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The Blue Bodhi - part 1(audio only) · Trapped Souls Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm here with Blue Bodie and Welcome Trap Souls Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: So how you doing?
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SPEAKER_01: Do I call you Blue?
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SPEAKER_01: Do I call you Bodie?
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SPEAKER_01: Do I call you Blue Bodie?
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SPEAKER_00: You can call me whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: Like half the people say Bodie, half the people say blue.
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SPEAKER_00: Some people just don't even go that far.
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SPEAKER_00: They say B.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll wait.
0:17
SPEAKER_01: We'll see how it goes.
0:18
SPEAKER_01: Blue and I, funny story.
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SPEAKER_01: I reached out to her like four months ago saying, hey, because someone told me you have to have Blue Bodie on.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: She is awesome.
0:26
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I know I knew nothing about you.
0:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna lie.
0:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, all right, I'll check her out, check your website.
0:31
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, heck yeah, I want her on.
0:33
SPEAKER_01: Sent a message, got nothing back.
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SPEAKER_01: Then two months later, someone's like, Hey, Blue wants to do some podcasts.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: I told her she should come on your show.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I tried, like, I don't know what to do.
0:41
SPEAKER_01: Like, and it happened, and that's all that matters.
0:46
SPEAKER_01: That we're here tonight and we're gonna talk about what is going on.
0:49
SPEAKER_00: So well, I'll just say that the people that were helping me answer messages are no longer helping me answer messages, so there's that.
0:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean it happens.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: You have a lot of followers, I'm sure you get a lot of emails, and it's very hard to go through everything, and I'm sure it's like next, next, next, you know.
1:08
SPEAKER_00: It's insane, like it's a full-time job on its own.
1:11
SPEAKER_00: Like it's an insane the number of messages that come in every day.
1:15
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I mean, I I don't have a huge following, but it takes me a long time to just to answer emails and try to get it out there, so I can't imagine what you're doing right now.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean I drink a lot of caffeine, a lot of coffee, and energy drinks.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: That's what happens right there.
1:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm like guiltily looking over at four drinks I have sitting next to me.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: So there's that.
1:40
SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be like an educational slash fun podcast because you do a lot of stuff.
1:46
SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what the heck you do.
1:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what I can do.
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unknown: It's okay.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm into the paranormal, but when you start digging deep into it, it gets pretty ridiculous.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: Now, your certificates, I'm not even gonna list.
2:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay, because I I actually have Bodhi certificates too many.
2:05
SPEAKER_01: That's what my notes say.
2:06
SPEAKER_01: So if you want to know what Oliver's certificate is, go to her website and find.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a list that's long, it's it's impressive.
2:14
SPEAKER_01: But we'll go uh we'll go straight out.
2:18
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're not gonna get to whatever you do right now, but paranormal-wise, that's why we're here.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: Yes, like what when did it start?
2:24
SPEAKER_01: Did it start after your you know, two near-death experiences, or was it a little before?
2:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh no, we're I totally blame my parents.
2:32
SPEAKER_00: So my parents have always loved the paranormal.
2:36
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if you've ever heard of Eureka Springs, Arkansas, but um, that is that is one of the coolest, like paranormal, like the whole town embraces it.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: And there's a hotel there called the Crescent Hotel, and it's one of my favorite places on earth.
2:51
SPEAKER_00: I have been going there for 40 years, which makes me feel old as hell, but actually over 40 years, because I was eight the first time I went there and I'm 49.
2:59
SPEAKER_00: So um my parents got married there, like we had a cabin close and we would go and ghost hunt, you know, because you can walk around.
3:08
SPEAKER_00: And I had a ton, we've had a ton of experiences there.
3:10
SPEAKER_00: And then um growing up in Denver, I grew up in a town called Westminster, which is right next to Boulder.
