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THIS WEEK IN AI: Viral Doomer Tweet, Apple's New Releases, AI is Solving Math · In the Loop AI

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Ejaaz: This week, one of the top AI researchers in the world responsible for building
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Ejaaz: OpenAI's ChatGPT and Anthropics Claude models announced that humanity has about
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Ejaaz: a 10% chance that we are going to die over the next decade due to AI.
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Ejaaz: Now, one of these posts went so viral that it got over 150 million views,
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Ejaaz: which is the most viewed post on X in forever. And it was shared across every
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Ejaaz: major media publication.
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Ejaaz: Now, the question becomes, if AI is so fatal to humanity, why on earth do we
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Ejaaz: keep building the things? Open
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Ejaaz: AI and Anthropic are in a race to build artificial general intelligence.
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Ejaaz: But if it certifies that humanity is going to die, should we be building the
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Ejaaz: thing? We're going to be unpacking all of this and a lot more.
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Ejaaz: Now, the weirdest part about this bit of news is it comes paired with breakthrough
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Ejaaz: research where the model that is supposedly meant to kill you is also solving
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Ejaaz: the world's hardest mathematical problems, which have existed for 200 plus years.
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Ejaaz: And in the third topic, which it's Josh's most exciting topic,
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Ejaaz: if I had to guess, Apple announced a suite of new hardware devices,
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Ejaaz: which includes the iPhone Duo, a new foldable iPhone, which he may or may not
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Ejaaz: be buying. We don't know yet.
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Josh: We have so much to talk about with Apple. I cannot you better stick around for
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Josh: this because I've been waiting for my Apple moment for so long.
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Josh: But before we get to Apple, we can start with the Doomer take.
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Josh: This breaks my heart that it has 150 million views because all people want to
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Josh: talk about is how the world's going to end.
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Josh: And it's like there are these two opinions that are juxtaposed against each other that are...
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Josh: Similar in their belief, but like contrasting in people's public opinions of
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Josh: them in the sense that we have been talking about reaching the singularity for
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Josh: a very long time. We have been talking about all the sci-fi futuristic versions
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Josh: of reality in which we are heading to.
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Josh: In fact, a lot of companies are claiming, OpenAI included, that like,
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Josh: hey, we've reached AGI. We are like here.
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Josh: And this is not a new or novel thing that we haven't been working towards.
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Josh: The concept of AGI has been around for a very long time.
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Josh: The concept of the singularity has been around for far longer.
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Josh: And we've kind of thought out all the implications of what that looks like through
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Josh: the sci-fi books, through the movies you watch, through the TV shows.
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Josh: And for some reason now, someone coming from within the labs is saying it out
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Josh: loud and people are kind of freaking out.
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Josh: And it seems to me, and we could talk about this a little bit,
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Josh: we could put our tinfoil hats on, that there is some sort of coordinated effort
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Josh: to push this message forward.
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Josh: I mean, one of the things that we should know with this account,
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Josh: Jacob Coxon, it is a young account with only one post on it.
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Josh: And the only post is this one tweet. And when I saw it, the account did not
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Josh: have many followers. Now it has a quarter of a million followers that's gained overnight.
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Josh: It is viewed by 150 million people and close to.
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Josh: And 750,000 likes. I've never seen this type of activity by a single post in my life.
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Josh: And we've spent a lot of time on the X platform. So it's interesting to see
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Josh: how it's been picked up. And what was interesting is a lot of people were doing
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Josh: kind of diligence on the dynamics of this post, where it got picked up, how it got picked up.
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Josh: And a lot of the earlier amplification came from within the Doomer groups,
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Josh: people who have been kind of pushing the scared narrative.
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Josh: Narrative and it's also written very well too it's like this is written ejaz
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Josh: you and i like we spend a lot of time trying to optimize posts like how do we
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Josh: get people to care how do we get people interested
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Josh: this is like a hot post this is written like a writer like this is this is someone
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Josh: who's trained at the art of x not someone who's just like ripping something
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Josh: off the side for the first time so it's an interesting thread i mean we can
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Josh: also talk about the thread but i find the kind of tinfoil hat conspiracies to be interesting as well.
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Ejaaz: So the theme here is ai is going to kill us all. And you're right that this
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Ejaaz: is a narrative that has been talked about for a while.
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Ejaaz: But the question is, why is it important now? So before I put my tinfoil hat
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Ejaaz: on, let's talk about like what he actually describes.
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Ejaaz: He basically says, listen, the researchers both at Anthropic and OpenAI have
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Ejaaz: been incredibly reckless when it comes to aligning the model.
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Ejaaz: Now, if we just take that statement for what it is and look at the existing
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Ejaaz: evidence that proves that, you don't have to look too far.
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Ejaaz: Look at the OpenAI Hugging Faces incident, which we've covered one,
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Ejaaz: two, maybe even three times on the show in the last two weeks because there's
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Ejaaz: a lot of episodes. We have a lot of episodes on this because there's new secretive
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Ejaaz: information which keeps getting revealed.
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Ejaaz: The point is, that AI model was meant to be internally tested,
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Ejaaz: but it decided to break out and hack a bunch of software suites against humans' intentions. So this
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Ejaaz: Technically be classified as a misaligned AI. So the question then becomes,
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Ejaaz: You know, what are these two labs?
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Ejaaz: And let's be real here, there's only two major labs that are building the frontier
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Ejaaz: models doing about this. And the answer, unfortunately, is not very much.
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Ejaaz: He goes, I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing
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Ejaaz: pre-training research at both OpenAI and Anthropic.
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Ejaaz: Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self improving
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Ejaaz: superintelligence and gambling with our lives.
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Ejaaz: He then goes on to kind of post a very extensive thread, giving examples of
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Ejaaz: what the researchers are doing and why they're just not very incentivized to
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Ejaaz: kind of build a more aligned model. And the thesis can be broken down to this.
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Ejaaz: OpenAI believes it needs to build AGI, an AGI-like model, so that they can be
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Ejaaz: the moral arbiters of this model. They're not going to kill anyone with this model.
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Ejaaz: Anthropic is doing the same thing because they don't believe that OpenAI is
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Ejaaz: going to do the same thing.
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Ejaaz: So they're racing to build the thing that could potentially kill us all under
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Ejaaz: the precedence that they're going to be the morally ethical people that are
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Ejaaz: going to keep everyone safe.
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Ejaaz: Now, if you ask for my personal opinion, I don't think a world where two model
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Ejaaz: providers kind of like trusting everyone to say like, hey, we're going to build
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Ejaaz: the safest model is the way to go forward.
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Ejaaz: I think we have to have a world where we have hundreds of models.
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Ejaaz: And thankfully, that is the world that I think we're heading towards.
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Ejaaz: But the question is, okay, why did this post in particular gain so much virality?
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Ejaaz: Well, it was reposted by other legitimate AI researchers. Now,
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Ejaaz: listen, if this was reposted and commented on by any Joe Schmo,
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Ejaaz: I wouldn't really be talking about this on this show today.
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Ejaaz: I was scrolling through my timeline over the last couple of days,
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Ejaaz: and the people that are in the labs building these models have these opinions.
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Ejaaz: And it's not just Anthropic about Anthropic. It's not just OpenAI about OpenAI.
