Latest / Pst T.D Jakes -The POTTER'S HOUSE / Leveling Place - Bishop T.D. Jakes
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- 0:14Speaker 1: In the gospel of St.
- 0:16Speaker 2: Luke, chapter number 18, verse 9 through 14, that's where
- 0:26Speaker 2: we're going to level up this morning. Yes, that's going
- 0:35Speaker 2: to be leveling place the gospel of st. Luke chapter
- 0:42Speaker 2: 18 verse 9 through 14 when.
- 0:46Speaker 1: You have it say amen.
- 0:54Speaker 2: And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in
- 0:59Speaker 2: themselves that's who he's talking to people who trust in
- 1:05Speaker 2: themselves That they were righteous.
- 1:12Speaker 1: And despised others.
- 1:18Speaker 2: Two men went up into the temple to pray. The
- 1:23Speaker 2: one a Pharisee and the other a The Pharisee stood
- 1:34Speaker 2: and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee that
- 1:40Speaker 2: I am not as other men are. Some people build
- 1:45Speaker 2: their whole ministry around talking about other people. I thank
- 1:54Speaker 2: you that I'm not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers,
- 1:59Speaker 2: or even as this publican.
- 2:04Speaker 1: I fast twice in the week.
- 2:08Speaker 2: I give times of all that I possess. And the publican,
- 2:18Speaker 2: standing afar off, would not lift up so much as
- 2:22Speaker 2: his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God.
- 2:34Speaker 2: Be merciful to me, a sinner. I tell you, this
- 2:41Speaker 2: man went down to his house justified rather than the
- 2:46Speaker 2: other for everyone that exalted himself shall be a paste
- 2:54Speaker 2: and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. So everyone
- 3:04Speaker 2: that exalted himself shall be abased and he.
- 3:11Speaker 1: That humbled himself shall be exalted.
- 3:18Speaker 2: I thought about it and I decided to call it
- 3:22Speaker 2: the leveling place. Because When I started reading the text,
- 3:32Speaker 2: Brother Tudman, it seemed crooked to me. And I don't
- 3:36Speaker 2: know what it is about me, but I can't stand.
- 3:42Speaker 1: Crooked stuff.
- 3:48Speaker 2: A picture leaning gets on my nerves. I have to
- 3:52Speaker 2: go over there and straighten it up. I can't even stand.
- 3:55Speaker 2: If you put something on one side of the wall,
- 3:57Speaker 2: you got to put something on the other side of
- 3:59Speaker 2: the wall or it gets on my nerves because it
- 4:02Speaker 2: got to be level. If I bake a cake and
- 4:06Speaker 2: it's not level, I keep it at home. Because I
- 4:11Speaker 2: ain't going to send you no crooked cake. And it seems...
- 4:18Speaker 2: that this text starts out crooked between the Pharisee and
- 4:23Speaker 2: the publican, but it ends up leveled because the exalted one.
- 4:32Speaker 1: Is brought down and the humble one is exalted.
- 4:41Speaker 2: And so I submit for your consideration, ladies and gentlemen,
- 4:45Speaker 2: brothers and sisters.
- 4:48Speaker 1: That God's house is the leveling place.
- 4:57Speaker 2: Spirit of the living God fall fresh on us now
- 5:01Speaker 2: as we embark upon the mission of declaring your word.
- 5:06Speaker 2: You know how I love your word. I esteem it
- 5:11Speaker 2: above my necessary food. I believe your word is strength
- 5:17Speaker 2: to my bones. Your word has guided me past troubled waters.
- 5:25Speaker 2: Your word has kept me from my own folly. Your
- 5:29Speaker 2: word has strengthened me when I was tired. It has
- 5:34Speaker 2: protected me when I was attacked. It has been a
- 5:38Speaker 2: lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.
- 5:42Speaker 1: Speak.
- 5:42Speaker 2: Speak. great God that you are. Thank you in advance
- 5:48Speaker 2: for what you're about to do. Have your way in
- 5:51Speaker 2: this place. In Jesus' name, somebody shout amen. You may
- 5:59Speaker 2: be seated in the presence of God.
- 6:05Speaker 1: It is.
- 6:10Speaker 2: With reflection that I approach this text having many, many
- 6:13Speaker 2: years ago had the privilege of traveling to the Holy Land.
- 6:19Speaker 2: I know many of you have been there many times,
- 6:21Speaker 2: but it was my first time going.
- 6:23Speaker 1: I was in awe of the same.
- 6:24Speaker 2: First time I went to the continent of Africa was
- 6:26Speaker 2: the same year that I went to Jerusalem. Both my
- 6:31Speaker 2: natural heritage and my spiritual heritage was experienced in the
- 6:35Speaker 2: same year. And I won't bore you with all the
- 6:41Speaker 2: pictures from my vacation yet. But what was astounding was
- 6:52Speaker 2: how Jerusalem is still such a significant city. It is
- 7:00Speaker 2: the epicenter of spirituality for not just Christians, but more importantly, Jews.
- 7:09Speaker 2: And oddly enough, at the time that I was there,
- 7:12Speaker 2: and I believe still now, the Holy Mount is controlled
- 7:16Speaker 2: by Muslims. Isn't that strange that the temple is controlled
- 7:25Speaker 2: by Muslims and we had to take off our shoes
- 7:30Speaker 2: to go in? You remember that? And there inside of
- 7:34Speaker 2: the Holy Mount, they showed us what they believe to
- 7:37Speaker 2: be the rock where Abraham offered up Isaac is in
- 7:42Speaker 2: the center of.
- 7:45Speaker 1: The temple.
- 7:46Speaker 2: It's not exactly the temple in our text today, but
- 7:51Speaker 2: it is rebuilt in commemoration to the temple that is
- 7:56Speaker 2: in our text. The temple is very important from the
- 8:05Speaker 2: Mount of Olives you can see the temple and I
- 8:09Speaker 2: sat on the Mount of Olives and imagined him coming
- 8:13Speaker 2: through the western gate riding on a horse in glory
- 8:26Speaker 2: I can tell that I'm not talking to a well
- 8:30Speaker 2: seasoned church because you would know that he's coming back
- 8:34Speaker 2: again You would know that he's going to split the
- 8:40Speaker 2: eastern sky one day. As old folks used to say.
