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Dan Burmawi - The Truth About Islam, Israel, and Palestine · World Ablaze with George Fontes

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  all right and now we are kicking off the show so i'm excited to have you here
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  dan bermaui did i say that correctly yep okay great um came across a few of your posts on x
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  is how I found out about you.
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  Then I saw your videos,
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  and then I saw that you had this Project X.
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  It's Project EX.
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  It's an organization that you formed.
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  And this is what I was really interested in.
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  So I see what you had pinned on social media
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  where you state,
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  I left two religions, Islam and Palestine.
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  I am a convert twice over,
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  and once from Islam to Christianity,
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  once from Palestine to truth.
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  And then you go on to say a lot more.
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  You rejected Islam at 18 and et cetera.
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  So I want to know more about your experience with Islam
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  and also more about your organization, this Project X,
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  and what it is you actually do.
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  And then I have other questions down the road as we dive into this deeper.
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  But let's start with your experiences.
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  What led you to reject Islam?
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  What about Islam did you find out or discover
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  that it was not an actual religion,
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  but actually just more of a political movement
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  or basically a way to gather people
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  to gain control of the area
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  is what it really seems like it is.
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  Well, thank you, George, for having me.
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  I'm excited about this.
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  Well, basically, I'm asked this question all the time
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  about how I lift Islam, why I lift Islam.
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  And I can give you 1,000 different answers.
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  Because it depends on how you approach the question.
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  Do you want to approach it theologically?
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  Talking about the relationship with God, what is salvation, how Islam doesn't offer any spiritual transformation or relationship or reconciliation with God.
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  Or we can do it from a social perspective, how Islam, I would say, creates a slavery mentality.
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  You're not free.
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  Your relationship with God is based on fear, obedience for the sake of obedience, and how that ends up creating dictatorships.
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  That's why in the Islamic world you cannot have secularism or free societies because the imagination of the people cannot comprehend freedom.
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  It's always about dictatorship, the authority, the concept of authority itself in Islam is distorted.
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  So my experience with Islam is really simple.
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  When I was 18 years old, I made the decision that I wanted to commit myself to serve Allah and serve Islam and defend the Prophet Muhammad after the Danish cartoonist controversy in 2006.
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  and I was moved or I was captured emotionally by what happened on the streets of the Arab world
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  as a response to the drawings of the Prophet of Islam.
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  But after a year of practicing Islam with full devotion,
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  I realized that I was hidden toward and did end road.
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  There was nothing that Islam could offer me spiritually at all.
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  Then, of course, I realized by reading the Islamic history that I was looking at a warlord and a theology of enslavement.
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  It was an expansionist political ideology.
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  That's it.
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  and I converted to Christianity after reading the New Testament,
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  had to leave my country because they couldn't practice my new faith
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  in a country where 99% of the population are followers of one religion,
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  one sect of the religion, actually,
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  and in a culture that demands conformity.
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  And that's it.
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  So let's rewind a bit and dive a little bit into what you said here.
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  I want to understand, so what about Islam is based on authoritarianism or in creating dictators?
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  Where is it that that is found in Islam itself?
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  Listen, I'm working on my book.
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  I'm going to talk about my book.
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  Of course.
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  Today I was writing about how the Catholic Church didn't need a sacred text in order to justify violence during the Inquisitions.
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  It only needed a sacred institution.
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  That sacred institution found a high demand for salvation.
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  We human beings, we need to be saved, whether we are believers or non-believers.
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  Suffering in this world urged us to find a way to get saved, whether temporal relief in this world or eternal relief.
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  So what happened during that time that justified violence, even though the biblical text doesn't justify violence at all?
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  The church, as an authority, attached salvation to defending God and justified violence to protect the church.
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  So, even the Catholic Church without a text was able to do it.
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  Imagine Islam with hundreds of texts in the sacred Quran and in the sacred Hadith.
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  What Islam is capable of. Now, many of the Islamic apologists try to argue that the interpretations are not true, have different interpretations. They try to refer to mysticism or metaphorical language. I don't care about all of that.
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  At this point, it's really irrespective of what they think the damage has already happened.
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  And that damage, to explain it to our audience, is the 14 centuries of violence using the sacred text and the role model of Muhammad.
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  That is irreversible.
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  So you asked me what in Islam constitutes this. I would say simply this. It's a combination of searching for salvation, the characteristics of God as a brutal dictator himself,
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  threatening you with hellfire, grave torture if you don't obey him,
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  and framing non-Muslims into enemies of Allah,
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  and the role model of Muhammad leading or authorizing 86 battles,
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  ordering assassinations against dissenters and poets who criticize him.
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  Even for criticizing Muhammad, you get your head chopped off.
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  And the Islamic history tells establishing the rule of Allah.
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  So, of course, I can go now and give you a list of verses.
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  Surah 9, verse 5, Surah 9, verse 28, Surah 9, verse 42.
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  I can give you like a list of hadiths, sayings of Muhammad.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  It's not how...
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  It's like you can...
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  Frederick Nietzsche said that there is no meaning.
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  It's only interpretation.
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  And I can give you a verse.
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  And that verse has its own horizon.
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  And you also have your horizon.
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  And there is a fusion of horizons when you read it. What is the horizon of the Islamic world? It is a horizon shaped by centuries of practical theology, of conquest, subjugation of non-Muslims.
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  Muslims, viewing non-Muslims as second-class citizens, they don't have value.
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  The value is determined by your religious affiliation and your obedience.
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  It's not a universal value like we have in the Western civilization.
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  So when you have a God like that and that vision of God form your imagination, you end up manifesting that image into the world.
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  you cannot function with a secular regime because you don't comprehend that kind of governance.
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  You get cognitive dominance because you believe that authority is tyrannical.
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  It's brutal.
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  And then you end up with a system that has individual rights, has blind justice.
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  It doesn't work like that.
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  It's like there's discrimination all the way, everywhere in the character of God himself.
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  So I hope this explains to you why the argument, the whole argument about you don't get this meaning, the interpretation, it doesn't matter.
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  All of it, it doesn't really matter.
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  We're talking about deeper truth here.
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  Yeah, that's always the rebuttal.
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  that's always, you don't get the meaning
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  because you're not reading it in the actual language
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  or from the Arabic perspective.
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  You're looking at it through a Western lens,
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  so you don't understand, right?
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  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah, that's always the rebuttal.
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  Yeah.
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  But you can see the repeated behavior throughout centuries
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  over and over and over.
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  And then there are those who say that
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  even if you can read the language
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  and you can interpret it from there,
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  And that's the other thing I've noticed, and I don't know if I'm wrong on this, but it seems that with Islam, there is no room for interpretation.
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  It's a literal reading of what the word is, and that's what it's supposed to be.
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  Is that a correct assessment?
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  I'll go beyond that.
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  I will say this.
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  There is no interpretation at all in Islam.
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  There is only one interpretation superior to everything else, and that is Muhammad himself.
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  It's like you can have a thousand different books about interpretation of the Quran and the meanings and the events, and it doesn't matter.
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  It's like you have Muhammad as the ceiling.
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  He's the ultimate authority on that sacred scripture.
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  You want to understand God, look at Muhammad.
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  He is the incarnation of God in the imagination of Muslims.
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  Even though Islam claims not to be a polytheistic religion, but it is actually.
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  In practicality in its practical side it is a polytheistic religion Because Muhammad is almost equal to God Without Muhammad you cannot be saved Without Muhammad you don have you are not accepted
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  by Allah. So
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  Muhammad is perceived
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  by Muslims
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  as
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  central figure
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  to not only the
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  tangible side of the religion
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  but the spiritual side even.
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  So
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  Why I say that, it doesn't matter what interpretation you look at,
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  because at the end of the day, we have the story of Muhammad
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  shaping what you believe about God and about others.
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  So he is the interpretation.
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  Yeah, so they're literally within the scriptures,
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  putting Muhammad, it seems to be above God himself,
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  is what it sounds like.
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  And they don't really acknowledge Jesus, or do they?
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  Is there anything in there?
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  Because the scripts of Islam did come after.
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  It wasn't before.
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  There's even evidence of mosques built on top of older temples
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  that way predate Islam, absolutely predate Islam.
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  So I got to ask you this, though, because is there a different version?
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  Okay, so Muslims, correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Are they not defined as people who practice Islam or worship the God according to the Quran or basically Muhammad?
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  Is that true? Is that the definition of what a Muslim is?
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  Yeah, a Muslim who believes that Muhammad is the messenger of the creator of the universe.
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  Okay, so with that being said, what's the difference between someone who practices Islam,
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  who's not supposed to deviate or have any interpretation, and that person who is considered
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  an extreme Islamist? Is there a difference? Do people progress? Because we always hear stories
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  how in some Middle Eastern countries or even cities, whatever, that they're kind of getting
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  away from Islam a bit or being a little more progressive in their views. So I don't know if
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  this is true or not, but is there really a difference? Is there an extreme Islamist versus
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  someone who practices Islam or is it all the same? No, there is no difference at all between
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  Muslim and an Islamist. That is a made up term. Islamism is a made up term. It was embraced by
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  the Western government after 9-11 in order to be able to contain or combat the Islamic
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  terrorist groups without having to go against 1.5 billion Muslims.
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  So they said, okay, we're going to differentiate between the so-called radical groups and the
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  rest of the Muslims.
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  So then the average Muslim believes exactly what we hear about people who are considered
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  extreme immigrants.
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  Islamists.
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  Every single Muslim in the world.
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  Yeah.
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  Everything that's not the East or according to Muhammad's teaching has to go, has to be converted, or death to all infidels.
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  Is that correct?
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  Every single Muslim in the world has to believe what ISIS believes in order to be a truthful, authentic Muslim.
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  So then how is it that we can accept that any Muslim could be integrated into any culture then?
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  They have to get rid of Islam.
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  They have to push Islam to the back.
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  And that's the problem.
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  Because the path of salvation in Islam is obedience to Allah.
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  You have to adhere to all the commandments of Allah.
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  Or there is a very shortcut.
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  Jihad, martyrdom.
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  You die in the path of Allah.
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  So here's the thing.
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  The majority, the extreme majority of Muslims, they don't practice true Islam because Islam is impractical.
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  It's inconvenient. They cannot reconcile it with their reality.
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  So they ignore it. They simply live as if it doesn't exist.
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  But at the same time, they cannot condemn it because they know that this is the real Islam.
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  So they always justify it.
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  Hamas, you know, performing jihad,
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  they have to find a justification.
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  Oh, it's resistance.
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  Oh, it's, you know, they are oppressed.
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  ISIS, they would be like,
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  ISIS was created by the United States of America,
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  by the Western imperialists.
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  Yeah, that's all bullshit, by the way.
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  So anyway, it doesn't matter.
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  It's like they will find a way not to condemn it.
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  because they know they cannot condemn.
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  If they condemn ISIS, they condemn Muhammad.
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  I challenge 1.8 billion Muslims living in the world today
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  to give me one single act that ISIS did that Muhammad didn't.
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  So reality is not all Muslims are really true Muslims then.
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  I mean, there's a lot of people that ignore.
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  They have to come up with a new name for their religion.
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  That's a religion that has, unfortunately, even though we're saying they're not true Muslims, but their epistemological reality is Islamic.
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  What informs their knowledge of the word is Islamic, even though if they don't practice it.
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  So that's another dangerous thing.
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  And that's what I'm trying to challenge.
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  I'm trying to
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  educate the West
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  about Islam
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  but at the same time
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  they want to challenge Muslims
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  to rethink Islam itself
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  like
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  you cannot really wait
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  until Islam
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  takes over the world
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  so that you can
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  practice Islam
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  because other
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  other than that
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  there's no way to practice it
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  you will go to jail
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  so
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  so anybody who is
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  considered Muslim
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  because Muslim
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  obviously
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  always kind
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  like at least in the West
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  we use the word
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  to refer to a people
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  correct
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  And so it seems like there's no way to separate those who are just not religious people, right?
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  They're a bit more secular in their views, but they're still classified as a Muslim or someone who practices Islam.
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  So it seems like there's no way for them to escape it.
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  Is that a true assessment?
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  That's true, but we need to be careful because not all Muslims who identify with Islam wake up in the morning plotting against the rest of the world.
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  it doesn't work like that.
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  Yeah, that's kind of my point
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  I guess I'm trying to make is
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  how do we count for those individuals versus
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  the literal...
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  First of all, we need to understand that the majority of Muslims
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  who migrate to the West
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  they are coming for
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  a bitter future, for
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  a bitter opportunity, for the freedom.
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  But they would
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  always ally themselves with
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  Islam whenever
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  the opportunity allows.
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  However,
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  However, they're not a threat by themselves, except if they are radicalized or if they are pulled into a more authentic, radical version of Islam through different Islamic movements in the West.
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  Now, again, you're asking me a very difficult question. I don't know how to answer it because I want to be fair to the majority of Muslims out there. But at the same time, I can't really think of a way because the line between identifying with Islam and not practicing it and becoming a true Muslim is very thin.
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  it's one
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  prayer away
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  one
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  epiphany away
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  one decision to
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  be committed
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  so that's the danger
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  but I don't want to
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  spread fear
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  I don't want people to start
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  because this is wrong
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  I'm not saying be
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  fearful of Muslims, all Muslims
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  that's not true, no
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  the majority of Muslims, again, they are not practicing
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  Islam,
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  true Islam. But unfortunately,
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  I understand where you're coming from, but
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  that's not what my intention is
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  either. I'm trying to understand because this is the way I look at it.
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  It's like everybody says the Western world
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  is Christian, but not everybody is religious or
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  practices Christianity. Everyone's
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  a Catholic, but they only practice Catholicism
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  on Sunday. And the rest of the week, they're just a
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  bunch of jerks. So that's
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  what I'm trying to get at. I think
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  people are throwing a blanket over
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  people that are considered Muslim, but
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  in reality, in today's world,
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  we hear the news, we hear the leaks that
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  come out that not everybody
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  who lives in those regions actually believes
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  in that particular religion, but they have
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  no way out. They're just
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  stuck in the culture that they were born into.
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  Yeah, it's different than being Christians
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  or Jew or any of that. That's what I'm
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  trying to say. I'm not trying to... In Islam...
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  Yeah, I'm not trying to spread the fear. Let me help you understand what's going
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  on here. Sure. I was watching
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  a TV show, and
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  a Jewish person
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  met his dad
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  and he told him, hey dad, I
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  became
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  a Jew for Christ.
