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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: SHOCKING Crime Scene Photos Tell New Story About Gypsy-Rose Blanchard · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body dogs with Joseph's gotten more. A few years ago,
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Speaker 1: my wife and I we lost our home in a
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Speaker 1: tornado here in Jacksonville. We lost everything. It was I'd
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Speaker 1: never experienced anything like that in my life. Of course,
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Speaker 1: we live in Alabama, and Alabama is known, i think,
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Speaker 1: right in the heart of southern version of Tornado Alley.
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Speaker 1: And the thing about a tornado is you don't really
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Speaker 1: have much of a warning. That's the way it was
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Speaker 1: with us. But there is one meteorological manifestation you do
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Speaker 1: have warnings for, and that's hurricanes. And being from Louisiana
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Speaker 1: and my family being from there, we have over the
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Speaker 1: generations written out a number of hurricanes. But you know,
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Speaker 1: you can kind of see it coming, can't you. You
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Speaker 1: can see it coming from a great distance up to
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Speaker 1: you to get prepared to do what you need to
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Speaker 1: do to take care of you and yours. Today, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to delve into a story that's been talked about
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Speaker 1: quite a bit, and it does have to do with Louisiana,
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Speaker 1: has to do with a hurricane, and it has to
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Speaker 1: do with a mother and daughter who I believe took
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Speaker 1: advantage of the system and gained it. And of course
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Speaker 1: it wound up resulting in one of the most brutal
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Speaker 1: murders in recent memory. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
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Speaker 1: is bodybacks Dave I had. Can you believe that it
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Speaker 1: has been almost nineteen years since Katrina?
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Speaker 2: You know, Joe, nineteen years since Hurricane Katrina. And because
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Speaker 2: the media likes a round number, next year, for probably
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Speaker 2: three months before August and you know, up until the
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Speaker 2: twentieth anniversary of that hurricane, there will be a lot
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Speaker 2: in the media. Not so much this year, but next
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Speaker 2: year there will be. But that hurricane plays a central
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Speaker 2: part in today's episode about the death of D. D. Blanchard.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people when you say de de Blanchard
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Speaker 2: kind of go, I kind of know what you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I remember chubby woman, and it's like if I
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Speaker 2: say Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
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Speaker 1: Now we know D. D.
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Speaker 2: Blanchard was the mother of Gypsy Rose Blanchard. And at
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Speaker 2: this point in time, Joe, when you brought up Hurricane Katrina,
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Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina was what allowed D. D. Blanchard to leave
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Speaker 2: the area where everybody knew her to go because she
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Speaker 2: had to. Hurricane Katrina caused her to flee everybody she knew,
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Speaker 2: and she landed in Missouri, and oh my gosh. Without
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Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina pushing her out and with Gypsy Rose, I
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Speaker 2: don't think the con would have ever gone as far
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Speaker 2: as it did. With what Dede Blanchard did and what
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Speaker 2: her daughter, Gypsy Rose Blanchard eventually did to her. There's
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Speaker 2: so much psychological stuff here, but today we're dealing with
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Speaker 2: the forensics and Joe. When you see somebody like this
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Speaker 2: that they just find a way to take advantage of
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Speaker 2: things that are devastating to others, opportunistic comes to mind.
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Speaker 1: There are opportunists everywhere you look, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: that I could magnify that anymore than turning the spotlight
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Speaker 1: today on Dede Blanchard, the mother Gypsy Rose Blanchard, because
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Speaker 1: you talk about a gamer, you talk about somebody that
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Speaker 1: knows the system, knows how to weasele their way around
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Speaker 1: the system, and that will that will turn anything within
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Speaker 1: her realm into a utility that she can use to
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Speaker 1: not just survive, but literally two enricher at the expense
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Speaker 1: of anybody else. It's arguably, it's arguably one of the
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Speaker 1: most disgusting things in the world, and of course.
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Speaker 2: What's really bad is she's the victim of our story today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she is the victim of the story and in
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Speaker 1: a sense that you know, she's she's a homicide victim,
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Speaker 1: and obviously one of the most talked about cases, you know,
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Speaker 1: within I don't know, the last two decades, three decades,
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Speaker 1: one of them. I mean, we've got a whole pantheon
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Speaker 1: of cases now, but this kind of sticks out. I
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Speaker 1: Mean there's been I wish you and I had a
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Speaker 1: dollar for every every television show that's been done, you know,
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Speaker 1: about these circumstances, articles that have been written, books that
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Speaker 1: have been written, all these sorts of things. But when
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Speaker 1: it comes down to it, you've got the genesis of
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Speaker 1: this twisted tale that starts off Obviously, it starts off
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Speaker 1: when you know, when Dedee gets pregnant with this fellow
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Speaker 1: Blanchard's child and she's you know, she's living down actually
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Speaker 1: on the west side of the city or the metro
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Speaker 1: area of New Orleans, down toward the swamps, that area
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Speaker 1: that people generally associate, you know with, you know, like
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Speaker 1: that show that's on television where they were going out
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Speaker 1: hunting Gate, you know, chewed them, cheat them all that
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Speaker 1: that that area down there, which I have an affinity for.
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Speaker 1: It's quite beautiful if you've never been to the swamps
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Speaker 1: and seen it down there. But you know, that's kind
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Speaker 1: of what she, you know, comes from that environment down there.
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Speaker 1: People are very poor, they don't have a lot, and
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Speaker 1: she found herself pregnant. Now she's I don't know, several
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Speaker 1: years older than the guy that she got pregnant by.
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Speaker 2: They got married before she was pregnant. I did not
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Speaker 2: know that until I was researching this. I assumed since
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Speaker 2: she was twenty four and Rod Blanchard was eight at
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Speaker 2: the time of of Gypsy Rose birth.
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Speaker 1: I seventeen when they got together.
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Speaker 2: He was seventeen when they got together, and they did
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Speaker 2: get married. I that just shocked me. I just assumed
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Speaker 2: he got her pregnant and they got married, or they
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Speaker 2: got you know, any number of things, but not got
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Speaker 2: married and then got pregnant. So do you know where
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Speaker 2: the name Gypsy Rose comes from? There's an actual real reason,
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Speaker 2: and I I assumed it was something else, but it's not.