3:17
SPEAKER_00: And so, like, we would be at the Stanley and we would go to all of these crazy places, and so my parents kind of instilled that love of like ghosts and the paranormal, and you know, it's not scary, it's something to be, you know, and not I want to say admired, but enjoyed.
3:37
SPEAKER_00: There we go.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: So it we looked at it like that, and uh I was taught that the paranormal isn't scary, like I was taught that it's just it's just people that are bored that want to talk because nobody talks to them anymore, you know.
3:50
SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, I I have literally been doing it almost my entire life since I was seven or eight years old.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: So that's fine.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: I mean I'm 19 years in and 49 is not bad because that's how old I am, too.
4:05
SPEAKER_00: So right on.
4:06
SPEAKER_01: It's not bad, not bad.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: Again, age is just a number to me anyway.
4:11
SPEAKER_00: So so are you born in 76 or 77?
4:14
SPEAKER_01: 76.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you're a fire dragon as well.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: I got you.
4:18
SPEAKER_01: Yep, I got a dragon on my shoulder here.
4:21
SPEAKER_00: No shit, same, same right here.
4:24
SPEAKER_01: On your left, my right, it's on my right shoulder.
4:28
SPEAKER_01: I drew it, it has like an earth and my kids, their eye colors in it.
4:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've got I've got a big one that goes all the way, all the way down my arm, too.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm not gonna be that basic white girl with skulls and dragons, and I have both.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: So here we are.
4:43
SPEAKER_01: Here we are.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: Here we are.
4:46
SPEAKER_01: So then you had was it meningitis when you were 19?
4:51
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
4:51
SPEAKER_00: Backitis 100% do not recommend zero out of cigars.
4:57
SPEAKER_01: I don't think everybody's going out there saying, Hey, I want meningitis, but yeah, two near death experiences.
5:02
SPEAKER_01: So one did that, I mean, from what I'm reading on your history, like that enhanced everything.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: So I already I already had a little bit of um synesthesia.
5:13
SPEAKER_00: I used to play the trumpet, I played jazz, and I was the super band nerd, you know.
5:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I didn't it's hard to explain it, it sounds crazy.
5:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, I didn't know that that was something that not everybody does or can do until 2020.
5:33
SPEAKER_00: But um I joke that the meningitis like broke fixed my brain, if that makes sense.
5:42
SPEAKER_00: Like it really made the the synesthesia and stuff more.
5:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, but with the other stuff as far as feeling completely insane, you know, like hearing voices and the things you don't tell anybody and you know, seeing shadows and seeing things like that, that really hit after because I was in a medical coma for about a week.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: And so when they pulled me out of that, um I had a lot of night, night terrors because I didn't, you know, at 18 years old, you know, like 19 years old, I don't want to go to sleep.
6:14
SPEAKER_00: And that was a weird feeling for me because I've had never been afraid of the dark.
6:18
SPEAKER_00: And now I'm like, look, bitch, I see you over there in the corner.
6:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know what you're doing in here.
6:23
SPEAKER_00: But and I mean, you're my age, so I'm sure you know when you're a kid, if you see that stuff, you have an overactive imagination, or oh, you were watching scary movies, like it got dismissed.
6:33
SPEAKER_00: My parents didn't dismiss it, thankfully, but um, you know, it definitely was something you you didn't talk about with everybody because you don't want to be the crazy girl that you know, don't don't talk to her, she's crazy, she hears voices, you know.
6:45
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
6:47
SPEAKER_01: Did you talk more about it after then?
6:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, no.
6:52
SPEAKER_00: I actually I actually the only people that I would talk to about it would be like my mom, my grandparents, um, you know, my my dad, my mom, my grandparents, my sister, my best friend, like just a very, very small group of people.
7:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I didn't really start talking about it until like 2012, 2011, 2012.
7:15
SPEAKER_00: I start it's so funny.
7:17
SPEAKER_00: I started talking about it because I got involved with groups on Reddit of all places about near-death experiences because I was basically told by the neurologists, the the original neurologist I had that I mean, he he saved my life.