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Ejaaz: They're cross-pollinating. They're commenting on each other's posts saying,
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Ejaaz: yeah, honestly, this is what we're seeing in the labs as well.
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Ejaaz: I see other frontier researchers from other labs that aren't Anthropic in OpenAI
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Ejaaz: also commenting, saying, yep, we see the same thing. We believe that these AI models can kill us.
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Ejaaz: So this is from the head of alignment at Anthropic. He goes,
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Ejaaz: Jacob is correct here. We really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans.
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Ejaaz: I personally think it is greater than 10% within the next decade.
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Ejaaz: And there are a slew of other posts that basically confirm this.
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Ejaaz: Now, the tinfoil hat conspiracy is within the first 20 minutes of this post
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Ejaaz: going live, Josh, and remember, this is the first post that this account ever made.
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Ejaaz: It got reposted by three individuals that are very closely associated to a Duma-esque
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Ejaaz: publicly funded corporation.
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Ejaaz: Now, it goes down a whole rabbit hole around it being around the Skype co-founder.
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Ejaaz: But the idea is this is a campaign pushed by certain political parties to strike
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Ejaaz: fear in everyone ahead of a campaign election.
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Josh: It comes as a surprise to me that everyone is taking this as a surprise when
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Josh: the idea of alignment has been at the core of so many of these companies for
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Josh: so long. Like Ilya literally left OpenAI to start a company named safe superintelligence.
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Josh: This has been implied for a long time that what we're building is incredibly powerful.
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Josh: There's a lot of implications from it. It can go wrong, but we have really bright
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Josh: people who are working to do it in a way that is safe and responsible.
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Josh: And it's interesting to see the public outcry from this thing that seems like
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Josh: not new information. It's like we've been dealing with this for a very long time.
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Josh: Like I said, all these labs have built their entire ethos of the company around
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Josh: aligning these so that when we reach recursive self-improvement,
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Josh: the models are able to look out for humans and we are very much staying in control.
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Josh: So I don't know. Interesting story it's um it definitely blew up bigger than
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Josh: i think anyone or some people wanted some people who don't but it just it doesn't
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Josh: it doesn't help the narrative of trying to get the public to understand what's happening
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Josh: in the world of ai how they can benefit how things can actually be far improved
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Josh: there is the small subset that of course the small subset gets all the amplification
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Josh: um but as we talk about all the time it's not this is a small chance and people
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Josh: are working Not to mention.
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Ejaaz: That the stat for like humanity dying via AI was, you mentioned this before
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Ejaaz: we started recording, much larger a year ago, right?
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Ejaaz: And so if the trend of this statistic keeps going down, then conceivably we
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Ejaaz: should be safe in like a year or so, right?
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Josh: Yeah, I mean, that's what everyone's working towards. That's what every smart
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Josh: person on earth in AI, well, I mean, not everyone, but you know,
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Josh: that's what we hope a lot of people are working towards is a safe version of
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Josh: this. That is the intention behind all these labs, putting all these resources behind alignment.
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Josh: That's the intention behind hugging face and the lab slowing things down everyone's
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Josh: working towards figuring this out so i think that's kind of where
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Josh: where it is now is like all right this isn't new information people are kind
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Josh: of freaking out now it'll go away but we just hope that generally all these
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Josh: people are kind of converging on the same conclusions which is like we have
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Josh: to build something safe we have to build something that is going to help humanity
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Josh: to the extent that it can and
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Josh: limit the downside risk to the extent that we can and yeah i think that's what they're working Okay.
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Ejaaz: Let's move on to our second topic. Apple.
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Josh: Oh my God. Okay, I've been waiting so long for this. Can we, can we, so...
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Josh: Just give me a second here. Apple came on stage, John Ternus,
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Josh: I should say, not Tim Cook. Tim Cook had a really elegant sign off. It was part of the intro.
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Josh: It was really sweet, kind of handing it over to John Ternus.
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Josh: He points at him and he goes, that guy, that's your opener. And it was a really
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Josh: sweet send off from Tim Cook.
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Josh: And John Ternus takes the stage to then unveil a suite of, I believe,
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Josh: five products. And maybe we can go through one by one because the iPhone duo
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Josh: is the most exciting, but we can't start there because they ended there.
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Josh: We'll end there. The first one, 18 Pro.
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Josh: The only thing I have to say about the 18 Pro is that it's black now. Thank God.
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Josh: We've been dealing with blue phones for so long the black is amazing it uses
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Josh: something interesting each as the two nanometer architecture which we know is
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Josh: very impressive because a lot of the gpu manufacturers are trying to do this
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Josh: so hearing about a new chip is very exciting first consumer device i believe with two nanometers.
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Josh: Really good phone they spent a lot of time what i found interesting was talking
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Josh: about the ai implications of the phone um before they even spoke about the hardware
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Josh: all they could talk about was apple intelligence this apple intelligence that
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Josh: it was basically a abbreviated version of WWDC
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Josh: in the sense that we are actually going to get a smarter Siri starting Monday.
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Josh: If you are watching this, when you come back from the weekend on Monday,
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Josh: your phone will be updated with the new Siri.
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Josh: Of course, these phones are optimized to run Siri better than anyone else,
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Josh: but the phones that you have in your pocket right now will be able to use the
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Josh: new and intelligent Siri. And I think that's pretty cool.
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Josh: Next, and this is where I want your opinion, EJS2, is the Apple Watch.
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Josh: Because the Apple Watch was a sleeper pick. I think a lot of people looked past
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Josh: it. A lot of people looked at it and they said, well, Whoop is dead because
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Josh: Apple released a new version of the health app that,
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Josh: takes your heart readings every five seconds, I believe. And it tracks all of
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Josh: your metrics more accurately than any other wearable on the market.
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Josh: So much so that it's almost comparable to a chest strap, which is the gold standard.
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Josh: I think the technology in it is very impressive. And if you are someone who
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Josh: tracks your health data a lot, this is the device to buy. This is actually a
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Josh: really meaningful technology upgrade with the software suite attached,
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Josh: where when you wake up in the morning, you have your readiness score,
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Josh: you see your sleep. It's a really good.
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Josh: Demo that they offered that was kind of overlooked where the apple watch listens to you,
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Josh: and it listens perpetually always it's opt-in i should say but it's always listening
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Josh: to what you're speaking to and if you have a conversation and you misheard the
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Josh: person or you want to recall it
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Josh: you can go to your watch and you can recall the conversation and it will also
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Josh: ambiently record everything throughout the course of the day if you want and
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Josh: then summarize that into,
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Josh: these summaries and give you key parts of your day and it's it feels like the
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Josh: first form of passive ai intelligence collection.
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Josh: And I think it's kind of flying under the radar right now. But I'm curious to
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Josh: hear if you have any thoughts on what, like Apple Watch is sneaky,
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Josh: dude. Apple Watch is the sneaky like Trojan horse to their next iteration of hardware.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, so I saw that they ran a thousand plus person study, basically checking
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Ejaaz: what wearables people prefer.
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Ejaaz: And they ranged everything from like a chest strap to competitors like the Whoop,
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Ejaaz: and then people using the Apple Watch. And they found that the Apple Watch is
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Ejaaz: not only the most accurate sensor, but it's the most versatile.
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Ejaaz: It basically can track your heart rate better than anything.
