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A Deep Dive into the 1905 Army-Navy Game Negotiations · Sports History Network

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  Hello,
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  my
• 0:52
  football
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  friends.
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  Darin
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  Hayes
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  again
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  Pen,
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  your
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  deposit
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  of
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  And
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  it
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  is
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  another
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  week
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  where
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  we
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  get
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  to
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  take
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  in
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  one
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  of
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  Tim
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  Brown
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  of
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  FootballArchaeology.com
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  stories,
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  his
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  recent
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  Tim,
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  Pig
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  Pen.
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  Hey
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  there.
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  Look
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  forward
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  to
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  chatting,
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  though.
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  I
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  think
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  this
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  episode
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  is
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  full
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  of
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  a
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  bunch
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  of
• 1:12
  bull.
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  Well,
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  many
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  people
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  do
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  say
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  that
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  when
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  you
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  and
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  I
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  talk,
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  but
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  especially
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  when
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  we're
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  talking
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  on
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  the
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  same
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  podcast
• 1:19
  episode.
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  But
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  I
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  don't
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  think
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  you're
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  going
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  to
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  give
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  us
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  any
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  bull
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  in
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  the
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  terms
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  that
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  maybe
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  people
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  are
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  thinking
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  about
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  it
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  because
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  you're
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  segueing
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  into
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  a
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  recent
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  tidbit
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  story
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  you
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  wrote
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  that
• 1:28
  you
• 1:28
  had
• 1:28
  titled
• 1:29
  Bull
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  Halsey
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  Palmer
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  E.
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  Pierce
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  and
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  the
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  1905
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  Army
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  Navy
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  game.
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  It's
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  always
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  good
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  to
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  talk
• 1:35
  about
• 1:35
  football
• 1:36
  history
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  and
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  Army
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  Navy
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  game.
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  That's
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  some
• 1:37
  excitement.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  I'll
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  have
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  to
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  go
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  back
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  to
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  my
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  youthful
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  days.
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  I
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  had
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  a
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  history
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  professor
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  one
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  time
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  who
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  I
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  think,
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  you
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  know,
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  he
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  always
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  had
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  cool
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  techniques
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  that
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  he
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  used
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  in,
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  in
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  talking
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  or,
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  you
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  know,
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  given
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  lectures
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  was
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  he'd
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  sprinkle
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  in
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  somebody
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  who
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  later
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  became
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  famous,
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  who
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  was
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  at
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  certain
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  events
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  or
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  was
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  involved
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  in
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  certain
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  activities
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  when
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  they
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  were
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  just
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  a
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  schlub.
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  Right.
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  So,
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  you
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  know,
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  it
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  might
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  be
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  recent
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  college
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  graduate
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  or
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  something
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  who
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  ends
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  up
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  at
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  the
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  Democratic
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  National
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  Convention
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  in,
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  you
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  know,
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  1920
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  or
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  whatever
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  it
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  was.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  but
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  you
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  kind
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  of
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  realize,
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  okay,
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  this,
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  this
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  is
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  what
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  influenced,
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  you
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  know,
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  this
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  had
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  some
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  influence
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  on
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  that
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  person's
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  policies,
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  you
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  know,
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  later
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  on
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  down
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  the
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  road.
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  So
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  this
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  is
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  kind
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  of
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  one
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  of
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  those
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  where
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  it's,
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  it's
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  a
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  story
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  about,
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  you
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  know,
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  kind
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  of
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  a
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  neat
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  or
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  an
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  interesting
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  event
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  in
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  football
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  history
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  and
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  specifically
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  Army
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  Navy.
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  But
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  history
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  and
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  it
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  involves
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  two
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  people
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  who
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  later
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  became
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  very,
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  you
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  know,
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  prominent
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  individuals.
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  So,
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  so
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  basically,
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  you
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  know,
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  if
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  you
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  the
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  start
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  of
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  the
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  Army
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  Navy
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  rivalry,
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  Navy
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  was
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  playing
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  football
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  for,
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  you
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  know,
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  handful
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  of
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  years
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  before
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  army
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  did.
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  And
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  so
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  they
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  first
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  met
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  in
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  1890
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  and
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  they
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  played
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  at
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  West
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  Point
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  for
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  the
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  first
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  four
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  years.
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  They
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  went
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  back
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  and
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  forth,
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  West
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  Point,
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  Annapolis,
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  West
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  Point,
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  Annapolis.
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  But,
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  you
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  know,
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  it
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  became
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  a
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  popular
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  enough
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  event
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  and
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  enough
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  people
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  wanted
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  to
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  see
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  the
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  Army
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  Navy
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  game
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  that
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  they
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  switched
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  the
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  location
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  to
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  Philadelphia
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  and
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  Penn's
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  Franklin
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  Field,
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  which
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  at
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  the
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  time
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  was
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  biggest
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  stadiums
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  in
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  the
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  country,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  they
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  played
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  baseball
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  there,
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  too.
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  But
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  it
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  was
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  designed
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  as
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  a
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  track
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  and
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  football
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  facility.