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Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's kind of disappointing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Rod Rod Blanchard was a big fan of
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Speaker 2: guns and roses. Yeah, that's where the Rose Park came from.
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Speaker 1: I had no I know, and Mom liked the name Gypsy.
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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, now gypsy is like a
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Speaker 1: pejorative term, you know that people, you know, people get
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Speaker 1: in a twist about. I don't know if that population,
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Speaker 1: that segment of the world population actually is offended by it,
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Speaker 1: but there's people out there that are professionally offended by everything.
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Speaker 2: And so you know, she was a term where I
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Speaker 2: was supposed to know, oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, And so she saddled with this name to
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Speaker 1: begin with uh. And that's you know, that's essentially how
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Speaker 1: this child starts her journey. But in life.
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Speaker 2: To back up just a little bit, when we mentioned
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Speaker 2: the story is about the murder and aftermath of Dee
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Speaker 2: Dee Blanchard, when Dede Blanchard and Rod Well, when Deed
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Speaker 2: he married Rod and they had Rod had already decided
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Speaker 2: to leave before Gypsy Rose Blanchard was born. They were
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Speaker 2: no longer cohabitating together. He had left and when, and
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Speaker 2: the reason was real simple Dede you mentioned a minute.
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Speaker 2: It was an opportunist. She was a con woman. She
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Speaker 2: was a con artist. And he realized that fairly early on.
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Speaker 2: This is is not an honest person that I want
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Speaker 2: to be with. So even though she's pregnant, and even
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Speaker 2: though they're married, Rod got away and Dede did what
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Speaker 2: she pretty much she became the victim of social by
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Speaker 2: using her daughter from her infancy, claiming that Gypsy had
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Speaker 2: sleep apnea as an infant that should sleep avena. That
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Speaker 2: was the first trek into the hospital and in a
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Speaker 2: matter of months anything and she wasn't nurses a d. D.
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Speaker 2: Blanchard knew a plenty of different issues medically oriented that
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Speaker 2: she could utilize to make claims that you don't have to, uh,
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Speaker 2: you can't really prove kind of like if you if
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Speaker 2: you if you're kind of a if you're a rich bum,
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Speaker 2: you know you come from a family of wealth, but
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Speaker 2: you don't really have a job or a career. You
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Speaker 2: could claim to be a photographer, you can claim to
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Speaker 2: be a writer. You don't actually have to prove anything
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Speaker 2: to claim those as careers.
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Speaker 1: Filmmaker, Yeah, there you go, there you go.
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Speaker 2: And Dede Blanchard realized there are a number of medical
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Speaker 2: elements maladies that one can say their child has based
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Speaker 2: on symptoms that only you can see and require treatment.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, and let me give you another example to this,
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Speaker 1: this very non specific diagnosis, which by the way, they
9:18
Speaker 1: never could confirm this, this non specific diagnosis of seizure disorder.
9:25
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you know, seizures have there's listen. I
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Speaker 1: could sit here for hours and we could literally talk
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Speaker 1: about all of the variety of seizures that are out there.
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Speaker 1: It's not all epilepsy. There's a variety of things that
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Speaker 1: seizures can arise from. And so you think about this,
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Speaker 1: it's very non specific. You get this kind of sense
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Speaker 1: for this, and write you our day about D. D. Blanchard.
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Speaker 1: She had a peak, if you will, behind the curtain
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Speaker 1: relative to the medical world and the world of medicine
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Speaker 1: and treatment. And I listen, I don't doubt that probably
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Speaker 1: in her work as a nurse's age she had encountered
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Speaker 1: people that were in fact gaming the system. They're everywhere.
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Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, after much planning, she
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Speaker 1: played the medical community and even more broadly, the communities
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Speaker 1: that she landed in like a fiddle. Friends, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that you will. You're scratching your head right now and
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Speaker 1: you're thinking, we'regan, have you lost your mind? Why are
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Speaker 1: you talking about this case? Because it's it's old now,
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Speaker 1: it is an old case. Well, the reason I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about this case today is that, and I've told you
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Speaker 1: about this, Dave my inbox, my email from all of
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Speaker 1: these news outlets, I started getting hit. I guess it
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Speaker 1: was this past Monday because people were losing their minds
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Speaker 1: over the fact that these crime scene photos from the D. D.
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Speaker 1: Blanchard homicide had apparently been kind of, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: reinjected into the public forum, into the conversation. They've been
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Speaker 1: re released, and now they're making the circulation around and
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Speaker 1: so people, you know, I had these folks reaching out
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Speaker 1: to me about the graphic nature of them. They some
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Speaker 1: people even want me to hold forth on the idea
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Speaker 1: of why people want to see these images, and so,
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Speaker 1: you know, it really made me begin to think, well,
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Speaker 1: what's what's the purpose behind all of this? And look,
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Speaker 1: I know that Gypsy Rose, who obviously now is famously
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Speaker 1: out of prison. My god, you know, they they have
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Speaker 1: anointed her, you know, as like she's in the zeitgeist,
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Speaker 1: as they say, she's everywhere. You can't get past her.
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Speaker 1: She's out there, she was with a boyfriend, she thought
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Speaker 1: she was pregnant. Then she's going to get some kind
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Speaker 1: of television show. She's had a nose job, now she's
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Speaker 1: getting married, now she is pregnant, you know, and all
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Speaker 1: of this stuff. And you know, Dedi's I'm going to
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Speaker 1: make a really dangerous comment here right now. Are you
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Speaker 1: ready for this? Hopefully this doesn't collectively end our careers.
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Speaker 1: Dedi's no longer around. She's a homicide victim. So I
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Speaker 1: guess my question is who is it there that is
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Speaker 1: now using Gypsy Rows for their own benefit? Because it's
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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, it's not little old Gypsy
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Speaker 1: Rose that's pushing her out and making her part of
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Speaker 1: the national conversation. Again. This person she has utility for
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Speaker 1: other people, just like she had utility, I submit to you,
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Speaker 1: just like she had utility for DD. And now she's
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Speaker 1: out there and people are drinking this in day in
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Speaker 1: and day out. They can't get enough of it, Dave.
