Latest / Beat The Odds with Dre, Rodney, & Brylan / AI Takes on Cancer, InvestFest’s Identity Crisis & The Discipline to Protect Deep Work
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- Dre: Yo, welcome back to another episode of Happy Wednesday. Rodney: Happy Wednesday. Brylan: Let's go ahead, yeah. Dre: Middle of the week. How are we coming so far? Rodney: I'm not gonna lie, woke up I woke up a little bit today I this is the first day out of out of maybe months where I I I woke up feeling little slow. I woke up feeling a bit slow. I kinda see it coming a couple of days b a couple of days ago. I had got to the point where were like a week felt like one day. Like that's how locked Brylan: Mm. Rodney: in I felt like. I was just like a week felt like I r I remember one of our one of our friends, Dalla, he went on a trip, he was gone for three weeks and I turned off like, bro, I I thought you were gone for like three days. Like I just I know I had hit another mode, but I started to see that I was getting those signs and I and I hesitate to say burnout. I hesit I I I hate I I don't like the word burnout. could be ego, I don't know what it is, but but I don't know if I would say burnout, but I had to take some time to move a little bit slower today. Dre: Hmm. Yeah, yeah. Brylan: Yeah. Dre: I f I feel that I'd be having the throttle being locked in. Cause it you can kind of feel like you're in a t like a I don't know. The conse the concept of time just feels a little bit different. You know what I'm saying? When you're really locked Rodney: Way different. Dre: in. Especially with AI because you just got ton of stuff running that you not even Rodney: Yeah parallel. Dre: yeah, you just get it started and it's just doing its thing. You go get something else started. You got you just you just managing Rodney: Yes. Dre: You manage in a bunch of different different context windows. So yeah, yeah. I I I'd be having to throttle being locked in. 'Cause you know, I got a I got a family and stuff. If I didn't have a family it'd be a different thing though. It'd be a different I don't even know I don't even know what I would do with my time. It'd be a whole different beast. Rodney: So so that's the thing. I Brylan: Especially nowadays. Dre: It's Rodney: so that's the thing. Right now, I I I I don't have I don't have that. So Dre: Yeah, yeah. Rodney: I'm I'm really just when I say I'm in I'm on the ground, I'm in the trenches. No distractions in the tra in the trenches. Literally. Dre: You Yeah. No distractions. No distraction. Hmm. Rodney: Like when I try to talk to people who have families, whether they have kids Some people have these have kids, you know, of multiple different ages, infants or toddlers or or or going off to college. When I even communicate with them, they they don't even understand what I'm talking about. And it's not because I'm like saying anything incorrect. It's just that they don't have the time to to process the ground level stuff I'm talking about. I'm talking about real-time things, tactical. I don't blame them at all. But but yeah, yeah, it takes breaks I guess at certain points. I honestly feel like all I needed was one day though. I think I should be I think I'm back. I think I'm back though. 'Cause even even Dre: huh. Rodney: today, e even my even on my slow day, I still outperformed. So so like so Dre: Yeah, yeah, you you've raised a baseline up for sure. Rodney: Exactly. Exactly. Brylan: 100%. Yeah. I'll say, bro, like Dre: All right now. Brylan: this week. Yeah, this week, bro, for me, bro, I've been on my Rotney, man. Dre: Okay. Brylan: I've been on that that four I would say for like the last week, that four thirty. And and and really what did it for me, bro, is Rodney: shit. Brylan: yeah, I bro, I woke up one day, because you know, we've we've been expanding to new markets, and bro, I had like 192 new emails. And I was like, Rodney: shit. Brylan: I was like, there's no fucking way, bro. Like there's there's there no no, we're not doing this. And so and and and and the thing about it is I have not found a good like just email inbox product, even like, you know, I've set up some automations with like Claude or whatever, but it it doesn't it doesn't beat me just like quickly skimming things and like you know, doing what I need to do. And so literally the way I've structured my day, bro, is I probably wrap up most of my work probably by like, if I'm gonna be honest, like eight AM. That way I can yeah, I wrap up my work at Rodney: Exactly, exactly. Brylan: eight AM and then literally, you know, yeah, the way I got my my day structured is like, you know, when all the distractions start coming, like to me that is meeting time. Cause I feel like in this world, you know, obviously we talk about AI, you know, enabling people, to have better work life balance. I don't I I genuinely don't think so. I think, you know, depending on the company you're at, bro, people are expecting more. And so like, yeah, I'm trying Rodney: Yes. Dre: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Brylan: to I'm I've been really trying to position myself where it's like I know I know like just the way things are going. I'm not having time during the day to do deep work. So let me protect that during the hours where I know niggas aren't awake. And then, you know, I'll take my meetings throughout the day. But I I even manage that really well, like now, where it's like, cool, by three, I can go hit the gym or go on a run or whatever. And then like, you know, by by five or you know, six or whatever, I'm wrapped up. I can do the pod, I can, you know, whatever I want to work on. Like, Rodney: Whatever w whatever you want to do. Brylan: yeah. But but but going back to what we were talking about, like with burnout, do it with ease. With ease, bro. I think that's like one of the biggest things that I've just been learning from like running. It's like when you're playing a long game, bro, like you not you not running at a four or five minute pace, bro. Don't get me wrong. The world record holders are doing that. But we just trying to be above average because most people ain't doing that. And it's like pacing yourself, bro. So that's how I've been trying to like approach this stuff, bro. Dre: I f I feel you on the on the pasting pacing. I probably need to switch my day like y'all. See, I'm kinda like the opposite. Where I do get up relatively early, not as early as y'all. But I'm I'm a I'm a late night owl. So like after like after we get off the pot, I'm probably gonna go like go make dinner, chill with my wife for a little bit, and then probably just get back online and probably start doing some shit. And then I'll just like I'll just grind Brylan: Mm. Dre: that out until like maybe twelve, one in the morning sometimes. And then I go to sleep and wake up and wake up. Brylan: That's crazy. That's crazy. Dre: But see, I I'm Rodney: Yeah. Dre: but see I'm like I'm like y'all. I'm solving for the same same thing y'all solving for, which is like that un that undistracted time, right? Where you're not getting bombarded with people hitting Rodney: Yeah. Dre: you up, wanting your attention, Brylan: Yeah, bro. Dre: notifications, phone calls, whatever, you know, distractions coming from everywhere. So just trying to create that space. For me, that space is in the evening. But, you know, again, lifestyle's changed. So I don't know. I mean, we're working on on a on a family right now. So once I have a kid, that might be a different thing. I don't I don't even know what my schedule is gonna be then. I might be up like like y'all at Brylan: Yeah. Dre: five o'c five four o'clock, four thirty by force. Rodney: Well i if it th th th th that's the one thing I can say is is the unpredictable variable. I I think about my schedule and I say I don't know if it would be how how it how to protect that when there's a a a completely like a newborn is i is doing all types of stuff. I'm almost to a point where I I I I think in my mind I need somebody that understands at night you gotta take care of that. At night at night you'll take care of that. Dre: Ronnie like Ronnie like once once I go to once I go to sleep, that's it. I don't want no no interruptions. Rodney: I will