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Talking Music & Podcasting with Jon Lamoreaux of "The Hustle" [Episode 146] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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com. First three get a copy of the book. All right, so
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we've got another edition of the dialogue. A chill and chat with authors,
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fellow podcasters, listeners, and Moore. My guess is the host of one
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of my favorite podcasts out there, John Lambreaux. He's the host of The
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Hustle. When I became a fan of podcasts, this probably five six years
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ago. John's was one of the first I discovered, and I haven't stopped
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listening. He talks to musicians to find out what it takes to maintain a
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career in music. He's also interviewed producers, engineers, authors. He is
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a genuine fan of rock and roll music, and listening to his interviews is
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much like getting backstage to meet and chat with your favorite musicians. John was
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nice enough to take some time out to talk about his podcast. The interviews
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he's done well, He's got some great stories, and we get into his
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favorite books on rock. So let's get started. John Lamreaux, Welcome to
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the podcast this. I feel like I should be standing right now. I
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listened to you. I've been listening for you. Let me let me do
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an applause whatever. This is great man, Thank you Eric, that's really
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nice. You know, like you said in the email, it's like you
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just don't know who's listening. And you know, like I listened to that
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episode you had David Wilde of Rolling Stone and like he was just so impressed.
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He's like, so, you know, how do you do all though?
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Like what's going on? Tell me about the show? You know,
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I know, I know. He a couple of times has tweeted out like
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went for a walk today and listened to the Hustle Pot or whatever it was,
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and it's like, what, you know who I am? And I
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mean, yeah, he you know, we're friendly. It's just bizarre.
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The one thing that I love about your podcast because we were chatting before we
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started recording, and you were asking you if I had worked in radio and
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I said yes, And the one thing that I really loved about podcasts is
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the sincerity of it. It's like genuine And what I mean by that is
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in radio, there are a lot of people who absolutely love the music that
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they're that they're playing, but not all of them. And you will get
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you will get people that are just there to pad their resume, you know,
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Like I've worked with guys who are I'm here in Connecticut, so they're
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like, yeah, I work it over ESPN. I want to get into
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sports, but I figured I'd just come here and do a shift and they
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could give a shit about the songs. They don't know anything about them.
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And it comes across, you know, on the air, it's just not
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since here and with your show, it feels like it always feels like you're
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like kind of taking us backstage and you get to meet the band, and
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it's and it's it's part journalist asking great questions, but also part just conversational,
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like you're just you're a genuine fan, so you're really curious and that's
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where the great questions come from. Thanks for saying that some ass kissing here,
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John, I'm sorry. I well, you're I'm very grateful because what
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I'm most grateful for when you say that is that's basically kind of exactly what
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I'm trying to do. I got my degree in college in journalism, and
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I've always been a music lover, and so I sort of it's just natural
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to me, I guess, to merge these two things that have always been
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an interest to me of mine. And as you know, there's no journalism,
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there's no print journalism anymore, and there's barely a music industry. And
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so the two things that I wanted to hitch my wagon too when I was
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growing up don't even really exist anymore, you know. So I h this
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was just an avenue to channel all the useless knowledge that's in my brain and
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some mild talents that I might have had, and it's worked out. You
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know. Well, let's go back to the beginning. You you were raised
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in Utah, if I remember correct, As you've mentioned that just affect your
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very last episode. You lived in Utah, but now you live in Colorado,
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which, by the way, I don't think you're far from my nephew.
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He lives in Boulder. In the Boulder, Oh yeah, there's up
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the freeway about twenty Yeah. So you go up in Utah, and well,
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when did you first become a fan of music, Like, what was
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the first band or bands that you really got into. I always go back
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to this, and I'm sure I liked music more than I mean. I
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remember, I would watch he Haa, I would watch a Solid Gold,
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I would watch whoever was on Carson. But the first thing that really struck
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me was the song Celebration by Cooling the Gang. That was probably my first
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favorite song. I just remember that was the first song that where I learned
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that there was a radio that played pop songs and if you waited a while,
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it might even play a song you like a second time. And there's
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other pop songs, and there's records and record shops, and that was one
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of the first things. But then David Bowie in nineteen eighty three with Let's
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Stance, I think that's the moment that sort of expanded my mind into there
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being just a lot of really interesting music out there, not all of it's
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even played on the radio, And especially when you come into David Bowie,
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who's my very favorite artist of all time, at that moment and realize there's
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already been fifteen years of weirdness and ziggy stardust and strange music that you may
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never wrap your head around. But I mean, if you're a true music
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lover like we are, you know that feeling of like going back and discovering
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something new. And I didn't know this existed, but it sounds like the
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kind of stuff I love. How did I miss this, you know,
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and that just that constant discovery mixed with the constant feeling of that endearing,
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nostalgic feeling when you hear the song you love, like Celebration for the first
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time in a while. It's a high that I guess I chase. You
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know, yeah, well that's it. It's a high that you chase.
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I've said that before, and I envy those who just discover an artist for
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the first time, because it's when you first listen to an album by an
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artist, like for you, David Bowie, like you probably remember each and
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every time that you got maybe for you it was cassettes were on the same
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age. So I go out every weekend with whatever money I made on my
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part time jobs and pick out cassettes and I would say, well, you
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know, I'd start getting into Tom Petty. Okay, so let's start with
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this, let's move up okay, Southern accents, and then we go to
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the you know, and each week you could just consume it and drive around
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and just I'm sure you were the type that was looking at all the album
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notes, the liner notes, right, and you know the thing with books,
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and we were talking about this before recording that's where you could really get
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into the minutia. That's really what we can get into it. And I
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want to ask you about obviously books on rock and roll, But getting back
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to you, so you become a fan. Well, first concert, by
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the way, it was your first ever concert, my first concert. I
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love that you asked that. My first concert was night Rave in nineteen eighty
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four. I believe it was when Sister Christian was really popular. My mom
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was the main office manager of a ball by my house, the president of
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the mall. She was his secretary or whatever. So sometimes free tickets would
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come through the office, and if he didn't want it, and the vice
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president didn't want it, and the director of marketing didn't want it, and
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the director of you know, maintenance didn't want it, it might trickle down
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to my mom. And so that's what happened. She and I went and
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saw Night Ranger in nineteen eighty four, and a couple of months after that,
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I went to my second concert, which was Rick Springfield on the Hard
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To Hold For and all that. Now, Night Ranger, here's let me
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see if they can tricky get give you some trivia here, Night Ranger.
