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Trump, Murder Plots, and the Christmas Miracle: Evita + Jack Posobiec (Ep.110) · V

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bongina Report Early Edition, and today is a
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Speaker 1: special episode because I am joined by Jack Posobiec, former
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Speaker 1: Navy intel officer, author, and host of the show Human
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Speaker 1: Events Daily. Jack, thank you so much for being here.
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Speaker 2: Evita, it's so happy to be here because, you know,
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Speaker 2: you're always coming on my show, and finally I get
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Speaker 2: the chance to grace you.
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Speaker 3: The presence of your show.
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Speaker 2: Congratulations on the show and just everything this year. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you've really just been crushing it and it's incredible to
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Speaker 2: see the thing grow by leaps and bounds.
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Speaker 3: And I know it's just going to get bigger and bigger.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, John. I really appreciate you saying that.
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Speaker 1: And just for you guys listening, Jack is somebody who
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Speaker 1: had me on his show for a long time now,
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Speaker 1: who's given me a lot of opportunities. So I love Jack,
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Speaker 1: always appreciate you being here. And we don't do a
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Speaker 1: lot of interviews, so it's especially special because it's always
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Speaker 1: just me. And then I only bring on people that
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Speaker 1: I actually want to talk to to do some interviews.
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Speaker 1: So that's how you know, you guys, that this is
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Speaker 1: a big deal. This is very exciting.
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Speaker 3: The bar is high, folks. The bar is high.
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Speaker 1: The bar is high. So I want to preface this show, Jack,
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Speaker 1: by telling everybody why we're doing it, because Michael and
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Speaker 1: I were flying out of Palm Beach Airport on our
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Speaker 1: way to Wisconsin for Thanksgiving a few weeks ago, and
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Speaker 1: we happened to run into Jack. And Jack, you, of course,
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Speaker 1: had your book, which I have with me right now, bulletproof.
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Speaker 4: And you gave it to me in the airport library
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Speaker 4: where I was selling books to people, the passengers. I
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Speaker 4: was like, hey, guys, did you know that Donald Trump
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Speaker 4: was almost assassinated by an ActBlue donor?
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Speaker 3: Get your bulletproof right here.
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Speaker 2: And I turn around and it's Evita and Michael. I'm like, guys,
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Speaker 2: have some books. And I like forced you to take them.
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Speaker 1: Well, you did, but it was actually the greatest thing
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Speaker 1: ever because I loved it. I read 70% of, I'm
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Speaker 1: a fast reader too. I read 70% of the entire
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Speaker 1: book on my flight and over my layover to Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: And then I finished it. very next day. So it
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Speaker 1: was a two-day read, but it was awesome. It was
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Speaker 1: super well done. You covered things that, Jack, I hadn't
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Speaker 1: even heard of. Some things I did, but then I
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Speaker 1: hadn't put all the pieces together. Of course, this is
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Speaker 1: about mostly the first assassination attempt. You also talked about
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Speaker 1: the second assassination attempt. And I want to revisit this
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Speaker 1: with you. I want to give the viewers just a
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Speaker 1: snippet into what I got from your book, especially in
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Speaker 1: the wake of this UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting, the Madison, Wisconsin
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Speaker 1: shooting because we know way more about Luigi Mangione, Natalie,
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Speaker 1: this new shooter within just an hour of these respective
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Speaker 1: crimes than we know still about Thomas Crooks and Ryan
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Speaker 1: Routh months later. So Jack, I want to start by
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Speaker 1: asking you about Thomas Crooks. This is a guy who
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Speaker 1: came from lower, lower middle class family. He's in his
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Speaker 1: early 20s or was in his early 20s. He has
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Speaker 1: zero digital footprint. What do you make of this guy?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, and one thing that a lot of people,
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Speaker 2: I think, miss and by the way, thank you, of course,
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Speaker 2: for for for reading the book that way.
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Speaker 3: And, you know, we really did intend that as a
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Speaker 3: it's not a political book.
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Speaker 2: It's not ideological, really, unless, you know, you consider being
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Speaker 2: anti-murder ideological that.
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Speaker 3: If anything, it's more of a whodunit. It's kind of
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Speaker 3: like a true crime.
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Speaker 2: And I've said to people, this book was not written
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Speaker 2: with the intention of making someone a Trump supporter. This
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Speaker 2: book was written with the intention of trying to understand
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Speaker 2: this situation and try to understand who the perpetrator was. Now,
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Speaker 2: that being said, of course, it is political given the
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Speaker 2: figures involved, but just because there are motives involved here,
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Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily mean that the book itself.
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Speaker 3: Has to be.
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Speaker 2: So With Thomas Matthew Crooks, one thing, and you're right,
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Speaker 2: he does come from a working-class background, but one thing
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Speaker 2: that a lot of people miss with him is that
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Speaker 2: this is a guy who scored over 1,500 on his SATs.
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Speaker 2: He was in robotics. He was in computer, computer programming.
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Speaker 2: He did have a Discord account. And so when people
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Speaker 2: and the public, you know, sort of official narrative is, oh,
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Speaker 2: no digital footprint, no digital footprint. Well, this is exactly
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Speaker 2: the type of person who had the skills required and
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Speaker 2: the talents to be able to hide or mask any
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Speaker 2: digital footprint, VPNs.
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Speaker 3: We do know that he had three encrypted.
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Speaker 2: Foreign email accounts that supposedly the FBI can't get into.
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Speaker 2: And according to my reporting, that the FBI hasn't even
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Speaker 2: been trying to open since mid-September.
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Speaker 3: Also, these ideas that.
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Speaker 2: Cell phone activity that's been linked to him and has
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Speaker 2: numerous connections throughout the area, information that we were able
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Speaker 2: to glean from a private investigator and really a team
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Speaker 2: of private investigators that we employed because, quite frankly, and
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Speaker 2: we've said this to anyone who reads the book and
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Speaker 2: I just don't trust what the federal government is putting out.
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Speaker 2: And so what we did was we hired a private
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Speaker 2: investigation team.
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Speaker 3: They went and did.
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Speaker 2: Shoe leather reporting on the ground, and we collected all
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Speaker 2: those reports. We include them in the appendix of the book,
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Speaker 2: but then we also have them throughout the book to
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Speaker 2: kind of give you a broader picture of who this
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Speaker 2: person was and the people he may or may not
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Speaker 2: have been talking to.
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Speaker 3: Because, you know, in the initial.
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Speaker 2: interviews, you get this sense of, for people who knew him,
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Speaker 2: this really just sort of dusting of interviews that the
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Speaker 2: media did with some of his former classmates, some of
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Speaker 2: his family.
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Speaker 3: And they say, oh, he's kind of a loner.
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Speaker 2: But then if you dig deeper, you'll find interviews for
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Speaker 2: people who say, no, he was actually well-liked. He actually
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Speaker 2: had a lot of friends. He was not picked on.
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Speaker 2: He was not bullied. There were no issues with him whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: And so.
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Speaker 2: There was an initial picture painted by the mainstream media that,
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Speaker 2: of course, the government is more than happy to keep
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Speaker 2: out there. And Chris Wray is more than happy to
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Speaker 2: keep out there. And Chris Wray himself has made some
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Speaker 2: very incorrect public statements about this. Hopefully, he'll want to
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Speaker 2: change his testimony to the House.
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Speaker 3: We'll see if he does that in his private.
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Speaker 2: Capacity, since he's no longer going to be FBI director
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Speaker 2: here in a couple of weeks. But The idea that
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Speaker 2: Crooks was just this loner who had no friends, it's
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Speaker 2: just not true.
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Speaker 3: It's just not true.
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Speaker 2: And there were people that he was friends with. One
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Speaker 2: in particular actually was, so we pulled the records of
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Speaker 2: the shooting range where he would go to train. And
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Speaker 2: he even went to train on the day immediately prior.
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Speaker 2: So July 12th, the day before the July 13th shooting,
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Speaker 2: he went to that range to shoot.
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Speaker 3: This is a range that's frequented.
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Speaker 2: It's in the Bethel Park, Pennsylvania area, so western Pennsylvania
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Speaker 2: outside of Pittsburgh. And it's used by law enforcement. It's
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Speaker 2: used by federal law enforcement. Federal agencies go there as well.
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Speaker 2: And for many of the times that he was going there,
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Speaker 2: not the day before the shooting, but many of the
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Speaker 2: other times that he was going to that range, we
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Speaker 2: can see, and it is redacted, but we can see
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Speaker 2: if you match the date and time and usage, he
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Speaker 2: was going there with someone. He was going with someone
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Speaker 2: to that gun range. And there's no indication yet. We
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Speaker 2: have some additional reporting that we haven't quite put out
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Speaker 2: yet because it's not confirmed.
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Speaker 3: All the way on who that may have been. But
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Speaker 3: it does appear that he was.