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Speaker 2: So you're suggesting that Gypsy Rose is taking advantage of
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Speaker 2: what she did.
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Speaker 1: Yes. And also I would tell you that people that
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Speaker 1: have a lot of money, a lot of money in
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Speaker 1: media and entertainment also see the opportunity, oh to exploit
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Speaker 1: this situation.
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Speaker 2: I think that two words there, opportunity and exploit. Those
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Speaker 2: are two things that Gypsy Rose learned early. And those
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Speaker 2: are two things that are learned in media and those
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Speaker 2: who take advantage of certain stories and exploit them. And
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Speaker 2: I don't know why people want to look at crime
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Speaker 2: scene photos, but I know this, Joe. We go to
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Speaker 2: movies all the time to see the gore. We see
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Speaker 2: fictionalized gore. And and now over the last power many years,
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Speaker 2: we see more reality.
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Speaker 1: Not me. I only watch I only watch rom comms.
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Speaker 2: Dave, Yeah, and you only read Playboy for the articles.
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Speaker 2: But when you get right down to this, you've got
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Speaker 2: plenty of people that are interested. Because we watched this
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Speaker 2: child that we thought was sick, that had all of
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Speaker 2: these issues and her single mom just struggling to make
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Speaker 2: things work. And we saw the video she was named,
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Speaker 2: you know, queen of this and king of that. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the awards came in from exod.
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Speaker 1: I was fascinating. And you know, I don't think I
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Speaker 1: don't think I remembered that necessarily, because this stuff gets
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Speaker 1: so power on and layered. You forget that every little
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Speaker 1: spot that she kind of inhabited DEDI would use that
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Speaker 1: opportunity to insert this child into these and all the while, Hey,
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Speaker 1: get this, you talk about a lot of activity going
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Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. So as she's outwardly promoting the
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Speaker 1: horror of all of these so called ailments this child had,
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Speaker 1: she's backstage, you know, telling them to do things like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: well she's drooling really bad, let's go ahead and take
15:33
Speaker 1: out her salivary glands. Right. Just let that resonate with
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Speaker 1: you just for a second, if you know. There's a
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Speaker 1: term that she used, and it generally applies to people
15:44
Speaker 1: that work that are former military types that go and
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Speaker 1: hire their self out, and it's called mercenary. Mercenaries have
15:52
Speaker 1: more honor than this. Mercenaries are going out selling their
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Speaker 1: selling their skill set to the highest bidder. She's literally
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Speaker 1: using her daughter as a product.
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Speaker 2: At the end, Tom and Gypsy Rose knew it because
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Speaker 2: while her mother, just to give you a very quick
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Speaker 2: look at this, Gypsy Rose Blanchard was honored as the
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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven Child of the Year by this
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Speaker 2: only foundation that promotes their advocating those who have to
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Speaker 2: use a feeding tube. Now, I don't know that this
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Speaker 2: is a huge deal, Like do people that have a
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Speaker 2: feeding tube get picked on? I don't know. I just
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Speaker 2: know that This group raises money to raise awareness for
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Speaker 2: those who have to have a feeding tube, and Gypsy
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Speaker 2: Rose Blanchard was the Foundation's Child of the Year because
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Speaker 2: she had a feeding tube. This is a girl whose
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Speaker 2: mother lied about her age so that she would be
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Speaker 2: younger and had her use a feeding tube that she
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Speaker 2: didn't need to get her nourishments. Rose Blanchard was on
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Speaker 2: a liquid pedia las yeah Pedia, sure pedia care things
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Speaker 2: you give a child that is sick, you know that
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Speaker 2: they get. She had that totally. She was in her twenties.
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Speaker 2: This is how deep this went. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: when Gypsy Rose Blanchard was told by her mother, you
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Speaker 2: have muscular dystrophy or muscular sclerosis. You have to use
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Speaker 2: a walker because your legs don't work right. And even
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Speaker 2: though the little girl's going, they seem to work fine
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Speaker 2: to me. You know, she's raised on this going. But
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Speaker 2: they could give out on you at any moment. You
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Speaker 2: need to use these, you know. Then she is in
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Speaker 2: This little girl who's so sick, is in a motorcycle
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Speaker 2: accident with her grandfather when she's seven or eight years old.
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Speaker 2: She skins her knee, skins her knee. Her mother takes
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Speaker 2: her to the emergency room because she has all of
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Speaker 2: these other issues. They admit her, you know, to take
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Speaker 2: a look and make sure she's okay. She's there for
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Speaker 2: a skinned knee, Joe, but because of the other issues,
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Speaker 2: they she's checked in. Now, what happens when you leave
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Speaker 2: the hospital? When you're a patient at the hospital and
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Speaker 2: you are leaving, what did they do? They wheel you
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Speaker 2: out in a wheelchair. Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother convinced her
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Speaker 2: after the skinned knee, the doctor gave her a wheelchair
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Speaker 2: because that's what she needs to use. Now, that's when
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Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose ended up in the wheelchair.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and you think about the utility of a wheelchair. Listen,
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Speaker 1: I'll be the first one admitted here. I'm chief among sinners.
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Speaker 1: I stare at people that are in wheelchairs. I can't.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to turn away, you know,
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Speaker 1: because when I see, if I'm in a location, I'll
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Speaker 1: look and see if someone is actually riding about in
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Speaker 1: a wheelchair, I want to know what happened to them,
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Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with it. Don't think for
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Speaker 1: two seconds that Dede did not look at the wheelchair
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Speaker 1: and see that as an outward manifestation or an outward
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Speaker 1: demonstration rather of what was going on with this child.
