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Killer Thriller: How the Central Park Five Case Destroyed Korey Wise’s Life · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ.
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Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. Hey everyone,
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Speaker 2: Elisa Donovan here and welcome back to Killer Thriller. Today,
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Speaker 2: we're continuing our conversation with Emmy winning actor Jerrelle Jerome
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Speaker 2: about When They See Us, the powerful Netflix dramatization of
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Speaker 2: the Central Park five case created by Ava du Verne.
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Speaker 2: Here's part two of our interview. Okay, let's talk for
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Speaker 2: a second about the fourth episode of this series, which
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Speaker 2: is the final one, and I personally feel like it's
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Speaker 2: maybe one of the most powerful ninety minutes of film
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Speaker 2: that I've maybe ever seen, and it's for.
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Speaker 1: A million reasons.
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Speaker 2: You know, the violence, the injustice, the heartbreaking scenes with
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Speaker 2: Corey's mom, the kindness of the guard. It's like it
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Speaker 2: covers like a multitude of things. So did filming it
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Speaker 2: feel separate from the rest completely?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Completely. I really was blessed to be the one
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Speaker 3: cast member who got to play both, so I played
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Speaker 3: an old. It was crazy that I got that opportunity,
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Speaker 3: but it forced me to completely separate the two in
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Speaker 3: my head. So I actually shot the first two episodes
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Speaker 3: while I was working out and wearing big clothes, and
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Speaker 3: then while they were shooting episode three, I went hard
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Speaker 3: in the gym to put on at least like three
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Speaker 3: to four pounds, so so heavier. And I came back
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Speaker 3: ten days later to shoot episode four. So it was
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Speaker 3: like maybe twenty days of episode one and two, then
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Speaker 3: a ten day break, and that ten day break was
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Speaker 3: gearing up for what I knew was going to be
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Speaker 3: episode four, because we shot it five days. I think
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Speaker 3: we shot it from a Monday to Friday, all of
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Speaker 3: those scenes.
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Speaker 1: You see that whole in five days?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because the whole shoot. Yeah, yeah, because I did
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Speaker 3: the whole thing in a month, So I have to
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Speaker 3: have just been about five days. The craziest week ever.
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Speaker 3: I'm fifteen hour days. I probably woke up at four am,
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Speaker 3: got back home around nine pm, woke up or five
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Speaker 3: times straight. It helped a lot with what I was
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Speaker 3: going through. You know, Corey didn't sleep much. Corey didn't
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Speaker 3: get the time right Jelena's apartment bed, so it helped.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it felt like it was very intense, especially
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Speaker 3: for me because I didn't have any scene partners. I
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Speaker 3: spent a lot of those times alone.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, talk about that.
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Speaker 2: If they really do a beautiful I mean, Avid de
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Speaker 2: Verne has just done another I don't even know how
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Speaker 2: to talk about her. She's so extraordinary. But those they
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Speaker 2: really try to reveal and do what it might be
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Speaker 2: like to be in solitary and how that could be
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Speaker 2: the how that could be the better choice.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that was the thing about him choosing, of
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Speaker 3: him being in solitary, is he chose it. He chose
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Speaker 3: it to protect himself. The thing about being in prison,
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Speaker 3: and I think we all know this. You don't have
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Speaker 3: to go to prison or know that the person who's
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Speaker 3: most likely to get hurt in prison is a sex
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Speaker 3: offender and somebody who targets women. So these men in
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Speaker 3: prison thought Corey was guilty, and so they were at
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Speaker 3: any chance they could trying to teach him a lesson,
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Speaker 3: to the point where he asked the guard if he
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Speaker 3: can do solitary. And Corey ended up spending about four
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Speaker 3: years straight in solitary, okay, just to himself, throwing out
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Speaker 3: his hair, working out and god, ye it gets heavy
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Speaker 3: to talk about.
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Speaker 2: Did he talk at all about how you know, I
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Speaker 2: don't even know how to phrase this, like, how can
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Speaker 2: he talk about the psychological impacts that it's had on
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Speaker 2: him or is it so?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's where the line had to be drawn.
