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Episode Two Hundred Five: Blue Wall Collapse · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number two hundred and five of the
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  Speaker 1: Death of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zickler. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host on today's show. Donald Trump pulls off the
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  Speaker 1: most amazing political comeback in American history and now may
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  Speaker 1: have an actual mandate to try to make America great again.
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  Speaker 1: Why my predictions were largely very wrong, Who the winners
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  Speaker 1: and losers are here, and where we go from here.
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  Speaker 1: I am taping this episode of the podcast to fairly
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  Speaker 1: early on Wednesday morning, trying to keep with our normal
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  Speaker 1: taping schedule, and I referenced that just so there's context
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  Speaker 1: to the results that I'm referring to. It's possible that
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  Speaker 1: we may get more information, especially on the Senate and
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  Speaker 1: House side, by the time that you hear this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So just for reference sake, I'm doing this Wednesday morning
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  Speaker 1: on the West Coast, and I'm going to start today's
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  Speaker 1: podcast with the results as we currently know them before
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  Speaker 1: I get into the analysis of how and why this
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  Speaker 1: happened and my prediction and the winners and losers and
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  Speaker 1: where we go from here. So obviously you know at
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  Speaker 1: this point that Donald Trump won the presidency in a
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  Speaker 1: resounding victory. It very much appears that he will win
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  Speaker 1: all seven swing states. Now, a couple of them, as
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  Speaker 1: of this taping, have not yet officially been called, but
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  Speaker 1: there seems to be little doubt, at least in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: that eventually he will win all seven of the swing states,
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  Speaker 1: something that I did not think was statistically likely at
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  Speaker 1: all for either candidate to do, because I've been referring
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  Speaker 1: to them as coin flips, but very clearly they were
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  Speaker 1: not fifty to fifty coin flips. I'll get to that
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  Speaker 1: more in just a little bit. But Trump wins all
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  Speaker 1: seven of the swing states. He doesn't flip any other state,
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  Speaker 1: but he does win the seven swing states. The blue
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  Speaker 1: wall effectively totally collapsed. Kamala Harris's blue wall in Wisconsin, Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania collapsed. As of this taping, technically Michigan, Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: and Nevada are not yet called, but as I've said,
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  Speaker 1: it seems very much as if Trump is going to
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  Speaker 1: win there, and frankly, winning in Michigan by what seems
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  Speaker 1: to be a very comfortable margin is maybe the most
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  Speaker 1: shocking result of the entire election. At one point, he
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  Speaker 1: was dominating in Michigan last night, up by six points,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought that that would be the state where
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  Speaker 1: he would have the most difficult time winning among the
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  Speaker 1: seven swing states, and I was not alone in that belief.
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  Speaker 1: But when all is said and done, it appears right
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  Speaker 1: now as if Donald Trump will win the presidency with
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and twelve electoral College votes to two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty six electoral College votes for Kamala Harris, which
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  Speaker 1: is very similar to the number that he won in
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and the number he lost by in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: But the big difference is that unless there's a real
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  Speaker 1: mistake in the projections, which I don't think there is,
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  Speaker 1: or unless California comes in in unprecedented numbers, which there's
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  Speaker 1: no indication that will, Donald Trump is going to win
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  Speaker 1: the popular vote, and he's not just going to win
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  Speaker 1: the popular vote. It looks like he's going to win
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  Speaker 1: it by at least one or two points, and he
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  Speaker 1: very well may get over fifty percent nationally, which I
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  Speaker 1: never thought was possible. I thought it was theoretically possible
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  Speaker 1: that he could win the popular vote. We talked about
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  Speaker 1: that a couple of weeks ago, but that it would
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  Speaker 1: be by a very small margin. If he could get
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  Speaker 1: to like forty eight point five or maybe forty nine,
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  Speaker 1: he could squeak out a popular vote victory, because he
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  Speaker 1: was doing very well in the national popular vote, and
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  Speaker 1: there were reasons to think.
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  Speaker 2: That that could happen.
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  Speaker 1: I did not predict on this podcast, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the popular vote.
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  Speaker 2: That was a mistake on my part. I mean a
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  Speaker 2: lot of mistakes in my predictions.
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  Speaker 1: But I did on Twitter predict that it would be
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  Speaker 1: forty nine and change for Harrison, forty eight for Trump. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like it's going to be at least the
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  Speaker 1: reverse of that. And as I said, there's a legitimate
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  Speaker 1: chance we won't know this for a long time because
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna be counting votes in California forever.
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  Speaker 2: But it certainly looks as.
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  Speaker 1: If right now Trump will probably end up with around
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  Speaker 1: fifty percent, maybe over fifty percent of the popular vote nationally,
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  Speaker 1: which is really astonishing and symbolically, I think, very important
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  Speaker 1: because it does go to the issue of a mandate,
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  Speaker 1: and it certainly does indicate that Trump's lack of popularity
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  Speaker 1: unpopularity has diminished because at least fifty percent of the
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  Speaker 1: population did not vote against him over As I said,
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  Speaker 1: fifty percent may have voted for him, and symbolically, I
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  Speaker 1: think that has significance. So we'll get more to the
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  Speaker 1: how and the why of Trump's victory momentarily, but I
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  Speaker 1: also want to go through the Senate and the House results.
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  Speaker 2: As of right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the Republican Party has won fifty two seats, at
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  Speaker 1: least fifty two seats in the US Senate. They flipped
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia, as everyone knew that they would. They won
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  Speaker 1: in Montana, which was always the seat that I was
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  Speaker 1: most concerned about because I thought.
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  Speaker 2: That was the worst case scenario.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always playing e or and looking at the worst
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  Speaker 1: case scenario. So what's the worst case. If Republicans win
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  Speaker 1: in Montana and flip that seat, they'll have at least
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  Speaker 1: fifty one barring no upsets. I thought there would be
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  Speaker 1: no upsets, and there were no upsets in the other direction,
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  Speaker 1: and so Republicans won in Montana.
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  Speaker 2: They flipped that seat.
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  Speaker 1: And then, to my mild surprise, I predicted it was
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  Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty and I said that Republicans would
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  Speaker 1: get to fifty two seats if this happened. But Bernie
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  Speaker 1: Marino one over an incumbent Senator Brown in Ohio, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of Marino, but I'm thrilled
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  Speaker 1: that Ohio has now two Republican senators, one of which
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  Speaker 1: is going to be Vice President of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: JD.
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  Speaker 1: Vance will see who he gets replaced by Governor Mike DeWine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not particularly optimistic about that, but that's the least
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  Speaker 1: of our problems right now, and certainly have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of good things to be looking forward to in these results,
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  Speaker 1: because it might not stop at fifty two seats for Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty two was an important number to me because if,
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  Speaker 1: especially if Trump won, it effectively means that Murkowski and Collins,
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  Speaker 1: to very week Republicans in the Senate cannot control things
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  Speaker 1: because their votes only get it to fifty to fifty
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  Speaker 1: and JD. Vance and obviously Trump would be the deciding
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  Speaker 1: vote in any fifty to fifty situation. So we're right
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  Speaker 1: there already. But it appears very likely as of this
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  Speaker 1: taping that it will end up at least being fifty three,
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  Speaker 1: and that is based upon what's going on in Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: where McCormick appears as if it has not yet been
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  Speaker 1: called yet, but I think that he is going to
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  Speaker 1: hold on, McCormick is going to defeat Casey the long
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  Speaker 1: term and a long time incumbent. You know, a famous
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  Speaker 1: name in Pennsylvania, the Casey name is finally going to lose.
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  Speaker 1: This is particularly rich and delicious for me personally, not
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  Speaker 1: just because I want there to be fifty three Republicans
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  Speaker 1: in the US Senate, but because Bob kay is the
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  Speaker 1: brother of one of the partners in the Rossfeller Casey
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  Speaker 1: law firm. That name probably is familiar to you if
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  Speaker 1: you've ever listened to Are with the Benefit of Hindsight podcast,
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  Speaker 1: because it was the Rossfeller Casey law firm that represented
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  Speaker 1: some of the key accusers in the penn State Joe
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  Speaker 1: Paterno Jerry Sandusky case, including victim number two, Alan Myers,
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  Speaker 1: who I believe they manipulated. These are the people that
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  Speaker 1: used Andrew Shubin as essentially a bird dog scout to
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  Speaker 1: find accusers in the Sandusky case. And so Bob Casey,
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  Speaker 1: the brother of that Casey in the law firm that
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  Speaker 1: really was running the show there, has now apparently lost
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  Speaker 1: his Senate seat after being an incumbent for a very
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  Speaker 1: long time in the Casey name. Being an incumbent for
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  Speaker 1: a very very very long time since my childhood in
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania for all intents and purposes, So assuming no massive
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  Speaker 1: change that gets the Republican Party to fifty three US Senators,
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  Speaker 1: now there are two other races that are very very close,
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  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin and Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: It is possible that Republicans pull out one of those.
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  Speaker 1: Again, being a pessimist by nature and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: these are two Democratic states and the way that late
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  Speaker 1: votes tend to come in, my guess is, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just a guess, is that Democrats will barely hang on
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  Speaker 1: in both Wisconsin and Michigan. I could be wrong about that.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to be wrong about that, But as
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  Speaker 1: of right now, I feel pretty confident that there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be fifty three US Senators who will be Republicans
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  Speaker 1: in the next Congress. That is very very very good news,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the US Supreme Court. And
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  Speaker 1: and I would expect that Clarence Thomas and probably Sam
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  Speaker 1: Alito will be retiring within this next term at least.
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  Speaker 2: That would be my advice, for whatever that's worth.
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  Speaker 1: They got to be looking around going, Okay, we've got
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  Speaker 1: a Republican president for four years. He can only serve
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  Speaker 1: four years, and we got a strong majority in the Senate,
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  Speaker 1: So now's the time to do it. And with fifty
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  Speaker 1: three senators and JD. Vance, I think you can really
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of damage. You can pretty much get
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  Speaker 1: through almost whoever you want to replace, Clarence Thomas and
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  Speaker 1: or Sam Alito. By the way, Kerry Lake as lost
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona. This was never a surprise, although it was
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  Speaker 1: closer than I certainly thought it would have been a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks ago. That's a testament to essentially Donald Trump's coattails,
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  Speaker 1: which I did not think we're going to exist to
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  Speaker 1: the extent that they did in these Senate races. And
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  Speaker 1: it certainly looks like in Pennsylvania, I mean that was
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  Speaker 1: we talked a lot in this podcast about how there
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  Speaker 1: was a huge disparity between Trump's numbers in Pennsylvania and
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  Speaker 1: McCormick's numbers. Well, as it turned out, the difference was very,
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  Speaker 1: very small. Trump out did McCormick by only a small
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  Speaker 1: margin in Pennsylvania, and it looks as if that's what
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  Speaker 1: helped carry McCormick to victory over Casey.
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  Speaker 2: But right now I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty confident fifty three Republicans in the Senate, and that's
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  Speaker 1: a very solid and important number. Now the House Representatives,
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  Speaker 1: as of this taping, is still up in the air.
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  Speaker 1: And I did predict that the Republican Party would likely
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  Speaker 1: lose several seats in California.
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  Speaker 2: And this is why I thought that.
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  Speaker 1: It was likely that Democrats would take the House, because
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  Speaker 1: the majority was only a handful to begin with. So
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  Speaker 1: if you lose three or four seats just in California,
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  Speaker 1: that's very, very difficult to overcome. Well, it looks as
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  Speaker 1: if that prediction and is probably going to be right.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know, and we will never We won't know
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  Speaker 1: probably for weeks in California because it's so unbelievable how
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  Speaker 1: slowly we count the votes and how close some of
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  Speaker 1: these congressional races are. But despite it looking like you're
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Party is going to lose several seats in California,
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  Speaker 1: right now, it appears underline appears as if Republicans are
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  Speaker 1: likely to hold the House of Representatives. Now I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that that is known. I don't think that can
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  Speaker 1: be known. There are probably a couple dozen races yet
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  Speaker 1: to be called in the House of Representatives. They appear
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  Speaker 1: from what I can tell, to be pretty much split
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  Speaker 1: between Republicans and Democrats. So if Republicans, you know, win
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  Speaker 1: even forty percent of those that haven't been called, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to end up with some sort of majority. It
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  Speaker 1: looks to me this is just a you know, after
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  Speaker 1: a cursory glance of where all the races currently stand,
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  Speaker 1: as if we're going to basically end up with an
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  Speaker 1: unchanged Congress, that Republicans most likely are going to have
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  Speaker 1: an extremely small majority. It might be exactly the same
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  Speaker 1: as it currently is, but that would matter. That would matter.
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  Speaker 1: This is a situation where only a couple of votes
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  Speaker 1: and the House representatives would really make a difference. And
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  Speaker 1: what Trump would be able to do with a Republican
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  Speaker 1: Speaker of the House as opposed to a Democrat Speaker
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  Speaker 1: of the House might be night and day from a
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  Speaker 1: legislative perspective. So that's going to be where a lot
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  Speaker 1: of focus will turn over the next week or two
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  Speaker 1: the sea whether or not Republicans actually do hold the House,
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  Speaker 1: and right now I would say they are favored to
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  Speaker 1: do so, they might be highly favored to do so.
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  Speaker 1: We'll know more in probably the next day or two.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly by the next episode of the podcast. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's certain yet that Republicans are going to
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  Speaker 1: hold the House. It is possible that Democrats could squeak
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  Speaker 1: out a one, two, maybe three vote majority, but it's
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  Speaker 1: all going to depend on how these very tight.
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  Speaker 2: Races work their way out.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems as if certain certain areas of the
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  Speaker 1: country as if these very tight races still tend to
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  Speaker 1: benefit Democrats. But we'll see how this all goes in
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  Speaker 1: the next week or so. But I think in general
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  Speaker 1: it's good news, better news than I predicted, which is
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  Speaker 1: basically the theme.
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  Speaker 2: Of the night.
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  Speaker 1: My predictions were almost entirely wrong, although I did correctly
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  Speaker 1: predict forty seven states and two congressional districts in Maine
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  Speaker 1: and Nebraska in the presidential election. It's kind of weird
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  Speaker 1: to get forty seven states correct, the two congressional districts correct,
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  Speaker 1: but have your presidential election prediction be catastrophically wrong. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: as a married man, I'm very used to not only
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  Speaker 1: being wrong, but admitting that I'm wrong even when.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But in this particular case, I was wrong, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: very glad that I was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: There are a couple of things I was right about.