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Speaker 1: If she'll, if she would go to the links of
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Speaker 1: having a feeding tobe inn as child to have unnecessary
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Speaker 1: surgeries and these wild, wild diagnoses that were being made,
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Speaker 1: which by the way, the line chair of them were
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Speaker 1: made in Louisiana. And this brings us to Katrina. You know,
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Speaker 1: you put forth this supposition that she's been diagnosed with
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Speaker 1: MS and that now because of Katrina, they have to
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Speaker 1: be evacuated where they were living in Slighte l Louisiana,
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Speaker 1: which is just if you follow iten, it's just to
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Speaker 1: the east of New Orleans. You have to cross a
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Speaker 1: part of Lake Pont Training to get there. They were
20:00
Speaker 1: living in public housing there and granted, slide l got hit,
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Speaker 1: they got hammered by Katrina, and they did lose things, okay,
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Speaker 1: And then they were they moved to Covington, Louisiana, which
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Speaker 1: I have a lot of relatives in Covington, and there
20:16
Speaker 1: was a special facility where if you were handicapped in
20:21
Speaker 1: any way you could stay there. And so they move
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Speaker 1: into this and it's it's where this is where the
20:28
Speaker 1: sea got planted by the the the therapist the physician
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Speaker 1: that was actually treating them and said, hey, I'm from
20:37
Speaker 1: the Ozarks. I'm from the Ozarks. Maybe you guys ought
20:41
Speaker 1: to give that area of the country a try.
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Speaker 2: Really, that's where they came from.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it came from someone within that clinic that recommended, yeah,
20:51
Speaker 1: you need.
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Speaker 2: To count I wondered, how how did they why.
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Speaker 1: Of all the all the places in the world that
20:57
Speaker 1: you know, while southwest Missouri, which is a beautiful place
21:00
Speaker 1: and there many times my wife's family is from up
21:02
Speaker 1: in that region and I and you know, it's gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: it's those arcs, and but you know, the one thing
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Speaker 1: that it doesn't have is knowledge. They didn't have knowledge
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Speaker 1: of what had been going on with these two to
21:18
Speaker 1: begin with. So they get to show up and there's
21:22
Speaker 1: you know, it's like now they're going to tap into
21:24
Speaker 1: a completely new vein of gold that they've discovered. They've
21:29
Speaker 1: kind of exhausted everything in South Louisiana at this point.
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Speaker 1: You know, how many how many more crowns can you
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Speaker 1: put on the little girl in the wheelchair, Well, let's
21:38
Speaker 1: go somewhere else where there are more crowns, and the
21:41
Speaker 1: crowns are just merely representative of all of the bounty
21:44
Speaker 1: that's going to be afforded to them in this location.
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Speaker 2: And course is the fact that she truly is a
21:50
Speaker 2: sick little girl with a lot of issues and a
21:53
Speaker 2: mother struggling to take care of her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have to, yeah, we have to go
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Speaker 1: back to Dave. You have to understand as well. And
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Speaker 1: there was, there was all kinds of fraud that went
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Speaker 1: on as a result of Katrina. This is merely and
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Speaker 1: I can't say that this was fraud on her part
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Speaker 1: relative to Katrina. It's an opportunity though the nation is glued.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, the nation is glued
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Speaker 1: to this drama day in and day out, watching people
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Speaker 1: on the roofs of homes. Helo's coming in to try
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Speaker 1: to evacuate people out of there. There's imagery of the dead.
22:32
Speaker 1: And you know, my friends at the Orleans Parish Corner's
22:36
Speaker 1: office down there, they had to relocate, can you imagine,
22:39
Speaker 1: And they couldn't deal with the volume of bodies. They
22:41
Speaker 1: had to you know, they had to have refrigerated trucks
22:44
Speaker 1: where they could transport the bodies to a location once
22:47
Speaker 1: they were recovered, because you didn't know who they were
22:50
Speaker 1: it was. It was madness, absolute madness, and everybody's drinking
22:54
Speaker 1: this in. So if you're up in southwest Missouri, all
23:00
Speaker 1: the way away from South Louisiana, and she shows up
23:04
Speaker 1: and she's got this child in tow by the way
23:07
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair, yep, and they say, you know, more
23:13
Speaker 1: porridge please. You know, they're they're there in this environment
23:19
Speaker 1: where they can they can leverage every bit of this.
23:21
Speaker 1: And these people, oh my god, these these people from
23:23
Speaker 1: South Louisiana, they're you know, they're they've been through Katrina.
23:27
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they've been through the ringer. Let's open
23:30
Speaker 1: our hearts and God bless them. I mean, the people
23:33
Speaker 1: up there just gave and gave till it hurt, and
23:36
Speaker 1: you know, and they saw she saw the advantage in that.
23:40
Speaker 2: And she saw when people had questions because experts in
23:45
Speaker 2: the field know how this plays out, and they know
23:48
Speaker 2: what somebody with these issues looks like, acts like, talks like,
23:52
Speaker 2: sounds like. And yet when questions came up about previous diagnosis,
23:56
Speaker 2: previous help, surgeries, what have you, Yeah, sadly, you know,
24:00
Speaker 2: it was all lost in Katrina. And so you have
24:03
Speaker 2: to trust this woman who has gained the system to
24:08
Speaker 2: tell you what's really going on with her daughter that
24:10
Speaker 2: you see is certainly in bad shape. She's in a wheelchair,
24:14
Speaker 2: her hair is a lot of times her head we shaved.
24:16
Speaker 2: Her mother claimed it was from chemotherapy.
24:18
Speaker 1: Or chemotherapy, yeah, yeah, and this is the term. This
24:22
Speaker 1: is what she had, if I remember correctly, let me see,
24:25
Speaker 1: it was, we're going to go ahead and shave your
24:27
Speaker 1: head because you're going to lose your hair anyways. Best
24:30
Speaker 1: that you go ahead and get used to this, and
24:32
Speaker 1: we're going to slap a wig on you. And you
24:35
Speaker 1: know it's at some point in time, you know that
24:37
Speaker 1: I would imagine that that Gypsy Rose. You know, she's
24:44
Speaker 1: starting to go into her teenage years now, she's you know,
24:48
Speaker 1: like all teenagers, you're going to rebel. She's starting to
24:52
Speaker 1: understand that she's being played, I think, to a great degree.