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Speaker 3: I believe it's you know, the thing about spending time
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Speaker 3: with Coryus. You know, it wasn't with a notepad out
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Speaker 3: asking questions that were opening up anything that, you know,
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Speaker 3: it wasn't my place to do that. So it was
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Speaker 3: really about embodying who I saw him as today, and
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Speaker 3: I can only imagine who he is today has been
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Speaker 3: around forever. If that's you know what I'm saying, that's
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Speaker 3: what he went. So I took a lot of that
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Speaker 3: wide eyed, naive still young in my mind essence that
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Speaker 3: he has that sort of childlike beauty that he has
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Speaker 3: to as post asking him some of those hard questions
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Speaker 3: like well was this hard? Those questions were never necessary.
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Speaker 3: It was all in the script, it was all in
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Speaker 3: the documents, it was all in the files, it was
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Speaker 3: all in the court proceedings. His medical records are online
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Speaker 3: and you can see some of those injuries that he
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Speaker 3: sustained in prison and the squirm and that's all you
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Speaker 3: sort of need to know. The rest was getting to
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Speaker 3: actually know him, and he came a lot actually during
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Speaker 3: that last time he was there with me and I
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Speaker 3: was nervous about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about that. Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: Rough. I think at some point you'd stopped coming because
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Speaker 3: he knew it was hard for me. But I think
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Speaker 3: he needed it for himself. I think a lot of
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Speaker 3: this was was therapeutic for him. But he didn't come
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Speaker 3: to any of the prison stuff, that stuff, you know,
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Speaker 3: I think he stayed. He chose to stay away from
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Speaker 3: a lot of those scenes, like the Coney Island scene.
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Speaker 1: So that's also what's so beautiful. I mean, I feel
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Speaker 1: like that that this.
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Speaker 2: Episode, as I said, just covers so much.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, it feels like yes.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And one of the things that they show is
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Speaker 2: his imaginings of which is the heartbreaking. Like I don't
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Speaker 2: even it's not enough of a descriptive, but that to
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Speaker 2: see imagining if he just didn't when Yusef Knox on
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Speaker 2: the window, if he just said no, I'm going to stay,
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Speaker 2: and then what that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was hard. That was that was that scene
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Speaker 3: was harder to probably shoot than the prison scenes itself. Actually,
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Speaker 3: you know, being in that restaurant, that pizza and pretending
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Speaker 3: he stayed and saying no, I'm gonna stay, No, I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna stay right here, go Go, Go go. Ava came
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Speaker 3: up to me crying after that take for sure, and
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Speaker 3: I'm getting emotional now, honestly super sad. Wow, it's been
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Speaker 3: a long time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: I it's oh no good, it's heavy. It's it's supposed
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Speaker 3: to it's not supposed to feel like anything else, you know.
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Speaker 3: So that was that was hard, you know, and going
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Speaker 3: to the Corney Island and and pretending that he had
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Speaker 3: a lot of fun when he actually never went to
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Speaker 3: Corny Island as a kid.
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Speaker 1: Rough, Oh, Lisa, you got I'm sorry. I I just.
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Speaker 2: Again, it's like, uh, it's it's so important. This series
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Speaker 2: is so important, and it really because of that thing.
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Speaker 2: You you know, people forget they were robbed, like they yes,
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Speaker 2: they're exonerated, which we're going to talk about how that
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Speaker 2: wasn't given as much attention as they're being falsely accused buzz.
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Speaker 1: But we we forget that there's a.
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Speaker 2: Whole part of life that is robbed that these boys
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Speaker 2: were robbed of, and that youthful kind of innocence and
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Speaker 2: joy and discovery. They didn't get it and you can't
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Speaker 2: take it back, you can't put it back.
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Speaker 1: And that scene really really shows.
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Speaker 3: That yeah, yeah, exactly. You know that's you know, you
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Speaker 3: can watch him in the cell alone and that hurts,
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Speaker 3: but when you really see him living a life he
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Speaker 3: never got to live, it hurts even more, you know,
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Speaker 3: it hurts much more. And again it's Ava's brilliance. You
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Speaker 3: know that that was as brilliance. It's let's get in
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Speaker 3: his mind and let's remind the world of what he
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Speaker 3: was stripped of. You know, it's called when they see us,
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Speaker 3: we see all of him, We see all of who
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Speaker 3: he is and all all of who he could have been.