- 8:46Speaker 2: But this is not, this is not, the Jesus coming
- 8:49Speaker 2: back is not the Jesus in the text. The Jesus
- 8:52Speaker 2: coming back is.
- 8:53Speaker 1: The roaring lion of the tribe of Judah.
- 8:59Speaker 2: The Jesus in the text is the Lamb of God
- 9:03Speaker 2: about to be offered up. And he comes to us
- 9:09Speaker 2: in this text teaching spiritual things in simplistic ways that
- 9:13Speaker 2: we might be able to grasp the profundity of the
- 9:16Speaker 2: text through parables. He has just finished a parable about
- 9:23Speaker 2: prayer and the unjust judge and how important it is
- 9:28Speaker 2: to pray. And I believe that the real power of
- 9:31Speaker 2: prayer is it's not just being able to communicate with God,
- 9:35Speaker 2: but in the process of prayer, the added benefit to
- 9:39Speaker 2: talking to God is that you actually see yourself. I'm
- 9:47Speaker 2: amazed at the people that do not know themselves. They
- 9:55Speaker 2: know their representative. You understood me.
- 10:05Speaker 1: But they don't know themselves.
- 10:07Speaker 2: And so it's difficult to bond with people who do
- 10:09Speaker 2: not know themselves because you can't give yourself if you
- 10:14Speaker 2: don't know yourself well. You can't value yourself if you
- 10:20Speaker 2: don't know yourself. You don't know what you need if
- 10:23Speaker 2: you don't know yourself. You aren't even sure what you
- 10:27Speaker 2: want if you don't know yourself. You don't know what
- 10:29Speaker 2: you bring to the table if you don't know yourself.
- 10:32Speaker 2: It's difficult for God to use you if you don't
- 10:35Speaker 2: know yourself. If you don't know your strengths, your weaknesses,
- 10:39Speaker 2: your tendencies, your liabilities, you don't know yourself. We're so
- 10:42Speaker 2: busy trying to get to know other.
- 10:45Speaker 1: People that we don't.
- 10:51Speaker 2: Know ourselves I'm going to deal with this a little
- 10:53Speaker 2: bit can I deal with this a little bit today
- 10:56Speaker 2: so Jesus has come to the temple and I want
- 10:59Speaker 2: you to understand that he is laboring in the temple
- 11:02Speaker 2: with parables and I got distracted from the parable by
- 11:07Speaker 2: the love that is represented with his continual coming back
- 11:12Speaker 2: to a place where he is rejected trying to get
- 11:16Speaker 2: them to see what they refuse to see There's almost,
- 11:22Speaker 2: it's almost a love affair with pain every time he
- 11:28Speaker 2: goes to the temple. And I'm going to talk to
- 11:32Speaker 2: you about the temple, the two, and the truth. Three
- 11:37Speaker 2: things that I've gone. The temple, the two, being the
- 11:43Speaker 2: Pharisee and the publican.
- 11:45Speaker 1: And the truth. The truth.
- 11:51Speaker 2: Truth he comes to the temple as the glory.
- 11:59Speaker 1: Of the latter house.
- 12:02Speaker 2: He is the fulfillment of prophecy he is the promise
- 12:06Speaker 2: that God gave to Zerubbabel's temple that the glory of
- 12:10Speaker 2: the latter house shall be greater than the glory of
- 12:13Speaker 2: the former house he comes to the temple as that
- 12:17Speaker 2: glory How do you get that? Because the Bible said
- 12:20Speaker 2: we beheld the wonder of his glory, the only begotten
- 12:24Speaker 2: of his father, full of grace and truth. He comes
- 12:27Speaker 2: to bring the glory back to a temple that has
- 12:31Speaker 2: lost its glory. He is the embodiment of the missing
- 12:37Speaker 2: Ark of the Covenant of the latter house. You see,
- 12:42Speaker 2: they had been worshiping for years before a veil that
- 12:46Speaker 2: had no Ark of Covenant. Isn't it amazing how long
- 12:52Speaker 2: people can worship where God used to be?
- 12:59Speaker 1: And fight you.
- 13:02Speaker 2: For where God used to be. And perform ceremonies and
- 13:07Speaker 2: rituals and nobody seems to notice that God is gone.
- 13:11Speaker 2: The glory is departed and yet the ceremonies continue and
- 13:16Speaker 2: the glory is back.
- 13:19Speaker 1: Gone.
- 13:21Speaker 2: His continued trips remind us of how long God strives
- 13:25Speaker 2: with those he loves. He cannot be the stone that
- 13:32Speaker 2: the builders rejected if he doesn't keep coming. It is
- 13:38Speaker 2: his perpetual coming and pleading and telling different stories trying
- 13:43Speaker 2: to compel them to see who he is. That makes
- 13:46Speaker 2: him the stone that the builders rejected. You don't earn
- 13:52Speaker 2: the right to say you're rejected when I say no once.
- 13:58Speaker 2: You haven't put enough effort in it to determine whether
- 14:01Speaker 2: you're rejected or not.
- 14:02Speaker 1: Until you have put everything you.
- 14:05Speaker 2: Got in it and got nothing back. You got no
- 14:08Speaker 2: right to say you're rejected. Because I haven't even got
- 14:11Speaker 2: to see you at your fullest self. Jesus has to
- 14:17Speaker 2: make sure that he has exhausted every possible way to
- 14:22Speaker 2: get them to see who he is. It is only
- 14:27Speaker 2: then that he can walk away fully and say it
- 14:30Speaker 2: is finished. It is only then that John can write
- 14:35Speaker 2: he came unto his own and his own.
- 14:37Speaker 1: Received him not.
- 14:41Speaker 2: It's only after he has strived with you and strived
- 14:44Speaker 2: with you and talked to you and counseled you and
- 14:47Speaker 2: whispered you and given you mercy and chance after chance
- 14:51Speaker 2: after chance.
- 14:54Speaker 1: That he walks away. God is not placid.
- 14:58Speaker 2: He is not temporary.
- 15:01Speaker 1: He is not casual.
- 15:02Speaker 2: He is focused and when he goes after something, he
- 15:05Speaker 2: will spend whatever it takes to bring it in. Some
- 15:11Speaker 2: of you are not here because God is cheap. You're
- 15:15Speaker 2: here because God is full of grace. And he gave
- 15:19Speaker 2: you a lot of grace. And he extended a lot
- 15:22Speaker 2: of mercy. And he gave you a lot of opportunity.
