass, if we have one, is spinning wildly.
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  Speaker 1: Our national leadership.
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  Speaker 3: Lacks moral clarity, courage and consistency. Just another example unfolded
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  Speaker 3: today at the Royal Commission into Anty Semitism, with a
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  Speaker 3: public servant revealing she was admonished for daring to display
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  Speaker 3: posters supporting the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: They were posters that essentially had the photograph of the hostage.
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  Speaker 4: It had a red message underneath, just saying bring them home.
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  Speaker 5: And what did your manager say to you about those
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  Speaker 5: images that you had displayed.
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  Speaker 4: My manager told me I needed to remove them from
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  Speaker 4: the wall because of the likelihood of them upsetting or
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  Speaker 4: offending other people in the workplace.
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  Speaker 3: Elderly hostages, young women, families, children and babies kidnapped, raped,
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  Speaker 3: murdered and held as.
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  Speaker 1: Hostages by hummas.
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  Speaker 3: But our political elites are so morally decrepit that not
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  Speaker 3: only do they fail to offer sympathy or support, they
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  Speaker 3: stopped others.
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  Speaker 1: From doing so. This is grotesque.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the New South Wales Health Department apparently checked in
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  Speaker 3: on staff upset by the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: Good on them, but there was no.
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  Speaker 3: Care or check in for anyone perturbed by Hamas's atrocities
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  Speaker 3: and invasion of Southern israel I despair for this country.
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  Speaker 3: Jewish Australians have been abandoned. Islamist extremism is left unchecked,
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  Speaker 3: unmentioned by our Prime Minister, and the Jewish community continues
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  Speaker 3: to endure threats, attacks and fear. I'm afraid they are
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  Speaker 3: the kenaries in the coal mine for all of us.
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  Speaker 3: The same threat exists for all of us, but our
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  Speaker 3: leaders do not see it. They won't mention it, they
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  Speaker 3: deny it, and yet they actually welcome it onto our s.
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  Speaker 3: Just on the budget, it's clear it will contain tax
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  Speaker 3: hikes and broken promises, you know, the pack drill. They
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  Speaker 3: lie to you to get elected. They make promises to
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  Speaker 3: get elected.
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  Speaker 1: Then early in the term.
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  Speaker 3: They take us all for mugs, break their promises and
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  Speaker 3: sock it to us.
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  Speaker 1: As I showed you last.
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  Speaker 3: Night, Anthony Albanezi has a very loose relationship with the truth.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Albo is so disconnected from reality. He'll be recruited any.
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  Speaker 3: Day now as an afl umpire. But the Treasurer is
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  Speaker 3: hot on his heels. Just listen to the arrogance. Have
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  Speaker 3: a look at the smugness, as he calmly tells us
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  Speaker 3: this morning on Sky News, how he will justify breaking
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  Speaker 3: core election promises.
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  Speaker 7: I think the responsibility is to explain why, if there's
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  Speaker 7: a change of view, why the government has come to
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  Speaker 7: a different view, and if there are changes in that
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  Speaker 7: regard on Budget night, then that's what I intend to do,
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  Speaker 7: to explain why the government's come to a different.
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  Speaker 3: View, has come to a different view. The government has
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  Speaker 3: come to a different view. Vote for me because I
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  Speaker 3: promised to cut your power bill. Vote for me because
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  Speaker 3: I promise not to change the tax cuts. Vote for
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  Speaker 3: me because I promise not to increase taxes on housing investments.
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  Speaker 3: But now you've voted for me, I have come to
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  Speaker 3: a different view. What snake oil salesman, Well, I think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of voters might soon come to a different
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  Speaker 3: view too. If you've voted labor, I urge you to
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  Speaker 3: come to a different view.
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  Speaker 1: But I won't.
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  Speaker 3: I won't change my mind one little bit because I
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  Speaker 3: have always thought that this was one of the least talented,
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  Speaker 3: least experienced, most left wing and most dishonest cabinet teams
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  Speaker 3: ever assembled.
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  Speaker 1: This country is headed for very difficult times.
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  Speaker 3: The Parer by election this weekend will be interesting, but
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  Speaker 3: what will it actually mean. If the Liberals lose, it
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  Speaker 3: won't be such a surprise. It's the sort of thing
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  Speaker 3: that happens in tricky by elections. This one's triggered, of course,
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  Speaker 3: by the resignation of former Liberal leader Susan Lee. But
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  Speaker 3: still it'd be a worry because once seats are lost
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  Speaker 3: to independents or minor parties, they tend to be very
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  Speaker 3: hard to win back. There's a good chance that one
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  Speaker 3: nation could win it, which could be a significant turning point.
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  Speaker 3: It'd be the very first time that they've won a
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  Speaker 3: federal lower House seat. Could it be a prelude to
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  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's outfit winning a swag of seats at the
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  Speaker 3: next election.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, but maybe not.
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  Speaker 3: It's just so far away now, eighteen months or so
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  Speaker 3: at least till the next election, and you'd think that
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  Speaker 3: one nation could easily fall by the wayside before then.
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  Speaker 3: So if one nation wins, I wouldn't get too excited.
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  Speaker 3: Winning at a by election is likely to be a
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  Speaker 3: lot easier than winning in a general election, and if
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  Speaker 3: one nation misses out, well, it will be a bit
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  Speaker 3: of a setback.
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  Speaker 1: It will take to take a lot of wind out.
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  Speaker 3: Of their sales, which I guess is why they're getting
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  Speaker 3: pretty antsy on the polling birds. Are you giving a
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  Speaker 3: video video me without.
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 3: When I showed you that last night, it was pretty
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  Speaker 3: clear that One Nation was getting very sensitive about the
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  Speaker 3: Liberals highlighting the labor links of One Nation candidate David
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  Speaker 3: Farley in the past. All the same on this program
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  Speaker 3: last night, Pauline Hansen admonished the volunteer.