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Brad Gillis what famous metal singer did he play? Auzzi Aussie man? Yeah,
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I want you know, yes, briefly, just was not in there
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for very long, but that's on his resume, you know. Ye Speak
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of the Devil Is that the name of it? Yeah? I think it
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was. And he's great on that album too, he is. And night
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Ranger just one of those satisfying pop rock bands. You know, they're hard,
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but they're melodic and their songs hold up and they're fun live, and
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it's kind of like lover Boy or you know, one of those kind of
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bands that are just you take for granted because they were maybe so ubiquitous when
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you were growing up. But if you really stop and think those songs are
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great. These guys played great, They're great at their instruments. What's not
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to like about this, which is why they're still out there playing. Yeah.
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Now, you said you wanted to get into radio at one point,
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and yeah, something you seriously considered. How come you didn't get into it?
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Well? I think about this a lot, actually, I mean,
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my we're gonna laugh. I wanted to be a journalist, but I wanted
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to be like on broadcast. I want to be on TV. I wanted
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to be a broadcast journalist, and you're going to be surprised by who my
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inspiration was. It was John Tesh of all people, Get out, John
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Tesh. Yeah, he was on ET at that time, and he was
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on ET. That's why, that's why my mom used to watch Entertainment Tonight
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and he was on there. And I loved that he felt he seemed a
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little he wasn't showbiz. He was just sort of he was almost a little
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sarcastic or there was this air of like, I'm reporting this news, but
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it's not real life. We know this, and I but his just his
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presence and his demeanor, and I knew he also liked sports, and I
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thought, that's my kind of journalism. That's what I want to do.
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And so my intention, my entire life was to go into you know,
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broadcasting. And I was in college at BYU. I was dating a girl
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who was a couple of years older than me and had graduated and was a
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anchorwoman, and she just didn't make it sound very appealing. You realize that
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to most of those people, it's show business. You know, it's camera
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time and the right look, and this guy's getting more camera time than me,
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and this one's getting better stories, and how do I get more airtime?
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And I just thought, boyd, none of that is what I interested
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me. I wanted to be the anchorman. I wanted to tell the stories.
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I wanted to deliver news. I'm not in this for the show business
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part or look at me part. That's not what interests me at all.
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And so growing up thinking I wanted to have a career in communication somewhere,
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radio was part of that. And I've always been told I had a good
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voice and like music obviously, and so I thought, well, maybe I'll
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do that, but then maybe you can relate to this Erica. It didn't.
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It didn't feel like an environment that would like itself to stability. Then
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I all, trust me, I know that's why I can I raise a
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family on this kind regular hours? Am I going to wake up make enough
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money? I don't want to work like five in the morning and have to
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get up at three, or I don't want to work overnights five nights a
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week and have kids at home. And I don't want to make twenty five
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grand a year and somehow live off that. And I don't want to go
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party all the time. And I don't want to do those things. As
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you can see, I just I wasn't in it for any of that kind
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of extra stuff. I just wanted a stable job. You had that already
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set in your head at an early time. For me, it it came
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later, and it when it really hit me, I was like kind of
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in a crisis, like a life crisis, because I had my dream was
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to be on the radio. I just wanted to be a rock and roll
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DJ. That's all I wanted. And my dad just passed last year and
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he was in radio and I got into it because of him, and we
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just loved it. You know. We just we lived and breathing and but
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but we always had we always struggled financially. I mean I would have times
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where I distinctly remember to just still when I said, you know, Dad,
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I need a new pair of sneakers, and he was stressing and I
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didn't understand. I was just ting years old. But my mom got a
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job to help keep things going, just to keep the house, keep food
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on the table. Yeah, and the hours and he would he would work,
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like he'd get up at three to four in the morning to do the
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morning radio and the job stability, you know, and I and I would.
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They say, like, you're not really officially in radio until you got
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fired, you know, And I got I got can. I did a
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morning show for like a couple of weeks, and then all of a sudden
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they had this meeting and they decide we don't want you and doing mornings anymore.
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I mean it was that kind and you start as you get older.
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I got to my thirties, I was like, I can't do this.
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I can't. I just can't do this. Now I still have all my
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a lot of my friends, it's still working radio and they make it happen
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and they do it and sometimes there are such a way is where it can
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work. But yeah, we're talking like you don't even crack thirty grand a
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year. I mean, you know a lot of times. And so yeah,
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you realize and I think you made the right move. I mean I
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don't think. I mean, everybody's got their own journey. They go on,
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and I think you made the right move. But now, lo and
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behold comes this technology where all of a sudden you can do this from home.
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And so that's what I was blown away by. I'm like, wait
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a minute, I could do this in my own house, you know,
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because it would be driving forty five minutes to an hour sometimes more for a
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lot of people to get to the station. So when do you decide I
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want to do a podcast? This is because you've been doing this show for
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a good seven years? Is it seventy years? Just we just went past
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eight a couple of months ago. When did you start to realize like,
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I can do this or I want to do this? Well, I don't
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know if that. Those are tough questions to answer, to be honest.
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So I started for here. I mean, as we've established huge music guy,
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huge music collector. Some people are really good at, you know,
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building things, or the stock market or computers. I'm good at knowing albums
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and who played on them and when they came out exactly. And none of
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it's you know, anything you can make any money off of. But that's
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just what our brains work. So for a while I started to become really
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obsessed with the idea of how do people make a living in music? When
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what did it was? I went into this. I don't even I don't
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collect vinyl, and I don't do it on purpose because I know that I
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would spend every cent I have and to put us in the poorhouse. But
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I like going to record stores, you know. And I went to this
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record store by my house once and I'm in the discount bin and I'm just
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seeing record after record that I've never heard of, and I don't recognize any
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of the songs. And there's this one that I pull out in particular as
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a band called Flame, and I see that they were on RCA and this
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album came out in the late seventies. Jimmy Iovine produced it, Jimmy Crespo
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as the guitarists. And I'm thinking, I know so many of these names.
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What the world happened to this band Flame? What they have a story?
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These people on the back of this album cover, they put their whole
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heart and soul. They thought they were gonna make it. They created this
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piece of art for you to step into and absorb and live in. And
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it went nowhere, not really, you know, and yet it exists.
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And these people have lives and they went out. What did they do?
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Where did they go? How did they make any money? Did they make
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any money? What do you do after that? You know? This token
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of my soul is floating around out there, and discount bins and record stores.
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No one's ever heard of what's their story? You know? And I
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just became really obsessed with I want to tell those stories. And I thought
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for a while, how I would do this? Do I At the time,
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blogs were more popular. You don't really have blogs so much any more,
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but blogs were it. And I thought, well, maybe I'll start
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a blog. You'll see if people will talk to me. And then I
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thought, well I would. I'd love to have a podcast, but I'm
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in Denver. No one comes through Denver. My wife's gonna kill me if
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I suddenly like buy a bunch of production equipment or I like rent a you
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know, studio space in the hopes that people are gonna And I'm a nobody.