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Ejaaz: And it kind of like has this kind of collective health sensory database,
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Ejaaz: which is way more powerful than like a Whoop on its own or a Fitbit on its own.
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Ejaaz: So I think the Apple Watch itself has kind of become, it's interesting you describe
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Ejaaz: it like a surveillance device.
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Ejaaz: John Turdus, when he came on stage, one of the first things he said was we're
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Ejaaz: introducing you to the new version of a personal device and he mentioned the
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Ejaaz: word agentic a bunch of different times so it was quite clear for me from the start of the event
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Ejaaz: Apple wants to create this kind of suite of devices that feed into whatever
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Ejaaz: this AI future looks like. And we've said it a bunch of times on this show before.
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Ejaaz: We believe that a suite of devices that can kind of like harness what you see, what you hear,
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Ejaaz: What you interact with, the things that you say, can have more context on you,
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Ejaaz: can then feed into a personal kind of AI device or personal AI assistant and
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Ejaaz: give you a better AI experience overall.
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Ejaaz: And I think that was the whole kind of like shoehorn for this entire event.
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Ejaaz: One of my favorite announcements, and I know it might not be yours,
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Ejaaz: Josh, but was the iPhone Duo. But it wasn't for the reason of like,
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Ejaaz: it's this over expensive foldable phone.
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Ejaaz: It's because it's this new form factor where you can do a number of different
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Ejaaz: things with Siri AI. Now, I've said this for, God, this is super embarrassing,
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Ejaaz: for over a year and a half now that I couldn't wait for Siri AI to come out.
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Ejaaz: It's officially running out on Monday.
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Ejaaz: And Siri AI, of course, is Apple's version of their own personal AI assistant.
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Ejaaz: It should function similar to ChatGPT or Gemini or Claude, but it's functioned
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Ejaaz: specifically on your iPhone.
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Ejaaz: And the coolest part about this is that it's able to interact with over 300,000 app intents.
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Ejaaz: So 300,000 third-party apps can get involved with this AI. And that automatically
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Ejaaz: makes an AI agent way more useful. Because think about OpenAI and ChatGPT,
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Ejaaz: You can kind of like talk about it or talk to it in a chatbot format,
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Ejaaz: but it can't really do many things for you.
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Ejaaz: Now, if you had Siri AI embedded in your entire Apple ecosystem,
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Ejaaz: software ecosystem, it can start doing a lot more for you. It can start sending
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Ejaaz: texts for you, sorting out your calendars. It can start, you know,
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Ejaaz: working different apps in many different ways. So I'm excited about that.
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Ejaaz: But with the iPhone Duo, the way that it kind of like splits up means that you
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Ejaaz: can have this cool split screen.
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Ejaaz: I don't know if you saw this on the demo, Josh, but you could pull up an app
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Ejaaz: on the left-hand side of the screen and then you could have Siri AI on the right
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Ejaaz: and it's seeing anything and everything that you do and you can talk to it.
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Ejaaz: And it just seems like this weirdly futuristic type of device.
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Ejaaz: The transitions are super cool.
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Ejaaz: And it got me thinking about, okay, well, if this was used in conjunction with
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Ejaaz: an Apple Watch, in conjunction with a new pair of AirPods which can see things,
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Ejaaz: which is rumored to be Apple's new device that they're going to hopefully announce
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Ejaaz: and launch in the near future.
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Ejaaz: This could end up being the most competitive ecosystem for AI.
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Ejaaz: Forget about what OpenAI is trying to build. Forget about what Anthropic might
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Ejaaz: be trying to build from a personal gadget device. Apple is the consumer device provider.
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Ejaaz: And it just gets me excited for that future,
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Josh: Essentially. What I loved about this event is it shook things up for the first
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Josh: time in a very long time. in the sense that this is the first time we have a
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Josh: new form factor for an iPhone. And we'll get into the Duo. The Duo is unbelievably impressive.
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Josh: But it is also the first time where they are kind of signaling their intention
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Josh: to go beyond the iPhone. And that is with the Apple Watch.
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Josh: We talked about that passive monitoring of the audio and recording.
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Josh: It's important to note that it's all private, local, on device,
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Josh: and not stored anywhere. And I think that's a really important distinction as
15:48
Josh: we talk about our next topic, which is Navier Stokes and how some information is getting stolen.
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Josh: But what's interesting is it's very clear that the new paradigm of mobile device
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Josh: is through voice, is through context, is through AI. We talk about OpenAI who's building this device.
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Josh: We've mentioned it a thousand times, but for the first time,
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Josh: Apple has released a very early version of that.
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Josh: Apple has released a device that listens to you, collects context,
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Josh: and then acts on your behalf using artificial intelligence.
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Josh: And the watch is the Trojan horse to start collecting information,
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Josh: to start getting you comfortable with the idea that something is listening before
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Josh: these next suite of devices rolls out, like the hardware that's going to sit
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Josh: on your countertop that's going to be listening, or
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Josh: the hardware that's possibly going to be sitting on your eyes and your face
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Josh: through the wearable. And I think that's a really important
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Josh: note is that like this is the new beginning they have released a new form factor
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Josh: for the iphone it's starting to cannibalize the actual slab they've released
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Josh: this new passive audio device that can listen and think and use intelligence.
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Josh: But we do have to talk about the fold because i want to talk about the fold
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Josh: i think i'm going to go out on a limb here and say this is the second most impressive
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Josh: device apple has released in the last decade maybe the first being the vision
16:46
Josh: pro the second being the iphone duo this thing is a
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Josh: beast of a phone it is thinner than the iphone air if you've never touched an
16:53
Josh: iphone air i highly recommend going to the store and feeling it it feels like paper.
16:57
Josh: This is about a quarter millimeter thinner than that.
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Josh: And that is one of its two screens. What I also love about this phone is it's
17:04
Josh: funny because like we knew what the phone was going to look like beforehand.
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Josh: Everyone saw the leaks. Everyone knew this was what the phone's going to look like.
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Josh: And yet still, I was shocked and delighted at how pleasant the experience is.
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Josh: And it's mostly due to software.
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Josh: Apple has the best human design team in the world. And it becomes obvious when
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Josh: you open it and you start with the transition. As you mentioned,
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Josh: like the transition when you take this thing and you open it is just.
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Ejaaz: Glorious this thing is way too sexy it's so satisfying
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Josh: Yeah it has like you could think of it kind of similarly to a passport but a
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Josh: smaller passport in fact i went to best buy the other day to try out the
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Josh: the galaxy z fold because it's a very similar form factor it feels good man
17:42
Josh: it's like a good device it's a good form factor what i love is there's two batteries
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Josh: the battery is split between both halves it has a matte screen on the inside, which I love.
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Josh: And one of the cool things about the inside screen actually is when these companies
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Josh: are manufacturing foldable devices, the display has to bend.
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Josh: And that bending creates creases, the bending...