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  So
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  but,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  over
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  time
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  it
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  just
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  got,
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  it
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  kind
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  of
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  grew
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  and
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  Grew,
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  right?
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  So
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  everybody
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  who
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  was
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  anybody
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  wanted
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  to
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  be
• 3:43
  at
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  the
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  game.
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  And
• 3:45
  so,
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  you
• 3:46
  know,
• 3:46
  literally
• 3:47
  Congress
• 3:47
  people
• 3:48
  would
• 3:49
  threaten
• 3:49
  not
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  to
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  fund
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  certain
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  activities
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  for
• 3:52
  the
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  academies
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  if
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  they
• 3:53
  didn't
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  get
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  tickets
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  that
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  they
• 3:55
  wanted.
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  And
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  then,
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  you
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  know,
• 3:56
  their
• 3:56
  alums
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  wanted
• 3:57
  tickets
• 3:57
  and
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  you
• 3:58
  know,
• 3:58
  generals
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  and
• 3:59
  admirals,
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  etc.
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  And
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  so
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  part
• 4:03
  of
• 4:03
  the.
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  What,
• 4:04
  you
• 4:04
  know,
• 4:04
  one
• 4:04
  of
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  problems
• 4:05
  that
• 4:05
  developed
• 4:06
  by
• 4:06
  night,
• 4:06
  you
• 4:07
  know,
• 4:07
  after
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  1904
• 4:09
  game
• 4:10
  was
• 4:10
  that
• 4:11
  since
• 4:12
  Penn
• 4:12
  hosted
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  game,
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  they
• 4:15
  got
• 4:15
  a
• 4:15
  third
• 4:15
  of
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  tickets.
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  So,
• 4:17
  so
• 4:18
  Penn,
• 4:18
  army
• 4:19
  and
• 4:19
  Navy
• 4:19
  each
• 4:19
  got
• 4:19
  a
• 4:20
  third
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  tickets
• 4:20
  and
• 4:20
  then
• 4:20
  they
• 4:21
  could
• 4:21
  distribute
• 4:21
  them
• 4:22
  how
• 4:22
  they
• 4:22
  wanted
• 4:22
  to.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:23
  so,
• 4:24
  you
• 4:24
  know,
• 4:25
  Penn
• 4:25
  gave
• 4:26
  some
• 4:26
  to
• 4:26
  their
• 4:26
  students,
• 4:27
  to
• 4:27
  their
• 4:27
  donors
• 4:27
  and
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:28
  whatever,
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:29
  influential
• 4:29
  people
• 4:29
  in
• 4:30
  Pennsylvania
• 4:31
  and
• 4:31
  Philadelphia.
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  And
• 4:33
  so
• 4:34
  army
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  Navy
• 4:34
  didn't
• 4:35
  have
• 4:35
  as
• 4:35
  many
• 4:35
  tickets
• 4:36
  to
• 4:36
  give
• 4:36
  out
• 4:37
  as
• 4:37
  they
• 4:37
  wanted
• 4:37
  to,
• 4:38
  as
• 4:38
  they
• 4:39
  wanted.
• 4:39
  And
• 4:39
  so
• 4:40
  they
• 4:40
  basically
• 4:41
  told
• 4:41
  Penn,
• 4:41
  hey,
• 4:42
  either
• 4:42
  you
• 4:42
  need
• 4:43
  to,
• 4:44
  you
• 4:44
  need
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  give
• 4:45
  us
• 4:45
  more
• 4:45
  of
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  tickets
• 4:46
  in,
• 4:46
  in
• 4:46
  order
• 4:47
  for
• 4:47
  us
• 4:47
  to
• 4:47
  continue
• 4:47
  coming
• 4:48
  here.
• 4:49
  And
• 4:49
  Penn
• 4:50
  was
• 4:50
  like,
• 4:51
  sorry,
• 4:51
  you
• 4:52
  know,
• 4:52
  and
• 4:53
  the
• 4:53
  other
• 4:53
  thing,
• 4:53
  even
• 4:54
  Pennsylvania
• 4:54
  Pen
• 4:55
  didn't
• 4:55
  make
• 4:55
  any
• 4:55
  money
• 4:55
  on
• 4:56
  this
• 4:56
  thing
• 4:56
  because
• 4:56
  they,
• 4:57
  whatever
• 4:57
  they
• 4:57
  made
• 4:58
  off
• 4:58
  ticket
• 4:59
  off
• 4:59
  of
• 4:59
  ticket
• 4:59
  sales,
• 5:00
  they
• 5:00
  donated
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  an
• 5:02
  orphans
• 5:02
  fund
• 5:03
  for
• 5:03
  military,
• 5:04
  you
• 5:05
  know,
• 5:05
  children
• 5:06
  of,
• 5:06
  you
• 5:06
  know,
• 5:08
  service
• 5:08
  people
• 5:08
  that,
• 5:09
  that
• 5:09
  have
• 5:09
  been,
• 5:10
  you
• 5:10
  know,
• 5:10
  killed
• 5:10
  and
• 5:10
  do,
• 5:11
  you
• 5:11
  know,
• 5:11
  on
• 5:12
  duty.