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Speaker 2: In fact, attending that range with someone multiple times again
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Speaker 2: and again and.
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Speaker 3: Lead up to this.
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Speaker 2: And then there's an abrupt stop where that person stops coming.
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Speaker 2: And so, of course, any investigator would want to talk
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Speaker 2: to that person and would want to talk about what
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Speaker 2: were the things that He said, well, he was on
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Speaker 2: the range. What were the sort of things that he
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Speaker 2: talked about? Why did he talk about when he was
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Speaker 2: going to the range? Was there anything out there? Was
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Speaker 2: there any information? Why did you stop going with him?
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Speaker 2: And again, these are just questions that it seems like
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Speaker 2: the FBI, local law enforcement, even this latest House report,
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Speaker 2: were just not interested in getting into.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jack, there were so many things in this
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Speaker 1: book that just made me take pause. I mean, I literally,
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Speaker 1: if you guys look at my, look at this book,
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Speaker 1: I have like highlights, like as you go through it.
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Speaker 3: You're a highlighter, okay.
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Speaker 1: I was highlighting through it. I'm like, this was crazy
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Speaker 1: to me. And I want to ask you about Crooks'
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Speaker 1: family because that made me, I think, out of everything,
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Speaker 1: take the most pause. You describe them in the book
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Speaker 1: as the type of people you'd expect to be hoarders.
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Speaker 1: And yet somehow they've been able to hire a really
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Speaker 1: expensive lawyer from a Pittsburgh-based firm specializing in criminal defense.
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Speaker 1: How are they affording that?
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Speaker 2: So this is something that we don't quite have the
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Speaker 2: information on. There's an extremely wealthy defense firm, criminal defense
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Speaker 2: firm that's been hired by the family, the father and
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Speaker 2: the mother here. Look, one of the things that we
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Speaker 2: broke exclusively in the report on, and I'll start it here,
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Speaker 2: was that there is in fact a federal grand jury
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Speaker 2: investigation going on in Western Pennsylvania that is looking into
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Speaker 2: this case. And so of course a federal grand jury Yes,
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Speaker 2: they're used for looking at evidence, but they are only
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Speaker 2: convened if they're looking at evidence of a crime.
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Speaker 3: Well, they're not looking at evidence of a crime for
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Speaker 3: Thomas Matthew Crooks because he's already deceased.
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Speaker 2: No, in fact, the Western U.S. District of Pennsylvania is
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Speaker 2: looking into a crime potentially to see if there were
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Speaker 2: others involved in the crime or others that may be
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Speaker 2: charged in this.
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Speaker 3: And I just spoke to a lawyer in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday who helped me uncover this via document subpoenas for
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Speaker 2: other things.
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Speaker 3: We were subpoenaing where he went to school and Allegheny
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Speaker 3: Community College.
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Speaker 2: We were subpoenaing places where he worked, et cetera, et cetera,
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Speaker 2: to see if there's any way, because some of these
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Speaker 2: are associated with public departments in Pennsylvania, So we wanted
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Speaker 2: to find through open records requests, his email, his text messages,
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Speaker 2: like when he went to community college, all of that stuff,
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Speaker 2: which by the way, if you're going to community college
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Speaker 2: or if your kids are in community college, if that's
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Speaker 2: a government institution, guess what? Those things can be subpoenaed
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Speaker 2: by open records requests.
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Speaker 3: So word to the wise.
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Speaker 2: But the essential piece of it is it looks as
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Speaker 2: though they may be attempting to build a case against
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Speaker 2: the father specifically, And it could be a similar situation
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Speaker 2: to when a couple of months ago, and we've seen
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Speaker 2: this happen a few times now, where there have been
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Speaker 2: these school shootings where cases have been brought against the
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Speaker 2: parents because of knowing that their child had some kind
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Speaker 2: of mental issue and then yet leaving guns available to them.
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Speaker 3: Now, that being said, Crooks was.
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Speaker 2: Clearly of age, he was over 18, so he clearly
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Speaker 2: was legal to own a long gun in the state
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Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 3: He had the ability to do so.
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Speaker 2: He actually purchased the AR-15 that was used in the
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Speaker 2: shooting from his father using cash. So it was a
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Speaker 2: legal purchase, and this was legal for him to have so.
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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure exactly what crime they would be
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Speaker 2: looking at the parents with, although there is some potentially
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Speaker 2: some reporting that, out there that maybe he had divulged
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Speaker 2: some of these plans with his father. Maybe he had
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Speaker 2: talked about this with his father or something.
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Speaker 3: To that effect.
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Speaker 2: But again, we'd have to wait to see what the
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Speaker 2: grand jury is going on. And they've been almost impenetrable.
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Speaker 2: But I will say this, when it comes to the
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Speaker 2: parents and this grand jury, why is it that you
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Speaker 2: have Jack Posobiec and Bulletproof and Joshua Lysak was our
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Speaker 2: great co-author? Why are we the only ones that are
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Speaker 2: looking into this?
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Speaker 3: Where is Politico? Where's the Washington Post? Where is the
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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette?
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Speaker 2: Where is the Philadelphia Inquirer, another large reporting institution within
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Speaker 2: the state of Pennsylvania?
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Speaker 3: Why are we the ones reporting this?
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Speaker 2: And as you say, when it comes to any of
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Speaker 2: these other shooters, any of these other situations, when it is,
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Speaker 2: God forbid, one of these terrible school shootings happens, the
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Speaker 2: media is all over, the families. the neighbors, the classmates,
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Speaker 2: and they spend weeks and weeks and weeks. And yet
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Speaker 2: it seems like for Thomas Matthew Crook, suddenly that story,
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Speaker 2: they look at him for a couple of days and
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Speaker 2: then they just vanish.
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Speaker 3: They completely disappear and they completely drop the story.
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Speaker 1: There are so many threads that nobody has tried to unravel.
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Speaker 1: One of them, you said that the home was hospital-like scrubbed,
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Speaker 1: including the silverware before local investigative units arrived. Who would
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Speaker 1: do that and why would they do that?
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Speaker 3: So there it is. It is tough to.
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Speaker 2: So Eli Crane, Congressman Eli Crane, was the first to
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Speaker 2: put that in that the information I've spoken to him
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Speaker 2: about that. I've spoken to others about that. And we
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Speaker 2: included it as well because it is one of the
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Speaker 2: early things. The question is the really the question is,
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Speaker 2: was that done by the parents or is it possible
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Speaker 2: that that was done by federal investigators, by the FBI?
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Speaker 2: Because we know and it certainly could be done if
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Speaker 2: they had some.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how they would have a warrant that quickly.
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Speaker 3: They may have. done so without a warrant if they
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Speaker 3: did it that way.
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Speaker 2: But certainly these are things that are done, the taking
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Speaker 2: of silverware is done to look for DNA, to conduct
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Speaker 2: saliva swabs, that type of thing.
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Speaker 3: I can understand that.
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Speaker 2: But also the actions of the FBI in this have
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Speaker 2: been extremely suspect from the very start, not to mention
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Speaker 2: this potential very uncommon method of evidence collection, but also
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Speaker 2: the fact that they cleaned up the crime scene. They
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Speaker 2: cleaned up the body. They cleaned up and actually what
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Speaker 2: power washed the roof of the AGR building where he
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Speaker 2: shot from something that I don't think the FBI has done.
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Speaker 3: Ever in their history.
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Speaker 2: It's just, or even police, usually when something like that
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Speaker 2: happens for those that aren't from high crime areas, and
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Speaker 2: unfortunately I am from one, the cops don't usually do that.
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Speaker 2: Usually the bloodstains and everything else, it's just there. And
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Speaker 2: someone who lives there or a building manager or whatever
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Speaker 2: it is, they have to take care of it.
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Speaker 3: And there's firms you can contract.
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Speaker 2: Out to, but they call it like a biodisposable waste.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, usually that's not something that law enforcement ever does.
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Speaker 2: So then the FBI at one point takes the body
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Speaker 2: has possession of the body.
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Speaker 3: They're running tests on it. They release it to the family.
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Speaker 3: The family has it cremated.
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Speaker 2: The local coroner of Butler County isn't even communicated with
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Speaker 2: at any point in the custody chain. And so these
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Speaker 2: ideas about the toxicology report, which eventually did come out
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Speaker 2: in some reporting from Headlines USA, as well as who
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Speaker 2: I've been in discussion with, as well as with the House.
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Speaker 2: The questions are, you know, was this toxicology report done completely?
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Speaker 2: Was this done up to standard? Were there any other
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Speaker 2: instances or things that could have been looked for that
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Speaker 2: weren't looked for? For example, just a few days ago,
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Speaker 2: George Floyd and the Derek Chauvin case, years obviously after
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Speaker 2: he died, that it's been four years, four and a
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Speaker 2: half years later, that an appeal just went forward that
15:22
Speaker 2: apparently George Floyd had a heart tumor that was never
15:25
Speaker 2: even tested. And so there are some samples that were
15:28
Speaker 2: left in Hennepin County DA's office and the medical examiner's office,
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Speaker 2: but they were never even tested before Derek Chauvin's trial.