take I'll do everything else. Dre: What what Brylan: Facts, bro. Dre: what do y'all think? I was having this conversation with some friends of mine just as a as a tangent. When y'all if you know, if y'all do want to have kids, do y'all think y'all take paternity paternity leave? And what do y'all think is acceptable for that? Like Rodney: No. Dre: to take off? Cause I know some men who like run their own company and they'll be like, it's a week, if that. Like they back to work the same week after the baby here. Like they could Rodney: A week. Dre: take more time, but they like, I I gotta get back to the back. Or maybe the business just needs them. Sometimes, you the business you're working in it. You gotta do what you gotta do. So would y'all take off any time or y'all y'all back to the grind after after? Rodney: I would take it it wouldn't be prolonged. It i it it would be like okay, maybe a week, two weeks, but then I would say like I would want to have one to two days off every month or something Dre: Okay, I see. Rodney: like that. Like because the the thing is I find is that when you're locked in on a flow, interrupting that is an issue. And the thing about it is when a kid is here, that's when the stakes are even higher. Because now I really I really need to be I I need like I I Dre: Yeah. Rodney: get what I get what the woman be talking about. Spend more time and then I I get all that. Dre: Yeah yeah. Rodney: But but are we but are we wealthy? And and if and if the answer is no, then I probably Dre: Yeah. When you bring that into it, they they they come back to earth with them the moment you bring that into it. They have no choice. Rodney: Are we wealthy? And if we're not, then understand that this is something that has to be done. This is something that has if you and if you have a better solution, I I'll I'll listen to that. But but Dre: Yeah. Rodney: but but but the the the the thing about the the early early bird and the night owl yeah solving for a similar problem. I was the same way. for my most of my life, most of my life Dre: No, no. Rodney: I was the nine out and I never got up early. I've only started Dre: yeah. Rodney: getting up early for the past year. This is something I never did in my entire life. You know, other than maybe school, for example, K through twelve, but but nah it's a similar thing. I think there's some slight differences that you get. You you get different I guess you get different there's differences on both ends. For me in the Idol, Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: I've lived that way most of my life, so I know what that comes with. And then there's the but what I would say, go ahead. Dre: The day the day always flows better, I would say, when I'm up earlier. And I mean I get up relatively now, maybe like six thirty. I mean, early is relative, right? But I do find though the earlier you start your day, like basically what y'all do, you start your day, you get your workout in, get your work day done. I will say the day does flow smoother, for sure. A hundred percent. Rodney: Yeah yeah, it's it's the smoothness of it. Cause even today I decided to lay lay in a little bit later. Six like it was six six thirty, something like that. Yeah, I thought I was I was Dre: Mm-hmm. That's funny. My wake up time is your is your late. That's crazy. Rodney: I was like okay, I I should probably I should probably get up. I was Dre: All right. I gotta change my shit now. I can't I can't hear that and wake up tomorrow at six thirty now. Rodney: like I should probably get up. And and I was feeling No, I I I like I said I was still was I still was ahead, but I was feeling not as not as prepared for the day. And I think Dre: Yeah, yeah. Rodney: that is the is is is probably how I see it. 'Cause 'cause even though like I said, I live most of my life as a night owl night owl and I got results of my life as a night owl, so I can't but what I can say is just that that idea of being prepared, it's like being early to a meeting, Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: five, ten minutes early. You just it's hard to beat that prepared. That prepared feeling. Dre: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know exactly I know exactly that feeling you're talking about. All right. Well yeah, let's let's switch gears and y'all wanna talk about EYL. Earn Rodney: Yeah. Dre: your leisure. Well I guess specifically Investfest just passed. Apparently it was a phenomenal turnout, probably the biggest one that they've had so far. I know they have some big heavy hitters on the speaker list. From in all intents and purposes, it seemed like it was a very successful event for them. I'd imagine, based on what we at least seen from the From the outside. I didn't I've never attended Invest Fest. I wasn't a part of it. But from everything I've seen, at least socially from the social media side, it looks like it was very successful. I know leading up to it, they had some hiccups with the mayor, I believe, of Atlanta. There was some back and forth. They felt like they weren't Rodney: They did. Dre: getting support. I guess they worked that out. The mayor showed up to the event. They seem to have shaken hands. But it's this post event criticism that Investfest is receiving, that caused a little bit of stir in the community. So Basically I think there's some backlash from the community and I'm gonna say the black community specifically, around Investfest kind of steering away from what they believe were the roots of Investfest, which is a conference targeted towards black finances, black financial literacy, black investing, right, for for black individuals, and kind of becoming a little bit more broad. And so I guess there's this, you know, every every b every brand that finds himself aligned with the black community initially, kind of comes to this pivot point, right? Where you start to broaden the horizon, broaden the market. And then of course you're gonna get the backlash on black people saying that you're alienating them and all this other stuff. So that's essentially what Under Leisure is kinda going through or Investfest is kinda going through. But then Rashad, the founder, came out on one of the podcasts and essentially kind of said he's never been on this black thing. basically just kind of he's done with the black thing. He's off the black thing. He's over, he's done with it. Rodney: He done with the black thing. He's off the black thing. Dre: next next year is gonna be even more whites, more Asians, more Filipinos, more just all different types of nationalities there beyond just black Americans essentially, or just black people in general. and he's getting a lot of backlash for that. So I don't know what what did y'all think about that? He said more than that, but that's the the crux of what he said is that hey, Investfest is not meant for just black people. So wherever y'all got that shit from. Get out of here with that. That's not what we're here for. That's basically what he said. Rodney: Think that He needs to work on communication and the timing of his communication and his word choice. I I think that the timing when he was feeling the way that he was feeling is the reason why he communicated in s in certain ways. If you say that, I'm off that black thing, I'm off that black stuff, I'm I'm off that y you can't expect anybody to take that in a positive way. Right. They there's n there's no way anybody's gonna take that positively. That's going to backfire. So he could have chose a better timing. where he was more composed in in in what he wanted to say and how he felt. and then I think that he there so the mayor the mayor of Atlanta is Andre Dickens where originally yeah he was saying that the city city doesn't show real support for Invest Fest, which I don't know exactly what he was referring to, and maybe he had some specific concerns in his communication. I don't know if if that was the case or was he just vaguely saying that obviously you put the mayor in a position to say, hey, hold on. Like and the mayor said, look, we support people who support Atlanta, which created a whole tension in itself. So it's a very It's a very adversarial type of tone sometimes in the way the communication