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DID AI GURU PLAN PERFECT MURDER OF YALE GRAD STUDENT AFTER MARRIAGE PROPOSAL? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Did an AI artificial intelligence guru plan the perfect murder
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  Speaker 2: of a Yale grass student just after his marriage proposal.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Macy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 3: A Yale grad student, newly engaged, gunned down next to
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  Speaker 3: his damaged prius. Was it road rage or it targeted attack?
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  Speaker 3: Who killed Kevin giong road rage?
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  Speaker 1: Seemingly the motive? Listen.
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  Speaker 4: I can't speak to the intent. I can't speak to motive.
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  Speaker 5: What I can tell you is that there was an accident,
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  Speaker 5: and we are exploring whether or not that was material
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  Speaker 5: in terms of the motive under for which he shot him. Again,
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  Speaker 5: it's too early to talk about that, and I can't
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  Speaker 5: share that, but what we can say is that we're
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  Speaker 5: exploring absolutely every angle, including the fact that there was
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  Speaker 5: an accident for seated the encounter.
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  Speaker 6: One week after Kevin Jeong's engagement to the love of
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  Speaker 6: his life. Police are now informing his mother and his fiancee,
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  Speaker 6: Zion Perry, of his tragic death. Detectives say the women
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  Speaker 6: are distraughts and can't understand why anyone would have killed
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  Speaker 6: Kevin Jeong.
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  Speaker 2: I guess so distraught, and this guy, the shooting victim,
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  Speaker 2: scrubbed in sunshine. Number one, devout Christian, number two, brilliant,
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  Speaker 2: studying mercury levels in fish as part of his Yale
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  Speaker 2: graduate degree. I mean, comes to the parents, come to
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  Speaker 2: this country, work their fingers to the bone, get their
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  Speaker 2: son into Yale University, the IVY League, Yelle, No, their
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  Speaker 2: dreams come true. That's the lottery ticket, the golden ticket. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you get into an IVY league. He's doing great, he
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  Speaker 2: gets engaged. In fact, the money is so tight. He
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  Speaker 2: lives with his mother. You were earlier hearing sound from
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  Speaker 2: our friends at Fox sixty one, the mom that he
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  Speaker 2: lives with.
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  Speaker 1: The fiance I think he met at.
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  Speaker 2: Church, completely distraught what happened? And then I just here
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  Speaker 2: police refer to an accident. Wait a minute, Dave mac
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  Speaker 2: joining me, Crime online dot com investigative reporter, accident accident.
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  Speaker 2: How many times was the victim shot at point blank range?
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you point blank and we'll go to
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  Speaker 2: an expert on this. Because the victim's face had soot
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  Speaker 2: common vernacular gunshot residue on his face that only comes
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  Speaker 2: from a point blank shooting.
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  Speaker 1: That's no accident, Dave mack.
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  Speaker 7: No, that's the perpetrator standing over the prone body and
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  Speaker 7: pulling the trigger eight times in the face. That's what happened, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: There was no road rage accident. There was a whole
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  Speaker 7: lot more going on in this case.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now, longtime colleague, veteran defense attorney in
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  Speaker 2: this jurisdiction, Boston based lawyer Peter Ellikin, author of an
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  Speaker 2: incredible book, Super Predators, the Demonization of our children by
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  Speaker 2: the law, and the tough on crime myth. Disagree with
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  Speaker 2: all of that. Peter Ellikin, you and I have argued
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  Speaker 2: about a lot of cases. I've prosecuted a lot. You
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  Speaker 2: have defended a lot in court. But wouldn't you agree
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  Speaker 2: shooting somebody eight times, including in the face, at point
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  Speaker 2: blank rage, at point blank range. I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: rage actually describes that eight times over a fender bender.
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  Speaker 8: I agree that that would be my first clue that
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  Speaker 8: it's a personal thing.
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  Speaker 4: Usually when people do, I guess you call that overkill.
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  Speaker 8: You don't just shoot somebody to kill them, but you
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  Speaker 8: keep shooting again and again and again. At that point
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  Speaker 8: you say, gee, this must be personal. It's not just
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  Speaker 8: somebody bumped into somebody's car, particularly when we're there and
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  Speaker 8: said the shooting started instantly after the bumping of the car.
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  Speaker 2: Elkan, you all represented roads rade, road ragers. Correct, you have,
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  Speaker 2: and they have the defense of voluntary manslaughter.
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  Speaker 1: Now do I think that's legitimate?
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  Speaker 2: No, because voluntary manslaughter is typically in the heat of passion.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: When you went to law school, they always use the
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  Speaker 2: example a man comes home and finds his wife in
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  Speaker 2: bed with another man. Why is it always her? Why
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  Speaker 2: is she always the cheater? Because the law professor is
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  Speaker 2: a man.