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  And his dad
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  said like, things like
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  that. He's like, he didn't care
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  for that.
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  He didn't kill him.
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  He didn't. There was like
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  it passed.
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  A few seconds. That's it. Okay, you're a Jew
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  for Christ. Who cares? You're converted to
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  Christianity? It doesn't matter.
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  Now, if you're a Christian and you tell your parents, I'm converting to Scientology, maybe they're going to have a conversation with you.
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  I don't know, but they're not going to threaten to kill you.
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  In Islam, it's different.
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  Identifying with Islam means that Allah is your God.
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  Muhammad is your prophet.
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  The Quran is your book.
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  you see the word from an Islamic lens
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  but
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  it's not necessary that you practice
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  everything in Islam
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  because you can't
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  simply you can't practice it
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  there are too many elements
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  in Islam that
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  are dormant
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  that you cannot practice anymore
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  now can you leave Islam
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  and like
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  be fine
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  nobody's going to touch you
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  It's unlikely because, again, Islam doesn't give you that room.
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  You are either in or out.
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  If you're out, then you are the enemy of Allah.
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  It's not an intellectual struggle.
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  It's not a wrestling with ideas.
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  No, it's affiliation to the tribe, to the nation, to the ummah.
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  So that's why as long as you are inside the borders of the ummah, the nation, the danger is real.
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  The majority of Muslims go to mosque only on Friday, just like Christians go on Sunday.
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  But the difference is Christianity, it gives you a framework to deal with the word.
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  Islam doesn't give you only a framework.
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  Islam interferes with every single detail, with every single detail.
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  So that is the difference between Islam and Christianity, is that Christianity is a private faith.
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  It is something that informs how you see the world, of course, but it's most about spirituality, about salvation, about metaphysical reality.
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  However, Islam interjects itself into every single detail of your life, and it comes attached with violence.
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  your identity itself is connected to Islam.
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  If I ask you, George, what are you?
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  You might say, I'm American, I'm a man, I'm a father,
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  I'm a Christian, right?
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  It's like Christian comes number four.
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  But if you ask a Muslim, what are you?
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  I'm a Muslim.
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  That's number one.
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  That's what defines your identity.
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  so that's why
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  being non Muslim doesn equate non Christian It not like that
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  Non-practicing Muslim is still a Muslim.
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  So I hope that makes sense.
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  I understand what you're saying,
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  but it also leads to this.
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  How are we not supposed to fear
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  the conquest that is inherent
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  in the practice of Islam?
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  them in? How are we not supposed
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  to fear those? Because here's the deal.
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  If you're born into a culture to where
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  you're encapsulated and captured
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  and you have no way out, and when you
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  want to get out, you're in fear of
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  dying, right? And so even
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  if you come to the West, people still will
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  label you as a Muslim, so you still can't get out
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  it seems.
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  In the West, it's easier.
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  People in the West, once we leave,
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  they leave. They take
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  advantage of the freedom here.
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  But unfortunately, Muslims in the
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  they become more radical, more devout
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  to Islam. Because
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  now they are living behind
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  the enemy lines.
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  The enemies of Allah, of course.
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  And
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  obedience to Islam becomes
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  allegiance. Right, right. But now we're
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  talking about someone who takes it from the extreme view,
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  right? Tries to live
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  the life. No, no, no. It's not extreme view. This is like
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  the view of all... It's just the view.
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  There's no such thing as extreme.
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  No, no, no. This is like the view. If you
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  are living in
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  a non-Islamic land,
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  then you are living
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  behind the enemy lines.
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  Yes.
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  It's like I can look
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  into the eyes
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  of every single Muslim
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  in the world
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  who confess Islam
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  as his religion
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  and tell him this.
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  A non-Islamic land
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  is an enemy land.
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  Right.
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  You cannot say otherwise
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  because it's engraved
• 27:52
  in your imagination,
• 27:57
  in your understanding of the world,
• 27:58
  that there is an Islamic land
• 28:01
  and non-Islamic land.
• 28:02
  That's it.
• 28:02
  I get it.
• 28:03
  I do understand that.
• 28:04
  But the question still,
• 28:06
  how are we supposed to be accepting
• 28:08
  of these people looking for a better life
• 28:10
  if in the end,
• 28:11
  they all want death to the West, apparently.
• 28:15
  They all want to change the West.
• 28:17
  They all want to live under the banner
• 28:20
  of hence they came.
• 28:23
  They want to continue that lifestyle no matter where they go.
• 28:26
  So what's the point of migrating for a better life
• 28:28
  if you're just going to go backwards once you capture that land?
• 28:32
  You're just going to revert back from whence you came.
• 28:34
  Yeah, that's where law and order comes into place.
• 28:39
  All people don't want to stop on the red light.
• 28:44
  They want to keep driving.
• 28:45
  But they stop because there are consequences.
• 28:52
  It doesn't matter if a group of people wants to take over the world as long as they don't have the means to do it.
• 29:00
  You have people who are Nazis in America.
• 29:05
  You have people who are still dreaming of the Confederacy and slavery.
• 29:10
  So they're not able to do it.
• 29:13
  Why? Because their ideology has been exposed.
• 29:19
  and they don't have the means to enforce them.
• 29:23
  The same thing should be done to Muslims.
• 29:26
  Muslims are not going anywhere.
• 29:28
  You cannot get rid of them.
• 29:29
  They are people.
• 29:30
  They have rights.
• 29:31
  They are free to worship whatever they want,
• 29:33
  to believe whatever they want.
• 29:35
  But you need to make sure that this ideology
• 29:42
  is not rebranded as peaceful ideology
• 29:47
  because you will let it slip through the cracks
• 29:50
  and reshape your society.
• 29:53
  You need a diagnosis.
• 29:57
  You need to say,
• 29:58
  oh, hold on a second.
• 30:00
  This is a dangerous ideology.
• 30:02
  If you don't say that,
• 30:04
  you are risking the future
• 30:07
  of the Western civilization
• 30:09
  because you want to be tolerant.
• 30:12
  Yeah, I know. I understand.
• 30:13
  You just say the truth.
• 30:15
  Islam is a political ideology that has a religious aspect to it, and Islam wants to take over the world.
• 30:25
  And Muslims, because they identify with Islam, they don't have a choice whether they go with this vision or they leave Islam.
• 30:36
  And it's not easy to leave your religion.
• 30:38
  so my dear Muslims
• 30:40
  since your religion
• 30:42
  wants to take over the world
• 30:45
  we're going to make sure that
• 30:47
  it doesn't
• 30:49
  right but so
• 30:51
  let me say something here
• 30:53
  I am
• 30:54
  not against anything you're saying by the way
• 30:57
  I'm just trying to understand because it seems like
• 30:58
  it gets very
• 31:00
  fuzzy when we're trying to define
• 31:03
  you know how do we respect
• 31:05
  the person who wants to not live
• 31:07
  under the rule of Islam.
• 31:09
  You know what I mean?
• 31:09
  And those that know that they can't
• 31:12
  because they're stuck in it.
• 31:13
  Now, what you said earlier was,
• 31:15
  well, yes, there are people,
• 31:17
  they have a right to do whatever they want,
• 31:19
  worship, et cetera.
• 31:20
  But it's not true of a Nazi.
• 31:24
  Once we know someone's a Nazi, it's over.
• 31:26
  We don't allow them to practice it.
• 31:28
  If we know that they've committed crimes, they're done.
• 31:30
  So how come we can't apply that same principle
• 31:32
  to the people who practice Islam?
• 31:35
  Why are we not allowed to?
• 31:36
  Nazis, they believe in that ideology and they live among others.
• 31:46
  Understood.
• 31:46
  But as soon as you know someone…
• 31:48
  They don't practice it.
• 31:49
  Of course they don't practice it.
• 31:50
  The same thing.
• 31:51
  What I'm saying is Muslims cannot practice Islam in the West.
• 31:57
  What I mean by that, the Islam that entails taking over the world, which they call political
• 32:04
  Islam in the West, which I call Islam, should be categorized or recognized as a political
• 32:12
  ambition, political ideology, and banned.
• 32:16
  You cannot preach about it in mosques.
• 32:21
  you cannot use
• 32:23
  the
• 32:24
  religion freedom
• 32:27
  second amendment
• 32:30
  sorry the first amendment
• 32:32
  freedom of speech and
• 32:33
  freedom of religion to
• 32:35
  preach about jihad
• 32:37
  you can it's like you need to
• 32:40
  really dig deeper
• 32:42
  you cannot take Islam as a monolithic
• 32:44
  entity
• 32:45
  it's a religion it's not a religion
• 32:48
  we can
• 32:49
  divide
• 32:51
  that private faith aspect of Islam, allow it in the West, but everything else should be banned,
• 33:00
  should be recognized as a political ideology that you can believe in, but you cannot practice.
• 33:08
  Yeah.
• 33:08
  As simple as that.
• 33:10
  It all comes down to this.
• 33:11
  I know that people sometimes when I say this, they think, oh, Danny, you're radical.
• 33:15
  It's not going to happen.
• 33:17
  My dear friends, there's no other way.
• 33:21
  Whether you strip the religious label from Islam or Islam is going to take over your civilization.
• 33:31
  Period.
• 33:32
  There's no other way.
• 33:33
  If a Muslim wants to practice prayer, fasting, all the rituals that is private and personal and spiritual, fine, that's religion.
• 33:46
  But everything else, everything else, that's trying to convert people through deception.
• 33:57
  That is another political strategy in Islam.
• 34:03
  It's like, why Muslims are allowed to have booths everywhere in Western cities,
• 34:11
  but Christians get killed in Islamic countries for preaching the gospel?
• 34:16
  why?
• 34:18
  It's like you need to address this
• 34:19
  because you just
• 34:23
  So
• 34:24
  let me coin it this way
• 34:26
  let me go back to what I was trying to say
• 34:27
  the world over can absolutely
• 34:30
  justify that
• 34:32
  Nazi bad, but they will not
• 34:34
  say Islam bad, I guess that's what
• 34:36
  I was saying, I'm going to simplify what I was saying
• 34:38
  but that's what I was trying to say
• 34:40
  everyone can recognize someone who
• 34:42
  considers themselves a Nazi as bad
• 34:44
  right away, we don't want that person
• 34:46
  but when it comes to Islam, everyone's afraid to identify it for what it really is.
• 34:50
  And you know this, you're going to know a lot more than me,
• 34:52
  but if you look at the history, I mean, literally,
• 34:55
  Muhammad, not too long after he started gaining control,
• 34:59
  he wanted to expand his empire.
• 35:01
  It had nothing to do with converting to a certain religion.
• 35:05
  He wanted to expand the empire just like the Romans did,
• 35:08
  and he wanted to do more.
• 35:09
  He wanted to go out.
• 35:10
  There was nine Muslim conquests, right?
• 35:13
  And then we can talk about the inquisitions and whatnot, but those were in response to the Muslim conquest.
• 35:19
  Absolutely were.
• 35:20
  We have an evidence, historical evidence, the Patriarch of Jerusalem sent a letter to the Patriarch of Antakya during the siege of Jerusalem.
• 35:32
  The Muslim troops were about to enter Jerusalem.
• 35:37
  And in his letter, he said, the Arab gangs are asking us to pay the jizya or they will enter the city.
• 35:49
  The patriarch did not mention they are asking us to convert to Islam.
• 35:55
  So this is an evidence that it was a conquest of political expansion.
• 36:02
  But of course, it used religion in order to expand.
• 36:06
  But going back to your point, it's like, yes, a Nazi is a bad person, but we cannot say all Muslims are bad. No, not all Nazis are bad because you're born, if you're born into a Nazi family, it's not necessary that you believe or you want to practice it.
• 36:32
  So we say Nazism is bad, not the people, because we don't know. Every person has their own version, their own journey, their own understanding. We don't attack people. We attack the ideology itself. I don't care because you can be a Muslim, but your worldview was shaped by different circumstances. You get the point.
• 37:00
  I understand, but if you...
• 37:30
  Otherwise, they will be considered upper state.
• 37:33
  So the ideology is dangerous.
• 37:36
  And Muslims are the victims of this ideology.
• 37:41
  So what do you want me to do?
• 37:44
  I can vet immigrants, ideological vetting.
• 37:49
  I can do a lot of things on the security level.
• 37:54
  But when it comes to real life, you have two billions of Muslims.
• 37:58
  I cannot say that all of them are a threat because it's not practical. I don't know what to say. You can't do that. It's just simply wrong.
• 38:13
  But we can say Islam itself, the ideology is bad.
• 38:21
  And if we don't admit that, then we are risking our future, the future of our children.
• 38:30
  And we cannot let Muslims, by the way, enforce Islamophobia on the rest of the world and protecting Islam from scrutiny.
• 38:43
  There's no such a thing as Islamophobia.
• 38:47
  It's a manufactured term to protect the religion.
• 38:52
  Hatred toward a group of people is different than criticizing their religion.
• 38:57
  You can criticize Christianity Judaism You can say whatever you want about Moses or Jesus or Paul Nobody going to kill you
• 39:09
  We want the same thing.
• 39:10
  We want to be able and to be free to criticize Muhammad,
• 39:15
  to criticize the Quran, to tell the truth, our truth,
• 39:19
  what we see to be truth about Islam.
• 39:22
  But Muslims as individuals, as people,
• 39:26
  absolutely
• 39:27
  any hatred
• 39:30
  toward them
• 39:32
  just for the sake of
• 39:34
  hatred itself or inciting
• 39:36
  of violence is wrong
• 39:38
  must be condemned and
• 39:40
  we must never tolerate that
• 39:42
  my mother is still Muslim
• 39:44
  but the ideology itself
• 39:46
  there is
• 39:48
  you cannot protect the ideology
• 39:50
  because you don't want to be
• 39:52
  or to seem racist
• 39:53
  and
• 39:54
  Islam is not a race.
• 39:58
  So you cannot really be racist
• 40:00
  against Islam.
• 40:03
  Connecting Islam to race
• 40:05
  to brown immigrants,
• 40:07
  oppressed group of people
• 40:09
  is a radical left
• 40:11
  product
• 40:12
  that was designed to
• 40:15
  advance
• 40:17
  their ideology of the
• 40:19
  oppressed, oppressor
• 40:20
  view.
• 40:22
  So, yeah, I think there is a thin line between a Muslim and Islam, but we should not cross that line. However, we shouldn't let Muslims prevent us from criticizing Islam.
• 40:39
  that fusion of Islam and Muslims
• 40:42
  must be obliterated.