- 15:26Speaker 2: Somebody ought to shout me down right now. Eventually we'll
- 15:32Speaker 2: see Jesus sitting on the Mount of Olives crying out
- 15:37Speaker 2: to God. The Bible says in Matthew 28, 36, Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
- 15:43Speaker 2: how oft would I have gathered you as a hen would.
- 15:47Speaker 1: Her chicks under her wings, but you would not.
- 15:57Speaker 2: The scariest thing about God is when God gives up.
- 16:08Speaker 2: As long as he's convicting you and wrestling with you
- 16:11Speaker 2: and talking to you and chastening you and chastising you
- 16:15Speaker 2: and admonishing you, at least he's not through with you.
- 16:19Speaker 2: What bothers me is when I can do anything and
- 16:23Speaker 2: nothing bothers me, it might be a sign that God
- 16:27Speaker 2: has given up.
- 16:31Speaker 1: Oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how oft.
- 16:34Speaker 2: Would I have gathered you as a hen does her chicks,
- 16:37Speaker 2: but ye would not.
- 16:39Speaker 1: He says that only after he has.
- 16:42Speaker 2: Exhausted every possible method to reach them. Let me talk
- 16:47Speaker 2: about the temple. So much of Jesus' life centers around
- 16:51Speaker 2: the temple. He'd been carried there as early as eight
- 16:56Speaker 2: days old. And there he was circumcised. The very first
- 17:02Speaker 2: drop of blood recorded happens inside the temple. And the
- 17:10Speaker 2: last drop of blood happens outside the temple. He gave
- 17:17Speaker 2: his first blood to it. He withheld his last drop
- 17:22Speaker 2: from it. Oh God, don't withhold. your blood from me
- 17:34Speaker 2: don't let my stubborn ways bring you to a point
- 17:39Speaker 2: that you stop dropping your blood down on me the
- 17:44Speaker 2: first drop fell in it the last drop fell from
- 17:48Speaker 2: it it is.
- 17:49Speaker 1: An indication that he has given.
- 17:51Speaker 2: Up on it The temple is everything to him. The
- 17:59Speaker 2: temple was more than a sanctuary. It was a sacred
- 18:03Speaker 2: source of an identity that had been besieged and altered
- 18:10Speaker 2: as Jerusalem had become an outpost of Rome. The temple
- 18:15Speaker 2: you see for the Jew is the place where they're
- 18:19Speaker 2: holding on to the fragments of what they have left.
- 18:24Speaker 1: Of their culture and their identity.
- 18:29Speaker 2: Even though the temple was weak and convoluted by the
- 18:33Speaker 2: influences of Herod and others, it was still a reminder
- 18:38Speaker 2: of who they used to be. Sometimes you got to
- 18:41Speaker 2: fight for what you got left. Rather than to just
- 18:48Speaker 2: grieve over what is gone, you got to fight for
- 18:51Speaker 2: what you got left. Because if the enemy gets you
- 18:53Speaker 2: grieving over what's gone, he'll steal what you got left.
- 18:57Speaker 2: Y'all don't hear what I'm saying. Y'all don't hear what
- 19:00Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's a big deal right there. That's a
- 19:01Speaker 2: big deal. That's a big deal. I can't tell you
- 19:04Speaker 2: how many people I have seen hell bent on getting
- 19:08Speaker 2: back what they lost and fooled around and lost what
- 19:12Speaker 2: they had left. Because they didn't value the fragments. The
- 19:20Speaker 2: fragments of their faith is embodied in this moment. And
- 19:26Speaker 2: it is precious to them because they are captive in
- 19:31Speaker 2: their own land.
- 19:33Speaker 1: Controlled by monarchy.
- 19:38Speaker 2: There are constant reminders that attest to the fact that
- 19:42Speaker 2: they are free but... Not really. Have you ever been
- 19:48Speaker 2: free but not? really that's what I think the Bible
- 19:54Speaker 2: means when he said he whom the son have set
- 19:57Speaker 2: free is free indeed because it is possible to be
- 20:02Speaker 2: free but not really And whatever little bit of freedom
- 20:10Speaker 2: you have left, you're holding on to it to remind
- 20:13Speaker 2: yourself so that you can be centered because you can't
- 20:17Speaker 2: level if you can't find your center. The first step
- 20:22Speaker 2: to leveling out is finding your center. And some of
- 20:25Speaker 2: you right now are trying to level yourself with your extremes.
- 20:29Speaker 2: And you can't level yourself with your extremes. You can
- 20:32Speaker 2: only level yourself with your center. I'll go deeper than that.
- 20:35Speaker 2: This country's in trouble because we've lost our middle. Anytime
- 20:39Speaker 2: you lose your middle, you're always going to be lopsided
- 20:43Speaker 2: because you're trying to balance yourself by extremes. Extreme left
- 20:48Speaker 2: is crazy. Extreme right is crazy. You got to find
- 20:52Speaker 2: your middle before you can balance anything. It's true about
- 20:56Speaker 2: the nation. It's true about you. So the devil is
- 20:59Speaker 2: not after your extremes. He's after your balance. The Bible says,
- 21:09Speaker 2: let your moderation be made known unto all men. The
- 21:13Speaker 2: Lord is at hand, not going to either extremes. Don't
- 21:17Speaker 2: be too deep, baby, because you're going to fall off
- 21:20Speaker 2: trying to trip yourself and be so extra holy. And
- 21:24Speaker 2: don't be so carnal that you got some kind of
- 21:26Speaker 2: fictitious name. That disgrace is what you stand for. You
- 21:31Speaker 2: got to be violent. You got to be violent. I'm
- 21:34Speaker 2: scared of folk that's too deep. Deep folk make me nervous.
- 21:37Speaker 2: Deep folk make me itch. Deep folk make me scared.
- 21:41Speaker 2: You can't laugh. You can't joke. You can't have fun.
- 21:44Speaker 2: You just so holy, you scare me. On the other hand,
- 21:49Speaker 2: I can't stand folk that's so carnal. That a car
- 21:58Speaker 2: could be sliding on ice and you can't even get
- 22:00Speaker 2: a prayer through because you're so far away from God.
- 22:05Speaker 2: I like to be.
- 22:11Speaker 1: Balanced.