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  Speaker 8: Apologize soon for what happened, and we've assisted said, we'll
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  Speaker 8: make over assistance possible if you want to undertake and
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  Speaker 8: police investigation. That will encourage our volunteers who witness it
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  Speaker 8: to make their statements.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, one day is a long time in this
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  Speaker 3: by election, because this afternoon Hansen performed a complete backflip.
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  Speaker 8: I'm stand by my volunteer and that whole scuffle. When
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  Speaker 8: I first heard about it, I was just about to
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  Speaker 8: go on air with Chris Kenney and I didn't get
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  Speaker 8: the full story. Since then, I've been able to watch
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  Speaker 8: the full video clip of it, and I feel for
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  Speaker 8: my volunteer. I don't get in the gutter like these
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  Speaker 8: other politicians do.
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  Speaker 1: That people don't want it.
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  Speaker 8: They won't get it from one nation. But I tell
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  Speaker 8: you I'm going to meet that volunteer and I'm going
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  Speaker 8: to shake his hand and I'm going to stand by him.
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  Speaker 3: Oh dear campaign biffo. Then a campaign apology, but now
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  Speaker 3: a campaign reversed. Pike seemingly endorsing the biffo. Never a
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  Speaker 3: dull moment when one nation's around him. But you have
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  Speaker 3: to wonder why they're so sensitive about Farley Labor links.
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  Speaker 3: As I showed you the other night, one of their
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  Speaker 3: new MP's in the South Australian Lower House seat is
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  Speaker 3: Jason Virgo and he was a former Labor Party office holder,
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  Speaker 3: also a prominent gay rights activist and a two time
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  Speaker 3: candidate for the Sex Party. So one nation takes all comers,
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  Speaker 3: and they've been winning seats. Let's see if it beats
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  Speaker 3: all comers on Saturday. Let's go straight to our reporter
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  Speaker 3: Aston Blomfield at Melbourne Airport where the three of the
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  Speaker 3: isis briars, three of the women's link to the Islamic
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  Speaker 3: State Caliphate and their children are Juda land shortly.
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  Speaker 1: What's the latest their assmen?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we're expecting these three women and eight children to
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  Speaker 9: touch down here at Melbourne Airport in just under thirty
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  Speaker 9: minutes time. The cohort includes a Melbourne grandmother married to
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  Speaker 9: a humanitarian worker who is accused of siphoning resources to ISIS.
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  Speaker 9: It also includes their two adult children who are widows
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  Speaker 9: to ISIS fighters and recruiters, plus their eight children. Now
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  Speaker 9: The Australian is reporting that two of these women are
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  Speaker 9: expected to be arrested on the tarmac and face charges
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  Speaker 9: relating to the alleged enslavement of at least one Yazidi
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  Speaker 9: woman during their time in Syria. Now there's a separate
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  Speaker 9: cohort on another flight due to touchdown at Sydney Airport
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  Speaker 9: around the same time that includes a woman and her
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  Speaker 9: nine year old son. The Australian is also reporting that
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  Speaker 9: this woman will face charges relating to entering a declared
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  Speaker 9: terrorist area. Now, anyone who isn't charged later this evening
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  Speaker 9: will likely be monitored for the foreseeable future, monitoring both
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  Speaker 9: their movement and any communication channels they may be using.
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  Speaker 9: These children as well. The nine children are expected to
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  Speaker 9: enter community integration programs in the foreseeable future as well.
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  Speaker 9: So I have a note all day today that the
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  Speaker 9: Federal yes.
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  Speaker 1: Of the four adults.
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  Speaker 3: Of the four women, it sounds like we're expecting three
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  Speaker 3: of them to be arrested, two in Melbourne and one
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  Speaker 3: in Sydney. You talk about arrest on the tarmax, but
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  Speaker 3: is there any confirmation that we'll actually even see these
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  Speaker 3: women though they could easily be arrested and taken into
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  Speaker 3: custody without the many prying eyes of the media getting
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  Speaker 3: pictures of them, isn't that right?
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 9: There's multiple exits here that they could be taken out of.
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  Speaker 9: We've got camera crews covering all bases this evening in
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  Speaker 9: case they're slipped out through a back exit, So there's
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  Speaker 9: lots of different scenarios that could unfold this evening increase.
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  Speaker 9: It's a very dynamic situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you'll be there for assessment.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it will cross back to you if there's
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  Speaker 3: any movement at Melbourne Airport. Thanks for joining us, Aspen
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  Speaker 3: Blomfield their report of joining us live from Melbourne Airport
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  Speaker 3: were the majority of these people coming back to Australia
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  Speaker 3: the Islamic Caliphate leaving Syria yesterday, will arrive tonight. Just
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  Speaker 3: one woman and one minor arriving in Sydney as well. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I just want to go back to that horrible tragedy
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  Speaker 3: that has shocked this nation this past week or so.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a week in fact, since the body of
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  Speaker 3: Kumanjaya little baby was discovered in Alice Springs. Vigils for
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  Speaker 3: the five year old will be held right around the
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  Speaker 3: country tonight, from Alice Springs to Darwin, all capital cities
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  Speaker 3: and plenty of regional towns too, including Broom and cal Gooley.
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  Speaker 3: Let's bring in just into now Bajimber Price, the little
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  Speaker 3: girl's Auntie Centers about to attend the vigil in Alice.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, just Center, and we're so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Feel your loss.