7:33
SPEAKER_00: Like he threw everything he could at it.
7:36
SPEAKER_00: They had no idea what type of bacteria it was.
7:38
SPEAKER_00: They just everything they could give me, they did.
7:41
SPEAKER_00: And he retired about a month and a half after they pulled me out of the coma.
7:46
SPEAKER_00: And he wanted to hear about my experience and wanted to talk about it and was fascinated with it.
7:51
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we had some.
7:53
SPEAKER_00: I felt for the first time like that was somebody that believed me about what I experienced.
7:57
SPEAKER_00: The next neurologist, however, just told me it was a coma dream, you know, and um basically called me a liar.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: So I just didn't tell anybody.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: I just didn't tell anybody else.
8:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, very few people.
8:09
SPEAKER_00: And then I was researching for a book I was writing about heaven and per, you know, purgatory and death and so on.
8:17
SPEAKER_00: And I came across one single weird, just random line Reddit post.
8:22
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, holy shit.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: And so I fell down this whole, I sat up for probably six hours straight one night, just crying my eyes out because I'm reading all these other things in this post where there's a researcher at Oxford that was doing a study, and I'm looking at all these people that it that had experiences and a whole category of people that literally mirrored what happened.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: And so suddenly I'm like, oh my God, I'm not crazy.
8:51
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm not, I'm not bonkers, you know.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: And after that, I really started doing a lot of work and getting into workshops and so on.
9:00
SPEAKER_00: And I started finding that the people that had very intense experiences, and the only way I can explain it are like with color that saw either, you know, the bubble of color or very bright colors, they have their gifts have gone like this, like through the roof.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: So either mediumship or one of their clairs is off the charts, and a lot of them have problems being around people for very long and and things like that.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: And that's when I really, really started kind of doing this hardcore all the way, because in Oklahoma, if my dad is my dad is native, like they're they're native.
9:42
SPEAKER_00: I am super Irish, like I glow in the dark, right?
9:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I was raised doing those things, so it was okay to do, you know, to clear spirits out of a house, to, you know, welcome grandma and grandpa back in or whatever it was.
9:58
SPEAKER_00: Um if you were doing it in that sense, but you didn't talk about it, you know.
10:03
SPEAKER_00: And so everybody thought I was weird until they needed something, you know.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: And so then in 2012, 2013, that's when I really I was like, no, I'm not gonna keep this quiet anymore.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: And I'm really gonna start talking about it and writing about it and and being open and and helping people with it.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: And um, I'm glad I did.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: You can go either way with that, and I was tired by that, like paranormal.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: You can go like you see stuff, I'm not gonna believe it.
10:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, talk about like mediums and opening yourself up.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: Do you think that the meningitis had something that triggered something, or is it a near you know, death experience that you said you live once, F it, and you open yourself up more?
10:50
SPEAKER_01: Because there's so many many mediums out there that are scared to open themselves up.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: You know, which one do you think it is?
10:57
SPEAKER_01: Or is a little bit of both?
10:59
SPEAKER_00: You know, when we when we moved back to Oklahoma, because I was born here, moved to Colorado, we moved back here, we bought a house.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: My parents bought a house that had someone, someone was killed in the house.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: Um and we would see a man that would walk from the bathroom to the one of the bedrooms in the hallway and and back, just that.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: Like he never would interact, and sometimes the the water would come on in the bathroom.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: And at first, you know, we we actively would try to be like, oh my god, there's a man in the hallway, you know.
11:33
SPEAKER_00: And um, but it was just residual.
11:36
SPEAKER_00: That's all that's all it was was back and forth like that.
11:39
SPEAKER_00: But it was never scary.
11:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, but and and I've had a lot of other experiences where I've actively seen something with my whole face, you know.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: But I know that I never saw shadows before before that experience.