- 22:14Speaker 2: My point is this. Jerusalem is captive in their own
- 22:20Speaker 2: land unlike the Babylonian captivity where they are snatched Away
- 22:28Speaker 2: from their own land. And as they are snatched away,
- 22:31Speaker 2: wounded and bleeding and battered and tattered and torn and
- 22:36Speaker 2: Jerusalem is on fire. They said, oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, if
- 22:43Speaker 2: I forgive thee. Let my tongue cleave to the roof
- 22:47Speaker 2: of my mouth. And they found themselves in a strange land.
- 22:52Speaker 2: And they asked them to sing a song. And they said,
- 22:55Speaker 2: how can we sing the Lord's song in a strange land? See,
- 23:01Speaker 2: that's what the enemy wants to do is get you
- 23:04Speaker 2: in strange lands so he can mock you because your
- 23:09Speaker 2: anointing won't work when you've gotten too far in a
- 23:12Speaker 2: strange land.
- 23:13Speaker 1: So they hung their harps by.
- 23:15Speaker 2: The willow trees and they wept when they remembered Jerusalem.
- 23:21Speaker 2: It's one thing to be captive out of your country.
- 23:24Speaker 2: It's another thing to be a slave in your own house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 23:33Speaker 2: It's one thing to have to go to work in hell,
- 23:37Speaker 2: and it's another thing to get off work and come
- 23:40Speaker 2: home to hell. You don't have to talk to me.
- 23:43Speaker 2: I'll preach by myself. I can deal with crazy folk
- 23:47Speaker 2: at church. I just don't want to roll over and
- 23:50Speaker 2: bump into nobody crazy.
- 23:53Speaker 1: No, no, no. I got to have some peace somewhere.
- 23:57Speaker 2: Everybody can't be neurotic and unstable and out of their head.
- 24:02Speaker 2: I've got to have some place to lay my head down.
- 24:11Speaker 2: It's one thing to be captive in Babylon. It's another
- 24:14Speaker 2: thing to be captive in Jerusalem. They're back home But
- 24:23Speaker 2: home is not home. There is no king in Israel.
- 24:30Speaker 2: The succession has dissipated. Instead, a Roman monarchy has taken
- 24:34Speaker 2: control and little remained.
- 24:38Speaker 1: Of what was. Make me want to sing, make it
- 24:43Speaker 1: like it was. I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing. I'm
- 24:51Speaker 1: just teasing.
- 24:55Speaker 2: What did remain was a convoluted representation of both culture
- 25:01Speaker 2: and oppression. It was Herod's temple, a painful reminder, and
- 25:06Speaker 2: a pleasant memoir all at the same time. I want
- 25:11Speaker 2: to talk to some people who have had bitter, sweet experiences.
- 25:18Speaker 2: Where you can't really articulate how you feel about it.
- 25:22Speaker 2: Because on one hand it's sweet and on the other
- 25:24Speaker 2: hand it's bitter. Certain pictures you look at them and
- 25:28Speaker 2: you look at them with fondness and they bring tears.
- 25:31Speaker 2: Certain people when you think about them, you miss them and...
- 25:38Speaker 2: Come on, talk to me real people. Talk to me
- 25:41Speaker 2: real people. Talk to me real people. See, Jerusalem had
- 25:48Speaker 2: become a very different place. It was inhabited by Jews
- 25:52Speaker 2: and Romans. It was very cosmopolitan at this time. It
- 25:55Speaker 2: was a city filled with diverse people, including Africans and
- 26:00Speaker 2: Greeks and Gnostics and Samaritans. And many others converged upon
- 26:06Speaker 2: the same city. It was the epicenter of culture and
- 26:10Speaker 2: trade and commerce and all of that. That's why they
- 26:14Speaker 2: were trying to kill Jesus when he was a baby.
- 26:17Speaker 2: Because they heard he was king of the Jews. And
- 26:20Speaker 2: that meant that Herod might lose control. Of the epicenter
- 26:24Speaker 2: of trade and commerce. Which is why the wise men
- 26:27Speaker 2: brought gold and silver. And when Herod heard about it.
- 26:31Speaker 2: He was tripping out. Because normally he would have gotten.
- 26:35Speaker 2: Y'all don't want to hear me talk. Can't you hear
- 26:43Speaker 2: the marching of the Roman soldiers. On the cobblestone streets
- 26:47Speaker 2: of Jerusalem. Riding on their horses and their chariots. Compelling
- 26:53Speaker 2: the Jews to always remember that they are still in control.
- 26:57Speaker 2: Coupled by the side roads littered with crucified criminals. A
- 27:03Speaker 2: constant reminder that they were not truly free in their
- 27:08Speaker 2: own land. The presence of the temple still provides some
- 27:13Speaker 2: semblance of identity. Sometimes you gotta hold on to whatever
- 27:18Speaker 2: you got left. If it's a hairdo Sometimes you wear
- 27:26Speaker 2: your hair in defiance. Yes, snappy, curly hair.
- 27:32Speaker 1: But it's mine.
- 27:34Speaker 2: Sometimes you do certain things just to remind yourself you
- 27:38Speaker 2: ain't taking everything. Now, I'll conform to a degree, but
- 27:43Speaker 2: I'm going to fight back a little bit. You're not
- 27:45Speaker 2: going to take everything until I lose my sense of self.
- 27:50Speaker 2: Just to be in your circle, that's too much for
- 27:54Speaker 2: me to pay. To lose me so you like me
- 27:59Speaker 2: is too much. The temple is holding on to their culture.
- 28:09Speaker 2: It still provides their identity so important to a culture
- 28:15Speaker 2: filled with uncertainty and longing for solutions.
- 28:19Speaker 1: Sounds a lot like us.
- 28:25Speaker 2: Dissension, however, existed amongst the devout. Hence, verse 9 lets
- 28:34Speaker 2: us know that Jesus is telling this story, this parable,
- 28:39Speaker 2: to the backdrop of peril and mayhem. He is addressing
- 28:44Speaker 2: people who think they are better than their own people.
- 28:53Speaker 2: You got to know why the story if you're going
- 28:56Speaker 2: to tell the story. The story is built around arrogance
- 29:05Speaker 2: and supremacy and people with their nose in the air
- 29:10Speaker 2: thinking they're better than other people.
- 29:14Speaker 1: The story is to level up.