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No one's ever heard of me, No one knows who I am.
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Why would anyone stop and talk to me? You know. And a buddy
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of mine, who sadly died a couple of years ago of cancer, he
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my best friend, he was he was saying, look, why don't you
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just put something see if anyone out there will just help you with some audio
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engineering, with just some editing, simple editing, and just reach out to
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some people and see what they would do. And I did. And this
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one night I couldn't sleep and I thought, I'm gonna go get on the
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computer and I'm just gonna reach out to some of the bands that I like
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that I would love to interview for the show and see what they say.
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And I remember distinctly, I emailed nine different bands, and the next morning
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when I woke up, four of them replied and said yes, one of
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them said no, and the other four I never heard back from. And
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I thought, that's four people. I got to figure this out, you
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know. They said yes, Now what am I going to do? And
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I work for a software company. I'm in sales, and so the companies
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I worked for that provide you with like a conference line for your you know,
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your customers to call from all over the world or nowadaysn't zoom, you
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know. And I thought, well, what if I had these people call
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my work line and I recorded it and then I'll figure out what to do
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about the file afterwards, I'll find somebody to help me, you know,
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insert the songs and cut it up and you'll make it happen somehow. Yeah,
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And that's what I did, and it worked out. Oh man,
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that's what a rush, though, When you got those four responses of yes,
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it was incredible, Eric, I'll never forget it. It was.
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The first response was from the band Shoes, who I don't know if you
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remember them. They were from Chicago, sort of a rock band, late
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seventies, early eighties. I really liked this, and this is another piece
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of weirdness. I discovered them when back I think it was MTVS twentieth anniversary,
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twenty fifth, I can't remember. And on VH one Classic they played
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the first twenty four hours of MTV as it played originally, and I got
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really obsessed with this because most of the stuff that played that day I've never
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heard of or has never been seen since. And they played a couple of
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Shoes videos. Wow, shoes, I've never heard of shoes, but imagine
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you go, I mean they're not. You go through the rest of your
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life with whatever your day job is, and you're like, guess what my
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band back in nineteen seventy nine or whatever had two videos that played in the
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first twenty four hours of MTV. That's kind of an historic little piece of
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trivia. There's your story exactly. So I thought, what what is that
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guy doing? Where? Where? Did what story? Stories? Does he
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tell who did he tour with? Who? How does he feel about writing
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songs? You know? So anyway, they were the first ones to say
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yes. And the lead singer of Flame, this lady named Mark Raymond,
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who was so nice. She said yeah, and so I she was.
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I think the first interview I ever did. That's one of the things I
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noticed early on you did interviews with artists. One that stands out was Chris
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Baron of the Spin Doctors, where you just you asked him. You ask
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them questions that maybe some artists might not want to answer, but they feel
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so comfortable with you. But you were asking him like, what was it?
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What happened after all of that fame and all of that notoriety and the
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sales of albums goes away? What do you do? And he was very
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honest, you know, he just told you. And that's what fascinate to
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me. You were very interested in the financial aspect of it, like how
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do you make it work? Now? I get it because you yourself was
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wanting to be in radio and you're probably thinking, Eric, I don't are
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exactly right right right, That's where the fascination. Yes, I had not
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piece that together before, but you're right, that whole idea of how do
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you how can you be creative, follow your heart, do the thing that
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you love, but also pay your bills, maintain a life, maintain a
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family, whatever it might be, you know, and the ups and downs
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of that. And when I first started, the idea was at first to
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seek out people like Jeff Murphy of Shoes or Marge Raymond of Flame or whatever.
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But I got fortunate because it was much easier than I thought it would
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be to get slightly bigger names. Now a big name eight years ago on
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my twentieth episode is different. I've since been able to get even bigger names.
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It's a snowball. I still am not going to talk to Bono.
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I wish I could, but yeah, it just keeps getting better and better,
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you know what I mean. It's a thing. And then they don't
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they know somebody right, and they'll say, exactly who would be great?
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I know so, and so let me send him an email. It happens,
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yea. And I when I send my pitch emails out, I put
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a link to the show and I just say, you probably know all of
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these people and sure enough, oh yeah, I worked with them or I
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saw you talk to this guy he produced my album or whatever. I also
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think more often than not you have your lou Reads and and Van Morrison's who
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don't want to talk. But more often than not, I think people they
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want to talk. They want to talk about their careers. They and they
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want to talk to somebody that's genuinely interested because they probably go through their everyday
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life like we do. Whenever I start talking about music or I start talking
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about my podcast, you know, you see the eyes kind of you know,
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roll the get whatever. Man. You could tell they're just not they
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don't give a rats ass. And You're like, I don't understand. I
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think I do. You know, I just interviewed the author of a book
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on blah blah blah blah, you know, like I've interviewed Miles Coltland he
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put a book on. I'm like, oh, I intereued Miles Coulton,
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Like you know, I r S managed the police, you know, yes,
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oh yeah yeah, and it just you know, not everybody loves me.
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No, you don't understand this is huge? Yeah, I know huge
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to us. I give anything to talk to Miles Copeland. Are you serious?
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The name the hustle too. I was always curious, where did that
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come from. I was looking for names again, this was a little over
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eight years ago, names for the show, and originally I was going to
23:37
call it Unsung, because the idea was there's a music connotation there, and
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there's the there, there's the implication that these people are unsung, or their
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careers didn't become what they should have been or whatever, and that was the
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name. And when I googled it, there was already a podcast called Unsung.
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And so I'm trying to think of my brother and I are kind of
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brainstorming words that are similar or synonyms or whatever, and I remembered, this
24:03
is so random. I remembered there was a magazine that I had read once.
24:07
I think it was called Giant, that I really liked, and I
24:11
never saw it again, and then it came back, and a couple of
24:15
years later someone had bought the magazine and read formatted it, and when it
24:19
came back it was more of like a black focused or urban magazine. And
24:25
I bought the first copy because I had liked what I had read before.
24:29
And I remember in the article that the new editor in chief wrote about jump
24:33
starting the magazine again, he said he said this quote that I thought was
24:37
really good. He said, hustle as the new talent, and I thought,
24:41
I like that, I see what he means by that. Yeah,
24:45
And so that was where I got the name, was this quote, hustle
24:49
is the new talent, because I thought, that's kind of what these guys
24:52
are doing in a way. You know, they have to hustle to make
24:56
a living and to stay relevant and to keep you know, putting music out
25:00
everything. I'm just thinking too of spin Doctors again. They played in my
25:03
hometown here one of the fall festivals, and it makes me think of just
25:07
what you're saying, like, wow, you know, they were playing some
25:11
pretty big venues and here they are right down the road from my place.