11:55
SPEAKER_00: I know that I never heard voices, I would have gut feelings, I would have dreams, but never full on someone like, oh my God, don't do that, or hey, you need to tell them, you know, this or this.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I would credit it to the brain damage, to the near-death experience.
12:14
SPEAKER_00: I don't know because I would think both of those would play a heavy, a heavy part in that, like scientifically with the brain, and then you know, the near-death experience and so on with the spiritual side of it.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: But I I know a lot of people that really since 2020, you know, 2019, 2020 with COVID and losing people, a lot of people really quickly, um they they are worried, like their gifts have suddenly gone through the roof, and they are worried about opening that up.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: And so one of the things I try to do is is help people like, hey, like don't you can't be scared of it, you know, because it ain't going away.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not going away.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: You can't be scared of it, but I think everybody has their own gift and ability that's in there, and a lot of people shut it off as a kid, and so when you shut it off as a kid because of an experience, it's much harder to open up when you get older unless you don't have a choice.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: That if that makes sense, you know, like meningitis.
13:21
SPEAKER_01: No, I mean it always interests me.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: I've had a few mediums on a show, and you know what they talked about when they were younger is how to control it, you know, how to how to pretty much sleep at night.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: People are just yapping in your ear the whole time.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the biggest thing.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: And there's people out there like you now who do classes to help teach that because it's a big part.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, open yourself up.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: Like you said, a lot of people have that ability is how much do you want to open it?
13:50
SPEAKER_01: Right.
13:51
SPEAKER_01: And that ability can be low or it could be high.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: Um I don't have an ability, my ability is doing podcasts, and that's it.
14:02
SPEAKER_01: It's sad, but that's it.
14:04
SPEAKER_01: No, I mean I can look at pictures and tell something bad's there, but it feels feels off there.
14:12
SPEAKER_01: That's about my extent of my ability, and I didn't have that before, but doing this for so long, I'm starting to open myself up a little more, but you gotta be cautious of that too, right?
14:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, have you ever opened yourself up too much?
14:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
14:31
SPEAKER_00: And and one of the things about opening yourself up that I think some people don't understand is I mean, A, you do have to be cautious with it, and B, you have to be well versed in how to protect yourself first.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, there in in 2014, it it that was a horrendous year for me.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Like I lost my mom, almost lost my sister two months later.
14:56
SPEAKER_00: Like it was just it was a horrendous year.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: And towards the end of that year, the house that we lived in, there there was something that would walk up and down the hall.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: Like my kid was terrified of it.
15:05
SPEAKER_00: She wouldn't sleep.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: I slept with my door open, you know, like things like that.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: And um, no matter what we did, it didn't, it wouldn't, I couldn't get it to go away.
15:16
SPEAKER_00: Like I couldn't get it to go away.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: And um with with the meningitis came, you know, a healthy dose of temporal lobe epilepsy.
15:23
SPEAKER_00: And so I learned to astral travel really, you know, really at 20 years old, really.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you get cocky, you know, when you're younger, you get cocky and you're like, oh, I could, I could do this, I could go out here, I'm invincible, you know, and then you get a sleep paralysis friend, you know, and so I I don't know where the hell I picked it up.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what I did.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: I always tell people that Astral is like a really screwed up version of Monsters Inc., you know, like there they can sniff you out and they're like, oop, that one's here all the time.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: Let me follow that one back.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: And but I had one that every Saturday night, like clockwork, would hit me the same time to the point that I got terrified to go to sleep.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: And it took me almost three years to clean that thing off of me to get it off of me.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: But dealing with that and dealing with the I'm not gonna say man because it really wasn't the entity that was in our house.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: Um it you can 100% open yourself up too much.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: Like that, those two things taught me protections in a way that that is hardcore what I preach to people.