- 29:18Speaker 2: Between these two extremes, there are people who call themselves
- 29:24Speaker 2: Christians even, who will look down their nose at you
- 29:29Speaker 2: and act like you stink because you don't sit like
- 29:33Speaker 2: them or walk like them or dress like them or
- 29:36Speaker 2: clap like them or sing like them or look like them.
- 29:40Speaker 2: or vote like them. They'll turn up their nose and
- 29:43Speaker 2: judge you in a minute.
- 29:47Speaker 1: Oh, y'all ain't gonna talk to me.
- 29:50Speaker 2: See, it would be nice to think that if you
- 29:53Speaker 2: got together with the same beliefs, you would have the
- 29:56Speaker 2: same status. But sometimes your greatest wounds come from people
- 30:01Speaker 2: that are closest to you. Talk to me, somebody. It
- 30:06Speaker 2: would be nice to think that if we grew up
- 30:09Speaker 2: in the same house, I wouldn't have to watch my
- 30:12Speaker 2: back with you. It would be nice to think. that
- 30:24Speaker 2: I wasn't forced to sleep with the enemy. It would
- 30:28Speaker 2: be nice to think that at least amongst the Jews
- 30:34Speaker 2: there was agreement, but there was not. There was dissension,
- 30:37Speaker 2: which takes me from the temple to the two. Because
- 30:43Speaker 2: the two are an example of an extreme imbalance. On
- 30:51Speaker 2: one hand, You have the publican at the temple. The
- 30:55Speaker 2: publican is very unpopular because they were tax collectors. He
- 31:02Speaker 2: expects to be reprimanded. He expects not to be lacked.
- 31:07Speaker 2: He comes to the temple with humility because he has
- 31:10Speaker 2: been hated to the point that he does not expect
- 31:14Speaker 2: to be loved. He is a tax collector and he
- 31:19Speaker 2: is working for Rome and he's a Jew. And of
- 31:24Speaker 2: all people, they hated publicans. Publicans were Uncle Toms. Publicans,
- 31:37Speaker 2: I know, I'm going to keep on until you get it.
- 31:39Speaker 2: I'm going to bring it where you can feel it.
- 31:41Speaker 2: I'm going to bring it right home to you. Publicans
- 31:44Speaker 2: were sellouts. Publicans were house thieves. Excuse me to all
- 31:59Speaker 2: my white members. I had to talk in code for
- 32:01Speaker 2: a minute. We'll tell you about that later. I had
- 32:15Speaker 2: to slip into another language for a minute to make
- 32:18Speaker 2: sure that you understand the words that are coming out
- 32:20Speaker 2: of my mouth. They had the kind of anger that
- 32:24Speaker 2: you have when somebody calls you a sellout. because they
- 32:28Speaker 2: were working for the Romans and worshiping with the Jews.
- 32:39Speaker 2: And once you have a history of being hated, you
- 32:44Speaker 2: don't expect to be loved. You can get so used
- 32:51Speaker 2: to being rejected that you stop offering. You stop asking.
- 32:57Speaker 2: You stop smiling. You stop engaging. You stop connecting with
- 33:01Speaker 2: people because you already know how this story gonna go.
- 33:04Speaker 2: I'm not dating nobody. I'm not talking to nobody. I
- 33:08Speaker 2: don't need nobody. I don't want nobody. I can make
- 33:11Speaker 2: it by myself. It's just code for I have been rejected.
- 33:15Speaker 2: I have been hurt. I have been alienated and I'm
- 33:19Speaker 2: tired of the pain. So before I put myself in
- 33:22Speaker 2: a vulnerable situation, I don't need you no way.
- 33:27Speaker 1: I don't like you no way. That's your pain talking.
- 33:33Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
- 33:34Speaker 2: Keep on sitting there acting like you don't know what
- 33:35Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Your pain will make you assume the
- 33:40Speaker 2: position before the command was ever made. So the publican,
- 33:50Speaker 2: it's easy for him to humble himself because he's used
- 33:55Speaker 2: to being hated and And he smokes his breast in
- 33:59Speaker 2: the presence of Jesus and says, Lord, have mercy on me.
- 34:04Speaker 1: I'm a sinner. It was easy for him to find.
- 34:08Speaker 2: Himself because nothing will make you find yourself like people
- 34:14Speaker 2: hating you. People hating you will drive you back inside
- 34:22Speaker 2: of yourself, make you become your own best friend oh
- 34:27Speaker 2: y'all don't hear what I'm saying people hating you and
- 34:30Speaker 2: rejecting you will make you become acquainted with who you
- 34:33Speaker 2: really are even if you don't tell nobody who you
- 34:37Speaker 2: really are if you are hated enough you become acquainted
- 34:40Speaker 2: with yourself when you have to take yourself out to
- 34:43Speaker 2: dinner when you have to buy yourself something for Valentine's
- 34:48Speaker 2: Day when you have to plan your holiday cause you
- 34:52Speaker 2: know ain't nobody else gonna be thinking about you you
- 34:54Speaker 2: get to know yourself You'll be shocked at the people
- 35:00Speaker 2: who know calculus and don't know themselves. Who know geometry
- 35:05Speaker 2: and do not know themselves. Who know politics and do
- 35:09Speaker 2: not know themselves. Who know scriptures and do not know themselves.
- 35:12Speaker 2: Who can sing but do not know themselves. Who can
- 35:15Speaker 2: preach but do not know themselves. Who are fine as
- 35:18Speaker 2: wine and do not know themselves. The one thing the
- 35:23Speaker 2: publican had going for. He knew himself. So he says, Jesus,
- 35:34Speaker 2: you don't have to discover me. You don't have to
- 35:36Speaker 2: expose me. He says, I am a sinner. Have mercy
- 35:45Speaker 2: on me. I am a sinner. You don't hear many
- 35:50Speaker 2: testimonies like that in church.
- 35:52Speaker 1: Have mercy on me, Lord.
- 35:54Speaker 2: I'm a sinner.
- 35:55Speaker 1: I'm a sinner. Used to be we'd say, I'm a wretch,
- 35:58Speaker 1: I'm done.
- 36:02Speaker 2: But now we're important. Important wretches. Dignified wretches. Educated wretches.