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Speaker 2: And so my point is when it comes to these
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Speaker 2: autopsies and when it comes to these toxicology reports in
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Speaker 2: these incredibly high profile cases, when we see the federal
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Speaker 2: government getting involved like they did in the George Floyd case,
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Speaker 2: we really need to start asking questions and start looking
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Speaker 2: at the fact that they begin guiding these reports.
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Speaker 3: They begin guiding these autopsies. They begin guiding these toxicology reports.
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Speaker 3: We know that the FBI was.
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Speaker 2: Involved with changing the official medical report on George Floyd.
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Speaker 3: And so, of course, when it comes to.
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Speaker 2: These high profile situations, we have to ask what's going
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Speaker 2: on and we have.
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Speaker 3: To keep pushing.
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Speaker 1: The FBI has undoubtedly acted extremely bizarre throughout this entire process.
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Speaker 1: And they're the ones who are supposedly in charge of
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Speaker 1: investigating the entire assassination attempt. And then you wonder, do
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Speaker 1: they have a conflict? Because why would you release the
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Speaker 1: body after 10 days for cremation? Why would you scrub
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Speaker 1: the crime scene? It doesn't make any sense. The day
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Speaker 1: of the assassination attempt, you laid out so many failures
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Speaker 1: on the part of the Secret Service. I mean, 90
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Speaker 1: minutes passed from the time law enforcement knew of a
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Speaker 1: suspicious person until he was able to fire eight rounds.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Is it nefarious? Is
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Speaker 1: it just that the Secret Service is a completely failed
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Speaker 1: and incompetent agency? What is the reasoning behind all those failures?
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Speaker 2: So throughout the book, we indicate and identify, and people
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Speaker 2: can certainly do their own analysis of it. But what
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Speaker 2: we did was we put this into 12 separate buckets
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Speaker 2: and refer to these as the 12 independent instances of failure. Now,
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean there's only 12 instances of failure, but
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Speaker 2: it does mean that if you change just any one
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Speaker 2: of these 12, Thomas Matthew Crooks would not have been
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Speaker 2: able to fire those eight rounds.
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Speaker 3: For example, if.
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Speaker 2: He had been stopped when he had the range finder,
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Speaker 2: when he was observed with the range finder, as you say,
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Speaker 2: 90 minutes prior to the shooting, if an officer had
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Speaker 2: simply gone up to him and confronted him and had
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Speaker 2: checked him and had seen what was going on, that
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Speaker 2: to me always will stand out as just a very
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Speaker 2: obvious indication of the situation. By the way, one of
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Speaker 2: the other failures that I have to say.
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Speaker 3: It's personally, it's sort of my one, you know, it's
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Speaker 3: the one hanging.
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Speaker 2: Thread that just keeps itching at me is where was
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Speaker 2: the gun? So there are these There are these videos.
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Speaker 2: There was a video that came out weeks later on TikTok,
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Speaker 2: by the way. And I was able to find because
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Speaker 2: I just spent weeks going on every social media site
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Speaker 2: and searching his name and, you know, and just kept
18:21
Speaker 2: doing this day after day after day and seeing whatever
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Speaker 2: the most recent thing was posted every single morning.
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Speaker 3: I would just do this like clockwork. And then all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, one day I found.
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Speaker 2: A TikTok video and the TikTok video was filmed by
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Speaker 2: one of the vendors. And for anyone who's been to
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Speaker 2: a Trump rally, there's always, you know, there's the official,
18:39
Speaker 2: you know, campaign booth and they'll have the registration and
18:41
Speaker 2: they'll have, you know, MAGA hats and different things. And
18:45
Speaker 2: but then there'll be the sort of like independent outside
18:48
Speaker 2: vendors that are outside the rally. And so Crooks, this
18:51
Speaker 2: has been reported, I think, very poorly by the media.
18:54
Speaker 2: Crooks never actually enters the rallies. He never sets foot
18:59
Speaker 2: inside that. They call it the Pac-Man perimeter because there's
19:02
Speaker 2: a Secret Service draws a circle around where President Trump
19:05
Speaker 2: was standing.
19:05
Speaker 3: And I've been there. I've been there several times now.
19:07
Speaker 3: I've been taking my children there, by the way.
19:10
Speaker 2: And yet there's a V in like notched out of
19:12
Speaker 2: the perimeter like Pac-Man. And that V corresponds directly with
19:20
Speaker 2: where the AGR building is located. So a direct line
19:23
Speaker 2: of sight vantage point from the AGR building to the
19:26
Speaker 2: spot where President Trump spoke. And actually, when he went
19:29
Speaker 2: back to the second Butler rally, which I did attend
19:31
Speaker 2: with my co-author, Joshua Lysak, that President Trump demanded to
19:35
Speaker 2: speak on the same exact spot where he was shot
19:39
Speaker 2: and almost killed in this miraculous event.
19:43
Speaker 3: And because that's just who he is.
19:44
Speaker 2: And so the vendor who posted this video was one
19:49
Speaker 2: of these independent vendors and said, look, I couldn't believe
19:53
Speaker 2: what happened at this rally that I attended to. I
19:55
Speaker 2: went back and I was scanning through my footage of
19:57
Speaker 2: that day. Just, you know, people take videos on their
19:59
Speaker 2: phones all the time, certainly at Trump events. And he
20:03
Speaker 2: happened to have footage of his phone that he on
20:06
Speaker 2: his phone that he was going through of Thomas Matthew
20:09
Speaker 2: Crooks walking down the aisle, walking down the middle of that,
20:14
Speaker 2: looking very suspicious.
20:15
Speaker 3: Back and forth down that aisle.
20:18
Speaker 2: And of all the interesting things that I look at
20:20
Speaker 2: in that video, I look at number one, he doesn't
20:23
Speaker 2: appear to be talking to anyone in that video. He
20:25
Speaker 2: doesn't have a cell phone out in that video. Of course,
20:27
Speaker 2: we do see him with one later before he ascends
20:30
Speaker 2: to the roof of the AGR building.
20:31
Speaker 3: And he doesn't seem to be in.
20:36
Speaker 2: Really making direct contact with any of the tables or
20:38
Speaker 2: any of the other attendees. There is an individual who's
20:41
Speaker 2: walking in front of him, but it's hard to tell
20:43
Speaker 2: whether or not that they are in any way connected.
20:46
Speaker 2: But what you do, what you don't see in that
20:49
Speaker 2: video is a rifle. And what you don't see is
20:52
Speaker 2: a backpack or anything that he could have used to
20:56
Speaker 2: conceal the rifle.
20:57
Speaker 3: He's wearing a T-shirt and cargo shorts.
21:00
Speaker 2: And so the question is, during that period, which we
21:02
Speaker 2: know that was around 430, he wouldn't have time to
21:06
Speaker 2: go from there to back home and then back again.
21:09
Speaker 2: where was the rifle at this time and why was
21:12
Speaker 2: it that the grounds were not inspected in such a
21:15
Speaker 2: way that the rifle could have been found? So that's
21:17
Speaker 2: one of the big ones that is just such a
21:19
Speaker 2: mystery to me and one of the questions that we
21:22
Speaker 2: may never actually get a solid answer on. But I
21:25
Speaker 2: would encourage people, if you've been to that rally, and
21:28
Speaker 2: I know I have a lot of friends who were
21:29
Speaker 2: there and I've asked people, believe me, by the way,
21:31
Speaker 2: there was a turning point booth that you can see
21:33
Speaker 2: in the background of that video where my friend Noah
21:35
Speaker 2: Formico was working.
21:36
Speaker 3: I asked him about this. He said, yeah.
21:38
Speaker 2: He said crooks did come up to us and we
21:40
Speaker 2: asked him, we said, you know, are you registered to vote?
21:42
Speaker 2: Do you want to be a turning point? Uh, you know,
21:45
Speaker 2: ballot chaser, ballot harvester, which of course was what turning
21:47
Speaker 2: point was doing throughout 2020 in Pennsylvania.
21:50
Speaker 3: And they said that he.
21:51
Speaker 2: Didn't respond to them, that he was kind of aloof
21:56
Speaker 2: and seemed almost condescending to the point where he thought that,
21:59
Speaker 2: that he was like, he was better than them. Like
22:01
Speaker 2: he was, uh, had some kind of secret knowledge that perhaps,
22:07
Speaker 2: something was going to happen. And, uh, Noah actually said
22:10
Speaker 2: to me later, they said, we mentioned it. We said, look,
22:14
Speaker 2: you know, you meet some interesting people, by the way.