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  Speaker 1: I was right about there being a head fake in
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  Speaker 1: Virginia where once again people were fooled into thinking that
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  Speaker 1: Trump or the Republican might have a chance to win
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  Speaker 1: the state of Virginia, and then in the end, all
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  Speaker 1: the votes came in in Northern Virginia and it turned
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  Speaker 1: into a situation where it was kind of like Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Brown and Lucy with the football one more time. I
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  Speaker 1: even tweeted that jiff of the video of that because
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  Speaker 1: it's just so representative of what happens in Virginia. Seemingly
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  Speaker 1: every cycle, Virginia on the federal level, even though there's
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  Speaker 1: a Republican governor, cannot be won by Republicans. It's just
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  Speaker 1: as simple as that, because you have all these people
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  Speaker 1: literally voting for their jobs in northern Virginia because they're
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  Speaker 1: federal workers just outside of Washington, d C. So that
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  Speaker 1: exactly as I indicated would be the case. I also
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  Speaker 1: was correct in predicting that there would be an unwillingness
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  Speaker 1: on the part of media outlets in general, and liberal
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  Speaker 1: media outlets in particular, to call certain key races for Trump,
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  Speaker 1: and that certainly turned out to be the case. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was absolutely ridiculous that Georgia and North Carolina were
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  Speaker 1: not called earlier in the evening.
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  Speaker 2: And this became.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of hysterical and really telling, because we had this
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  Speaker 1: bizarre situation where technically on the mainstream networks like CNN,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, is not calling Georgia or North Carolina, but
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  Speaker 1: their commentary simultaneous to not calling Georgia North Carolina for Trump,
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  Speaker 1: which I told you would be called the night of
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  Speaker 1: the election for Trump. By not doing that, they completely
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  Speaker 1: contradicted themselves because they were also simultaneously talking about how
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  Speaker 1: Harris's only path is the blue Wall. Well, you can't
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  Speaker 1: do that. I mean, this drives me crazy because I'm
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  Speaker 1: a very logical person, and that is inherently contradictory. If
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  Speaker 1: in North Carolina and Georgia are really still too close
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  Speaker 1: to call and Harris can win either one or both
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  Speaker 1: of those, you can't be concluding that the blue Wall
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  Speaker 1: is her only path.
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  Speaker 2: But they were trying to have it both ways.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't want to officially call Georgia and North Carolina
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  Speaker 1: because that would be so damaging to Harris and they
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to have blood on their hands. But by
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  Speaker 1: doing that effectively, they were saying that Pennsylvania is it
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  Speaker 1: because if Trump wins, as we kept saying on this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the easiest path for Trump is Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: It's over.
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  Speaker 1: At that point, There's nothing else that matters. And so
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  Speaker 1: they were living in this and this went on for hours,
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  Speaker 1: this bizarro contradictory world where they're acknowledging. The Harris team
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  Speaker 1: is even acknowledging that the blue Wall is the last shot,
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  Speaker 1: which essentially means they're conceding Georgia and North Carolina. Yet
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  Speaker 1: Georgia and North Carolina were not called officially. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know, even when the blue Wall officially collapsed, CN
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  Speaker 1: didn't call the race for Trump until five thirty in
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  Speaker 1: the morning East Coast time, which is just utterly insane.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this thing was over. I tweeted that it
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  Speaker 1: was over. I don't can remember the exact moment. I
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  Speaker 1: can look at it on Twitter, but it was very
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  Speaker 1: much still Tuesday here on the West coast, and I
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  Speaker 1: said I had seen enough. This was even before or
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  Speaker 1: they had officially called North Carolina and Georgia, because it
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  Speaker 1: was obvious that the blue Wall was collapsing and that
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  Speaker 1: there was no way she was going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to win Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and as it turns out,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't win any of them.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting to kind of determine why you're wrong in
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  Speaker 1: these situations, and I think I was wrong for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of reasons. Again, by the way, it's important to
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  Speaker 1: point out there's so many ironies here, but when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to me in my wrong predictions, especially in this
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  Speaker 1: particular case where I predicted that Harris would win by
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  Speaker 1: the very smallest of margins two seventy two sixty eight,
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  Speaker 1: and I made it clear I was not confident in
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  Speaker 1: that prediction, but I was comfortable with it because I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was the most likely outcome. But I made
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  Speaker 1: it clear I thought that Trump could easily win. But
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  Speaker 1: one of the ironies here is one I'm actually happy
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  Speaker 1: with this result. I'm thrilled with the result in the Senate.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be even happier if Republicans hold the House. And
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  Speaker 1: in the short run, I'm thrilled that Donald Trump is
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  Speaker 1: going to be president, not Kamala Harris. So that's one
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  Speaker 1: level of irony. The other irony, and I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Going to get into it right now.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I will so do so if and when we
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  Speaker 1: get Steve Cortes on the program, which I anticipate we
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: will probably next week, assuming he's available. But I've had
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: probably more of an extensive role in trying to help
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Trump win and Kamala'll lose than I have let on
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in this podcast, partially because I didn't know what I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: was allowed to talk about and what was smart for
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: me to talk about. Like so I'll save that for
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: even when we talked to Steve Cortez, who was running
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a pro Trump political action committee that was very very
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: active and spend a lot of money in the Swing
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: states and may have had an influence in what ended
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: up happening in some of the swing states. But it's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: just ironic to me that I knew, I fully understood,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I was going to take a lot of heat from
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the Trumpsters, even though, like I said, I'm happy about
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: this result, and I did everything I could, both publicly
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and privately, to try to make sure that Kamala didn't win.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Whatever tiny little influence I may have had, and then
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it was probably much more extensive than I have let
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: on via this podcast. Again, I'll revisit that at a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: later date, but it's just very It's a very odd
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: position to be, and especially when I'm posting videos like
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I did this morning of my children waking up like
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it's Christmas morning because they were very eager to find
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: out who won. They went to bed thinking there was
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a very good chance that Trump was going to win,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: but they didn't know for sure, and both Grace, my
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: twelve year old, and Diana, my seven year old, were
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: legitimately and sincerely ecstatic, even more so than they sometimes
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: are on Christmas Morning to find out that Trump won
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and Kamala had lost. Grace is very into try Trump
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: winning and Diana's very focused on Kamala losing, which I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: find to be an interesting economy. But if you're interested,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you can see that video on my Twitter feed. Although
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sure going to take heat for having posted it
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: because Diana, my seven year old, was in her underwear
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: at the time, just having literally woke it up, but
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: it's just too great a video to resist posting. So
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you know, here I am perceived as someone who's anti
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Trump and didn't do my duty to try to help
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Trump win, and yet you know, I'm posting videos of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: my children literally celebrating, and my wife was also in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: a veryous celebratory mood. She did the recreation of the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: victory dance that we talked about when she was interviewed
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: on this podcast, that she did prematurely in twenty twenty.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get to why I find that to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: be significant later on in the podcast. But the Ziggler
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: girls were very excited about these results. They didn't give
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a damn that I was wrong in my predictions. And
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not nearly an egomaniac enough to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: care more about my predictions that I care about the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: future of the country. I'd do my predictions baseball what
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I think is likely to happen, regardless of whether or
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: not it's good or bad for me. I said in
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the last podcast, it would be a lot easier for
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: me if I predicted Trump would have won.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I wish I would have done so, one.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Because I would have been accurate, and two because I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: would have taken a heck of a lot less grief.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But let's just take a moment here to examine why
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I was wrong about those three states.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: That's what I was wrong about.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: The three states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I think the first mistake that I made.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Was that I misread the polling, specifically when it came
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to the right wing polsters. I did not trust the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: right wing polsters. I didn't trust the mainstream polsters. I
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: thought that the mainstream polsters had probably corrected passed mistakes
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty. I was wrong in
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that assumption. They made basically this almost the same mistake
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that they made in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, And
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: we're going to get to the implications of that later
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: on in this podcast episode. But the mainstream posters did
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: not certainly overcorrect for past mistakes, and it doesn't even
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: look like they properly corrected at all, especially when it
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: came to the national popular vote. But when it came
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to the right wing pollsters, I did not think that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: they had any credibility. I thought that they were essentially
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: hunting for clicks and attention and making a hopeful prediction
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that Trump would win. But it turns out that some
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of them were actually right. Now were they lucky, were
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: they actually onto something?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It's probably a little bit of both. There's probably some
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: luck involved.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: But I actually apologized to one of them Atlas on Twitter,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: because I'd been mocking them because they'd been by far
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the most optimistic of all the pro Trump pollsters, and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: they effectively nailed it on both the presidential side when
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: it came to the swing states as well as the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: popular vote and even some of the Senate races. So
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: they were right, and I was wrong to be so
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: skeptical of them, and so that I think was a
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: key part of why I was wrong, But that was
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: not the only reason why I was wrong, because I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: was not relying just on the polling data. If you
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: listened to episode number two hundred and four, you know
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that I went to extensive details to my thinking as
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: to how this was all going to go down. And
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: one of the narratives that I did not buy fully
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: into was this idea that minority males in general, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: blackmails in particular, we're really going to vote for Donald
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Trump in larger numbers, or much larger numbers than was
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: historically expected. Now, I was open to the idea that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: there might be low enthusiasm among black mails for Kamala Harris.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I even talked about that on the podcast, where I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: think that she represents to a lot of black mails,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a version of a woman of color that creates a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: lot of angst for them, because in a lot of
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: cases in the DEI world, a woman of color gets
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: put ahead in the pecking order over a blackmail. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: don't know how prevalent that perception is in the blackmail community,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but I can certainly see where it might have some impact.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I can also see where Trump being such an anti
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: establishment character and being attacked by the establishment and literally
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: being you know, in a situation where he's indicted and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: where you know he's convicted, and all that, I can
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: certainly see that makes him a theoretically sympathetic figure among
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: some elements of the black community. I get all that,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: but I did not buy the narrative that it was
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: going to result in a major change in votes.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: But apparently it did.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And this became pretty obvious very early on in the evening.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: There was one polling exit polling result that kind of
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: sent shockwaves through everybody.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I tweeted it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Out, and it was that in Georgia, Trump was getting
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the black mail vote. Twenty five
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: percent of the black mail vote in Georgia, I mean
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that right there, And that's an exit poll, which is
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: not perfect, but it's a lot more accurate than than
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a normal poll. If that was the reality, at the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: very least, that said to me, she ain't winning Georgia.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Now I always thought she wasn't gonna win Georgia.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: But you cannot win as a Democratic candidate against Donald
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Trump and Georgia if twenty five percent of black males
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: are voting for Donald Trump.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: That's just not possible.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And it appears as if that trend carried over into
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and Detroit and other black areas, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: so that really sapped a lot of the punch in
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the Democratic vote in the.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Key swing states.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: And I just did not believe that that was going
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to manifest itself to that degree.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: So I did not trust the right wing posters. I
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: had too much trust.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: In the more mainstream posters that they had corrected past mistakes.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Did not buy the narrative of black males voting in
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: big numbers for Donald Trump, and big numbers meaning in
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: comparison to historical norms. And then there's another narrative, by
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the way, we should also put Latino males in there too.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I certainly did not expect.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: That Trump would win among Latino males, which appears to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: have been the case maybe nationwide. I mean, that is
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: just absolutely amazing, and it was frankly hilarious to see
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: some in the media, esupposedly a CNN just absolutely flummixed
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: as to, for instance, how in the Puerto Rican areas
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania Trump was actually doing very well, because they
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: thought that that problem had been taken care of with
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the whole Madison Square guard fiasco and that controversy, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: they just were beside themselves completely confused as to how
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Latinos in general and Puerto Ricans in particular could possibly
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: be voting for Donald Trump. But that is if that's
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a real sea change demographically, and who knows everything with
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Trump is impossible to know whether it's just for him
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: or whether or not this is somehow an indication of
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a cultural change. But there is no doubt that Trump's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: appeal to minority voters, especially minority males, was extraordinary and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: unprecedented from a Republican perspective, and probably made the difference
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: between him winning and maybe losing, or at least.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: This being a very very.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Very close election, As I and most other commentators thought
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: that it would be.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I did not anticipate this, so that turned a.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Very close election into an election that wasn't really all
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that close. That combined with another demographic narrative that I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: did buy into that I don't think we have evidence
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it ever really manifest itself. And I'm referring to essentially
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the swifty issue. As you know, I've been buying in
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that this was going to make some sort of difference.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Did this along When I say the swifty issue, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a short for the entire Dobbs abortion issue, because.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: It's the same demographic.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously, young single women who generally don't vote
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: in large numbers, generally are liberal. And my thought was
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: that Taylor Swift endorsing Harris would be the difference between
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of these women deciding not to vote or
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: not being all that enthusiastic about voting. But then when
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you have Harris replacing Biden, and you have Taylor Swift
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: endorsing her, although rather tacitly not all that enthusiastically and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: only did it once in an Instagram post. Didn't even
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: wear a Harris Waltz hat on her way to the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs game on Monday Night, which I thought
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: was interesting, and so you know, she did the very
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: least that she would have been required to do as
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: an endorser of Harris. I don't know how much impact
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that had, but the reality is, for whatever it's worth,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: there's no evidence of a Swifty effect. There's no evidence
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of an abortion effect driving unprecedented young female turnout, which
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: had been the expectation and the hope of the Harris campaign.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So as of right now, we have no indication, no
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: data to show that that actually transpired. So when you considered,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you know, those are a lot of miscalculations.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: On my part.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: The right wing polster is not giving enough credibility, giving
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: too much credibility to the mainstream pollsters, not buying the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: black mail or the minority male voting for Trump narrative,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and putting too much weight into the idea that young
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: single females were going to come out in record numbers
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: or very strong numbers in part because of abortion, in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: part because of Taylor Swift.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: There's no evidence that actually happened.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: So that's why the blue wall collapsed, and that's why
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump won, That's why Kamala Harris lost.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I think in general.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: In the you know, putting this in the most general
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: terms possible, I think that you could. It was a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: lot of ways you could spin what happened here. But
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: from a cultural perspective, I really think this comes down
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to Accham's raisor maleness beat femininity.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: That's what happened.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: America has always been, you know, an alpha country, a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: male kind of country DNA wise. I thought that was
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: changing more dramatically than apparently it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Has, thankfully.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: So that was part of why I thought Harris might
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: squeak this out under the very smallest of margins possible,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: because I just think we've become much more of a
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: feminized nation. Well, this election showed that there is at
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: least one last hurrah for maleness, because, whether you buy
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: into it or not, perception wise, Trump is an alpha male.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: He solidified that forever when he got shot in the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: face and stood up bleeding and said fight, fight, Fight.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And the Harris campaign thought that their ticket to victory,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: their path here was to exacerbate the gender gap by.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Appealing to women women women.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Now it seems as if late in the campaign they
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: started to go who whoa, whoa whoa. Wait a minute,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: we got a major problem with men. And our answer
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: was let's have Obama scold black men and let's have
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Tim Waltz play video game football with AOC. Not exactly
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: great strategies, because they realized that they had a problem,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: they may have underestimated how much of a problem they had.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: But what we learned here is that gender trumps literally
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and figuratively race for a lot of people. By the way,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I think that's actually a good development, the fact that