25:15
But also I remember one time seeing Blues Traveler when I was working on radio.
25:18
I introduced Blues Traveler at a at a club, maybe I don't know,
25:23
five hundred people. I don't never forget. A guy says to me,
25:27
he goes, why are they playing here? You know, he couldn't
25:30
believe it. And I remember saying, you know, I don't have the
25:33
answer to that. Because the music business is so fickle that once you change
25:37
into a new a new decade, that's right. It's just it's just it
25:41
doesn't matter how good you are, because Blues Traveler still puts out these unbelievably
25:45
great records that I buy and I listen to. But it's not it's not
25:48
them, it's it's just that there's it's okay, let's move on to the
25:53
next thing. There are very few Rolling Stones stories out there, even you
25:57
two. I couldn't believe when you two started putting music out that was I
26:03
wasn't hearing it the buzz on the street anymore. I was like, I
26:06
know, what is happening. I don't understand, you know, because we
26:08
again, we love music so much, you just assume that everybody's going to
26:12
be I think it was no line on the horizon. When I started to
26:17
feel that, like, it was like, why aren't people Because if Rolling
26:21
Stone said one of the best singles of the year was a track off of
26:23
that album, and we never played it on the radio station I was at,
26:27
and I never heard it in any radio stations around me, and I'm
26:30
like this, something's not right. I don't like this. If I remember
26:34
correctly, that's so funny you mentioned that album in particular. If I remember
26:37
correctly, they had. They did like every night for a week on Letterman
26:41
maybe or Leto or something to promote that album. And you, I mean
26:47
like you're saying, anytime you two puts out a new album, it's a
26:48
huge event, right, Yeah, And you think that one just fell completely
26:53
flat. First of all, it's not that good comparatively, yeah. Secondively,
26:57
Secondly, people had just moved gone. And that's what I found.
27:00
That's what I came to realize as the people I was able to get became
27:06
were becoming bigger and were bigger names that people know. Every artist, I
27:11
don't care who they are, has some kind of an arc or trajectory of
27:15
ups and downs in their career. If you're around long enough, that's right,
27:18
that's it. Eddie Money's another one. I love me too, and
27:23
I so glad I got to see him before he passed. But he had
27:29
a story that it was actually a financial magazine they were They were asking him
27:33
questions that you would ask. They said, what you know, why do
27:36
you you tore a lot? You know you're playing four or five shows a
27:38
week, he said. I he said, I sold my publishing so I
27:44
could buy a house for the life that I'm no longer married to, so
27:48
he wasn't getting put and I don't know what happened since in this was early
27:52
two thousands, but that's why he was out there playing, Yeah, the
27:56
fit you know, the town fairs or he succumbed to the casino here for
28:00
free shows. And it was funny. He came to our radio station to
28:03
do an interview and he actually said on the air he didn't give a shit.
28:07
He was talking about Kenny Loggins because you know, I'm Kenny Loggins.
28:11
Um, I'm all right, you hear Eddie right, he's kind of you's
28:17
just a little bit you hear him in there. Yeah. Yeah, he
28:18
was saying something about like Kenny still owes me money for that, and we
28:25
I remember we had Eddie Kramer, the producer of so many things, trying
28:30
to get him on for a long time. So he he he's Freeley used
28:34
to live right near us there and will in Connecticut. So it's like,
28:37
hey, you know Ace right, He's like, yeah, I know him,
28:38
he still owes me for producing his solo him at seventy eight. It
28:41
was like okay, back after this, you know, you know they all
28:52
have these stories and you know, I mean there's people. In fact,
28:55
there's a book that i'll one of the books. When we get to the
28:56
book section, I'll bring up so many of these guys. These people,
29:00
I should say, have ex wives, have kids, illegitimate kids, several
29:04
divorces, several failed businesses, several brothers or cousins or distant cousins or uncles
29:11
who they staked their business that failed or whatever. You know. I think
29:15
about someone like Roger Daltrey, who, bless his heart, one of the
29:19
greatest rock singers ever, but can't write a song, not a hit song
29:22
anyway. And so every time he needs money or he's going bankrupt because he
29:27
divorced somebody or whatever, Pete Townsend has to pull it all back out of
29:33
the barn and put it all back out of the road because that's the only
29:37
way Roger's going to pay his bills. You know. May that may not
29:40
be entirely specifically true, but it's not that far from the dress. Yeah,
29:45
the book done. Rock podcasts will be back after this. We're talking
29:49
with John Lamoraux. He's the host of The Hustle, one of the best
29:53
podcasts out there. Huge fan. You can find him on Twitter at the
29:57
Hustle pod You can also search for the Hustle Podcast on Facebook. The Hustle
30:03
Pod at gmail dot com is where you can reach out to John and you
30:06
can find it anywhere. I mean, it's on all the platforms, right,
30:10
So, favorite interviews that you've done it really just blew you away.
30:14
Doesn't have to be something the name of the person just it just turned out
30:15
that the interview itself was just yeah, one of my favorite ones ever.
30:22
Well, a couple of the ones that I that I normally go to in
30:26
times like this. One of them was with Fee Way Bill of the Tube.
30:29
Oh yes, I listened to that one. I remember that. Yeah,
30:33
Yeah, I love that one. He tells this story about and this
30:38
is his side of the story. I don't know how true this was,
30:41
but in the early eighties the Tubes opened for Bowie on the Serious Moonlight Tour,
30:48
which was a big deal, and on the last night of the tour
30:49
it also happened to be Fee's birthday, and Bowie everything you read or hear
30:56
was that by that time he was clean sad to Fee, why don't you
31:00
come up to my room later and we'll party. And Fee took that right
31:04
or wrong as an invitation to one do drugs and two have sex, and
31:11
he wasn't cool with either of those things, and so he didn't. He
31:15
never showed up. Just hearing fee Waybill tell that story is incredible. I
31:21
remember that. I remember that. My brother told me a story that I'll
31:25
never forget because it's one of his favorite bands, the Tubes, fee Waybill
31:27
and from San fran By the way, San Francisco. I'd brother says,
31:33
you know, any any band who lets people in for free if they show
31:38
up at the concert nude, that's rock and roll, and that fairly that
31:45
was the story. If you showed up nude, you get in for free.