22:16
Speaker 2: So in the image you're showing right now, you can
22:17
Speaker 2: see the individual who seems to be walking directly in
22:20
Speaker 2: front of him and they're keeping pace with each other,
22:23
Speaker 2: but doesn't you, you don't actually see them interact in
22:25
Speaker 2: this video in any way.
22:26
Speaker 1: Uh, obviously he certainly doesn't look like he's at a
22:29
Speaker 1: Trump rally. I'll just say like, usually you wear, you know, it's,
22:31
Speaker 1: it's hot out. You're in t-shirts and a short Trump shirt,
22:34
Speaker 1: Trump hat, extremely hot. Yeah, he's not, he doesn't, to me,
22:38
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like he's dressed for a Trump rally.
22:41
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it's odd.
22:43
Speaker 2: And it's, it's, and one of those situations where, you know,
22:46
Speaker 2: we keep digging, but this video would not have been
22:49
Speaker 2: found if people didn't keep digging who are at that rally.
22:52
Speaker 2: So I really do encourage people to keep digging through
22:55
Speaker 2: your phones. I know people who have done so many times,
22:57
Speaker 2: we found so much information, but you can actually see
23:00
Speaker 2: in the background of that video, the turning point logo
23:02
Speaker 2: on the blue tent that directly behind him.
23:04
Speaker 3: And so that's why I called those guys up.
23:06
Speaker 2: I've spoken to every single vendor who was in that video,
23:08
Speaker 2: by the way, at this point throughout the course of this.
23:10
Speaker 3: And then we, and we continue reporting.
23:12
Speaker 2: And I think that at some point we'll probably have
23:14
Speaker 2: to do an update to the book.
23:15
Speaker 3: Actually, when the audio book comes out, um, which, which
23:18
Speaker 3: should be, uh, soon that I've even got.
23:21
Speaker 2: Updates in the audio book, because just given the timing
23:24
Speaker 2: of the whole situation, we've had to, uh, obviously we
23:28
Speaker 2: had to rush this to print. We had to stop
23:30
Speaker 2: the print because at one point, uh, someone tried to
23:32
Speaker 2: kill Trump again. So we had to include that information.
23:35
Speaker 2: and Foreign Fighter who came in. And so we added
23:38
Speaker 2: that chapter at the very tail end. But so there's
23:40
Speaker 2: even new information in the audio book. It's sort of
23:43
Speaker 2: like version 1.5, but eventually there'll be a second edition
23:45
Speaker 2: and others.
23:46
Speaker 3: But to go back to your initial question, I don't
23:49
Speaker 3: know that I would.
23:50
Speaker 2: Say that this was deliberate in the sense that the
23:54
Speaker 2: Secret Service wanted this to happen. But I will, the
23:58
Speaker 2: phrase that we come down to in the book is
24:00
Speaker 2: intentional neglect, right?
24:02
Speaker 3: And what do we say?
24:03
Speaker 2: What does intentional neglect mean? Intentional neglect means that there
24:06
Speaker 2: was a systemic decision on the part of the leadership
24:11
Speaker 2: of the Secret Service all the way down to the
24:13
Speaker 2: field office level where President Trump, Donald Trump, a former president,
24:18
Speaker 2: clearly at an outdoor rally, one of the most high
24:21
Speaker 2: profile and high visibility and high risk events any politician
24:26
Speaker 2: can ever do with a person who is possibly the
24:29
Speaker 2: most targeted politician in the world, there was this attitude
24:36
Speaker 2: that he didn't need the level of protection that everybody
24:40
Speaker 2: else needed, that he didn't deserve the level of protection,
24:43
Speaker 2: that it didn't matter as much, that people weren't taking
24:46
Speaker 2: it seriously. You see a lot of this around January
24:48
Speaker 2: 6th as well. where they would say, oh, well, we
24:50
Speaker 2: don't need security there. We don't need the National Guard there.
24:53
Speaker 2: He wants the National Guard there. But no, we don't
24:56
Speaker 2: have to do that. So again and again and again,
24:59
Speaker 2: we see these systemic failures. And so what we come
25:01
Speaker 2: down to is intentional neglect.
25:03
Speaker 3: Now, one interesting sort of social experiment that we did.
25:07
Speaker 2: Grok wasn't really up and running back then, but GPT-4 was,
25:10
Speaker 2: and that was the latest iteration of AI from OpenAI.
25:15
Speaker 2: So GPT-4, which is the highest propriety version of ChatGPT,
25:21
Speaker 2: we took all of those 12 intelligence failures and those
25:24
Speaker 2: 12 independent failures and we put them into GPT-4, and
25:28
Speaker 2: we said, given all of this, what are the odds
25:31
Speaker 2: that all of these independent failures would happen on the
25:34
Speaker 2: same day that a trained marksman with malicious intent would
25:39
Speaker 2: arrive and attempt to murder the former president of the
25:44
Speaker 2: United States, who is, again, running for re-election? The odds
25:47
Speaker 2: came out from GPT-4 as one in one septillion, which
25:51
Speaker 2: is essentially the same odds as you or I taking
25:55
Speaker 2: a a quarter or a coin and flipping it and
25:58
Speaker 2: it coming up heads 90 times.
26:00
Speaker 3: In a row, which, you know, you or I tried
26:02
Speaker 3: that in Vegas, we'd be arrested.
26:04
Speaker 2: So then we asked it a follow-up question and we said,
26:08
Speaker 2: given those odds and given that likelihood, is it possible
26:13
Speaker 2: that this happened by chance? And GPT-4 responded and said,
26:17
Speaker 2: given the extremely high nature of these odds, the unlikelihood
26:22
Speaker 2: of this being only by chance seems impossible.
26:27
Speaker 3: And in fact, could possibly be something else. And that's,
26:31
Speaker 3: that's GP. Yeah.
26:33
Speaker 1: And that, and that was incredible. I mean, just to
26:34
Speaker 1: see those numbers laid out and it's, it's chat GPT,
26:37
Speaker 1: you know, so we, and, and we don't know exactly
26:39
Speaker 1: how the meth, I think you said that laid that
26:41
Speaker 1: on the book that we don't know exactly what methodology
26:43
Speaker 1: chat GPT was doing, but the, um, all of the
26:46
Speaker 1: variables seem to be pretty miraculous.
26:50
Speaker 2: If anyone knows GPT-4 or chat GPT, it's typically an anti-Trump,
26:54
Speaker 2: if anything, bias. So I figured that surely something with
26:58
Speaker 2: an anti-Trump bias would want to have a bias that's
27:02
Speaker 2: pro-national security state, pro-secret service, pro-FBI.
27:05
Speaker 3: Et cetera.
27:05
Speaker 2: And even that with an anti-Trump bias and an anti-Trump
27:09
Speaker 2: slant said, no, there seems to be something that's going
27:11
Speaker 2: on here. And you do see this play out in Obviously,
27:15
Speaker 2: the election hadn't happened when we wrote the book, but
27:18
Speaker 2: we've seen in a lot of exit polls and exit
27:21
Speaker 2: reporting that's come out that people really do say that
27:24
Speaker 2: the events of July 13th and J-13 in Butler, Pennsylvania,
27:28
Speaker 2: were a wake-up call to a lot of Americans that
27:31
Speaker 2: everything had kind of gone too far. And it was
27:33
Speaker 2: an event that I think really woke a lot of
27:35
Speaker 2: people up. And perhaps people who are in the middle
27:38
Speaker 2: or perhaps people who just.
27:40
Speaker 3: We're not inclined.
27:41
Speaker 2: They didn't like maybe Trump's rhetoric or his tweets or something,
27:45
Speaker 2: but it changed the way they viewed him. And they said,
27:48
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is a guy who has a wife,
27:50
Speaker 2: he has children, he has grandchildren, all of whom love
27:54
Speaker 2: him very dearly. He has great relationships with all of them.
27:57
Speaker 3: His granddaughter went and spoke at the RNC.
27:59
Speaker 2: She went and spoke at the RNC only days after
28:02
Speaker 2: this event. All of them went and spoke at the
28:05
Speaker 2: RNC only days after watching their grandfather be shot in
28:09
Speaker 2: the head. And if not for the grace of God,
28:12
Speaker 2: and no one will ever tell me that it was
28:14
Speaker 2: not God sending the Archangel Michael to deflect that bullet
28:19
Speaker 2: with his shield at that very last moment, then I'm sorry,
28:23
Speaker 2: it's just what I believe and I'm never going to
28:25
Speaker 2: believe anything else.
28:26
Speaker 1: And they'll make fun of you for saying that it's miraculous,
28:29
Speaker 1: but it truly was. There's no way that he could
28:33
Speaker 1: have survived that without God's intervention.
28:36
Speaker 3: And you see this, by the way, again and again.
28:38
Speaker 2: And the reason we chose the cover, by the way,
28:42
Speaker 2: the way that we did, and with that image of
28:46
Speaker 2: Trump lower.