• 40:45
  We cannot tolerate it.
• 40:47
  Otherwise, Islam will infiltrate
• 40:51
  through Muslims without you realizing it.
• 40:55
  You need to separate the ideology from the people
• 40:57
  and protect yourself from it.
• 41:00
  Yeah, so that's basically
• 41:03
  what I'm trying to get at
• 41:04
  when I'm trying to ask.
• 41:05
  It's like, I don't think anybody
• 41:07
  agree with attacking a person just for existing. But on the other hand, many people are defined
• 41:16
  by what they identify with or practice like a job. The problem with Islam is you can't
• 41:24
  leave Islam like you leave a job. You don't punch in eight to five or nine to five and then go home
• 41:29
  and all of a sudden you're a different person. No, you're defined as that person 24-7. That's
• 41:34
  the problem. So how do
• 41:36
  we separate a
• 41:38
  bad ideology from a person
• 41:40
  who's just trying to live?
• 41:43
  Again, you
• 41:44
  just have laws in the
• 41:46
  land to protect
• 41:49
  you from whatever that ideology
• 41:51
  entails. Similar to what's going on
• 41:52
  in Italy and whatnot,
• 41:55
  in other European nations lately, where there's
• 41:56
  like, now you can't wear
• 41:58
  the headdress. You can't
• 42:01
  do certain things anymore that are
• 42:02
  part of your religion. I mean, is that
• 42:04
  a way forward in
• 42:06
  suppressing some of that?
• 42:10
  I wouldn't
• 42:11
  prioritize the hijab
• 42:13
  or the niqab or the
• 42:15
  halal food. I don't care about that.
• 42:17
  No, no, I was just using an example.
• 42:19
  I will tell you what
• 42:21
  I care about. What I care about is
• 42:23
  after realizing that Islam
• 42:25
  is a political ideology,
• 42:27
  then
• 42:28
  I should see all
• 42:31
  the Islamic entities
• 42:32
  as a potential threat.
• 42:37
  So I have to monitor fundings
• 42:40
  to all Islamic charities,
• 42:42
  all Islamic nonprofits.
• 42:45
  I have to assume that true Islam,
• 42:51
  which entails the political ideology,
• 42:54
  is being preached at mosques, at schools.
• 42:58
  So the government, in order to act
• 43:01
  within the framework of the law
• 43:03
  needs to first
• 43:05
  find a way to
• 43:08
  do this.
• 43:10
  It's like because of the freedom of religion,
• 43:13
  you cannot control
• 43:15
  the speech at most.
• 43:18
  Right?
• 43:19
  You cannot
• 43:20
  monitor all fundings to
• 43:23
  non-profits, Islamic non-profits,
• 43:25
  because you will be accused of
• 43:26
  Islamophobia and hatred and bigotry.
• 43:29
  But the law must be enforced. There must be a way to give the government the power to do that. Just imagine, for sake of the argument, that Pablo Escobar turned his Koch empire into a religion.
• 43:53
  I wrote about this once.
• 43:57
  And according to the United States laws, they are free to worship the god of powder.
• 44:04
  And they are able to recruit believers and to practice the religion of using the drug.
• 44:16
  Is the United States government going to let that happen?
• 44:20
  No.
• 44:21
  because even if Pablo Escobar
• 44:25
  ended up with
• 44:26
  a recognized religion
• 44:28
  they will
• 44:31
  tell him, listen
• 44:32
  you can worship the god of powder
• 44:34
  but
• 44:36
  that powder is illegal
• 44:38
  so we are not
• 44:40
  going to let it
• 44:41
  we're not going to confuse it
• 44:44
  with the religious part
• 44:46
  of your
• 44:48
  movement, we're going to
• 44:50
  seize it. We're going to
• 44:53
  punish people for using it
• 44:55
  or trading.
• 44:58
  So the same
• 44:59
  thing with Islam. I'm sorry, I'm using
• 45:01
  radical examples, but that's the reality
• 45:03
  we're dealing with. Jihad
• 45:05
  is... Yeah, but I don't think these are radical
• 45:07
  examples because you keep bringing
• 45:09
  up freedom of religion, freedom
• 45:11
  of speech, but even within
• 45:13
  that framework, there is a way to
• 45:15
  suppress the spread of hate speech.
• 45:18
  Right? And we can consider
• 45:19
  most of what is being practiced
• 45:21
  in the Quran as hate speech
• 45:23
  because anybody who is not considered
• 45:25
  a Muslim is considered
• 45:28
  what do they call it? Infidel?
• 45:29
  Is that correct?
• 45:30
  And they must what? Convert or die.
• 45:33
  That's the message.
• 45:35
  Or bandage.
• 45:36
  So then
• 45:37
  is that not a way forward
• 45:40
  in doing so?
• 45:41
  So what I'm seeing is the way
• 45:43
  it is being spread into the West is because
• 45:45
  exactly like you said, nobody
• 45:47
  wants to be called a racist,
• 45:50
  an Islamophobe.
• 45:51
  We all want to be accepting.
• 45:53
  But in my opinion, look,
• 45:55
  if cultures don't mix, that's just what it is.
• 45:59
  We don't
• 45:59
  always have to meld
• 46:01
  together.
• 46:03
  We don't. I mean, how many Westerners are moving
• 46:05
  to the Middle East to set up shop
• 46:07
  and start a new life?
• 46:10
  Many are moving
• 46:12
  to Dubai.
• 46:12
  Right, but
• 46:14
  it's not the same.
• 46:17
  It's not an Islamic country.
• 46:19
  It's not the same as what we're seeing on the other side of it.
• 46:23
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 46:24
  But I have to say this.
• 46:25
  The United Arab Emirates is being used by all Muslims around the world
• 46:29
  to argue that you see Islam is capable of building a civilization.
• 46:35
  But that's not true because everything Dubai represents is important.
• 46:43
  the laws, the values,
• 46:47
  the economy,
• 46:49
  everything. Everything about
• 46:50
  Dubai is all about money.
• 46:52
  It's important. That's the most important thing.
• 46:55
  That's all it is. It's an important system.
• 46:57
  Everything about it. So you
• 46:58
  cannot claim it is Islamic
• 47:00
  by any way it works for.
• 47:02
  It's the same reason China turned to
• 47:04
  capitalism.
• 47:06
  The system was failing.
• 47:08
  That's exactly what Dubai is.
• 47:10
  That whole thing was just an economic
• 47:12
  movement. So, again...
• 47:15
  Is the point clear? You need to
• 47:18
  differentiate between a private
• 47:22
  faith that doesn't have
• 47:26
  social catastrophic consequences
• 47:29
  and hate speech, or not only
• 47:32
  hate speech, but a political strategy,
• 47:34
  war strategy, that's targeting
• 47:38
  the West. You cannot consider it to be part
• 47:41
  of that private faith.
• 47:43
  You need to differentiate
• 47:44
  between the two.
• 47:45
  But the problem is
• 47:47
  when they tried to differentiate,
• 47:48
  they ended up with Islamism and Islam.
• 47:50
  They said Islamism is not connected
• 47:52
  to the sacred text of Islam.
• 47:55
  Its political movement
• 47:57
  emerged in the mid-20th century
• 47:59
  in the Middle East.
• 48:01
  That is disastrous
• 48:03
  because, no, we need to differentiate
• 48:07
  between two outcomes
• 48:09
  of the same text, a political outcome of the same exact text of Islam, and spiritual, ritual
• 48:20
  practices also, the outcome of the same text.
• 48:25
  The political side is not separate.
• 48:29
  It was not the result of Western imperialism.
• 48:37
  it was not the product of political movement
• 48:43
  that hijacked the label Muslim or Islam.
• 48:48
  No, not true.
• 48:49
  It is the product of Islam itself,
• 48:53
  its sacred text,
• 48:55
  the life and actions and sayings of Muhammad
• 48:57
  and the historical reality of Islam.
• 49:03
  Well, everything you're saying is a lot
• 49:05
  that I have been saying.
• 49:07
  what you just said, by the way.
• 49:09
  I get criticized, but the reality is I did a dive into the history.
• 49:15
  Like, where does this extreme terrorism come from?
• 49:17
  Everybody always blames the U.S. for it.
• 49:19
  And it predates.
• 49:20
  It goes all the way back to the mid to late 1600s CE.
• 49:25
  I don't even know if I'm pronouncing this right.
• 49:26
  The Harajits, right?
• 49:27
  Or the Harajit.
• 49:28
  And they were the people that were known to practice this extreme terrorism
• 49:32
  against their own people, other Muslims.
• 49:34
  They didn't care about the West back then.
• 49:36
  And they did this all the way through about, I think, 12 years.
• 49:38
  You're talking about the Khawarij?
• 49:39
  Yeah.
• 49:40
  Like I said, I can't pronounce it.
• 49:42
  No, no, not only the Khawarij.
• 49:43
  The Khawarij is used by Muslims to exonerate Islam.
• 49:50
  They say, you know, Khawarij invented terrorism.
• 49:52
  No, Muhammad invented terrorism.
• 49:54
  No, understood.
• 49:55
  But what I was researching was that the first acknowledgement of terrorism on record in history was…
• 50:02
  Yeah, they see them as very…
• 50:04
  And I know it goes before that, but it's crazy to think that everybody believes America created it, created this terrorist-like mindset.
• 50:16
  It goes back over, like you said, almost 1,400 years.
• 50:19
  In the 60s, the left, the radical left, they wanted to blame America for everything, especially with the war in Vietnam and the emergence of new ideological or new school of thought that is connected to postmodernism, relativism.
• 50:49
  and post-colonialism.
• 50:52
  It's like America is an imperialist power system.
• 50:56
  America got here to this greatness
• 50:59
  as a result of colonialism and imperialism
• 51:02
  and abuse of power.
• 51:07
  And when communism died
• 51:11
  by the fall of the wall of Berlin,
• 51:14
  they needed something else,
• 51:16
  a structure to lean against with their ideology.
• 51:22
  So they found Islam.
• 51:24
  So Islam actually is the alternative
• 51:29
  that the communist Leninist found
• 51:33
  in order not to give up their ideology.
• 51:37
  It's as simple as that.
• 51:39
  Because Islam has the same characteristics
• 51:41
  of some of the characteristics of communism.
• 51:45
  So they found an alternative, a safe alternative.
• 51:49
  And through Islam, they can't keep attacking the West.
• 51:52
  They can't keep attacking America, capitalism.
• 51:55
  So they had to say, in order to justify Islamic terrorism
• 52:01
  or exonerate Islam from terrorism, to say,
• 52:04
  is a Western invention.
• 52:10
  America is responsible for creating a ta'id.
• 52:12
  America is responsible for ISIS.
• 52:16
  And this is a two-folded win,
• 52:22
  if I'm saying it correctly.
• 52:23
  They get to blame the West,
• 52:28
  which serves their agenda.
• 52:31
  And at the same time,
• 52:32
  it
• 52:34
  empowered their alliance
• 52:37
  with Islam.
• 52:40
  So, yeah, it goes,
• 52:42
  you can read, there's a book by
• 52:44
  David
• 52:45
  Howitz,
• 52:48
  the founder of
• 52:50
  Howitz Freedom Center.
• 52:52
  It's called The Anholy Alliance.
• 52:53
  You can read about all of this in that book.
• 52:56
  Yeah, I've heard about that book.
• 52:57
  I haven't read it, but I've heard about it.
• 53:00
  And a lot of people didn't realize
• 53:01
  is that even Afghanistan at one point was a communist nation.
• 53:05
  They were.
• 53:06
  That's true.
• 53:08
  And Iran, too, at a time, was communist.
• 53:12
  We're going down that road.
• 53:13
  So I guess a lot of people attribute terrorism to the U.S.
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  because of our involvement,
• 53:17
  but the intent was to stop the spread of communism,
• 53:20
  not create terrorist organizations,
• 53:23
  which is what we did not do.
• 53:26
  I mean, terrorist organizations were already there.
• 53:28
  They just got the backing and funding to expand,
• 53:31
  and continue what they wanted to do on a much larger scale.
• 53:35
  And as you said, the West then became the enemy.
• 53:38
  It was now the focus.
• 53:39
  It gave them a mission, right?
• 53:40
  A focus.
• 53:42
  And I have a message to the isolationist
• 53:45
  who wants America not to interfere with anything.
• 53:49
  What's your thoughts on that?
• 53:50
  I was wondering how you feel about that.
• 53:53
  You can't claim the word leadership and isolate yourself.
• 53:58
  It's ridiculous.
• 53:59
  If you want to isolate yourself, just give up leadership.
• 54:03
  But with that, give up prosperity and the best economy in the world.
• 54:10
  It's ridiculous.
• 54:11
  You cannot reap the benefits of being the most powerful nation in the history of humanity.
• 54:19
  And at the same time, you want to isolate yourself.
• 54:21
  We need to focus on America.
• 54:23
  Dr. Carlson, we need to focus on our streets smell like pests.
• 54:28
  it doesn't matter.
• 54:30
  It's like you have to look at both
• 54:33
  internally and externally
• 54:35
  because you're the world leader.
• 54:37
  Right.
• 54:38
  The U.S. is still seen as a leader,
• 54:40
  but then you have other leaders
• 54:42
  that don't want the U.S. to be the leader.
• 54:44
  They don't want them to be in the lead
• 54:46
  or intervene.
• 54:48
  So it's like...
• 54:49
  But there's the price for not being a leader.
• 54:51
  Right, but on one side,
• 54:53
  on one side, I agree with what you're saying.
• 54:56
  I understand what you're saying.
• 54:57
  But on the other, the world is trying to get away from the U.S. being the major power in the world right now, or at least the lead as far as the power dynamic is concerned.
• 55:09
  So I don't believe the U.S. should stop.
• 55:12
  I don't think it's going to happen.
• 55:15
  At least not in the next century.
• 55:19
  I'll tell you why.
• 55:22
  Being the world leader is not about economy.
• 55:26
  It's not about China and its factories and the labor numbers.
• 55:36
  It's about the architecture of your morality.
• 55:40
  It's about your values.
• 55:42
  It's about freedom.
• 55:44
  America is great because it has these values at the root of its identity.
• 55:53
  America became rich because it has these values.
• 55:56
  America became rich because it's great.
• 56:00
  It doesn't become great because it's rich.
• 56:03
  So people get it backwards.
• 56:06
  It's like, you know, we are rich, so we are leading the world.
• 56:11
  No, you're leading the world because you're great.