happens. Another thing is that Is that I think that to me it is clear that something like Earn Your Leisure would not just be a black thing. At the same time, some of the criticisms are the way that they targeted it seems it comes off a bit like that. it comes off a bit like we are teaching people financial literacy in the black community or at least that's in some of the marketing messages. Not all of them, but in some of them. And so and so that could get people the impression that this is a black thing. At the same time though, I also think to people, hey look, don't be naive. Investing is investing. There's no color on the stock market. There there's no color on the stock market. There's no discrimination on the stock market. I I can download Robin Hood, any of these apps, and trade stocks with no discrimination, with no bias or anything. It's just numbers and finance and insider information or just good judgment calls. So I think that It's turned into a whole thing. Ultimately though, I think his comments when he was emotional have created a much more dramatic scenario. and I don't think that that's what he really wants. And I think they even suggested that they may not come back to Atlanta and and That's fine, I I guess, but That that just the whole the way it's all being handled, it it may not be the best. It just may not be be the best. I do think though, people are very, very critical of the event and I do believe their intentions were in the right place. I believe that they are trying to help educate people and teach people about investing and teach people about how to make money and teach people how to be more financially responsible and and I don't like seeing the comments. I shared a few in our group chat just people feeling like people this recurring theme of people using or people feel this way, whether it's true or not, that's debatable I guess, but people feeling though they people will use the black community to get some legs and to get big or to get notoriety or whatever it is. And then once they reach a certain point, they discard. And so that's an interesting outlook that I've seen in the comments as well. Dre: Yeah. I don't even believe that he believed some of the things that he said. Like when he said I Brylan: What you mean? Dre: was n like when he said I was never on that, meaning like he was never trying to position earn your leisure or position Investfest to be a black event per se. And I and I and I'm I I I trend cautiously to say black event 'cause it's not like a only blacks only. But clearly that was the target demographic that they were going after. Rodney: Right. Dre: You you don't you don't have a I mean, look, conferences happen every day in Atlanta, but you don't choose that city for no reason. You didn't choose to have it in Wichita, Kansas. No offense to Wichita, right? Like you you you don't you didn't choose to have it in, you know, Gary, Indiana. You you chose to have it in Atlanta. The Black Mecca for a reason. There's a reason why they chose Atlanta specifically to have it in. If it was just about, you know investing anywhere and not necessarily about trying to select a certain aud audience, why not have it in New York? That's investment capital of the world. All the best investors in Wall Street people in the world are there. Why not have it in London? That's where that's where some of the best investors are. Like you chose Atlanta for a reason. So when he says I was never on that, I don't believe he even believed that. He was on that. He's lying. Inve in your leisure Rodney: He's lying. He's lying. He's lying. Dre: and Invest Fest has been on that and that's fine. You know, it's fine that they have been on that and they've They've been able to, and and that's the way, you know, honestly, I think that's the way it should be. I I think we should support each other. We should support our communities. That's what a lot of other nationalities and races do. That's what they do. They support each other and they support the communities. I remember having a an Asian landlord, and I lived there for like three years. Every single contractor we ever had come to that house was Asian. Every single one: the plumber, the Rodney: Hmm. Dre: appliance repair guy, the painter. the the the drywall guy they were all asians they they're all friends and i'm cool with that i wasn't offended i wasn't like well where's the black man no that's your people that's who you know i don't have no problem with that i will call my people too so i don't think it's any i I don't Rodney: Yeah. Dre: think it's nothing wrong with that but but to but to now say that that you was never on that you was never you was never seeking that like that's just that's disingenuous. That's not true. That's not true. I think the best thing he could have done was just keep his mouth shut and this would have just been a news cycle and then just keep building InvestFest, keep building on your leisure and keep expanding the audience in the way that you see fit and understand that when you try to cater to the black audience, you're going to get criticism. I don't care what you do. He could have learned that Rodney: Yes. Dre: from Afrotech. I don't care what you do. He could have learned that from the NCAAP. He could have learned that going all the way back to fucking Booker T Washington. Like, yo, just keep going back in history. Every single movement has had criticism by the black community. That's just what it is. So I think this would have just simply been a news cycle. Instead of him coming in and saying these these these things off of emotion, then honestly he I don't believe he believes. It's just now it's created a whole different story. And so, you know, I I I wish he wouldn't have said anything at all. but unfortunately, I mean it is it is what it is at this point. So, you know. Rodney: I I want Bradley Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: to say something, but I do have to say something to that one point about him making it seem like he was never on that. Check this out. If y'all don't know Kendra G, she's a black woman who helps other black women with dating and stuff like that. And There was a singles event that she hosted at Investfest promising black women that they would be able to meet. high earners things like that. I'm not going to say how it went. That's something else besides my point. But what I will say is is that that comes off like a black event type thing. I I Dre: Yeah. Rodney: a singles a a a singles event at Investfest and and it's it's dare I say a bit unprofessional. So so but yeah go ahead Brian I just wanted to throw that out there it is it clearly it yes it was in Atlanta yes there's this got these singles events you have it it's turning into a little bit more than just investing it's like y'all want to be the kings y'all want to be the the black kings and and and I'm not against that I'm just saying don't roll back now and say it's for everybody. It is for everybody, technically, on a technicality. But to Dre's point, the marketing and the positioning and the people who who you're bringing on to speak, the type of events, et cetera. Brylan: Yeah. I'm a I'm a huge believer that your brand speaks for you before b before you do, right? And I think, you know, when you just look at even how they like go about pushing it, the Steve Harveys, yes, you know, they're able to get, you know, the Robert Smiths the world, and things of that nature, who, yeah, it lets let's just keep it in stack in the world of investing is this very white space. And yes, he has had tremendous success, but at the end of the day. Most black folks have no clue who he is. They just see another black face. Right. and so and so yeah, I think I I I I think their branding has been doing the talking for them. Even if you think about like the conversations that they have on like, you know, the pod, most of their guests, you know, Dre: Yeah. Brylan: have been black folks. and yes, they brought the the Mark Cubans of the world, but even that has been geared, I would even say, to a certain like social economic class that It's primarily black folks. Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: and so I don't think, you know, you have to use the word black for people to see what it is, right? I do think, you know, I I I I strongly agree with you, you know, Dre, in terms of like, yeah, if you'd have just looked at the history of, you know, Afrotech, I would even throw essence in there, right? Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: someone is always gonna have something to say, right? Where like I feel like, you know, if we if we think about the spectrum of like, you know, I say I would say essence is more more so focused on the culture, being a platform for the culture, where you have efforts like being focused more on like, you know, the career pipeline. Investbest is kind of somewhere in the middle, right? You're you're you're yes, you are still pushing the realm of like investing. And if we're gonna be honest, they really do push the realm of investing and entrepreneurship as an alternative to most careers black folks have, black America has, right? But at the same time, you got two chains there. You got TI and so you got these culture elements. How do you not expect Dre: Right. Brylan: how do you how do you not expect this? You know what I mean? And so Dre: Bro, in Atlanta, bro, in bro, come on. The city selection Brylan: And you know Dre: alone tells you what the intention is, bro. Come on. Come on, bro. Brylan: Facts. Facts. But I also feel like it's one of those things of like, bro, we live in a world of distributions, bro. Nothing is ever like as you think it is going to be. There's going to be a little bit of everything. And kudos to them. Like you gotta give them their props. To reach thirty thousand people showing up, Rodney: That's huge. Brylan: that's huge. But you would be naive not to think that those voices are going to be loud when the number is that big. Especially in this world of like TikTok, Twitter, et cetera. And so, Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: I'm gonna be honest. I genuinely don't think this will end up having like much impact if I'm gonna be honest, because at the end of the day, people are making real money, like, you know, tapping in with them. It'll i it'll it'll be short term lived, but you know, yeah, they're gonna keep it they're gonna keep it running. Rodney: It it it it's they'll keep it running. It it's a bit of a reputation damage just because of the way it was handled and and and that just because the just because of what what said. If if it was all the criticism, but then they just didn't say anything, or if they said very little about it. But it's just what he said. I haven't heard I never heard Essence or or Afrotech or any of the people running that coming out and saying, yeah, th yeah, this wasn't we we never wanted this to be all about my p like we I never heard that. and and maybe it was it would be crazy for them to do it because for example Afrotech has Afro in it so it'd be kind of crazy to say it wasn't for so maybe that might be some of the but I would say that that I think one thing that I've incorporated recently in my life, and it's hard to do, but whenever you're being great, and whenever you're doing something at a higher level, you should expect a lot more feedback and scrutiny. And then to add on to it, we already know that in the black community that there's gonna be a higher level of that in certain places, certain areas. And so the reframe I would say is is that is that if you can find a way to not take it personal, you can do a lot of refinements and and and in reality create a much, much, much better event the next time if you can find a way to to to take it less personal. And that's br and that's easier said than done. Because you gotta think Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: about it. If we're getting tons of scrutiny, most people are like, man, okay, man, I can never get it right. But if you look at it more so from a standpoint of okay, we got 5,000 people saying this. Okay. And just trying to take out the things that have validity in them and really not getting too personal about. why they're saying it, who's saying it, and and whether they're trying to tear you down and and break something not not getting into all that, just trying to pull out the and and and I struggled with that earlier in my life. And I can just say that now when I'm operating at such a high level, I I attract more scrutiny. When I for example in in my job, when I started to do a lot more than than others. That didn't just it wasn't just like everybody's like, good congratulations. It's like, hey, hold on. Well what about this? What about that? What about this? Did you Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: check this? Did it and was and and I had a choice. I could get worn because if if you take it personally you get worn down by it. You'll you get worn down by all that. Dre: He he look he looked worn down. He looked stressed. He looked stressed and like he was just frustrated. I'm like, nigga, Rodney: Yes. Dre: you just made millions of dollars, bro. Rodney: Yes. Dre: Millions of dollars. You got a business that's doing millions of dollars. Bro, go take a vacation. Put the phone down, put the camera down, go take a vacation with a baddie if you're not married. I don't know if you're married or not. Have a good time. Have a Rodney: I don't think they're married. I don't think they're married. Dre: great time, bro. And just just keep it moving, bro. Keep it moving. Brylan: Yeah, funny. Rodney: Don't take it personal. Don't take it person because Dre: You ain't got no reason to be stressed. Especially Rodney: those peop those people don't care. Those people that are giving that criticism, they don't even care. They're just they're just talking, man. They're just talking. Dre: Bro, for real, bro. As long as you got health and you got breaths, bro, what are you worried about? Honestly, what are you worried about? And you got relationships. Brylan: Yeah. But I but I also would say this I would also say this too, like if we just gotta if we're just being honest, I do think there needs to be, you know, just a sense of humility. Because if we're gonna be honest, like what they started coming on the scene in like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and I think they've had a tremendous run. Like even the business that they built behind Earn Your Leisure, phenomenal media business. But let's not act like They were already in those spaces where you're knocking elbows with the Chris Lyons of the world, the Robert Smiths the world, like basically now navigating multitudes of rooms of high finance from venture capital to private equity. Right. And a lot of those folks got in in in into bed with them simply, simply because they were carrying the culture. Chris Lyons got into bed with earn your leisure because you had the culture leadership fund. You have Robert Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: Smith pop up out of nowhere after he did Morehouse in this in Atlanta. And this was a natural way for him to continue to build his brand outside of what he's been doing in the business world. And so I do think yeah, maybe there's some, you know, on that vacation, a pause, a a little reflection, but you know, humility that it has been the culture that has lifted them up. Dre: A hundred percent. Rodney: Nothing against Kendro G, but no singles events. When you have a investment based, when you have a business or investment based event, do not allow things like that to be attached to the brand. Brylan: Can I push back? Rodney: No, you can't. No. Brylan: Can I push back? Rodney: I mean I'm look I Dre: You you Rodney: I guess you I guess you can, but before you push back, let me just say I don't see any valid pushback because separate separate the because here's the thing you don't need a singles event to do the the the mingling anyways. If you see something, okay, go ahead and do whatever you gotta do. You don't need like a separate Dedicated, it it comes off unprofessional. It comes off like the motive is not necessarily t entirely focused on like why why we should be putting all our energy focused on the investing and nothing else. So when you see that, it comes off like s like s like what what do we what do we what what what is