28:49
Speaker 3: And, you know, we've we've all seen him with the
28:52
Speaker 3: arm in the air before.
28:53
Speaker 2: We've seen the iconic photo. We've seen the images of
28:56
Speaker 2: him rallying the crowds. But this is an image that
28:58
Speaker 2: you've never seen of him before. An image of Donald
29:01
Speaker 2: Trump on his knees in public with his hands clasped
29:07
Speaker 2: before him.
29:09
Speaker 3: And to me, it it just looks like he's in prayer.
29:12
Speaker 3: And I agree. And God calls all of us. to
29:17
Speaker 3: humble ourselves.
29:17
Speaker 2: And for all the things that he is, I don't
29:20
Speaker 2: know that humility or being humble is anything that most
29:25
Speaker 2: people would consider for Donald Trump. And I said this
29:29
Speaker 2: to him and I said, Mr. President, he said, why
29:31
Speaker 2: did you choose that picture? He asked me that backstage
29:33
Speaker 2: when I showed him the book at an event. And
29:35
Speaker 2: I said, because I think this was the moment that
29:38
Speaker 2: allowed the other moment to happen. And I think this
29:41
Speaker 2: was the moment where you were contemplating what had happened.
29:46
Speaker 2: And I think God spoke to you in that moment
29:48
Speaker 2: and said, you know, there's more work to be done.
29:53
Speaker 2: And then that led to the iconic photo. So for me,
29:57
Speaker 2: as a Christian and as an American. And I just
30:00
Speaker 2: think that this moment means a whole lot. And that's
30:02
Speaker 2: why I chose it.
30:03
Speaker 1: It is the angle that you don't see very often.
30:05
Speaker 1: And I do, hearing you explain it, it makes a
30:08
Speaker 1: lot of sense. I mean, it was truly providential, the
30:11
Speaker 1: way that he survived all of this. And it doesn't
30:14
Speaker 1: seem to be, in my opinion, something that could be
30:19
Speaker 1: up to chance. All of these different variables coming together
30:21
Speaker 1: at the same time. What do you make of the
30:23
Speaker 1: guy in the gray suit?
30:25
Speaker 2: So the man in the gray suit and Senator Ron Johnson,
30:28
Speaker 2: who broke that story, is a frequent guest on Human
30:31
Speaker 2: Events Daily, has been identified as a member of the
30:35
Speaker 2: ATF field office for Pittsburgh. And the number that he
30:39
Speaker 2: gave was supposedly this work phone, had a Philadelphia number,
30:45
Speaker 2: but they say it was associated with the ATF's office.
30:48
Speaker 3: I have a lot of contacts there.
30:49
Speaker 2: I'm from Pennsylvania originally, so I know people who have
30:52
Speaker 2: worked in that office. And What we're told, the official narrative,
30:57
Speaker 2: as far as I've been able to get out, was
30:59
Speaker 2: that he and through my own reporting from just sources
31:02
Speaker 2: in federal law enforcement, is that he, of his own volition,
31:09
Speaker 2: voluntarily decided to go in his car and drive out
31:12
Speaker 2: to the rally. and did not choose to identify himself
31:16
Speaker 2: and did not explain who he was with, but yet
31:19
Speaker 2: was kind of giving orders and asking people for this
31:22
Speaker 2: information and then disappears the minute that Senator Johnson starts
31:26
Speaker 2: asking about him. That's something that, again, it needs to
31:30
Speaker 2: be called into question. Why is there an agent who's there?
31:34
Speaker 2: And okay, sure, I try to be skeptical every time
31:38
Speaker 2: something like this happens. So the skeptical side of me says, Well,
31:41
Speaker 2: maybe he was just watching it on TV and he
31:44
Speaker 2: drove there and somehow was able to get through the
31:47
Speaker 2: barricades and get through all of the security.
31:51
Speaker 3: And the lockdowns because he showed them his credentials.
31:53
Speaker 2: But then why didn't he show his credentials to anyone
31:55
Speaker 2: who was actually at the crime scene? Should we believe
31:59
Speaker 2: that story or was the story or could he have
32:01
Speaker 2: actually been there beforehand? One of the pieces that I
32:05
Speaker 2: think a lot of people need to start asking is,
32:08
Speaker 2: number one, how many undercover federal law enforcement, just like
32:13
Speaker 2: January 6th, were there present in plain clothes before the
32:17
Speaker 2: shooting took place? And if so, what were they doing there? Look,
32:20
Speaker 2: it has taken years for, and the FBI has never,
32:24
Speaker 2: by the way, never once, same Chris Wray, by the way,
32:27
Speaker 2: the same Chris Wray, who I should mention, lied about
32:30
Speaker 2: shrapnel hitting President Trump. He lied under oath to the
32:34
Speaker 2: house about shrapnel hitting president Trump when we know it
32:37
Speaker 2: was not shrapnel from one of the teleprompters, because you
32:40
Speaker 2: can see the teleprompters in, uh, in the video and
32:44
Speaker 2: they're perfectly fine. And I actually was at an event, uh,
32:49
Speaker 2: this weekend where a podium was knocked over because of
32:52
Speaker 2: a medical episode and, uh, fell onto.
32:54
Speaker 3: My wife as a matter of fact. And, um, the
32:57
Speaker 3: podium shattered immediately.
32:59
Speaker 2: So don't tell me that one of these things wouldn't
33:01
Speaker 2: shatter if a bullet hit it.
33:02
Speaker 3: No, you lied.
33:05
Speaker 2: Chris Ray, you lied under oath. Donald Trump was shot.
33:08
Speaker 2: It was a bullet that hit his ear. It was
33:09
Speaker 2: the bullet that caused the blood streak across his face.
33:12
Speaker 3: It's very clear.
33:13
Speaker 2: And the fact that he lied really raises a lot
33:16
Speaker 2: of questions as to why he would do so. So
33:19
Speaker 2: he was deceptive, to say the least, about the federal law.
33:23
Speaker 2: assets and confidential human sources that were, we now know,
33:26
Speaker 2: 26 of which paid informants at January 6th. It has
33:30
Speaker 2: taken years to get that information out. And I think
33:32
Speaker 2: that given the new house and hopefully a great new
33:37
Speaker 2: FBI director, that we can find out just how many
33:40
Speaker 2: confidential human sources were there and in Butler, Pennsylvania on J13.
33:45
Speaker 2: And then it begs a very, very serious question as
33:49
Speaker 2: to who were they in communication with? And is it
33:52
Speaker 2: possible that one of them, somewhere along the line, was
33:56
Speaker 2: in communication with Crooks himself?
33:59
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I want to ask you about next, Jack,
34:00
Speaker 1: because something that you seem to really hammer home in
34:03
Speaker 1: the book is that we still don't have a motive
34:06
Speaker 1: for Thomas Crooks. I mean, the official narrative is basically nothing,
34:10
Speaker 1: that he was just a twisted up kid, and it
34:13
Speaker 1: doesn't really make any sense. Do you think it's possible
34:16
Speaker 1: that This kid who went to a shooting range where
34:20
Speaker 1: federal agents also use, has these really high IQ points,
34:28
Speaker 1: is not a normal kid by the accounts of many
34:32
Speaker 1: of his former friends. Is it possible that he could
34:35
Speaker 1: have been MKUltra'd? And for those of you who don't know,
34:39
Speaker 1: Project MKUltra was a CIA mind control program that some
34:43
Speaker 1: say never actually ended. this idea that, you know, psychological
34:47
Speaker 1: drugs can manipulate you to somehow commit really violent acts.
34:51
Speaker 1: We know that the Feds had been dabbling in that
34:55
Speaker 1: in the past. Is something like this possible with Thomas Crooks,
34:59
Speaker 1: given his strange connections to the Feds? There was also
35:02
Speaker 1: a phone connection that he had, a device affiliated with
35:06
Speaker 1: him that also visited a part of Washington, D.C. that's
35:10
Speaker 1: very near the FBI building. What do you make of
35:13
Speaker 1: that of that potential theory.
35:15
Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
35:16
Speaker 2: And by the way, for folks who weren't familiar with it, that,
35:19
Speaker 2: you know, this is the genesis of season one of
35:23
Speaker 2: Stranger Things is MKUltra. This is also the genesis of
35:27
Speaker 2: the Bourne series, Jason Bourne. And in fact, it is
35:32
Speaker 2: the case that was responsible. One of the earliest test
35:37
Speaker 2: subjects of this was a high IQ student at MIT.
35:44
Speaker 3: He was about 15, 16. He was a prodigy.
35:47
Speaker 2: And yet he found his way into these experiments thinking
35:49
Speaker 2: that he was participating in research.
35:53
Speaker 3: And his name was Theodore Kaczynski.