16:31
SPEAKER_00: Like, you can't, you know, I wear certain pieces of jewelry, I have specific tattoos, you know, in specific areas on my body.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: And I I'm real careful with the shoes I wear somewhere.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: I like all the things that I do, and I'm constantly adding adding to that because as people open up in the paranormal and more locations come open, and you can do this and go here and so on.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: Um I've learned that maybe it's not cool to run headfirst into places, you know, and there's I used to have no fear with it, and now it's not that I have fear, it's that I'm very cautious.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: So I'll have friends that are like, Oh, we're gonna go here and here, and I'm like, Nope, I don't want to go.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: And so they know if I say I don't want to go, then they go, Well, maybe we shouldn't go.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they that's exactly they're like, Do should I go?
17:21
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I mean, that's you, but like, I ain't going, I ain't going, or I'm not going in that room, or whatever.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, they're like, Well, I mean, if if you're not gonna go, you know, like we'll wait out here with you, and I'm like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, you just had me thinking real quick, though, is because someone always told me, I've had a couple mediums tell me I had an attachment, and I'm not a big believer in psychics mediums.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: I am now, but when I first started this journey of paranormal, I was like, Yeah, whatever.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: Um but they said the same thing and they didn't know of an attachment.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: Do you think a spirit can like come to you since you're a strong medium and say, hey, I will help you on this journey?
18:11
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I tell people there everybody has attachments.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: Everybody.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: I I at 49, I guarantee you've lost people that you care about, you know, grandma, grandpa, you know, parents, whatever.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: Those are technically attachments.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: If they come and visit you a lot, like that's the definition of an attachment.
18:31
SPEAKER_00: Like they they help you, they guide you, dreams or whatever.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: So people, when you hear the word attachment, they go, Oh, God, that's gotta be something bad.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: But it's not, you know, it's the same way that people talk about like guardian angels, like technically that's an attachment, you know, spirit guides, that's an attachment.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: And so I think that people misread attachments because I I'm sure that in doing this, you've come across people that when you meet them in person or on live or something like that, you're like, ooh, like you can kind of feel it and you kind of have to step back a minute.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: That's technically an attachment, like a spirit guide or somebody that's like, I'm gonna need you to back up over there till I know who you are.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Some people have very strong protectors around them.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: And then some people straight up have really bad crap, you know, attached to them.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, I've picked up hitchhikers at place at places and had to dump them out, you know, and be like, okay, get to the car, like run, you know.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: But um I make it funny because it it actually it's been some scary experiences.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: But like right now, um I have a lot of weird oddities and things in my house.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: Like there's a gentleman right there in that heart named Manny.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I have some weird things and I'm always very respectful.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: But I somehow have this pitchhiker.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, I don't know what else to call him.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: Doesn't not bad, doesn't do anything except be funny, you know, do some weird help.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: It actually helps me with shit.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, but either at West Virginia State or at the property I bought and I don't know where he came from.
20:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, I've nicknamed him Jerry because he's I tease him that he's a chicken shit because he won't tell me his name.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: And I'm a big Rick and Morty fan.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, you know, if you can't tell me your name, like I'm gonna give you a really chicken name and Jerry's the boy.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, no offense to any Jerry listening, okay.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: But um, but he has two call signs.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: Like anytime I've got a spirit box going, no matter where I'm at, I have been in Arizona and he says, um, what is it, W N Y, which is Western New York.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: But so that, and then I get the same thing.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: What would you do?
20:41
SPEAKER_00: Like all the time.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, hi, Jerry.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: It's enough that people on my live streams, when it pops up, they're like, oh my god, it's Jerry, you know.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: So to me, that's an attachment.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: I have no idea where I picked him up.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: Like he just is there.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: But I don't at the same time, like, I don't feel like anything needs to be cleared off.