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  Speaker 1: That's why. That's another can of worms.
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  Speaker 2: Peter ellikin what kind of rage or wild anger, boiling
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  Speaker 2: blood would get you a manslaughter as opposed to murder?
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  Speaker 1: One?
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  Speaker 8: I think that if it's in the heat of passion,
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  Speaker 8: the person didn't plan on hurting anybody, The players didn't
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  Speaker 8: plan on killing anybody, suddenly snaps and in a few
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  Speaker 8: seconds just kind of blows up and maybe even ten
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  Speaker 8: seconds later.
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  Speaker 4: Says, oh my gosh, what did I do?
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  Speaker 8: That would be a heat of passion as opposed to
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  Speaker 8: you know, another kind of intentional enough, and I could
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  Speaker 8: see why the police if they arrive on the scene.
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  Speaker 8: The first time they see there was an accident, somebody's dead,
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  Speaker 8: that might be their first instinct to look into.
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  Speaker 4: That, to see if it was a road rage. But
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  Speaker 4: certainly they.
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  Speaker 2: Would, didn't You just say that the person would commit
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  Speaker 2: the act shooting, although I mean eight gunshot wounds, including
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  Speaker 2: to the face, but then immediately regret the day. This
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  Speaker 2: guy didn't come back, He drove off, He didn't come
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  Speaker 2: back to try to save Kevin. He didn't come back
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  Speaker 2: to check on him, He didn't call an ambulance, nothing.
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  Speaker 2: So that defense is out the window. What did a
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  Speaker 2: witness say? Listen?
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  Speaker 6: A witness says she looks out her window after hearing
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  Speaker 6: the gunshots and sees the shooter standing over Young, who
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  Speaker 6: was already down on the ground in the street. The
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  Speaker 6: gunman fires additional shots at close range. Detectives at the
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  Speaker 6: scene recognized Jeong has the appearance of stippling on his face,
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  Speaker 6: something that can only happen from being shot at close range.
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  Speaker 6: New Haven homicide Detective David Zorweski believes the evidence of
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  Speaker 6: close range gunfire is indicative of something more than a
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  Speaker 6: random shooting or even a case.
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  Speaker 4: Of road rage.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to renowned board certify forensic pathologists,
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  Speaker 2: consultant medical examiner, doctor Eric Essen, doctor Ason, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us. Explain and regular people talk, okay,
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  Speaker 2: straight vernacular.
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  Speaker 1: What is stipling?
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  Speaker 2: How do we know these bullets were fired at close rings?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, I get asked this in court all the time.
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  Speaker 9: Stippling also known as gunpowder tattooing. Basically, when a gun
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  Speaker 9: is fired, you have the bullet that leaves the gun,
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  Speaker 9: but also you have other stuff that leaves the gun.
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  Speaker 9: And so you have the burned gunpowder, which causes soot
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  Speaker 9: deposition onto the skin or on the target, soot similar
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  Speaker 9: to what you see in like a fireplace. And then
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  Speaker 9: you have what's known as the gunpowder that did not
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  Speaker 9: burn up in the shooting, and so that leaves the barrel.
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  Speaker 4: And if the.
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  Speaker 9: Gun is close enough to the target, those unburned gunpowder
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  Speaker 9: particles are going to strike and a braid or scratch
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  Speaker 9: the skin and leave these red purple dots on the
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  Speaker 9: skin known as stippling or gunpowder tattooing. And when I
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  Speaker 9: see that at autopsy, basically I know that the gun
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  Speaker 9: was within probably about two to two and a half
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  Speaker 9: feet from the body. No further away than two to
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  Speaker 9: two and a half feet, but it was not touching
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  Speaker 9: the skin. It was not more than two and a
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  Speaker 9: half feet away. It was up close and personal, within
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  Speaker 9: inches from the body. So up close and personal or
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  Speaker 9: point blank is what was referred to earlier on.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Eric Aason. Now we know that typically gunshot residue
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  Speaker 2: is a fine mist spray like baby powder. Okay, I've
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  Speaker 2: used that in court as a demonstrative, can travel around
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  Speaker 2: thirty six inches. Okay, yes, which means that's why if
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  Speaker 2: you can catch the perp, you immediately want to do
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  Speaker 2: a GSR gunshot residue.
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  Speaker 1: Shot on their hands, their arms.
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  Speaker 2: Their wrists, in between their fingers, and it's very delicate
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  Speaker 2: like baby powder.
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  Speaker 1: If you just do this, it's gone much less.
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  Speaker 2: If you let the purpm go to the bathroom and
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  Speaker 2: they wash their hands over, you're not going to get
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  Speaker 2: that now. Stippling to my understanding, as you said, tattooing
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  Speaker 2: is different from just a gunshot residue, which has a
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  Speaker 2: fine mist spray up to thirty six inches. Stippling or
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  Speaker 2: tattooing is point blank. In other words, to my understanding,
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  Speaker 2: you're the expert. Of course, the gun is practically if
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  Speaker 2: not touching the skin.
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  Speaker 1: Explain, inches away from the body is what we have.
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  Speaker 9: Because the further you pull the gun away, the less
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  Speaker 9: likely the gunpowder is going to have enough energy or
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  Speaker 9: velocity to even reach the target. And so you have
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  Speaker 9: to be with inches away. As soon as you get
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  Speaker 9: to two and a half feet, the stippling or the gunpowder,
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  Speaker 9: the unburned gunpowder is no longer going to have enough
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  Speaker 9: energy to reach the target and it's just going to
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  Speaker 9: fall off into the environment. And the other thing I
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  Speaker 9: need to mention is that the gunpowder tattooing, these are abrasions,
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  Speaker 9: so you can't rub them off at autopsy. We wash
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  Speaker 9: the body and they cannot be scrubbed off. They're permanent.
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  Speaker 1: On those counts. They are the cuts, right, scratches actually
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  Speaker 1: scratches like a tattoo. You get cut and the ink
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  Speaker 1: is injected. I mean, you know where I'm going with this.
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  Speaker 2: IRV Bran IRV Brandt, US Marshalls Service, chief inspector all
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  Speaker 2: over the world trying to hunt down criminals, author of
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  Speaker 2: a series of books on Amazon about Jack Solo. Who
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  Speaker 2: could that be patterned after IRV? Let's get down to it.
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  Speaker 2: Why do I keep talking about stippling and gunshot residue.
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  Speaker 2: Because this perp goes over to Kevin Right, the yl
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  Speaker 2: grad student, the one of devoting his life to helping people,
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  Speaker 2: the one that just announced his engagement on Facebook, that
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  Speaker 2: one that lives with his mother and supports her. That
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  Speaker 2: one goes over to him, gets down on the ground
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  Speaker 2: to this guy and holds the bullet to his head,
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  Speaker 2: to his face and shoots him eight times. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of names for this perp, but it's
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  Speaker 2: nothing I could say on air.
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  Speaker 1: What about it?
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  Speaker 10: Brant Nancy, you're exactly right when you're describing a road rage,
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  Speaker 10: someone getting out of the car, losing their minds, fighting,
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  Speaker 10: just fire and shots wildly. Is completely different from shooting
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  Speaker 10: someone then going up to the body and taking careful
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  Speaker 10: aim and shooting people, shooting that person in the head
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  Speaker 10: to make sure that they're dead. So you're exactly right
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  Speaker 10: with that.
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  Speaker 2: He orv Look at your screen, Look at your screen.
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  Speaker 2: There he is proposing to Zion. Hey, Dave mac do
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  Speaker 2: they meet in charch Neither here nor there. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: trying to remember where these two met.
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  Speaker 7: They actually met on a weekend Christian retreat.
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  Speaker 1: We know what the witness says, but listen to what
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  Speaker 1: cops say.
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  Speaker 11: At eight thirty pm on February sixth, police responded to
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  Speaker 11: the scene of a shooting in New Haven. When they arrived,
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  Speaker 11: they find Jiang deceased in the street. About a hundred
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  Speaker 11: fet away was his car, a Prius. Forty five caliber
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  Speaker 11: casings were also found at the scene, and it appears
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  Speaker 11: Xiang had been shot multiple times.
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  Speaker 6: Police get surveillance video from a nearby home. Playing the video,
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  Speaker 6: they can hear the sound of a car crash before
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  Speaker 6: Kevin Jong's Prius enters the frame. His car is followed
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  Speaker 6: closely by a dark suv. Jiong's Prius comes to a
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  Speaker 6: stop while the suv moves in reverse. Jeong exits his
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  Speaker 6: car and is walking toward the suv as he walks
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  Speaker 6: out of the frame on the surveillance video. Seconds after
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  Speaker 6: Jeong is not visible on the video, eight shots and
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  Speaker 6: a scream can be heard on the recording.
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  Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, who murdered a twenty six
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  Speaker 2: year old rising star, a Yale grad student who had
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  Speaker 2: just gotten engaged to be married, and why why would
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  Speaker 2: anyone pick this target when you don't know where to go?
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  Speaker 2: When you hit a dead end, and an investigation you
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  Speaker 2: go back to the victim.
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  Speaker 1: Are there any clues in Kevin's background?
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  Speaker 11: Kevin Giong is a twenty six year old overachiever. He
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  Speaker 11: is a graduate student at Yale School of Environment, where
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  Speaker 11: he is a second year master's student conducting research on
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  Speaker 11: mercury levels in fish. He is a former lieutenant in
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  Speaker 11: the US Army National Guard, serving in the one hundred
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  Speaker 11: and eighteenth Multifunctional Medical Battalion of the Connecticut National Guard.
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  Speaker 11: He brings his mother from Seattle to live with him
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  Speaker 11: and volunteers to work with the homeless. Deeply religious, Kevin
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  Speaker 11: has just proposed to the love of his life, Zion Perry,
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  Speaker 11: who posts a video of the proposal on our Facebook page.
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  Speaker 2: To doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining us renowned clinical psychologists, author
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  Speaker 2: of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of Your Anxiety. As
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  Speaker 2: I was watching that video, the dichotomy, you know this
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  Speaker 2: was posted just days before he was gunned down like
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  Speaker 2: a dog in the street.
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  Speaker 1: The dichotomy of that happy moment.
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  Speaker 2: Compared to the juxtaposition of him lying there in the
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  Speaker 2: snow in the shadows of Yale University's family fought so
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  Speaker 2: hard to just advance him, help him, help him make
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  Speaker 2: his dreams come true when they were all coming true.
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  Speaker 2: That harsh dichotomy has a lot to take in, doctor Chloe.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Nancy, it certainly is.
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  Speaker 12: As a clinical psychologist, obviously I see a lot of
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  Speaker 12: hard things, but just seeing that simple, joyful moment, knowing
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  Speaker 12: what's about to happen, is heartbreaking, not only as a psychologist,
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  Speaker 12: but frankly as a mother. I really grieve for his
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  Speaker 12: parents and obviously for her as well. I see this
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  Speaker 12: as a mother and as a wife.
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  Speaker 2: You know Peter Elikin as a veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney,
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  Speaker 2: author of multiple books. He's at Elekancriminal Defense Attorney dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Peter, you and I have sat many a time on.
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  Speaker 2: A dark set at Court TV and chill in and
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  Speaker 2: on and on, and we are always shocked at crimes.
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  Speaker 2: But I think as I was watching that engagement video,
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  Speaker 2: I think I realized why I'm so angry and upset
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  Speaker 2: about this. It reminds me so much of my fiancee Keith.
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  Speaker 2: Not long after proposal, he was gunned down, including multiple
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  Speaker 2: shots to the face the head, and everything just ended
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  Speaker 2: for me, much less for him and his family.
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  Speaker 1: And to his mother's dying breath, Peter.
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  Speaker 2: They asked her at her bedside, Mom, what are you
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  Speaker 2: thinking about?
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  Speaker 1: She said, just memories. I'm having memories of Keith.
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  Speaker 2: Years later, decades later, Miss Griffin passed away thinking about Keith.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, do you just take your hat off, your
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  Speaker 2: defense hat off, just one moment. Do you ever just
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  Speaker 2: look at somebody in court and think about the wake
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  Speaker 2: of pain they leave behind. It goes on and on
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  Speaker 2: for it for decades to come.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's not just the immediate pain. They're still
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  Speaker 8: crying twenty five thirty years later. I understand that, particularly
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  Speaker 8: as you've described that. I've heard you describe Keith many times,
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  Speaker 8: and so this young man is like the greatest person
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  Speaker 8: that I've ever heard of in my life. He was
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  Speaker 8: helping the homeless. He was a Navy lieutenant, still in
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  Speaker 8: the National Navy Army lieutenant, still in the National Guard,
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  Speaker 8: and he went the Christian retreats, and he was a
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  Speaker 8: star in school, and he.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't have an enemy in the world.
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  Speaker 8: And I think that's why when the police were first looking,
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  Speaker 8: they were trying to say, okay, who would be shooting him?
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  Speaker 4: And they couldn't make any connection. They couldn't see anybody,
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  Speaker 4: so it is.
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  Speaker 2: And then they had to just go with this guy
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  Speaker 2: so angry over a thunder bender, and Peter, you have
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  Speaker 2: a son, all right?
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  Speaker 1: Look at this guy, this guy. Can I see a
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  Speaker 1: picture of.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Okay, when he's smiling, he's got perfectly straight.
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  Speaker 1: To look at him in his little suit.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody had to buy in that suit, get him all
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  Speaker 2: dressed up, play for his pay for his orthodonics, get
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  Speaker 2: him probably tutors and this and that to get him
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  Speaker 2: to yell. I mean, this guy worked full time, even
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  Speaker 2: to save money. He brings in You think you think
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  Speaker 2: he was in the Rotzia for nothing. They help you,
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  Speaker 2: They pay for your school. Right, Look at this, I mean, Peter,
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  Speaker 2: we work so hard and pour in all our love,
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  Speaker 2: all our energy, all our money, everything into our children.
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  Speaker 2: You get him into a gratitude an ivy league and
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  Speaker 2: you think, hey, oh I did it.
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  Speaker 1: He's in he's gonna make it right.
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  Speaker 2: And then this, I mean, what this family must have
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  Speaker 2: gone through is just wrenching.
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  Speaker 4: This is the heartbreaker of all time.
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  Speaker 8: As I said, I've never seen anybody who hit so
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  Speaker 8: many great points in life and they say taking his
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  Speaker 8: mother in and even their place to live and helping
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  Speaker 8: the homeless, and you know on in the military back considerate.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, this is like the best person in the world,
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  Speaker 8: and it's just got all that everything that went into this.
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  Speaker 8: And what could he have done in the future. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: he was working for environmental things and you're working for
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  Speaker 8: church things. What would have happened if he could have
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  Speaker 8: had another sixty years of life.
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  Speaker 1: Don't make me even more angry than I already am.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Ellikin. So this is what we know so far.
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  Speaker 1: At road rage.
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  Speaker 2: Erupts into a point blank execution style and murder. But
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  Speaker 2: what do some random shots and to an upscale on
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  Speaker 2: New Haven, Connecticut neighborhood have to do with this?
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  Speaker 1: Listen?
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  Speaker 11: Police in New Haven, Connecticut are surprised when a call
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  Speaker 11: of shots fired ring out on a cold December eleventh
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  Speaker 11: and a residential neighborhood. Five gunshots are reported and a
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  Speaker 11: home is struck multiple times, but nobody is wounded. Police
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  Speaker 11: find several forty five caliber shell casings at the scene.
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  Speaker 11: Weeks later, a second shooting similar to the first takes
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  Speaker 11: place on January fifteenth, Then a third shooting on February fifth,
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  Speaker 11: and another the next day, Gary sixth. Nobody is injured
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: in the shootings, but police do find a common thread.
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: At each scene. Forty five caliber shell casings are recovered,
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: and at the last two shootings, a dark suv is
• 20:11
  Speaker 11: reported fleeing the scene.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: So police ears prick up when they start piecing together, Hey,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: some RANDO is shooting into these homes. And I'm pretty
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: sure that new Haven, Connecticut is where all a lot
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: of the rich people live and they don't take kindly
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: to people shooting into their homes. So that was investigated
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: out the ying yang even though no.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: One was harmed.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Forty five caliber shell casings, a dark suv new Haven, Connecticut,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: not far from Kevin's murder. So some RANDO shooting into
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: windows is going.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: To be really hard to find because they're not really
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: connected to any of the victims.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: That or of brand makes it so hard to find
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: a perp when they don't have any direct connection to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the victim.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: It's like a needle in a haystack.
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: That's exactly right, Nancy, the random shootings. Trying to piece
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: it together, it's hard because the only explanation you can
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: come up with at first is it's just a serial
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: shooter who doesn't care who his victims are. And that's
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: not helpful in an investigation because that doesn't produce any leads.
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: You have to be able to connect these incidents to
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: each other if you have any hope of solving the crime.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Really difficult and random shootings. So please find nothing in
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Kevin's background. So they search back into.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: The day of the shooting.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: What happened that day? They had another dead and of
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: course he was an angel.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 21:57
  Speaker 13: On February sixth, Kevin Jeong and Zion Perry spend the
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: day outdoors, ice fishing, a catch a pickerel, and cook
• 22:04
  Speaker 13: dinner together at Perry's apartment in East Rock. Jeong leaves
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: after dinner just before eight thirty pm, and it's only
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: a couple of blocks from Perry's apartment when he is
• 22:12
  Speaker 13: rear ended by another vehicle.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: A railroad track and a series of shootings tied back
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: to the death of a Yale grad student. How and why.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Railroad tracks? What railroad tracks? What does that have to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: do with Kevin getting gun down in a road race? Fit? Listen,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: what are you doing back here?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Though? I just got each here accidentally? I got stuck.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Is there any way to get stuck here.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Uh, the only thing I can do is call you
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: a tow truck.
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: Okay, cool?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Fix. So this guy is stuck on.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Railroad tracks in the snow. But what if anything, does
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that have to do with Kevin getting gunned down just
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: after he announces on Facebook he's engaged to Well, listen.
• 23:01
  Speaker 14: From the security guard. That's Simmis Medal Management. I just
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: had somebody drive through my yard here. They didn't know
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: where they was going, so I had been chosen them
• 23:11
  Speaker 14: around the yard and they just pulled away in the
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: back off the property. Took a black minivan type of thing.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So, Dave Matt, you're hearing security at Sim's Metal Management,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: and we've got surveillance video of the black suv.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Driving around and around.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It looks like a video game within the I guess
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it's the storage facility area of the metal management company.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And then he ends up somehow getting stuck on railroad tracks.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: What happened, Well, actually, it's a salvage metal operation going
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: on there. And here's the kick. It's near an interstate
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: through way, so they have a lot of people to
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: get lost. They miss their turn and we'll pull back
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: around into the south jarred area to turn around when
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: they're not quite sure where they're headed. So when he
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: calls when the security guard calls police, this is a
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: little bit different than what he has seen in the past.
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: And he tells them, Hey, they're out here driving around
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: through the lot, and he is describing how they have
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: now pulled to the back section of the lot.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: And that's what.
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: Made him worried. You know, he's been flagging this cat
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: down all the way over the parking lot and calling
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: police to say that there is a car in the
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: parking lot. Not uncommon, but this one is a little different.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: And that's where we've got the car in the snow
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: on the railroad track and stuck at the back of
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: this South Middle salvage yard.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at that body cam video again.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Look how calm and cool this guy is stuck?
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: What are you doing back here? Though? I just got
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: you here accidentally I got stuck.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Is there any ways you get stuck here?
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: The only thing I can do is call you a
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: tow truck. Okay?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Cool?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Fix Er brandt adjoining us a veteran law enforcement with
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the US Marshals and prolific author erv I wouldn't think
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: twice about this guy.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Did you see his demeanor?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: He's totally calm and kill He's like, hey, can you
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: help me? I mean, you would expect anyone involved in
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a crime to take off.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Running or at least look nervous. He's not even nervous, nothing,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: super calm.
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, It's very surprising that he could be facing
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: a law enforcement officer and be that calm about it
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: and offer up a reasonable explanation as to why he's there,
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: and then accept help from the officer and not say well,
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: I'm fine, officer, I can get out of this myself.
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: But to ask the officer for help then accept the
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: help is quite surprising in this case.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, Right after this happens, a nine one all
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: comes in from a local Arby's.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Listen he can help you. Hello, I'm working at arby
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: here in North Havens.
• 26:09
  Speaker 14: We found a gun and probably like.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Ten bucks is a.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Bullet.
• 26:16
  Speaker 13: At eleven am, as Sergeant Mills is finishing his shift,
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: a call comes into police from an employee at Arby's.
• 26:23
  Speaker 13: The employee reports finding a bag with a gun and
• 26:25
  Speaker 13: bullets inside. Sergeant Mills stops by to check out the
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: call and seize the gun and bullets, but also in
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: the bag a yellow jacket, black briefcase, and a blue
• 26:36
  Speaker 13: bag where the massachuoset's logo.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Well, Dave Matt connect the dots for me.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: So you've got pan stuck on the railroad tracks after
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: zipping around Metal Sheet Metal Company, and then a call
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: comes in from Arby's where they find a gun in
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: bullets just sitting outside. But what is the yellow jacket,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: black brief case and blue bag with a Massachusetts logo.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: On it have to do with anything everything? Nancy, Those
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: items were actually seen in the dark colored suv con
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: has stuck on the railroad tracks, and it is witnessed
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: by Sergeant Mills of the North Haven Police Department when
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: he's there trying to help him get it off the track.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: But you see the number of things inside the car
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: makes middle note. And then when the nine one one
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: call comes in from the Arby's, they only talk about
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: a gun and ammunition. It only after Sergeant Mills goes
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: to the Arby's to seem, you know, exactly for himself
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: what they're seeing. He goes, wait a minute, that yellow jacket,
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: that blue bag, that black briefcase, those were all in
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: the dark suv that I saw last night. So he's
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: the guy who ties this entire case together, Nancy, one
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: top witnessing a lot of evidence and tying it all together.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Mills, is he a detective as sergeant? What is he?
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: He's a sergeant. He's a working officer and he had
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: been on patrol tonight before when the vehicle was stuck
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: on the tracks. And to be honest, Nancy, the guy's
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: on his way home, his shift is over, but when
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: the call comes in from the Arby's, it's like, on
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: my way, I'll check it out. They're apparently very short staff.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: But anyway, he was on his way done for the
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: day when he stopped by the Arby's and that changed everything.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Do you ever wonder Peter ellikin veteran defense attorney in
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: this jurisdiction, Peter, I know you would never say this
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: in court because it's your job to attack police, but
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I know secretly you think otherwise. Why is it, Peter,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: that we always hear, oh, the cops did this, the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: cops did that. They're horrible, they're demons, blah blah. Defund police.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: If this cop as Dave Mack pointed out, who's off work,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: he's leaving.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: He goes, what a yellow jacket a bag with a
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Massachusetts logo on it?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I just saw that and this idiot's car stuck on
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the railroad tracks. If he had not put that together,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: we'd be up the creek without a battle right now.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know a lot of people misunderstand we criminal
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: defense attorneys do not hate the police.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's not about.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: You, Peter.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not asking you about how misunderstood you are. I'm
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: talking about Mills. Focus on him, not on you.
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: He did an extraordinary job here. It was basic police
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: work and be able to put two and two together,
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: and it was fortuitous. And he was the one police
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: officer there. It's North Haven, which is a different town.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: It's next to New Haven, but it's home town. But
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: it could have been almost anybody going there and not
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: having seen that car and that was stuck on the
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: tracks the night before, and so that was an incredible
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: bit of luck.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: And this police.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Officer, look shot luck.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It's police work, it's watching he's a professional observer, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: he remembers what a yellow jacket, a bag with a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Massachusetts logo on it, yes, and he puts that together.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Peter, are you sitting down right now?
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I am okay, Well we may need to lay down
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: listen to this.
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: The suv King Swan Pond stuck on the railroad tracks
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: was still its tow facility and police find out it's
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: been reported stolen from a car dealership in Malden, where
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: PWN lives. The dealership employee tells police that Pawn had
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: asked to borrow the car for a test drive and
• 30:34
  Speaker 13: never returned with the vehicle.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So the suv is stolen.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: When you have a police departments homicide unit is looking
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: for mister King Swan Pan Dat birth of four sixteen
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one. His name is spelled Qi n x
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: u An.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Last name Pam again.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: Data birth for sixteen nineteen ninety one. Mister Pong was
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: the last seen at the Western Hotel to a one
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Washington Avenue in North Haven. His last known address is
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: one thirty one correction one ninety three Clifton Street in Malden, Massachusetts.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: We know that mister Pong is a graduate of MIT
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: and has an affiliation with that university. I am asking
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: that the public knows that mister Pong should be considered
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: armed and dangerous and that he that extreme caution should
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: be used if you come in contact with this individual.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Pond is an m I graduate.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: You are just hearing him in Police Department Homicide Unit
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: putting the APB al points bulletin on Pond. And that's
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: from our friends at Fox sixty one. How can somebody
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: be so brilliant?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: This guy is an AI artificial intelligence.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Guru deep deep in AI research? Did he what he
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: thought was the perfect murder? And did he use AI
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to plan the murder? Will one tiny mistake be his undoing?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: So still, what possible motive would there be from a
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: brilliant MIT artificial intelligence.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Guru to track down and gun down described in Sunshine
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Yale Grad?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Could it be a secret obsession in.
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: An effort to try and find out more about King Shuangpong?
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: Investigators go online to find any connection The MIT grad
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: student with an expertise in AI could have to Kevin Chang.
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: Finding no connection between Pon and Xiang, detectives find Jiang's fiance,
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: Zion Perry, is a Facebook friend of Pon's. They meted
• 32:54
  Speaker 13: a Christian group when Perry attended MIT as an undergrad.
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: Nothing more than an acquaintance. When he graduated from MIT,
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: Pawn reached out and asked to video chat. Perry politely refused,
• 33:05
  Speaker 13: and there has been no other contact.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand this crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Dave mac Zion is questioned, and she never had a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: romantic relationship at all with Pan. So as police are digging, digging, digging,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: what exactly do they find?
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: They find that, yes, Zion Perry was an acquaintance upon
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: they met when she was an undergrad at MIT, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: it was nothing more than a casual acquaintance where she
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: invited him to a Christian get together on campus at MIT,
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: but she was not involved with him. She doesn't even
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: call her him a friend. Their friendship was on Facebook.
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: They were Facebook friend meaning he would see her post,
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: but she had no interest in him romantically speaking. As
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: a matter of fact, when she graduated, Pawn reached out
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: and asked if he could do a video check call
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: with her to congratulate her, and she politely refused. That
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: was their relationship. That was all there was.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Peter Ellikin, you have dealt with stalking cases and sex
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: obsession cases.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: There was no such thing here. There was never sex.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: There was never a relationious sex relationship, not even a
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: dating relationship.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: But we can't ignore Peter that they Zion and Kevin
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: announced their engagement and post the video we keep seeing, let's.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: See that again.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: We know that was posted. Then a few days later,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Kevin is gone down dead. How can this video be
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the catalyst for a murder?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Or can it?
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: One thing we've learned is that if if this guy
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: is a brilliant PhD candidate at MIT of all places,
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: and we've we've learned that the crimes kind of all
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: spectrums of society.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: It's not just poor people.
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: We've seen doctors who commit murdered, lawyers who commit murders,
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: college professors. And this may be another case where he
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: may be a brilliant in one area and yet somehow
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: there's some sort of emotional.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Pay here.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, they didn't even have sex, they didn't even kiss nothing,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: they didn't even hold hands.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: She invited him to some Christian get together. That's it,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: How can you get a sex obsession or an obsession
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: from that?
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: It is rational, there's no connection, there's nothing leading on.
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: There's really nothing to see there which would if I
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: was his defense lawyer.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: One of the first things I'd look.
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: Into, which would not necessarily go anywhere, I'd look into
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: his competency to see what kind of mental health he's
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: in place.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: You're desperate, may be nothing there, grasping straws. That's true,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: very bad as a defense.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Attorney when you have to come up with something like that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: That would be because I couldn't figure out anything else.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: It would be so irrational and crazy that I'd tell
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: I got to look into that, even if it leads
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: me nowhere.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: But that is grasping at straws.
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: Skeptical of the story Queen John Pond's parents tell them,
• 36:38
  Speaker 13: Investigators believe the parents are the key to finding their son.
• 36:42
  Speaker 13: The Pawn family has millions of dollars in assets in Shanghai,
• 36:46
  Speaker 13: and financial records show Pon's parents have been making large
• 36:49
  Speaker 13: cash withdrawals. Investigators are concerned that Pond's parents are going
• 36:53
  Speaker 13: to try to get the cash to their son so
• 36:56
  Speaker 13: he has the means to flee the country.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So Dave mac now the parents are under surveillance, and
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the mom is caught on hotel lobby surveillance borrowing the
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: phone of an employee using the employee's cell phone and
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: then immediately deleting the number.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: That's not suspicious. Okay, what happened.
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: That's exactly what happened, Nancy. They're following and watching a
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: thing is she did it in the middle of the
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: night or the early morning hours when she kind of
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: splinked her way down to the hotel clerk, he at
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: the front desk, and she uses his phone, makes the
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: call and thinks when she deletes it, she's fine. But
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: US Marshalls, now they're better than that, and they're able
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: to trace that phone call. They won't tell it us how,
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: They won't say what they did. They just said, yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: they got that deleted phone call, and it traces right
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: back to Montgomery, Alabama.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Of all places.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Erv Brandt, you have spent your career chasing down criminals
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: all over the world like a legally sanctioned bounty hunter.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So what did US Marshalls go through trying to find
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: pan Nancy.
• 38:06
  Speaker 10: The fugitive when he's on the run has to have
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: a support network, and the sport network is normally made
• 38:13
  Speaker 10: up of people that the fugitive trust the most, and
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: in most cases that's going to be family. So the
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: Marshall Service focused on the family, and that's exactly what happened.
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: By surveillance. They watched and watched and watched, and finally
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: caught a break in the case that led them to
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: where the fugitive was hiding in Montgomery, Alabama.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So all the way to Montgomery, Alabama is very reminiscent
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: of Scott Peterson, who was found with thousands of dollars
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: of cash. He had changed his appearance, dyeing his hair
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and growing the goateee. He had his brothers fake ID.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: He had his brother's ID and he was using it
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: as a fake. He had tons of viagra, camping equipment
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and water filtration system. And when Pan is found in Montgomery,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Alabama in a boarding house, he has twenty thousand dollars
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: worth cash, multiple communication devices, seven SIM cards.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And more.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: This guy on the run, including a fake passport cheap
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: ready to get that. That said, the one thing that
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: an AI guru artificial intelligence couldn't foresee is his mother.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: The involvement of his.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Mother, because Peter Ellicott, every time anybody goes missing, we
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: have a bond for for tour or there's a future
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: on the run.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Where's the first place you look, Peter?
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: They usually it's so silly.
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  Speaker 8: But they usually head for home is the first place,
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: or with close friends. But they usually go to some
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: place really familiator and like the people.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: From every time.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I would have a bond forfeiture, a whole calendar, not
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: a plan arrayment, not a trial calendar, a bond forfeiture calendar.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I turn around and say, go look under mommy's bed
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: right now, I'm striking a jury. Sure enough, they go
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: look under mommy's bed or in the closet, and there
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: would be the purp hiding out at mommy's Even AI can't.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Fathom what mommy is going to do. And here Mommy
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: called Pan.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I want you to speaking of mothers, I want you
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: to hear the victim's mother, Linda lou.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Ta give me a lot of joy.
• 40:43
  Speaker 12: He's they so the full warmer boy picking of me,
• 40:49
  Speaker 12: and I missed him.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: That's my friends.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: At forty eight hours after Kevin's mother spoke, the judge
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: brings down the ham Listen.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I wanted to address Pan specifically.
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  Speaker 7: Although your sentence is far less than you deserve, there
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: is also mercy.
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: May God have mercy on you, and may He have
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: mercy on all of us.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Seems like everybody in the core room, is all about mercy.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Pan of course can seek mercy and seek redemption, but
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: it's my theory he is better set to do that
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: in the penitentiary. We wait as justice un false, and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: fully expect Pan to contest his plea. Nancy Gray signing off,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: goodbye friend.