35:57
Speaker 2: And as folks will later know, obviously, as Ted Kaczynski
36:01
Speaker 2: and the Unabomber, someone who went on to commit a
36:05
Speaker 2: series of high profile killings and high profile bombings, all
36:10
Speaker 2: in furtherance of his political ideals.
36:13
Speaker 3: And His manifesto, of course, is very well read.
36:16
Speaker 2: And yet, because of these experiments that were done to him,
36:20
Speaker 2: the decisions that he made and the judgment that he
36:23
Speaker 2: would have otherwise exhibited seemed to be completely.
36:26
Speaker 3: Lost to him. So I'll say this, you know, is
36:30
Speaker 3: it possible? Look, anything's possible.
36:33
Speaker 2: And the fact that the toxicology report was done so quickly,
36:36
Speaker 2: one of the things that I would have loved to
36:38
Speaker 2: see is what type of medications was he on? Because
36:41
Speaker 2: We know that both of his parents, and you mentioned
36:43
Speaker 2: them earlier, and I wanted to say that they are
36:45
Speaker 2: both involved in clinical psychology. They're both counselors, so they
36:50
Speaker 2: would be people who would know how to either procure
36:53
Speaker 2: those drugs or at least refer him to someone who.
36:56
Speaker 3: Could do so.
36:58
Speaker 2: We also know, by the way, that he was searching
37:03
Speaker 2: for a variety of things, was searching for online pornography,
37:07
Speaker 2: on the day of the assassination, but also in the
37:09
Speaker 2: weeks prior to, he was searching for clinical depression.
37:13
Speaker 3: And so he himself.
37:14
Speaker 2: May have known that he had some kind of issue. Now,
37:20
Speaker 2: the question is, when you add all this together, these
37:23
Speaker 2: potential connections, the searches for depression, again, I'm not saying
37:27
Speaker 2: we have direct evidence of any of this, but there's
37:30
Speaker 2: a lot of open questions. And I certainly wouldn't deny
37:33
Speaker 2: any inquiry into this at all, because This is someone, again,
37:37
Speaker 2: this is someone who almost killed the president of the
37:40
Speaker 2: United States. And by the way, someone who did, and
37:44
Speaker 2: I should have mentioned this earlier, someone who did murder
37:46
Speaker 2: someone that day named Corey Campatori. And I met his
37:50
Speaker 2: wife and his children and his widow, by the way,
37:53
Speaker 2: at the second Butler rally. We were seated very close
37:56
Speaker 2: to them. And that family, it was a horrible day
37:59
Speaker 2: for them, obviously. And that family deserves answers. That family
38:04
Speaker 2: absolutely deserves answers as to why it was that their father,
38:08
Speaker 2: who was a hero, who was a fire chief, and
38:11
Speaker 2: the last words he said to them was get down
38:14
Speaker 2: and push down his wife and daughters and shielded them
38:17
Speaker 2: with his own body because Thomas Crooks began firing wildly
38:21
Speaker 2: into the crowd, gave his life for his wife and children.
38:25
Speaker 2: They deserve answers as to who this individual was, who
38:30
Speaker 2: he was in contact with, and everything that That led
38:32
Speaker 2: to this.
38:33
Speaker 3: So I'm sorry. The House report that came out a
38:35
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, it was a joke.
38:37
Speaker 2: There's barely any interest in the shooter whatsoever, by the way,
38:42
Speaker 2: in that report. And I really think that we as
38:45
Speaker 2: a country and look, you know, I'm not saying that
38:47
Speaker 2: this book. is a, you know, is the end all
38:50
Speaker 2: be all to end all things. And of course my
38:52
Speaker 2: publisher doesn't like me saying that because it's supposed to
38:54
Speaker 2: sell the books, but you know, it it's, we're trying, okay.
38:58
Speaker 2: We are trying and we're uncovering a lot of information
39:01
Speaker 2: that for whatever reason, these people do not want to
39:03
Speaker 2: talk about.
39:04
Speaker 1: Well, and I'll just say to you guys listening, I mean,
39:06
Speaker 1: obviously there's, there's going to be updates. This book gives
39:09
Speaker 1: you a really good base knowledge of, of just what are,
39:12
Speaker 1: what are the facts? What are the most, like the
39:14
Speaker 1: most important things for you to know So then when
39:16
Speaker 1: we ask questions in the future, when we push our
39:18
Speaker 1: members of Congress to actually look into this, when we
39:21
Speaker 1: hold this next administration accountable, and I think Trump's obviously
39:25
Speaker 1: going to do that, we know what to be asking.
39:28
Speaker 1: We know what to be looking for. And we know
39:30
Speaker 1: what gaps need to be filled in.
39:31
Speaker 2: And a huge piece of this, by the way, and
39:34
Speaker 2: obviously we're focused on crooks, but Ryan Wesley Ralph, this
39:38
Speaker 2: individual who clearly had ties to the CIA. I mean,
39:42
Speaker 2: there's no question about that in my mind with his
39:46
Speaker 2: movements in Ukraine, the foreign.
39:48
Speaker 1: Visa scam with Taliban fighters.
39:51
Speaker 2: Visa trying to bring Afghanistan fighters to, well, they were
39:56
Speaker 2: anti-Taliban fighters. He wanted to bring the anti-Taliban trained fighters
40:00
Speaker 2: from Afghanistan into.
40:02
Speaker 3: Ukraine via Istanbul.
40:05
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right, lying about the visa and all
40:07
Speaker 2: of these various things.
40:08
Speaker 3: How is he able to do all this?
40:09
Speaker 2: How is he able to procure an SKS from the
40:13
Speaker 2: battlefield of Ukraine and bring it back to West Palm
40:15
Speaker 2: Beach and attempt to kill President Trump on the sixth
40:18
Speaker 2: hole of his international golf course there, which is just.
40:23
Speaker 3: Not far away from Palm Beach International Airport.
40:26
Speaker 2: The idea that the thing with Ralph, though, that's very
40:30
Speaker 2: interesting is that he's still around. And so he was
40:34
Speaker 2: scheduled to go on trial just weeks after the election.
40:37
Speaker 2: That was pushed back to February because his counsel said
40:40
Speaker 2: they needed more time. Now his counsels are saying they
40:43
Speaker 2: want to be to push it back all the way
40:45
Speaker 2: to December of 2025 for his federal trial. And you're
40:49
Speaker 2: going to love why, because they say there's too much
40:53
Speaker 2: evidence and information out there on him. for us to
40:57
Speaker 2: be able to go through before we go to trial.
40:58
Speaker 2: And the question, okay, so what is the information? They said, well,
41:02
Speaker 2: they said, we have to go through 18 cell phones.
41:04
Speaker 3: 18 cell phones.
41:06
Speaker 1: Now, Evita, you know, Who has 18 cell phones?
41:09
Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm not Gen Z. Uh, I'm not, uh,
41:13
Speaker 3: you know, Gen Alpha or anything like this. I've, I've,
41:16
Speaker 3: I've spent time.
41:16
Speaker 2: Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump. He has, he's a, he's the
41:19
Speaker 2: president of the United States and a, and a multi-billionaire.
41:21
Speaker 3: He's got two, right? He's just got two.
41:23
Speaker 2: So, uh, I don't know why anyone would need 18
41:27
Speaker 2: cell phones, but one of the things they mentioned is
41:29
Speaker 2: that one of the cell phones, in fact, was not his.
41:33
Speaker 2: So again, we have a situation where there's an individual
41:37
Speaker 2: that has all of these ties that nobody seems interested
41:40
Speaker 2: in talking about, but what's a massive opportunity for us
41:43
Speaker 2: is that he will, at least at some point, be
41:46
Speaker 2: going to trial.
41:48
Speaker 1: There are so many questions. We didn't even get into
41:50
Speaker 1: Ryan Routh, but there are even more questions when it
41:52
Speaker 1: comes to him. And Jack, this might seem out of
41:55
Speaker 1: left field, especially for you guys listening, because you didn't
41:57
Speaker 1: hear Jack and I talk before the show starts. But
42:00
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about It's a Wonderful Life.
42:02
Speaker 1: And I actually think it's an interesting segue because we've been,
42:06
Speaker 1: I mean, the world that we're living in right now
42:08
Speaker 1: feels worlds away from this classic film, Frank Capra film,
42:15
Speaker 1: that is everything that I think America used to be
42:19
Speaker 1: and was beautiful and wonderful and now isn't. And I
42:23
Speaker 1: think it's so important that people watch it this Christmas.
42:26
Speaker 1: We're almost at Christmas time. We're almost at, you know,
42:29
Speaker 1: the December 25th. And so why do you love this movie, Jack?
42:33
Speaker 1: And what do you think?
42:34
Speaker 3: I've been tweeting about it, yeah.
42:35
Speaker 1: You have, you have. It's my favorite Christmas movie of
42:39
Speaker 1: all time. It's the best Christmas movie. I totally agree
42:42
Speaker 1: with you.