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Josh: Means that oftentimes it's kind of a plastic polymer which is uneven so if you
18:04
Josh: look at a lot of foldable phones the actual screen will be kind of uneven and
18:08
Josh: have ridges and what they've managed to do with the production process is spray
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Josh: this like proprietary thing on top of it to smooth out those ridges and to do
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Josh: so in a way that gives it a nanotexture matte finish similar to what you get
18:19
Josh: on the high-end apple displays on your macbook or your studio display i haven't
18:23
Josh: touched it i'm dying to touch it but it looks like this really elegant phone
18:27
Josh: and in terms of the average consumer who wants an ipad mini plus an iphone in one
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Josh: this is a home run the interface was surprising and delightful when you look
18:36
Josh: at the way that they're figuring out how to actually navigate through the ios
18:39
Josh: a lot of the context is on the right side right by your thumb right where you hold it
18:42
Josh: bad year to be a lefty but if you are ready like that's gonna work out pretty
18:46
Josh: good for you and overall this phone was
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Josh: amazing the sad part is that you have to wait i think five weeks to pre-order
18:52
Josh: it so you don't start till the end of october i'm afraid delivery starts the
18:56
Josh: week after that about i think the 23rd so you have a good bit of time until
18:59
Josh: you need to make a decision on this
19:01
Josh: but it is a remarkable device they figured out finally the hole punch camera
19:05
Josh: sitting behind the display in the foldable and then they have all these really
19:08
Josh: cool features for the half open version you could use as an alarm clock you
19:12
Josh: could use a selfie camera it has a viewfinder if you like to vlog
19:16
Josh: and you can point the 48 megapixel camera at you while still seeing the live view
19:20
Josh: it's an amazing camera for creators it's an amazing camera.
19:23
Josh: Or amazing device just for users in general. And I could not be happier that
19:26
Josh: they released this and did such a good job. John Ternus, 1-0,
19:29
Josh: undefeated, home run of an event.
19:31
Ejaaz: I just want to nerd out about a few things here. So you mentioned the inner
19:35
Ejaaz: layer, right? The inner screen, which has this like kind of like polymer layer
19:38
Ejaaz: so that you don't really see the hinge. Beautiful, right?
19:41
Ejaaz: So it uses this thing called like, I think it's kind of like nanotexture or
19:44
Ejaaz: something like that. I don't know the formal name,
19:47
Josh: But it basically etched the glass actually. So it refracts light in distorting ways.
19:51
Ejaaz: So I saw a million different angles of this, right? Of people were kind of like
19:55
Ejaaz: using it at the event, Josh.
19:57
Ejaaz: And it looks like I'm reading a book or like I'm looking at paper.
20:01
Ejaaz: It's kind of like Kindle-esque, but like it's an HDTV at the same time.
20:06
Ejaaz: So I really like the attention to detail that they have there.
20:09
Ejaaz: And of course, like I don't want to see the hinge, but I'm glad that it exists.
20:13
Ejaaz: Now that polymer is apparently, according to Apple, 40% stronger than any other
20:16
Ejaaz: polymer that's available on the market. And in classic Apple style,
20:19
Ejaaz: they would spend that much money to get a 40% stronger polymer so that you don't see the hinge.
20:24
Ejaaz: Can we take a moment to talk about the actual hinge on its own?
20:28
Ejaaz: This hinge is a hundred different components. Just want to repeat that.
20:34
Ejaaz: It is 100 different components. I want to restart this image,
20:38
Ejaaz: sorry, this video, because you need to see this.
20:40
Ejaaz: A hundred different components went into this hinge so that it has the smoothness
20:44
Ejaaz: and flexibility that you've seen in the demo so far. So the amount of engineering
20:49
Ejaaz: is bar none the best from Apple on its own.
20:52
Ejaaz: Now, when it comes to kind of like the form factor itself, Josh,
20:56
Ejaaz: you know this, right? Before they officially announced this product,
21:00
Ejaaz: I was bearish about this thing. And I did not know whether I would want to buy
21:03
Ejaaz: it. It just seemed like Apple was kind of like reaching.
21:06
Ejaaz: You know, if you look at in the Chinese market, they've had foldable phones for a while, I believe.
21:10
Ejaaz: Huawei has like the market dominance for goodness knows how long Huawei and
21:14
Ejaaz: Samsung. So I was like, okay, this is just Apple running out of ideas.
21:17
Ejaaz: But the way that Ternus pitched it really made it seem like it was going to
21:22
Ejaaz: be an AI agent forward type of device, but they're not going to force it down
21:27
Ejaaz: your throats. It's meant to be intuitive.
21:29
Ejaaz: It's meant to kind of like increase screen time, but also in a very productive manner.
21:34
Ejaaz: You know, you can have two apps of the same version kind of like side by side,
21:37
Ejaaz: or you can have another app and kind of be like super, like way more productive.
21:40
Ejaaz: So I like that side of things.
21:42
Ejaaz: I really don't like the price point. So the cheapest version of this is $2,000.
21:49
Ejaaz: Now, $2,000 can get you a bleeding-edge MacBook Pro, right? Souped up.
21:55
Ejaaz: So they're really trying to push us into this kind of like intermediary market
22:00
Ejaaz: where you don't really want a mobile phone, but you also don't really want the
22:04
Ejaaz: laptop, but you want something that is as or if not more powerful that you spend most of your time on.
22:09
Ejaaz: Maybe it's going to be the iPhone Duo. That price tag is huge.
22:13
Ejaaz: And I don't know whether that I want to fork out that amount,
22:15
Ejaaz: like for a phone versus a laptop,
22:19
Ejaaz: I do spend a lot of time on this phone and I've had this phone for like way
22:22
Ejaaz: too long. So I might have to go out and like buy the new thing.
22:25
Ejaaz: And then the other thing I'll just say in terms of like things that I'm going
22:27
Ejaaz: to buy from this Apple event, did you see the AirPods announcement? The AirPods 5?
22:33
Ejaaz: Dude, $129.
22:36
Ejaaz: It might be the cheapest Apple device. Maybe I've spent too much time in the Apple ecosystem ever.
22:40
Ejaaz: But the reason why that excited me is they're definitely laying this up for
22:45
Ejaaz: a much bigger announcement for the AirPods Pro, which presumably is going to
22:50
Ejaaz: be the one that has cameras coming forward.
22:52
Ejaaz: I don't know if you have any comments on this, but I'm excited for what that effective teaser was.
22:58
Josh: Yeah, it's great value. It brings together the difference between the AirPods
23:01
Josh: Pro and the regular AirPods, mostly through active noise cancellation.
23:04
Josh: ANC is how they refer to it.
23:06
Josh: ANC was proprietary to the Pro models because they have the in earbuds that
23:10
Josh: actually stick inside your ear and create a seal.
23:12
Josh: They've somehow managed to make that work with the open earbuds as well.
23:14
Josh: So there is some level of active noise cancellation.
23:16
Josh: There's two versions, one for $130, one for $150, give or take $10 each.
23:22
Josh: It's an amazing device. It shows me that they have a lot of confidence going
23:25
Josh: forward in their next iteration of the Pro earbuds because this is bringing
23:29
Josh: that gap close, like really close to the sense that you might not be able to
23:32
Josh: justify $250 of spend if you just want a wireless pair of earbuds.
23:36
Josh: A few more things on the foldable. If you go back to the hinge,
23:39
Josh: actually, I want to talk about the hinge for a second because there's no way
23:41
Josh: this is made in the United States.
23:42
Josh: It's far too complicated. It's the first time they're using AI in the manufacturing
23:46
Josh: process. When you look at this overlay, there's a hundred parts and Elon is
23:49
Josh: rolling in his grave at this complexity, but it's elegant and it's beautiful.