• 5:13
  So
• 5:13
  anyways,
• 5:16
  so
• 5:16
  the,
• 5:18
  there
• 5:19
  were
• 5:19
  two
• 5:19
  people
• 5:20
  involved
• 5:20
  in
• 5:20
  negotiating
• 5:21
  this
• 5:22
  deal.
• 5:22
  One
• 5:22
  was
• 5:23
  Bull
• 5:24
  Halsey,
• 5:24
  who
• 5:25
  was
• 5:25
  effectively
• 5:26
  the,
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  Navy
• 5:27
  athletic
• 5:28
  director.
• 5:28
  He
• 5:29
  had
• 5:29
  a
• 5:29
  different
• 5:29
  title
• 5:29
  but.
• 5:30
  And
• 5:30
  then
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  guy
• 5:31
  named
• 5:31
  Palmer
• 5:32
  E.
• 5:32
  Pierce,
• 5:33
  who
• 5:33
  was
• 5:34
  Army's
• 5:35
  ad,
• 5:36
  at
• 5:36
  least
• 5:36
  for
• 5:37
  football.
• 5:38
  And
• 5:39
  so,
• 5:41
  so
• 5:42
  it
• 5:42
  ends
• 5:43
  up
• 5:43
  with
• 5:43
  like
• 5:44
  letters
• 5:44
  being
• 5:44
  published
• 5:45
  in
• 5:45
  the
• 5:45
  Philadelphia
• 5:46
  Inquirer
• 5:47
  of
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  back
• 5:47
  and
• 5:47
  forth
• 5:48
  between
• 5:48
  Penn
• 5:49
  and
• 5:49
  these
• 5:49
  two
• 5:49
  guys
• 5:51
  and
• 5:52
  eventually
• 5:53
  they
• 5:53
  kind
• 5:53
  of
• 5:54
  break
• 5:54
  off
• 5:54
  negotiations
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  say,
• 5:55
  okay,
• 5:55
  sorry,
• 5:56
  we're
• 5:56
  going
• 5:56
  to
• 5:56
  go
• 5:57
  elsewhere.
• 5:58
  So
• 5:58
  they
• 5:58
  moved
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  1905
• 5:59
  game
• 6:00
  to
• 6:00
  Princeton,
• 6:02
  which
• 6:02
  is
• 6:02
  a
• 6:02
  perfectly
• 6:03
  fine
• 6:03
  place
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  watch
• 6:04
  a
• 6:04
  college
• 6:05
  football
• 6:05
  game
• 6:05
  again.
• 6:06
  At
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  time
• 6:06
  they
• 6:07
  had
• 6:07
  a
• 6:08
  decent
• 6:08
  sized
• 6:09
  stadium.
• 6:11
  But
• 6:13
  the
• 6:13
  problem
• 6:13
  with,
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  know,
• 6:14
  when
• 6:14
  they
• 6:15
  held
• 6:15
  the
• 6:15
  game
• 6:15
  at
• 6:15
  Penn
• 6:16
  in
• 6:16
  1905,
• 6:18
  the
• 6:18
  problem
• 6:18
  was
• 6:18
  that
• 6:18
  I
• 6:19
  think
• 6:19
  Penn's
• 6:20
  facilities
• 6:20
  and
• 6:21
  everything
• 6:21
  worked
• 6:21
  well,
• 6:22
  assuming
• 6:23
  a
• 6:23
  lot
• 6:23
  of
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  attendees
• 6:24
  were
• 6:25
  going
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  be
• 6:25
  from
• 6:25
  the
• 6:26
  immediate
• 6:26
  area
• 6:28
  in
• 6:28
  Princeton,
• 6:28
  which
• 6:29
  is
• 6:29
  a
• 6:29
  fairly
• 6:30
  small
• 6:30
  town
• 6:30
  then
• 6:32
  students
• 6:32
  and
• 6:34
  somewhat
• 6:34
  reasonably
• 6:35
  located
• 6:35
  alums.
• 6:37
  But
• 6:37
  with
• 6:38
  Army
• 6:38
  Navy,
• 6:38
  it
• 6:38
  was
• 6:39
  like
• 6:39
  everybody
• 6:39
  was
• 6:40
  coming
• 6:40
  from
• 6:40
  somewhere
• 6:40
  else.
• 6:41
  So
• 6:41
  they
• 6:41
  had
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  have
• 6:42
  all
• 6:42
  these
• 6:42
  special
• 6:42
  trains
• 6:43
  come
• 6:44
  in.
• 6:45
  Princeton
• 6:45
  Stadium
• 6:46
  couldn't
• 6:46
  or
• 6:47
  station
• 6:47
  couldn't
• 6:48
  really
• 6:48
  handle
• 6:48
  that
• 6:48
  level
• 6:49
  of
• 6:49
  traffic.
• 6:51
  So
• 6:51
  anyways,
• 6:51
  they
• 6:51
  were
• 6:52
  just,
• 6:52
  they
• 6:52
  didn't
• 6:52
  have
• 6:52
  enough
• 6:53
  restaurants,
• 6:54
  hotel
• 6:54
  rooms,
• 6:55
  all
• 6:55
  that
• 6:55
  kind
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  stuff.