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: there are large numbers of black men and Latino men
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: who are faced with this circumstance where they're basically being told, hey,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: as a man, you're not worth as much anymore. This
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: is a female dominated society, and they're faced with this
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: choice between an alpha male and a woman who's embracing
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the female voter to make her the first female president.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And a lot of them, not huge numbers, but enough said.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: You know what, I know.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: My race is telling me that I'm supposed to vote
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: for Harris. That's what the media is telling me, that's
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: what Democrats are telling me. But I'm going to vote
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: for Trump because my maleness trumps my race. And so
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I think that bottom line, that's really what happened here.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: This was a last stand for masculinity, real or perceived.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I totally get if you don't believe that Trump is
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a truly masculine man, but in perception that's one hundred
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: percent the case. And so Democrats, to their own peril,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: tried to exacerbate the gender gap. And I think and
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I actually said this on a different podcast, but I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: don't think I said it on the Death of Journalism.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I should have because I think it's an interesting and
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: important point. I think what the Trump campaign was banking on,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: whether it was conscious or subconscious, I don't know, is
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that there is a large percentage of women. And I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: don't know what this number is, but it's enough for
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Trump to win. There is a large percentage of women.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And you know, maybe my girls are a great example
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: of this. Who one are very very tough on other women,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and that Kamal Aaris not really being qualified and not
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: being a great candidate wasn't going to appeal to them.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: They're very tough on other women.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: They also prefer masculinity, especially when it comes to their leaders.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: It's a very primal caveman type impulse, right where the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: women want to be protected by a strong male. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: so I think that there's enough of those women to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: where the gender gap could only go so far. In
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Harris's direction, when it came to appealing to women, they
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: were going to hit a brick wall on women. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: don't know what that number is, but it's somewhere that
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: there's a percentage of women that are like, no, I
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: want a man in charge, or at least someone who
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: is manly in charge. And also, I'm not going to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: vote for a woman that I don't think is qualified.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: So I think they hit a wall when it came
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to how many women voters they could get, and they
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: bled too many male voters, especially when it came to minorities,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: because they totally gave up the entire issue of masculinity.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And then by the time they realized they had a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: big problem, it was too late, and their tactics were
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: terrible with Obama and Waltz. So that's I think the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: essence of what happened here. But there are other more
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: specific reasons why Trump won. He won because Harris was
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: awful and because she was illegitimate. I mean, let's be clear,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to take anything away from Trump's victory.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the Trump momentarily, you know. So I'm
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: not doing that. I'm just explaining what happened here. Harris
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: was awful as a candidate, and I think she was
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: seen by many, not as many as should have seen
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: her this way, but by a lot of swing voters
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: as not being legitimate. We talked about this when the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Biden coup occurred, in the switcheroo happen, and it was
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: my hope, It was my hope that maybe just maybe
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: people were just not going to allow this to pass
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the smell test, that this just didn't feel right, that
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: this was too cute. And I was discouraged at first
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: because Harris jumped in the polls. Well, maybe that process
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: took longer than I was hoping for or anticipating, maybe
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: as people got to think about this longer and also
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: got to see her more in action. And there's there's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: no doubt that, you know, one of the more interesting
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: strategies by the Harris campaign that I would love to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: know what they really think, you know, in the aftermath
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: of their loss, is they were doing well when they
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: were hiding Harris. But it was only after Harris started
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: doing interviews with everybody that her numbers started to go
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: down and were actually even worse in reality than they
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: were in the public.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Now, is you know that's a correlation? Is there a
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: causation there? I think so. We did an entire episode.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: About this entire concept called the new car Smell. I
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: did a whole bit about how they were trying to
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: get her off the lot as a car before she
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: lost the new car smell. Well, she lost the new
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: car smell because people got exposed to who she really was,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: and I think the fact that she didn't come off
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: as particularly qualified or proficient or intelligent made people go
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: back to, wait a minute, how did she get this position?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: How did she get the nomination without a vote? And
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I still believe that the whole Jim Gaffigan comment at
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the Al Smith dinner should have been used by the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Trump campaign. I think it would have been very, very effective,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: but it didn't matter in the end because they didn't
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: need it. I mean that the reality is that she
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: was seen by a lot of people as just not
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: presidential material, that she was not up to the job.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And even though you know, she wasn't.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Hated personally, her favorabilities, which I talked a lot about
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: leading up to this election, were always way ahead of
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Trump's but in the exit polls they were not. They
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: were only marginally like a couple of points ahead of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump when it came to favorability. And so, you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: while the right wing conspiracy had decades to attack Hillary
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Clinton's favorabilities and that's why she lost in twenty sixteen,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the Republican messaging machine and the right wing media only
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: had a couple of months to do with Kamala Harris. Well,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I think she must have helped, because I don't think
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the right wing media machine could have done this in
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a couple of months on their own if Harris had
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: actually been good at doing interviews. But she was terrible
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: at doing interviews, and so that it was a huge
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: part of what allowed Trump to win this election that
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Harris just was not seen as qualified. She was not
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: seen as somebody who passed over the presidential threshold, even
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: after she had effectively defeated Donald Trump in their only debate.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Now in conjunction with at least fifty percent of the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: public not believing that Harris was truly qualified, was the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: issue of change, and this was another topic that we
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: discussed a lot on this podcast. The electorate wanted change
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: even more than I realized based upon the exit polling.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, people really wanted change, and I had theorized that,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you know what, as insane as it is for the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: sitting vice president and a member of the party that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: has been in the White House for twelve of the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: last sixteen years.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: To be claiming to be the change agent.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I thought, with some peace people, this might fool them,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that this might actually work, and so I was hopeful
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: that it would not, but I was fearful that it might.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: But it is clear from last night's results that it
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: did not work. That the current vice president cannot be
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: seen as the change agent, and that even though Trump
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: was painted somehow as the establishment by Harris, the majority
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: of voters did not buy that. And I think that
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the reason why that didn't work was because of all
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the establishment attacks against Donald Trump, because of the indictments,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: because of the convictions, because of the impeachments. So I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: don't think that that was able to stick. I was
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: fearful that it might, but it clearly did not. Because
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the exit polls indicate people really really want change, and
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Trump being seen by most as the anti establishment figure
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I think prevented Harris from being able to get away
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: with this idea that we're going to turn the page,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: this is a new way forward, even though she's the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: current vice president of the United States. And so it
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: just did not work, certainly not to the degree that
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the Harris campaign had hoped.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: And that leads me to.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Another part which is certainly connected to what I just
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: said about why Trump won here, and I think it
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: has to do with Trump's remarkable personal story and all
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: of the attacks against him, humanizing him to a disadvantaged.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Demographic people who.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Would not normally be seen as Republican voters, whether they're
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: black males or Latino males, or whether they're poor wifes.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: The disadvantaged groups see Trump now in a far more
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: humanized fashion, in a much more relatable way, because they
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: see him not just being attacked, but taking the attacks,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: persevering through the attacks, and even prospering through the attacks
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: against all odds. And you have simultaneous to this the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: total destruction of the credibility of the elites, specifically the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: news media and celebrities. So the more that the news
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: media attacks Trump, the more that celebrities, you know, endorse
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: his opponent or say how terrible he is the elites
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: have no credibility with the disadvantaged groups, none, and it
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: almost works.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: In a negative fashion.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: The more that the media attacks, the more that the
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: elites embrace his opponents, the more a certain group of
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: disadvantaged people actually like Trump. They can put up with
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: all of his foibles, all of his vulnerabilities, all of
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the elements of him that drive people like me crazy.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: They don't care.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of them actually like it because
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: they think he's sticking it to the man, sticking it
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: to the elites, the same group of people that they
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: don't like because they believe in their life, rightly or wrongly,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: that they've had it stuck to them by the elites
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and they have no more trust left after being lied
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: to for many, many years in many many ways by
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the news media. I mean, the news media has completely
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: lost all credibility with all but a very small portion
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: of the public, and that the results in this election
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: sho basically proved that one hundred percent. And when it
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: comes to the news media, obviously this is the death
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: of journalism.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Podcast.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: The media reaction to this remarkable victory by Donald Trump
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: was very telling. Now, frankly, it wasn't as marked by meltdowns,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: as much as I might have expected. But there was
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: also absolutely no introspection or self awareness or almost none,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you know, interrational world. You might think that people who
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: do this for a living, it get paid a lot
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: of money to analyze what's going on, might take a
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: moment in the midst of hours and hours of.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Coverage to go.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: You know, we actually need to take some responsibility for
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: how this happened. Yes, we're all shocked and we're disappointed
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has won and that Republicans now appear
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: as if they're going to be in control of our
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: government again. But shouldn't we take a look at our
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: own role in this. Shouldn't we look inward and go, boy, wow,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: think about how much credibility we've lost. We tried to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: call Trump hitler on numerous occasions. We went after him
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: with everything we had.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: And it didn't work. In fact, it seemed to backfire
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: yet again, yet again.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Because we haven't learned any of the lessons from the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: last eight years in how to deal with Donald Trump.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: But there was very little of that, not quite as
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: much meltdown as I expected. Unfortunately, I'm taping this before
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the view gets broadcast at least on the West Coast.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how bad the view's gonna be,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: but that's gonna be hilarious. I mean, Donald Trump Junior
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: even tweeted out a promotion for the view because it's
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: just going.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: To be so entertaining.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure that there's gonna be liberal media meultdown
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: by the time that you hear this podcast. But as
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: of the coverage from last night and very early this morning,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of that. There was a lot
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of excuse making. I mean Joy Reid of MSNBC. I
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: was going to play a couple of clips from her,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: but you know what, I'm not going to make you
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: endure Joy Reid.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: She is so unhinged.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I mean she went on a rant just before the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: election that was absolutely crazed, going through the whole Trump
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: is a fascist dictator, hitler want to be Who's going
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to take away your right to abortion and you know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: basically kill your transgender kids.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I mean just crazy, I mean absolutely off the.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Chart shit that you can't even believe whatever be allowed
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: on a major news network, allegedly news network like MSNBC.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And then in the middle of the results, when it
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: was starting to become obvious that this was not going
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: to be a good night for Kamala Harris. She went
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: on a rant blaming white women, not blaming the Harris campaign,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: or you know, looking at this from the perspective of, well,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: maybe there's a reason why people voted for Trump. Now, No,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: she was blaming white women defending black women. Oh, black
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: women did our role, but it was white women in
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the suburbs who did not do their obligation. They let
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: us down, they didn't vote enough for Kamala Harris. I mean,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: just crazy stuff. Again, don't you think that there should
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: be at least a little bit of introspection, a little
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: bit of self awareness, a little bit of blame on
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: yourself for your role, not just you specifically, but the
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: media's role in general. For why it is that so
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: many people are embracing Donald Trump almost as a direct
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: reaction to the elites telling them not to do so.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's obvious.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: It's just not a a you know, a correlation. It's
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: a causation. It's a complicated causation. But that's clearly a
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: large part of the equation. Now, there was another liberal commentator,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Van Jones on CNN. I've mentioned him a lot on
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Sometimes I like him, sometimes I dislike him.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Here I dislike him a lot because here is Van
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Jones going through one of the stages of grief.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: This was before the race was officially called.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Of course, the CNN, almost everything was before the race
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: was officially called, because you know, they for whatever reason
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: decided not to call it, which is certainly consistent with
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: their perceived political.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Bias and agenda.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: But Van Jones, a black liberal commentator, a smart guy
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: who sometimes is actually onto.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Things and is willing to admit when.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: His side is wrong, more so than a lot of
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: other liberal commentators. He did not, in my opinion, step
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: up to the plate and do himself any justice in
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: his initial reaction to what appeared to be a Harris loss.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: He did not.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: In fact, he defended Harris. All these liberal commentators defended Harris. Oh,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: she was up against a head wind. There was nothing
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that she could do. She actually performed very very well.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: It wasn't her fault, and it's the voter's fault for
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: not embracing her because we're a whole bunch of misogynists erasists. Well,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: that's effectively where Van Jones went, you know, he portrayed
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: this and he's almost not quite in tears, but he's
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: getting very emotional, which he's prone to doing. Sometimes I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: think it's an act. Sometimes it's real. I'm never one
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: hundred percent sure, But here was Van Jones going through
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: one of the stages of grief and making this sound
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: as if this is an attack on disadvantaged groups, including
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: trans kids who can no longer feel safe in this
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: world where Donald Trump is beating Kamala Harris.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: And here's what that satellite on CNN.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying, and I do see it
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: differently because I'm thinking about the people who are not
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: a part of anybody's elite, who are hurting tonight. There
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: are African American women who know a little bit about
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: being talked down to, and know a little bit about
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: having their economic dreams crushed, who tried to dream a
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: big dream over the past couple of months, and tonight
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: they're trading in a lot of hope for a lot
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: of hurt. And they were hoping that maybe this time,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: this time, one of their own could be seen as worthy,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: and once again they're facing rejection, and that hurts.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: They thought tomorrow morning, they're going to.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Walk out with their shoulders back a little bit, may
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: be able to breathe for the first time, feel like
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: they belong someplace. They did everything that they knew how
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: to do, and it's going to be harder than it
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: should be tomorrow them to hold their heads up. And
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: they're not the only people who are hurting tonight. If
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: you're a trance, if you're a parent of a trans kid,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: your child's face was used as a springboard to power
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: for somebody that doesn't feel good. They're gonna be people tomorrow.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: We're going to be handing clothes at the dry cleaners.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: To people who don't have papers.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: They're gonna be people who are gonna be cleaning your
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: teeth tomorrow who don't have papers, and they are terrified tonight,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: And so it's easy to blow this off.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, they'll get the elite.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: They're gonna get their come up with.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: It's not the elite.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: It's going to pay the price. It's people who woke
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: up this morning with a dream and are going to
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: bed with a nightmare. And those people didn't deserve to
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: be respected and held and talked to. Those are the
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: people are gonna pay the price or whatever Donald Trump
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: decides to do.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Van, how do we know that those people didn't vote
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: A large people portion of those people are part of
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the people that elected Donald Trump.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: So I think that's a good part of the electric
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: and the black women.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: The party, the Democratic Party let those black women down,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: not Donald Trump.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Now, another similar kind of I thought humorous thing happened
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: on CNN a little bit later when Jake Tapper, who
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: was basically hosting CNN's coverage, tried to say, you know, hey,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't just blame racism and misogyny. I don't
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: have the clip because it happened late at night, and