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Speaker 2: And the the the exact the creation of it and
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Speaker 2: the timing of when we see that, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: so powerful. The placement of it in the story right
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Speaker 2: like it's we don't if you get it earlier, it
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Speaker 2: might be impactful, but the way that it is placed
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Speaker 2: is just like.
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Speaker 3: You've been through most of the story now and you're
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Speaker 3: so tired and you want and honestly, you want some joy.
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Speaker 3: You want to see the joy. And that's the beautiful
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Speaker 3: thing about that scene. The music's up and it's so
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Speaker 3: bright and it's sweet and honestly, as a New York
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Speaker 3: are coolest day on set by the way they shut down,
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Speaker 3: shut down, cony and really fun. But yeah, it's it's
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Speaker 3: it's it's you fall in love with him in that
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Speaker 3: scene you yeah, love with with him there, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: riding with him and then it shuts off and he's
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Speaker 3: back in that cell, and the smile fades and and
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Speaker 3: and the tears come again because you just realize, Oh,
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Speaker 3: it was all a dream, you know, and he miss
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Speaker 3: missed out on, you know, being in love, which was
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Speaker 3: also true. There was a Lisa in his life.
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Speaker 1: There was I was wondering about that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a girlfriend. Is he had a girlfriend
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Speaker 3: he really cared about when he got her at the
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Speaker 3: time of his arrest, and I believe she didn't make it.
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Speaker 3: He was he was inside. Yeah, And that's the other
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Speaker 3: tragic story stories. He lost a lot of people in
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Speaker 3: those twelve years while he was in there. Yeah, his
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Speaker 3: brother passed. It's murdered actually, but we don't show it
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Speaker 3: in the film. But yeah, I believe he's lost a
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Speaker 3: lot and didn't get to say goodbye.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I heard Eva in an interview say that she wasn't
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Speaker 2: even aware there hadn't been any information about his transgender sister,
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Speaker 2: which was his brother, and that then she just asked
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Speaker 2: him about it, and he very open heartedly spoke about it.
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Speaker 1: And that's another beautiful part of this series.
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Speaker 2: Like it's it's just like I mean, I can't say enough,
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Speaker 2: but it's so well cast and that actor's phenomenal, and
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Speaker 2: it's like a streamlined it's beautifully done.
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Speaker 1: That episode with.
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Speaker 3: The King, Yeah, incredible, incredible, and we I just I'm
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Speaker 3: so happy about how the script was fleshed out for Corey,
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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you know, sometimes you get the chance
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Speaker 3: to tell someone's story and you don't give it enough,
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Speaker 3: you know, you don't let it all the way. But
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Speaker 3: the way this was written, I think it was so
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Speaker 3: classy because at you all the way in while protecting
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Speaker 3: him and allowing him to be able to still gain
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Speaker 3: his confidence and maintain his confidence. We don't show any
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Speaker 3: of the scenes where he gets abused. We don't show
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Speaker 3: any of that. It's we don't cut away before any
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Speaker 3: of it happens. Because it was never about the shock value.
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Speaker 3: It was never about oh, let's be like it, you know,
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Speaker 3: let's HBO this thing and make it just so right
12:43
Speaker 3: by it's it's grotesque already. And the whole idea and
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Speaker 3: the concept is a horror film in itself. So we
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Speaker 3: just played it to it just it just I think
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Speaker 3: it was just.
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Speaker 2: Perfectly Yes, this is why it's so powerful that it
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Speaker 2: is not exploitative and it's not even very physically violent.
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Speaker 2: We see some of it a little bit, but it
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Speaker 2: is the most grotesque is an excellent word.
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Speaker 1: It just it feels that way, and it.
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Speaker 2: Forces it forces us to confront that, like we already
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Speaker 2: can imagine.
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Speaker 3: We don't have to see it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have to see it.