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  Speaker 3: You must be feeling an incredible amount of sorrow and
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  Speaker 3: personal grief, of course, but on top of that anger
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  Speaker 3: because as long as I've known you, this has been
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  Speaker 3: your prime focus, how to protect young children in families,
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  Speaker 3: in the town camps, around places like Alice Springs and
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  Speaker 3: in remote communities. It shows that as a nation we're
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  Speaker 3: completely failing, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, Chris. You know I've been on your program,
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  Speaker 10: you know, with you and I have had conversations about
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  Speaker 10: this issue for years now, and it's it's been it's
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  Speaker 10: been a really difficult week this last week. It's just
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  Speaker 10: been very consuming, you know, and just spending time with
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  Speaker 10: my family and the women in my family in particular,
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  Speaker 10: who I suppose really feeling it, and I just there's
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  Speaker 10: always just been a sense of an underlying sense of
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  Speaker 10: you know, the voices of women, the voices of children,
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  Speaker 10: never as important as the voices of men, especially when
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  Speaker 10: it comes to these circumstance and the frustration. I've been
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  Speaker 10: really really quite angry and angry at heads of organizations
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  Speaker 10: who are turning this issue not into about the safety
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  Speaker 10: of children and making sure that we uphold their human rights,
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  Speaker 10: but making it about how the public perceives my family.
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  Speaker 10: As far as I'm concerned, we all need to be
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  Speaker 10: having very difficult conversations about the reality of the circumstances
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  Speaker 10: that led up to this horrible event, and ultimately the
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  Speaker 10: safety of children and women and the protection of their
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  Speaker 10: lives should ultimately be what is most important.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 10: But you know, at the same time, you hear these
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  Speaker 10: heads of organizations wanting to put their points forward, Well,
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  Speaker 10: they're funded federally, aren't they. So they've got a patch
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  Speaker 10: to preserve for themselves, but for me personally, I don't
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  Speaker 10: want to bury any more children in my family for
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  Speaker 10: the wrong reasons. I don't want to lose another woman
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  Speaker 10: to violence. That's what I want to stop, and that's
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  Speaker 10: what I've always wanted to stop. So we need to
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  Speaker 10: stop with the covering it up and deflecting from having
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  Speaker 10: the honest and painful conversations that need to be had.
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  Speaker 3: Now there are criminal charges pending. Of course, a man
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  Speaker 3: has been charged with murder, and will allow that criminal
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  Speaker 3: process to play out. But disturbing revelations have told us
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  Speaker 3: that there were warning signs that the Department of Children's
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  Speaker 3: Services had been notified of concerns about the living circumstances
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  Speaker 3: of this little girl. And here's the Northern Territory's Children's
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  Speaker 3: Minister yesterday.
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  Speaker 11: As a result of the initial investigation, it's had occurred.
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  Speaker 11: There's been three stuff who've been stored down from the
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  Speaker 11: roles that they were occupying. Now it's absolutely the time
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  Speaker 11: to look at how we can do things differently.
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  Speaker 1: You said that people stood down.
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  Speaker 3: That's an obvious admission that the mistakes were made. This
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  Speaker 3: is the dilemma, isn't it. When they're alerted to children
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  Speaker 3: at risk? Why is there not enough action.
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  Speaker 10: Precisely? And this is another issue that I have raised
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  Speaker 10: repeatedly over the years the former Labor government. I raised
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  Speaker 10: this issue with their Child Protection minister many years ago
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  Speaker 10: about the running concerns of foster parents who take care
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  Speaker 10: of children who raised them from when they're babies to
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  Speaker 10: the age of five or six, and because of the
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  Speaker 10: kinship principle, they then decide to hand those children over
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  Speaker 10: to family members in communities who are effectively strangers to
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  Speaker 10: these children where they've grown up in the suburbs of
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  Speaker 10: Alice Springs and known only that, and the people that
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  Speaker 10: have raised them but rip them from their hands, retraumatize them,
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  Speaker 10: even against against the advice from professionals such as pediatricians
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  Speaker 10: specialists in their fields dealing with children, they go against
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  Speaker 10: all that advice and they put those children back in
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  Speaker 10: those horrific circumstances where I've known many cases where they've
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  Speaker 10: been retraumatized, only to be taken back out of those
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  Speaker 10: circumstances and put back into the homes they should have
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  Speaker 10: stayed in the entire time. And you know that only
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  Speaker 10: happens because they're Aboriginal, and that is the racism of
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  Speaker 10: low expectations in this country, and I'm pleased to see
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  Speaker 10: that Robin Cahill has taken first steps towards sorting out
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  Speaker 10: this department where the lives of children depend on it,
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  Speaker 10: to do the right thing by them. I will acknowledge
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  Speaker 10: that they are like many frontline services under the absolute pump,
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  Speaker 10: and very few people have a desire to go and
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  Speaker 10: work for such organizations. But I know that there is
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  Speaker 10: a culture that needs to change, and it's come about
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  Speaker 10: because of woke, bloody culture, because of political correctness, because
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  Speaker 10: of those in power who think it's a hands off
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  Speaker 10: approach to Aboriginal people, treat them differently, because of the
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  Speaker 10: stolen generation. No, no, no, let's treat them like Australian kids
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  Speaker 10: and uphold their human rights. That's what we need to do.
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  Speaker 10: Enough of the hands off culture, the culture that says
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  Speaker 10: that culture and country are more important to these kids,
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  Speaker 10: when ultimately that is a fantasy, because it's dysfunction that
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  Speaker 10: you're sending these kids back to. Not this, not this
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  Speaker 10: concept of connection to land and culture. That's not what's
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  Speaker 10: going on here in the Northern Territory anyway. There's so
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  Speaker 10: many examples and we can't continue down this path. I
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  Speaker 10: don't want to see more little babies lose their lives.