• 6:56
  So
• 6:56
  just
• 6:56
  kind
• 6:56
  of
• 6:56
  the
• 6:56
  infrastructure
• 6:58
  at
• 6:59
  Princeton
• 7:00
  just
• 7:00
  didn't
• 7:00
  work.
• 7:01
  So
• 7:02
  there
• 7:02
  were
• 7:02
  a
• 7:02
  lot
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  people
• 7:03
  who
• 7:03
  were
• 7:03
  mad
• 7:03
  about
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  game
• 7:04
  being
• 7:05
  there.
• 7:06
  So
• 7:07
  Halsey
• 7:08
  and
• 7:09
  Pierce
• 7:09
  kind
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  have
• 7:10
  to
• 7:11
  kind
• 7:11
  of
• 7:11
  had
• 7:11
  their
• 7:11
  tail
• 7:12
  between
• 7:12
  their
• 7:12
  legs
• 7:13
  and
• 7:14
  they,
• 7:14
  they
• 7:14
  eventually
• 7:15
  they
• 7:15
  negotiate
• 7:16
  a
• 7:16
  new
• 7:16
  deal
• 7:16
  with
• 7:17
  Penn
• 7:18
  for
• 7:18
  the
• 7:18
  following
• 7:18
  year
• 7:20
  in
• 7:20
  which
• 7:22
  Penn
• 7:22
  would
• 7:23
  add
• 7:24
  temporary
• 7:25
  seats
• 7:26
  behind
• 7:27
  one
• 7:27
  of
• 7:27
  the
• 7:27
  end
• 7:27
  zones.
• 7:29
  Well,
• 7:29
  it
• 7:29
  was
• 7:30
  an
• 7:30
  end
• 7:31
  zone
• 7:31
  yet,
• 7:31
  but
• 7:31
  anyways
• 7:32
  behind
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  goal
• 7:33
  line.
• 7:34
  And
• 7:34
  then
• 7:34
  they
• 7:35
  basically
• 7:35
  said,
• 7:35
  okay,
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  get
• 7:37
  YouTube,
• 7:37
  get
• 7:38
  all
• 7:38
  the
• 7:38
  seats
• 7:38
  there,
• 7:39
  right?
• 7:39
  So,
• 7:40
  so
• 7:40
  basically
• 7:41
  army
• 7:41
  and
• 7:41
  Navy
• 7:42
  got
• 7:42
  more
• 7:42
  tickets
• 7:43
  than
• 7:43
  they
• 7:43
  had
• 7:43
  originally
• 7:45
  been
• 7:45
  asking
• 7:46
  for,
• 7:46
  which
• 7:47
  was
• 7:47
  great
• 7:47
  for
• 7:47
  them.
• 7:48
  And
• 7:49
  Penn
• 7:49
  got
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  keep
• 7:49
  all
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  same
• 7:50
  seats
• 7:51
  that
• 7:51
  they
• 7:51
  had
• 7:51
  had
• 7:51
  in
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  past.
• 7:53
  So
• 7:53
  the
• 7:53
  whole
• 7:53
  deal,
• 7:53
  you
• 7:54
  know,
• 7:54
  and
• 7:55
  then
• 7:55
  they.
• 7:55
  They
• 7:55
  basically
• 7:56
  stayed
• 7:56
  at
• 7:57
  Franklin
• 7:57
  Field
• 7:58
  for
• 7:58
  a
• 7:58
  number
• 7:58
  of
• 7:58
  years.
• 7:58
  Sometimes
• 7:59
  they
• 7:59
  play
• 7:59
  in
• 7:59
  New
• 7:59
  York
• 8:00
  sometimes.
• 8:00
  And
• 8:00
  they
• 8:01
  eventually
• 8:01
  moved
• 8:01
  to
• 8:02
  like
• 8:03
  Municipal
• 8:03
  Stadium
• 8:04
  and
• 8:04
  Veteran
• 8:04
  Stadium,
• 8:05
  stuff
• 8:05
  like
• 8:05
  that.
• 8:06
  But,
• 8:07
  you
• 8:07
  know,
• 8:08
  Franklin
• 8:08
  Field
• 8:08
  has
• 8:09
  been
• 8:09
  one
• 8:09
  of
• 8:09
  their
• 8:09
  primary.
• 8:10
  Or
• 8:10
  yeah,
• 8:11
  Philadelphia,
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  should
• 8:12
  say
• 8:12
  has
• 8:13
  been
• 8:13
  one
• 8:13
  of
• 8:13
  their
• 8:13
  primary
• 8:14
  locations.
• 8:16
  So.
• 8:18
  So
• 8:18
  one
• 8:18
  of
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  things
• 8:18
  that
• 8:19
  I
• 8:19
  think
• 8:19
  just
• 8:19
  is
• 8:20
  interesting
• 8:20
  about
• 8:21
  it
• 8:21
  is
• 8:21
  just,
• 8:22
  you
• 8:23
  know,
• 8:23
  when
• 8:23
  you
• 8:23
  think
• 8:23
  about
• 8:23
  the.