23:52
Josh: And the way they're able to make it so correct in a sense with like very little,
23:57
Josh: what's the word i'm looking for very little issues there's very low tolerances
24:00
Josh: is because they actually use an ai machine learning algorithm to scan all the pieces
24:04
Josh: and figure out which ones best fit with the other so there's this huge
24:08
Josh: like slew of pieces ai looks at it it says take this screw for this one this
24:12
Josh: screw for this one and everything works out more seamlessly i found that to
24:15
Josh: be really interesting and then
24:16
Josh: in terms of popularity in china foldables i learned yesterday are the most.
24:20
Josh: Sold phone in china like they're the most popular phone so now there is a version
24:24
Josh: in which Apple can offer.
24:26
Josh: In terms of buying it, I don't think this is for me.
24:30
Josh: And that was surprising because I couldn't be happier to get two phones.
24:33
Josh: And I'll probably still get it. I really want to try it. I want to play around with it.
24:36
Josh: But in terms of a daily driver, the iPhone Duo is not a tool in the way that the iPhone Pro is.
24:41
Josh: And I find this to be really disappointing because.
24:43
Josh: The phone for me is such a tool in the sense that it has the best processor
24:47
Josh: for getting work done. It has the best visual optic system for cameras.
24:51
Josh: It has the best suite of sensors. It has the best speakers. It has the best
24:54
Josh: microphones. It has the best stabilizer and gyroscope.
24:57
Josh: All of those things take a second class seat in the iPhone Duo because of the
25:01
Josh: form factor and the novelty of it.
25:03
Josh: So if you are someone who is a regular iPhone enjoyer, who likes to take photos
25:07
Josh: of their family on the weekends, who likes to just maybe perhaps read at night.
25:11
Josh: And if you do open up that paper screen, you could use the Apple Pencil on it
25:15
Josh: later this year, which is very cool.
25:16
Josh: But then it's probably for you. Like the iPhone Duo could be for you.
25:19
Josh: And in fact, $2,000 was the first time I was surprised by pricing to the downside,
25:23
Josh: because of the extreme cost increase in terms of memory and RAM recently.
25:28
Josh: I expect it to come in over $2,000. I know they're probably feeling some pain
25:32
Josh: at the $2,000 price point because that was aspirational a few years ago.
25:35
Josh: Now they're probably taking a chunk out of the profit margin.
25:39
Josh: But for me, dude, I left delighted and surprised at how good the software was,
25:44
Josh: at how good the package was.
25:45
Josh: And then very like sobered by the idea that it is an inferior tool to the iPhone 18 Pro.
25:51
Josh: And I think this year, I'm just stoked that I can get a new upgrade in black.
25:54
Josh: And I'll be rocking my same slab that I have rocked forever because until they
25:57
Josh: come out with the glasses, until they come out with like the new passive AI
26:00
Josh: devices, I think it's the best device for people who really use their phone
26:03
Josh: as a tool. And I like couldn't be more excited about this event.
26:06
Josh: Can't be more excited to try the iPhone Duo. I wish it was coming out next week,
26:09
Josh: like the 18 Pro, but we'll just have to wait and see and hopefully have a follow-up
26:12
Josh: when we get it in our hands.
26:13
Ejaaz: I'm most excited, I think, by like all the AI features that Apple needs to come
26:18
Ejaaz: out with. And I say it needs intentionally.
26:20
Josh: Great, man. That's Monday. We're right there.
26:21
Ejaaz: I know. I've been waiting to use Siri OS.
26:24
Ejaaz: It's been in beta testing for a while now.
26:27
Ejaaz: But Siri has been like the world's worst personal assistant.
26:30
Ejaaz: And it is like particularly bad taste in my mouth because it was the earliest
26:35
Ejaaz: personal assistant, right?
26:36
Ejaaz: Like we had Siri before. or we had ChatGPT, or any of these different things.
26:39
Ejaaz: So we've been promised this kind of like hyper-intelligent local assistant that
26:43
Ejaaz: lives on your device. And like iPhone is the most popular, or Apple devices
26:47
Ejaaz: are the most popular devices. There's like 2.5 to 3 billion of them active live in the world right now.
26:53
Ejaaz: And so I've been waiting for Apple to make a move. They haven't been putting
26:56
Ejaaz: any money into kind of training their own model.
26:58
Ejaaz: We announced sort of like six months earlier this year that they struck a deal
27:03
Ejaaz: with Google for their Gemini model. And so they're paying them a billion dollars
27:07
Ejaaz: a year to kind of license a proprietary version of Gemini. And that's what's
27:11
Ejaaz: basically going to be powering Siri OS.
27:14
Ejaaz: I don't think Apple's assistant is going to be intelligent from Google Gemini.
27:19
Ejaaz: Now, if you've been following the show, Google's kind of taken a hit over the
27:23
Ejaaz: last couple of months. You know, they've had a lot of their leadership kind
27:26
Ejaaz: of like leave or kind of get demoted to another type of role.
27:29
Ejaaz: So they've kind of, they've lost a bit of steam in the AI race.
27:31
Ejaaz: They're not out of it, but they've lost some steam.
27:33
Ejaaz: So the question then becomes, you know, will Apple have frontier AI?
27:37
Ejaaz: They're screwed, right?
27:38
Ejaaz: Well, I don't think it's as simple as that because Apple's major moat is they
27:41
Ejaaz: have the data from anyone and everyone.
27:43
Ejaaz: You were mentioning earlier like this apple watch is another step in that direction
27:47
Ejaaz: where it's constantly monitoring and censoring you now there is a question around you know
27:51
Ejaaz: should you have that uh kind of information now in apple's case like it's using
27:55
Ejaaz: a private cloud it's encrypted to the extent that it could be that's great so
27:59
Ejaaz: apple has always taken privacy very seriously and i think they're going to do the same with ai
28:04
Ejaaz: It also means that you're going to have a much more personal experience with
28:07
Ejaaz: your ai i started using models like meta muse product and grok bots recently
28:11
Ejaaz: and it is a much more personal feel than chat gpt it's not necessarily the smartest model but it feels
28:16
Ejaaz: way better than using chat gpt as an llm on its own so i'm excited for apple
28:21
Ejaaz: to kind of like foray into this
28:23
Ejaaz: when it comes to um what that's going to feel like i think there's a daily limit
28:28
Ejaaz: so you have a daily kind of quota because computer, of course, is very expensive.
28:32
Ejaaz: And I think I did kind of like some derived math before we started recording this.
28:37
Ejaaz: If every single device in Apple's networks, it's around, let's just say two
28:41
Ejaaz: and a half billion devices, sent a query every single day, it would cost just under a tenth of a cent.
28:49
Ejaaz: So they have the scalable infrastructure here with Google and Gemini,
28:52
Ejaaz: so they'll write to pick that partner.
28:54
Ejaaz: But I'm just excited to see Apple finally launch a cohesive AI product,
28:59
Ejaaz: because I think people have been dying for it.
29:01
Ejaaz: I think 99% of people who don't really care or use ChatGPT or code beyond just
29:06
Ejaaz: an average Google search is going to start using AI in a much more meaningful way.
29:10
Ejaaz: And I think Apple is going to be the reason that they unlock that.