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything else post it and on the
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: audio from my I didn't get it on my television,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: so but I'm gonna I have a pretty good memory
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of what happened. He was basically saying, maybe we shouldn't
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: just blame racism and misogyny.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Of course, he didn't.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Shoot that down as a completely illegitimate excuse, because he
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: knows that within the studio at CNN that's a very
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: popular view and certainly one that Van Jones would be
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: prone to be making. But he Topper basically tried to say, hey,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't just blame racism and misogyny, maybe we
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: should try to understand what the Trump voter was actually
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: thinking in the economic hardships and why it is that
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Harris didn't do as well as Biden in any or
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: didn't outperform Biden significantly in any county in the entire
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: country Tapper. That's a clip that went viral where Tapper
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: was stunned to see that not one county in the
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: entire country had Harris significantly outperforming what Biden did in
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, which I'm sure if Joe Biden is aware,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: that must have made him very very happy this morning
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: whenever he eventually woke up. But the reality here is
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: that when Tapper tried to make this argument, hey, maybe
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't just blame racism and misogyny for this, the
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: panel literally did not understand and Tapper almost had to
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: stand down and move odd because it just doesn't working,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: because the panel was like, huh what, it just did
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: not compute. But even as humorous as that was, that
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: was not the funniest moment of the night on CNN
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: That came on something that really had very little to
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: do with political bias, although you could argue this is
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: political bias because it dealt with the issue of Georgia
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and when to call the state of Georgia. And I
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: hope this is going to translate in an audio format,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: but I found this to be hilarious. Other people did
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: on social media as well. But here's CNN reporter Pamela
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Brown is breathlessly reporting the reality that I don't think
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: that she's fully understanding from a math perspective, that Trump
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: is up by over one hundred thousand votes. I think
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: it was one hundred and eighteen thousand votes in Georgia,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: eating Georgia by over one hundred and eighteen thousand votes.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: To be clear, CNN and other liberal media outlets have
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: not yet called Georgia for Trump, even though they should.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And she's reporting that there are one hundred thousand votes
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: left to be counted. Now, my seven year old Diana,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: who's very good at math, would be instantly be able
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: to tell you, well, that means that Trump won, because
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: if he's up by one hundred eighteen thousand votes and
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: there's only one hundred thousand votes left, and Harris gets
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: all one hundred.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Thousand votes, which he's not gonna do. She can't win.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's really not difficult, except Pamela Brown does
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: not seem to understand the impact of what she is saying.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: And she's talking to Jake Tapper and John.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: King, who's very good at CNN on the big John
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: King is a very smart guy, very good at what
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: he's doing, and he's fantastic on election nights. And just
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: to be clear, Tapper and King have been on air
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours their preferred candidate.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Is about to lose.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: They've got to be exhausted, and they can't be, you know,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent thinking straight. Pamela Brown has hardly been
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: on air at all. She's fresh as a daisy, and
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: she comes up with this cockamany report where she's clearly
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: not understanding the significance of it. She is reporting it
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: as if somehow this is still giving Harris hope in Georgia.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: But John King, being a smart guy and Jake Tapper
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: is a pretty smart guy, they're confused. They're like, what wait,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: if that's right, then that means Harris can't win.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: And then the funniest part of the whole thing.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Is Pamela Brown, in my view, with more than a
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: little bit of error, steps in and tries to correct
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: John King because he, in my view, what's happening here
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: is King understands that Brown is not getting it, and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: he's trying desperately to give her an out to where
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: she doesn't look like an idiot, and she's not getting
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: even that. She's not understanding even that. She then starts
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: to try to correct King and to try to substantiate
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: her report that there's still one hundred exactly one hundred
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: thousand votes or thereabouts still to be counted. And in
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: my view, this was one hilarious and two very telling
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: on a couple of different fronts when it comes to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the media. One Brown's inability to do basic math, and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: two Tapper and King just being terrified of making a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: female seem like an idiot live on the air and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: doing everything they possibly can to avoid that. And because
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: of that, hilarity and confusion ensues. And here's what that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: sounded like on CNN.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: You good, there you go, Pamela, What do you got
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: for us in Georgiana?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: This is important information in Georgia. I'm getting from Gabriel
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Sterling to top election official. There the margin right now
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: in Georgia is one hundred and eighteen thousand votes right,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: one hundred and thousand votes are outstanding right now. This
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: is what I'm being told from Gabriel Sterling. Now he
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: says the split will go marginally for Harris. So let's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: break down what we know about where some of that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: outstanding vote is. Chatham forty thousand outstanding. I'm told this
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: is a county that went to Biden in twenty twenty.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: Carol outstanding eighteen thousand. This is a county that went
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: to Trump in twenty twenty. And then you have the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: blue counties of Decab and Fulton to Cab has three
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: thousand outstanding ballots. Fulton has two thousand outstanding ballots. Again,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: just to recap type margin, one hundred and eighteen thousand.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: One hundred thousand votes still out in Georgia, and Gabriel
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Sterling says it's the split coming from that will be marginally.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: His prediction is for Harris. But this is what the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: data coming in is showing right now.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Back to you, John, do you have any questions for Pamela?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: You say a total the total outstanding votes is one
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: hundred thousand.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: He said, one.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: Hundred thousand votes out yep, And so I just gave
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: you a little snapshot of where some of those places are.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: Chat and Carol, I asked, when are we going to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: find out these results from these counties? He did not
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: have a timeline exactly for that, but hopefully soon.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: With the significance obviously that Donald Trump right now has
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: a margin of one hundred and eighteen.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Eight hundred and thirty eight votes. And you're saying there's
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: If he's being literal, sometimes one hundred. They're getting calls
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: from counties and they say twenty thousand.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: It's early twenty.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: Two, right, could be thirty three nine if he's.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: Just jumping in, yes, please, Actually we asked about how
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: do you know these numbers? And actually, by law they
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: have to have it the actual numbers. So I understand
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: your point, but I think they do have more precise
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: numbers based on what the law requires.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: Interesting, then that's said, if that math sends a shockwave
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: through the Harris campaign, Yeah, if that is literal, just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: even if she won them all, it there's one hundred
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: thousand left, right and she won them all and she
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: won't he's one hundred and eighty thousand, she.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Said, marginally for Harris, which means probably like fifty three
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: forty seven or something along those lines.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: Interesting, Well, we'll have the decision, Deska talk to the
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: people into Georgia.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Can I go now?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, that clip has gone fairly viral on Twitter,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: and it deserves to do so, you know, in a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: rational world, Pamela Brown, in my view, showed that she
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: really has no business being in that position. I mean,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: that's that's you know, as basic as it gets. It's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: almost literally two plus two equals for kind of stuff.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: And I had a great deal of sympathy and empathy for.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Jake Tapper and John King trying to get out of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: that situation.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I would love to know what Pamela Brown was really
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: thinking there.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's some element of this that I'm missing that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: she thought was the case, maybe some misunderstanding. I don't
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: know what it was, but it certainly didn't come across
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: well on the air.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: That's for day.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I've already referenced, but I'll reference it again
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: because I'm talking about CNN a moment that was also
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: talked a lot about on social media, and this happened
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: more than once, so I'm not going to play a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: clip from it, but it was funny to see CNN's frustration,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: open frustration whenever they went to the results in the Allentown,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania area, because they kept waiting for there to be
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: some evidence that Hispanics and or Puerto Ricans would be
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: voting against Trump because of what happened with the comedian
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: at the Madison Square Garden event just before the election,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: and there's no evidence of that at all, which, by
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: the way, when we were just that controversy, I told
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: you there's no logic to this being a major campaign issue.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I mean the fact that the Harris campaign fooled the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: media into thinking that it was really working for them.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: You remember we played a clip from uh I think
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: it was ABC, but CBS did a similar report where
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: they were quoting the Harris campaign that this is moving
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: the needle like we've never seen before. And I'm like,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. First of all, the number of Puerto Ricans
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: in swing states, even in Pennsylvania is very very small too.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: That they weren't talking about Puerto Ricans. They were talking
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: about Puerto Rico, and if you're a Puerto Rican in
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the United States, you've inherently left Puerto Rico. Well, there's
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: got to be a reason why you did that. So
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: it's not like you're gonna feel like, oh my god,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: that was a ridiculous thing. I mean, it wasn't even
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: said by Trump or even when Trump was on stage.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's insulting to people from Puerto Rico to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: thing that they would cast their ballots solely on this.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: But that's the media of view of minorities. They have
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: an incredibly racist view of a lot of these groups,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: including in this case, Puerto Ricans, and they were aghast, appalled,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: completely flobbixed as to why Trump was not losing votes
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: because of the Puerto Rican controversy in the Allentown area
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Now, when it came to.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Introspection or self awareness, there was at least a hint
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: a hint, not much, but a hint of that on
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Morning Joe on MSNBC show hosted co hosted by Joe Scarborough,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: a former Republican congressman who actually used to be a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: pretty darn conservative Republican congressman from Florida, but has long
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: ago sold out and has somehow been able to keep
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: his position along with his wife co hosting the morning
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: show on a very very very liberal network, even though
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: they Donald Trump's ass for all it was worth in
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and now, of course it's an extremely anti
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Trump show. But I want to play this clip because
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: it's important on a number of different fronts, and it
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: does show at least a smidgeon of self introspection, at
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: least when it comes not to the media, but specifically
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: to how wacky and woke elements of the liberal movement
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: have become the progressive movement have become. Here is a
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: clip where the Mika Brazinski is quoting from a Harris
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: campaign staffer about how effective the transgender ad that Trump
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: played against Harris. And you've probably seen for yourself, because
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: it was everywhere how effective that was. Now I've actually
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: referenced this ad because it was clear in hearing Harris
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: talk about this issue that she was peeved that that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: ad had left to Mark and you know, she was
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: complaining about all the millions of dollars that had been
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: spent on this ad where an actual clip from Kamala
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Harris was used of her talking about supporting transgender reassignment
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: surgeries for inmates, and this was an ad that.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Clearly moved the needle, and.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: That's why it was used so much by the Trump
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: campaign and the Harris campaign obviously did not have a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: retort for this. They did not have a way to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: fight back. And that's really kind of the prism of
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: wokedom there. I mean, first of all, she was on
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: video saying it, so that made it more difficult for
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: them to weasel out of this. But if she had
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: done it, you know, I've reversed myself on fracking when
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: it came to transgender issues. She would have been afraid
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: of pissing off the perceived progressive base.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Now I don't think it really would have mattered.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Obviously would have been a better choice than to do nothing,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: which is essentially what they did. But Joe Scarborough used
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: this opportunity to try to bring at least a semblance
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: of rationality, and I thought this was telling that he
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, you.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Know what, enough of this bullshit.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: This was kind of like the old conservative congressmen coming
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: out like it's still deep, deeply embedded in Joe Scarborough's
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: DNA where he starts complaining about the anti free speech
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: environment on college campuses, where even his own daughter is
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: afraid to speak out for fear of being canceled. And
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: then the issue of men playing women's sports biological men
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: playing women's sports. And so this was interesting on a
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: couple of different levels. And that's what it sounds Here's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: what it sounded like on Morning Joe on MSNBC.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: The Washington Post, Matt By writes, some part I do
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: think the prosecutions that a narrative of Trump as a victim.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: I also think Democrats dug themselves into a hole on
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: cultural issues and identity politics. Trump's vicious transgender ad in
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: the closing weeks, She's for they them, He's for you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: was probably the most effective of the cycle. I think
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: that probably landed with a lot of traditionally Democratic voters
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: who feel like the party is consumed for the cultural
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: issues while the economic issues don't really change. I think
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: people needed a reason to feel good and hopeful about
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: voting for her, and absent that, a lot of frustrated
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: voters apparently decided to go with the guy who wants
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: to burn it all down.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: Let's dig a little deeper, because you.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 8: Have that stacked on top of what happened on college
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: campuses this fall stacked on top of what's been happening
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 8: on college campuses over.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: The past four or five years.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: I have said this on the air, and every time
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: I said it, people said, Oh, you're just saying that
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: because you're a white conservative. No, I'm just saying it
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: because every Democrat that we have ever sat down with
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: dinner with over the past five years who have kids
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: that go to colleges say their kids are afraid to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: speak in class because they'll be canceled.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: Let me say that again, and they're all Democrats.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: Everybody that we've had dinner with, if they have a
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 8: kid in college, you go, oll that sucks going and they're.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: Hitting beautiful day to day, wasn't it.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah. You know my daughter at University Virginia, she's afraid
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: to raise her hands in class because if she says
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: something that's politically incorrect, she will immediately be canceled. She'll
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: be shunned from class, she'll be destroyed in social media
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: by noon. So they just sit in class quiet. Now,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: If any of you, which cam but give me a
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 8: camber to look at boom.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: All look at that one.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 8: If any of you out there say, oh, that's just
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: like a conservative, white southern guy.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: Da da da. That's what you losing. That's what you're losing.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: Because that's what I heard, and I didn't hear it
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: from Republicans. I didn't hear it from Trumper's. I heard
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: it from Democrats over the past three.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: Or four years.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: Their kids were afraid to talk in plass and say
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: something unpopular because they would be canceled.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: And it's an epidemic.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: WILLI will tell you.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: It happens in New York City schools, it happens in colleges,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: and all of this adds up to people.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: Going, come on, come on, this is crazy.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: And Mike's having an impact from again the transad.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: To the athletics. And by the way, by the way.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 8: As we've said of the show a thousand times, Democrats
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: should be smarter on the women's athletics thing. Eighty five
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: percent of Americans oppose men transitioning after puberty and competing
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 8: against women. And I'm not just saying this the day
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 8: after the election. I've been saying this for years. This
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: is not a call. You can show compassion and you
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 8: can show grace, And as the Republican governor of Utah said,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: let's figure out a way to do this.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: But one way we don't do this is by allowing.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: Men who transition after puberty competing against young girls who
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: have been working their entire lives to be as good
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: as they can be, and then they get destroyed in
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: the pool, on the track, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Now, as far as the issue of biological males playing
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: female sports, I would be remiss if I did not
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: mention that there is a report that seems to be
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: credible that that Algerian boxer who won the gold medal
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: at the Olympics, after creating so much controversy because it
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: appears as if they were a biological male and had
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: previously been banned from boxing events because of their biology,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: that this boxer who won the female gold medal actually
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: has all the biological characteristics of a male, including a
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: semblance of testicles and a micro penis.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: So we now know that that's a male.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Biologically, and so the controversy over that was legitimate.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a trans issue.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: It was a issue of biology and somebody who clearly
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: had no business competing, especially in boxing, against biological females.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I did find it ironic that this came out right
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: on the eve of the election, because when you think
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: about this Algerian boxer having a semblance of testicles and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: a micro penis, it kind of made her sound like
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: one of those dudes for Harris, right, I mean, especially
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: white dudes for Harris. That's probably a good description of
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: the white dudes for Harris semblance of testical and a micropedis.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: This issue is not going away, and Scarborough is correct