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Speaker 3: And it's just the thing about those crimes when when
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Speaker 3: that's being done to you in prison, it isn't what's
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Speaker 3: being done to you that's gonna hurt more. It's what's
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Speaker 3: it's the after effects. It's it's with what's being done
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Speaker 3: to you. And I think that's a lot more important
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Speaker 3: than the actual action. It's the cause and effect of it.
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Speaker 3: You know, a man choosing solitary is not a normal thing,
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Speaker 3: that is, that is not right thing, and so you
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Speaker 3: can only imagine how much abuse that was done on
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Speaker 3: to them. There's two scenes that that is just scratching
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Speaker 3: the service of what he actually went through, because you
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Speaker 3: can only imagine if it's sent into solitary.
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Speaker 2: And it also feels like that guard I'm assuming that
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Speaker 2: has to be real, that he was showed him some
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Speaker 2: real kindness and humanity. But the way that it's shut
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Speaker 2: because because of everything we've just said, you wind up
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Speaker 2: feeling as if you were like, oh god, this is
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Speaker 2: going to go sideways. He doesn't mean it like he's
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Speaker 2: not gonna this isn't real. It's it was just like
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Speaker 2: every second the first time I watched it, I felt like,
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Speaker 2: please don't let this man turn out to be horrible.
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Speaker 3: That chows because at this point he seems like all
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Speaker 3: hope is lost. It seems like there's no chance that
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Speaker 3: this kid has any sort of hope in here. And
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Speaker 3: so that that that beacon of light within that officer
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Speaker 3: was so beautiful in the film. If I'm not mistaken,
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Speaker 3: it's two cops in real life too. He took to
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Speaker 3: him and protected them and helped them, and the care
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Speaker 3: it was both.
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Speaker 1: Of them in one.
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Speaker 3: But that was true, that there was somebody there looking
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Speaker 3: out for the chia pet was true. Oh god, it somebody. Beautiful.
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Speaker 3: Thing is that some of these you know CEOs, they're
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Speaker 3: not all the greatest, but some of them are fathers.
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Speaker 3: Some of them have children, and some of them see
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Speaker 3: their kids in these prisoners and in these inmates. They
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Speaker 3: do their job with care. They don't do their job
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Speaker 3: with this sort of ego. You guys are just they
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Speaker 3: move with actual I hope these guys get better. And
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Speaker 3: Corey was really lucky enough to find somebody. Mind you,
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Speaker 3: that's just a bit of help. It doesn't go anywhere.
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Speaker 3: You know, the back is nice, but my freedom is
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Speaker 3: what I want. And you know, these CEOs can only
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Speaker 3: do so much, so it's nice that somebody was there
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Speaker 3: to just hook them up with the gad comic books
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Speaker 3: or welcome to the bathroom, walcome, I mean welcome to
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Speaker 3: the step food walk to Yeah, things like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, those little moments of you know, humanness. I it's
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Speaker 2: again why this whole thing is so I just like
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Speaker 2: required viewing, required viewing people like everyone needs to do.
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Speaker 3: It's so right because it just tackles all those sort
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Speaker 3: of It tackles everything, attackles everything at once, and it
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Speaker 3: throws and it's not apologetic about how it throws in
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Speaker 3: your face. I like, I've watched myself sometimes and it's
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Speaker 3: it's weird for me. This one was the hardest thing
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Speaker 3: I've ever done. I watched it one time and I
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Speaker 3: cried as if it wasn't me on the screen, as
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Speaker 3: if I like, I could have just been like, all right,
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Speaker 3: nice Drell, good performance, lives that stuff. I couldn't even
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Speaker 3: do that. I like, I was a wreck after watching it,
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Speaker 3: and I only.
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Speaker 1: When did you watch it?
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Speaker 2: Did you watch it with Corey?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I was living in this. I was living in Charleston,
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Speaker 3: South Carolina, working on another TV show, and they sent
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Speaker 3: me up a link like here's oh god, it comes out.