29:12
Ejaaz: So these devices are just one
29:14
Ejaaz: stepping stone towards that, but Siri AI is going to be the real unlock.
29:16
Josh: Even more so than cloud, like the new A20 ProShip has double the neural engines.
29:20
Josh: It is really capable of doing local inference. So I suspect we're going to be
29:24
Josh: getting a lot of that on the way.
29:26
Josh: I think that's the Apple update. We could talk about this forever,
29:28
Josh: but we got to move on because we're getting long and we still have more stuff
29:30
Josh: to talk about. We got to talk about Navier Stokes.
29:34
Ejaaz: Navier Stokes. Um...
29:36
Josh: Don't ask i don't know some smart people they like had a theorem they were just like,
29:43
Josh: i don't know how wind works i don't know how planes fly we can't really prove
29:46
Josh: it but it works so like we're experiencing the downstream effects of this navier
29:50
Josh: stokes effect basically every day
29:53
Josh: and if i can take a stab at describing what navier stokes is because i mean
29:57
Josh: ultimately spoiler alert,
29:59
Josh: someone solved it they or disproved it i should say but essentially and i was
30:03
Josh: thinking about this last couple of days because i had to figure out how to explain
30:05
Josh: to myself if you're like in the morning and you're stirring your cup of like
30:08
Josh: coffee and you watch little swirls.
30:11
Josh: You could they tried to write a rule that tells you exactly where every swirl
30:15
Josh: in the cup of coffee is going to exist next
30:17
Josh: and the rule kind of exists and it works but there's no way to prove that it
30:21
Josh: works fully to the limit so it works good enough for us to like use it to build
30:25
Josh: planes it talks about the way that wind lifts over things
30:28
Josh: it works enough for like fluid dynamics but there's still the puzzle in the
30:31
Josh: sense that no one's ever been able to prove that the rule always works.
30:35
Josh: So like perhaps if you stir your coffee in some very special,
30:38
Josh: weird way, it stays a swirl indefinitely.
30:41
Josh: And what has happened just this week is there was a million dollar prize for
30:45
Josh: this. People have been working on it their entire life.
30:47
Josh: It got blown up and it got disproved. And a computer said that,
30:52
Josh: in fact, if you do stir this milk or you do stir this coffee at a very particular
30:56
Josh: way, in a very strange form, the rule actually breaks and the swirl goes infinite.
31:01
Josh: And this is comparable to the people who live in the world of like fluid and
31:05
Josh: like aerodynamics as saying like two plus two sometimes doesn't equal four.
31:09
Josh: Like it doesn't always quite equal four in almost every case it does.
31:13
Josh: But we've just proved that in some weird case, it doesn't.
31:16
Josh: This is novel for reasons that I don't fully understand, but that is my interpretation
31:20
Josh: of it, at least, that this is like this pretty big deal in the world of math.
31:23
Josh: People have been spending their entire lives trying to solve it.
31:26
Josh: And AI, OpenAI, I mean, if I can get in my story correctly, they just solved this out of spite.
31:31
Ejaaz: Yeah, so let me give you my take on this. And, spoiler alert,
31:35
Ejaaz: it's not going to be on Navier Stokes because I'm way too dumb to cover what that is.
31:40
Ejaaz: But at a high level, here's what happened.
31:43
Ejaaz: So there's this thing called the Millennium Math Problems, and it started,
31:49
Ejaaz: shock, horror, in the year 2000.
31:52
Ejaaz: And it basically covered seven of the world's hardest mathematical problems.
31:57
Ejaaz: And they were the hardest mathematical problems because for over 100 years,
32:02
Ejaaz: people have been trying to solve these problems, but couldn't really come to a solution.
32:06
Ejaaz: And we're talking about like smartest minds in the world, right?
32:10
Ejaaz: So, one of these problems is called Navier-Stokes, and it's that kind of spiral
32:15
Ejaaz: swirl solution that you were just mentioning, Josh. But the issue is,
32:18
Ejaaz: no one could ever find a solution to this. It took way too much brain compute to try and figure out.
32:24
Ejaaz: So, the timeline is as follows. September 1st, so just a few weeks ago,
32:30
Ejaaz: These two research scientists slash mathematicians who have kind of like done
32:35
Ejaaz: work at Anthropic, partially done some work at OpenAI, hit each other up.
32:40
Ejaaz: And they were like, listen, let's work on this problem together.
32:43
Ejaaz: And well, they actually had this conversation a few weeks earlier or like a
32:47
Ejaaz: few months earlier, and they've been working on this problem together.
32:49
Ejaaz: They were like, let's go at it the old-fashioned way, right?
32:52
Ejaaz: And let's not let the AI labs solve it themselves. Let's try and do this the
32:56
Ejaaz: old way, and we can use AI models to help us, but we're mathematicians. We'll try and fix this.
33:00
Ejaaz: So they were working on a proof for Navier-Stokes specifically.
33:03
Ejaaz: This is one of the seven problems.
33:05
Ejaaz: And they announced on September 1st that they'd found not a solution to it,
33:09
Ejaaz: but kind of like a partial solution to a cousin problem version of this,
33:15
Ejaaz: right? So it's not the direct solution, but it's kind of like,
33:17
Ejaaz: it's partial, right? But it's impressive in itself.
33:20
Ejaaz: Now, after that got announced, rumors started swirling.
33:23
Ejaaz: That Anthropic had solved Navier-Stokes using an internal model.
33:28
Ejaaz: And of course, who's the first to hear that? It's OpenAI.
33:31
Ejaaz: So OpenAI from then used an internal version of their model.
33:36
Ejaaz: It's not GPT-6 Astra, which everyone has access to right now.
33:39
Ejaaz: It's an internal version, which was only being trained for 12 days at the time
33:44
Ejaaz: that they pointed it at Navier-Stokes, this very complex mathematical solution
33:48
Ejaaz: or problem that had never, ever been solved before.
33:52
Ejaaz: And the resulting case after 88 hours of work, it worked nonstop for 88 hours,
33:58
Ejaaz: is it came up with the perfect solution to this problem, better than the ones
34:03
Ejaaz: that the two mathematicians had announced on September 1st.
34:06
Ejaaz: So why is this important? Well, number one, AI has basically solved math.
34:11
Ejaaz: So at the same time where an AI can't really read my texts and kind of come
34:15
Ejaaz: up with a smart answer, it still sounds like a chatbot, it can solve world-defining
34:19
Ejaaz: mathematical problems worth a million dollars.
34:21
Ejaaz: Now, it's worth mentioning that the cost to solve this problem cost,
34:26
Ejaaz: I think, 10 million plus dollars.
34:28
Ejaaz: I think Sam confirmed it in a thread. So very, very expensive.
34:31
Ejaaz: But the idea is these models are going to get more efficient and smarter for
34:35
Ejaaz: cheaper cost per unit token.
34:37
Ejaaz: So you should be able to have a model like this that can solve these crazy mathematical
34:40
Ejaaz: problems for a fraction of the cost in a few months time.
34:43
Ejaaz: But the drama behind this is these two researchers, which came up with the original
34:48
Ejaaz: kind of idea or solution, but wasn't really the solution, basically said that
34:52
Ejaaz: AI had stolen, OpenAI had stolen their user data.