• 8:24
  When
• 8:25
  we
• 8:25
  think
• 8:25
  about
• 8:25
  building
• 8:26
  a
• 8:26
  stadium
• 8:27
  today,
• 8:27
  you
• 8:27
  basically
• 8:28
  build
• 8:28
  a
• 8:29
  stadium
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  fill
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  thing
• 8:31
  every
• 8:31
  weekend,
• 8:32
  right?
• 8:32
  At
• 8:32
  least
• 8:32
  every
• 8:33
  week
• 8:33
  there's
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  game.
• 8:34
  But
• 8:34
  back
• 8:34
  then,
• 8:35
  that's
• 8:35
  not
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  way
• 8:35
  it
• 8:35
  worked.
• 8:36
  It
• 8:36
  was,
• 8:36
  you
• 8:37
  know,
• 8:37
  like
• 8:37
  Harvard
• 8:37
  Stadium,
• 8:39
  you
• 8:39
  know,
• 8:40
  anybody's
• 8:40
  interest,
• 8:41
  go
• 8:41
  on
• 8:41
  Wikipedia
• 8:42
  and
• 8:42
  look
• 8:42
  at
• 8:42
  the
• 8:43
  attendance
• 8:44
  at
• 8:44
  Games
• 8:44
  in
• 8:45
  1903,
• 8:46
  1904,
• 8:47
  you
• 8:47
  know,
• 8:47
  through
• 8:47
  the
• 8:48
  20s,
• 8:48
  and
• 8:49
  a
• 8:49
  lot
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  times
• 8:50
  the
• 8:51
  lesser
• 8:51
  games,
• 8:53
  some
• 8:53
  of
• 8:53
  them,
• 8:53
  they
• 8:54
  have
• 8:54
  5,000
• 8:54
  people
• 8:54
  in
• 8:55
  that
• 8:55
  stadium
• 8:55
  that
• 8:55
  sat
• 8:56
  33,000,
• 8:57
  right?
• 8:57
  And
• 8:57
  then,
• 8:58
  then
• 8:58
  when
• 8:58
  they
• 8:58
  added
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  end
• 9:00
  zone
• 9:00
  seats,
• 9:00
  it's,
• 9:00
  you
• 9:01
  know,
• 9:01
  handle
• 9:02
  whatever,
• 9:02
  45
• 9:02
  or
• 9:03
  something.
• 9:05
  So
• 9:05
  a
• 9:06
  lot
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  times
• 9:06
  these
• 9:06
  stadiums
• 9:07
  were
• 9:07
  built
• 9:09
  for
• 9:09
  the
• 9:09
  maximum
• 9:10
  capacity
• 9:11
  needed
• 9:11
  as
• 9:11
  opposed
• 9:12
  to
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  consistent
• 9:14
  capacity,
• 9:15
  right?
• 9:15
  Because
• 9:15
  they
• 9:15
  wanted
• 9:15
  their
• 9:16
  alums,
• 9:17
  influential
• 9:18
  alums
• 9:18
  and
• 9:18
  donors
• 9:18
  to
• 9:19
  be
• 9:19
  able
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  get
• 9:19
  a
• 9:19
  seat
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  the
• 9:20
  big
• 9:20
  game.
• 9:20
  Because.
• 9:21
  And
• 9:21
  they
• 9:21
  only
• 9:21
  wanted
• 9:22
  it
• 9:22
  for
• 9:22
  one
• 9:22
  game
• 9:22
  a
• 9:22
  year,
• 9:23
  really.
• 9:24
  So,
• 9:24
  you
• 9:24
  know,
• 9:24
  Yale,
• 9:26
  you
• 9:26
  know,
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  Yale
• 9:27
  bowl
• 9:27
  and
• 9:27
  Harvard
• 9:28
  are
• 9:28
  kind
• 9:28
  of
• 9:28
  classic
• 9:29
  examples
• 9:29
  of
• 9:29
  that.
• 9:32
  So
• 9:32
  anyways,
• 9:32
  you
• 9:33
  know,
• 9:33
  that
• 9:33
  was
• 9:33
  just
• 9:33
  kind
• 9:33
  of.
• 9:33
  It's
• 9:34
  a.
• 9:34
  It
• 9:34
  was
• 9:34
  a
• 9:34
  different
• 9:35
  mindset
• 9:35
  for
• 9:35
  how
• 9:36
  stadiums
• 9:37
  were
• 9:37
  built
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  not
• 9:38
  built.
• 9:39
  And
• 9:39
  yet
• 9:40
  army
• 9:41
  and
• 9:41
  Navy
• 9:41
  never
• 9:41
  built
• 9:42
  sizable
• 9:42
  stadiums.
• 9:43
  You
• 9:43
  know,
• 9:43
  they
• 9:44
  stayed
• 9:45
  with
• 9:45
  stadiums
• 9:46
  that
• 9:46
  work
• 9:46
  for
• 9:46
  their
• 9:47
  normal
• 9:47
  crowds.