24:55
Speaker 1: And that creates a perfect storm, if you will, for
24:59
Speaker 1: somebody it's got this little flame that's burning inside of
25:02
Speaker 1: them that doesn't want to be a part of this.
25:03
Speaker 1: I can't look. I can't imagine everything that she went through.
25:08
Speaker 1: I don't know nobody could. I don't think unnecessary surgeries
25:11
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, you know, but there was one
25:13
Speaker 1: physician up there in Springfield that and he was a neurologist,
25:19
Speaker 1: I believe that was taking a look at labs and
25:23
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. And he's thinking, this doesn't marry
25:27
Speaker 1: up with what I have been trained to look for
25:30
Speaker 1: as as a clinician, you know, as far as this
25:34
Speaker 1: manifestation with the MS and all of this. He makes
25:37
Speaker 1: a phone call back to New Orleans where this diagnosis
25:41
Speaker 1: was actually made, and they did a biopsy of muscle
25:46
Speaker 1: tissue on her and there's a manifestation that you can
25:48
Speaker 1: see if you have this condition where it presents at
25:53
Speaker 1: a cellular level and you're looking, you know, in the
25:56
Speaker 1: microscope at this and they said, yeah, we it was
26:01
Speaker 1: We never didn't make that diagnosis. There was no evidence
26:04
Speaker 1: of it there. And so he's thinking, this guy was
26:07
Speaker 1: actually told that you need to tread very carefully here
26:11
Speaker 1: if you're going to call her out, you know, and
26:16
Speaker 1: say that she's lying. Wow, because you know, she had
26:20
Speaker 1: gained everybody to this point. And I think that Gypsy Rose,
26:25
Speaker 1: you know, was certainly aware that she was you know,
26:28
Speaker 1: she she had grand utility, I guess if you will, yeah, yeah,
26:34
Speaker 1: And that's just it. And so when you move forward
26:38
Speaker 1: in this case and you begin to understand that she
26:42
Speaker 1: had in fact run the course. I guess she came
26:49
Speaker 1: to the conclusion that she wanted to be free of this.
26:51
Speaker 1: But how do you do this? How do you do this? When?
26:55
Speaker 1: And I had this vision I can't remember some one
26:59
Speaker 1: of these cars to things that my kids watch, one
27:01
Speaker 1: of these movies where you've got the princess in the
27:03
Speaker 1: tower and there's a dragon garden the tower. You know,
27:07
Speaker 1: how do you get past if you want to save
27:10
Speaker 1: how do you get past the dragon this garden the tower? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
27:14
Speaker 1: that's what it was. And so you know you're thinking
27:16
Speaker 1: about this and you're thinking, you know, how do they
27:18
Speaker 1: get access? You know, how does she escape this? How
27:22
Speaker 1: does she escape it? And that's that's when this Gada
27:25
Speaker 1: John person makes this presentation in her life And I
27:29
Speaker 1: got to tell you, dude, hell followed after, who's going
27:44
Speaker 1: to be the white night here, Who's going to come
27:45
Speaker 1: riding in to save the little girl in the wheelchair
27:49
Speaker 1: that's had her salivary glands surgically removed, who's been told
27:54
Speaker 1: that she's, you know, got cancer, that she's been told
27:59
Speaker 1: that she has these other horrendous diseases. You know, it's
28:02
Speaker 1: smacks of I guess. You know. People throw around the
28:05
Speaker 1: term Munchausen by proxy syndrome, and there's a part to
28:11
Speaker 1: that for me. With Munchausens, it's generally the mother trying
28:14
Speaker 1: to get attention. But it doesn't seem like a pure
28:18
Speaker 1: Munchausens because Munchausen's people are not there to necessarily profit financially.
28:25
Speaker 1: Dedi is a scam artist and she's profiting off of
28:29
Speaker 1: her child's illness. So you can say Munchausen's if you
28:31
Speaker 1: want to, But it's not just about the attention that
28:34
Speaker 1: she's getting. It's about everything that comes along with it, Dave.
28:38
Speaker 2: Her financial survival was based on the illnesses suffered by
28:43
Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose. The daughter. Gypsy Rose was twenty one and
28:50
Speaker 2: playing much younger than her actual biological years, and she
28:57
Speaker 2: was using the Internet. And this is twenty twelve, all right,
29:00
Speaker 2: We're not talking about a time before the internet. We're
29:02
Speaker 2: talking about somebody who is inside their home with access
29:05
Speaker 2: to the Internet and a phone and everything else, and
29:08
Speaker 2: that's where she meets. You mentioned his last name. Go
29:11
Speaker 2: to John Nicholas. Good, Wait a minute, go to John.
29:15
Speaker 2: Right to John, all right, Nicholas Go to John. Gypsy
29:19
Speaker 2: Rose communicates with him online through a Christian singles website,
29:24
Speaker 2: and it's enough. He's from Bend, Wisconsin and she's there
29:30
Speaker 2: outside Springfield, Missouri. As they meet and develop an online relationship,
29:37
Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose is starting to confide in people, in particular
29:40
Speaker 2: a nextdoor neighbor who's a friend of hers kind of
29:44
Speaker 2: talk to her like a sister, and she's talking to
29:49
Speaker 2: this neighbor about eloping with Go to John. That they've
29:52
Speaker 2: communicated at this point where Go to John has you
29:56
Speaker 2: know you mentioned the White Knight who's going to get
29:58
Speaker 2: her away from this overbearing mother. Obviously, Gypsy Rose knows
30:02
Speaker 2: she doesn't have all these maladies that she's pretending to have.
30:05
Speaker 2: She does her squeaky voice. Granted, she doesn't have much
30:08
Speaker 2: education where it is that she probably only completed maybe
30:11
Speaker 2: first grade, maybe not, but she didn't go to school,
30:14
Speaker 2: so her intellect, her education is not there. She talks
30:18
Speaker 2: like a child. She uses the wrong verbs and things,
30:22
Speaker 2: so she sounds like a child who has a lot
30:24
Speaker 2: of issues, but she's really an adult woman who's now
30:27
Speaker 2: in her twenties, so she has adult feelings and everything else.