20:59
SPEAKER_00: Right.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: So everybody has attachments, everybody.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: And if you've been in the paranormal for a long time, it doesn't surprise me that you have somebody, it's probably somebody that either you connected with, you helped, or you know, maybe you had a medium with you or somebody with intense gifts, and that's the first time they got to talk to somebody in forever.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: Much, much like a little kid that's been ignored for a decade.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: They're like, Oh my god, you saw me, you talked to me.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, unless you have some really bad shit going on, I wouldn't stress.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't stress.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm not stressing.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was always a big believer because people are like, I have attachment, you know, back in the day when I started this was like, I know what my mom would tell me.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Like when I when I pray, you know, I you know, I pray to God, but when I pray to like my mom and talk to my mom, not pray, but talk to her, I know exactly what she would tell me.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: I hear her voice.
21:56
SPEAKER_01: Is that just my imagination?
21:57
SPEAKER_01: Because I know what she would tell me.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Straight up, like if I need help, like hey mom, like I'm stuck here, she'd be like, shut up, you know.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: She'd probably kick me in the ass, and that's what she'd do.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: I mean, um, the attachment people all say I have is my grandfather, which was my mentor.
22:17
SPEAKER_01: And I've talked to him since he passed away.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, nonstop, like that dude is he was everything to me.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: And which I never told anybody.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: I'll tell now because you know, I had a medium tell me that you know she actually told me the name I gave him.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: Then I was like, okay, maybe this shit's real, you know.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm like, she's like, there's three nicknames he went by.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you called him and she told me.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, son of a bitch.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, now I gotta believe you, you know.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: Then I was at another, you know, um, Kathy Sparrow.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: I met her, and she told me.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: She was like, and she told me the same thing.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, son of a you know, I I I gotta believe it now.
23:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've always talked to him, and he's always guided me through my life.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: If he's there or not, he's always guided me, and that's how my belief system works.
23:16
SPEAKER_01: So, but now I gotta believe.
23:18
SPEAKER_01: I still don't believe in crystals, just letting you know, but attachments, a little more into it.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I think those are amazing attachments, and really anybody that the one of the things I'll have to explain this first because it it it it it corresponds with what we're talking about, but one of the things during that second near-death experience, I I'm a Capricorn, I have a lot of Capricorn placements.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: I am probably one of the most stubborn people that you're ever gonna meet.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, if I want to do something, I'm gonna do it.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: Like you're not gonna talk me out of it.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so the second time um when I wasn't here anymore, I was standing at the edge of this garden and there was a being standing next to me.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: Had to be eight, nine foot tall, like humongous, right?
24:06
SPEAKER_00: Solid white on one side, solid black on the other, and no features, but just like light.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: But you can see the the line, like it wasn't they faded together, was like black and white together.
24:18
SPEAKER_00: And I remember that I saw people looking in this fountain in the garden, and I was like, Well, I want to look in the fountain, you know, like because I'm seeing people crying and laughing and they're all just so intent.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Well, I mean, I want to see what's in the fountain, you know.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: And I remember I tried to move and it it kind of got this like you'd laugh at a little kid, you know, when a little kid wants to do something, you're like, no, baby, you can't do that, you know, and you kind of chuckle a little bit.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: So that made me more mad.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, I'm gonna do it.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: And I remember I moved my leg, I moved my right leg and halfway took a step.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: And there was like this shock, right?
24:52
SPEAKER_00: And so when it was like, when that being was like, oh shit, you know, he put his I it was a he, and I don't know how to explain it.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: I know it's a he put his hand on my shoulder, and when he did, was like all this crap just in my brain.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, and one of the things is that and crazy or not, um souls are created together in batches, and I always equate it to like a um like cars, you know, like you can use a VIN number to tell where a car was created, what day it was created, and the other cars in in on that conveyor belt that day.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: So you might have 10 people that your souls were kind of all bundled up together and created.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: You might have a hundred, but we all have people that we rotate around every life, whether it's like, you know, grandparent, you know, grandkid relationship, mother, kid, twins, you know, enemies.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: We all have that mortal enemy, you know, and or whatever, but you rotate around them all the time.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: And so having a connection like that, when they pass away, they're still there.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Like they're still there because they're always gonna be attached to you until, you know, you pass on, everybody in that group has passed on, and now you just go back in the tumbler, you know, and here you guys go.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: So I would I would be willing to bet that he's probably gonna be with you for the rest of your life.