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  Speaker 1: Spot on just Center, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Our hearts are with you now as you join others
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  Speaker 3: in other springs at that vigil. Just into Navagina Price,
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  Speaker 3: their Liberal Senator for the Northern Territory. Let's get back
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  Speaker 3: to the issue of these Islamic state women about touchdown
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  Speaker 3: in Australia as we speak, three in Melbourne, one in Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: We believe three of the four will be arrested by
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  Speaker 3: Australian Federal police.
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  Speaker 1: There will be nine children with them.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to adelaid Down and catch up with the
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  Speaker 3: Shadow Health Minister and Rustin and should any.
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  Speaker 1: Of these women be allowed into the country.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I mean, these are so many questions that need
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  Speaker 12: to be answered that the government is failing to give
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  Speaker 12: us the truth on and we find out Todayurrently, the
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  Speaker 12: Syrian authorities were waiting for the green light from the
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  Speaker 12: Australian government before these women were sent back to Australia.
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  Speaker 12: And yet the government has been denying all along that
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  Speaker 12: they had any involvement in the repatriation of these women
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: into this country. I mean, the problem we have here, Chris,
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: is that this has been sort of a self managed
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: return of these people. We know very little about them.
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: I mean, we believe a number of them are going
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: to be arrested when they land, but we actually don't
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: know that. I mean, the government has been basically treating
• 21:29
  Speaker 12: Australians like mugs, keeping them in the dark, and potentially
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: you know, there is potential danger. We don't know how
• 21:36
  Speaker 12: radicalized these children are that are going to be put
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: back into our communities, what the supports I mean, Chris,
• 21:42
  Speaker 12: this is just the most ridiculous situation that our government
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: is putting our country into because they have failed to
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: be able to tell the truth to the Australian public
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: about what's going on.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there has to be risk involved. Now the government
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: can explain that they're managing that risk through the police
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: and through and the like.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: But of course there is a risk. You mentioned the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: children right now.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: The children are different ages, but among them at least
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: one teenage boy. Now a radicalized teenage boy can and
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: radicalized teenage boys have been a problem in this country
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: in the past, so there.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Are problems there to manage.
• 22:19
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: We understand, as you say, we don't know. We won't
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: know un till it happens.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: But the speculation, the informed speculation, is that three of
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the four women will be arrested. Now, for the life
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: of me, can't see why any adult coming out of
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: that area wouldn't immediately go into custody for at least
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: an extended period of questioning.
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: Well, we certainly need to be able to give confident
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: confidence to the community that the government has got this
• 22:44
  Speaker 12: issue at hand. And I've got to say the last
• 22:47
  Speaker 12: thing any person in our community would feel that that
• 22:50
  Speaker 12: was the case at the moment. But the other question
• 22:53
  Speaker 12: is like, what is the cost of this going to
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: be to Australia to monitor these people, those that go
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: back in to the community. And you know, that's why
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: I think that the Coalition has a very sensible policy
• 23:05
  Speaker 12: that says that those people that have been radicalized, that
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: preach hate, believe in hate, hateful ideologies shouldn't be allowed
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: back into this country. And I think, you know, we
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: have to manage the people that come back into this
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: country on air terms and not just allow them to
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: get on a plane and fly to Australia and then
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: we'll deal with the consequences when.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: They get here, all right, now the Coalition is getting
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: more bones, more meat on the bones of its immigration policy.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: You're looking to scale back the numbers of immigrants into
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: this country, but Angus Taylor's also promised to make sure
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that there's a bigger focus on Australian values coming into
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: this country. Let's put this cohort of Islamic state families
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: to one side. If a family seeking to emigrate to
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Australia and they are a.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Family who's women, whose adult women.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Must wear full burkers, are they capable of adopting Australian values.
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: Well, I mean, I don't want to single out anybody's
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: you know, sort of cultural decisions that they make.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Well, but this is the trouble is just to interrupt
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: this is the problem.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: If you're going to make those value judgments.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Someone at some stage has to be prepared to make
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: those sorts of judgments. I understand why everybody wants to
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: avoid making them.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: But aren't there.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Some some some clear pointers that people need to accept.
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: Look, I think the very clear point is that people
• 24:28
  Speaker 12: need to accept when they come to come to this
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: country is they must accept our rule of law and
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: they must accept our way of life. And that's why
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: I think one aid the quality of women I've been
• 24:37
  Speaker 12: saying is well, it's the way that is the way
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: of life in this country that we are all equal.