• 56:15
  You became rich out of that greatness.
• 56:17
  Are these values at risk?
• 56:20
  Yes.
• 56:20
  are they abolished?
• 56:23
  No.
• 56:24
  We are still enjoying the freedom
• 56:27
  that no other nation on earth has.
• 56:30
  Just look at the UK, for example.
• 56:34
  It's a dictatorship.
• 56:36
  It's like if you tweet,
• 56:38
  if you post something on Facebook,
• 56:40
  you go to jail.
• 56:41
  In China, oh my goodness,
• 56:44
  you cannot even compare that.
• 56:46
  It's like, listen,
• 56:48
  there are elements for greatness.
• 56:50
  And China, it doesn't have any of these elements.
• 56:55
  Freedom is at the center of being a great leader.
• 57:02
  And America is still the land of the free.
• 57:06
  So my message to the isolationists is like, don't even think about it.
• 57:12
  the moment you think you can isolate yourself,
• 57:18
  you are giving up your morality or moral responsibility.
• 57:25
  And if you give up your moral responsibility,
• 57:28
  you're giving up your values, which made you great.
• 57:32
  Right, but everything you said is true, right?
• 57:38
  I agree with everything you said,
• 57:39
  but the sentiment of isolationism by some people,
• 57:43
  if you're talking about people in the United States, by the way,
• 57:46
  is not so much not wanting to be a free world
• 57:51
  or even offer freedom to people.
• 57:54
  The sentiment comes from those here
• 57:56
  that don't want to keep spending our tax dollars funding wars.
• 58:01
  And that's what people are concerned with.
• 58:03
  A lot of people are wondering,
• 58:04
  why do we always have to get involved?
• 58:06
  Why can't you handle your own bullshit, basically?
• 58:10
  Why can't you handle your own fight?
• 58:12
  And I'm not saying I agree with that.
• 58:14
  I'm just explaining to you what...
• 58:16
  You're the big brother.
• 58:17
  Yeah, where that's coming from.
• 58:19
  Yeah, but you're...
• 58:20
  As the big brother, you have to be there present,
• 58:25
  ready to be responsible, to lead,
• 58:29
  to provide wisdom and guidance,
• 58:32
  and sometimes through strength.
• 58:33
  I will give you an example, that catastrophe that we're witnessing today in Syria. I believe it is that natural outcome of the American's desire to end wars. Look what we have today.
• 58:55
  America thought, okay, if we take al-Assad down, and this way we weaken Iran, and we get rid of Hezbollah supply line, and at the same time we deliver Syria to this jihadist group, we can contain it, we can control it.
• 59:19
  This way, we don't have to, you know, prolong the war.
• 59:24
  And we will contain it. It's manageable.
• 59:28
  So this way, we are not spending money in the Middle East.
• 59:32
  Now, look what's happening.
• 59:35
  There's no such thing as shortcut to peace.
• 59:37
  the jihadist regime in Syria,
• 59:42
  even as they are trying to gain
• 59:46
  international recognition,
• 59:49
  they couldn't behave themselves.
• 59:53
  It's like they couldn't for a few months
• 59:55
  until the world accepts them.
• 59:58
  They massacred the Allahites,
• 1:00:00
  and today they're massacring the Jews.
• 1:00:03
  Now, if America didn't make the decision and they kept the lesson because there's no other way to rule Muslims, unfortunately, in the Islamic world, except through the religious government or the dictatorship.
• 1:00:20
  There's no other way.
• 1:00:21
  If you kept the lesson, you had to fight Iran.
• 1:00:24
  Well, maybe you will have a longer war, but you will make sure that jihadists are not ruling one of the most strategic, important nations in the Middle East.
• 1:00:39
  So there's a price for trying to end wars.
• 1:00:43
  yeah but
• 1:00:46
  so the argument
• 1:00:48
  is we need perpetual
• 1:00:51
  war to keep it from
• 1:00:53
  getting out of hand
• 1:00:54
  to keep it from becoming a bigger war
• 1:00:57
  and at the same time it's as if
• 1:00:59
  it's being said that
• 1:01:01
  you know we can't afford
• 1:01:03
  for the US
• 1:01:04
  to not exist and get involved
• 1:01:07
  in everybody's
• 1:01:09
  everybody's
• 1:01:11
  squabbles
• 1:01:12
  America, if the United States is going to keep doing the same thing over and over again, that is stupidity.
• 1:01:21
  They cannot expect different results, right?
• 1:01:25
  So what is the solution then?
• 1:01:29
  Look at what happened in Afghanistan.
• 1:01:30
  America spent $2.4 trillion, lost thousands of soldiers.
• 1:01:38
  and the exit, the shameful exit,
• 1:01:44
  it's like the historical shameful exit
• 1:01:46
  of the United States from Afghanistan.
• 1:01:49
  No one is going to forget that ever.
• 1:01:52
  So what happened?
• 1:01:53
  What went wrong there?
• 1:01:54
  I'll tell you what went wrong.
• 1:01:56
  America went to Afghanistan thinking of the same scenario
• 1:02:02
  of Japan, Germany, South Korea.
• 1:02:05
  You know, nations want to be built.
• 1:02:08
  nations seek prosperity and freedom, and they will stretch their hand to us and they will let us help them rebuild.
• 1:02:17
  That misconception, that assumption that every single body in the world is similar and they think like us is disastrous.
• 1:02:29
  they did not understand that the ideology in Afghanistan and the ideology in Iraq
• 1:02:36
  doesn't care for prosperity and rebuilding and the future.
• 1:02:40
  It cares for something else, and that is destruction, death, expansionism.
• 1:02:47
  So they completely ignored the ideological reality, the theological reality of Afghanistan,
• 1:02:55
  And they ended up paying $2.4 trillion, losing thousands of soldiers and leaving behind them a more destructed country, a more destroyed country than the one they entered.
• 1:03:13
  So instead of American organizations funded by the government going to Kabul University teaching about transsexualism, they should have done something else.
• 1:03:28
  They should have tried to dismantle the theological structure that shape the reality of these people in order to focus on the future, not on death and war and struggle.
• 1:03:48
  So if America wants to keep doing what America is doing now or what has America been doing for the past 20, 30 years, then, yeah, I support the don't interfere position.
• 1:04:06
  Why bother?
• 1:04:08
  But America has to do it in a different way.
• 1:04:11
  It's like instead of replacing the wilayah project in the Middle East, the wilayah is the Shia Iranian vision of governance.
• 1:04:23
  Instead of replacing it with the Sunni caliphate, you keep fighting the Sunni caliphate and the Shia wilayah and in both of them.
• 1:04:35
  but keep alternating between both
• 1:04:39
  but only gives you
• 1:04:41
  ceasefire
• 1:04:43
  that's it
• 1:04:44
  you will keep ping-ponging
• 1:04:46
  between fighting the Shia
• 1:04:49
  and then fighting the Sunnah
• 1:04:50
  every 20 years you have
• 1:04:52
  you're sick and tired
• 1:04:54
  of the Sunni jihadism
• 1:04:56
  let's go to the Shia wilayah project
• 1:04:59
  you're sick of them
• 1:05:00
  it doesn work that way you have to to identify the roots of this conflict why this keeps happening
• 1:05:13
  You need to use your leverage, your power and economy and the strength of your economy
• 1:05:22
  to force Arab leaders and Islamic leaders
• 1:05:26
  not to do reformation and education on their own.
• 1:05:35
  You need experts to reform the curriculums in the Arab world.
• 1:05:42
  You need to overhaul the religious speech in the Arab world.
• 1:05:47
  You need to weaken the ideological grip of Islam
• 1:05:51
  in order to achieve a long-lasting peace.
• 1:05:56
  But jumping between Shia and Sunnah,
• 1:06:01
  same terrorism, different names, different labels,
• 1:06:05
  is going to waste your resources
• 1:06:07
  and you will never be able to achieve peace.
• 1:06:12
  Okay, so there's a lot to unpack on what you said.
• 1:06:16
  So let's just get back to Afghanistan.
• 1:06:18
  First time we were ever there was why?
• 1:06:20
  Who was our enemy in the beginning?
• 1:06:21
  Russia, really, communism.
• 1:06:23
  That was the reason we even got involved.
• 1:06:26
  Now, there's a lot of conspiracy theorists that always say,
• 1:06:28
  well, no, there's other nefarious reasons
• 1:06:30
  America ever got involved in the Middle East.
• 1:06:32
  It was to basically rob, steal, and plunder all the resources.
• 1:06:37
  A lot of people argue that side of it.
• 1:06:38
  But realistically, we were there
• 1:06:40
  because we were trying to stop the spread of communism.
• 1:06:43
  2001-ish, we went back for what?
• 1:06:46
  The war on terror.
• 1:06:48
  Now, we can argue whether or not 9-11
• 1:06:51
  was a hoax and it was done by our own government.
• 1:06:53
  A lot of people believe that.
• 1:06:55
  Let the conspiracy theorists chase that rabbit hole.
• 1:06:58
  But the reality is the war on terror.
• 1:07:02
  Now, what you're saying is, hear me out.
• 1:07:06
  Now, we as a nation, let's say the reason we were there
• 1:07:11
  was to abolish terrorism, abolish Taliban, abolish Al-Qaeda.
• 1:07:15
  We want to get rid of them.
• 1:07:16
  we wanted to, let's say, give freedom to the people who, from our point of view, did not want
• 1:07:23
  to live under the rule of terror. Okay. So now, now, now we, now we achieve abolishing that for
• 1:07:30
  as long as it did anyway. Right. It wasn't forever. You know, it rose again, but let's just,
• 1:07:34
  let's just stay on, on what I'm going to say here. Yeah. Okay. So now that that's gone
• 1:07:40
  and there's the opportunity for the people to finally step up and accept that they may even
• 1:07:46
  have an opportunity of freedom. They chose not to, or were they still afraid to do so because
• 1:07:52
  they were still in fear of the remnants of what might be left from these terrorist organizations.
• 1:07:57
  So what the problem we're having is, and everything you're saying in the solution that
• 1:08:02
  you're proposing, I understand what you're saying, but it's almost like America has to go over there,
• 1:08:08
  take all the land over, rule it, eradicate their way of thinking,
• 1:08:13
  and try to make them a different people.
• 1:08:16
  That's not going to happen.
• 1:08:18
  And when we're talking about colonizers earlier,
• 1:08:20
  when we're talking about colonizers earlier,
• 1:08:22
  the biggest colonizers were never the United States.
• 1:08:24
  It was the British.
• 1:08:25
  They're the ones who went in and took over the Middle East years ago and ran it.
• 1:08:29
  They ran out of money and resources,
• 1:08:30
  and that is why the U.S. was asked to step in and help the British.
• 1:08:34
  But that's what happened way back then.
• 1:08:36
  So what is the solution?
• 1:08:38
  Afghanistan was a huge, it was a big debacle, right?
• 1:08:43
  The way we pulled out was stupid.
• 1:08:45
  It never should have happened that way, ever.
• 1:08:48
  And I'm not disagreeing with you.
• 1:08:49
  But what I'm hearing from you and what I'm trying to understand is,
• 1:08:52
  how is it moral for us to go and take over a people
• 1:08:57
  and try to convert them to become something else?
• 1:08:59
  I'm not suggesting that.
• 1:09:00
  I'm not suggesting that at all.
• 1:09:02
  I'm just saying utilizing the American power in order to make a difference.
• 1:09:07
  For example, Egypt, I believe their U.S. aid is, I'm sure if it's 1.7 billion or 3 billion, something like that.
• 1:09:17
  I'm not sure.
• 1:09:18
  Anyway, we can find out.
• 1:09:19
  if the United States
• 1:09:21
  asked Egypt
• 1:09:23
  like, yeah, we want to give you
• 1:09:26
  $1.7 billion, we're giving them
• 1:09:28
  to you anyway, but
• 1:09:29
  can we talk about your
• 1:09:32
  curriculums and schools,
• 1:09:34
  what you're teaching your children?
• 1:09:36
  It's like,
• 1:09:38
  it's a legitimate
• 1:09:39
  task
• 1:09:41
  because you want to protect your
• 1:09:43
  international interest
• 1:09:45
  and national security. So you need to make
• 1:09:48
  sure that Ayman al-Dawahiri, another Ayman al-Dawahiri, is not graduating from Egyptian
• 1:09:53
  schools.
• 1:09:55
  So does America do that?
• 1:09:57
  Absolutely not.
• 1:09:58
  They don't care about that at all.
• 1:10:01
  They only care about integrating diversity into the curriculums and talking about homosexuality.
• 1:10:13
  Who cares about that?
• 1:10:14
  True, but those things did come later.
• 1:10:16
  So what about before all of that was the movement?
• 1:10:19
  We were still giving money and aid to many countries in the Middle East.
• 1:10:23
  And I guess, you know, based on what you're saying is we weren't holding these countries
• 1:10:26
  accountable.
• 1:10:27
  It's like, sure, you want the money, you need the funding, but we don't believe in the way
• 1:10:30
  that you're running things.
• 1:10:31
  We don't believe in the basis of what your culture is built on.
• 1:10:36
  That's, I mean, that is, we're then on the danger of becoming an authoritarian government
• 1:10:44
  trying to take over the world.
• 1:10:46
  It's like imposing our view and culture on a note.
• 1:10:48
  You're using your money.
• 1:10:49
  I'm giving you money.
• 1:10:49
  Listen, I'm giving you money, a lot of money.
• 1:10:51
  By the way, it's not only the $1.7 billion that the Egyptian government gets.
• 1:10:56
  I don't have the number now.
• 1:10:58
  I'm going to research it.
• 1:10:59
  I'm making a note here.
• 1:11:00
  But I believe it's tens or hundreds of billions of dollars every year that goes to Egypt.
• 1:11:08
  No, no.
• 1:11:08
  You're right.
• 1:11:09
  Just a second.
• 1:11:10
  Through the nonprofit organizations, from the American money, from American organizations.
• 1:11:14
  America can use that for the good of the people.
• 1:11:20
  It's not being tyrannical authoritarian.
• 1:11:22
  That's not true.
• 1:11:23
  I just want to make sure.
• 1:11:25
  Listen, my friend, I want to help you, but please let me just take a look.
• 1:11:30
  What's going on here?
• 1:11:31
  Okay, your second class, I'm sorry, the book of religion in the second year at school,
• 1:11:44
  is teaching that the companion of Muhammad, Abu Ubaidah,
• 1:11:49
  beheaded his own father because he was an infidel.