- 36:15Speaker 2: Witch wretches. but you still are rich. See, that's the
- 36:33Speaker 2: power of the text is that the Pharisee thinks he's better,
- 36:41Speaker 2: but he's not. He sees himself as superior, more moral,
- 36:46Speaker 2: not corrupted. The doctrine of human depravity exposes the fact
- 36:52Speaker 2: that there is a different story. Human depravity is simply
- 36:55Speaker 2: declares the fact that all of us fell in Adam.
- 36:59Speaker 2: We fell into sin, the state of sin, not the
- 37:03Speaker 2: act of sin. So while you might not have done
- 37:07Speaker 2: the same act I did, you still fell into the
- 37:11Speaker 2: same state I'm in.
- 37:16Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 37:18Speaker 2: I ate banana pudding and you ate chocolate cake, but
- 37:21Speaker 2: we both got fat. And you say, how could you
- 37:25Speaker 2: eat banana pudding? That's nasty. Yeah, how about that chocolate
- 37:28Speaker 2: you're chewing on? We always push nasty away from what
- 37:34Speaker 2: we lack. Oh, ain't nobody going to shout today because
- 37:41Speaker 2: I'm walking kind of heavy today. You can't handle it today. Yeah,
- 37:45Speaker 2: whatever is nasty, freaky, or wrong is whatever you don't like.
- 37:58Speaker 2: So you get to be better than somebody, which is
- 38:01Speaker 2: important to you to build up your self-confidence. You get
- 38:05Speaker 2: to say, at least I'm not lying. That's what's going
- 38:13Speaker 2: on in this text. So the publican says, I am
- 38:19Speaker 2: a sinner. The Pharisee starts talking about what he does.
- 38:24Speaker 2: I pay my tithes. I fast twice a week. I
- 38:28Speaker 2: am a Pharisee. He gives a job description, not an identity.
- 38:37Speaker 2: The publican says, I am. The Pharisee says, I do.
- 38:44Speaker 2: People who need to tell you what they do are
- 38:48Speaker 2: trying to hide their Y'all ain't going to help me today.
- 38:55Speaker 2: Let me go preach somewhere else. Ain't you sick and
- 38:58Speaker 2: tired of people that you walk up to and just
- 39:01Speaker 2: meet them and they tell you, you know, I want
- 39:03Speaker 2: a Grammy. You know, I'm Luther Vandross' cousin on his
- 39:08Speaker 2: mama's side. His auntie and my grandmama were sisters and
- 39:11Speaker 2: cousins on the third, fourth.
- 39:14Speaker 1: Shut up.
- 39:15Speaker 2: I just said hello. I didn't ask you, are you
- 39:19Speaker 2: driving a Mercedes? I didn't ask you for your net worth.
- 39:24Speaker 2: I didn't ask you, do you speak in tongues? I
- 39:27Speaker 2: didn't ask you how many dates you had on your car.
- 39:30Speaker 1: Who are you?
- 39:41Speaker 2: You see the Pharisee is dressed up in camouflage. Camouflage
- 39:46Speaker 2: is what we wear to hide.
- 39:51Speaker 1: Who we are. Camouflage.
- 39:54Speaker 2: Camouflage is what God gave certain animals because they didn't
- 39:58Speaker 2: have teeth or they couldn't run fast or they couldn't growl.
- 40:02Speaker 2: He gave them camouflage as a defense so that they
- 40:06Speaker 2: could adapt to the color of the tree and thereby
- 40:09Speaker 2: become invisible. So maybe if I wear enough jewelry, you
- 40:13Speaker 2: won't see me. Maybe if I got enough degrees, you
- 40:16Speaker 2: won't see me. Maybe if I razzle dazzle you with
- 40:19Speaker 2: my talent, you won't see.
- 40:21Speaker 1: Who I am.
- 40:22Speaker 2: So ask me what I do, but don't ask me
- 40:26Speaker 2: who I am. Because the truth of the matter is,
- 40:29Speaker 2: I don't even know.
- 40:30Speaker 1: Who I am. I'm trying to hide who I am
- 40:33Speaker 1: behind what I do.
- 40:35Speaker 2: And that is the problem with the Pharisee because nothing
- 40:40Speaker 2: in the description tells me who he is. Everything is
- 40:45Speaker 2: about what he does. And whenever people need to tell
- 40:50Speaker 2: you what they do, they either don't know who they
- 40:55Speaker 2: are or they don't want you to know. Can I
- 41:03Speaker 2: go deeper? There is a difference between what you do
- 41:07Speaker 2: and who you are. The fact that you can sing
- 41:12Speaker 2: don't mean you can handle money. The fact that you
- 41:16Speaker 2: can play the bass doesn't mean you ain't a liar.
- 41:21Speaker 2: The fact that you are fine and cute and good
- 41:24Speaker 2: looking don't mean that you're going to treat me nice.
- 41:27Speaker 2: Because one of them deals with how much time you
- 41:30Speaker 2: spend in the gym. But it don't have nothing to
- 41:33Speaker 2: do with how much time you can spend with me.
- 41:37Speaker 2: Your advertisement is good, but your product is bad.
- 41:44Speaker 1: Come on with me. I dare you to jump on me.
- 41:47Speaker 1: I will knock you out this morning.
- 41:52Speaker 2: You've been living with the Pharisees and praying like the publican.
- 42:03Speaker 2: Aren't you tired of hugging camouflage? Aren't you tired of
- 42:11Speaker 2: doing business with people wearing camouflage? And you think you
- 42:16Speaker 2: got one thing and you got something else and you
- 42:18Speaker 2: think you got this and you really got that.
- 42:21Speaker 1: The Pharisee is a master of camouflage.
- 42:26Speaker 2: In the Bible, when God calls you a hypocrite, it
- 42:30Speaker 2: doesn't mean what it means today. In the Bible, a
- 42:33Speaker 2: hypocrite was an actor and actors said their lines behind
- 42:41Speaker 2: a mask. And the word hypocrite just means you're talking
- 42:48Speaker 2: behind a mask. I put on a face but this
- 43:00Speaker 2: ain't who I am. My face is smiling but I
- 43:04Speaker 2: don't like you. When you tell me how God bless you,
- 43:13Speaker 2: I put on a face like I'm happy for you,
- 43:15Speaker 2: but I really can't stand you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 43:19Speaker 2: When I wear a mask, some of y'all are sleeping
- 43:22Speaker 2: with a man. Some of y'all are married to a man.