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: So we need to make sure that we are placing
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: those values over what we do when it comes to
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: people that come to this country. And I think it
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: is as simple as that the values of the Liberal
• 24:52
  Speaker 12: Party are the values of this nation. But front and
• 24:55
  Speaker 12: foremost in all of that is about making sure that
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: our rule of law is upheld, which can never be compromised,
• 25:01
  Speaker 12: but also that our way of life is something that
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: is respected. And if you don't respect our way of
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: life and you're not prepared to live by the rule
• 25:08
  Speaker 12: of law of this country, then quite frankly, you should
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: stay where you are.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And Rustin thanks for joining us.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: That's a shadow Cabinet member and Rustin joining us live
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: from Adelaide.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to the break.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: After that, we're going to check in on the snowy
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: two point zero project. The former boss will tell us
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: why it's running over time and way over budget.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Kenny Report.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I just want to go to some breaking news now
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: because we show you that the Qatar Airways flight from
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Doha is landing there live pictures you're seeing from Tullamarine
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Airport in Melbourne where that Qatar Airways flight is landing.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: It's come from Doha, and on board that flight, we
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: understand will be three women who have been associated with
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Islamic state the color fate in the Middle East coming
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: back to Australia and eight chill ldren.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Three women and eight children on that flight.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: We believe the other woman and another child will land
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: in the next hour or so in Sydney. But on
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: that flight right there you are seeing the so called
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: isis brides, the largest cohort of them. Three of these
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: women landing in Melbourne, a safe landing there. The fate
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that awaits these people once the plane docks is yet
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: to be revealed. We do understand though that two of
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: the women are likely to be arrested by Australian federal police.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: The children will go the hands of we don't know who,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: but government authorities apparently have organized that. But we don't
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: know whether there will be family awaiting these people at
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: the airport or other authorities. There are cameras and media
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: posted right around the airport to try and get pictures
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: of these women as they are like. But we don't
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: know what tactics the police and the airport authority will
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: adopt here. We know that when they arrested Ben Robert
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Smith at Sydney Airport just weeks ago, there was an
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: opportunity for footage to be taken on the tarmac as
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: he was taken into custody. But will these women even
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: be seen by the media even if they are taken
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: into custody. But just repeating that three women and eight children,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: all from what was the isis Caliphate, the Islamic state
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: caliphate in the Middle East that covered parts of Iraq
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: and Syria, now back in Australia. People who turned their
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: backs on Australia's freedom and liberties and security joined an
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: outfit that was committed to killing Jews, Christians, non Muslims,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: rejecting democracy, freedom, equality that was all rejected by the
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Islamic Caliphate. They're now back in Australia wanting that freedom
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: and getting some of those liberties in this country under
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: our rule of law. Certainly government finances will be involved
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: when it comes to health care and warfare and the likes.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Just repeating that that plane has landed in Melbourne and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: A checking to see whether we go back to a
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: commercial breakdown or continue on with the program. They will
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: continue on with the program. And as I mentioned to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: you before we went to the break, I wanted to
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: catch up on the Snowy two point Hydro project because
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: House of Protests greeted Labour's budget move yesterday to scrap
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the rest of the Inland Rail project. They don't want
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: to spend the forty five billion dollars in total to
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: finish that piece of national economic infrastructure, which struck me
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: as pretty typical really, because they are happy to waste
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: that much finishing an infrastructure boondoggle that won't help our economy.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: In fact, it'll just make our electricity even more expensive.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I do speak, of course, of Snowy Hydro two point zero,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Malcolm Turnbull's baby, a renewable energy pipe dream and waste
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: of taxpayers money that was supposed to be completed four
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: years ago. Latest estimates put the cost at forty two
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: billion dollars. That's twenty one times what we were told
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: when it was announced. And now it's run into more
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: problems with leaked videos showing water gushing through a major tunnel.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I caught up with snowy two point h's former CEO
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Paul Broad and asked him when this project might eventually
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: be completed.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: My expectation would be probably by twenty thirty. But Chris,
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: you have to have the transmission built, and when they
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: talk about these inflated costs, and Bruce Mountain and Ted Woodley,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: who were really quite activist in the general marketplace, when
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: they do it, they wrapped the transmission lines in two
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: point zero Audion together and in fact the last twenty
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: years the existing transmission line has been under scale, so
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: that they need to upgrade the transmission lines I think
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: is fundamental to any other change that needs to happen
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: in the energy in the unity sector.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: You're right, a lot of the additional costs here are
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: attributed to the transmission connection. Of course, those snowy two
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: point zero needs to be connected through transmission lines, but
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: you're saying there are additional benefits because there will be
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: other renewable projects plugged into that same transmission line.
• 30:22
  Speaker 13: And existing snow.
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: The snow as it stands today can't get all its
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: output out when it's most needed, particularly in Sydney and
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: in Melbourne, so when it's really hot demands through the roof.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: That's when snow is at its best. But those transmission
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: lines get overloaded, they get they get hot, they seek
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: and snow gets constrained off. So even today, even today,
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: there's capacity available in snowy when it's really needed, they.
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: Can't get into the marketplace. So that's been the case
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: for some time.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: So the argument for transmission upgrades has been a world
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: worn debate and in many ways have been build a
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: ransom VI. The bureaucrats in canber and Sydney can't work
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: out out to do it, and the natural monopoly and
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Transcript trying to obviously extract rents for themselves. So that
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: need for transmission is fundamental to the whole market. That
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: puts two point zero to one side. But your point
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: being that's two point zero is built. It needs to
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: have transmission and you can't have renewables without massive amounts.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Affirming massive amounts and Email themselves have estimated that if
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: they the bow and target was ever met, you need
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: eight two point oh little one one.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Lord, But let's get to put the transmission to one
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: side for a moment. Now, discount the costs a little
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: because of that, But the project is still many years
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: over due and many billions of dollars over due, more
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: than ten billion dollars over price. What is the main
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: problem We've seen the latest pictures of the water leaking
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: through tunnel drilling. What is the main problem in delaying
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: this project and adding some actionally to the costs?
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: Well, I think the main problem isn't the physicals which
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: are problematic. Let me just tell you the risks in
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: doing this thing are enormous and on a globe scale,
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: on a global scale, this is an enormous project. And
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: I can't be too critical of what people are doing
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: on the ground and where that water is ingress is
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: happenings on a teleboi machine boring uphill for a pressure
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: sharp that's that is world leading stuff. So I don't
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: want to be able to critical that at all. Zero,
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: But the costs get out of control when you have
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: a cost plus contract, when the incentivized on both sides
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: to minimize costs. And you know, there's no doubt when
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: I left Snowy there were significant claims coming at us
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: at the back end of COVID when all other things
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: that were occurring at that time, the Audit Office did
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: an audit at the time, really, I think was very
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: very powerful and giving a strong tick the way the
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: way we were going.