• 1:11:54
  Can we just remove that for God's sake?
• 1:11:56
  You cannot keep this and keep getting $100 billion a year from me.
• 1:12:01
  So I'm not throwing some imaginary impossible asks or requests.
• 1:12:10
  I'm not asking the United States government to be authoritarian or colonial.
• 1:12:14
  I'm just asking very simply, you need to recognize, okay, the Islamic countries and the Islamic governments, they have to appease the fundamentals in their nations.
• 1:12:31
  And of course, this is what happens.
• 1:12:34
  I'm not making this up.
• 1:12:35
  If you have a president or a king in the Arab world, in order to prevent the Muslims who are fundamentalists, who are very religious, from interfering with politics, they give them authority over everything in the country except politics.
• 1:12:56
  So they ask them, don't interfere with politics, but go and do whatever you want with the education.
• 1:13:03
  They deliver the education department to them.
• 1:13:05
  and to their idyllic.
• 1:13:08
  Now, can the United States of America
• 1:13:10
  make a difference using its power,
• 1:13:14
  utilizing its resources?
• 1:13:15
  Absolutely.
• 1:13:17
  The fact that the U.S. is not doing it
• 1:13:20
  is because the U.S. administration,
• 1:13:24
  one after the other,
• 1:13:26
  is surrounding themselves with idiots,
• 1:13:29
  with eggheads in academia
• 1:13:32
  who don't understand Islam at all
• 1:13:35
  or who believe that Islam is a peaceful religion,
• 1:13:41
  but there are different interpretations,
• 1:13:45
  or leftists who believe Islam,
• 1:13:48
  Islamism is the result of imperialism,
• 1:13:51
  or Muslims who would never admit that Islam is a problem.
• 1:13:57
  So I wrote an article about this.
• 1:13:59
  I said that the counselors of collapse,
• 1:14:03
  I called them the counselors of collapse,
• 1:14:05
  They are the counselors who are not giving a true counsel to the lawmaker.
• 1:14:12
  And the result is wasted resources, trillions and trillions of dollars, American lives.
• 1:14:22
  And we haven't moved even a step.
• 1:14:27
  We're still at the same square.
• 1:14:31
  So as far as money goes, I don't know the exact amount of Egypt either.
• 1:14:35
  but I've done a lot of research on that in previous episodes.
• 1:14:39
  I can just tell you that if you combine territories and countries,
• 1:14:42
  every year the U.S. funds over 240 territories and countries combined, period.
• 1:14:48
  The number I do know is, for example, like with Israel,
• 1:14:50
  $3.2 billion every year regardless.
• 1:14:53
  Now, the argument has always been with some of these funds
• 1:14:55
  that a lot of that's supposed to come back to purchase military aid
• 1:14:59
  or supplies, et cetera, maybe even food.
• 1:15:01
  But it's not just that minimum amount that we send every country.
• 1:15:04
  There's always more to that, like you said.
• 1:15:07
  So I get what you're saying.
• 1:15:08
  It's like, you want this support, but for us to support you, we don't support this view.
• 1:15:15
  So you got to make an adjustment if you want to continue to get that money, right?
• 1:15:19
  So I understand it.
• 1:15:20
  And it's not a bad idea.
• 1:15:23
  I get your idea.
• 1:15:24
  But we're also on the, it's a slippery slope to where we can be on a downward spiral of
• 1:15:31
  becoming that nation of, you know, beyond a superpower, literally just always dangling
• 1:15:37
  the carrot over another country's head and saying, if you're not us, we can't help you.
• 1:15:42
  Sometimes you have to do it.
• 1:15:43
  Sometimes you have to realize that.
• 1:15:46
  So should every country be like the United States?
• 1:15:49
  What do you mean?
• 1:15:51
  In terms of how the United States lives?
• 1:15:54
  It's, well, not even that, in terms of their freedom or democracy, et cetera.
• 1:15:59
  Is that what you believe?
• 1:16:01
  Okay, let me ask you this.
• 1:16:03
  Do you believe that freedom is making your life better?
• 1:16:08
  Of course it is.
• 1:16:09
  I mean, that's not even a question.
• 1:16:10
  The question is...
• 1:16:11
  Okay, is it a universal need?
• 1:16:14
  I believe it is.
• 1:16:16
  Okay, so you are not imposing your way of life on others.
• 1:16:22
  You are delivering a gift.
• 1:16:27
  it's more important than food. Freedom is as necessary as the air we breathe.
• 1:16:38
  So if the United States is fighting to make people live freely, it is a moral obligation,
• 1:16:48
  as moral as helping people during a famine.
• 1:16:54
  So this is not imposition of a lifestyle.
• 1:16:58
  That is a lie.
• 1:16:59
  And people who repeat such things are liars.
• 1:17:04
  They want to enjoy the freedom that the U.S. is offering them,
• 1:17:10
  the freedom which is the result of centuries of struggle,
• 1:17:15
  philosophical, ideological.
• 1:17:17
  they enjoy it but of course they want to keep it to themselves they don't want to give it to other
• 1:17:23
  people because it would be a position that is ridiculous it's like if you see evil you change
• 1:17:31
  that evil and there is a universal definition of evil and that is slavery of people it's like when
• 1:17:39
  you when you enslave people that is evil everybody agrees to that it's not a relative thing people are
• 1:17:46
  not going to disagree on the definition of freedom.
• 1:17:50
  It's like, am I respecting your personal agency?
• 1:17:57
  Do you have the power to make your own decisions and determine your future If you not if you are being imprisoned for saying your opinion if you are
• 1:18:12
  oppressed for writing a book or changing your religion or having certain views, then you're not
• 1:18:22
  free. And
• 1:18:24
  that for me is as
• 1:18:26
  bad as being starving
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  to death. So
• 1:18:30
  I completely disagree
• 1:18:32
  with this framing.
• 1:18:34
  You could disagree, absolutely.
• 1:18:37
  Yeah. Not
• 1:18:38
  with you.
• 1:18:39
  No, no, no.
• 1:18:40
  This whole conversation has just turned into a very
• 1:18:43
  philosophical conversation in general.
• 1:18:44
  We're not coming up with
• 1:18:46
  defined solutions because we can't
• 1:18:49
  impose these solutions right now. I mean, we want
• 1:18:51
  to, but we can't. Freedom is a gift. Agreed. But then it also goes back to the statement of how
• 1:18:56
  Muslims live in which it's built on the foundation of a religion where freedom is not inherently part
• 1:19:00
  of their culture. So if we want to be philosophical, sure, let's inject freedom into your culture,
• 1:19:06
  which means what? Abolishing your culture and way of life. You are no longer who you are.
• 1:19:11
  That's what I'm getting at. Now, it doesn't mean that I don't agree with you. Everybody should
• 1:19:17
  live free. Everyone should live free. And everybody has a different culture. We don't all see things
• 1:19:23
  and do things the same way because it all comes down to geography. What you deal with defines who
• 1:19:28
  you are, really, what's around you. And I understand that. But when we're talking about,
• 1:19:34
  example, again, going back to Islam, Islam, as you had stated, and as it is written, it is not
• 1:19:40
  a basis of freedom.
• 1:19:42
  It's not built on freedom.
• 1:19:44
  It's based on subjugation.
• 1:19:46
  It's based on control.
• 1:19:49
  And if we wanted to change
• 1:19:50
  that, okay,
• 1:19:52
  and if you have a culture, for example,
• 1:19:54
  that is defined
• 1:19:55
  by that religion
• 1:19:58
  and that is the basis for the culture
• 1:20:00
  itself, then you'd have to
• 1:20:02
  abolish the culture to move forward and be free.
• 1:20:07
  Not the people.
• 1:20:08
  I'm not saying abolish the people.
• 1:20:10
  Listen, again, to the moral obligation thing.
• 1:20:14
  Somebody is starving to death and you have the power to feed them.
• 1:20:20
  You don't really care about cultural relativism.
• 1:20:26
  You don't care about if somebody is trying to commit suicide, you jump and you help them.
• 1:20:31
  I agree.
• 1:20:31
  So when suicide and starvation to death becomes cultural difference, that is dangerous.
• 1:20:44
  It's not a cultural difference.
• 1:20:47
  If somebody is attributing their suicidal way of life to religion, you don't let them do that.
• 1:20:57
  I can't imagine the US government interfering and forcing the Jamestown people, arresting all of them before they kill themselves.
• 1:21:13
  It's like, wasn't that a religion?
• 1:21:15
  So is America going to say, oh, we're not going to force our way of life on them?
• 1:21:21
  Right.
• 1:21:21
  Okay, I understand where you're trying to go with this, but the reality is it all leads back to what we're trying to say earlier,
• 1:21:28
  which you were alluding to without putting too fine a point on it.
• 1:21:31
  For Muslims to move forward as a people, Islam must be abolished.
• 1:21:37
  Unfortunately, that's the only way.
• 1:21:39
  Now, abolished or recreated.
• 1:21:44
  Recreated.
• 1:21:44
  It's like you can create another version of Islam.
• 1:21:48
  Updated with the modern world, basically?
• 1:21:53
  It's like, we can do it.
• 1:21:55
  I believe it's doable.
• 1:21:57
  What we need is enforcement and education system
• 1:22:03
  and a system that controls religious speech.
• 1:22:11
  And with globalization and social media today,
• 1:22:16
  I think this is what I call the mission of Project X, my organization, desanctifying the sacred religion that keeps giving violence and hatred and aggression and slavery.
• 1:22:39
  So what do I mean by desanctifying?
• 1:22:41
  De-sanctifying is, I'm not afraid anymore of this, of criticizing this, of not believing this.
• 1:22:54
  I can identify as a Muslim, but I don't really care for what Muhammad did or didn't, what he said.
• 1:23:01
  You know what I mean?
• 1:23:01
  I need the Islamic world to achieve this intellectual or mental state where I don't need to leave Islam in order to embrace universal values.
• 1:23:17
  How do I do that?
• 1:23:19
  Desanctify Islam in the mind of Muslims.
• 1:23:22
  I don't want to leave Islam.
• 1:23:23
  I don't want to abolish Islam completely.
• 1:23:25
  Just desanctify it.
• 1:23:26
  Okay, we are reading the Quran.
• 1:23:29
  Muhammad married his
• 1:23:31
  daughter-in-law. That's ridiculous.
• 1:23:34
  I'm not going to defend Muhammad.
• 1:23:35
  But, you know, I'm a Muslim.
• 1:23:38
  I want Muslims to
• 1:23:39
  reach this. It's progressing
• 1:23:41
  as a people, as a culture, really, is what it is.
• 1:23:44
  How do you do that? By
• 1:23:45
  sending the truth to Muslims.
• 1:23:48
  Not by protecting Islam.
• 1:23:49
  Not by saying, Islam is
• 1:23:51
  the religion of peace.
• 1:23:53
  You don't help
• 1:23:55
  Muslims. You are keeping
• 1:23:57
  them locked in.
• 1:23:59
  Yeah, I get everything you're saying.
• 1:24:00
  I understand.
• 1:24:01
  And look, this is a conversation you and I can have for, I think, 2,000 hours or more easily.
• 1:24:09
  Let's talk about your Project X because I did want to get to that.
• 1:24:13
  You brought it up a little bit.
• 1:24:15
  Can you please explain what it's about and what you're doing to help educate people about Islam?
• 1:24:22
  Because I know that I was going through it.
• 1:24:23
  You have some videos.
• 1:24:25
  You do a lot of articles and blogs.
• 1:24:28
  you write books and you have a new one that you've written that's coming out
• 1:24:32
  or you're working on. So can you please go over Project X a little bit more
• 1:24:36
  for us? Project X
• 1:24:39
  is the result of the response
• 1:24:44
  I witnessed after October 7th. The response
• 1:24:48
  in the West, the sympathizing
• 1:24:52
  with the terrorist and the attack
• 1:24:56
  that tacks on the one democratic state
• 1:25:01
  that is fighting a war on behalf of the rest of the free world.
• 1:25:06
  The misunderstanding of the nature of the conflict with Islam,
• 1:25:13
  it's a civilizational war.
• 1:25:15
  It is not resistance.
• 1:25:18
  It is not social justice.
• 1:25:21
  so project x is simply um an attempt to educate the west about the nature of the threat islam poses
• 1:25:32
  to the future of the western civilization and at the same time to challenge muslims to desanctify
• 1:25:38
  the sacred history sacred text we do that through producing knowledge um analysis
• 1:25:48
  media production
• 1:25:50
  and
• 1:25:51
  our
• 1:25:53
  end goal is also to
• 1:25:56
  influence the
• 1:25:58
  lawmaker
• 1:25:58
  in order to protect
• 1:26:02
  the western
• 1:26:03
  values
• 1:26:05
  because if Islam is
• 1:26:08
  given the power of legislation
• 1:26:09
  you are
• 1:26:12
  jeopardizing the entire
• 1:26:14
  system, it's going to collapse
• 1:26:16
  so
• 1:26:17
  Project X is still at the beginning.
• 1:26:21
  I have
• 1:26:22
  received support from
• 1:26:25
  friends who believe in what Project X is doing.
• 1:26:30
  We have board members.
• 1:26:33
  We have a 501c3, but we are still at the beginning.
• 1:26:37
  We're trying to raise funds so that we can produce more content,
• 1:26:41
  do more advocacy and lobbying.
• 1:26:43
  and I believe this is going to be big
• 1:26:46
  because
• 1:26:47
  the way people are looking at this
• 1:26:53
  is shifting
• 1:26:53
  for a certain period of time
• 1:26:57
  they were like
• 1:26:58
  it's Islamophobia
• 1:26:59
  I don't want to get there
• 1:27:01
  but now people are
• 1:27:03
  coming to realize
• 1:27:05
  no, this is real threat
• 1:27:07
  this is real thing
• 1:27:09
  we need to look
• 1:27:10
  You need to stare in the eyes of the threat and tackle it.
• 1:27:17
  You cannot just keep ignoring it.
• 1:27:20
  So people can get to understand what I'm doing by reading my content on X, Dan Bormawi,
• 1:27:31
  and go to the website, project-ex.org.