31:48
I don't know, I believe it. If this is true, you
31:51
can confirm it. So what about interviews that almost happened? Never did any
31:56
any Oh boy? Um, there have been many people who have said,
32:01
you know, sure, I'll do it, and then I never hear from
32:04
them again. I don't know about anyone too too big, Like I really
32:08
like Paul Carrick, the you know, the thing with the squeeze and in
32:13
the mechanics, and like three years ago he was like, yeah, let's
32:15
do it, and he said my new albums and I'm kicking myself for this
32:20
when he said, my new album is coming out in like four months.
32:22
He said, we have some time. We can do it now if you
32:25
want, or we can wait and do it closer when the album comes out.
32:29
And I said, well, let's wait, We'll do it when it
32:30
gets closer. And then I never heard from him again, and I'm kind
32:34
of I wish that I had just pushed. You know, another band that
32:37
was this is pretty deep. One of the one of the bands who was
32:42
an inspiration for the show in the first place, based on you know,
32:45
like I was saying, what I was initially going after, is this fantastic
32:50
power pop band called the Producers, and they had a song called She Sheila
32:54
and What's He Got That I Ain't Got? You might remember them, and
33:00
I bet you if I heard it, I'd know it probably would or even
33:02
seeing the cover. They I love them and they're in one of these bands.
33:07
They little bit of trivia. They played the first ever MTV New Year's
33:10
Rock and Eve. So remember when that used to be a thing when we
33:14
were growing up. Yes, so nineteen eighty one, I believe that New
33:17
Year's Rock and Eve the Producers played, And see that's like an interesting bit
33:22
of trivia to me. Yeah, and I really love them and one of
33:27
their members, the bassist, he became a born again Christian and he left
33:30
had a son that committed suicide, and he now has a regular job.
33:35
But I think he plays music on the side and I would just love to
33:39
talk to him about all of that. So many interesting things, you know,
33:44
to dive into. And he said he'd do it, and then he
33:46
canceled the last minute, and then he's never come back around, or he'll
33:51
just say no or ask someone else or whatever. So what about any difficult
33:58
interviews? Did you have any any time? But he said, don't ask
34:00
me that. Or awkward moments. There have been plenty of awkward moments.
34:07
One of the most awkward really breaks my heart. Earthwin and Fire or one
34:10
of my top ten favorite bands of all time. Verdein White agreed to come
34:15
on five or six years ago. He only really, I think, had
34:21
the stamina or felt like talking for about fifteen twenty minutes. And as you
34:24
know, I like to get more deep and kind of introspective than that.
34:29
I try to be sort of the Mark Marin of music podcasts, you know,
34:32
and Verdean just everything I would ask him, Oh, yeah, man,
34:37
yeah, that was cool man. That was really cool. Yeah,
34:40
that was fun man. Yeah no, that was fun. That was those
34:44
That was cool man, that was really cool. And it just that was
34:47
like the answer to everything. And I remember one time saying, you know,
34:52
the one time I've been able to see you in concert, and he
34:57
said, oh, well maybe that's the problem. If you'd seen us more
35:00
in concert, you might ask better questions. Wow. Yeah, And I
35:06
was like, dang, that hurts, you know, coming from you.
35:09
I love you Verdine White, right, and so anyway, but I've heard
35:13
him on other interviews and he's great, and so maybe it was just me.
35:15
Maybe I wasn't the right guy at that moment. I don't know.
35:21
Did you end up? Did you? And I did? Um it happened
35:23
too. We talked for like fifteen minutes and then I would ask him something
35:28
and say, oh man, that's that's for part two. And I took
35:30
him at his word. So I waited like four or five months, and
35:34
then I talked to him again another time for like fifteen twenty minutes, and
35:37
it wasn't any better. And I put them together and put him out as
35:40
like a bonus episode. Um, I can't remember how much of the awkwardness
35:46
we left in. I think most of it. There was another one,
35:50
Richard Lloyd, who was the guitarist for television oh CBGB band. I interviewed
35:55
him and after about twenty minutes he said, you know what, I don't
35:59
want to do us anymore. I don't like you. I don't like your
36:01
questions. And it ended. And what was that interview set up directly with
36:10
you and him? Or was it one? Yeah, me and him,
36:15
and I've always it just broke my heart because, speaking of books, he
36:19
put out a book and I read it twice to get ready to talk to
36:22
him. Now, he's a trip. He's a famously sort of quickly individual.
36:27
Anytime I've ever told that story to anybody else who's been on the show
36:30
that knows him or works with him says, yeah, that sounds like Richard.
36:34
I think it might have been. I don't know, I think,
36:37
and I think out of the gate, I may have started asking television related
36:43
questions too quickly as opposed to solo related questions or his book related questions.
36:49
Or maybe I just asked the things that he was tired of talking about.
36:52
I don't know a lot of miles from a Black Velvet fame. She was
36:57
on early on and she's kind of a trip. What's her name, Michelle
37:00
Shocked? Yeah, interviewed Michelle Shocked she was a nutcase unfortunately. Really,
37:06
Um, yeah, it's just these people. I love him and I want
37:10
I hope and hope for the best. But some of them have just,
37:15
you know, kind of torpedoed their own careers out of odd personalities or so
37:21
what would be your like dream interview? Like who would be the Yeah,
37:25
I have a few of these. The top of my list is I'd love
37:31
to talk to Bruce Hornsby. I love him and I think a ton of
37:36
his music just no better summertime artists. No, I love him. It's
37:40
summer. Yeah, Yes, I love him and he's quirky and I know
37:45
he I just I've reached out a couple of times. Well I've reached out
37:47
several times. I've only heard back once or twice, and they say he
37:51
doesn't like to talk about the past. And I can see that about most
37:54
of the people I want to talk to don't do a lot of interviews.
37:57
Him, Steve Wynwood, Anita Baker, then at Sherry This is a deep
38:02
one Green Guard side the lead singer of Scritty Politti. Because these are all
38:07
people who just don't do a lot of interviews at all. That's why I'm
38:12
especially interested in them, because I just think, you people have disappeared for
38:16
decades. Where do you go? What do you do when you disappear?
38:21
You keep? How do you make a livid? How do you pay your
38:23
bills? You know? I can't get any of them to talk to me.
38:28
Well, I Bruce Hornsby. I can see that he doesn't want to
38:30
talk about the past. From a creative aspect, He's he pushes forward.
38:35
I love he continues to push forward. The album he did. The last
38:40
two albums he's done have been just phenomenal. He's got the guys from Boni
38:45
Vera, right, you know, you know, yeah, yes, yes,
38:50
Well Boni Verair is a huge Bruce Hornsby fan and lists Bruce as an
38:54
inspiration or a you know, a influence. Yeah. I saw Bruce in
39:00
concert once a few years ago. And you know, he doesn't play many
39:04
of the hits, or if he plays them, he plays them in all
39:07
new arrangements very jammy or jazzy. He is way more of a grateful dead
39:15
type than he is, you know, an Elton John type or whatever.