42:43
Speaker 2: I will say, I'll slightly disagree with you, though, because
42:47
Speaker 2: there is one part of the movie that is very
42:49
Speaker 2: similar to the time we live in now.
42:51
Speaker 3: And that's the part where he goes into Pottersville.
42:55
Speaker 1: Well, I love that you said that because I do
42:57
Speaker 1: agree with that. And I want you to tell us
42:59
Speaker 1: why it's relevant and why we're living in Pottersville.
43:02
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to be doing an entire special with
43:07
Speaker 2: Glenn Jacobs, aka the Kane of.
43:10
Speaker 3: WWE, because why not?
43:12
Speaker 2: All about this movie a couple of days before Christmas.
43:16
Speaker 2: And The reason that It's a Wonderful Life, to me,
43:20
Speaker 2: is my favorite Christian movie and favorite Christmas movie is,
43:24
Speaker 2: and it is a Christian movie, and I can explain that.
43:25
Speaker 2: And it's not just because of the angel. I mean, obviously,
43:28
Speaker 2: it is a Christian story.
43:30
Speaker 3: But because... Pottersville.
43:32
Speaker 2: Is the country that America was becoming under Joe Biden
43:36
Speaker 2: and not just Joe Biden. There were a lot of
43:38
Speaker 2: Republicans that were more than happy to push this along.
43:40
Speaker 2: We were becoming a country that was totally consumed by greed.
43:44
Speaker 2: We were becoming a country that was totally consumed by
43:47
Speaker 2: OnlyFans culture, which of course is exhibited in the character
43:50
Speaker 2: of Violet in the movie. Just the same idea, but
43:55
Speaker 2: for the 1940s version, we were becoming a country that
43:58
Speaker 2: was consumed by living to excess and Alcoholism, drugs, these
44:03
Speaker 2: are things that are shown to be rampant in Pottersville,
44:06
Speaker 2: but also a country that is centralized by the lack
44:11
Speaker 2: of family and the pursuit of money, casinos, and by
44:16
Speaker 2: the way, debt. And debt slavery is a huge part
44:20
Speaker 2: of the story and a huge part of Pottersville because Potter,
44:25
Speaker 2: when he takes control of the country, he represents a bank.
44:30
Speaker 2: And a bank that doesn't care about the people but
44:32
Speaker 2: only cares about maximizing the profits and doing so by
44:35
Speaker 2: being predatory on the people of formerly Bedford Falls.
44:38
Speaker 3: Now Pottersville.
44:40
Speaker 2: His entire goal is to use essentially the seven deadly
44:45
Speaker 2: sins and turn them into vices and say, no, these
44:48
Speaker 2: things are actually seven virtues. And alcoholism and girls, girls,
44:53
Speaker 2: girls and casinos are the ways that you can see
44:57
Speaker 2: yourself through.
44:57
Speaker 3: And so he gets people more and more into debt.
45:01
Speaker 2: And then he gives them the casinos as a way
45:03
Speaker 2: to possibly get out of debt. And then when they can't, well,
45:06
Speaker 2: he's got his shantytown for you at the edge of
45:09
Speaker 2: the railroad tracks.
45:10
Speaker 3: That is the America.
45:12
Speaker 2: And you drive through some of these parts of middle
45:15
Speaker 2: America or Pennsylvania where I'm from, and you could see it.
45:18
Speaker 3: You could just palpably see it.
45:20
Speaker 2: That America, this is, um, you know, it's, it's a
45:24
Speaker 2: little personal because this, this happened to my hometown. Uh,
45:27
Speaker 2: this happened to the town where my family's from in
45:29
Speaker 2: Eastern Pennsylvania, you know, just sort of industrial town.
45:32
Speaker 3: That, uh, it's been destroyed. It's been completely destroyed.
45:34
Speaker 2: It's overrun by criminals, section eight, illegal aliens are, have
45:38
Speaker 2: been running over it for 20 years now. And, um,
45:42
Speaker 2: you know, my, I'll just in sort of my own
45:44
Speaker 2: tiny little way of, of explaining it that, you know,
45:47
Speaker 2: my father's first job was at the drug store that
45:50
Speaker 2: was up the street.
45:51
Speaker 3: And back in those days, drug stores were, you know.
45:53
Speaker 2: It was like, he would like fill the sodas and
45:55
Speaker 2: he would, you know, help people get like malt beverages
45:57
Speaker 2: and stuff. And they had a, they would have the
45:59
Speaker 2: one telephone line on the street. So whenever somebody would
46:02
Speaker 2: call into the drug store, my father's job was to
46:05
Speaker 2: run down the street and tell someone there was a
46:06
Speaker 2: phone call for them.
46:07
Speaker 3: And so he had, he was like the, he was
46:09
Speaker 3: like the phone boy. They would call it sometimes.
46:12
Speaker 2: And that store now has metal bars all over the
46:16
Speaker 2: doors and windows and sells African food and is on
46:22
Speaker 2: one of the most high-crime, high-homicide streets in the entire town.
46:26
Speaker 2: And that's the street I grew up on, where I
46:29
Speaker 2: knew everyone's name, where I could just play with the
46:32
Speaker 2: kids who were the children of the kids that my
46:36
Speaker 2: father had played with when he was growing up. And
46:39
Speaker 2: it became Pottersville. And it became so by design. It
46:42
Speaker 2: became so deliberately. It was done by people like Mr. Potter,
46:46
Speaker 2: who were more than happy to destroy the town and
46:48
Speaker 2: destroy the inhabitants and push everyone out. And then when
46:51
Speaker 2: we all left, they accused us of white flight. And
46:54
Speaker 2: they said that was even our fault, too, to the
46:56
Speaker 2: point where I've never even taken my children for a
46:59
Speaker 2: walk down the street where I grew up because I couldn't.
47:02
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't in good conscience.
47:04
Speaker 2: The hospital where I was born is now a vacant
47:07
Speaker 2: lot next to a Planned Parenthood clinic. So to zoom
47:10
Speaker 2: out from all that, you know, and it's, it's whatever, like,
47:12
Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, I'm not sitting here complaining about it,
47:14
Speaker 2: but I will just say that when I watch this movie,
47:17
Speaker 2: it resonates with me because I've seen that happen in
47:20
Speaker 2: my own life. I know there's a lot of people
47:21
Speaker 2: who have seen that happen, but it's even a more
47:24
Speaker 2: Christian story because it, it shows us that humans were
47:28
Speaker 2: not meant to be islands. We were not meant to
47:32
Speaker 2: simply live for ourselves. We're not simply meant to live
47:34
Speaker 2: for greed. And in fact, it is the Christian ideal
47:37
Speaker 2: to live for others. And where does that start? It
47:40
Speaker 2: starts at home with the family unit. And it's a
47:43
Speaker 2: dark story. And Jimmy Stewart was going through PTSD and
47:47
Speaker 2: Frank Capra himself had been a World War II veteran,
47:50
Speaker 2: didn't see as much combat, but having been a bomber pilot,
47:52
Speaker 2: you know, Jimmy Stewart, he's out there on these bombing runs. Hey,
47:56
Speaker 2: you know, there's 10 pilots going out and only five
47:57
Speaker 2: are going to come back. And you do that every
47:59
Speaker 2: single day over and over and over.
48:01
Speaker 3: And they say that those.
48:02
Speaker 2: Scenes where he almost commits suicide on the bridge, which,
48:05
Speaker 2: by the way, of course, very transgressive for the 1940s
48:08
Speaker 2: to have a movie like this that talks about suicide,
48:12
Speaker 2: which is still a very real thing that happens with veterans,
48:15
Speaker 2: certainly localized around Christmas Eve and the Christmas season.
48:19
Speaker 3: The holiday season, that to show all this, it's very real.
48:23
Speaker 2: And there's a scene where in early on where it's
48:26
Speaker 2: so hard for me to watch now as someone who's
48:28
Speaker 2: got young children myself because he's I mean, he's screaming
48:32
Speaker 2: at his little for me, it's so hard to watch
48:33
Speaker 2: this when he starts screaming at his little girl when
48:36
Speaker 2: she's playing the piano.
48:37
Speaker 3: She says, Daddy, I want to play. And she has
48:39
Speaker 3: a Christmas song and she wants to play the song
48:41
Speaker 3: for her daddy. And he starts screaming at her.