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: And I understand that the Order Office go report again.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: In May or June this year, so I'm very interested
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: to see what they say about these cost increases, because
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: they should forensically pull the whole thing apart. And the
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: feedback I'm getting is to employ significantly more people on
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: two point zero even white color workers. And what the
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: hell they're doing, I don't know, but it does worry
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: me about the cost bloating that's occurred out of recent times.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: And I noticed that we build a contractor publishing its
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: results in Italy and the gim and Pietro's a lovely bloke,
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: very nice bloke. I have no qualms of him at all,
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: but he was crying about the how wonderful his contract
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: was in Australia. Well, when a contractor craws about how
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: good a contract is, I tell you I start.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: To worry indeed, so you should let me show you
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the latest comment on this from the relevant minister, Chris
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Bow And here's what he said a couple of months
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: ago about the project.
• 33:57
  Speaker 14: Slowly chipoint know one of the biggest construction programs in
• 34:00
  Speaker 14: the world, twenty seven kilometers of tunnel's four thousand.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Workers in twenty twenty two, this project was way off track.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: We've got to back on track. It's now seventy percent.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Complete, back on track and seventy percent complete.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Is he right, Chris?
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: But there we go.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: When I first met Chris, as when I had a
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: brief him, when we never lasted about five minutes.
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: I mean, he hated the whole project.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Then he wanted to bagers, and he wanted me to
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: time go out and bag angers at the time, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: he couldn't work out how gas plant firmed up the
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: market because he hated the one up.
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: He carried that it wasn't going to work, all this
• 34:35
  Speaker 13: sort of stuff.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: So Chris has the great capacity to reinvent the yardment
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: every time puts his head in front of the TV screen.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: So I think you'll go down as probably the worst
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: energy minutes we have had.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you know how to get an argument from me
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: But is he right to say that the problems have
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: been fixed and it's seventy percent complete.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm not sure what problem he's trying to define.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: When he got there the back end COVID. He's then
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: chair snow went off to Italy and renegotiated a contract
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: away from a from a Sandy Bays contract to a
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: cost plus cost contract.
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: So in my view he created a problem rather than
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: solved it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Paul Broad, it's a worrying situation.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, my pleasure, Paul Broad,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: there what a mess that project is. Might be too
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: late just to shut it down and cut our losses though.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Now I want to bring you to the latest breaking
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: news and QR nine oh eight, the other Qatar Airways
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: flight from Doha is now touching down in Sydney. We've
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: had that flight touchdown in Melbourne with three women and
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: eight children on board. This Sydney flight is one so
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: called Isis bride and her child. What have we got here?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: I think what we were showing. Look, what I was
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: just showing you was the Melbourne plane which has landed.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Of course, now we're going to Sydney. This is the
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: shot of Sydney where we are expecting flight nine oh
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: eight to land anytime. Here it is now. This is
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: the live picture of flight nine eight. There is one
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Isis related woman on this flight along with her child
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: and they're coming in now to Sydney. That woman is
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: expected to be arrested, speculation reporting in the Australian newspaper
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that she will be arrested on arrival in Sydney over
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: charges related to being within a prescribed terrorist area, namely
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: the Islamic State Caliphate when it existed.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Of the three women in Melbourne, we believe.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Two are expected to be arrested over slavery allegations. But
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: there it is that Katari flight coming in from Doha.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: One woman again, a woman who left Australia and all
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the freedoms and liberties that we take for granted here
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: to join a caliphate mortally opposed to those very freedoms
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: now arriving back here where those freedoms and democracy and
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: welfare and health and education, all of that is on offer.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: But where of course, there is also rule of law, and.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: So the issue of any charges and allegations and court
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: matters will need to be faced by that woman and
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the others in Melbourne.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So we'll keep you up to date.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: We have people posted of course at Sydney Airport and
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Melbourne Airport, and we will bring you any breaking news
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: as it occurs.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: This hour.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I believe the Australian Federal Police will be speaking live.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Will bring that to you live later in the evening
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: as well. After this next break through, I'll get into
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: sport with Mark Robinson as the AFL is set to
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: introduce mandatory psychologists for footy clubs. Welcome back to the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Kenny Report and we'll continue to bring you the breaking
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: news of the return of the isis brides and their
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: families to Australia. These are live pictures from Sydney Airport
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: where one woman formerly associated with the Islamic Caliphate and
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: it existed, has arrived on this flight with one of
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: her children. We understand one woman on that flight in
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Sydney and one of her children, and reporting in The
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Australian suggests that woman will be arrested by Australian Federal
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Police when she alights from the plane. Meanwhile, in Melbourne,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: some ten or fifteen minutes earlier, a Qatar Airways flight
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: had landed from Doha.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: On board that plane in Melbourne.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Three so called isis brides, three women who had been
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: associated with the Islamic State Caliphate in the Middle East
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: and eight children, so in all now back in Australia.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: This is not confirmed.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: We can show you the planes have landed, but the
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: expectation is on the ground. In Australia as we speak,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: are four adult women who were.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Associated with Islamic State isis.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Brides and nine children, the oldest of which are believed
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: to be a teenage boy. So there you have it,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: four I brides, nine children back in the country. There'll
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: be a lot more happening on this story tonight. We
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: do expect to hear from the Australian Federal Police when
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: those arrests are made. Let me go now to the
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: former Foreign Minister of this great nation, Alexander.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Downer, who joins us live.
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  Speaker 3: Alexander, I've got to start with this breaking news and
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  Speaker 3: get your perspective on this. You've been to these Middle
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  Speaker 3: East hotspots your time as Foreign Minister. You dealt so
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  Speaker 3: heavily with these terrible issues of Islamist extremism. What's your
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  Speaker 3: reception to four adults who've been associated with Islamic State
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  Speaker 3: being allowed back into this country with their children.
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  Speaker 5: Well, let's try to remember what Islamic stated really about.
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  Speaker 5: They were executing Westerners, cutting off their heads. They're trying
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  Speaker 5: to destroy everything that we stand for.
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  Speaker 13: And these four.