39:19
His output and his creative urges bear that out. He's great life. Just
39:24
don't go in with the expectations of carrying the famous songs. Absolute zero is
39:30
the one with and Justin Vernon's on there and Yes, in fact, on
39:35
Spotify, one of the top stream songs on there is cast Off, cast
39:42
Off. Okay, yes, yeah, yeah, I just I think he's
39:47
interesting. The book Down Rock podcast will be back after this. So what
39:53
are the books you've read, you read some of or would like to talk
39:57
about. I've got your list here. If to remind right, no,
40:00
I wrote him down too. I mean I like what you were saying,
40:04
Eric. Most of what I read, if not all, of what I
40:07
read, especially these days, are music related books, you know, and
40:13
like you, I feel similarly about documentaries I can read. I could watch
40:17
any rock document about any band, doesn't even have to be someone I like,
40:22
just because all of them are interesting. One on Wham on Netflix.
40:27
Yes, I mean I like the music, but I'm not right exactly.
40:30
I don't documentary it's great. Yeah, yeah, that documentary is great.
40:36
And by the way, had had their manager on this podcast because he's a
40:39
he's a prolific right, Yeah, Simon Napier Belt fantastic guy, wants to
40:46
come back on again. Great stories talking about when he managed the Yardbirds and
40:51
how he went to New York City and you know, one of the guys
40:53
that were running one of the labels there was like, you know, mad
40:55
mob Ties and he's got he's got some artists up against the wall. You
41:00
make a fucking hit from me, or you fucking debt, you know that
41:02
kind of stuff. Those stories, I'm fantastic, fantastic. He's like,
41:07
he's oh, he's talk about Jeff Beck. Yeah to that one. It's
41:10
it's it's I saw it. That's so funny you say this, Eric.
41:14
I was scrolling through your feed today because I've listened about half a dozen and
41:19
there, and I wanted to catch up on a few before we talked,
41:22
and I saw that was on there, but I haven't listened to it yet.
41:23
Yeah, so some of the ones that um and a lot of these
41:27
are recent. Actually I just a month or two ago. So the lead
41:32
singer of a band called Lush, They were one of the British they don't
41:37
like the term shoegazer, but that's kind of what they were, female fronted
41:40
alternative rock band. Her name is Mickey brenn Ye, and they were if
41:45
you Knew Rush. They were part of the first Lallapalooza. So the first
41:51
time that Lallapalooza went out, Lush was on that bill and I and I
41:54
thought. She put out a book last year called Fingers Crossed that she wrote,
42:00
and I thought, I mean, I like Lush and all power to
42:04
her, but why is this book, of all books and of all people,
42:07
getting a lot of attention. I don't. I'm kind of surprised by
42:10
this. It was probably the best rock auto bio I've ever read. I
42:21
exactly. So. She grew up in England. Her mom is Japanese,
42:25
her dad is Hungarian. Her mom is a When they got divorced shortly after
42:30
she was born, and her mom went on to be a Hollywood actress,
42:36
married and divorced and affairs with several old timey Hollywood you know, royalty type
42:43
stuff. Her dad is a stringer basically, he's like an independent journalist and
42:49
he stays in the UK and lives kind of like a hoarder. It just
42:52
sounds like filth. And his mom from Hungary comes and lives with them,
42:57
and his mom sort of sexually molests Mickey during her upbringing, and so Mickey
43:05
is shuttled between her living with her dad in the UK in like grime and
43:10
filth and you know, not a lot of money, and then her mom
43:15
is in Hollywood in mansions, you know, gilded age, living the high
43:21
life. What a dicott And I don't know about you. So often it
43:25
feels like musicians write books and they come out their autobiographies and the whole first
43:31
part about them growing up is the least interesting part of the book. It's
43:36
like, I don't care about your grandfather who was in the army or whatever.
43:39
I want to know about when you did Coke was so and so while
43:45
making your third album. You know, this is one of the few times
43:49
where that first growing up part is the best part of the book, if
43:53
or equally as good she did Okay. He's a fantastic writer and it just
44:01
gets the story. The music part is great too, heard the stories of
44:06
behind the scenes dealing with unfortunately the people like the Red Hot Chili Peppers on
44:10
that first Lallapalooza tour and like the Browy you know, her these girls in
44:16
this band having to deal with being attractive girls in a sea of men,
44:22
browy men with socks on their genitals or whatever like the not. I mean,
44:25
it was all cool, but hearing it told from her perspective, you
44:30
really empathize with her and what she might have been going through. It's a
44:35
fantastic book. You don't have to like or even know who Lush is to
44:38
appreciate how great this book is. So this is Nicky Brennye and why I
44:45
and it's called Cross Crossed. Yep. Prior to this one, I always
44:51
my common answer to the best rock auto bio that I had read was by
44:57
mid Year and it's called if I was You remember mid Year? Ultravox often
45:06
not overlooked, but you kind of you always think of exactly Bob Geldoff.
45:09
Bob Geldoff, but big part of that, yep, Bob gel I mean
45:15
they were basically a partnership. They did it together, They wrote the song,
45:17
they arranged live aid, they did everything. But Bob was sort of
45:22
catapulted as the face and then he goes on to be you know, nighted
45:25
or whatever, and Midge is just a regular. I mean, he's a
45:29
he's a great musician, but he's not Bob Geldof. He's not Saint Bob
45:34
and Midge. I've had Midge on the show. In fact, speaking of
45:37
Mickey, I'm interviewing Mickey next week about Mitch I've had on the show.
45:42
Is just one of the nicest, most gentlemanly people in pop music, and
45:47
he's had a great career, but he's not Saint Bob. And his book
45:52
is just he And I love the books where they answer every question you might
45:57
possibly come up with, and they do it honestly, and you can tell
46:00
that they're being one percent sincere with you. And that's what I like about
46:05
this book. And again that one. Maybe you have to have more of
46:07
an appreciation or care more about Mitch or you know, the new romantic mute
46:13
movement of the early eighties or synthpop or whatever. But I just really respected
46:17
his commitment to honesty and candidness, and it was just he's a decent human
46:23
being and it reads it on the page. And it's a great book too,
46:27
if I was is because that's it's named after a famous song of his.