26:17
SPEAKER_00: Like if he's been with you for a long time and he's always there and you talk to him, and the same with your mom.
26:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, the fact that, because you asked me, you know, like, do I think that that's just wishful thinking that that's mom talking or whatever?
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, no, I don't think so at all.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: My mom passed away in 2014.
26:35
SPEAKER_00: I've seen her maybe three times.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, like in dreams, she doesn't talk to me, you know.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Usually it's just a visit.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: Now, every now and then when I'm really upset or I'm thinking real hard about something, my mom loved George Thoroughgood and randomly bad to the bone will come on, and I'm always like, hi, mom, you know, because um at her funeral, my sister handled all that stuff, and I insisted that one of the songs be that song with a bunch of pictures because my mom never could take a picture without making a face.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: Like ran very very rarely do we have a photo of her just smiling or whatever.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: Always had a face or like uh, you know, something like that.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: And so it was a whole collage compilation of my mom's crazy faces with bad to the bone, you know, and and things like that.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: So in I know that's her, but I don't hear her, I don't get advice, I don't like nothing.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I'm like, you know, this is bullshit.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: Like other people getting advice from their moms, like, and you just left me out here, you know.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: But my grandpa is always around me, always.
27:38
SPEAKER_00: And you know, my grandma for a lot too.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: And then I have a friend that passed away my senior year of high school from brain cancer.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: She's around a lot.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, my kids named after her, you know, like she's around a lot.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: But I don't think at all that it's wishful thinking.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: I think that if you're actively hearing her be like, look, you're being dumb, you know, like get up or you know, go do this or whatever.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you grew up with her, so you know her mannerism, so you know that it's her, like you you know in here that it's her, and yeah, but a lot of us don't get that, so you shut up over there with your face.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't say I mean, honestly, I don't care if it's her or not, because it's enough for me.
28:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, I always talk about you know why we do paranormal, ask everybody that everybody's like, oh the afterlife, and I'm like, no, it's about the memories, you know, and that's what we hold on to.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: And when people pass, the person passing is not sad.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: All right, they're gone.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: The people are still alive, that's what that's what's hurtful.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I mean, my whole thing is keep their memories alive.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: So if that's her keeping memories alive, or is that just me keeping her memory alive?
28:56
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, that's good enough for me.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know she'll tell me I'm a you know, get off your ass, or whatever she wants to say, kick me in the ass.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: She was probably the biggest smart ass you ever met in your life, and that's saying a lot because I've met a lot, and uh a lot of people say that's me too.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: I have to calm it down because I do a podcast, but one of these days when I get big enough, I'll go off and be myself, but I'll probably get banned from Facebook, but whatever.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, are you really anybody if you don't get banned from a social media site?
29:31
SPEAKER_00: At least once, like really I haven't yet.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, I've seen some of your let's say me neither.
29:39
SPEAKER_00: I've seen some of your videos, I'm surprised, but um no, but I always believe I got my live streams cut off a couple times, but mainly because because of hateful people, you know, like yeah, yeah, I'm very creative with my insults, especially like TikTok.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: It takes one person to say something, and they just like okay, yeah cut off.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, really, dude?
30:03
SPEAKER_01: That's why I don't do TikTok, yeah.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: And it's it's getting worse and worse.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm I'm pushing everybody over to YouTube, like it's yeah, that's that's a whole other monster to talk about.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: Social media sucks, but it does, and at the same time, um like I I told people when Facebook really blew up back in however many ever ago, I was like, it's gonna be a necessary evil, and if you don't if you don't embrace it, like you're gonna be left in the dust.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, yeah.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean it's uh I can say social media sucks, but it's actually connected to me a lot of people in the paranormal world too.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: So it's great.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: The positives outweigh the negatives right now.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: So I would do that.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: I would agree.