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  Speaker 5: Women had gone and joined them so in Princeville. I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't allow them back into Australia, but there could be
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  Speaker 5: qualifications for that depending on the backgrounds of these women.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, do they have dual nationality. If they have
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  Speaker 15: dual nationality, presumably you could strip them of their Australian citizenship.
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  Speaker 13: If they don't, you couldn't.
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  Speaker 15: Do that and you probably would then have to let
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  Speaker 15: them back into the country.
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  Speaker 16: But you know, this goes to the whole issue of
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  Speaker 16: immigration and values. We shouldn't be bringing into this country
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  Speaker 16: people who have the ambition of destroying our whole political
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  Speaker 16: and social structure and system. I mean, my father was
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  Speaker 16: the immigration minister, and I remember he is to refuse
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  Speaker 16: to allow communists to come into Australia. Well, I mean
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  Speaker 16: he was presumably not ultimately successful there as we can see,
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  Speaker 16: but nevertheless, there was a strong view during the Menses
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  Speaker 16: period of ensuring that people who weren't committed to our
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  Speaker 16: way of life were kept out of a country.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just on this and the obligations here under citizenship.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't the government.
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  Speaker 3: Being a little bit too cute here by a long
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  Speaker 3: way by repeatedly saying they've offered no assistance here. They've
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  Speaker 3: provided no assistance now because they have provided passports and
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  Speaker 3: travel documents. As we understand now, it's fine to them
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  Speaker 3: to say that under law they're obliged to do that
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  Speaker 3: because they're Australian citizens.
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  Speaker 1: But it is assistance, and it looks like they've already.
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  Speaker 3: Organized some sort of social welfare assistance for their impending arrival.
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  Speaker 15: Well, I was the Foreign Minister for a long time
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  Speaker 15: and I was the minister responsible for passports, and I
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  Speaker 15: can tell you you can cancel people's passports. You can
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  Speaker 15: deny people's passports in certain circumstances, particularly when they have
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  Speaker 15: allegedly committed egregious criminal offenses.
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  Speaker 13: So this argument that somehow they had to give.
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  Speaker 5: Them passports and have in that sense and then quite
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  Speaker 5: literally in that sense, provide them with assistance strikes me
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  Speaker 5: as being a very strange, a very strange argument. So no,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think they, as usual with the Labor Party,
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  Speaker 5: they're playing both ends against the middle here. They don't,
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  Speaker 5: of course want to offend Australians, but on the other hand,
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  Speaker 5: they don't want to offend those Australians who live in
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  Speaker 5: some critical Labor electorates.
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  Speaker 13: Let's be honest about that.
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  Speaker 15: That particularly Islamists who might have some sympathy for Isis
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  Speaker 15: and the Isis brides.
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  Speaker 1: Now, just quickly on another matter.
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  Speaker 3: You're a potential candidate for the federal presidency of the
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  Speaker 3: Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 1: Are you definitely running for that job?
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  Speaker 3: And will you be in a contest with Tony Abbott
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  Speaker 3: or will there be some sort of compromise.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I have no idea who else is going to run,
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  Speaker 5: but I've indicated to the Liberal Party that I would
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  Speaker 5: be prepared to do the job, and I'd be happy
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  Speaker 5: to do the job. And my basic position is this
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  Speaker 5: is an administrative job, not a policy job. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: be going into it to promote particular policies, but to
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  Speaker 5: give back to as a volunteer, of course, because it's
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  Speaker 5: an unpaid job to give back to a political party
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  Speaker 5: which has given so much to me over the years.
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  Speaker 15: So you know, I would be happy to do that.
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  Speaker 15: And these are difficult times for the Liberal Party, so
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  Speaker 15: I think some of us who benefited during the Howard
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  Speaker 15: government ought to give something back to the party when
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  Speaker 15: it's in some difficulty.
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  Speaker 3: Great stuff, Alexander, thanks so much for joining us. Alexander
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  Speaker 3: down of there live from London. This week, we've got
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  Speaker 3: to get to a break. On the other side, I'll
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  Speaker 3: catch up with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to try and get them to explain Anthony Alberanezi's problem
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  Speaker 3: with the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Let's bring in Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson for our
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  Speaker 1: national cabinet.
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  Speaker 3: And as usual, gentlemen, there's plenty happening this hour, the
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  Speaker 3: arrivals in Sydney and Melbourne. Let's just go back and
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  Speaker 3: have a look at them. This plane has arrived at
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne Airport. On board it three Isis women and eight children.
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  Speaker 3: Three women and eight children arrived in that flight in
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne earlier this hour, and then just ten or fifteen
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  Speaker 3: minutes later, another flight from Doha in the Middle East
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  Speaker 3: arrived in Sydney. Here it is landing at Sydney Airport
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  Speaker 3: and on board that flight is Jenai Safar and her
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  Speaker 3: nine year old son. Isis woman a nine year old son.
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  Speaker 3: We're told, gentlemen, as I see you on the wall,
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  Speaker 3: that three of the Isis brides will be arrested.
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  Speaker 1: Tim.
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  Speaker 3: I can't understand why any adult coming from the Islamic
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  Speaker 3: Caliphate at any time, wouldn't at least be taken into
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  Speaker 3: custody for serious interrogation.
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  Speaker 17: Oh hunt of percent.
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  Speaker 1: I love.
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  Speaker 17: By the way, the Labor government's line on this is
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  Speaker 17: that we're doing nothing to help them, and they're trying
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  Speaker 17: to make that sound very tough. Well, we should be
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  Speaker 17: clear that the AFP taking all this action and arresting people,
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  Speaker 17: the government is all hands off. By the same token
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  Speaker 17: that they're saying we're not doing anything to help them,
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  Speaker 17: they're not doing anything to help Australia either by more
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  Speaker 17: or less clearing the path for these people to return.