46:31
Okay, yep, next one is an interesting one. Which one do
46:37
you have next? On your based on the life of Marvin Gay. Yeah,
46:43
okay, So this is written by David Ritz who's a fairly well known
46:49
author writes a lot of I think he's written a book on the Franklin I
46:52
think, but a lot of his stuff is focused on soul music. And
46:57
he wrote this book on Marvin Gay. Probably I think it's the only or
47:00
the definitive one that's out there. And you just come away realizing what a
47:07
troubled, complicated, mostly unsavory person that Marvin Gay was. This and it's
47:15
so it's this conflict. It's the age old question of the art versus the
47:20
artist, And I mean Marvin Gay created one of the greatest pieces of art
47:23
with the What's going On album that has ever ever created, and it's social
47:29
justice and it's spirituality, and it's all the things that really matter in this
47:35
world are bottled up in this perfect album. And yet his life is a
47:38
mess. I know about his father, that his father killed him story and
47:45
his well and his dad was a preacher and had a very unique and militant
47:51
view of Christianity and of religion. And so Marvin grew up with both sides
47:58
just at war within him constantly. We would probably call him now a sex
48:02
addict, but because of his religious upbringing, it wasn't just sex. Sex
48:09
had a very spiritual it was almost a sacrament, you know, it was
48:14
like a religious ritual to him, and so the and he was just overwhelmed
48:21
with drugs for decades and wasting. You know, he'd make a ton of
48:25
money on sexual healing, a big comeback, and he wasted all on drugs,
48:30
or he'd loan it to somebody and never give it back or whatever,
48:34
and he just messed his life up. And this black and white counterbalance of
48:39
the good and evil in an artist or in all of us. In him,
48:45
they were constantly at war, constantly, and the bad guy, the
48:50
devil, won out more often, I think, than the saint than the
48:52
angel. And it's just a shame, but these artists that we love,
48:59
Yes, yeah, and uh, I got that one on audible too,
49:02
and I think it's you know, if you listen to it at double speed,
49:05
it's probably over in about three or four hours, and it's worth it,
49:08
well worth it. Trevor Horne's much like Midyear Trevor Horne is as a
49:13
guy. Although yes, fans know him very well, but Trevor Horne's interesting.
49:15
Speaking of MTV early MTV does that one adventures in modern recording? I
49:21
mentioned MTV for those who are wondering. He he was video killed the radio
49:25
Star. That's yeah. He was a member of the Buckles. He wrote
49:30
that song. He's my favorite producer of all time and he's he's number one
49:36
and Steve lily White is number two, and sometimes they flip flop, and
49:38
I've had him both on the show. Now. Steve lily White, bless
49:43
his heart. Last fall gave me like three hours of his time. Wow.
49:45
We went deep on everything I could think of. Great, great man,
49:51
Trevor Horne. Trevor Horne is one of the letdown interviews, and it's
49:54
not his fault necessarily. He's not particularly that interesting of a person to talk
50:00
to, and we had major, major WiFi issues during our conversation. He
50:07
had been one of my dream guests for years. And when this book came
50:09
out, I contacted the publisher because he never replied and his office never replied
50:15
to any of my request but the publisher did because they want to sell books,
50:19
so they arranged for this interview and I was so glad because he was
50:22
If you had asked last year who my dream interviews were Trevor would have been
50:27
on that list. The book if you are a junkie like me and want
50:31
all the minutia of how Owner of a Lonely Heart was made? Or Lexicon
50:37
of Love by ABC was made, or Welcome to the Pleasure Dome by Frankie
50:42
Gosta Hollywood was made, or Slave to the Rhythm by Grace Jones was made.
50:46
This is the book for you and I. It was manna from Heaven.
50:50
I lapped up every word of this book, and it was everything that
50:54
the interview wasn't and I didn't. I hadn't gotten the book yet when I
51:00
did the interview, I think maybe if I had, I could have done
51:01
a better job. So the interview, the podcast interview is just so.
51:05
So the book is excellent. Last, but not least, Miles Davis Miles
51:09
Battle Biography, buddy of mine. A co worker loaned me this book about
51:15
ten years ago or so. And I love books that are so obviously written
51:22
in the voice of the person. You know that Miles wrote this, you
51:29
know because it's in his cadence, it's in his it's using his dialogue,
51:35
his black soul from Saint Louis Dialogue with that crusty voice, and you know
51:42
that he wrote this and I loved every second of it. And I'm a
51:45
casual jazz listener. I love Miles. I have tons of respect for Miles
51:50
Davis. Am I in the mood to listen to Miles Davis or any jazz
51:52
all the time? No, I'm kind of it's kind of a mood thing.
51:57
But again, you don't have to care about jazz to care about the
52:00
book, because it is so interesting listening to him well, imagining him telling
52:05
his story as you read it. Another book that reminds me of this is
52:09
that Sammy Hagar book Ready Became There was very obviously written in his voice,
52:15
with his enthusiasm and his words, and I love when someone's personality just sucks
52:22
you into their book like that. Now, unfortunately, that's likely the reason
52:25
why Alex van Hillen is not talking to Sammy. Sammy said he's He's tried
52:30
four or five times, he gives up. He said, it's it's he
52:35
said, I'm thinking it's the book. I'm thinking yeah, probably, But
52:38
if you're going out there, yeah, he put it all out there.
52:43
If you're gonna write a book, put it all out there. Um.
52:45
But at the same time, you know he can't. You can't. You
52:50
can't go back, can't turn back clock on that one. It's out,
52:52
are you How do you feel about that? Because I mean, look,
52:57
Sammy has a proven track record of success. I mean not just you know,
53:00
musically he does, but then all of his business ventures and the guy
53:05
has a care free life that he created for himself. I respect that so
53:09
much. Yes, I prefer dl Lar versus Sammy, but both Van Halens
53:15
have their value. You know what I both airis love both one of the
53:20
greatest voices in rock history Sammy, Yes, yes, hands down the third
53:24
concert I ever went to. Oh cool, I can't drive fifty five?
53:28
Yeah, I can't drive fifty five. And then he joins Van Hillen soon
53:30
after that. Yeah, one of the great and and and from what I
53:35
understand people that know him sincerely, one of the nicest guys that you can
53:38
meet. Um, But I think he's happier being a solo artist. He
53:44
likes calling the shots, but he's he is loyal to He's done a lot
53:49
of things, Like he's done a lot of things for people that we'll never
53:52
know, Like, you know, he just he helps a lot of people,
53:55
to the homeless people, the food shelters, you all this stuff.
53:59
Yeah, but but you can't deny his success as a businessman. And he
54:02
always tries to but you know, make it seem like I'm not a businessman.