34:55
Ejaaz: Because remember, they were using ChatGPT and Claude to kind of like figure
34:59
Ejaaz: out a solution for their own.
35:00
Ejaaz: They accused OpenAI of stealing their internal chat logs and basically saying,
35:04
Ejaaz: we're going to use this to solve it ourselves and without sharing any of the credit to them.
35:10
Ejaaz: So this whole drama basically unpacked, Josh, over the last couple of weeks where...
35:16
Ejaaz: OpenAI's head of research got accused and in internal conversation logs that
35:20
Ejaaz: got leaked, basically told these two researchers, why do you want to ruin your
35:25
Ejaaz: career over something that's so disdainful?
35:27
Ejaaz: Like, here's the offer that we're giving you, but you need to cut Anthropic
35:31
Ejaaz: out of this because we don't want you on the official solution for this.
35:34
Ejaaz: We discovered this solution. We didn't use your user data.
35:37
Ejaaz: So you have no choice. Like either sign this kind of contract and say that,
35:40
Ejaaz: you know, you're part of this or we'll just take all the credit.
35:43
Ejaaz: So the big question that comes from this is who who should have the credit for
35:47
Ejaaz: this should it be open ai's internal model that has trained on everyone else's chat logs
35:53
Ejaaz: or should it be the people that originated there like part of the solution um
35:58
Ejaaz: and should they have credit for this
35:59
Josh: I don't know i don't know there's a lot of drama there's a lot of name pointing
36:02
Josh: i think the important takeaway from this story is the fact that meth is probably
36:06
Josh: the most deterministic category that we've trained ai models to do and therefore
36:11
Josh: it is the one that we are seeing the most acceleration in
36:13
Josh: it does appear as if we were at the early stages of solving some really meaningful math
36:17
Josh: like the fact that they just kind of did this on a whim and pointed it at this
36:20
Josh: problem and solved it in a very short period of time is telling at how much
36:24
Josh: more capable this is going to be during these next future models so
36:28
Josh: what i would be excited about now is like okay what are the actual implications
36:32
Josh: of solving difficult math problems that can meaningfully
36:35
Josh: impact the world we i remember we recorded an episode last year about like the
36:39
Josh: room temperature semiconductor thing where it was this unbelievable breakthrough
36:42
Josh: turned out that it wasn't really unbelievable it didn't actually work but how can,
36:46
Josh: industry how can like people actually be impacted by this and it starts with
36:50
Josh: math it quickly moves to science we start to uncover the dna you start to understand
36:54
Josh: more about it you start to apply.
36:56
Josh: These very difficult questions with deterministic outcomes to these new frontier
37:00
Josh: models and you actually get answers that humans were incapable of doing and
37:03
Josh: this is that kind of like agi cusp moment in which we're starting to realize that
37:08
Josh: there is actually intelligence far smarter than us at specific pointy jagged
37:12
Josh: cases but in the case that it does it's really freaking impressive and this
37:16
Josh: is cool to see that you can just on a whim crack,
37:19
Josh: crack one of the millennium challenges of great history like people have spent
37:23
Josh: their entire life solving this and they pointed it for fun They're like,
37:26
Josh: here's 10,000 agents, see if you can solve it.
37:28
Josh: And it solved the problem. And that to me is really exciting and a really interesting
37:31
Josh: precedent set for what the next couple of months, couple of years are going
37:35
Josh: to look like in the world of AI applied to math and science in particular. Very cool.
37:40
Ejaaz: I think the thing that's going to matter most to me, like that kind of like
37:43
Ejaaz: magical moment will be when it's applied
37:45
Ejaaz: to like science or medicine in particular. And I think we're close.
37:49
Ejaaz: I think we're close. Like we're there. Open AI, we're there.
37:52
Ejaaz: So OpenAI has been saying for a while now that
37:55
Ejaaz: They are internally orchestrating their models to be really good at math.
37:59
Ejaaz: But, you know, where's the AI labs that are focusing on science?
38:02
Ejaaz: Well, I've heard rumors that Anthropic has been doing this with internal models.
38:05
Ejaaz: I've heard rumors that Google DeepMind have been doing it.
38:08
Ejaaz: Tevis Hussibis has stepped down from his role as head of AI of Gemini and is
38:12
Ejaaz: now focused on, what's it called, isometric labs, which is basically a lab that
38:17
Ejaaz: can autonomously design and build novel cures and treatments for diseases.
38:22
Ejaaz: But I saw this really cool story, which kind of like suggests that we're almost
38:25
Ejaaz: there, from this guy called Douglas Yao,
38:29
Ejaaz: who basically created a new drug called PAC-3310, which was designed by ChatGPT
38:36
Ejaaz: and synthesized in a chemistry lab that he has in his garage.
38:41
Ejaaz: And what this new cure can basically do is treat against schizophrenia,
38:47
Ejaaz: similar to a recent breakthrough from a drug that he calls or references as Cobenfry.
38:52
Ejaaz: So a bit of context, and also look at this lab setup. This is some Breaking Bad type stuff.
38:57
Ejaaz: So what this kid basically did was he looked at Cobenfry, which is this new
39:01
Ejaaz: drug which kind of came out around like six months ago.
39:04
Ejaaz: And basically, it's this new version or way of treating schizophrenia.
39:08
Ejaaz: Up until that point, treatment had kind of like plateaued and people hadn't
39:11
Ejaaz: made a breakthrough until this new drug came out.
39:14
Ejaaz: But it came with a bunch of different side effects, nausea, sickness,
39:17
Ejaaz: and pain and aches in the joints.
39:20
Ejaaz: So he was like, hmm, I wonder if there's a version of this that could not trigger
39:24
Ejaaz: those things. So he went down a rabbit hole.
39:26
Ejaaz: He looked at the compound Coben-Fry and he noticed that this drug,
39:30
Ejaaz: whilst successfully obliviating a
39:33
Ejaaz: schizophrenia, would also engage with three other receptors,
39:37
Ejaaz: which would cause this nausea, sickness, and joint pain.
39:40
Ejaaz: So he was like, ChatGPT, I want you to basically design a version of this that
39:44
Ejaaz: doesn't engage those receptors.
39:46
Ejaaz: It came out with a template design, and then he fed it into basically an automated
39:50
Ejaaz: lab, which essentially built the entire thing for him.
39:54
Ejaaz: And the funniest part, and I'm going to see if I can find it.
39:57
Ejaaz: I think it was a comment. Yeah, over here.
39:58
Ejaaz: Your team page on your site is so great. And it's just him as the founder,
40:01
Ejaaz: ChatGPT plus Claude, And then an automated laboratory thing,
40:05
Ejaaz: which he used to basically 3D print the entire cure.
40:08
Ejaaz: Just a cool story going on from what we were just discussing.
40:11
Ejaaz: I think we're on the cusp of AI really revolutionizing, you know, personal medicine.
40:15
Josh: The theme, I think, of this episode, outside of our little side quest to talk
40:18
Josh: about Apple products and intelligence, is that like when you take this story
40:22
Josh: and you take the first story, and there is a chance of like horrible things
40:27
Josh: happening, but also there's incredible things being accomplished.
40:29
Josh: I think this is everything we've kind of been talking about for a long time.