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  Speaker 17: They've been pretty slack.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I'll tell you what I think.
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  Speaker 3: John Spooner's cartoon in The Australian Today mark some that
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  Speaker 3: what a lot of Australians would be thinking. He's got
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  Speaker 3: one of the Isis brides arriving with her son and
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  Speaker 3: does yes, dear, the Infidels are letting us return. It's
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  Speaker 3: not as if we are Israeli's or anything.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's phenomenal that you know that just that one
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  Speaker 2: sentence captures the entire moral inversion of the moment, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: it Like it's it's the hypocrisy This entitlement to mercy,
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  Speaker 2: that the contempt for Australia, the hatred of Jews, all
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  Speaker 2: in just that one thing. But my favorite be is
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  Speaker 2: the glove as well. It's it's just it's a tactical glove.
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  Speaker 2: It's a militant glove, which is exactly right. We don't
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  Speaker 2: know how militant these people are that's coming here. The
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  Speaker 2: innocent kid that's there, we just don't know. He's been,
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  Speaker 2: you know, subject to this rhetoric his entire life. We
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  Speaker 2: don't know how radicalized he really is. It's oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: an absolute mess. And we all know that the Tony
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  Speaker 2: Burke would probably, if it wasn't for the media, would
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  Speaker 2: have been doing the welcome, welcome to the country himself.
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  Speaker 13: And then we're probably kicking them up.
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  Speaker 2: Grabbing the bags Japan, Winnie van Halal snack packs are
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  Speaker 2: on me, Welcome to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: That's what would have happened if it wasn't for the pressure.
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  Speaker 3: I love your term their moral inversion. I've talked about
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  Speaker 3: moral confusion, lack of moral clarity and the rest, but
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  Speaker 3: you're spot on. It is moral inversion that we've seen
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  Speaker 3: from this government on these issues. Let's stick on this government,
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  Speaker 3: and let's go all the way to the top and
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  Speaker 3: have a look at the Prime Minister. Last night I
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  Speaker 3: focused at length on a running list.
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  Speaker 1: Of the lies he's told. Here's a small sample.
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  Speaker 14: I stepped back one step.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't fall off the stage.
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  Speaker 7: Heckler's booed the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 13: The issues of.
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  Speaker 14: Overwhelmingly, the reception was incredibly positive. I walked through the
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  Speaker 14: crowd to the mosque and not a single person heckl
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  Speaker 14: Grace tame.
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  Speaker 1: Difficult.
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  Speaker 14: She has had a difficult life, and that was what
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  Speaker 14: I was referring to.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Tim, that's just all the fun stuff. Then there's
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  Speaker 3: all the power prices and tax stuff, all.
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  Speaker 1: The broken promises.
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  Speaker 17: This bloke can't tell the truth. How do we know
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  Speaker 17: now at this point that anything he said is true?
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  Speaker 17: What about the whole Albo origin story. You know, grew
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  Speaker 17: up in a house and commissioned flat, son of an
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  Speaker 17: Italian Regan. Maybe he's a Neppo baby. He might be
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  Speaker 17: the son of a slum lord. We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: At this point.
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  Speaker 17: It's all up for grabs. He's so bogus he might
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  Speaker 17: not even know where Marrickville is. The eating stuff in.
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  Speaker 3: That to be a plot twister for your cartoon series, Mark,
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  Speaker 3: He's he's the son of a slumlord by the name
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  Speaker 3: of Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 13: Ma, I'd love to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, The thing is it might not actually be too
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  Speaker 2: far from the truth. Honestly that the contempt is not
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  Speaker 2: in the lie. It's in the fact that he thinks
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  Speaker 2: that we'll believe it. Our politicians used to put so
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  Speaker 2: much effort into lying to us, you know, like Howard
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  Speaker 2: how and our non core and core promises. That was craftsmanship, Like.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it was about.
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  Speaker 2: These guys don't care about him putting anything into lying
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  Speaker 2: to us anymore than they think we're dumb. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: walking away from every press conference. Gone, suckers, what do
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  Speaker 2: you believe it?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Your your cartoons are back.
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  Speaker 3: I got to squeeze in a little sample from this
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  Speaker 3: week's Please Explain.
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  Speaker 2: Great Jody the Craziest Dream. Last night, everyone loved Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, what are you watching?
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  Speaker 12: It's just a bit of Sky News.
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  Speaker 2: Get that off their TV plan, Hansen, Laulan, you've declared you.
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  Speaker 1: It's great stuff, isn't it. Tim?
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  Speaker 3: And not only does Jodie watch Pauline Hansen.
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  Speaker 1: She watches the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 17: It's a it's a universal excitemon I love that we've
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  Speaker 17: got a bilection coming up at the weekend. There isn't
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  Speaker 17: even the labor candidate, but everyone's watching. And thank god
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  Speaker 17: Scott's been doing a dedicated job on the Pharaoh by election.
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  Speaker 17: It's going to be a lot of interesting results perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. Thanks for joining us, gentlemen. We'll catch
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  Speaker 1: up with you next week.
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  Speaker 3: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson, just a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: time to squeeze in a couple of your responses regarding
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  Speaker 3: Albo and his lies.
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  Speaker 1: Donna says, the.
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  Speaker 3: Wasteful spending of taxpayers money, the debt, the disrespect for
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  Speaker 3: the media who should be doing their job, the words
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  Speaker 3: salad and spin, disgraceful leadership.
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  Speaker 1: Another viewer says he.
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  Speaker 3: Will freeze over, Hell will freeze over before Albow tells
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  Speaker 3: the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Stay tuned Sky News all night as we bring you
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  Speaker 3: the latest developments on the arrival of these Isis families.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin's up next,