• 1:27:38
  they can subscribe
• 1:27:41
  to support the work
• 1:27:43
  or they can donate to Project X
• 1:27:45
  and
• 1:27:47
  hopefully on October 7
• 1:27:49
  my book is going to be released
• 1:27:51
  about Islam, Israel
• 1:27:54
  the conflict, the western civilization
• 1:27:56
  the future of the west
• 1:27:57
  reformation in Islam, what to do
• 1:28:00
  what not to do
• 1:28:00
  it will be like
• 1:28:03
  it will give people an idea about what we're doing
• 1:28:06
  but I think
• 1:28:08
  it's going to be something big in the future because, as I said, the threat is growing and
• 1:28:14
  people are waking up. How is your organization right now, because you're still in the building
• 1:28:22
  stages, right? How are you reaching people right now? How is your message getting to the people at
• 1:28:27
  the moment? What avenues are you taking to get in front of people? And are you doing speeches and
• 1:28:33
  speaking events?
• 1:28:35
  Are you talking to politicians?
• 1:28:36
  Yeah, some speeches, interviews,
• 1:28:39
  podcasts like this one.
• 1:28:40
  Mainly I write, I try to comment.
• 1:28:43
  I provide commentary on a word event
• 1:28:47
  that's connected to Islam, to the West.
• 1:28:50
  I try to provide commentary
• 1:28:51
  whenever there's something misunderstood
• 1:28:54
  or people don't connect the dots.
• 1:28:59
  And the reception was phenomenal.
• 1:29:03
  In almost six months, we got more than 70 million views for our content and 60,000 followers on X alone.
• 1:29:20
  And people are resonating with the content and with the fresh perspective and the unique analysis that Project X is providing.
• 1:29:33
  How many of those supporters do you think are people who are labeled as Muslim themselves?
• 1:29:44
  Supporter?
• 1:29:45
  Yeah, supporting what you're doing.
• 1:29:47
  Because we spoke earlier and, you know, there's people that don't necessarily align with it,
• 1:29:53
  but they're born into it.
• 1:29:54
  You know, they're just stuck in that cycle.
• 1:29:56
  Do you think you're getting any support from those type of people?
• 1:29:58
  I believe I get support.
• 1:30:00
  I get a lot of support from ex-Muslims.
• 1:30:03
  Or I get messages.
• 1:30:07
  I actually have a lot of these private messages from Muslims who still identify as Muslim, but they're not Muslims.
• 1:30:16
  So I doubt that I have support from Muslims because, as I said again, there's...
• 1:30:25
  Yeah, I guess I meant extra people who are not wanting to be...
• 1:30:28
  You can't identify as a Muslim and tolerate or entertain criticism.
• 1:30:36
  I understand.
• 1:30:37
  I understand.
• 1:30:37
  You said that earlier.
• 1:30:38
  What I was getting at is a person who we call a Muslim, right?
• 1:30:42
  Like I'm a Westerner.
• 1:30:43
  I look at you and I say you're a Muslim.
• 1:30:45
  It doesn't mean that person.
• 1:30:46
  At least 10% of my supporters, my followers are Muslims who no more see Islam as their
• 1:30:58
  religion or what informs their worldview.
• 1:31:03
  I mean that that that good Honestly uh for everything to educate Millions of Muslims are leaving Islam every year Trust me millions I not exaggerating
• 1:31:14
  I have been involved.
• 1:31:16
  I've heard that being said.
• 1:31:18
  I don't know the real numbers, but I mean, that's...
• 1:31:21
  You know it firsthand.
• 1:31:23
  Yeah.
• 1:31:23
  Is that a result of just people realizing that, you know, they're being stuck in the past
• 1:31:29
  and under an authoritarian way of life?
• 1:31:32
  The internet.
• 1:31:33
  The internet has given them a chance to...
• 1:31:35
  Well, right.
• 1:31:36
  It opened them up to the modern world.
• 1:31:38
  To see different narratives.
• 1:31:42
  Evangelism, the church is doing a lot of work in the Islamic word.
• 1:31:47
  I have been involved in Christian ministry for 15 years.
• 1:31:51
  I have seen thousands and thousands leaving Islam.
• 1:31:56
  But the problem is procreation.
• 1:32:00
  It's like birth rates.
• 1:32:02
  I literally just talked about that with the guest I just had literally yesterday.
• 1:32:06
  We just talked about this.
• 1:32:08
  Why don't you go ahead and elaborate on that, please?
• 1:32:15
  In the West, when you plan to have a child, you plan for their future.
• 1:32:22
  You calculate how much it's going to cost you and your partner.
• 1:32:28
  and you end up with one or two,
• 1:32:32
  except if you're a wealthy or middle-class American conservative
• 1:32:38
  who cares about big families.
• 1:32:39
  But in general, in Europe, in the West,
• 1:32:44
  the numbers are crazy down.
• 1:32:48
  In order to sustain the numbers,
• 1:32:51
  the rate of
• 1:32:54
  birth
• 1:32:58
  or the birth rate in the West should be 2.8.
• 1:33:03
  What we have to do is 2.1
• 1:33:06
  or 2.2. The Islamic
• 1:33:10
  country, it's different. Some Islamic countries
• 1:33:14
  are being affected by
• 1:33:15
  again
• 1:33:18
  globalization
• 1:33:19
  life demands
• 1:33:22
  but
• 1:33:23
  they don't think the same way
• 1:33:26
  the westerners do
• 1:33:27
  so
• 1:33:29
  they look at it as
• 1:33:32
  a blessing from the Lord
• 1:33:34
  of course just like
• 1:33:35
  Christians look at it
• 1:33:36
  but God is going to provide
• 1:33:39
  so
• 1:33:40
  and it's a commandment
• 1:33:42
  from the prophet Muhammad
• 1:33:44
  but fill the earth because I want to boost in you on the day of,
• 1:33:52
  in the latter day.
• 1:33:55
  But in Somalia, the birth rate is 6.9.
• 1:34:02
  In other Islamic countries, I wrote a piece about this.
• 1:34:06
  4.5, 5.2, it's crazy numbers.
• 1:34:09
  But what is scary is when you look at the birth rate in Europe,
• 1:34:14
  and you compare the indigenous people and Muslim immigrants,
• 1:34:20
  you see the trend and the pattern and what's going to happen in the next 10, 20, 30 years from now.
• 1:34:29
  It's very predictable, very easy to predict, very clear.
• 1:34:34
  You don't really have to be smart to realize that Europe is lost beyond redemption.
• 1:34:41
  There is no way to get Europe back.
• 1:34:44
  But there's still hope for the United States of America.
• 1:34:48
  And that's why I'm genuinely concerned about the future of the Western civilization.
• 1:34:56
  So, yeah.
• 1:34:59
  It's a great replacement.
• 1:35:00
  I mean, just through procreation, really.
• 1:35:04
  Before we end, I want to talk a little bit more,
• 1:35:07
  but I want to get your thoughts on Palestine.
• 1:35:11
  Israel and the history thereof.
• 1:35:15
  A lot of people think that Palestine was always a nation
• 1:35:21
  and it was always a region that referred to many different tribes
• 1:35:27
  and people within a certain area.
• 1:35:29
  But there's a lot of revisionist history going on
• 1:35:32
  and people cherry-picking photos and articles throughout the timeline
• 1:35:36
  to try to justify what Palestine really is.
• 1:35:41
  Now, October 7th even brought that up quite a bit already,
• 1:35:44
  multiple times, but we didn't really get too deep into it.
• 1:35:47
  So to me, it's important.
• 1:35:49
  And I talk to other people that are in the intel community,
• 1:35:51
  so I get other information about what's going on
• 1:35:54
  and what's happening there.
• 1:35:57
  But the reality is the war started with Hamas.
• 1:36:01
  It was a terrorist organization that has control of a people.
• 1:36:04
  The problem with the area of Gaza is everyone is captured.
• 1:36:08
  They really can't leave.
• 1:36:09
  so can you give a little more insight
• 1:36:12
  from your perspective
• 1:36:13
  someone who really has a lot more knowledge
• 1:36:15
  of the region than I do
• 1:36:16
  as to what is really happening there
• 1:36:19
  and who is to blame
• 1:36:20
  because everyone is anti-Semitic
• 1:36:22
  anti-Israel right now
• 1:36:24
  Israel starving everybody
• 1:36:26
  killing the children
• 1:36:27
  bombing indiscriminately
• 1:36:28
  and I just want to get your point of view
• 1:36:30
  on the situation
• 1:36:31
  as a Jordanian
• 1:36:34
  an Arab
• 1:36:36
  a former Muslim
• 1:36:38
  I can tell you that Israel has been fighting a defensive war since the creation of the State of Israel.
• 1:36:51
  Palestine was manufactured in order to serve the ambitions of Islam.
• 1:36:59
  the Muslim Brotherhood, they wanted to combat the cultural impact of the British and the French mandate in the region.
• 1:37:11
  They didn't like the modernity that the British brought to the region.
• 1:37:18
  So they had to come up with a cause to clock their ambition.
• 1:37:27
  without threatening the newly introduced nation-state
• 1:37:33
  that has already formed in the region.
• 1:37:38
  So they didn't want to challenge the new states
• 1:37:41
  or to be seen as a threat,
• 1:37:44
  but at the same time,
• 1:37:46
  call for the reestablishment of that caliphate.
• 1:37:49
  To understand the Arab-Israeli conflict,
• 1:37:53
  you need to understand that in 1924,
• 1:37:56
  For the first time in Islamic history, Muslims found themselves without a caliphate, without an Islamic empire.
• 1:38:05
  And with the introduction of the nation-state concept to the region, the Islamic empire was fragmented.
• 1:38:15
  And this was a theological rupture.
• 1:38:19
  It was not only a political project.
• 1:38:23
  it has
• 1:38:24
  consequences
• 1:38:27
  and those consequences
• 1:38:29
  is the
• 1:38:31
  erasure
• 1:38:33
  of the rule of Allah
• 1:38:35
  from earth
• 1:38:36
  the Islamic state
• 1:38:39
  represent the rule of Allah
• 1:38:41
  and if we don't have Islamic state
• 1:38:43
  we don't have
• 1:38:45
  Allah is not there
• 1:38:46
  so what happened
• 1:38:49
  is that by the end of the
• 1:38:51
  19th century, the Ottoman Empire,
• 1:38:54
  which is the Islamic Caliphate, was
• 1:38:55
  weakened by Europe,
• 1:38:57
  by different elements, external and
• 1:38:59
  internal.
• 1:39:01
  And Arabs,
• 1:39:04
  who also were persecuted
• 1:39:06
  by the Ottomans, they were neglected
• 1:39:07
  so that
• 1:39:10
  the Ottomans
• 1:39:12
  were not representing the true
• 1:39:13
  Caliphate, the true Islamic Caliphate.
• 1:39:16
  So Sharif Hussain bin Ali
• 1:39:17
  of Mecca, he is the
• 1:39:19
  descendant of Prophet Muhammad,
• 1:39:21
  He conspired with other Arabs entities in order to relocate the caliphate, not to destroy the caliphate.
• 1:39:32
  They wanted to relocate it. That's it.
• 1:39:34
  They wanted it to remain Islamic, just changed the center from Istanbul to Mecca.
• 1:39:42
  And based on that, they had the agreement with the British so that the Arabs would fight alongside the British against the Ottomans.
• 1:39:51
  But in return, they would get their state, their caliphate.
• 1:39:56
  The British betrayed the Arabs.
• 1:39:58
  They fragmented the caliphate.
• 1:40:01
  They introduced the nation-state concept.
• 1:40:04
  Was that a colonial conspiracy?
• 1:40:07
  No.
• 1:40:08
  It was the natural trajectory of history.
• 1:40:13
  The world was moving forward from empires in nation-state.
• 1:40:19
  And tribes to nations.
• 1:40:21
  So the British were not plotting against Islam or against the Arabs.
• 1:40:28
  They just realized that decentralization of authority and power is the way to go forward.
• 1:40:33
  And that's what happened in Europe after the Westphalia Treaty and the creation of the nation states in Europe.
• 1:40:42
  Every single empire was divided.
• 1:40:44
  So, from an Islamic perspective, that was not progress.
• 1:40:53
  That was a war against the faith, against religion.
• 1:41:00
  So, instantly, an Islamic movement formed that was called the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928.
• 1:41:11
  as a response to that
• 1:41:13
  and calls to reestablish the caliphate
• 1:41:17
  was everywhere.
• 1:41:21
  Muslims couldn't imagine
• 1:41:22
  themselves without a caliphate.
• 1:41:25
  Now, the region
• 1:41:27
  that where we have today
• 1:41:30
  Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Israel,
• 1:41:32
  it was part of the Islamic Empire
• 1:41:36
  for 13 centuries.
• 1:41:39
  never ever there was
• 1:41:42
  during the Islamic history
• 1:41:43
  a nation state
• 1:41:45
  there was no nation state
• 1:41:48
  it was like all just part
• 1:41:50
  of the caliphate
• 1:41:51
  there was never a state
• 1:41:54
  called Palestine at all
• 1:41:56
  there was never called
• 1:41:57
  a state called Jordan
• 1:41:59
  it just names
• 1:42:01
  for geographical
• 1:42:03
  spots, Syria
• 1:42:06
  Lebanon, it's name of
• 1:42:08
  a geographical place.
• 1:42:10
  It doesn't represent a state,
• 1:42:12
  a nation, ethnicity, nothing.
• 1:42:15
  What happened is
• 1:42:16
  when the British introduced
• 1:42:17
  the nation-state concept,
• 1:42:19
  Lebanon formed as a nation-state.
• 1:42:22
  Christians in Lebanon
• 1:42:23
  worked with the French,
• 1:42:24
  with General Gouro,
• 1:42:27
  and they had a state.
• 1:42:30
  Syrian,
• 1:42:31
  Syrians,
• 1:42:33
  the French wanted
• 1:42:35
  to divide Syria into five
• 1:42:37
  different states.
• 1:42:39
  But there are different Syrian
• 1:42:41
  movements, they united
• 1:42:43
  and eventually we ended up with one
• 1:42:45
  nation called
• 1:42:47
  Syria.
• 1:42:49
  The Iraqi people
• 1:42:51
  did the same with the British.
• 1:42:54
  Jordan, it was given
• 1:42:55
  to the son of Shalif Hussein,
• 1:42:57
  who was betrayed by the British.
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  And
• 1:43:00
  Jordan became a nation.
• 1:43:04
  And Israel,
• 1:43:06
  where the Jews were living,
• 1:43:07
  Because the Jews in 1909, 40 years before the creation of the state of Israel, they built Tel Aviv Sin, for example.
• 1:43:16
  They had institutions.
• 1:43:18
  They built schools.
• 1:43:18
  The lie that they migrated to the land after the Holocaust or during the Holocaust, running away from persecution.