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: to scold the liberal elites about this, but it's too late.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: This clearly played a significant role in this election, and
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: that commercial may have been in some ways, especially with
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: certain minority groups. The most impactful of any that was
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: played in the hundreds of millions of dollars in commercial
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: ads that were purchased. But when you talk about the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: media reaction to this, I mean there is no question
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: that the media is a huge loser here, especially the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: mainstream news media. And I will get to more on
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: that when we get to our list of winners and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: losers momentarily, but I do want to at least mention
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: that it is remarkable that as of this taping again
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, Kamala Harris has not yet conceded the election.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Now there are reports that she's going to do so
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: later in the evening, so by the time that you
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, it appears as if Kamala Harris
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: will have addressed the nation and conceded the election.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I'll be very curious to see what tone she takes.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you concede to somebody
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: who you basically called to nazi and a dictator and
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: is a threat to democracy, and now you know you're
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: going to help, hopefully with the proper transition of power.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm expecting that she's going to do that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: in a respectful and classy way.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: But I found it amazing that as of this morning,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Harris had not yet conceded an election that she very
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: clearly lost. And let's be as specific about this as
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I can be. I mean, this was not as close as,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: for instance, two thousand and four. I mean, there was
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: at least a semblance of rationality for why John Carey
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: took a long time of a similar amount of time
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: time to.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Concede to George W. Bush.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: This is an election that was pretty much the same,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: although really not as close as twenty sixteen, where Hillary
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Clinton did take. You know, she basically, Harris basically did
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton act. They abandoned their celebration. She did
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: not speak that night, but Hillary I don't remember exactly
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: what time she spoke, but she did speak the next day.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I think it was earlier than six pm on the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: East coast. But regardless, I just found it hilarious given
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: the narrative of the last four years around the twenty
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: twenty election, that Harris doesn't concede the night of the election. Trump,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: you know, gives essentially a very weird victory speech at
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: you know, two thirty in the morning in mar A Lago,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't have Harris to concede. I mean, you know,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: the way we used to do things in our democra,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: our democratic norms dictated that, you know, you wait for
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: the concession speech and then the winner gets their victory speech,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: because then there's no ambiguity and it's a true celebration.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: That's what happened in two thousand and eight. John McCain
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: got out there and gave.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: His concession speech that night, which freed up Obama to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: have his big celebration. Well, that did not happen, even
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: though it was very clear that Harris was going to lose.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I get you want to make sure and maybe you
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: want to sleep on it. But to me, anything after
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: this morning, shouldn't that based upon the rules that liberals
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: have created over the last four years. Shouldn't that be
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: considered election denial? I mean, isn't that election denial based
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: upon the rules that have been created by liberals over
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: the last four years? To me, it is what about
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: our democratic norms? This is a threat to democracy. She's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: not conceding she lost. Who knows what's going to happen
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: with her supporters without her saying that, you know, to
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: make it clear that she lost. I mean, even on Twitter,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: there was a Twitter trend that said, do not concede
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Kamala and or Kamala don't want to screw up her
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: day one more time we get called a racist, but
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: do not see Kamala was trending on Twitter. Well wait
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: a minute, hold on a second. That seems like election
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: denial to me. And look, I can't stand that Trump
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: never conceded the twenty twenty election and did not properly
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: participate in the transfer of power, didn't even show up
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: at the inauguration. I think that's low class and very unproductive,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: counterproductive against so much of what this country stands for.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think Trump, frankly gets enough criticism for that,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: even in the left wing.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Media because they're so obsessed with January.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I think not showing up to the inauguration was absolutely
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: classless and wrong and Unamerican, and I think Trump deserves
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: every criticism for that. But this seems awfully hypocritical to me.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: This seems awfully hypocritical that somehow Harris can get away
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: with waiting almost twenty four hours before she addresses the
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: nation and properly concedes. It certainly seems like election denial
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: to me. Now, I referenced that my wife last night
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: was very eager to recreate her premature victory dance from
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election. We discussed this when I interviewed
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: her on this podcast several months ago during the summertime,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: and you know, she was enthusiastic about it.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: It was a real dance.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: But I know for a fact that she wanted to
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: recreate what she did in twenty twenty because in twenty twenty,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: she went to bed thinking for sure that Trump had won,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: and she did her Trump victory And I told her.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Now this isn't over.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: There's going to be all these mail in ballots that
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: are going to come in from Liberals that are afraid
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: of COVID and they don't want to they don't want
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: to vote in person. So all the in person voting
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: is going to be Republican, all the mail in balloting
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: is going to be Democrat, and I think Biden's still
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: going to win here. Well, I think she was kind
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: of pissed that I turned out to be right, and
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: she's never wanted to accept that I was right because,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, as the husband, I'm always wrong, which is
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: why I'm pretty good at admitting when my predictions are wrong,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: because I'm very experienced at admitting when I'm wrong again,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: even sometimes when I'm not actually wrong, but in this case.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: I digress. So my wife gives the victory dance, and
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: not only does she do the victory dance, and she's
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: willing to do it because I'm now telling her that
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Trump has won. You know, this is just before she
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: I think she might have gone to bed and came
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: back and said, is it really over? I said, yeah,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: it's really over. Trump Trump's going to win. I already
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: tweeted that it's over. So even I'm accepting that it's over.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: So she does the victory dance, and then she says
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: something very interesting, very interesting.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: She says.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: And to me, this result makes me think that he
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: actually won in twenty twenty two, not twenty twenty two,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: but also twenty twenty And I kind of chuckled at that,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: and it was late at night, so I didn't want
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: to fight her on it. But I've also gotten a
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: text message from a good friend of mine who I respect,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: with basically the same message. And this is not a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: whack job, but this is someone who often does dabble
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: in a little bit of conspiracy theory, and they're giving
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: me the same argument that doesn't the result from twenty
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: twenty four prove that twenty twenty was somehow rigged or stolen.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: And look, I get that knee jerk reaction. I'm somebody
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: who always has said that George W. Bush winning Florida
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and four proved that he really won
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Florida in two thousand So I get the philosophy. It's
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: not totally irrational. However, I think we're comparing apples.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: And oranges here.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: I think that the Bush Florida comparison is much better,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: not just because it fits my argument, but because you're
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: dealing with the exact same set of circumstances. COVID was
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: obviously very unique, and the way we were voting was
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: very unique, and it was perfectly logical for why Biden
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: got all those votes overnight. That seems so suspicious to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Trump's supporters. I would flip this argument in the other direction,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: and I would say, and I've actually tweeted this, can
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: someone please explain to me? And I doubt my wife
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: will be able to, and I doubt my friend will
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: be willing or able to, well, please explain to me
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: how it is that Donald Trump in twenty twenty had
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: an election stolen from him as the incumbent president of
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: the United States of America, the most powerful position in
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: the world. So he's in the most powerful position in
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: the world in twenty twenty, and he has an election
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: stolen from him with no real evidence of this, not
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: that stood up in any court proceeding, but he has
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: that happened in twenty twenty, but in twenty twenty four,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: as a person who's out of power, not just out
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: of power, but he's a convicted felon, an out of
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: power convicted felon somehow wins a resounding victory.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: How did they let him win a resounding.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Victory as an effectively unemployed, convicted felon when they were
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: able to rig it against him in twenty twenty. How
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: does that make any fucking sad speople. It doesn't, because
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: it didn't happen that way. In twenty twenty. All the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: voting norms were totally changed. The rules were changed, and
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I've already explained exactly why it is that all those
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: Biden votes came in. Now, I think it's a legitimate
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: question as to, Okay, why were there so many more
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: votes in twenty twenty than there were in twenty twenty four,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Because you know, Biden famously got eighty one million votes.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: I've always said that that was really eighty one million
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: votes against Donald Trump. But Harris got nowhere near that
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: many votes, and there were a lot less votes cast.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: It appears.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: We don't know for sure, but it appears as if
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: there were a lot less votes cast in twenty twenty
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: four than in twenty twenty. And you know, my explanation
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: for that is that the rules were totally different. There
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: was a lot more universal mail in voting in twenty twenty.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: The country was.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Obviously going through an unprecedented situation, so people were motivated
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: in all sorts of different directions to vote. You had
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: the BML I don't know how I say, BLM BLM
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: back Black Lives Matter movement, with the George Floyd situation,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: you know, riots across the country, and so you have,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: you know, a combustible situation. People have nothing else to do.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: That's another part of this where everyone is very, very
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: focused on what's happening in the public sphere, whether it's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: the race, riots, or the COVID restrictions, or the presidential election,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about Trump?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: There was a lot more motivating people to vote, and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: there were a lot more ways to vote. It was
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: a lot easier for a lot of people. Not in
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: every part of the country, but in a lot of
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: the country it was a lot easier to vote because
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: of universal mail in ballot. And so to me, that's
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: a pretty good explanation for why there's a major difference
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: in the number of votes cast in twenty twenty as
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: opposed to twenty twenty four, and is not consistent with
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: this idea that somehow this proves that Donald Trump was robbed.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Of the twenty twenty election. So I'm not buying that.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: To me, you got to be consistent, and you got
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: at least have an explanation for how he got robbed
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: while president but didn't get it stolen from him.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Well, he's a convicted felon.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: That is very, very difficult for me to wrap my
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: brain around.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: All right, now, I.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Want to go to winners and losers, and there are
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of winners and there's a lot of losers
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: in this situation. Obviously Trump is the biggest winner, assuming
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: that he truly wanted to be president. I do believe
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: he wanted to be president this time around. I'm not
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure he wanted to be president in
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, but this time I feel like he wants
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: to be president. And you know, it's particularly appropriate that
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I'm calling this the winner and losers category because one
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: of my biggest objections to Donald Trump has always been
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: that I see him not as a winner but as
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: a loser. You know, in the last episode before the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: actual election, I spent about a half an hour on
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: this podcast explaining why I still cannot support Donald Trump
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: and have never voted for him. And the first thing
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I said was he's a loser. He lost the House
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, he lost the White House and the
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: Senate in twenty twenty. No modern president has ever lost
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: the House, the Senate, and the White House in four years.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: He opened us up to you a whole shitload of problems,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: not just during COVID but obviously during the Biden administration
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: because he he blew it and did not get to
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: serve his second term. He harmed the Republican Party, especially
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: in the Senate, where there were numerous seats that were
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: easily winnable, but thanks to his bad endorsements, Republicans lost.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: The twenty twenty two election was not nearly as good
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: as it should have been for Republicans. So up until
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: this election, one of my biggest objections is Trump as
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: a loser, because I'm a realist. Look, you have to
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: make compromises in life. We all know this, especially in
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: this day and age. There's nothing that's perfect right, that's
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: perfection is not possible. You know, you can't let the
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: perfect get in the way of the good or the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: better than what you would have otherwise, And so you know,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I'm an open minded person. You know, obviously I disagree
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: with Trump on a lot. I loathe him in a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: lot of ways. I don't think he's psychologically suited for
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: the presidency. I've gone through all that dozens of times
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: in many different forums. But if he's better than the alternative,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: and if in giving up your principles you get something
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: in return, I'm open to that bargain.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not happy about it, but I'm open to that.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: I was not open to that and not getting anything
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: in return, which is why I always put Trump's a
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: loser at the top of this list. Well, after last night,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: he's no longer a loser, even though I cannot claim
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is a clear loser because that victory
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: was substantial. Wasn't Reagan like, I don't want to go crazy,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: but it was real, It was substantial, It was in
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: some ways history making. It could have long term implications.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: You know, to win the popular vote is amazing. It
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: prevents Kamala Harris from ever being president. She will never
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: be president of the United States. And right, that's something
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: in return for selling out your principles to Donald Trump.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: So Trump is no longer a loser. I can now Look,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: who knows what's going to happen to the next midterm
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: election or what he might set up for twenty twenty eight.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: But as of right now that could change. But as
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: of right now, I could no longer call Donald Trump
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: a loser.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: He's a winner.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: The Republican Party as of this moment, and the ability
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: to stifle progressivism and socialism and everything that goes with
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: the modern Democratic Party, wokeism, all of that in theory,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: in theory, is in better shape than when he started.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: In theory, we'll see about the reality. I'm still very
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: got to go in cynical about what will happen, and
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: as usually the case, I'm a bit of a pessimist.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: But in theory, you cannot say that Trump currently has
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: things in a way worst position than when this whole
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: thing began, because when obviously when this began, Barack Obama
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: was president of the United States when Trump started to
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: run in twenty sixteen.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: So he's not a loser.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Now you know, he's not riggan yet either, but he's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: not a loser. So I have to acknowledge, and I'm
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: happy to do this. Look, I get this perception that
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: I hate Trump so much or I have TDS Trump's
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: arrangement syndrome, and it's that's why, you know, I predicted
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: this election wrong, and that's why I got twenty sixteen wrong.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. I think I'm incredibly
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: fair and open minded to Donald Trump. I think I've
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: given him every opportunity possible to change his ways. And
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: I use the Charlie Brown Lucy with the football metaphor earlier.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: I feel very much like that when it comes to
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Trump all the time, because you know, even after the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: assassination attempt, I'm like, Okay, could this be the moment
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: that makes Donald Trump become a real human and changes
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: the man when he faces death like that and comes
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: out the other side. And I saw no evidence that
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: that actually happened, or at least there was a little
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: bit of evidence of that early on, but as time
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: went on, it appears as if he hadn't changed at all.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm very open to changing my view of Trump
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: to a certain degree, and I now have because I've
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: gotten more information. That information is that Donald Trump won
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four presidential election in a decisive fashion
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: that ended Kamala Harris's career and has brought the Republican
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Party's ability to block liberalism, socialism, wokeism into a much
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: stronger position than it was just a couple of years ago.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: So you know, that's a positive.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: I fully acknowledged that, and in the short run, I'm
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: thrilled about it. Not as thrilled as my daughter's work
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: this morning, but I am very happy in the short
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: run that this has happened, and Trump deserves credit for
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: it because it's an absolutely amazing story. I mean, my god,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: just look at Trump's personal story and his journey politically
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: from twenty fifteen on. I mean, this is way beyond
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Rocky Balboa, way beyond Rocky Balboa. I mean that, you know,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: that's even if you just isolate the assassination attempt on
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: its own. I mean, to be shot in the head
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: and do what Trump did, and then to end up
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: winning an election against a different opponent they threw they
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: had to throw a different opponent at him, someone who
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: had never received a vote for president ever, in a
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: completely inappropriate and I believe, illegitimate maneuver, and he.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: Still ended up winning.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: But to overcome you know, COVID, you know, not that
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: the heat. I want to be clear, I hate the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: way you handle COVID, but I'm talking politically. They throw
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: COVID at him, they use that as a political weapon.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: And if you're going to make an argument that the