- 43:24Speaker 2: Some of y'all are working with a mask. The Pharisees'
- 43:28Speaker 2: real problem is not the wretchedness of their sin. It
- 43:33Speaker 2: is the audacity of their mask. The publican just comes clean.
- 43:41Speaker 1: I'm a sinner.
- 43:45Speaker 2: The Pharisees start talking about all this stuff Jesus asked him.
- 43:49Speaker 1: I fast twice a week. I pay my tithes. I
- 43:53Speaker 1: go to the temple daily.
- 43:55Speaker 2: See, we go to church with both Pharisees and publicans.
- 44:04Speaker 2: That's why it's hard to have worship. Because people who
- 44:08Speaker 2: wear masks can't worship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They can
- 44:13Speaker 2: praise a little bit, but they can't worship. Because in
- 44:16Speaker 2: order to worship, you got to be real. You got
- 44:19Speaker 2: to be vulnerable. You got to come clean. You got
- 44:22Speaker 2: to open up. You got to be yourself. And you
- 44:25Speaker 2: don't mind clapping a little bit. But the reason you
- 44:27Speaker 2: can't really get down with worship service is because you're phony.
- 44:34Speaker 2: Worship will make you drop your disguise. Worship will make
- 44:38Speaker 2: you mess up your makeup. Worship will make you fall
- 44:41Speaker 2: down on your face. Worship will bring you down to
- 44:44Speaker 2: your knees. Worship will make you say yes to God.
- 44:49Speaker 2: Worship will make you open up your heart. and say
- 44:52Speaker 2: I'm broken and I'm lonely and I'm hurting and I
- 44:57Speaker 2: need you I need you I need you.
- 45:03Speaker 1: I need you.
- 45:11Speaker 2: He can find a praiser anywhere let everything that have
- 45:15Speaker 2: breath praise the Lord But when it comes to a worshiper,
- 45:19Speaker 2: he has to seek for them. Because in order to worship,
- 45:24Speaker 2: you got to be real. No, no, no. You don't
- 45:31Speaker 2: have to be righteous. You don't have to be perfect.
- 45:40Speaker 2: You don't have to be talented. See, that's what's wrong
- 45:43Speaker 2: with our worship services. Our worship services are driven by talent.
- 45:51Speaker 2: I am tired of talent. It ain't about how many
- 45:57Speaker 2: riffs you can make. It's about how you can fall
- 46:01Speaker 2: on your face and lay out before God and say, Lord,
- 46:06Speaker 2: I surrender. Don't confuse camouflage with reality. Let the worshipers
- 46:14Speaker 2: make some noise in this place.
- 46:30Speaker 1: Come on. Real worship.
- 46:34Speaker 2: Real worship. Worship will make you strip. Worship will make
- 46:43Speaker 2: you come clean. Worship will make you sell out. Worship
- 46:49Speaker 2: don't care how much you paid for your dress. Worship
- 46:55Speaker 2: don't care about how cute your hair is. Worship will
- 47:01Speaker 2: make you reach down in your belly.
- 47:04Speaker 1: And say, Oh, God! Come on.
- 47:16Speaker 2: Come on. Come on.
- 47:19Speaker 1: Strip.
- 47:21Speaker 2: Take off that phony stuff. Take on all that stuff
- 47:24Speaker 2: you're proud of and get in the presence of God
- 47:28Speaker 2: and say, I'm a wretch and I need you right now.
- 47:33Speaker 2: Open your mouth and holler to God. Yeah, yeah. Nudge somebody,
- 47:58Speaker 2: tell them I dare you to level up. I dare
- 48:02Speaker 2: you to level up. I dare you to come out
- 48:04Speaker 2: of your camouflage. I dare you to come out of
- 48:08Speaker 2: all your.
- 48:08Speaker 1: Isms and schisms.
- 48:09Speaker 2: I dare you to really worship God like you need
- 48:13Speaker 2: a touch from him. Like you can't face tomorrow without him.
- 48:18Speaker 2: Like you need him more than you need your breath.
- 48:21Speaker 2: Is there anybody left in the church that knows how
- 48:25Speaker 2: to worship God in spirit and Here's my third point.
- 48:31Speaker 2: And in truth, you shall know the truth and the
- 48:36Speaker 2: truth shall make you free. God wants somebody to worship him.
- 48:49Speaker 2: In truth, to worship him lonely, to worship him tired,
- 48:57Speaker 2: to worship him confused. Whatever your truth is, that's what
- 49:02Speaker 2: God wants. He wants you to open up your heart
- 49:07Speaker 2: and not give him your titles, but give him your truth.
- 49:11Speaker 2: I don't know what to do without you. I can't
- 49:14Speaker 2: live without you. I can't walk without you. I can't
- 49:18Speaker 2: move without you. I can't stand without you. Come on,
- 49:23Speaker 2: open your mouth. Open your mouth. Rebuke the devil, you Pharisee.
- 49:31Speaker 2: Come on and open your spirit and talk to your gut. See,
- 50:01Speaker 2: we got too many people that are believing alternative facts.
- 50:08Speaker 2: Alternative facts. They're not facts. They're the truth we tell ourselves.
- 50:16Speaker 2: It's the camouflage we wear. It's our alternative reality. We
- 50:22Speaker 2: live in a false dimension which causes you to be
- 50:26Speaker 2: arrogant so you can look down your nose at somebody else.
- 50:32Speaker 2: But if we ever got down to the truth, There
- 50:35Speaker 2: is no difference between the Pharisee and the publican.
- 50:40Speaker 1: They're both wretches. They both need God.
- 50:44Speaker 2: If we ever get down to the truth, we won't
- 50:47Speaker 2: need dancers, instruments, worship leaders, praise singers.
- 50:55Speaker 1: Tambourines, bongos, drum sets.
- 51:00Speaker 2: And organs because truth will drag you down to the altar.
- 51:06Speaker 2: Truth will strip you at the feet of Jesus. Truth
- 51:11Speaker 2: will make you cry out to God. Is there any
- 51:15Speaker 2: true worshipers in the house today? Somebody shout, I need
- 51:33Speaker 2: more grace. I need more grace. If I'm going to
- 51:39Speaker 2: work this job, I need more grace. If I'm going
- 51:43Speaker 2: to stay in this marriage, I need more grace. If
- 51:47Speaker 2: I'm going to raise these kids, I need more grace.