• 9:48
  And
• 9:48
  when
• 9:49
  they
• 9:49
  play
• 9:49
  their
• 9:49
  one
• 9:49
  big
• 9:50
  game
• 9:50
  a
• 9:50
  year,
• 9:51
  they
• 9:51
  go
• 9:51
  somewhere
• 9:52
  else,
• 9:52
  you
• 9:52
  know,
• 9:53
  Veterans
• 9:53
  State,
• 9:53
  you
• 9:54
  know,
• 9:54
  whatever,
• 9:54
  wherever.
• 9:55
  The.
• 9:56
  I
• 9:56
  don't
• 9:56
  even
• 9:56
  know
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  name
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  stadium
• 9:57
  in
• 9:58
  Philadelphia
• 9:58
  anymore,
• 9:59
  but
• 10:00
  I.
• 10:00
  Think
• 10:00
  It's
• 10:00
  Lincoln
• 10:01
  Financial
• 10:02
  Field.
• 10:02
  Yeah.
• 10:04
  So
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  mean,
• 10:04
  it
• 10:04
  was
• 10:05
  just
• 10:05
  kind
• 10:05
  of
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  different
• 10:05
  time
• 10:06
  and
• 10:06
  a
• 10:06
  different
• 10:06
  logic
• 10:08
  in
• 10:08
  terms
• 10:08
  of
• 10:08
  the
• 10:09
  stadiums
• 10:09
  themselves.
• 10:10
  But
• 10:10
  then
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  other
• 10:11
  thing
• 10:11
  about
• 10:11
  the
• 10:12
  story
• 10:12
  is
• 10:12
  just,
• 10:12
  you
• 10:12
  know,
• 10:13
  these
• 10:13
  two
• 10:13
  guys.
• 10:14
  So,
• 10:15
  you
• 10:15
  know,
• 10:15
  Bull
• 10:15
  Halsey
• 10:16
  ends
• 10:17
  up
• 10:17
  being,
• 10:17
  being
• 10:17
  like
• 10:17
  the
• 10:18
  number
• 10:18
  two
• 10:18
  guy
• 10:18
  in
• 10:19
  the
• 10:19
  U.S.
• 10:19
  navy
• 10:19
  in
• 10:20
  the
• 10:20
  Pacific
• 10:20
  during
• 10:20
  World
• 10:21
  War
• 10:21
  II.
• 10:21
  You
• 10:21
  know,
• 10:21
  he's,
• 10:22
  he
• 10:22
  ends
• 10:23
  up
• 10:23
  being
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  fleet
• 10:23
  admiral,
• 10:24
  you
• 10:24
  know,
• 10:24
  I
• 10:24
  think
• 10:25
  so.
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  mean
• 10:25
  he
• 10:25
  was
• 10:26
  like,
• 10:26
  he
• 10:27
  was
• 10:27
  a
• 10:27
  big
• 10:27
  deal,
• 10:28
  but
• 10:29
  he
• 10:29
  was
• 10:29
  like
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  AD
• 10:30
  back
• 10:30
  then.
• 10:30
  He
• 10:31
  had
• 10:31
  only
• 10:31
  graduated,
• 10:32
  you
• 10:32
  know,
• 10:32
  like
• 10:32
  two
• 10:33
  years
• 10:33
  before
• 10:33
  and
• 10:33
  he
• 10:34
  played
• 10:34
  football,
• 10:34
  you
• 10:34
  know,
• 10:35
  for
• 10:35
  Navy.
• 10:37
  And
• 10:37
  then
• 10:38
  Palmer
• 10:38
  Pierce,
• 10:40
  who
• 10:41
  had
• 10:41
  never
• 10:41
  played
• 10:42
  football,
• 10:43
  ends
• 10:43
  up,
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  know,
• 10:45
  in.
• 10:46
  So
• 10:47
  he,
• 10:47
  they
• 10:48
  hold
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  game
• 10:49
  in
• 10:51
  Princeton
• 10:51
  in
• 10:51
  1905.
• 10:52
  And
• 10:52
  then
• 10:53
  right.