this? And Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: by the way, it didn't go well. It didn't go well. Brylan: Did you go? Rodney: I think there was five I didn't see I saw the results online. There was there I think I think there was five guys in there and there was over a hundred women in there. So those Dre: Jeez. Rodney: rich men that they were supposed to be in there, they weren't there. So so there's also that part of it. So but I wasn't trying to see you you put me in a position where I I put the results out there. I wasn't even trying to get to the results. I was just trying to I was just trying to Dre: Yeah. Rodney: talk about focus. The focus, that's all. Brylan: But what did they expect in Atlanta? Rodney: Well the they well, she can't Kendra was telling them that the that's where the guys were gonna be at. He's she said, like, if you want some rich. Dre: Surprised, Brylan: be honest. I'm Dre: I'm surprised more than a hundred didn't show up. I would have thought it would have been like a thousand, a thousand, two thousand. I thought it would have been thousands, thousands of them showing up in Atlanta Rodney: It might have been like two h it might have been like two hundred. It might have been like two hundred. Dre: to to bag a rich nigga? Come on. Rodney: Yeah, it was it was a lot it was it was it was Brylan: But but hold up, hold up. Dre: Mm. Rodney: Yeah. Brylan: Hold up. This is this is because I have this conversation I feel like with so many folks, is I think because of social media, as a black community, we have over inflated how many of us we think are really getting money. Like if we're just gonna be honest, the average Rodney: Duh, yeah. Brylan: that the aver the average black household income is less than forty thousand dollars. So even in a room Of thirty of thirty thousand. What what what what is the percentage of black folks that make over six figures? It's like the low percentages, like two, three percent, right? And so if you just did the simple basic math and then you and then Dre: Yeah. It wasn't gonna work. Brylan: you divided that by men. Rodney: Social media got everybody thinking that everybody's making four hundred thousand, five hundred thousand dollars a year. So so that's so that's so that's really the part the the thing about it. It it it's the numbers say something else, but social media got everybody thinking that a hundred thousand is is at the low end. And really, to your point, you're you're in the top twenty percent, ten percent, especially in the black community at that level. Dre: Well let me say this though, but again, but you in Atlanta though, right? I would I would presume I don't have the numbers so you can pull the numbers. If you look at the w pop pockets of wealthiest blacks, would you not think Atlanta is the place for that? In terms of like density. Maybe New York. Ma maybe New York probably would be number one. I I would assume New York is number one number one. Atlanta maybe number two. Brylan: 100%. 100%. But if I already live in in Atlanta, why am I going to a pop-up singles event? Like I live there. I could go to Magic City. It's pop up every day. Dre: But I feel like you would though. Think about it though. That's true. That's true. That's true. But you're not gonna but see the thing is if you want the Wall Street dude though, you want the you want the dude in the s I mean you could probably get that in Atlanta. I'm sure you can. I'm sure you can. But it's like it's accessibility is right there. Brylan: What Wall Street dude is going to Rodney: The the the guys the guys those hot nosed guys with the cash they didn't show up and probably because they are focused Dre: Hmm. Rodney: on on the on the events where they can learn more about making some more money. That's probably what they was focused on. 'Cause maybe 'cause maybe it's not that attractive to be in an event where the women are seeking me because of my money. Maybe maybe it's not it Dre: No that's true, that's true. They should have just made it a a a mixer, a socializer or something. It would it would have had more success. Rodney: Yeah, ca 'cause it's like you putting me in a position where it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, I I see y'all all treating me nice, but it's like we know why. Dre: What w what y'all think the the five who was there, you think they chose something or you think they just shut it down? Like they know like I mean you hey, you show up, it's five versus a hundred. You can pick whatever you want. Brylan: No, no, no, no. I got two arms. They got arms. We interlocked. Dre: You taking two? Brylan: No, no, no. Bro, I'm taking as many arms wanna be interlocked. Lock up with her. Dre: Ha ha ha. Rodney: I I would have to see how they looked. Because because remember, it's not just you need the money. That c people say the but but you also have to have a certain look. So I would have Dre: Yeah. Rodney: to have seen the if you walked in with the You can't be Urkel you can't be Urkel. You Dre: You you gotta have money, you gotta be six five. What no, what's the height the height now? No. Rodney: can't be Urkel, you gotta be Stefan. You you can't be you ca you can't be Urkel. So so that's the thing about it. So I I would have to see who should I have to see. They they they I I would have to see who I would have to Dre: Yeah. Rodney: see. Dre: Man, interesting. Well, shout out to Invest Fest, man. We hope those guys continue to be successful. They've obviously laid a an incredible blueprint. and it would be dope to copy that. It'd be nice to have a in person event as big as Invest Rodney: For sure. Dre: Fest, man. That's dope. That's dope. All right, where y'all wanna go next, man? Rodney: Let's do Brylan: Man, let's talk about yeah, let's talk about Moderna, bro. They yeah, Rodney: Yeah, let's do it. Brylan: they ended up closing I think up two hundred plus percent today. And so yeah, I don't Rodney: Damn. Brylan: know how many I I don't know how many people are aware of Moderna, but Moderna was one of the companies along with Pfizer, if I remember correctly, that really took the world by storm during the pandemic. And a little bit of context about them and and why this is important is at the time of you know when it came to vaccinations and feel free to jump in here on because you obviously this is your your your expertise background, but from my understanding, at the time when new drugs wanted to be brought to market, that process of going through all the different, you know, trial periods and then more Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: so It was like the science, the science of developing a new drug. Literally, I think it was taking on like 10 10 plus years to make it through the full process. Now, obviously, they had the government on their side, but the scientific breakthrough that they had was mRNA. And so to keep it super simple for folks, the way any virus, cancer, etc. functions, anything in your body functions is based off of proteins. And mRNA. Is the middleman between a protein and your DNA. So mRNA literally takes a gene and translates it into a piece of code that then can be translated into a specific protein that has some function or does some work in the body. And the reason why that was important is because it made it one, more effective for that specific treatment to do its job, but two, personalization of medicine. And so obviously during during the pan pandemic, I think they they they ran up to like a 200 billion dollar market cap. But over the last few years, because the pandemic has tapered down, they went as low as $10 billion and had to make a major reduction in their in their in their in their company, cut costs, all of that. And so today, literally before the markets even opened, and they ended up jumping 100% and then 200%. And it was all based off the news that this new mRNA this mRNA technology has now transitioned to phase three clinical trials, which is like very important. you know, in terms of being able to, you know, hopefully treat like, you know, and cure like skin cancer. And so I mean, I feel like the market reacted violently. That's that's that's the best way to go. Like to go from a market cap of, yeah, I think they were like low tens. to