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty election was quote unquote rigged or stolen, that's
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: the rational argument. The COVID was used as a weapon
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: to take out Trump. That I a hundred percent by
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: and I think Trump deserves some blame for not understanding
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: that that was what was really happening. But when I
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: say it wasn't stolen or rigged, it wasn't from a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: from a technical perspective with regard to fake votes that
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Anyway, all the things that they threw
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: out Trump, you know, the COVID panic to try to
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: take him out, and you know, the overplaying their hand
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: on January sixth, and the second impeachment and then the
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: four indictments and the lawsuits and the civil suits.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: And you know, almost all of it was bogus. And
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: the conviction that was bogus.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, the assassination of the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: switching of Biden out after his convention, after he picked
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: the vice presidential nominee, all for a media darling like
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, the media against him, all guns of blazing,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: full blast. I mean, it is an unbelievable story that
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump returns to the White House now, and you
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: have to give him credit for the perseverance overcoming adversity.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: Most people would have given up a long time ago
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: against those kind of odds. And make no mistake, as
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: I've already referenced, this is a large part of why
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: he won because it makes him relatable and likable to
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: a large portion of the population that would normally not
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: vote for a Republican candidate.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: And by the way, based upon.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: The results as we currently see them in the Senate,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: while he has harmed the Republican Party in the Senate
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: in the past, I gotta give him credit. I think
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: that there were trump cottails because a lot of these
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Republican Senate candidates came from behind at the very last moment,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: and I don't fully understand why that is. It appears
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: to me as if two in Wisconsin and Michigan may
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: come up just a little bit short, but there's still
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: a possibility, if everything works out well, that Republicans could
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: have fifty four fifty five seats in the Senate. I
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen, but that's still possible.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: And you know, you've got to give it.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Trump at least some credit for that because he is
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: the Republican brand, and when I criticism criticize him all
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: the time, when Republicans lose because Trump is the Republican brand.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Has happened in twenty twenty two.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: And by the way, that's part of why I'm still
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit confused as to how twenty twenty four
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: is turning out so well for Republicans. Why didn't it
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: happen in twenty twenty two. I really don't understand what
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: is the big difference. I don't get it. I don't
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: even have a good theory as to what the deal
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: is other than maybe, you know, if you remember in
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, it was in New York and Florida
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: where the only places that Republicans really did have any
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: kind of a red wave. Well, you know, maybe those
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: were areas that reacted more quickly and more dramatically.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: To the COVID panic, because.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Those were states that were at opposite ends of the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: spectrum when it came to dealing with COVID. Obviously, New
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: York was very restrictive and Florida was very very open,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: and so you had a situation where Republicans were kind
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: of benefiting theoretically on both ends of that divide, but
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: the rest of the country hadn't yet fully evaluated what
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: happened with COVID. I think subconsciously that maybe there was
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: something to that as well, that maybe that hurt the
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: Democratic brand more than people are fully understanding. I hesitate
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: to come to that belief because I want to believe
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: that that's true, but it would be a theoretical explanation
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: for why Republicans are doing so much better in twenty
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: twenty four than twenty twenty two. But one of those explanations,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: being honest, being objective, being fair to Trump as I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: always am, is that Trump was on the ballot and
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: he was not on the ballot in twenty twenty two.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: So you know, that goes against one of my most
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: prominent and firmly held beliefs about Donald Trump that he's
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: a loser.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: He's not a loser. He's now a winner, and.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: It appears as if he's helping other people in the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Republican Party be winners. Too, and I think a large
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: part of it is this amazing personal story of perseverance.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, while I'm being fair to Trump, you
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: know his victory speech last night, well super weird.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: I mean it was wild.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, you get a seventy eight year old man
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: who's got to be exhausted af dur a long campaign,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: put him in front of a microphone after he's just
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: been elected president the United States, and do so at
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: two thirty in the morning.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: Some weird things are gonna happen. But if you haven't seen.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: It, I hurt you to check it out, especially the
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: five minute rant he did on Elon Musk and him
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: watching the rocket come back down to Earth. And I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: can't even really fully describe it. You got to watch
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: what Trump said. But here's what Trump did not say.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: And I found this to be amazing. And I'm not
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: even sure I could possibly be disciplined enough. And I
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: consider myself to be a pretty disciplined person. I don't
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: think I would be disciplined enough to not do what
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Trump didn't do, which is he did not attack his
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: enemies at all. No one, not Harris, not Biden, not
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: the people that tried to put him in prison.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who's.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: Campaign slogan at the beginning was I am your retribution.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I am your retribution. The liberal media constantly said, Harris
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: constantly said, if he's elected, he'll be obsessed with vindication
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: and retribution against his enemies.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: And I was open to that.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: But in his victory speech there was not one syllable
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: that was related to that, not one syllable. I mean,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: considering how much Trump would have reason to unload, I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: mean talk about vindication, by the way, just on the
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: law fair alone. I mean, he didn't even take the
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: opportunity to tell Jack Smith to go fuck himself. I mean,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Jack Smith is done. Now, you can't do this against
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: the sitting president. It's over the federal and probably all
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: but definitely the federal indictments against Trump are done.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: It's over. They lost. Trump won.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Now, maybe that was part of what motivated him to
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: run in the first place, which I don't think is
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: a legitimate reason to run when there were a lot
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: of other good candidates that could have been just as
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: good or better. Specifically ran de Santis, but to the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: victor goes to spoils. He won, and he did not
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: take de bait on that. I was amazed, so the
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: idea that somehow Trump is really going to be obsessed
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: with retribution and vindication and attacking his enemies.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: At least in his victory.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Speech at through thirty in the morning, there was no
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: evidence of that. Whether that'll maintain itself with Trump, you
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: never have any idea, but I found that to be
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: interesting and impressive. Now will he be different this time
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: as president?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Who knows I've.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Been full before. I'm going to give him every opportunity.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's got more interesting people around him. Some
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: of them will be good, some of them will be bad.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: That's my always been my second concern about a Trump
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: presidency two point zero. Who's going to be around him?
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: Is this going to be the d team?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Because we had a completely different set of people around
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: in the first time. Now I realize Trump fans are
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: actually looking forward to this. They think he was restricted
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: by the swamp the first time around. I don't buy
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: that narrative at all, But this is going to be
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: very interesting to see who's going to be in his cabinet,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: who's going to be close to him, who's going to
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: really be running the show. Because I'm very afraid that
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of these people are going to be whack
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: a doodles who are completely unqualified. And I'm sure there's
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: going to be some of that, but I'll save that
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: for another day. I'm going to go through the list
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: of winners now and second to Donald Trump, and it
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: might not even be second to Donald Trump. The biggest
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: winner here has got to be Elon Musk, and I
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: think you can make a very very strong argument that
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk is the main reason why Donald Trump won.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk was, you know, to use a spaceship by
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: guest metaphor the wind beneath Donald Trump's wings. I don't
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: think without Elon Musk, donald Trump wins. And it's not
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: just because of his resources, it's not just because of
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: his energy, it's not just because Twitter absolutely played a
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: role in this. I've always been skeptical as of the
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: power of Twitter when it comes to influencing elections because
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: I've always perceived that the people on Twitter are partisans
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: and no one's ever changing their mind because of Twitter.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: But I'm sorry if Elon Musk is not owning Twitter
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: or x And that's the biggest difference in the media
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, Elon Musk doesn't
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: control Twitter. In twenty twenty, Trump loses. Elon Musk controls Twitter.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, Trump wins. Again, It's correlation, not causation.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: But I think that you can draw a pretty straight
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: line there that that had an influence. So Musk deserves
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: enormous credit. I think that some of Musk's magic kind
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: of got transferred to Trump. I think that subconsciously that
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: probably helped him with a lot of swing voters because
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: I think people feel more comfortable with the idea that
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: a guy who's super smart and has done a lot
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: of great things is clearly going to be a big
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: part of this administration. Now, when you're talking about winners
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: and losers, I got to mention that at least one
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: report on CNN this morning indicates that Elon Musk's net
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: worth has already increased twelve billion dollars because of Trump's victory. Now,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's going to go up and down, and
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: who knows how accurate that is, but there's no question
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: that Musk's investment Trump paid off enormously, which is kind
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: of ironic since this is a guy who's most well
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: known for creating Tesla, an electric car company, and you know,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Trump is not exactly on board totally with electric cars.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: We'll see how that all turns out.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: There's already speculation that the Musk Trump relationship is doomed
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: to failure eventually, given the nature of their personalities. I
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: could certainly see that happening. I hope it does not
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: right now. You know, obviously their their bosom buddies, and
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: if they use each other properly and they you know,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: they compliment each other properly, it could be a great relationship.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: I think it will be the key, just like it
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: was the key to Trump winning. It could be the
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: key to how his next term and only term left
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: in office actually transpires, the relationship between Elon Musk and
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And even though I have hesitations about Elon Musk,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: I feel better about a Trump presidency if Elon Musk
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: is an integral part of it. Not that I have
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: total faith at Elon Musk. I think he's a bit
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: of a nut and he's got, you know, some vulnerabilities,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: and I think he's spread too thin, and he's not
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: always right about everything. And you know, he's clearly got
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: Asperger syndrome. Whether that's positive or negative, I don't know, but.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: There are concerns.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: I have a Musk, but I'll take Musk over a
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: lot of the other nut jobs that could be in
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: that situation. And I would certainly love must to have
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: the ability to go after government waste one hundred percent
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: as well as driving innovation and the creation of businesses.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: So Musk could be the MVP not just of the
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: general election, but of Trump's term in office at least hopefully.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: Another winner on this list has got to be jd Vance.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Jd Vance and Trump even alluded to this in his
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: victory speech. At first, was not seen as a very
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: good vice presidential pick. Even I was a bit skeptical
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: and kind of disappointed. I went with it because Steve
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Cortez has worked with jd Vance and he loves jd Vance,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: and I respect Steve enough to give jd more than
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: the benefit of doubt based upon the endorsement of Steve Cortez.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: And I think Steve Cortez turned out to be right,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: because as it went along, jd Vance grew on me.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: He did a good job, not as great a job
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: as I think some other people think. But a really
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: good job in the debate against Tim Waltz. You can
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: certainly argue that that kind of changed the tide, at
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: least the tone and the tenor of the campaign.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: But JD.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Vance's stock has gone way up. He's now going to
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: go from being a senator from Ohio to the vice
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: president of the United States. I think he'll be an
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: active vice president because Trump clearly respects his brain, so
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be a wallflower. And
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: most importantly, we are headed into an unprecedented situation in
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: the modern history of America, which is that we have
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: a president who's going to take office as an instantaneous
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: lame duck Trump and only serve one term in office.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: We've never had that in modern history.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: So effectively, the twenty eight presidential campaign, the twenty twenty
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: eight presidential campaign is going to start like in February
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: of next year, which is a negative, but you know,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: from from a consumer perspective, we're all going to be
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: exhausted and then we're gonna have to start I guarantee
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: you a media stories about the twenty twenty eight campaign
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: are going to start up very soon, certainly by February
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: of March of next year, because we're you know, both
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: parties are going to have open nominations. You know, despite
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: what the media might tell you that somehow Trump is
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: gonna leave office, he's going to be a fascist dictator
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: and we'll never have elections again, that's not going to
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: be the case. I see absolutely no evidence that that's
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: going to be the case, and so nor do I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: think at Trump's age even is interested in this. He's
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: gotten his vindication, he'll get his second term, and hopefully
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: he'll do a good job. But obviously, on unless there
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: is a massive Mike Pence like falling out, JD. Vance
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: is going to be the Republican presidential nominee in twenty
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: twenty eight.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: That's the reality of it.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no scenario unless there is a falling
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: out between Vance and Trump, which is always possible, there
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: is no scenario where JD. Vance is not the Republican
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: presidential nominee. So when you think about the future, JD.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: Vance may have been one of the biggest winners last night,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: who knows, in the long term, he could have been
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: the biggest winner if he turns out to be the
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: president United States in twenty twenty eight, which is certainly
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: theoretically possible and serves two terms that would certainly be
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: a huge, huge victory, which could only be possible because
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Trump won last night. If Trump loses last night, I
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: think JD. Vance is a senator from Ohio for the
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: rest of his career, maybe makes a run for president
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: the future, but he doesn't have nearly the same cachet
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: or street cred, and Trump doesn't have the same power,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: or the Trump name or the Trump era doesn't have
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: the same power going into the future that it currently does.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: By the way, I've mentioned this previously, I will just
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: mention one more time. The downside here when it comes
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: to this amazing victory by Trump is that we now
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: have a demigod within the Republican Party for as long
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: as Trump lives and maybe long after he dies. I mean,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: that's how powerful Trump's name is going to be because
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: of this remarkable story. It's religious, it's epic, it's like
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: a Greek mythology. I mean, so for the Trump fan
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, which is a huge portion of the Republican Party, now,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: whatever Trump says goes and telling him no in any
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: context is going to be next to impossible. Which is
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: problematic and one of the reasons I still have hesitation
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: about Trump. But that's another sorry for another day. As
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: far as winners and losers, there's a few people that
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: are on both lists, and one of them is Ron DeSantis.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Rond de Santis was yet again a winner in Florida
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: last night. Trump won easily. Uh Desanta's won on both
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: Amendment three and Amendment Amendment four, the marijuana and abortion amendments.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: He has turned the formerly purple state of Florida into
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: a reliably red state, and he is He didn't do
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: so single handedly, but he deserves an awful lot of
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: credit for that happening. However, it's hard to see how
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: he has a presidential political career into the future at
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: this point. Now, again, if Vance and Trump have a
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: major falling out with Trump, it's always possible, then that
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: would certainly open things back up. But there is no
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: clear path for Ron DeSantis to ever be president of
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: the United States.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: I know he's a young man. A lot of things
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: can happen, but I'm just saying.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: Currently there's no clear path because Advance blocks it. In
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: twenty eight Advance wins, then obviously thirty two is not
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: an option. By that point, the Santus is out of
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: office for a very long time. He's old news. People
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: don't even remember COVID at that point, and so well,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of life left to live,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: and you never know what's going to happen.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: It appears as if there's no clear path. There's no clear.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: Path for Rond de Santis to be President of the States,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: which is a shame.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: It's one of the.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Costs of the Trump nomination and the Trump presidency that
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: I've always accepted as real, but now it truly is real.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: If Trump had lost, there at least would be a
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: theoretical path.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: It would have been difficult, but it would have existed.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: That path currently does not exist for Rond de Santis.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: And by the way, when you're.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: Talking about the Santis, you have to talk about COVID.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: I've already referenced it, maybe subconsciously. Twenty twenty four's election
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: results had something to do with a delayed response to
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: the whole COVID panic and how it may have hurt
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: the Democratic brand. I do think that there's a COVID
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: related economic irony in these results that needs to at