40:35
Josh: The future very much does feel here, again, unevenly distributed in terms of
40:38
Josh: technology, but also mindshare.
40:40
Josh: And what we're seeing is this like very strong disconnect between what we've
40:43
Josh: been discussing for a year on the show. Like the reason the show was started
40:46
Josh: is because we are entering a vertical period of progress and there is a tremendous
40:50
Josh: amount of innovation that's happening.
40:51
Josh: And every week that goes by that accelerates and we see more and more amazing
40:55
Josh: use cases and the immune response to that from people who are scared by that
40:59
Josh: is going to increase in intensity as well.
41:02
Josh: And i just want to just like refrain for everybody that this is happening like
41:08
Josh: it's this thing is happening progress is being made the math is being solved
41:12
Josh: the science is being solved like the things that we've been talking about are
41:15
Josh: actually being realized and,
41:17
Josh: the hypothesizing that this show is based on is like becoming more real every
41:22
Josh: day and there are pros and there are cons but it's happening and i think like
41:26
Josh: if there is a takeaway from this episode it's just like okay everything that we've been saying
41:30
Josh: i mean not everything of course but like directionally the progress is happening.
41:33
Josh: We are solving AGI. We are reaching AGI.
41:35
Josh: We are working towards recursive self-improvement. All of these things.
41:38
Josh: That we're seeing are going to continue happening at this pace.
41:40
Josh: And it's like, all right, we got to figure out how to deal with this as a society,
41:43
Josh: as an individual, like, how do you want to empower your life?
41:46
Josh: Do you want an Apple watch that's listening to you all day long?
41:49
Josh: That's giving you context on your health that can possibly help you improve your life?
41:52
Josh: Do you want to opt out of that? There's a series of decisions that everyone's
41:55
Josh: going to have to make in the coming years as the consumer devices change,
41:58
Josh: as the consumer software changes, as the corporate infrastructure around you
42:01
Josh: changes, there's going to be a lot of change.
42:03
Josh: So I guess the encouragement is, like, get comfortable with change try to figure
42:07
Josh: out like what your values are where you want to live in this new world but the new world is coming,
42:12
Josh: and it feels very much here and over the next couple of months over the next
42:16
Josh: couple of years like that vertical line is probably going to stay vertical and
42:19
Josh: things are going to keep getting
42:20
Josh: weird and exciting and like maybe we'll be able to create our own i don't know
42:24
Josh: maybe we could clone ourselves or something we could clone our voices and we
42:26
Josh: could just we'll have this podcast run itself we'll create our own lab we can
42:29
Josh: make our own peptides supercharged our human selves solve all our cancer problems
42:33
Josh: whatever we want to do the The future's like pretty infinite.
42:36
Ejaaz: I think for the last couple of years that we've individually been covering AI,
42:42
Ejaaz: researching AI, and then starting this show,
42:45
Ejaaz: It really has felt like we've been on our own island to an extent.
42:49
Ejaaz: Like, you know, we would talk about all these crazy developments,
42:51
Ejaaz: and then I would go have a conversation with my sister, and she would be like,
42:54
Ejaaz: what do you mean, like, this model can do this? Like, I don't come across it.
42:57
Ejaaz: And that's the truth for the majority of the world.
42:59
Ejaaz: And listen, I'm no doomer by any means. I remain very optimistic.
43:04
Ejaaz: I think there is a sub-1% chance that AI actually ends up killing humanity,
43:08
Ejaaz: and it's probably going to get lower over the next couple of years and decades.
43:13
Ejaaz: But I do think right now, this year, over the next couple of months,
43:19
Ejaaz: It has never been more important for everyone to pay attention to what is going
43:24
Ejaaz: on. There's some themes that are happening, right?
43:26
Ejaaz: We have never been in a position where we are giving more of our data over to
43:32
Ejaaz: centralized corporations than today.
43:35
Ejaaz: There's also never been an instance where technology has permeated pretty much
43:41
Ejaaz: every single facet of our life.
43:43
Ejaaz: Relationships, work, personal connections, productivity, entertainment, whatever it might be.
43:51
Ejaaz: AI and technology is there. There's a device for everything.
43:54
Ejaaz: That's listening, that's seeing, that's doing things for you.
43:57
Ejaaz: We are automating the world.
43:59
Ejaaz: And that's going to happen in the physical world as well when robots scale up,
44:03
Ejaaz: and they are scaling up. That's going to happen. China's already there, right?
44:06
Ejaaz: So the question we have to ask ourselves is, in this world, how do we make sure
44:10
Ejaaz: that technology, which is
44:13
Ejaaz: You know, proceeding that, only been used as a tool and considered a tool,
44:17
Ejaaz: Now be used as a kind of like thought partner with us that is aligned with us.
44:23
Ejaaz: And if any of the recent stories of these AI models breaking out and doing nefarious
44:27
Ejaaz: things are anything to go by is, there's some work for us to do.
44:31
Ejaaz: And if the head of AI alignment research, to tie it back to our first story,
44:34
Ejaaz: is coming out and saying, listen,
44:36
Ejaaz: the AI labs are being reckless, this is probably a warning sign that we should
44:40
Ejaaz: kind of heed and focus on and it's just like this is not a warning this is not
44:44
Ejaaz: a Doomer episode it's more like
44:46
Ejaaz: you know, let's pay attention to how we're using these tools because these tools
44:49
Ejaaz: are about to become a hell of a lot more effective in terms of actionable things.
44:54
Ejaaz: It's going to control your computer. It's going to do a bunch of things.
44:56
Ejaaz: We're going to give more of ourselves over to these machines.
44:59
Ejaaz: We just need to be careful. But yeah, that is the episode. That's the roundup.
45:02
Ejaaz: Sorry that it was a bit of a long one today.
45:05
Ejaaz: Very heavy on certain topics, but you know, that's the case with AI week in, week out.
45:09
Ejaaz: Thank you so much for listening. If you have listened to this on youtube and
45:13
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45:18
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45:22
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45:26
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45:29
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45:31
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45:41
Ejaaz: josh any other final thoughts
45:43
Josh: You said we were doing this on an island it feels like a pretty pretty big island
45:47
Josh: or an increase in a large island and i appreciate all the members that have
45:50
Josh: joined the island when we talk about giving giving ourselves i mean perhaps suggestion
45:54
Josh: what i've been thinking in like terms of giving things up is is the realization
45:58
Josh: that advertisers for a very long time have been collecting data you don't have much personal left
46:02
Josh: at least in this instance there is some,
46:05
Josh: transparency and there is some imposed privacy instead of the illusion of such.
46:10
Josh: So what I found is I'm happy to give my information to these companies in exchange
46:14
Josh: for a far superior quality of life.
46:16
Josh: That might not be true for everyone. I just want to share my own take,
46:19
Josh: but that is the episode. Thank you for watching. I think this is the longest
46:22
Josh: episode ever. We're not doing a good job of staying on track here,
46:25
Josh: but a lot to talk about and very exciting topics to talk about.
46:29
Josh: I'm glad we finally got our Apple episode.
46:31
Josh: I'm glad it was wrapped in some doomer context to humble us.
46:34
Josh: And I think that is everything. So thank you all so much for making it to the
46:38
Josh: end. Thank you just in general for joining us through this journey and we will
46:42
Josh: see you guys on the next one.