30:31
Speaker 2: And that's where Nicholas got John comes into play. They're
30:34
Speaker 2: talking online. There are aspects of the flirting that become
30:40
Speaker 2: very sexual, and some see that Gypsy Rose God bless
30:49
Speaker 2: her in terms of her growing up years being taken
30:51
Speaker 2: advantage of by her mother. Some suggest that go to John, Nicholas,
30:55
Speaker 2: Go to John was a sexual predator and he was
30:58
Speaker 2: preying upon Gypsy Rose. I don't know if that's true
31:01
Speaker 2: or not. I don't know. I wasn't there, And to
31:03
Speaker 2: be honest with you, there's so much this story to unpack. Joe.
31:06
Speaker 2: We would need Bethany Marshall and a few other Sykes,
31:09
Speaker 2: you know. But ultimately she and Nicholas come up with
31:15
Speaker 2: a plan to get rid of Dede Blanchard. They can't
31:20
Speaker 2: see any other way. I guess Gypsy Rose feels trapped.
31:24
Speaker 2: So they be on the loping and anything else that
31:27
Speaker 2: she could be drawn back to her mother. And I'm
31:29
Speaker 2: sure Nicholas is there helping along the way because we
31:32
Speaker 2: know what happened. But they decide to kill Dede Blanchard
31:38
Speaker 2: while she's asleep. So Nicholas good or Down travels from
31:42
Speaker 2: Wisconsin to Springfield, Missouri.
31:44
Speaker 1: And us Yeah, by bus, I think she had sent
31:47
Speaker 1: him the money in order to facilitate this. And here's
31:52
Speaker 1: the thing, Dave. So when when they when they had
31:59
Speaker 1: gotten passed, you know kind of the whole online thing
32:03
Speaker 1: where they're getting to know one another and they get
32:05
Speaker 1: off into this kind of sexual deviant kind of thing
32:07
Speaker 1: that's going on in the world of the internet. Sense
32:16
Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose had told him that if he showed up,
32:22
Speaker 1: she would have everything set up for him. Now, he
32:27
Speaker 1: was familiar with the home, obviously he had been there.
32:32
Speaker 1: But here's the thing about it. Timing had to be
32:36
Speaker 1: just right. So people people that say that go to John,
32:42
Speaker 1: who has some pretty serious mental issues to begin with,
32:47
Speaker 1: and has an IQ that is in the low end,
32:51
Speaker 1: all right, I think that he could probably be pretty
32:53
Speaker 1: easily manipulated. She's furnishing everything, I mean everything from duct
33:00
Speaker 1: tape to a knife, all of these sorts of things.
33:02
Speaker 1: But she's also furnishing him with with a timeline and
33:10
Speaker 1: you know, when mom is going to go to bed,
33:14
Speaker 1: it's the best time to do this sort of thing.
33:16
Speaker 1: And this has played out very distinctly. And this brings
33:19
Speaker 1: us back to, you know, our conversation today about the
33:23
Speaker 1: photography here when you see when you know I have
33:31
Speaker 1: seen this myriad of photographs that have come out, this
33:35
Speaker 1: crime scene photography has come out, and it's it's really really,
33:40
Speaker 1: it's very graphic stuff. You know that he had to
33:44
Speaker 1: have an awareness of what was going on, So to
33:47
Speaker 1: say that he did this solely on his own, he
33:49
Speaker 1: may have been the perpetrator as far as it goes
33:54
Speaker 1: to plunging this knife at least seventeen times into Deede's
33:58
Speaker 1: body as she lay there in bed. I don't think
34:03
Speaker 1: that her hand, her hand being Gypsy Rose's hand was
34:06
Speaker 1: not in this. And you know, she's portrayed herself as
34:08
Speaker 1: having gone into the bathroom, sat on the floor, covered
34:12
Speaker 1: her ears so that she didn't have to hear mom
34:14
Speaker 1: screaming and this sort of thing.
34:18
Speaker 2: How much truth there is to that job?
34:20
Speaker 1: You know? I have? And here's here's something And actually,
34:23
Speaker 1: my my wife at KIM had pointed this out to me.
34:28
Speaker 1: He was she was like, was indeed like a kind of.
34:31
Speaker 2: A big, robust, robust woman.
34:33
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and he's he's a pretty tiny, tiny fellow.
34:37
Speaker 1: And so I'm thinking, I'm thinking, well, did he truly
34:41
Speaker 1: pull this off by himself? Did he facilitate this? And
34:45
Speaker 1: I got to tell you that one of the things
34:47
Speaker 1: that really struck me from a forensic standpoint, and that's
34:50
Speaker 1: why photographic documentation is so important in our field, is
34:55
Speaker 1: that there are a couple of places on Dede's bare
34:57
Speaker 1: back because he her skirt, her nightgown was raised up to.
35:03
Speaker 2: Before we get to that job, Yeah, we kind of
35:06
Speaker 2: skipped go to when Gypsy Rose, Blanchard and Dedi go
35:12
Speaker 2: to a doctor's appointment. Nicholas go to John comes into Springfield.
35:17
Speaker 2: Gypsy then it Rose hands him the packet of gloves,
35:21
Speaker 2: duct tape, and knife and wait for her to go
35:24
Speaker 2: to sleep. The timeline they know what time DDI's going
35:27
Speaker 2: to sleep because she's on a regular routine. Once she's
35:31
Speaker 2: in bed asleep, that's when Gypsy Rose claims she goes
35:36
Speaker 2: to the bathroom MC covers her ears while Nicholas goes
35:38
Speaker 2: in and stabs d D Blanchard seventeen times at least
35:42
Speaker 2: while she's asleep. As you mentioned, de D is not
35:46
Speaker 2: a small woman. She is a handful and then some
35:50
Speaker 2: so the idea that unless his first strike, unless his
35:57
Speaker 2: first thrust of the knife somehow made it impossible for
36:04
Speaker 2: her to fight back. Joe, Yeah, I'm not picturing it,
36:07
Speaker 2: and because she does have some extra weight on hers,
36:10
Speaker 2: some extra bulk, I'm not I guessing that first knife
36:13
Speaker 2: is enough to take her out.
36:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it would be. It's certainly, uh,
36:21
Speaker 1: it would be a mammoth undertaking. I think for him
36:25
Speaker 1: to well, well, first off, it'd be dumb luck, I
36:28
Speaker 1: think to right, Yeah, of course she's got She does,
36:34
Speaker 1: in fact have a very nasty injury to the back
36:36
Speaker 1: of her head and some people have are to the
36:38
Speaker 1: back for neck, and some people have characterized this as
36:43
Speaker 1: as almost a decapitation. Well, I've seen this injury and
36:48
Speaker 1: you can see down through the layers of fat uh
36:51
Speaker 1: to the subcu fat in the back of her neck. Dave,
36:54
Speaker 1: this is not a stab wint. This is an incized one. Okay,
36:58
Speaker 1: so the now there might be stabbing that's associated with
37:01
Speaker 1: it within the wound, but the back of her neck
37:05
Speaker 1: is literally opened up and then she's got multiple stab winds.
37:09
Speaker 1: And interesting you know ly enough, the medical examiner Slash
37:14
Speaker 1: Corner that was present at the scene, they have a
37:17
Speaker 1: gloved hand on in the photograph and they're pointing specifically
37:20
Speaker 1: to the insult at the back of the neck. You
37:22
Speaker 1: can see them there you can't see the person. You
37:24
Speaker 1: just see their gloved hand pointing. And that's something that
37:27
Speaker 1: we do at crime scenes, you know, because we're not
37:30
Speaker 1: going to clean it up there. You don't want to
37:33
Speaker 1: do that. You want to have it in pristine condition,
37:38
Speaker 1: untouched in that environment because if you wash well, and
37:42
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this, if you wash
37:44
Speaker 1: or wipe away anything, you're destroying evidence there. You have
37:46
Speaker 1: to be able to contain it. And that's what they
37:49
Speaker 1: were doing. And they're pointing to the number and the
37:51
Speaker 1: clustering of these injuries. But Dave, you know what one
37:54
Speaker 1: thing is really fascinating about this that I saw. I
37:56
Speaker 1: think I saw two of them. There's a transfer bloody
38:01
Speaker 1: handprint on her back, her bare back where you can
38:05
Speaker 1: see that a hand has been placed and it's in
38:09
Speaker 1: and I've seen this happen before. I famously had a
38:12
Speaker 1: a a domestic abuse case many years ago, where this
38:22
Speaker 1: this guy was he would take his belt, he'd get drunk,
38:25
Speaker 1: he'd take his belt off and he would beat his
38:27
Speaker 1: wife with it, and then he drank and well, he
38:31
Speaker 1: passed down on the sofa drunk. He had beaten her
38:33
Speaker 1: with a belt. The belt was still laid on the
38:34
Speaker 1: floor and she got on top of him, and there
38:38
Speaker 1: were bloody handprints all on his back. She broke the
38:41
Speaker 1: knife blade off in his back. Wow, as a steak knife.
38:44
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. But you could actually make out.
38:48
Speaker 1: And I used this to teach my students about trace
38:51
Speaker 1: evidence and transfer evidence and this sort of thing. You
38:53
Speaker 1: can actually see this on her back, but I think.
38:58
Speaker 2: You could see the handprint on d. D. Blanchard.
39:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can clearly, clearly demonstrated.
39:04
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned that DEDE. Blanchard has been stabbed at
39:08
Speaker 2: least seventeen times. She's got the wound to the neck.
39:13
Speaker 2: But was her body then positioned or was what else
39:20
Speaker 2: was going on? Because the entire focus of today is
39:23
Speaker 2: about the photographs that were taken at the scene of
39:25
Speaker 2: the crime, which have now been released, and I do
39:27
Speaker 2: not know what type of value they have other than
39:32
Speaker 2: prurian interest that these photos could possibly have to anyone
39:38
Speaker 2: other than Again, I don't see this as a teachable
39:42
Speaker 2: moment here, but it's not. It's taken.
39:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's teachable in the sense that
39:48
Speaker 1: if you're running a forensic science program or crom scene
39:52
Speaker 1: program somewhere, and they're not the best quality photos that
39:56
Speaker 1: I've ever seen generated from a crim scene. All right,
40:00
Speaker 1: these photos how important? I'll tell you how important it is.
40:04
Speaker 1: It's it's important in the sense of you've frozen that
40:12
Speaker 1: moment in tom You've captured it where let's just say,
40:17
Speaker 1: for instance, and I'd love to talk about forensic photography
40:20
Speaker 1: this way, you're there, your eyes on as an investigator,
40:24
Speaker 1: where you are snapping these photographs to tell a story
40:30
Speaker 1: about what actually happened this case. Let's just say a
40:35
Speaker 1: case like this might go and solve for fifty years. Well,
40:39
Speaker 1: by the time, by the time the case makes any headway,
40:44
Speaker 1: everybody that worked that case is either retired or dead.
40:48
Speaker 1: So all we have to rely on is the photographic documentation,
40:53
Speaker 1: any kind of notes that were taken at that moment
40:56
Speaker 1: time that can take us and transport us back to
40:59
Speaker 1: that moment in time. That's why it's so important when
41:02
Speaker 1: you do crime scene photography that you have frozen those moments.
41:07
Speaker 1: Dave to the point so that and you make it, say, dude,
41:10
Speaker 1: you make it so clear that when these new investigators
41:14
Speaker 1: get their eyes on all of this documentation, you literally
41:18
Speaker 1: transport them back in time day. Just think about how
41:21
Speaker 1: powerful that is. You know. One of the things I
41:24
Speaker 1: think about is like the Hindenburg blowing up, you know
41:28
Speaker 1: that film reel, which is like the first time something
41:31
Speaker 1: like that ever happened, you know, like documenting in real time.
41:35
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and how horrific that was,
41:38
Speaker 1: but you get a sense for that moment in time,
41:40
Speaker 1: you're transported back.
41:42
Speaker 2: Well.