you know, Dre: Yeah. Brylan: upwards of a hundred. It's crazy, bruh. Dre: I I think the one thing that I don't know if I heard you say this were did you say the word personalized? Did you use that word yet? Personalized. Brylan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Dre: Yeah. Yeah. So I think the personalization aspect is what really stuck out to me, right? Is that you effectively like the the h the hope, right? What's the end outcome of this, right? Like for this assuming you get from phase three to full market, right? The hope is that you can get personalized cancer drugs, right? So Pretend you have guy A that has cancer and guy B that has cancer. Perhaps they have the same type of cancer or classification of same cancer, let's say melanoma melanoma, for example, skin cancer. They might need two different types of drugs, right? And so this in theory would allow a drug per producer to be able to make a a specific drug to treat patient A and a specific drug to treat patient B, right? Same class of drug, but just a maybe a different mix of that drug or how that drug is instrument. how that drug is is administered to that particular patient. And I think I think that's interesting, right? And there's been a lot of conversation about this obviously over the over years. And so this by no means is a cure for cancer. This by no means even means it'll even make it out of phase three, right? But I think in general, progress towards better drugs, I think is at least the thing that I am most excited about when it comes to AI. I remember us having a conversation months ago, and I think Bryan, you said it, You said most people won't even benefit, really get the benefit of of AI models today, right? and I I actually think that the benefit and I think I probably said on that pod, I think the the benefit that everyday people will get from AI will be in the form of of new drug discovery, right? And of course there's a lot of hurdles to to overcome to get there, right? First you gotta beat out big pharma, right? Because they have an incentive to to not necessarily change the way drugs are distributed. and produce today, right? Obviously for their business model, right? You got to change regulation, right? Then you got the scientific aspect. So there are many hurdles to overcome, but I am more optimistic that having technology as a weapon, as a tool, in the hands of the right scientists, in the hands of the right institutions, and the hands of the right companies, can do good. And so I think this is a right step in the right direction. Again, it's not a cure for cancer. It may not even material. it may not even become material. But nevertheless, it at least shows what's possible. And so maybe some other group of scientists out there will see this, get inspired, and then maybe go off and do something that actually can come out into the world. So we'll see. Rodney: So I want to link this to another piece of news that came out, Anthropic came out with some discoveries or some progress in creating protein binders. And protein binders are essentially the first step to creating drugs. And the way it worked previously is that scientists would understand the type of proteins that show up in the in in a disease. And then try to design these binders, and it would take typically weeks and months to design a protein binder. And then from there, they would test if if the protein binder actually stuck to the Pacific protein. And the success rate was between 10 to 15 percent. What Entropic did was they reduced the time. From weeks to months to 24 to 48 hours and they increase the success rate to 20 to 35 percent. Now, how does this link to the the mRNA technology? Cause it because it doesn't replace it. So in simple words, the protein binder step is first. That's the that's the first step. So if you can increase the success rate of creating protein binders, but then also reduce the time it takes to discover them, that is significant. That will significantly speed up the process. So that is something that Enthropic has come out with in the last in the last few days or or announced it. They may not have it publicly, I don't know if it's public or not, but then you have mRNA technology, which is How do you deliver and produce it? And so those both work collaboratively to ultimately make the cures to these diseases or or the drugs, the vaccines, etc. Whatever, whatever the delivery method is. So it there is these big strides, it seems like, or these big leaps that are happening. And we should expect essentially exponential increases in drug discovery and cures of diseases. Dario and Tropic have have have recently talked a lot about how they'll be able to cure cancer in five to ten years. I think they focus on cancer because it's been the most difficult thing that we have not a as a as a society figure out how to be. But they're if you can cure cancer, then I think what they're essentially saying, if you we if we can cure the most difficult thing, then everything else will be easy. And so but they're not saying that because I think that they think that people are going to take that and under and backtrack it and understand it from that perspective. And I don't know if it if people will. And and and that's a separate conversation I guess about messaging, but and maybe we can get into that. But yes, there's some strides that are being made. The stock went up for Moderna, it doesn't surprise me. I suspect the profit continue to go up because right now there's really nothing that's competing with that type of technology that they're working on. And they also have AI. So I don't see why. So to be honest with you, the whole health field I think is on the verge of an explosion. Due to the advancements of AI, I think the most obvious ones are gonna be coding. We we see coding and engineering being sped up. But it's gonna be different when we s when we really start to see the scientific s speed up. That will that will really shock everybody. But yeah, I I I I think a I think a I think I've been thinking a lot about how we often hear AI will cure cancer, AI will cure cancer. And I just think that the people in Silicon Valley believe that that is more compelling than it is to the average person when they hear it. Because I think that, you know, for example, for me, my dad had pancre pancreatic cancer years ago and he he passed away from that. I know that there are other people that have had it. and I think typically before that, I had heard about cancer a million times. I knew how important cancer was. I heard about breast cancer. I heard about all these different cancers. I heard about stupid jobs having cancer cancer. I heard about cancer a million different times. But it was like when my dad got cancer, I realized that now I started to see it it differently and I and I and I and sometimes when I hear this messaging from Silicon Valley I say, This is all great, this is all awesome, but I You might get more support if if people could see, for example, AI will will cure anxiety. AI will cure pain. By the time someone gets cancer, usually they're they're usually not young. And it's not as if 30% of the population has cancer. That's like the serious that that's that that's like serious usually that that's like serious and you might know one or two people that have gotten it maybe but or maybe you have it as but so it doesn't come off as compelling as it actually is. Like it it's extremely compelling but I think the messaging of it doesn't come off as compelling. Because if you can cure cancer, yes, then you should be able to cure potentially diabetes. That's a very Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: common thing. You should be able to look here exactly like s so I think maybe Silicon Valley could use a little tips on how they communicate so that it it it it reaches people a a bit more clear. Dre: I think part of the problem that I see with it is that I don't think people actually believe that we are actually gonna cure cancer. I think that to me is the the bigger Rodney: That's too. Dre: thing. 