• 10:53
  During
• 10:54
  all
• 10:54
  that
• 10:54
  period
• 10:54
  is
• 10:54
  when
• 10:55
  all
• 10:55
  the,
• 10:55
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• 10:56
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• 10:56
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• 10:56
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• 10:56
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• 10:57
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• 10:57
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• 10:58
  And
• 10:59
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• 10:59
  West
• 10:59
  Point's
• 11:00
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
  Point's
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• 11:05
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• 11:06
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• 11:06
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  Intercollegiate
• 11:07
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• 11:08
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• 11:09
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• 11:09
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• 11:09
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• 11:10
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• 11:10
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• 11:12
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• 11:12
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• 11:14
  And
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• 11:17
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• 11:18
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• 11:18
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• 11:19
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• 11:19
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• 11:19
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• 11:20
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• 11:20
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  So
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• 11:23
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• 11:23
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• 11:24
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• 11:24
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• 11:24
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• 11:25
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• 11:26
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• 11:26
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• 11:26
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• 11:26
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• 11:27
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• 11:27
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• 11:28
  And,
• 11:30
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• 11:30
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• 11:31
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• 11:32
  They
• 11:32
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• 11:32
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• 11:33
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• 11:33
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• 11:33
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• 11:33
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• 11:34
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• 11:34
  You
• 11:34
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• 11:35
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• 11:35
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• 11:36
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• 11:36
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• 11:36
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• 11:36
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• 11:36
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• 11:38
  So
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• 11:39
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• 11:39
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• 11:39
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• 11:39
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• 11:39
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• 11:39
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• 11:40
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• 11:40
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• 11:40
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• 11:40
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• 11:41
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• 11:42
  And
• 11:42
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• 11:43
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• 11:44
  Army's
• 11:44
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• 11:45
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• 11:45
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• 11:46
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• 11:46
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• 11:46
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• 11:47
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• 11:47
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• 11:47
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• 11:47
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• 11:48
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• 11:48
  Camp
• 11:48
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• 11:48
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• 11:49
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• 11:49
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• 11:49
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• 11:49
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• 11:50
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• 11:50
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• 11:51
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• 11:52
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• 11:52
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• 11:53
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• 11:53
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• 11:53
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• 11:54
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• 11:55
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• 11:55
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• 11:56
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• 11:57
  And,
• 11:58
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• 11:59
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• 12:00
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• 12:02
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• 12:02
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• 12:04
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• 12:04
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• 12:04
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• 12:05
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• 12:05
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  And
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• 12:09
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• 12:09
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• 12:09
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• 12:10
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• 12:10
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• 12:10
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• 12:11
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• 12:13
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• 12:13
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• 12:14
  Pierce
• 12:14
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• 12:15
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• 12:16
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• 12:16
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  So
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• 12:17
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• 12:17
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• 12:18
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• 12:18
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• 12:19
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• 12:19
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• 12:22
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• 12:22
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• 12:24
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• 12:25
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• 12:25
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• 12:25
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• 12:26
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• 12:26
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• 12:27
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• 12:28
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• 12:28
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• 12:29
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• 12:29
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• 12:29
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• 12:30
  But
• 12:31
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• 12:31
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• 12:31
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• 12:31
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• 12:32
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• 12:32
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• 12:32
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• 12:32
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• 12:33
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• 12:33
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• 12:33
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• 12:33
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• 12:33
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• 12:34
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• 12:34
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• 12:34
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• 12:35
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• 12:35
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• 12:36
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• 12:36
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• 12:37
  Football
• 12:37
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• 12:37
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• 12:38
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• 12:38
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• 12:39
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• 12:40
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• 12:40
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• 12:40
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• 12:41
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• 12:41
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• 12:41
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• 12:42
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• 12:42
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• 12:42
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• 12:42
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• 12:43
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• 12:43
  football
• 12:44
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• 12:44
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• 12:44
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• 12:45
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• 12:45
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• 12:45
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• 12:45
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• 12:45
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• 12:46
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• 12:46
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• 12:46
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• 12:47
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• 12:47
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• 12:47
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• 12:48
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• 12:50
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• 12:50
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• 12:51
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• 12:51
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• 12:52
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• 12:52
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• 12:52
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• 12:52
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• 12:53
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• 12:53
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• 12:53
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• 12:54
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• 12:55
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• 12:55
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• 12:56
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• 12:57
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• 12:57
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• 12:57
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• 12:57
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• 12:58
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• 12:58
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• 12:59
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• 12:59
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• 12:59
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• 12:59
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• 13:00
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• 13:00
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• 13:01
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• 13:01
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• 13:01
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• 13:03
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• 13:03
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• 13:03
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• 13:04
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• 13:04
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• 13:04
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• 13:05
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• 13:05
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• 13:05
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• 13:05
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• 13:06
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• 13:07
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• 13:07
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• 13:07
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• 13:08
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• 13:08
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• 13:09
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• 13:09
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• 13:09
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• 13:10
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• 13:10
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• 13:11
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• 13:12
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• 13:12
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• 13:12
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• 13:13
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• 13:13
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• 13:13
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• 13:14
  football.
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• 13:15
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• 13:15
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• 13:16
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• 13:16
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• 13:16
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• 13:17
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• 13:17
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• 13:18
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  The.
• 13:19
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• 13:19
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• 13:20
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• 13:20
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• 13:20
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• 13:20
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• 13:21
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• 13:21
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• 13:21
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• 13:22
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• 13:23
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• 13:23
  games
• 13:23
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• 13:23
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• 13:24
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• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  athletic
• 13:25
  directors
• 13:25
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• 13:26
  their
• 13:26
  staffs
• 13:26
  and
• 13:27
  everything.