54:07
But yeah, you're a businessman, you know, and you've done pretty
54:09
damn good. You know, I've reading that book. You know he had
54:13
all those bicycle shop and he had what was it, right, Yeah,
54:16
Sammy's you know, and I loved you know, I love I love Dave.
54:20
Just you know, Dave's just a character. He's one of the most
54:22
colorful and his book Did you ever read his books? It's hard to it's
54:25
it's it's in his voice. So you're just kind of like, where's he
54:29
going? Well, that's how I feel every time I hear him interviewed.
54:34
He's one of these people you were asking me earlier about who I would want
54:37
to interview and who I you know, who has been disappointing. Part of
54:42
this is that you want not only do would I want to interview someone like
54:45
David Lee Roth, I would want it to be the kind of interview that
54:49
I would want it to be. And I don't know that he's capable of
54:52
getting you got yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, he's like
54:55
a song and dance jazz as evidenced by you know, just a jiggalo and
55:00
that's life and stuff like that. He's more that guy tried have he tried
55:05
following his Joe Rogan interview because that was like too old to think, Yes,
55:08
I can't. I have a hard time following just about anything because and
55:12
it's almost like he knows, yes, he knows that you want the rock
55:15
stuff and he's not gonna give it to you. And at the end of
55:17
the day, it's like, I just love Dave Man, just Dave,
55:20
keeping you keeping Dave. The world needs rock stars and he is certainly one
55:27
of them. But boy, he's somebody he can't do the same thing over
55:30
and over again, and that's that's Unfortunately his career has taken a hit because
55:35
of that, because he's just he can't. He's not going to be like
55:37
them this formula. Okay, let's just keep making it album over and over
55:39
again. Yeah you said that. Now at the time, you said it's
55:44
a book you wanted to read, but you had it, so now I
55:46
think you finished it. Phil Collins not dead yet I have that. A
55:50
couple of you were asking some of the books that I really wanted to read.
55:52
I mean, I'll read anybody's books, but like, I went on
55:54
a splurge on Audible recently and I bought Phil's book, which I have read
56:00
yet, which I want to I read. I bought Keith Richard's Life,
56:04
which I've heard nothing but great things about. Johnny Marr from the Smiths.
56:07
I'm a huge smith fan. His book I can't remember the name of it
56:10
now, but I bought that too. I've heard good things about David Byrne.
56:15
I think his book is called how to Make Music or how to Make
56:16
Money Making Music or something like that. I've heard that's fantastic, and I
56:22
bought that too. So I like to save these for road trips. And
56:25
next time I'm on a road trip, I'm gonna burn through a couple more.
56:28
I was gonna say, where's your favorite place to read or what time?
56:31
Yeah, So two things the audible stuff is I try to and I
56:39
don't like to listen to a little bit here and there. I try to
56:42
get as much as I can in one time. So I saved those for
56:45
road trips. As far as books, I'm reading literal, you know,
56:49
tactile books. I read on my lunch hour a lot. You know.
56:52
I work from home, and so I'll go up and make myself some lunch,
56:55
and then with the time that's left over, I'll lay on my bed
56:58
and I'll read my book for a little while. That's cute, you know.
57:00
And that is the life. And speaking of which, my other my
57:06
favorite thing, I've been doing it for about a year a year and a
57:07
half now, is on Sundays when we come home from church, I get
57:14
some to eat and then I lay in bed and I just start reading my
57:16
book for hours. And if I get tired, I'll just rest the book
57:21
on my chest, goes off for a few minutes, and when I wake
57:23
up, it's, oh, it's been about a half hour. I'll read
57:27
again. I'll keep reading for a little while, and then i'll get tired
57:29
again. I'll put the book back on my chest and I do that for
57:31
like three hours that Sunday afternoon. It's the best. That's my new you
57:37
know, I love it. Well. We finished with books on rock you'd
57:40
like to see written and haven't been yet. Just a couple here, one
57:44
on Slie the Family Stone, like a definitive book and another on Holloo.
57:47
It's those would be good books. Yeah, Holodo's I'm a huge fan of
57:51
and I think there was someone wrote a book about them that's way out of
57:53
print, like in the late seventies early eighties. I'd love something more definitive.
57:58
And then as far as I feel like I feel like fly in the
58:01
Family, Stone need the like Ray Charles Treatment or whatever you know that or
58:08
the Eagles or something. That story is for me. I want to know
58:14
every nook and cranny of that story and I want it told right. I
58:16
had not there a guy named Joel Sullivan Rhoda. Oh yeah, you know
58:22
him. Okay, so he hasn't been but I'd love to have him.
58:24
I think I reached out to publish for one of his books. Yes,
58:29
so he put out he re released or you know, republished in Our An
58:34
Oral History of Slides from the nineties, and it was good. But I
58:38
just would like to see something updated and like a no knowledgeable narrator walking us
58:45
through the whole story. I feel like sly that life is chaos and I'd
58:50
love to know. Yeah, he more about it. I mean he's still
58:54
alive. He lives in a van. He lives in a van like a
58:59
sprinter van and in somebody's front yard. It's not right, you know it
59:04
that, but that's the life he's chosen for himself, you know what I
59:07
mean. He's also like sold off all the publishing and all that kind of
59:10
stuff for drugs or whatever. He lives in a van in like his lawyer's
59:15
front lawn or sometime. And how many people walk by him every day.
59:19
I have no idea who it is because exactly like, yeah, oh yeah,
59:24
this this was we covered it all. Man, this was so great.
59:28
I'm so I'm so glad I just reached out to you. I finally
59:30
for the longest time, I'm like, I got to reach out to this.
59:32
You gotta get him on, gotta get him on, and finally,
59:36
Yeah, it's uh, keep doing what you're doing. Man. I'm in
59:39
the middle of your most recent episode, which is on Echo Belly. They
59:44
were a British britpop band in the nineties that I really liked. Yeah,
59:49
a much bigger deal in the UK than here. Tomorrow's episode is Ricky Phillips,
59:53
who was in The Babies and then Bad English and now Sticks. Okay,
59:59
the episode coming out tomorrow. Very cool. I'm honored you would ask
1:00:02
Eric honestly, thank you for It's a huge honor. Thank you man,
1:00:07
Thank you. Anytime you want to, you want to guess to talk to
1:00:09
San Halen. You know, you know, you know where to go.
1:00:13
He're the guy I would love. I would love that we'll have to find
1:00:21
something to do together, some kind of you know what I mean, some
1:00:23
kind of panel discussion or something. I'd love to pick it back up and
1:00:27
do it again. That was an adventure. I was quite a show you
1:00:37
put to me. Well, let me just close this conversation by saying you
1:00:42
are one unique individual.