'Cause I I do think that curing cancer, to me at least, is compelling because you know, I I feel like most most people and again I'm being very d broad here, it like you said, either have cancer or you know somebody who's impacted by cancer. Right. Like I I feel like at this point, like you know somebody to know somebody to know somebody. Even if it's not in your immediate circle, you know an adjacent circle of somebody who more than likely has been impacted by cancer. Right. And so I think I so I think and and you've probably seen the impact, even if it hasn't been up close and personal. Like again, you've been my friend for decades. So I've known your dad has has passed away, right? That's never stuck that's never left my brain. Right. I remember when we were in high school and like that. I I just remember that whole that that that time. Rodney: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dre: But again, I wasn't as close to it as you are, because that's in your household, right? But I've at least Rodney: Yeah. Dre: seen it from a distance and understand how that semi-affects you. You know Rodney: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dre: what I'm saying? And some of my other friends as well. So I've seen it from that regard. So I think it's Rodney: Yeah. Dre: incredibly compelling. But I think to me, the thing is like, are we actually gonna be able to get there? Right. To your point about diabetes, I could see like maybe that, maybe that could be cured. But to me, cancer seems so broad. So it's like, I it's like, yeah, I believe that I believe Rodney: Yeah, yeah. Dre: we have the tools to solve the problem, but it's like to me, that's not really the problem. The problem is more so like I said, it's the industry, it's regulation, it's big pharma. It's like to me, it's so many forces that have an incentive to stop the progression of even talking about curing cancer, than it is than than it is of people who actually have the the the wherewithal to actually try to cure cancer. So to me it's like even if It's like it's not even a question of can we do it? I believe we could do it. I believe we as hum as humans, we can do anything we want, right? It's like it's kinda like what Elon says, as long as it's not defining the laws of physics, it's possible. Right. So I I believe that. But then it's the other stuff I think around that. And so I don't know if everyday people are thinking about that. And so it's like, you know, you say it's like after a while, it's like, yeah, you say you're caring cancer, but then it's like we don't hear about that drug no more because it didn't get FDA approval, right? Or it didn't get off the trial phases, or it didn't get the funding to need it. Right, or you have big ass pharma companies that are lobbying to stop these things from happening. So it just never got out there. It wasn't about the technology, it was about the politics or the burea bureaucratic conditions. Rodney: Right. You yeah. Yeah. So them so so let me actually let me switch it then a little bit. Still say the aspirational curing cancer, but do you think that maybe some of the smaller few adding some of those lower hanging fruit fruits would would help with the the confidence? So so if cancer is is the big is is is the big bad wolf, okay, then we want to try to say, okay because cancer is yeah, we know somebody you you know somebody somebody you know, or or maybe you got it at forty or you beat it, whatever it is. But for example, anxiety for a lot of people is an everyday thing. Depression is an everyday thing. Think certain things are everyday tangible thing, and if those are easier to beat than cancer, which theoretically I would think they would be, then and you would get more, you would build up that confidence quicker. From the f from the eyes of the public. and and and and so and that and that's really what I look at. And then also too yes, yeah, yeah, Dre: I get that. It's like a iterate it's almost like iterate your way there, essentially, right? Rodney: yeah. Brylan: So so so so to that point of iteration, I I I agree with you. I think if you go after some of those things that, you know, like you said, like depression, you know, maybe even some addictions, etc. but Dre: Yeah, addictions. Brylan: I would I w I I I I really want to say that like those are like on another end of the spectrum when it comes to cancer. I think I think I think it is probably the wrong frame. It so let me let me frame it this way. Marketing and saying publicly that we're going to cure cancer is a play on the heart. It is a good marketing tactic. But the reality is of the science, cancer is mutation based. It's all evolution. So even there's a reason why, like, even if someone breat beats stage four breast cancer, it can come back because the mutations end up changing in your body, and your body ends up adapting. And so, like, even like I was just kind of like reading a little bit deeper into it. Like, even in their report, the way the way the the way that they framed it was we're not solving cancer, we're just lowering the chance that a specific already removed mutation comes back. But that doesn't necessarily mean that that cancer won't pop up again because a new mutation ended up adapting. And so it does become this irritative process where yes, we might have personalized it to fight. That specific cancer in your body, but because of mutation, it came back. That same exact cancer came back. And now you just end up needing like another form. And so I don't know how much I really buy into like this cure cancer versus like we're better, we're we're we're in a better position to be able to fight it, in my opinion. Like that's that's how I would sell it. Rodney: cure HIV. Like if they if they said stuff if they said stuff like that, that would that I'm t Dre: No. Rodney: what I'm focused on, I'm not focused on the technicality as much. I believe that that if you have enough momentum, nothing will stop nothing will stop it. Nothing will stop all these things Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: from happening. But you have to be able to build up momentum in such a way where The people who are sensitivized to block the momentum can't reasonably block it without looking and saying. So so so so so so and so there are certain diseases, like for example, if you said if they were saying we could cure HIV. In people's brains, that there's no way that'll ever be cured. So if you say that, that's If that that is the there's a this this it's compelling. If you say that you can Dre: Right. Rodney: cure certain sexual diseases that that there are a good amount of people that do have, they have them and that are incurable. So if you say cer so I guess what I'm getting at is that all this stuff is really cool to see and we're obviously seeing progress and it's heading towards that direction, whether it's Modernas RNA. or clots, protein binders, original research, things of that nature. I'm I'm sure OpenAI has some stuff in the tuck that's coming as well. this is a huge competitive battle. More of the data more data centers, more compute, they'll be able to do more. And so we'll be seeing more of this in 2027. So There's going to be and and a little birdie told me from the ins from the inside, there's gonna be an a a really, really strong designer peptide coming out probably by 2030. And and that will do a whole lot of stuff. A whole lot of stuff. So, so If all these things are true, then in my opinion, what I'm mostly focused on is I want to see less of this of this AI bad narrative. And I do think that if you can get some easy wins, some easier wins, some more tangible wins sooner, the more likely you make it seem like you're the irrational one. Because because People, if somebody says, I'm gonna destroy a data center, you say, well, it's it can cure cancer. No, but that that's not that's not enough to stop people from that one, like Dre said, they're not gonna believe you. They they're not even gonna believe that. Like it's it's and then and then two, it's just not enough because Cancer is not pre prevalent enough. It's not prevalent enough. Like we we know whole states that are in chokeholds from painkiller addictions and stuff like that. So in those cases, it's like that is clear. That is clear. You say you can get people off these off these you can cure drug drug addicts in some way, whatever