• 13:28
  But
• 13:28
  we
• 13:28
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• 13:28
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• 13:28
  any
• 13:29
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• 13:29
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• 13:29
  games
• 13:29
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• 13:30
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• 13:30
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• 13:31
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• 13:31
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• 13:31
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• 13:32
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• 13:32
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• 13:32
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• 13:32
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• 13:33
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• 13:33
  you
• 13:33
  know,
• 13:33
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• 13:34
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• 13:34
  years
• 13:34
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• 13:35
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• 13:35
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• 13:35
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• 13:35
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• 13:36
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• 13:36
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• 13:36
  And
• 13:37
  I'm
• 13:37
  glad
• 13:37
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• 13:37
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• 13:38
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• 13:38
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• 13:38
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• 13:38
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• 13:38
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:40
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• 13:40
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• 13:40
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• 13:41
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• 13:41
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• 13:42
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• 13:42
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• 13:42
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• 13:42
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• 13:44
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• 13:44
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• 13:44
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• 13:44
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• 13:45
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• 13:45
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• 13:45
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• 13:45
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• 13:45
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• 13:46
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• 13:46
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• 13:46
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• 13:46
  Bill
• 13:46
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• 13:47
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• 13:47
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• 13:48
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• 13:48
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• 13:48
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• 13:48
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• 13:49
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• 13:49
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• 13:49
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• 13:49
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• 13:50
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• 13:50
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• 13:50
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• 13:52
  But
• 13:53
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• 13:53
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• 13:53
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• 13:54
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• 13:54
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• 13:54
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• 13:54
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• 13:55
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• 13:55
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• 13:55
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• 13:55
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• 13:56
  him
• 13:56
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• 13:56
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• 13:56
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• 13:57
  you
• 13:57
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• 13:57
  and,
• 13:58
  and
• 13:58
  then.
• 13:58
  But,
• 13:58
  you
• 13:59
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• 13:59
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• 13:59
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• 13:59
  into
• 13:59
  this
• 13:59
  stuff
• 14:00
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• 14:00
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• 14:00
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• 14:00
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• 14:01
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• 14:02
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• 14:02
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• 14:02
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• 14:03
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• 14:03
  mean,
• 14:03
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• 14:04
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• 14:04
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• 14:04
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• 14:04
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• 14:05
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• 14:05
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• 14:05
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• 14:06
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• 14:06
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• 14:06
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• 14:06
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• 14:06
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• 14:07
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• 14:07
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• 14:08
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• 14:08
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• 14:08
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• 14:08
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• 14:08
  And,
• 14:09
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• 14:09
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• 14:09
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• 14:09
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• 14:09
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• 14:10
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• 14:10
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• 14:11
  Yeah.
• 14:11
  And
• 14:12
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• 14:12
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• 14:12
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• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
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• 14:13
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• 14:14
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• 14:14
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• 14:14
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• 14:14
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• 14:15
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• 14:15
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• 14:15
  That's
• 14:15
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• 14:16
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• 14:16
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• 14:16
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• 14:16
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• 14:16
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• 14:17
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• 14:17
  football
• 14:18
  archaeology
• 14:18
  does
• 14:19
  is
• 14:19
  it
• 14:19
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• 14:19
  some
• 14:20
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• 14:20
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• 14:20
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• 14:20
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• 14:21
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• 14:21
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• 14:21
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• 14:22
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• 14:22
  time.
• 14:23
  And
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• 14:23
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• 14:24
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• 14:24
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• 14:24
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• 14:24
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• 14:24
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• 14:24
  Maybe
• 14:25
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• 14:25
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• 14:25
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• 14:25
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• 14:25
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• 14:26
  and
• 14:26
  listeners,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:27
  know,
• 14:27
  how
• 14:27
  can
• 14:27
  we
• 14:28
  partake
• 14:28
  and
• 14:28
  learn
• 14:29
  some
• 14:29
  of
• 14:29
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• 14:29
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• 14:30
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• 14:30
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• 14:30
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• 14:30
  do
• 14:30
  in
• 14:31
  your
• 14:31
  tidbits?
• 14:32
  Yeah,
• 14:32
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• 14:32
  go
• 14:33
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• 14:33
  footballarchaeology.com
• 14:34
  it's
• 14:34
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• 14:34
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• 14:35
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• 14:35
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• 14:38
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• 14:38
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• 14:38
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• 14:39
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• 14:39
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• 14:39
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  Every
• 14:39
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• 14:40
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• 14:40
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• 14:40
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• 14:40
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• 14:40
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• 14:41
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• 14:41
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• 14:41
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• 14:41
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• 14:42
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• 14:42
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• 14:42
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• 14:46
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• 14:47
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• 14:47
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• 14:48
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• 14:48
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• 14:49
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• 14:49
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• 14:49
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• 14:49
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• 14:50
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• 14:50
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• 14:51
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• 14:53
  So,
• 14:53
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• 14:54
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• 14:54
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• 14:54
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• 14:54
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• 14:54
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• 14:54
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• 14:54
  And
• 14:55
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• 14:55
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• 14:56
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• 14:56
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• 14:56
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• 14:56
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• 14:58
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• 14:58
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• 14:58
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• 14:59
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• 14:59
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• 15:02
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• 15:02
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• 15:05
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• 15:06
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• 15:07
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  So
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• 15:12
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• 15:15
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• 15:15
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• 15:15
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  Yeah,
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• 15:28
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