48:43
Speaker 2: And I I realize that's that's child abuse. I mean,
48:45
Speaker 2: there's this there's a scene in there where it's basically
48:48
Speaker 2: emotional child abuse. But you realize as watching it that
48:52
Speaker 2: he's he's pulling on his own. personal PTSD and pulling
48:57
Speaker 2: on his personal situations. And it really is that Christian
49:01
Speaker 2: ethos that shines through, through the intercession of his guardian
49:04
Speaker 2: angel to understand that if you're only focused on yourself,
49:11
Speaker 2: if you're only focused on your own needs, your own wants,
49:14
Speaker 2: your own desires, then you're always going to fail. But
49:17
Speaker 2: if you're willing to give that up to God, if
49:19
Speaker 2: you're willing to rely on God, if you're willing to
49:23
Speaker 2: have faith and hope and trust in God, then God
49:26
Speaker 2: will see you through them. And I think I just
49:29
Speaker 2: can't think of any more Christian message than that.
49:31
Speaker 3: That's the story of Christ.
49:32
Speaker 2: That's when when Christ arrives and in the manger and
49:36
Speaker 2: it's the most beautiful thing. But then, of course, knowing
49:39
Speaker 2: and seeing Mary there and realizing that every it's like,
49:42
Speaker 2: you know, as a Christian, we go through the various
49:45
Speaker 2: holidays of the year and we know that Christmas is wonderful.
49:48
Speaker 2: But then eventually on Easter, Mary has to. Well, you know,
49:52
Speaker 2: on Good Friday, Mary has to watch her son be baptized.
49:56
Speaker 2: tortured and crucified, killed in the most unbearable way possible.
50:01
Speaker 2: It's where we get the word excruciate from because it
50:03
Speaker 2: was so terrible. They had to make a whole new
50:05
Speaker 2: word to describe crucifixion and to realize that he did
50:10
Speaker 2: that for all of us. And I just can't think
50:13
Speaker 2: of a movie that really shows those values in such
50:16
Speaker 2: a raw and open way than.
50:18
Speaker 3: It's a Wonderful Life.
50:19
Speaker 1: Such a beautiful way. And it makes it so relevant
50:21
Speaker 1: to today. And I feel like as conservatives and We
50:24
Speaker 1: are told so often that if you in any way
50:28
Speaker 1: criticize the system, the capitalist system that we live in,
50:32
Speaker 1: that somehow you are anti-capitalist, that you're a bad person,
50:36
Speaker 1: that maybe you're a commie. And I don't think that
50:39
Speaker 1: we live in a capitalist system. By the way, did.
50:41
Speaker 2: You know that the movie at the time was accused
50:44
Speaker 2: of that?
50:45
Speaker 1: I did not know that.
50:46
Speaker 3: The movie was accused of that. And believe it or not,
50:49
Speaker 3: and this could.
50:49
Speaker 2: Perhaps be a way that we tie the two strands
50:52
Speaker 2: together of the interview, was... Not only was the movie
50:55
Speaker 2: accused of that, but Frank Capra himself had an investigation
50:59
Speaker 2: opened on him by the FBI.
51:02
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. I'm dead serious. Anyone can go look
51:04
Speaker 3: this up.
51:05
Speaker 2: That Frank Capra was investigated by the FBI for potentially
51:08
Speaker 2: being a communist because he dared criticize a bank.
51:12
Speaker 1: I mean, that's unbelievable. And that doesn't surprise me at all.
51:16
Speaker 1: And it's not anti-capitalist to criticize, I think, usury, to criticize...
51:23
Speaker 1: government corruption and collusion with big banks. I mean, frankly,
51:27
Speaker 1: it's the opposite of a free market.
51:29
Speaker 3: It's centralization. It is centralization of power, centralization of money.
51:33
Speaker 3: It is parasitic. It helps the monopoly class. It helps
51:36
Speaker 3: all of this stuff.
51:38
Speaker 2: There's nothing communist about being anti-centralization of power, whether it
51:41
Speaker 2: happens in government or or whether it happens through some
51:44
Speaker 2: sort of nameless, faceless mega conglomerate. And so, so no,
51:49
Speaker 2: it is not anti, you know, anti-conservative at all. In fact,
51:53
Speaker 2: it is a small C conservative value to want to
51:57
Speaker 2: promote main street, which by the way, it, the whole
52:00
Speaker 2: crux of the novel or the whole, it's originally a
52:02
Speaker 2: novel and then a pamphlet before it turned into a movie,
52:04
Speaker 2: but the whole crux of the story is that George
52:08
Speaker 2: Bailey wants to be able to make people. And this
52:11
Speaker 2: is so beautiful.
52:11
Speaker 3: This is so beautiful.
52:13
Speaker 2: George Bailey helps people to not become dependent through debt.
52:18
Speaker 2: George Bailey wants people to become independently financially stable. So
52:25
Speaker 2: he understands that true freedom can be found through this
52:30
Speaker 2: financial independence. Financial independence doesn't necessarily mean know that you're
52:35
Speaker 2: you're like super wealthy or you're like trump rich or
52:37
Speaker 2: something like that it just means that you've got enough
52:40
Speaker 2: for your family and when you're not in debt you
52:43
Speaker 2: don't have that 800 pound gorilla on your back that's
52:46
Speaker 2: pushing you into this more and more desperate behavior that's
52:50
Speaker 2: what mr potter wants mr potter wants you in debt
52:53
Speaker 2: and this is debt slavery because it forces you to
52:56
Speaker 2: keep working and and suddenly if you're you know oh
52:59
Speaker 2: that's not going so well well here's the bar And
53:02
Speaker 2: if the relationship's not going so well, here's girls, girls,
53:04
Speaker 2: girls at the next bar over. And hey, if you
53:06
Speaker 2: want a way out, there's the casino. And if the
53:10
Speaker 2: casino doesn't work, there's the bridge and we'll fish your
53:12
Speaker 2: body out in the morning.
53:13
Speaker 1: And it's especially relevant today. I mean, if you consider
53:16
Speaker 1: that during COVID, that would mean that was the greatest
53:18
Speaker 1: transfer of wealth, I think, in modern American history, potentially
53:21
Speaker 1: even in world history. And we don't have morality attached
53:23
Speaker 1: to business anymore, especially as it gets more centralized, like
53:26
Speaker 1: you mentioned. We have just completely inhuman business practices. When
53:32
Speaker 1: you get more localized, when people know each other and
53:35
Speaker 1: they're dealing with one another, it becomes much more moral.
53:41
Speaker 1: And the Christian values that our country was founded on
53:44
Speaker 1: and intended to actually live through actually are able to
53:48
Speaker 1: shine through in business and build people up instead of
53:51
Speaker 1: creating these debt slaves. And I think you're 100% correct.
53:55
Speaker 1: It's a perfect movie. For not just Christmas, but for
53:59
Speaker 1: the times that we are living in. And Jack, I
54:01
Speaker 1: want to be conscious of your time. So where can
54:04
Speaker 1: people go to follow you, to buy your book, to
54:08
Speaker 1: listen to you go even deeper on It's a Wonderful Life?
54:11
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
54:12
Speaker 2: And yeah, we're going to be doing that special where
54:14
Speaker 2: we get into all this stuff with, of course, the
54:16
Speaker 2: great Glenn Jacobs, a.k.a.
54:19
Speaker 3: Kane from the World Wrestling Foundation.
54:22
Speaker 2: It turns out he's actually the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee,
54:25
Speaker 2: and he's a huge fan of the movie as well.
54:28
Speaker 2: He knows quite a bit about the Federal Reserve and
54:31
Speaker 2: debt slavery, and we're going to be talking about that
54:33
Speaker 2: very soon on Human Events Daily when we do our
54:36
Speaker 2: special episode, The Truth About It's a Wonderful Life. Of course,
54:40
Speaker 2: the book itself, we've got a bundle, so I have
54:43
Speaker 2: an anti-communist book and bulletproof. We put that together as
54:46
Speaker 2: a bundle. Go to magachristmasbooks.com for the reader in your family,
54:51
Speaker 2: or if you just want one for yourself, you can
54:53
Speaker 2: go to magachristmasbooks.com.
54:55
Speaker 3: You can pick it up there.
54:57
Speaker 1: Amazing, Jack. Thank you so much for being here. For
54:59
Speaker 1: all of you listening, drop a comment. Let me know
55:01
Speaker 1: if you enjoyed this episode, how you feel about me
55:03
Speaker 1: doing collab shows at least a couple times a month.
55:06
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll keep doing this. I really appreciate all of
55:08
Speaker 1: your feedback. Again, Jack, thank you so much for being here.
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Speaker 1: And with that, I will see you all next time.
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Speaker 1: The U.S. Soccer Podcast.
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Speaker 4: I'm your host, Megan Klingenberg, and I am super stoked
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Speaker 4: to be joined by Daryl Dike.
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Speaker 1: Arguably, your most impressive quality cannot be measured.
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Speaker 4: You're a guy who is the definition of grit.
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Speaker 2: Injuries have ended plenty of careers, but instead you decided
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Speaker 2: yours would only be a chapter instead of the ending.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Daryl. Thank you so much. That's
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Speaker 3: a good intro right there.
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Speaker 1: That's good. The U.S. Soccer Podcast. Follow and listen on
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