it is, or Restore people's brains back to how they were when they were children or whatever whatever it was. Stuff there there there's just I guess what I'm just saying is that Mike Your Cheek is on Silicon Valley and the way that they talk so high level and so in this dream world of it's just it it'll cure Dre: Yeah. Rodney: cancer and everybody should just just believe this and it's just it's just vague this is just vague thing. We can we can't explain how it'll do it, but it it will do it. So just leave us alone. It's just like, what do you yeah guys? It's like people will hate people Dre: You ain't thinking big enough. You come in an investor off time I'm trying to cure anxiety. They're gonna be like, What? You ain't that ain't even a big they're gonna think it's ain't a big enough problem. Yeah, you're right. HIV is different. Rodney: Yeah. Dre: HIV is different. Yeah. But investors like you gotta go after Rodney: W s was say HIV though? Say say HIV. Say HIV. Say say Badge of Johnson. Dre: them. No, you're right though. But I I I I agree. Rodney: Bro. Brylan: He'd probably put up a ton of money. Dre: I agree. I agree. And I I think like even with drug addiction, like drug addiction alone, that's a huge, huge, huge thing. But again, to Rodney: Yes, yes. Talk Dre: me, to me, I think my my fear is not technology. My fear is those forces that again are incentivize because I I think that's Rodney: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Dre: huge, bro. Like those forces that are incentivized to not have progress. I I really do. I think that's a big thing. And I I'm hope I hope that again you you get people like Again, maybe it is Dario. You get big people who have funding who really wanna make a difference in that space, and who can fight back the forces. Cause to me it's it's not we're we're past the technology phase. Even though some of these things do still need to get figured out, I'm not dismissing what Bryan said about the mutation and changing, all of those things. But my thing is if we wanted to prioritize making that a priority, we could I think we could solve for that. Well in whatever way that looks like. Whether it was absolute and solving it, maybe not, but maybe we could solve it sixty percent of the way. But I don't But we're not even focused on even solving that because I don't because again, we're w there's a lot of incentives to not even look that way. Let's just keep you on the pill for the rest of your life. I mean, that's just the way the business model Brylan: Yeah. Dre: is written right now, unfortunately. Rodney: Brian was sounding like Brylan: Yeah, so what's Rodney: he was sounding like Freeberg for a second. Brylan: Nah, nah, I'm I I I'm gonna be I I'm bro, I'm just I'm just skeptical, bro. I'm just like whenever somebody says, I'm like that may like like if we're gonna be honest, bro, that that may be true for, you know, let's say, you know, a decade or something, bro. But watch that shit pop up again, bro. Like, you know? And so, yeah, and the other thing I thought was like very interesting. Rodney: We should be skeptical. Brylan: Now the other thing I thought was interesting going back to what you're saying about incentives, right now, bro, yeah, they're saying before hospital costs, right? Because this will involve it involves like a procedure and like the whole thing. The the the treatment itself is two hundred thousand dollars, bro. And it's not something at least right now that falls under insurance. So the market is naturally limited, right? Like, so Dre: Yeah. Yeah. Insurance is a whole different Brylan: Yeah. Dre: whole different beast, bro. Like again. Yeah. Rodney: You know, that's a good point. Somebody said that. Someone was like, okay, so y'all solve cancer and then but we have no jobs and we can't so what am we gonna do? So how we go how we look Brylan: Next. Rodney: and I was like Dre: Well well even even if you have a job, if the insurance companies don't cover it, you ain't getting it. Period. Rodney: Yeah. Dre: It could be out there all day on the show. If your insurance covers you'd be like, we're Rodney: Yeah. Dre: not doing it, it's gonna be $150,000 this month for that pill for that 30 day pack. People you you you fucked. Rodney: Yeah. W we we have some society we have some societal problems coming 'cause essentially it it is gonna start turning into if you are wealthy, you will have cures. You'll have you will have the cure to cancer, you have the cure to HIV, you'll have the cure you you have the because it th they're not going to immediately be able to solve the cost issue unless we restructure so many things about how society like it Dre: Th that's trillions and trillions of dollars that you gotta restructure. There's gonna be a lot of people pissed off. There's gonna be a lot of people Rodney: Right. Dre: pissed off about that. But on the flip side, there's a lot of people pissed off. I mean, we saw what happened a couple months ago or last year with the United Healthcare CEO who was gunned down in in New York, right? And Rodney: Yeah, yeah. Dre: again, when you read the manifesto of the guy that committed the crime, what did it come down to? High cost, un Rodney: Back bang. Dre: inaccessibility like You know, inaccessibility, like there's this disparity between, to your point, Rodney, people who will have access and people that don't. I mean, literally, the lives of everyday people are literally hinging based off of an insurance company, a single person sometimes within an insurance company deciding, yes, we're gonna cover this, or no, we're not gonna cover this. So it's again, it's not the technology. It's sometimes just based on dumbass political rules that we made in society. And I mean, we essentially create our own. So yeah. Not to say I I mean I hope more people don't take that route of killing CEOs, but I mean at some point I mean, what do you expect to happen? You know, you playing with other people's lives, Brylan: boy. Dre: what you expect to happen? I'm just saying. Rodney: I guess we'll see. I guess we'll see that. Brylan: Hold on. Hold because we were talking about addiction. I don't know if y'all ever, man, I don't know if y'all heard so his name is Ali Roset. there's a really good sixty minutes if you have not seen it, 'cause like I think this kind of falls into this category. But he basically developed this treatment that is able to use like ultrasound. So like the same ultrasound pregnant women are using to be able to see how healthy the baby is, all that stuff. He was able to adapt that on a lower intensity to specifically target the area of the brain that is associated with like drug addiction and things of that nature. And like he's like if you go watch that, bro, it's just going to infuriate you because like his research and like the progress and like even when you see the lives of these people after like just having this treatment, like. It's it's like why why are we not doing this when we have fentanyl and all this Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: other stuff taking our country? And it literally comes back to incentives and insurance, either one, not wanting to pay for this, or two, it just being blocked by the traditional kind of like FDA kind of like, you know, approval process. So yeah, there's I I feel like the science has probably always been out there. But like when I think about like AI, I think you it's gonna take AI and policy, bro. Where AI is going to Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: help change yeah if you think about drug development it's just it's a different type of manufacturing. So the same way you're seeing robotics speed up physical manufacturing and reduce costs, hopefully we see that translate to the manufacturing process of these drugs. But I mean, even if you have that, it's not fucking gonna matter if the incentives and the policy aren't there to kind of like support that future. So Dre: Yeah. Well said, man. Rodney: Momentum. Mo momentum and resources. That's the only thing that that can be the inertia that's that that's keeping the progress back. Dre: 100% man. Y'all wanna wrap it up there? Alright, Rodney: Yeah, let's do it. Dre: we'll catch y'all on the next one. Brylan: yeah.