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: least be mentioned I mean, because Trump is kind of
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: benefiting or kind of benefited from a mess that he created,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: and I.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: Think it's important to at least acknowledge that.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, the reality here is that the economic despair
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: that exists in the country is there because of the
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: COVID panic and the overreaction and the inflation that was
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: directly caused by the COVID lockdowns. So, I mean, almost
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: all of our economic ills can be directly traced to
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: the COVID panic.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: Now, the Biden.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: Administration one hundred percent exacerbated that and did none of
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: the things that could have caused that to be abated.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: But it started with Donald Trump.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: There's one hundred percent fault to be had on Donald
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: Trump's part when it came to massive spending and the
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: lockdowns and eventually the inflation being caused by things that
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Trump either did or allowed to have happened or enabled
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: happening during.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: The COVID panic.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: So it's very odd, ironic nobody.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: Has mentioned this.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: I don't even think the Democrats have done a good
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: job at all of articulating this narrative. They tried a
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: couple times, but there's no doubt that Trump benefited in
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: this election, at least in part from the negative economic
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: conditions that he helped facilitate because of the COVID panic.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: That's a fact, that's a reality. Now back to the
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: winners from last night. I've already referenced this, but it's
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: certainly worthy of mentioned again. I think Clarence Thomas and
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: sam Alito are winners here. Certainly they're a vacation home
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: real estate brokers ought to be winners here, because you
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: would think that Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito are now
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: going to be able to happily retire. They both deserve it.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: They're both at the age where that should happen as
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices, and I would be shocked and frankly disappointed,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: not just for them personally, but also from a strategic
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: standpoint if Clarence Thomas and sam Alito did not retire
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: before the next midterm election, because you're never going to
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: have a better situation than to have Donald Trump, who's
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: gone through this process three times before, and well, they
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: haven't been perfect picks, they were at least decent picks.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: Choosing a replacement for Clarence Thomas and sam Alito with
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: a significant manageable majority in the US Senate. So now's
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: the time, and I hope they take this opportunity, and
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: I hope they have a very good retirement. One of
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: the weirdest winners of this old thing. And I had
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: not even thought about this until I saw a story
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: just before I started taping may come.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: In the realm of golf.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: Rory McElroy has said that he believes that Trump's election
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: may help facilitate a merger between the PGA Tour and
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: live golf. And I'm not sure that this is the truth,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: but it's weird that Rory McElroy has said it publicly.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: It this does go to this issue that I was
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: one of the very few to bring up, which is
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: how in the world has Trump's conflict of interest with
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: regard to the Saudi's not been a major campaign issue
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: or actually referenced that as what a great relationship Trump
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: has with the Saudis. Obviously, Trump's golf courses have been
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: used by the Saudis in live golf events, and so
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: this is one of the stranger side effects of Trump's
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: victory that Rory McRory believes that this merger that I
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: have been predicting will happen. Has not happened, and I've
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: predicted it only because of my reading of the tea leaves,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: which may have not been correct. Of the way that,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: for instance, Bryson D. Chambeau, who was on stage with
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: Trump last night, a live golfer who won the US Open,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: was on stage with Trump during his victory speech. I
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: thought that the media tea leaves there indicated to me
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: that there must be something in the works. It's not
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: come to fruition as of yet, but Rory Macroy thinks
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: that Trump's victory may help facilitate that. So that's something
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: to I don't know what to look forward to or
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: at least keep in mind going forward as the the
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: ripple effect of the Trump victory starts to be felt
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: in a much more significant way. I do want to
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: at least mention that I do think that America wins
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: in the short run here, at least in the short run,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: at least for a lot of people like myself who
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: have been very, very concerned about the state of the country,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: the direction of the country. This is not going to
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: be a miracle fix. But to me, the biggest positive
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: of Trump's victory, the biggest winner here, is that we
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: now know that at least a small majority of Americans
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: don't believe in the Kamala Harris view of the world,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: at least not enough to vote for her. That they
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: believe in a view of America that is at least
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: somewhat traditional, that doesn't buy into wokeness, that doesn't buy
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: into socialism, that doesn't buy into some of the in
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: in sanity that we've seen from the left. That to
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: me is maybe the most important part of this whole thing.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: I've said that continually during this election. I don't want
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: to live in a country that thinks Kamala Harris would
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: be a good president. One just from the standpoint of
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: evaluating her from an intelligence perspective, from a policy standpoint,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: from the standpoint of her career and why not she
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: earned this position and how she got the nomination. That's
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: not a country that I would be proud to live in.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: And so it was almost more important to me that
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: we find out where the country stands than who got elected.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: And what we.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: Found is that there is still some cavalry out there.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: There's a cavalry. Now, it may not look like the
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: cavalry that a lot of us were hoping for, and
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: they didn't show up in twenty twenty two, but there
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: does seem to be a cavalry to some degree out
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: there of people who have traditional, basic American values, and
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: that gives.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Me some hope for the future.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: I'm still very wary about where this is going to
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: head with a second Trump term, but at least there's hope.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: We're not dead yet. I guess that's the headline.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: We're not dead yet as a country, and the fact
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: that it has to manifest itself in the form of
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: the election of a guy who I don't think is
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: fit for the office.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: That's unfortunate, but that's the best option.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: We had, and it's better at least in the short
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: run than the alternative. Of course, the price people like
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: me will have to pay for that is that Trumpsters
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: will now be insufferable for life.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: For life.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: Trump is God until they die, and long after he dies.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be horrible, especially for someone
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: like me as an anti Trump conservative. It's actually done
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: a lot more to try to help Trump than most
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: people know, for understandable reasons. But you know, like I
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: said earlier in the podcast, I'll reference them maybe later on,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: maybe next week. But the Trumpsters will be absolutely insufferable
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: for life. I mean a lot of these people are
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: not my favorite people to begin with, regardless of their
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: beliefs about Trump. But now you know, after two wins,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: there'll be no dealing with them forever and ever and ever.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: So that's a negative. So I guess I'll put myself
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: on the loser list because of what I'll have to
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: deal with in social media until I stop using social media,
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: all because of Trump's victory.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: As far as the losers.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: Are concerned, obviously, Kamala Harris is a massive loser here.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: I mean when you think about her life, I mean,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: she woke up yesterday morning, she probably thought for herself,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: or at least was being told by people very close
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: to her that she trusted that she was going to
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: be the first female president in American history, a place
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: in history that obviously, you know, can never be removed.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're basically Barack Obama two point zero first
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: female president that had to be at least her expectation.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: And people were kissing her ass, and celebrities are kissing
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: her ass, and you know, she's a goddess and she
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: could be president for eight years and historic figure and
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: now not only is all that gone, but in two
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: months she's unemployed and the only talking about rohnd de
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: Santis having no path. The only path she has politically
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: is to run to replace Gavin Newsom as the governor
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: of California in twenty twenty six. I have no idea
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: if she's interested in doing that, but that would be
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: the only path I see.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: If she decides she doesn't want to run for governor.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: Here in California in twenty twenty six, she has no
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: path if she thinks.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: And that's what's going to be interesting.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: See, she's gonna have to make that decision about governor
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: before the twenty twenty eight presidential election. I think she
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: may end up screwing herself because she's probably gonna think
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: that she can run for president in twenty twenty eight
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: and win the you know, the Democratic nomination. Traditionally, that
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: ain't gonna work. That is not going to work. So
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: I think she may end up being completely toasted politically
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: if she understood that she can't win the Democratic nomination
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight, because they're not going to run
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: someone who just got their butt kicked, especially with you know,
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: when they showed themselves to not be a great candidate.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: Now she could have a viable candidacy.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: She would be a legitimate candidate, and you know, might
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: be one of the top two or three contenders. But
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think she wins a contested primary, and there
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: would be a contested primary.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: By the way, Gavin Newsom.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: Would be one of those that would be likely to
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: contest that primary, and he wouldn't have a loss on
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: his record, and he wouldn't have what is now going
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: to be a phobia on the left about putting up
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: a female candidate. After losing with Hillary and losing with Kamala,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: they're going to be very hesitant. Now I still think
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: a woman might win it. I think Whitmer from Michigan
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: might have a shot. This is way too soon to
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: be getting into this, but folks, I'm telling you this
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: talk is going to start almost right after the inauguration
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five because of the fact that that
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: Trump is turned out. But Harris is in a very
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: tough spot politically. She either has to acknowledge she cannot
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: win the nomination in twenty twenty eight and run for
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: governor of California, in which case, you know, she could
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: do a Richard Nixon and theoretically make a comeback. I
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: doubt that would happen because I don't think she's capable
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: or you know, she's gonna let it all ride and
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: trying to win another shot at the nomination, and.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: I just don't think that would work for her.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: So she goes from the top of the heap to
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: borderline political wilderness.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: Does Kamala Harris?
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: And similarly Tim Wallas goes from you know, being vice
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: president of the United States to now going back to
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: Minnesota where eventually he'll be unemployed.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: He's going to be worse than.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: Tim Kaine two point uh because at least Tim Kaine,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's vice presidential nominee is in the US Senate Waltz,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: who I think was a major major mistake. I mean,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: that is one of the biggest mistakes that Harris made.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think subconsciously it played a role in
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: this campaign, not just because she didn't pick Josh Shapiro,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: which hurt her in Pennsylvania, but I just think when
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: your number one decision is particularly magnified because because you
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: you know, were helicoptered in as the nowminee, you have
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: no history of actual decisions. You didn't even make decisions
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: during your primary campaign, so I think there's more focus
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: on who you chose as your VP.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: And he was a bad choice.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: He was a bad choice strategically, and he was a
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: bad choice as a candidate.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: He turned out to be a bad candidate. He lost
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: the debate to JD. Vans.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: He had all sorts of issues with lying about his
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: entire life history and record and career, and he did
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: not appeal to mail voters at all. I predicted that
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: because I think, you know, having a Putts like Tim
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: Waltz be totally subservient to a woman of color, which
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: was what his job was on the campaign, is not
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: a way to appeal to men. And it's obvious that
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: Waltz did nothing but repel men from the Kamala Harris
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: Tim Waltz ticket.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: So Waltz is a big loser here.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden is probably someone who belongs on the winner list.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I'm gonna mention him under the
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: losers because you know, in theory, Kamala Harris was supposed
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: to be his legacy, right. Her winning was supposed to
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: vindicate his selfless decision to get out of the race.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: But in the real world, I got to believe.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: That Joe Biden is at least partially happy this morning,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: to the extent that he fully understands what happened. I
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: got to believe that Biden is feeling a bit of vindication.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he really thinks of Harris.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, he has to be at least a little
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable with her because he's the one that shows
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: her as VP.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: It was a DEI selection.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: He was kind of forced into it because of the
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: George Floyd situation and the nature of his party.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: Were demanding a female and a woman of color is
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: better than a normal female, and so he decided to
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: give them both.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: That's why she got the gig as vice president.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: And I think he probably believes she played some role
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: in the coup against him. The coup against him clearly
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: was done on her behalf, So there has to be
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: at least some level of distrust there. And you know,
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: Biden also now gets to stick at to Nancy Pelosi,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: who's a big loser here.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: She's absolutely on the loser list. I mean, Nancy Pelosi ordered.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: A code read on the President of the United States
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: because she thought that Kamala Harris would have a better
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: chance of beating Donald Trump than Joe Biden would, and
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: that turned out to be false, because there is no
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: way even a debilitated Joe Biden does any worse than
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris did none. There's no way to rationalize these numbers.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden, he might not have done any better. He
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: would not have done any worse than Kamala Harris. And
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: to a certain degree, you gotta believe Joe Biden is like.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: I told you. I told you guys, I told.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: You she wasn't gonna do any better than me, because
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: remember he actually said that in one of his last
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: press conferences before he gave up the car keys, he
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: said he would withdraw if he thought someone had a better.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: Chance than him, but that he didn't think that that.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: Person existed, which the media could have used as an
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: attack on Harris.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: They decided to ignore it. But that was his belief
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: and it turned out he was right.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: So, you know, boy, wouldn't it be awesome to get
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: an honest interview with Joe Biden this morning or at
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: any point after this election. I doubt we're ever gonna
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: get one. But that would get the popcorn ready for that.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: If you ever put some truth serum in Joe Biden
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: and him caught him at the right time, that would
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: be absolutely hilarious. By the way, we should be on
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: part and watch for Hunter Biden, right, I mean, there's
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: two months he said he wasn't going to do this.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: He didn't say it, his press secretary said it, which
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: is meaningless in this day and age. But you know,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: supposedly Hunter Biden was not going to get a pardon
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: or a commutation from Dad. But there's nothing keeping Biden
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: from doing that now, nothing at all.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: There's no price to be paid.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: At all, because you're not even gonna make Harris look
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: bad as she takes office.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: So we should all.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: Be on pardon watch for Hunter Biden. We'll see probably
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: a Christmas Eve or something like that, there'll be a
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: pardon of some sort from Joe Biden to his son Hunter. Well,
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: you cannot do a list of losers here without talking
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: about the news media. You know, for obvious reasons, the
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: news media has now lost all perception of credibility, influence,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: and power. They threw everything they had at Donald Trump.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: It not only failed, it appears to have backfired.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: They could not.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: Drag Kamal Aarras through the finish line. Elon Musk tweeted
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: out early this morning, you are the media now, and
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: there's positives and negatives to that. I'm not someone who
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: favors a completely populist media world, but that's where we're headed.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's just amazing to see what happened
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, where the news media chose
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: the Democratic candidate in Barack Obama, they discarded the favorite
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: in Hillary Clinton. Said sorry, no, Hillary, it's not yours anymore.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: We're taking it away from you. We're giving it to
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: Barack Obama because he's black, and he's exciting.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: And he's historic.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: So sorry, your female gender doesn't matter here. We're going
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: with the black guy. And then they not only give
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: him the nomination, they give him an overwhelming victory in
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: the general election.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: And that's two thousand and eight.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: I did a documentary about it called mediamal Practice. Obama
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: got elected, and now here we are in twenty twenty four,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: and while they don't have as good a material to
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: work with, Kamala Harris is no Barack Obama.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: She's not absolutely horrendous. I mean, she looks the part.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: She can at least speak, She's got a decent voice,
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: theoretically a good background, even though it was all DII
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: related and handed to her.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was enough there to work with, and
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: the media couldn't get it done.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: They couldn't even come close to getting it done against
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: the historically unpopular twice impeached, convicted felon in Donald Trump,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't even come close to getting it done.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to argue that the news media has
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: anywhere near the same kind of influence they used to have.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: Even just in two thousand and eight, it's all gone.