• 1:43:28
  Yeah, they were always part of that area.
• 1:43:30
  They were running away from Hobart.
• 1:43:31
  They were an ancient tribal people.
• 1:43:32
  But it doesn't mean anything because at the end of the day, Christians in Lebanon ended up with a state.
• 1:43:41
  The Jews in Israel ended up with a state.
• 1:43:43
  And they fought for their independence against the British, the same way the Lebanese fought against the French.
• 1:43:49
  So every other country was allowed to have a state except Israel, except the Jewish people.
• 1:43:57
  Anyway, there was no Palestine at all.
• 1:43:59
  Palestine was the name of that geographical place,
• 1:44:04
  and everybody inside that region was called Palestinian.
• 1:44:09
  The Jews were called Palestinian.
• 1:44:12
  We have Palestinian Post.
• 1:44:13
  It became Jerusalem Post later.
• 1:44:15
  The Palestinian Airway,
• 1:44:19
  the Palestinian Flight Company
• 1:44:22
  or something like that.
• 1:44:23
  It's a Jewish,
• 1:44:25
  it was founded by the Jews.
• 1:44:27
  Palestinian schools,
• 1:44:28
  they were established by Jews.
• 1:44:31
  So when you read on the coin
• 1:44:34
  the word Palestine
• 1:44:35
  and they use it and say,
• 1:44:37
  you see, Palestine was there.
• 1:44:39
  Right.
• 1:44:39
  The British did that because it's a colonial name.
• 1:44:44
  It was used by the Romans, or it was the Romans gave it that name.
• 1:44:50
  But the British just used that name, but it didn't mean anything.
• 1:44:57
  There was no Palestinian president.
• 1:44:59
  There was no Palestinian, there was no nation state in the region.
• 1:45:07
  To claim that there was a state is ridiculous.
• 1:45:11
  Yeah, Dan, why do people not want to accept this history?
• 1:45:14
  Because I went down this rabbit hole, and a lot of everything you said, I have researched and read myself.
• 1:45:20
  And some of it you had to dig for, because again, there's a lot of revisionist history out there right now.
• 1:45:25
  And the Arabs also migrate to the Jewish areas.
• 1:45:29
  There are different reports. Actually, there's a chapter about this conflict in my book where I explain all of this. Arabs migrate to the Jewish areas because of prosperity that they brought with them from Europe. Agriculture, development, wages were higher in the Jewish areas.
• 1:45:48
  the whole
• 1:45:51
  Palestinian identity
• 1:45:52
  was hijacked,
• 1:45:55
  manufactured and hijacked
• 1:45:57
  by Arabs
• 1:45:58
  because there
• 1:46:01
  was no way
• 1:46:02
  to claim
• 1:46:05
  the land
• 1:46:06
  without having
• 1:46:09
  some roots.
• 1:46:11
  And the roots,
• 1:46:13
  and actually there's
• 1:46:15
  a confusion. They're confused all the time. It's like,
• 1:46:16
  We are the Canaanites.
• 1:46:18
  We are the Jews who lived here and converted to Islam.
• 1:46:23
  They keep trying to manufacture this identity.
• 1:46:26
  But anyway, I want people to go look up the Arab Federation 1958 flag.
• 1:46:37
  In 1958, Jordan and Iraq, they joined together in a union, and they had a flag.
• 1:46:46
  for that union.
• 1:46:48
  It is the Palestinian flag.
• 1:46:50
  But that union didn't last for except a few months.
• 1:46:54
  And then it was dismantled.
• 1:46:55
  And the Palestinians picked up the same flag
• 1:46:57
  and they used it and they said,
• 1:46:59
  this is the Palestinian flag.
• 1:47:01
  It's ridiculous.
• 1:47:02
  Anyway, yeah, there were Arabs living in the land.
• 1:47:06
  I'm not denying that.
• 1:47:08
  But that doesn't constitute a state.
• 1:47:14
  it's like a group of people were living in that land.
• 1:47:19
  And that Israeli independence declaration,
• 1:47:23
  if you read it today, it still has these words.
• 1:47:28
  We invite Arabs to come and coexist with us
• 1:47:31
  and build this nation together.
• 1:47:34
  It's written in the Declaration of Independence.
• 1:47:37
  But the following day after this declaration,
• 1:47:40
  Five Arab countries attacked Israel in 1948 after rejecting the United Nations proposal.
• 1:47:50
  So why is there such a hate for the nation of Israel?
• 1:47:59
  That's one question.
• 1:48:00
  The other one is, what do you say to those who blame everything on the Zionists?
• 1:48:08
  okay many people believe that everything that's going on right now with gaza palestine is because
• 1:48:14
  70 some odd years ago or whatever that these jewish people who weren't even in the region
• 1:48:20
  or in europe came over to displace people and kick them out of their homes it's it's a skewed
• 1:48:26
  view of the actual history of what really happened but you know as someone who's not from the area
• 1:48:32
  and when i try to talk about these things i i get dismissed or people tell me that i don't understand
• 1:48:36
  what I'm talking about. Even though you can research and read everything, you could read
• 1:48:41
  what led to it. You could read how the Ottoman Empire and the people who consider themselves
• 1:48:45
  Palestinian today actually sided with the Ottoman Empire to help get rid of the Jewish people from
• 1:48:49
  the land and expel them so that they can take it over. Where else were they going to go?
• 1:48:55
  I have a thing that I always go to. It's like people then make the argument while they were
• 1:49:02
  conquered. No, they weren't conquered. You know why? They never accepted defeat. They always had
• 1:49:06
  a plan to come back. Those who are conquered are the ones who accepted their defeat, accepted the
• 1:49:11
  fact that, oh, well, I guess we're different people now, and now we're going to have to give in,
• 1:49:14
  but the Jewish people never did. So can you expand on that and also explain, you know,
• 1:49:21
  the fallacy and what people try to identify as Zionism being at the root of this situation in
• 1:49:28
  this conflict?
• 1:49:32
  Well, the Jews are hated
• 1:49:34
  for too many different reasons.
• 1:49:37
  And
• 1:49:38
  among these reasons
• 1:49:40
  is
• 1:49:40
  the fact that the Jews
• 1:49:44
  survived
• 1:49:45
  2,000 years of
• 1:49:48
  persecution
• 1:49:48
  and their resilience.
• 1:49:52
  And
• 1:49:52
  they were able to
• 1:49:58
  Rebuild after everything.
• 1:50:01
  So, unfortunately, we have this tendency to want greatness and glory for only ourselves.
• 1:50:12
  If somebody else is successful, yeah, we might be happy for him, but we want it for ourselves.
• 1:50:21
  So, unfortunately, people might say, they can say whatever they want, but this is reality. There's some kind of envy there. Jews are successful after the Holocaust.
• 1:50:37
  their
• 1:50:39
  representation
• 1:50:41
  in every single
• 1:50:44
  industry or
• 1:50:45
  progress, they're everywhere
• 1:50:47
  so there's one of the reasons
• 1:50:50
  the reason is
• 1:50:51
  the radical left
• 1:50:55
  has its ideology
• 1:50:57
  built on grievance and victimhood
• 1:50:59
  and Israel
• 1:51:01
  defies
• 1:51:02
  that ideology, destroys it
• 1:51:05
  Israel is not built on victimhood
• 1:51:08
  Israel is built on
• 1:51:10
  resilience and so
• 1:51:12
  again they don't
• 1:51:14
  like that, they don't like the fact that Israel
• 1:51:16
  has survived
• 1:51:18
  everything and it's
• 1:51:19
  and not only that, it's powerful
• 1:51:22
  it's becoming one of the most
• 1:51:24
  powerful states in the world
• 1:51:25
  and you
• 1:51:28
  have religious hatred of course in Islam
• 1:51:30
  that was inherited
• 1:51:31
  by Muslims in the
• 1:51:34
  sacred scripture
• 1:51:35
  and in the history itself.
• 1:51:40
  So there are too many reasons.
• 1:51:42
  I can list a lot of them but none of them is legit or right It all based in false perceptions
• 1:51:56
  And the Zionism, to accuse the Zionism movement of atrocities and to be the reason behind
• 1:52:05
  is ridiculous because the Zionist movement started as a response to persecution.
• 1:52:12
  It was not established as a biblical, apocalyptic movement that wanted to bring the Jews back to Israel.
• 1:52:24
  No, it was a response to what was happening to the Jews in Eastern Europe and in Russia.
• 1:52:31
  That's why the pioneers of the Zionist movement didn't care about where this Jewish state would be.
• 1:52:40
  They just wanted a state because they wanted self-determination.
• 1:52:45
  And that's why Uganda was proposed by Theodor Herzl to the Zionist council at the beginning.
• 1:52:52
  So the Zionist movement is simply defined as the right of the Jewish people to self-determination.
• 1:53:02
  Because the Jews have tried everything to assimilate, to coexist, to never worked.
• 1:53:10
  Never worked.
• 1:53:11
  So they realized, okay, we're done.
• 1:53:15
  We need our state.
• 1:53:16
  We need to govern ourselves.
• 1:53:19
  That's it.
• 1:53:21
  And the Zionist movement is trying to protect that state of Israel.
• 1:53:31
  And that's AIPAC.
• 1:53:34
  AIPAC is controlling America.
• 1:53:35
  They don't care about controlling America.
• 1:53:37
  and I'm not funded by any Zionist movement or AIPAC.
• 1:53:44
  I actually applied for a job at AIPAC
• 1:53:47
  and they rejected me.
• 1:53:50
  But they're clear about their mission.
• 1:53:53
  We want to keep the Congress pro-Israel.
• 1:53:56
  Why?
• 1:53:57
  Because we want to protect the state of Israel,
• 1:53:59
  which exists in an ocean of enemies.
• 1:54:04
  So the Zionist movement is not trying to control the world.
• 1:54:07
  and the Zionists are not trying to expand, you idiots.
• 1:54:12
  Israel, for the past 77 years,
• 1:54:16
  gave up land that legally acquired
• 1:54:20
  after defending their country against enemies.
• 1:54:26
  They gave up Sinai.
• 1:54:28
  They gave up southern Lebanon.
• 1:54:30
  They gave up Gaza.
• 1:54:32
  That is the most, it's like,
• 1:54:37
  The failure of the Zionist project is crazy.
• 1:54:42
  It's astonishing.
• 1:54:43
  It's like they failed in their expansionist project.
• 1:54:48
  It's like, no, the Zionist movement just wants to protect the Jewish people.
• 1:54:53
  So we need to understand this alliance between the radical left movement and Islam.
• 1:55:04
  I have to say this.
• 1:55:05
  They don't care about Islam.
• 1:55:06
  They don't care about Palestine.
• 1:55:07
  They don't care about Muslims.
• 1:55:09
  They don't care about children.
• 1:55:11
  They don't care about women.
• 1:55:12
  They care about any tool that could be utilized to attack the Western world, the Western civilization, capitalism.
• 1:55:24
  because in their blood,
• 1:55:29
  there is this,
• 1:55:30
  it's a virus that makes them see
• 1:55:37
  that the Western system,
• 1:55:39
  the power systems in the West
• 1:55:42
  are responsible for not creating their utopia.
• 1:55:48
  They are the obstacle.
• 1:55:50
  They want to create a utopia
• 1:55:52
  And by taking the West, they could achieve that.
• 1:55:56
  And Islam and Palestine is only utilized to achieve that.
• 1:56:00
  So what we are experiencing today is not only anti-Semitism.
• 1:56:05
  If we only reduce it to anti-Semitism, we miss the point.
• 1:56:10
  It's not.
• 1:56:11
  It's anti-Western, anti-America, anti-freedom, liberty, capitalism, individual rights.
• 1:56:17
  so that's how
• 1:56:20
  we must see what's going on today
• 1:56:22
  right and the Zionist movement
• 1:56:24
  absolutely correct you said it was
• 1:56:26
  both a response
• 1:56:28
  twofold to me was a response to
• 1:56:30
  their treatment and persecution
• 1:56:32
  in Europe also
• 1:56:34
  it was a long
• 1:56:38
  standing need to get back to their land
• 1:56:40
  which they were displaced
• 1:56:42
  you know
• 1:56:44
  that's why they ended up in Europe in the first place
• 1:56:46
  so
• 1:56:47
  the
• 1:56:48
  narrative that
• 1:56:51
  they're wrong for wanting their land
• 1:56:54
  back that they never actually
• 1:56:56
  gave up or forgot about to me
• 1:56:58
  has always been ridiculous
• 1:56:59
  and correct I mean
• 1:57:01
  I want to add one thing to your point
• 1:57:04
  going back
• 1:57:06
  to the land
• 1:57:07
  it was actually
• 1:57:10
  if you look at historical records
• 1:57:12
  prior to
• 1:57:14
  1917
• 1:57:15
  before the
• 1:57:17
  Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided
• 1:57:21
  the Islamic empire into nation states,
• 1:57:26
  before that was revealed,
• 1:57:30
  it was actually leaked by
• 1:57:31
  Bolshevists. They revealed it.
• 1:57:35
  It was a secret treaty. But anyway, before it was revealed,
• 1:57:39
  no historical records of any
• 1:57:42
  projection, any resistance
• 1:57:44
  from Muslims to the
• 1:57:46
  migration of the Jews to the land,
• 1:57:48
  except in 1881,
• 1:57:51
  the Ottomans
• 1:57:52
  resisted that
• 1:57:54
  not because they didn't want the Jews
• 1:57:56
  to return back to their land, no, no,
• 1:57:58
  but because they were
• 1:58:00
  terrified of national
• 1:58:01
  movements.
• 1:58:04
  There was a national movement
• 1:58:05
  being formed in Greece
• 1:58:07
  and they were afraid of
• 1:58:10
  national movements to start erupting
• 1:58:12
  everywhere in the Ottoman Empire.
• 1:58:14
  So they didn't want
• 1:58:15
  the Jews to return to Palestine
• 1:58:18
  because they didn't
• 1:58:22
  want them to form a national movement.
• 1:58:24
  And that
• 1:58:26
  movement would be contagious to
• 1:58:28
  Arabs, to different
• 1:58:29
  nations. So that's the
• 1:58:32
  reason why the Ottomans stopped
• 1:58:34
  the migration of Jews
• 1:58:35
  or resisted it to Palestine.
• 1:58:38
  But we don't have any historical
• 1:58:40
  records of Muslims or Arabs.
• 1:58:42
  I'll tell you why.
• 1:58:43
  Okay, sorry, go ahead.