41:42
Speaker 1: With crime scene photography, one of the things that we
41:46
Speaker 1: do is just so that to give people kind of
41:49
Speaker 1: a primer about this. You imagine D. D. Blanchard's body
41:55
Speaker 1: as the center of a clockface, okay, or the center
41:59
Speaker 1: of a compass is actually a better example of this,
42:03
Speaker 1: if possible, I'm going to start off on all four
42:07
Speaker 1: points of the compass, taking what's referred to as macro photographs,
42:12
Speaker 1: that is, in the broadest sense, where I'm going to
42:14
Speaker 1: be extending out to the most distal, western, eastern, northern,
42:20
Speaker 1: and southern perspective of this body. Then I'm going to
42:25
Speaker 1: move in about half that distance and do it again,
42:29
Speaker 1: and then half that distance again and do it again,
42:32
Speaker 1: all the while kind of tightening down that focus. Because
42:37
Speaker 1: if you think of yourself as observing something Let's say
42:40
Speaker 1: you've got damage to your car and you walk out.
42:43
Speaker 1: You don't just look at the damage to your car
42:46
Speaker 1: that's in your driveway and say and walk right up
42:48
Speaker 1: to it and say that's it. You're going to get
42:50
Speaker 1: a wide, broad ranging perspective because your perspective might change,
42:54
Speaker 1: and every view that you have of the scene is
42:57
Speaker 1: going to be lost after that body has gone, maybe
43:00
Speaker 1: long after this little habitat for humanity home is taken
43:07
Speaker 1: down to the ground at sometime in the future. You've
43:09
Speaker 1: frozen that moment in time. And so when you get
43:13
Speaker 1: down to the nuts and bolts, when you get into
43:16
Speaker 1: the microphotography here and I say micro, I'm using that
43:19
Speaker 1: very very loosely. It's not like we're using a microscope.
43:23
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about macro, broad, micro small. And you
43:27
Speaker 1: begin to look at those little details. That's why I
43:30
Speaker 1: wanted to point out the handprint to you, or the
43:32
Speaker 1: nature of the stab Wounes. You know, I can see
43:35
Speaker 1: that stab wound at the scene, even though it's crusted
43:37
Speaker 1: in blood. I can appreciate the scene that this is
43:42
Speaker 1: a single edged weapon. Okay, well, if I can delineate that,
43:46
Speaker 1: I know that I'm not looking for a dagger. I
43:49
Speaker 1: know that I'm looking for a blade, for a knife,
43:53
Speaker 1: for a sharp instrument that only has a single edge
43:55
Speaker 1: to it, so that that kind of narrows things down
43:59
Speaker 1: at that point in time, and any of the other
44:01
Speaker 1: associated you can tell, yeah, yeah, pretty clearly. You see
44:07
Speaker 1: it better in the morgue once it's cleaned up. But
44:10
Speaker 1: for our purposes, there might be that moment in time
44:13
Speaker 1: where you're standing there with a detective and if you're
44:16
Speaker 1: doing the examination, you say, look at this, and you
44:19
Speaker 1: see that it is single edged and a single edge.
44:22
Speaker 1: I always tell people a knife wound looks like a
44:26
Speaker 1: winking eye, and it kind of does it if you
44:29
Speaker 1: imagine the outer portion of the eye is where the
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Speaker 1: actual blade is. The inner portion of the eye is
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Speaker 1: kind of the blunted backstrap of the knife itself. And
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Speaker 1: so you're looking at this and then you can get
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Speaker 1: an idea Dave also in the orientation of how the
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Speaker 1: weapon was held. Now, I'm not saying people always ask me,
44:53
Speaker 1: can you tell the individual's left handed right handed? That's
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Speaker 1: very difficult to do. There are people out there that
44:58
Speaker 1: say that they claim they can do that. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that there are. It's not something I would want to try,
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Speaker 1: but I can tell you the orientation of the knife.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that they were holding it so
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Speaker 1: that the blade, the sharp edge was was oriented to
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Speaker 1: the left or to the right. And if it's oriented
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Speaker 1: to the left and the right, because you're talking about
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Speaker 1: seventeen injuries, you have to the idea is that they
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Speaker 1: changed their position relative to the attack. They maybe changed hands,
45:30
Speaker 1: went to the offhand, and they got tired. Stabbing somebody
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Speaker 1: is something that is physically taxing to undertake, and so
45:41
Speaker 1: you're documenting that all along. I guess the question that
45:45
Speaker 1: I would ask is what's the public's need to see this?
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Speaker 2: Right? That's my whole point, Joe. When Yoused told me
45:54
Speaker 2: these pictures were going to we're getting out there, I
45:56
Speaker 2: thought they were like pictures that had been edited, things
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Speaker 2: have been blocked out, and we're talking about real crime
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Speaker 2: scene photos that have made their way into the public
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Speaker 2: on purpose.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, Yeah, they've been released on very broadly. I mean
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Speaker 1: they're worldwide now. I mean they're on a Google drive
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Speaker 1: that somebody just kind of released, and it's my understanding
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Speaker 1: they have been released before. But again we go back
46:23
Speaker 1: to this idea. Doesn't this come full circle. Yeah, we
46:29
Speaker 1: go back to this idea that it's all a show.
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Speaker 1: It's all a show, Dave, because now we're super saturated
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Speaker 1: in the media with Gypsy Rose Blanchard. We're following her life,
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Speaker 1: we're seeing everything that's gone on. And let me throw
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Speaker 1: this out to you as kind of the cherry on
46:57
Speaker 1: top of the Sunday. Only do we get to see
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Speaker 1: Gypsy with her plastic surgery on her nose. Not only
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Speaker 1: do we hear about her breakup with her boyfriend, not
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Speaker 1: only do we hear she's getting married, not only do
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Speaker 1: we hear that she's pregnant. But to round it all off,
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Speaker 1: let's show the images of her slaughtered mother. Regardless of
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Speaker 1: how you might feel about Dede Blanchard, ask yourself, this,
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Speaker 1: what's the purpose. I know it has nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with forensics. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks