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Colin Cowherd Interview 2018 · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast part of the Volume
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Speaker 1: Podcast Network.
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Speaker 2: I'm Chad Molman of the Action Network.
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Speaker 3: Hi everybody, This is producer Matt Mitchell. Chad and Simon
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Speaker 3: are still on vacation, so today I've got a special
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Speaker 3: treat for you. Seven years ago this week, shortly after
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Speaker 3: the creation of the Action Network and long before the
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Speaker 3: advent of the Volume Podcast Network, Chad Moman welcome to
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Speaker 3: his longtime friend Colin Cowhard onto the podcast. The Favorites
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Speaker 3: was called The Buffet at the time, and PASPA had
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Speaker 3: just been repealed by the US Supreme Court, opening the
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Speaker 3: floodgates for legalization of sports betting nationwide. In this episode,
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Speaker 3: you'll hear Chad and Colin discuss the future of sports
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Speaker 3: betting content. We'll learn why Colin hates too many choices,
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Speaker 3: how he approaches building a TV show, and a whole
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Speaker 3: lot more. I hope you enjoy it. The show is
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Speaker 3: off on Thursday, so on behalf of everyone here at
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Speaker 3: the Favorites Podcast. We wish you a very happy, healthy
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Speaker 3: and profitable Independence Day and happy Birthday America. Enjoy.
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Speaker 1: I have a good friend who also is probably the
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Speaker 1: most talented radio host and you can include sports and
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Speaker 1: nonsports in that. Working in the biz today, my former
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Speaker 1: cast mate at ESPN, who I was on a show
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Speaker 1: with for two years now at Fox starring on all
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Speaker 1: various platforms for Fox Sports, mister Colin Cowherd.
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Speaker 4: How you doing, buddy, Hey, how are you doing? I'm
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Speaker 4: doing great, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: We got so much exciting stuff to talk about because
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Speaker 1: you and I have been talking about sports betting in
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Speaker 1: the mainstream space.
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Speaker 2: Honest to God.
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Speaker 1: We probably became friends in like twenty eleven when I
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Speaker 1: moved with the magazine of Bristol and we would talk
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Speaker 1: about it on your show. And then we were doing
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Speaker 1: Collins Football Show on Sunday Meet You and Tom Model,
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Speaker 1: which was fun, so fun, maybe the greatest professional experience
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Speaker 1: any of us.
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Speaker 4: It still ranks is the most fun I've ever had
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Speaker 4: in my career. It was so fun.
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Speaker 2: I mean that show, honest to guy.
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Speaker 1: You know, there are times, you know, because we are
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Speaker 1: starting something brand ne who had Action Network, and honest
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Speaker 1: to God, like I am shooting this in our studio
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Speaker 1: which doubles as our conference room, and it is not
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Speaker 1: all that dissimilar from the studio we had for Collins
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Speaker 1: Football Show. It is like a converted closet.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of a I'm kind of
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Speaker 4: a believer in if you can't be. We knew the
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Speaker 4: show was never going to be anfl Live, so once
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Speaker 4: you know you're not it wasn't a ratings play. What
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Speaker 4: it was going to be is kind of an iconoclastic, weird,
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Speaker 4: contrarian play. And we went into that show with a
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Speaker 4: perfect mindset of let's do a show where a guy
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Speaker 4: wakes up on Sunday and what would he laugh at.
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Speaker 4: We had cartoons on that damn show because once you
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Speaker 4: get out of the pressure of okay, it's Sports Center six,
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Speaker 4: you got to get a rating. We knew we were
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Speaker 4: on Sunday morning, right, So once you're out of that space,
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Speaker 4: you get all this freedom to just be goofy and funny.
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Speaker 4: And I thought it was such a liberating fun show.
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Speaker 2: It really was.
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Speaker 1: What the best part about it was there were times
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Speaker 1: where I would be sitting with you at the desk,
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Speaker 1: or Wattle would be sitting with you at the desk,
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Speaker 1: or you would be doing your monologue, and people would
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Speaker 1: just we would just start yelling at each other, cat
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Speaker 1: calling either a comment like there were so many times
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Speaker 1: where I would like say something to you about a game,
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Speaker 1: and we had this segment where like you'd ask me,
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Speaker 1: what are the wise guys thinking? And I tell you
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Speaker 1: if you were right or wrong based on your premise,
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Speaker 1: and like Wattle would just come in from left field
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Speaker 1: with the strangest comments as if like we were listening
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Speaker 1: to him, as if we were sitting in someone's living room.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's the one thing I miss about doing local
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Speaker 4: radio is that you could burn segments on just goofiness.
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Speaker 4: And now every segment I do, I mean it's charted graft,
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Speaker 4: but that there's a number to it. It's sponsored. So
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Speaker 4: it's a bit reductive where you're doing the same kind
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Speaker 4: of stuff and you have to talk about all the
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Speaker 4: big brands Lebron Brady, NFL, NBA. But there is a
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Speaker 4: freedom when you're not playing in the big rating space
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Speaker 4: that you can just be fun and funds an important
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Speaker 4: part of our business.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever get sick of having to play in
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Speaker 2: the big rating space?
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Speaker 4: Well, I do find Again the word I would use
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Speaker 4: is reductive. I do find that once you go to
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Speaker 4: television and that's big boy business, and I'm in a
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Speaker 4: spot now where you know, I'm trying to get numbers.
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Speaker 4: I'm competing against the goliath that I do the same
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Speaker 4: topics over and over. It's my responsibility to make them
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Speaker 4: as interesting as I can. But that's you know, you
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Speaker 4: can't do lacrosse topics, you can't do top ten sports
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Speaker 4: movie topics. And some of that is a good need
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Speaker 4: that you can do that in local radio. You can
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Speaker 4: even do it and syndicate it occasionally during the summer,
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Speaker 4: but then you know it's just part and parcely you
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Speaker 4: want to you want to play in the bigger space.
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Speaker 4: That's that's what you gotta do. You got to talk
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Speaker 4: about mostly the big.
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Speaker 2: Stuff You've talked a lot about.
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Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about this and it was brilliant
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Speaker 1: constructing a show sort of like there's a tree that
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Speaker 1: you're creating and then there are sort of branches that
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Speaker 1: come off of, but you always sort of have that
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Speaker 1: tree explain to people, like what your philosophy is.
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Speaker 4: There in My philosophy for twenty years has always been
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Speaker 4: when a hurricane hits, the Weather Channel drops all the
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Speaker 4: rest of its new its weather coverage. They talk about
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Speaker 4: only the hurricane. MSNBC only talked about Trump. Why do
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Speaker 4: I have to talk about a bunch of stuff. It
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Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense because when I go to a bar,
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Speaker 4: a restaurant, a movie theater, at grocery store, nobody asked
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Speaker 4: me about anything other than NFL, Lebron and major topics.
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Speaker 4: So I'm a believer in you have to go into
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Speaker 4: shows with two trees and the trunk is you know, Brady.
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Speaker 4: If there's a controversy and the trunk of the tree
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Speaker 4: is Lebron, it's my job to create branches off each
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Speaker 4: But this idea that you can go into a show
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Speaker 4: and have twelve topics, those shows don't get ratings when
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Speaker 4: Lebron goes to the Lakers. If he does, I'm going
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Speaker 4: to talk about that for three hours, for three straight days.
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Speaker 4: The key is, can I give you seven branches? Seven
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Speaker 4: unique angles on it? But you know, the Weather Channel
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Speaker 4: never has to apologize for staying on storms. Fox and
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Speaker 4: MSNBC never apologize for staying on Trump. Why do I
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Speaker 4: have to apologize? Because I don't cover regular season baseball,
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Speaker 4: which nobody wants to talk about.
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Speaker 1: So how much time do you have to spend thinking
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Speaker 1: about what those seven branches are going to be?
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Speaker 4: All day? To my life? I do two and a
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Speaker 4: half hours of prep every day, which is you know,
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Speaker 4: three hour show, two and a half hours of prep.
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Speaker 4: And I get in the car going home and keep
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Speaker 4: a notepad with me at all times, and you know,
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Speaker 4: two or three times during the course of a day
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Speaker 4: if something pops in my head down and you know,
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Speaker 4: it doesn't mean I'm obsessing about it, but I always
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Speaker 4: keep a pin in my pocket or near me, so
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Speaker 4: if something pops into my head and I'm like, that's
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Speaker 4: an interesting branch of that. But it's actually made my
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Speaker 4: job easier over time because I don't cover forty eight
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Speaker 4: college football teams. I keep my eye on about eight.
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Speaker 4: And I don't cover every NFL team. I keep my
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Speaker 4: eye about ten. I keep my eye about six NBA
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Speaker 4: teams and about twelve players. And it's an easier way
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Speaker 4: to do it. And this idea that you touch all
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Speaker 4: the bases, it's just not true. Television is redundant and
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Speaker 4: it's repetition. That's just the reality of the business. That's
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Speaker 4: what it is. Weather Channel, Fox, MSNBC. I think one
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Speaker 4: of the problems with ESPN now Chad, they don't know
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Speaker 4: what they are. Are you doing journalism? Are you doing opinion.
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Speaker 4: Are you doing highlights at Fox Sports one? We do
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Speaker 4: strong opinions on a small number of topics and we
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Speaker 4: should never apologize for it.
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Speaker 1: All right, So that is a great transition to gambling,
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Speaker 1: because you and I have talked about this a bunch.
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Speaker 1: You started doing gambling on your radio show Wrong before
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Speaker 1: anybody else was doing it, and you spoke about it.
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Speaker 1: You're going to make picks, You're going to have people
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Speaker 1: on who are going to talk about it. Then we
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Speaker 1: did it on the TV show, and you've continued to
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Speaker 1: do it at sort of in your new role at Fox,
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Speaker 1: your relatively new role. What do you think happens to
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Speaker 1: your show and what do you think happens to the
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Speaker 1: media writ large when gambling becomes a much more popular thing.
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Speaker 4: You know, I have a theory on this, and I'm
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Speaker 4: going to throw it to you. I think there's going
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Speaker 4: to be a lot of mistakes made. So even when
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Speaker 4: I do Blazing five, I've always tried to make it entertaining.
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Speaker 4: I want it to be good TV before it's good gambling.
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Speaker 4: Now I want to get my picks right, don't get
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Speaker 4: me wrong. I want to go three and two or
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Speaker 4: four and one every week and I take pride. I've
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Speaker 4: never been fifty five percent. I did have one great
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Speaker 4: year I was like sixty two. But I try to
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Speaker 4: be in that fifty five to sixty one percent, and
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Speaker 4: I feel very If I go three and two every week,
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Speaker 4: I'm I think that's about as good as a schmuck
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Speaker 4: like me can do. And I do my homework on
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Speaker 4: the picks. But I think there's gonna be a lot
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Speaker 4: of mistakes made. I think people are going to forget
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Speaker 4: a tenant of television, even the Weather Channel. Okay, let's
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Speaker 4: go to let's go to the Weather Channel. The most
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Speaker 4: popular person on the Weather Channel Jim Cantore because he's
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Speaker 4: the most entertaining, and even on Fox News, which does
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Speaker 4: harsh criticism, Bill O'Reilly was the most popular because the
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Speaker 4: show had the most little goofy crazy things in it.
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Speaker 4: Best word of the day, funny arguments. When you do
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Speaker 4: these gambling shows, they've got to be good television first. Okay,
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Speaker 4: don't give me numbers, nerds, give me good TV people
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Speaker 4: who who get the numbers, because the gamblers going to
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Speaker 4: watch the stuff regardless. A golfer is gonna watch golf
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Speaker 4: regardless when golf pops is when they have Tiger when
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Speaker 4: they have a TV star. So when these shows come out,
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Speaker 4: everybody's going to be into them. Numbers numbers, numbers, numbers.
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Speaker 4: The winner will be the the wildly entertaining TV personality
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Speaker 4: who can figure out the numbers and talk so the
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Speaker 4: layman can get it and guys like you can respect it.
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Speaker 4: That will be the key in this space, not getting
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Speaker 4: the hardcore numbers guy, getting the guy that's funny, smart
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Speaker 4: and does get the numbers. And that's my belief ten
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Speaker 4: years will look back that the companies that go into
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Speaker 4: really like you know, super uber heavy gaming expert over
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Speaker 4: entertaining person who can talk gaming, they will lose. You
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Speaker 4: still have to entertain people. How's that our theory?
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Speaker 2: How long I like? I like the theory. Leave in
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Speaker 2: the theory. I'm trying to execute on.
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Speaker 1: The theory with what we're doing Action Network and you're
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Speaker 1: you know, by the way, everyone's listening to the podcast
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Speaker 1: Actionnetwork dot Com. Go to the Action Network, to the
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Speaker 1: buffet page on iTunes. You subscribe, you rate, you review,
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Speaker 1: you unsubscribe, you resubscribe. Let's push this puppy. That's all
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Speaker 1: we can do is push. But uh yeah, I agree
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Speaker 1: with you. It's what I've always believed when I was
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Speaker 1: doing it at ESPN, and now that we're doing it here,
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Speaker 1: we're hiring people who know how to translate and keep
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Speaker 1: people entertained and educate.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're putting cheese on the broccoli. You know
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's why our Sunday show worked because it was
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Speaker 4: entertaining first, and then give you a real, real data.
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Speaker 4: We used to keep your picks to the end, so
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Speaker 4: it was funny, it was goofy, we laughed, we had cartoons. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: but in the end we got this really smart guy, Chad,
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Speaker 4: And even with the sense of humor, you gave us
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Speaker 4: real data. And so you know, the other thing is
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Speaker 4: I've always thought that I'm best served as a liison
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Speaker 4: between people like you who are really smart and the public.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be as First of all, I
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Speaker 4: couldn't be as smart as you. But I don't want
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Speaker 4: to be an expert in gambling. What I want to
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Speaker 4: be is no enough. I want to be able to
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Speaker 4: talk a little bit of your language. But I also
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Speaker 4: when I talk to you, Chad, want to say something
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Speaker 4: that you go, God, that is such a that is
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Speaker 4: such a mark because I got to be a dope.
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Speaker 4: I got to be closer to be an adope than
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Speaker 4: an expert, because I am the public. I am the consumer.
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Speaker 4: So when I would bring you on the show and
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Speaker 4: there were five picks, and two of them, You're like,
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Speaker 4: that's a really good that's pretty good, and then two
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Speaker 4: of them, I was like, who, you're a mark, and
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Speaker 4: then one of them. We can go back and forth.
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Speaker 4: But I've always felt my job in this gambling stuff,
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Speaker 4: I'll be the mark. I want to be able to
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Speaker 4: talk a little bit of gambling lexicon, but I don't
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Speaker 4: want to become come across as expert, because I don't
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Speaker 4: think that's any fun for the consumer and the audience
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Speaker 4: they want to play. I want them to feel like
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Speaker 4: they're kind of me, where they think they know a
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Speaker 4: little bit more than they do, but they're certainly not
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Speaker 4: an expert.
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Speaker 1: I will say the most fun on the show is
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Speaker 1: always when you would give me an opinion that I
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Speaker 1: thought was just so awful, and I would tell you
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Speaker 1: how awful it was, your face and your eyes like
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Speaker 1: would contort into this look and like watta would start
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Speaker 1: yelling in the background, and also everyone in the control
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Speaker 1: room would start yelling, and I'm like, I'm thinking, like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, that is a face that I don't
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Speaker 1: think I could ever make.
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Speaker 2: That's like a Jim Carrey face right there, right, you
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Speaker 2: know what?
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Speaker 4: To me? The fun in it, And I've been doing
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Speaker 4: the blazing five thing forever, the fun gambling, which is
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Speaker 4: really cool. I always learned something. I always learn something
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Speaker 4: from a sharp. You're a sharp, and it's it's amazing
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Speaker 4: my instincts. I have two or three believe the only
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Speaker 4: sport I ever really care about betting would be NFL.
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Speaker 4: I've got a few bowl games, but mostly the NFL.
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Speaker 4: And I've always had two or three theories and they've
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Speaker 4: served me well. Like, well, my first theory is if
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Speaker 4: a team that was humiliated, if a team has a
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Speaker 4: capable quarterback, I'm talking about you know, like about eighteen
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Speaker 4: teams in the league, if they get humiliated on national TV,
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Speaker 4: take them the next week. Because it's not college football
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Speaker 4: where you get humiliated because you lack personnel. Teams are injured,
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Speaker 4: teams aren't prepared, the game plan doesn't work. If a
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Speaker 4: big band gets humiliated, if a Matt Ryan gets humiliated,
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Speaker 4: always always look for that number the minute it comes
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Speaker 4: out the following week because the public sells very quickly
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Speaker 4: on big TV games. If a team looks like crap,
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Speaker 4: I'm mind that football, the public's off them, but that
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Speaker 4: team usually comes back and plays their ass off. So
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Speaker 4: that's just been one of my goofy theories forever and
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Speaker 4: it made me nothing. But I have two or three
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Speaker 4: little theories and that's just one of them.
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Speaker 2: You almost nailed the theory. You almost got it exactly right.
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Speaker 4: Kay Tonaler.
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Speaker 2: The big team, the big.
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Speaker 1: Team that gets killed on national television, and you know
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Speaker 1: the public is going to be betting against them, and
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Speaker 1: that you got it almost there. And then at the
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Speaker 1: very end you're like, and you know that team is
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Speaker 1: going to come back strong because they got humiliated.
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Speaker 2: That's not why you bet the team.
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Speaker 1: You bet the team because the bookmakers are going to
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Speaker 1: overcompensate because they know how they can set the line
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Speaker 1: and they can fade that team in a way that
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Speaker 1: makes it much more of an advantage for the sharp
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Speaker 1: betters to bet on that team, because the pointspread is
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Speaker 1: not going to be as much value on the on
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Speaker 1: the favorite in that particular in that particular spot.
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Speaker 2: That's why you do it.
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Speaker 1: It's not because you think they're going to be more motivated,
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Speaker 1: it's because the value is going to be in the pointspread.
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Speaker 2: It's priced better.
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Speaker 4: Let me think of my other big theory I use.
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Speaker 4: That's one of the Oh, here's the other one is
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Speaker 4: that that's my first one. Good look very hard at
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Speaker 4: teams that got crossed the week before, as long as
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Speaker 4: they have a capable quarterback. The second thing is there's
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Speaker 4: always one really double digit line every week, and I
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Speaker 4: immediately take it off the board. That's the one game
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Speaker 4: I refuse to bet. I just take it off the
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Speaker 4: word because they're trap bets, and I hate betting a
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Speaker 4: game where I know I have to root for an
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Speaker 4: inferior product. I'm not going to root for a thirteen
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Speaker 4: point dog to hit a field goal late, so I
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Speaker 4: always take the thirteen and a half points bread. I'm like,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to watch that game, and I don't
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Speaker 4: want to have to ever ever watch a crappy team
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Speaker 4: hopefully cover back door. So my two rules, take a
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Speaker 4: good team that gets smoked and just take the big
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Speaker 4: double digit number and throw it away. I review. Now
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Speaker 4: that's a bad because the truth is the underdog historically
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Speaker 4: generally covers over twelve points right, Yes, yeah, I should.
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Speaker 4: That'd be the first I bet. Some one is the
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Speaker 4: one I always find it as a trap bet.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I gave you like a golden nugget
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Speaker 1: to elevate your first theory, and you just glossed over it.
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Speaker 1: Move down to the second one is if I as
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Speaker 1: if I hadn't even said anything, then get involved in
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Speaker 1: the conversation.
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Speaker 4: No, your first your first one was right. I consumed
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Speaker 4: your take, and you were right, and I just promptly
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Speaker 4: moved and segue to a second take. I didn't belittle it.
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Speaker 4: I simply consumed it and acknowledged that your your acumen's
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Speaker 4: much greater than mine.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate the consumption I do.
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Speaker 1: The second one is interesting because you're right, You're only
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Speaker 1: like to me, those are always the games that I
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Speaker 1: look at first, Like I'm gonna look at that double
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Speaker 1: digit spread.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna see that even though.
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Speaker 1: It's a double digit spread, eighty percent of the money
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Speaker 1: is still going to come in on that favorite. And
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Speaker 1: I am absolutely one hundred percent gonna bet on that
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Speaker 1: double digit dog. It's like for years, you know, we
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Speaker 1: used to talk about this show, and like every single
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Speaker 1: week we would do this. On the show, we would
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Speaker 1: talk about the Jaguars. The Jaguars are twelve point underdogs today.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are too touched on underdogs today, and every
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Speaker 1: single week you'd be like, how could I take the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, everybody who's a wise guy is taking the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars because historically that's where the value is going to be.
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Speaker 1: That's just it's Covering two touchdowns in the NFL is
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Speaker 1: a really hard thing to do. It's like covering twenty
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Speaker 1: eight points in college football.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, then I'm stuck watching Blake Bortles three years ago
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Speaker 4: trying to beat Pittsburgh. I just hate watching that. That's
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Speaker 4: another reason I don't but underdogs in college football. I
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Speaker 4: hate rooting for crap. I hate having my money on crap.
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Speaker 4: That's my dad's stockbroker advice. I don't. I like buying excellence,
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Speaker 4: I like watching excellence. I hate betting on crap and
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Speaker 4: hoping crap is just good enough to cover. I hate that.
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Speaker 1: See, but I think that is a particular mindset of yours,
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Speaker 1: as someone who you like sports, but you are also practical,
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Speaker 1: and you think about everything we do from a consumerism
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Speaker 1: perspective and as a product. Right, the way you frame
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Speaker 1: your shows, whether it's television or radio, all of the
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Speaker 1: businesses that you're invested in, you think about. It's a
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Speaker 1: very clear sort of consumer service oriented relationship. So you
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Speaker 1: think to yourself, I wouldn't put on crap. No one's
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Speaker 1: going to want crap from me. So it discussed you
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Speaker 1: to have to have to put forth effort to watch
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Speaker 1: crap or potentially lose money on crap. I think that
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Speaker 1: is an entire sort of you are offended by that sensibility.
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Speaker 4: That's right. That doesn't make it a smart betting move.
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Speaker 4: My mom said something to me thirty years ago by
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Speaker 4: my dad. She said, your dad's not really and I
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Speaker 4: don't even know where this came from, but she goes,
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Speaker 4: your dad's not really a quantity guy. He's a quality guy.
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Speaker 4: And she said your dad had three suits. They were gorgeous.
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Speaker 4: He never believed in having ten average suits. And we
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Speaker 4: just got into the discussion. She goes, your dad had
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Speaker 4: three cars in his life. He lived to be seventy five.
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Speaker 4: He had three cars in his life. He was never
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Speaker 4: Your dad believed in spartan furniture, one nice house, cup,
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Speaker 4: nice suits. He wasn't a big consumer. He just believed in,
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Speaker 4: you know, go on two vacations a year that are great,
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Speaker 4: not four that are average. And so I think I
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Speaker 4: got that a little bit from my dad. I'm not
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Speaker 4: a stuff guy like you know. A prime example is
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Speaker 4: I'd never I try not to go on Twitter too
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Speaker 4: much except for to down to retweet stuff. I've already
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Speaker 4: done edited versions of my TV show or radio show
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Speaker 4: because I think. I don't think most consumers are on Twitter.
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Speaker 4: My friends aren't on Twitter. The media is, so I
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Speaker 4: think it's just a lot of noise with very little impact.
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Speaker 4: I always believe simple in a more complicated world, simplicity
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Speaker 4: makes me happier. Like the world offers you a million choices,
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Speaker 4: that's just more anxiety. I still have a peanut butter
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Speaker 4: and jelly sandwich four days a week when I go
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Speaker 4: home after work. Like the more complicated the world gets,
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Speaker 4: the simpler I.
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Speaker 2: Get peanut butter and jelly every Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I just it's the same crap everybody. Oh,
20:56
Speaker 4: I gotta kale this, and I gotta kale that. I've
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Speaker 4: never eaten fewer things than I eat now, and there's
21:02
Speaker 4: never been more choices. I think all I think choice
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Speaker 4: is equal anxiety, and I don't like anxiety, so I
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Speaker 4: talk fewer topics. I eat eight to twelve things on
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Speaker 4: a repeat basis. I go to by the way, I
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Speaker 4: have a vacation home. I mostly go to it only
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Speaker 4: maybe one exception a year. My life gets simpler the
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Speaker 4: more stuff I have around me. I don't even know
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Speaker 4: how I got off into this tangent, but that's hell.
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Speaker 4: I don't even know where. This is just the way
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Speaker 4: that my show is. I just start rambling. I don't
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Speaker 4: even know what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: What else do you? What else are you eating? Other
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Speaker 2: than peanut butter and jelly?
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Speaker 4: I have oatmeal every morning with peanut butter and a
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Speaker 4: kale shake.
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Speaker 2: So do I, by the way, oatmeal and peanut butter
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Speaker 2: every day.
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Speaker 4: Yep. I have a soup for lunch, mostly beans. I
21:49
Speaker 4: have a piece of fish or a piece of meat
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Speaker 4: every night with a salad, one cocktail, watch a little
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Speaker 4: sports bed, rinse and repeat. That's my life's I'm a
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Speaker 4: very boring guy, Casley mixing this this. I'm a very
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Speaker 4: boring boring I'd be there's a lot of jobs i'd
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Speaker 4: be terrible at.
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Speaker 1: You're at the pinnacle of your career. This is when
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Speaker 1: you should be going out blowing it all. Like your
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Speaker 1: kids are getting older, You've like got a nice, comfortable life.
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Speaker 1: You should not be living the life sort of a
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Speaker 1: monastic lifestyle.
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Speaker 4: I know, Listen, I'm not gonna say I've never fantasized
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Speaker 4: about wild, crazy lifestyle things. But that's just not who
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Speaker 4: I am. It's just not my DNA. So and I
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Speaker 4: also think you start believing the hype fly in private,
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Speaker 4: you start going to bougie and I think you lose yourself.
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Speaker 4: And so I tell my wife this all the time.
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Speaker 4: Is I don't want to I don't want to be private.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be this. This, this be among
22:51
Speaker 4: the people relate to people. Media people make a lot
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Speaker 4: of money. They put big fences up. I have neighbors
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Speaker 4: jammed all over me. I'm at the dog park every morning.
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Speaker 4: I think you can lose yourself very easily the richer
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Speaker 4: you get, because the richer you get to let you know,
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Speaker 4: you can have people do stuff for you. Like I
23:06
Speaker 4: go to the grocery store every day every day. I
23:09
Speaker 4: know people that don't refuse to go to the grocery store. Ah,
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have it delivered. I want to go there
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Speaker 4: every day again. I don't even know how why I'm
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Speaker 4: talking about this.
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Speaker 2: I'm just talking oat Wheetle's not going to buy itself,
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 4: Okay, I got my wife's texting me here. You got
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Speaker 4: anything else?
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Speaker 2: Milman? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I actually have the actual question, which is, like, all right,
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Speaker 1: if you played the segment you bet your life, you
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Speaker 1: talked about your dad. I know how important like family
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Speaker 1: was to you growing up. What was the biggest rich
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Speaker 1: you took in your life?
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Speaker 2: And what happened?
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Speaker 4: I left college early that twelve credit shy. I got
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Speaker 4: the phone call. I went to the Baseball winter meetings,
23:42
Speaker 4: got home and the Las Vegas Stars Don Logan called
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Speaker 4: me and said, do you want a job? And I
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Speaker 4: looked at my mom and I said, I'm twelve credit shy.
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Speaker 4: What should I do? And she said, I'm not going
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Speaker 4: to tell you. She said, you're going to tell yourself
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Speaker 4: what to do. And I left without a degree. And
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Speaker 4: it was the best move I ever made. I bet
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Speaker 4: on myself. I didn't think I was going to get
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Speaker 4: that opportunity to go from college to a triple A announcing job.
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Speaker 4: I mean, guys are in this business ten years before
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Speaker 4: they get to Triple A baseball, and it was the
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Speaker 4: best Triple A city. It was Vegas. So I bet
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Speaker 4: on myself and I said, I'm going to leave college
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Speaker 4: early twelve credit shy and I'm going to go sell
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Speaker 4: minor league baseball and I'm going to do an inning
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Speaker 4: of play by play. And I just bet on myself
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Speaker 4: and it was the best move I ever made. I
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Speaker 4: parlayed that into a TV job. I parlayed that into
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Speaker 4: a TV career in a radio career, and it really
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Speaker 4: came down to a very simple thing. I just didn't
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Speaker 4: think I would get that good of an offer at
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Speaker 4: my age and my lack of experience, and I thought,
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Speaker 4: I can always go back to college. Las Vegas is
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Speaker 4: never going to offer me a Triple A play by
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Speaker 4: play job. This is usually end up in like Amarillo
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Speaker 4: or Midland, Texas. I'm like, I got to go for it.
24:57
Speaker 4: And it was a big risk, Like a lot of
24:58
Speaker 4: people are like, what are you doing. You don't have
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Speaker 4: a degree, and I was like, dude, I can get
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Speaker 4: a degree later, I can't get the Vegas job later.
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Speaker 4: And it turned out to be some of my best
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Speaker 4: friends or in that town. And you know, I don't
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Speaker 4: consider myself a huge risk taker, but that was a risk.
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Speaker 1: Well, I would say you are a huge risk taker,
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Speaker 1: because when is the next time you didn't bet on
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Speaker 1: yourself that You're like, that was a screw up. I
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Speaker 1: should have totally done that.
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Speaker 4: I think it did something to me. It gave me confidence.
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Speaker 4: And at the time I didn't have a ton It
25:26
Speaker 4: was just a goofy college kid and I didn't really
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Speaker 4: know what I was doing. And then when I succeeded,
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Speaker 4: there's a domino effect like, hey, I can do this again.
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Speaker 4: And I did it about four or five more times
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Speaker 4: in my life where you know, like I left ESPN,
25:39
Speaker 4: they offered me a bunch of money. It was the
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Speaker 4: big network, and I went to a startup and it's
25:43
Speaker 4: been great. It's like almost like playing the US Opening Golf.
25:46
Speaker 4: You want to start really good on Thursday, because it
25:48
Speaker 4: lends itself to a good Friday, a good Saturday. If
25:50
Speaker 4: you really go into the tank on if you're shooting
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Speaker 4: nine over on Thursday, you're screwed. And I'm a big
25:56
Speaker 4: believer in momentum, and it gave me kind of life
25:59
Speaker 4: professional moment that it's been going ever since.
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Speaker 2: Well, I know what it's like to leave ESPN and
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Speaker 2: go work at a startup.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. But by the way, when you start kicking butt
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Speaker 4: here and you're already are, you'll this will not be
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Speaker 4: the last place in the world you work. My wife
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Speaker 4: always tells me that now. She's like, you're a young
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Speaker 4: fifty four. She goes, you think it's seventy four, you're
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Speaker 4: gonna be doing the herds. She goes, proy not And
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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, you're right, Py.
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Speaker 2: Not seventy four.
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Speaker 1: You're just gonna be hanging out in your house, eating
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Speaker 1: no meal in kale all day.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: Wondering, wondering maybe I should have bet on those underdogs
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Speaker 1: because I have.
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Speaker 4: So much more money. All Right, Melman, I gotta get
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Speaker 4: out of here. I gotta go on prep for another
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Speaker 4: one of the shows I'm on.
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Speaker 2: All right, Thanks for coming on, brother, I'll talk to
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Speaker 2: you later.
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