- 51:51Speaker 2: If I'm going to deal with my pain, if I'm
- 51:56Speaker 2: going to deal with my problems, If I'm going to
- 52:00Speaker 2: stand the times. If I'm not going to lose my mind.
- 52:12Speaker 2: You see the Pharisees needed it. The publicans needed it.
- 52:18Speaker 2: The drug dealer needs it. The deacon needs it. The
- 52:22Speaker 2: church member needs it. The club owner needs it. The
- 52:26Speaker 2: alcoholic needs it. The altruistic need it. All we need
- 52:30Speaker 2: from Jesus is a little more grace. Grace is the
- 52:35Speaker 2: leveling place. So God says to the one that's up,
- 52:39Speaker 2: I'm going to bring you down. And the one that's down,
- 52:42Speaker 2: he said, I'm going to raise you up because I
- 52:45Speaker 2: got to level this thing out. Because you can't worship
- 52:48Speaker 2: without balance. And so you fake the worship. You have
- 52:52Speaker 2: a form of godliness denying the power thereof. Because if
- 52:58Speaker 2: real worship hit this place, cancer would have to run
- 53:02Speaker 2: out of here. Tumors would have to leap out the building.
- 53:06Speaker 2: If real worship hit this place right now, Alzheimer's would
- 53:10Speaker 2: have to get out of here. If real worship hit
- 53:13Speaker 2: this place, all swelling would come out of your joints.
- 53:18Speaker 2: Somebody lift your hands and worship till you feel the
- 53:22Speaker 2: power of God. Truth is I'm scared. Truth is I'm tired.
- 53:57Speaker 2: Truth is I'm lonely. Truth is I'm worried. Truth is
- 54:03Speaker 2: I'm frustrated. Truth is I.
- 54:05Speaker 1: Need more help.
- 54:07Speaker 2: Truth is I'm weary. Truth is I need a fresh
- 54:11Speaker 2: touch from God. Is there anybody here that's ready to
- 54:14Speaker 2: keep it 100%? this is.
- 54:23Speaker 1: This is.
- 54:27Speaker 2: The leveling place arrogant people stay on up there be
- 54:40Speaker 2: important in your cute camouflage desperate people fall out on
- 54:53Speaker 2: this altar like you lost your mind. Fall out on
- 54:57Speaker 2: this altar like you don't care what you got on.
- 55:00Speaker 2: Fall out on this altar like if you don't get
- 55:02Speaker 2: help from God, you're going to lose your mind. Fall
- 55:05Speaker 2: out on this altar like you don't care what nobody thinks.
- 55:09Speaker 2: Fall out on this altar like you are tired of
- 55:12Speaker 2: camouflaging your pain and your situation and your circumstances.
- 55:17Speaker 1: Fall out on this altar.
- 55:20Speaker 2: Like you don't care if your makeup messes up. Fall
- 55:23Speaker 2: out on this altar like you want a touch from God.
- 55:26Speaker 2: Fall out on this altar like you need him more
- 55:29Speaker 2: than you need your next breath. Fall out on this
- 55:32Speaker 2: altar like you need a touch from God and you
- 55:35Speaker 2: didn't come to show off nothing except your desperation to
- 55:40Speaker 2: get more grace from God. Fall out on this altar
- 55:44Speaker 2: like you came to do business.
- 55:45Speaker 1: In the heavenlies.
- 55:47Speaker 2: Fall out on this altar like you're ready to open
- 55:50Speaker 2: up for God. This is a leveling place. This is
- 55:54Speaker 2: a leveling place.
- 55:57Speaker 1: I'm a sinner. I'm a wretch. I'm worried. I'm tired.
- 56:04Speaker 1: I'm frustrated. I'm empty.
- 56:07Speaker 2: But I am what I am. And here I come
- 56:10Speaker 2: into your presence. Here I come into your presence. Here
- 56:15Speaker 2: I come into your presence.
- 56:18Speaker 1: It's me, Lord. It's me.
- 56:21Speaker 2: It's not my representative. It's not my fake face. It's
- 56:26Speaker 2: not my camouflage. It's not my car. It's not my house.
- 56:31Speaker 2: It's not my degrees.
- 56:33Speaker 1: It's me, Lord. This is a troubling stage in my life.
- 56:38Speaker 1: This is an.
- 56:39Speaker 2: Empty stage in my life. This is a frustrating stage
- 56:43Speaker 2: in my life. And I need a touch from God. Oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
- 56:51Speaker 2: how often would I have gathered you? Oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
- 56:56Speaker 2: how many times would I have picked you up like
- 57:00Speaker 2: a hen does her chicks? But ye would not. Ye
- 57:07Speaker 2: would not. Ye would not. Ye would not. It's not
- 57:12Speaker 2: that I won't bless you. It's that you won't come clean.
- 57:16Speaker 2: It's not that I won't help you. Is that you
- 57:19Speaker 2: won't cry out. I'm not talking about telling your business
- 57:22Speaker 2: on Twitter. I'm not talking about telling your business on Facebook.
- 57:26Speaker 2: But God said when you come to me. You keep
- 57:29Speaker 2: trying to tell me what you got. And I want
- 57:32Speaker 2: to know who are you?
- 57:35Speaker 1: Who are you?
- 57:37Speaker 2: Who are you? Who are you? The publican got in.
- 57:47Speaker 2: The Pharisee was locked out. There is grace for the
- 57:56Speaker 2: Pharisee though. Because God said, I'm going to bring you
- 58:01Speaker 2: all the way down. If you don't come down on
- 58:05Speaker 2: your own. I'm going to bring you to a basement.
- 58:08Speaker 2: I'm going to bring you to a level place. I'll
- 58:11Speaker 2: bring you to your knees if I have to do
- 58:13Speaker 2: it in a wheelchair. I'll bring you to your knees
- 58:17Speaker 2: if I have to do it in a nursing home.
- 58:20Speaker 2: I'll bring you to your knees if I have to
- 58:22Speaker 2: do it in intensive care one way or the other.
- 58:26Speaker 2: I'm going to level you up. Either you come on
- 58:30Speaker 2: your own or I'm coming to get you Hallelujah Hallelujah
- 58:35Speaker 2: Hallelujah Hallelujah