• 1:58:45
  No, this is like, the point is
• 1:58:47
  why there is no resistance?
• 1:58:50
  Because the caliphate
• 1:58:51
  was in place.
• 1:58:54
  When the caliphate is in place,
• 1:58:56
  the assumption is
• 1:58:57
  we don't care if the Jews
• 1:59:00
  return to the land, they will be
• 1:59:02
  subjugated to the
• 1:59:04
  Islamic rule. They will live
• 1:59:05
  under the Islamic rule.
• 1:59:08
  The problem is
• 1:59:09
  when the Jews wanted sovereignty.
• 1:59:13
  It's not about their existence.
• 1:59:15
  If Benjamin Netanyahu today
• 1:59:18
  convert to Islam,
• 1:59:20
  the whole Palestinian conflict will end in a second It will be done immediately to back up really quick that a good point you just made actually
• 1:59:32
  But to back up really quick,
• 1:59:33
  before the Ottoman Empire came in,
• 1:59:37
  the people of Israel or the Jewish people
• 1:59:39
  were already there, right?
• 1:59:41
  They were driven out by the Ottoman Empire.
• 1:59:43
  It was live under our rule or leave.
• 1:59:47
  That's what happened before the Ottoman Empire got there.
• 1:59:50
  Once they got there, they drove them out.
• 1:59:53
  It's like, you live under a rule,
• 1:59:54
  you live under our subjugation,
• 1:59:57
  or you're out of here, right?
• 2:00:00
  The Jews
• 2:00:00
  kept a connection to the land.
• 2:00:03
  Their connection
• 2:00:05
  to the land never ceased.
• 2:00:07
  At a certain point,
• 2:00:09
  they could be
• 2:00:11
  like a few hundred people.
• 2:00:13
  At a certain point,
• 2:00:15
  it would be a thousand. It doesn't matter.
• 2:00:16
  They keep the connection.
• 2:00:17
  Yes, agreed.
• 2:00:18
  Wait, wait, it's not about...
• 2:00:21
  That's the history.
• 2:00:22
  99% of them migrated in the 20th century.
• 2:00:26
  That doesn't change the fact that they had as much right as everybody else in the region to form a state.
• 2:00:36
  Because there were a group of people living on a geographical spot, and everybody was starting a state.
• 2:00:45
  So why not the Jews who were persistent on the fact that they had to rule themselves?
• 2:00:53
  They don't want to be ruled by someone else.
• 2:00:57
  And if they accepted an Islamic rule, there would be no problem at all.
• 2:01:00
  There would have been no problem.
• 2:01:02
  It's like, okay.
• 2:01:03
  If they converted today, all these wars would end.
• 2:01:07
  And then what?
• 2:01:07
  it would absolutely be
• 2:01:09
  a newfound focus
• 2:01:10
  by everyone who
• 2:01:13
  is under the rule of Islam
• 2:01:15
  to now focus on the rest of the world and take the rest
• 2:01:17
  of the world over. People forget all
• 2:01:19
  the arguments they have made
• 2:01:21
  since the beginning about identity
• 2:01:23
  and heritage and land.
• 2:01:26
  They forget everything.
• 2:01:28
  It'll all go away.
• 2:01:29
  If Bibi Netanyahu tonight
• 2:01:31
  compared to Islam, I'm not talking about all the
• 2:01:33
  Israeli people. No, no, just the ruler,
• 2:01:35
  the king of the land,
• 2:01:37
  who rules the land, if he converts
• 2:01:39
  to Islam,
• 2:01:41
  people in Syria, Iraq,
• 2:01:43
  Jordan, Egypt, Algeria
• 2:01:45
  would be offering the Jewish
• 2:01:47
  people lands.
• 2:01:49
  Not the Jewish people. Bibi Netanyahu.
• 2:01:51
  They would be offering him lands, like, come and take
• 2:01:53
  more. Because they don't care about
• 2:01:55
  land. It's not about land.
• 2:01:57
  Never been about the land.
• 2:01:59
  It's a manufactured lie.
• 2:02:02
  That's interesting.
• 2:02:03
  And it's crazy because
• 2:02:05
  if you look at geographically,
• 2:02:07
  like Israel, the nation state, is such a small sliver of land
• 2:02:10
  compared to the rest of the Arab world.
• 2:02:13
  It really is.
• 2:02:14
  Do you believe that what's going on with the conflict right now, though,
• 2:02:17
  is Israel really doing everything they're saying to the people of Palestine
• 2:02:22
  or living in what's considered Palestine today?
• 2:02:25
  Are they indiscriminately bombing?
• 2:02:27
  Are they starving people?
• 2:02:28
  Are they killing innocents indiscriminately?
• 2:02:32
  Or is that a lot of manufactured lies and propaganda?
• 2:02:35
  So I believe that October 7 happened on Iranian orders to sabotage the Saudi-Israeli peace talks.
• 2:02:49
  I'm 100% certain of that.
• 2:02:52
  because a Saudi-Israeli peace treaty would have meant
• 2:02:58
  the excuse of Iran to be in the region is vanish.
• 2:03:09
  It's like if Saudi is making peace with Israel
• 2:03:13
  and the Palestinian conflict is coming to an end,
• 2:03:17
  then why Iran has any reason to stay in Lebanon and Syria and Iraq and Yemen?
• 2:03:24
  So they had to kill the peace talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
• 2:03:29
  Now, the retaliation of Israel, and this is an important point,
• 2:03:39
  the retaliation of Israel is not the reason why Israel is being accused of genocide
• 2:03:45
  and all the accusations that we see today.
• 2:03:49
  You know why?
• 2:03:50
  Because on October 7,
• 2:03:52
  people were protesting on the streets of London and New York
• 2:03:56
  and different cities against Israel,
• 2:03:58
  even though Israel did not retaliate yet.
• 2:04:01
  I remember, yeah.
• 2:04:04
  Even the Jewish people were still burying the bodies,
• 2:04:08
  looking for the bodies, trying to identify the bodies.
• 2:04:11
  Yeah, you're right.
• 2:04:11
  They were already protesting against Israel.
• 2:04:13
  They didn't even do anything yet.
• 2:04:14
  They didn't even retaliate.
• 2:04:15
  Yeah, it's not true that Israel is being accused of a genocide because of what happened after October 7.
• 2:04:23
  No, it's being accused of genocide because it serves the narrative that different movements and holy alliance in the West embraces.
• 2:04:39
  It's their narrative.
• 2:04:39
  Now, when we talk about the retaliation scale, I want you to imagine if Bashar al-Assad was leading this war in Gaza on the same scale that we have seen in Syria between 2011 and 2024.
• 2:05:04
  and you take into consideration
• 2:05:09
  the size of the land, the size of Syria,
• 2:05:11
  and the size of Gaza,
• 2:05:12
  and the number of population,
• 2:05:15
  the death rate would be,
• 2:05:19
  or the number of casualties would be,
• 2:05:22
  I have calculated that,
• 2:05:23
  I think it's 1.2 million.
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  So if Israel retaliated or responded
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  on the scale of Bashar al-Assad,
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  we should have more than 1.2 casualties in Gaza.
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  But we have, according to the Ministry of Health,
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  Hamas Ministry of Health,
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  we have 50,000 to 60,000.
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  Okay.
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  Now, in the 60,000s,
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  how many people in Gaza died naturally
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  since October 7th?
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  Two years.
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  How many natural deaths do we have?
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  I think we have zero.
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  it's all
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  blamed on Israel
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  so when God decides
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  that somebody is
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  life has ended
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  oh let's blame Israel
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  for it, it's God, it's nature
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  it's age, if somebody
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  dies in a car accident
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  it doesn't matter, it's like
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  the bucket that has
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  all the death in it
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  number one, number two
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  how many Hamas
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  terrorists died,
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  according to the
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  Israeli reports, probably
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  25,000.
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  So,
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  how many
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  civilians,
• 2:06:47
  innocent civilians, really died
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  in Gaza?
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  I'm going to assume it's
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  10,000. Okay?
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  It's a huge number.
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  Heartbreaking.
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  But here's the thing.
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  Israel is in a moral dilemma What Israel is going to do If Israel let Hamas stay live regroup
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  another October 7th is going to happen.
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  And people don't understand what October 7th represents
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  in that imagination of the Jewish people.
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  It is the Holocaust.
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  a mini-Holocaust.
• 2:07:31
  It is something that no non-Jews
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  can understand.
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  Are you a Jew?
• 2:07:38
  Have you...
• 2:07:41
  Are you...
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  Has your life been
• 2:07:43
  shaped by
• 2:07:45
  that event? No.
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  So you don't understand
• 2:07:50
  October 7th. I don't understand
• 2:07:52
  October 7th and
• 2:07:53
  how the Jews see it.
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  It was
• 2:07:57
  a reminder that
• 2:07:59
  the possibility of another Holocaust is there.
• 2:08:04
  And there's a promise never again.
• 2:08:08
  So the scale of retaliation should be understood
• 2:08:11
  through this lens,
• 2:08:14
  through the lens of survival
• 2:08:16
  of a nation that has been
• 2:08:19
  under the threat of destruction
• 2:08:23
  and eradication for a very long time.
• 2:08:25
  So, I don't believe that retaliation of Israel after October 7 was disproportionate.
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  I think it was restrained, very, very restrained, and very calculated.
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  Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties.
• 2:08:54
  I believe this from the depth of my heart.
• 2:08:59
  And Israel is being held to higher standards
• 2:09:03
  than every other country, every other group.
• 2:09:10
  It's like no Israeli soldier is allowed to joke
• 2:09:15
  with another soldier
• 2:09:18
  as they are fighting these barbaric terrorists.
• 2:09:23
  If there is a five-second video
• 2:09:25
  of two Israeli soldiers making a joke
• 2:09:27
  or misbehaving,
• 2:09:30
  that is condemnation against Israel.
• 2:09:33
  It's ridiculous.
• 2:09:35
  When you have mothers
• 2:09:37
  taking a pride in
• 2:09:40
  installing the suicide bomb vest
• 2:09:44
  on their children
• 2:09:46
  and you condemn Israel
• 2:09:49
  for an Israeli soldier
• 2:09:50
  wearing a bra
• 2:09:54
  as they fight in Gaza.
• 2:09:56
  It's like,
• 2:09:57
  just kidding,
• 2:09:58
  playing around.
• 2:09:59
  It's ridiculous
• 2:10:00
  that moral dehumanization
• 2:10:02
  of Israel.
• 2:10:03
  What?
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  It's,
• 2:10:06
  so yeah,
• 2:10:08
  again,
• 2:10:10
  trust me, George,
• 2:10:11
  I'm not saying any of these.
• 2:10:14
  things because I'm paid by anyone.
• 2:10:18
  I am honest and authentic as a former Muslim,
• 2:10:22
  as an Arab Jordanian who lived among Palestinians for years.
• 2:10:28
  This is how I see this conflict.
• 2:10:32
  And this is how I see Israel.
• 2:10:33
  Israel is the only state today in the Middle East
• 2:10:39
  that is trying to protect the Jews.
• 2:10:42
  You could say that they have national interests.
• 2:10:44
  Of course, who doesn't?
• 2:10:47
  But nevertheless, Israel is protecting the Druze from a massacre,
• 2:10:53
  from being sold in the slave market of the Islamic State,
• 2:10:57
  while Turkey is watching, Iraq is watching, Jordan is watching,
• 2:11:01
  Egypt is watching, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia.
• 2:11:04
  Nobody is coming to the rescue of the Druze.
• 2:11:07
  And people have the audacity to criticize Israel and condemn Israel, this nation that has helped the Christians in Lebanon and fought alongside them against the terrorists of the PLO.
• 2:11:27
  Israel is the only country that is really caring for the minorities in the Middle East,
• 2:11:37
  trying to save them from Islamic barbarism.
• 2:11:40
  Yet, the world is condemning Israel.
• 2:11:44
  So, you have that.
• 2:11:47
  Oh, well, I think with that, we should probably wrap it up.
• 2:11:53
  We talked about a lot of different things.
• 2:11:57
  that are very relevant, great conversation.
• 2:11:59
  Thank you very much.
• 2:12:02
  Before you go, though,
• 2:12:03
  please tell everybody more about where they can find you,
• 2:12:05
  title of your book, etc.
• 2:12:07
  Go ahead and let everybody know about that, please.
• 2:12:09
  I haven't decided on a title yet,
• 2:12:11
  but it's going to be about Islam, Israel,
• 2:12:13
  and the future of the West.
• 2:12:15
  So it's going to cover a lot of topics.
• 2:12:19
  It's going to talk about that,
• 2:12:22
  how Islam is a political ideology.
• 2:12:24
  Why?
• 2:12:25
  It's not going to be another book about information that you could find in a thousand other books.
• 2:12:31
  No, it's going to be unique analysis, fresh perspective into the Arab-Israeli conflict,
• 2:12:40
  why Islam is incompatible with the West, why Islam is a threat to the West.
• 2:12:45
  also the Judeo-Christian
• 2:12:50
  alliance that should
• 2:12:52
  save the West, I would say
• 2:12:55
  and the Abrahamic religion
• 2:12:57
  why Islam is not an Abrahamic religion
• 2:13:00
  and reformation in Islam, is it possible
• 2:13:03
  how to respond to this threat
• 2:13:06
  how to understand the geopolitics of the Middle East
• 2:13:10
  in light of all these
• 2:13:13
  so the book is going to be
• 2:13:15
  available for pre-order on September 7,
• 2:13:20
  and the release date is October 7.
• 2:13:25
  And I chose this date for obvious reasons, of course.
• 2:13:30
  You can find me on www.project-ex.org.
• 2:13:37
  If you go to this website, that's my sub-stack.
• 2:13:40
  I encourage you to subscribe to receive my articles to your inbox and follow me on X.
• 2:13:48
  You'll also find the link on my subset page.
• 2:13:52
  Thank you so much, George.
• 2:13:53
  Thank you for your time.
• 2:13:54
  I enjoyed this.
• 2:13:55
  I will stay in touch with you.
• 2:13:57
  It's very informative.
• 2:13:58
  And I do have a big interest into the history of the region and what is going on there.
• 2:14:04
  So again, I know I pushed back a little, but I was just trying to get the conversation
• 2:14:08
  to go another direction
• 2:14:10
  so we can hear more perspective.
• 2:14:13
  It was really great.
• 2:14:15
  I appreciate it.
• 2:14:15
  I do.
• 2:14:16
  I appreciate it.
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  you