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  Speaker 1: They've lost their credibility, they've lost their audience, they've lost
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: their power.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: It's almost enough to make you think, well, why do
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: we need.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: The Death of Journalism podcast? I'm wondering that myself this morning,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: because it's over for the news media. They're definitely on
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: the list of losers, as are posters in general and
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: Ann Seltzer in particular. Oh my god, ann Seltzer, who
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: was a hero to liberals over the weekend because of
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: her Iowa poll for the Des Moines Register, got completely
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: humiliated as Iowa went for Trump exactly as everyone had
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: previously expected that it would. She had Trump and only
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: forty four percent, losing to Harris by three points.
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  Speaker 2: And for three days she was a liberal hero.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: And now you know, she's completely obliterated her credibility.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: For all time, for all time.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: But I think posters in general have bliterated their credibility.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm someone who's worked in the polling industry many many
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: many years ago for Quinnipiac University briefly as a polling analyst.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: I've commissioned three major news making polls myself. I talk
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: about polls all the time.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: I have.
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  Speaker 1: Up until today, I have had a pretty high level
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: of trust in the general polling industry.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: But no longer.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, three straight times you get it wrong on Trump.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: You have two opportunities to correct your mistakes, and you're
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: either unwilling or unable to do it. I'm sorry, full
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: me three times I'm out. So my skepticism for polling
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: is at an all time high. And I'm someone who,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: up until now has been a proponent of polling. I've
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: defended pollsters. I feel like an idiot now for doing that.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: I cannot believe that this industry has allowed this to
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: happen for a third straight time, clearly under evaluating and
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: under reporting the level of support for one candidate, Donald Trump.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: Now I get it's not easy, but by the third
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: time you ought to have it figured.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: Out, and polsters have not.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: And in this realm, another guy like Ann Seltzer, who
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: had a lot of credibility who's now lost it is
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: John Ralston, a very famous reporter in Nevada who had
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: never missed a presidential prediction in Nevada ever, and totally
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: got this wrong. Trump is going to win Nevada fairly easily,
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: it looks like and Ralston predicted by a small margin,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: much like I did, that Harris would win Nevada. So
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Ralston was wrong in Nevada, Seltzer was wrong in Iowa.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: Those are two things that.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: Had never happened before, and the whole polling industry I
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: will now have no ability to retort against people who
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: claim they don't have any believe in polls.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: I get it, I understand it now.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'll completely ignore poles in the future,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: but I will look at them with a much higher
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: level of scrutiny and skepticism.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: And cynicism.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: One last item for the loser list celebrity endorsers, endorsers
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  Speaker 1: in general. I mean, I've been saying this for a
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: long time. The endorsement is dead, but my god, the
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: celebrity endorsement, even the Liz Cheney endorsement, meant nothing. By
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: the way, you probably ought to put never Trump conservatives
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: like myself, I guess on the loser list. I'm not
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure that the Liz Cheney's and the
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: Lincoln projects of the world are losers, but certainly Liz
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: Cheney goes from someone who would have been in the
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: Harris administration and now is in total political wilderness, no
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: political future whatsoever. But on the other hand, I'm skeptical
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: to put the never Trump conservative frauds in the loser
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: category because they actually wanted Trump to win. That's the
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: great frustration and irony of the grifting class of political commentators.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: If Trump had lost and had gone away, their entire reason.
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  Speaker 2: For existing goes away.
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  Speaker 1: These anti Trump frauds that turned into total liberals, especially
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: after COVID and exposed themselves as grifters and frauds. People
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: like my former friend Joe Walsh's probably the worst.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: Of all of them.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: But at least Joe Wall still has Donald Trump to
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: knock around and have some reason to be asked on
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: television as a former Republican congressman who's attacking Donald Trump. Well,
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: that entire strategy by the Harris campaign did not work.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there were lots of suburban moms
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: who voted for Harris who normally would vote Republican, but
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: by and large, that appeal did not work on so
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: called moderate Republicans and the entire former Republican class, the
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: Liz Cheney and the former Trump administration officials, the Joe Walshes,
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: the Lincoln projects, those people did not have any influence.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: What that means for them in the future, I think
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: is still up in the air.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: But clearly their anti endorsement meant nothing, and celebrity endorsements
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: meant nothing. In fact, maybe it had a negative impact
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: because it helped create this idea that the entire elite
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: establishment was out to get Trump, and specifically among celebrity endorsers.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: I've already referenced this, but I'll do another.
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  Speaker 1: Mia Copa on It was Taylor Swift's endorsement. You know,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: all she did was an Instagram post which was way
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: less than I expected her to do, and it did
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: not seem to have much, if any, real influence. It
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: certainly did not have any influence in the Blue Wall
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: states in a way that you know, kept Harris from
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: ming forced to give up the Blue Wall and have
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: the election lost because she lost Pennsylvania, Michigan, in Wisconsin.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: So I was wrong about even the Taylor Swift endorsement
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: having any real impact, and I think in the future
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: the celebrity endorsement you gotta think is dead because it's
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: clearly not having any positive impact at all. Now, speaking
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: of Taylor Swift, I do want to mention one other
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: story before we end this episode of the podcast, and
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: I referenced it in the last episode, but I got
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit more information and I have some reaction
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: now to the original story, and I'm referencing what happened
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: over the weekend with Jason Kelcey, obviously the brother of
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, Taylor Swift's boyfriend, when he was attending the
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: penn State Ohio state football game and he got into
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: a confrontation with an asshole who was calling him the
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: F word because his brother or actually calling I guess
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: his brother.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: The F word for having dated Taylor Swift.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: It's just a dumb thing, totally inappropriate, totally wrong defending
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: the jackass at all, and he should have been condemned
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: for what he did in confronting Jason Kelcey, who I like,
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: in a public place where he wasn't making himself, you know,
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: open for people to do this. He wasn't provoking this
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: in any way. He was just trying to get to
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: the game. So I totally get that people have initial
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: sympathy for an empathy with Jason Kelcey for this episode,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: but I am mystified as to how Jason Kelcey is
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: not being held accountable at all for his reaction to
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: this very inappropriate attack on him and his brother verbally,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: because what happened was he took the guy's cell phone,
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: he smashed it to the ground, breaking an important piece
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: of property that has some significant value. And then, most
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: astonishingly with regard to the lack of even liberal reaction
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: to Jason Kelcey, was that he then said to the
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: guy three times, who's the F word now?
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: Who's the F word now? Who's the F word now?
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: And he did so angrily and clearly in a very
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: negative context with the use of the F word. And
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: that's a word that can be used in very different contexts,
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: but this was clearly a very negative context. And in
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: the past in the sports world, the use of the
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: F word has come with it major ramifications and accountability
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: of Justin Thomas, PGA Tour golfer a couple of years ago,
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: very quietly called himself the F word when he missed
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: a putt. He was clearly not meaning it in a
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: homophobic fashion, yet he lost major endorsements. I think he
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: had to go to sensitivity training over it.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: There's a major pause in his career.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: It was a crisis, and he didn't do anything close
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: to what Jason Kelsey did. And Jason Kelsey has way
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: more endorsements, mainstream endorsements than Justin Thomas did at the time.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: And there was a I don't remember all the details,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: but there was a Boston Red Sox player who I
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: think got suspended for something that was nowhere near as
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: clear cut with regard to the F word as what
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey did. And there's been no negative reaction to
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey at all in the media or in the
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: public or really been on social media. And I gotta
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: believe it's because of the Taylor Swift connection. Obviously his
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: personal popularity as part of it, but he is under
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: the umbrella of protection from Taylor Swift because you go
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: after Jason Kelce, the Swifties are going to come after you.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: And because she is obviously the queen of the club
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: right now and Jason's in the club of media elites,
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: you don't go after him unless you know you have
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: no other choice, and so they're not going after Jason Kelce.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: And I guess he.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 1: Kind of got lucky here because he works on Monday
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: Night Football on ESPN in the pregame show, and as
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: fate would have it, the Chiefs with his brother Travis
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: Kelce were playing Monday Night and Taylor Swift was attending
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: the game because it was in Kansas City, and so
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: as part of the pre game, they gave Jason Kelsey
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to respond without any details, just hey, Jason,
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: you want to say something about what's been going on
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: in your life, basically, and Jason Kelsey gives this seemingly
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: heartfelt but very vague, and it wasn't even an apology.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you would call it, but he
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't take responsibility directly for the things that he did.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: He doesn't reference the F word at all, doesn't indicate
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: that he's gonna make retribution to the person whose property
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: he destroyed. And then after what I fell was a
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: pretty half assed statement with regard to apology or accountability,
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: those on the panel with him all immediately go, oh, yeah,
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: where'd you go?
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: Oh that was awesome?
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: Well, why did they have such a soft reaction in Well,
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: it's because of Taylor Swift, because he's under the protection
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: of Taylor Swift. Think about this as the mafia, and
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: no one wants to go after anybody who's connected to
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. So Taylor Swift's umbrella of protection is that
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: powerful that Jason Kelsey gets the kid glove treatment when
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: other people would have gotten destroyed over this, even if
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: they were wronged to begin with. I fully acknowledge that
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: part of the equation.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: But here's what that sounded.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 9: Like on ESPN GHAA field Here, Arrowheads Stadium and I
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 9: am Scott Vampa alongside Ry Clark, Marcus Spears and Jason
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 9: and guys, we have a weekend full of NFL action
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 9: that we want to get to. And obviously we have
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 9: a significant game to talk about as well with the
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 9: Ragny two time champs who have not lost, and we
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 9: will get to all of that. But Jason, I know
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 9: you've got some stuff on your mind, and I want
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 9: to give you the floor to say which is on
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 9: your mind?
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, listen, I think everybody's seen on social
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 10: media everything that took place this week. That's what I'm listen.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 10: I'm not I'm not happy with anything that took place.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 10: I'm not proud of it. And you know, in a
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 10: heated moment, I chose to greet hate with hate, and
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 10: I just don't think that that's a productive thing. I
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 10: really don't. I don't think that. You know, it leads
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 10: to discourse and it's and it's the right way to
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 10: go about things. And in that moment, I fell down
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 10: to a level that I shouldn't have. So I think
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 10: the bottom line is, you know, I want to live
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 10: my life. I try to live my life by the
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 10: Golden rule. That's what I've always been taught. I try
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 10: to treat people with common decency and respect, and I'm
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 10: going to keep doing that moving forward, even though this
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 10: past even though I fell short this week, I'm going
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 10: to do that moving forward and continue to do that.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 10: So yeah, I think we got a game to focus on,
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 10: obviously a matchup. I don't think this is the platform
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 10: to necessarily go into more detail. So so get ready.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 6: For this Chiefs game.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: Much respect, bro, all respectful respect.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 9: You have more to say, We'll be listening with that.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 9: And in the meantime, as you say, we got a
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 9: game to get to and we got a guy.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: Who's it's just amazing to me who gets the kid
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: glove treatment, who gets protected and who gets attacked, And
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: it's all about your position within the club. And because
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: of Jason Kelsey's position in the club, not just as
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: Travis's brother, but obviously because of the Taylor Swift connection,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: and because of the timing of this being before a
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: Chiefs game, all of this has allowed Jason Kelsey to
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: get out of.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: A situation that might have destroyed other people.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: Even if he was not one hundred percent at fault,
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: he clearly had a reason to push back.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: But I just think he went too far.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: And I just don't understand the hypocrisy when it comes
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: to the liberal rules of speech, when it comes to
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: the F word, but I'm confused by a lot of things.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: These days, as is obviously the case.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: But that'll do it for episode number two hundred and
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: five of the Death of Journalist and Podcast. As is
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: always the case. Thanks so much for listening, thanks for
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: being a subscriber. Until next time, so long. I'm John
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: Zigler s