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Speaker 3: I'm just like cool, I can't wait, and I just
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Speaker 3: you're like, oh, it's like at night. I'm like, I'm
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Speaker 3: just check this out on my laptop four in the morning.
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Speaker 3: I'm bawling and shaking, like.
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Speaker 1: If I got to know what was going to be next.
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Speaker 3: I'm watching it like I've never seen it. I didn't
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Speaker 3: even read the script, oh man, which is a testament
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Speaker 3: to the editing, to the direction, the colors. When you're acting,
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Speaker 3: you don't know what's going on. You don't know if
17:27
Speaker 3: the camp is too damn close to your face, they're
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Speaker 3: too far away, or whatever it is. But when you
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Speaker 3: watch it all get pieced together so beautifully. The way
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Speaker 3: when they see it was. You know, it's emotional and
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Speaker 3: it's overwhelming. I didn't get to watch it with Corey,
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Speaker 3: but I do remember the first time seeing him after
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Speaker 3: he saw it.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, tell me it was.
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Speaker 3: He cried. He cried, he had tears welling up, and
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Speaker 3: you know, tough cry. He's a tough man, tough tough.
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Speaker 3: I mean, probably no one tougher, and he was fighting
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Speaker 3: back his tears. He didn't actually say anything. He just
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Speaker 3: hugged me really tight, and he held me and he
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Speaker 3: just squeezed me and like he squeezed me harder than
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Speaker 3: he's ever squeezed me. And he yeah, and that's bigger
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Speaker 3: than the Emmy. That's bigger than the big splash, that's
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Speaker 3: bigger than the fans. He really hugged me tight and
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Speaker 3: backed away and just like grab my shoulders, and I
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Speaker 3: think he was trying to say thank.
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Speaker 2: You that moment at the Emmy's two when they all
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Speaker 2: stand up. First of all, you know, it's got to
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Speaker 2: be amazing to win an Emmy, but also it's not
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Speaker 2: every time that the entire place is like you could
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Speaker 2: feel it. Even when they're announcing everyone's name is before
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Speaker 2: you and.
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Speaker 1: Everybody was like what.
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Speaker 2: You know, and then like everyone and so and but
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Speaker 2: the five of them standing up like I can't. It's
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Speaker 2: like it's one of the most beautiful things and and
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Speaker 2: and tragic and all the things.
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Speaker 3: If their story has any ending, it better be this one,
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Speaker 3: you know. Like that was how we felt. It was
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Speaker 3: we we made it here and we got them here,
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Speaker 3: you know. So all then that every night we just
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Speaker 3: drank and we danced and we oh yay. Corey walked
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Speaker 3: along with the Emmy all night like it was his
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Speaker 3: he did. I'm thinking that, but he There's.
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Speaker 5: Pictures of us and him walking around and people were
19:48
Speaker 5: coming up to him taking pictures with him, and he
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Speaker 5: was holding up the Emmy. And it was a big,
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Speaker 5: beautiful night and we forgot all about everything because we're celebrating,
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Speaker 5: like we want a championship, you know.
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Speaker 3: Right, And so it was nice. It was bittersweet. We
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Speaker 3: had sixteen emmynoms and I was the only one to
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Speaker 3: take it.
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Speaker 2: I remember that too, And I remember I'm telling you,
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Speaker 2: I'm not blowing smoke when we started this interview, and
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Speaker 2: I was like, I have a lot of these saying
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Speaker 2: I was so attached to this show that and I
20:20
Speaker 2: was ecstatic that you won, but I could not believe
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Speaker 2: that the others didn't like I was. I mean, there
20:28
Speaker 2: were a lot of great There was a lot of
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Speaker 2: great TV that year, was.
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Speaker 3: A really really great show. I loved you.
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Speaker 2: I just was like, this should win everything all the
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Speaker 2: time forever.
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Speaker 1: How I felt.
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Speaker 3: No, I tell you, I definitely wished Ava got her
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Speaker 3: flowers for that at that. I think that for directing,
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Speaker 3: writing something, I think she deserves something. What without a doubt,
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Speaker 3: sixteen emmynoms and having the exonerated at the Emmys is
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Speaker 3: the account. So yeah, we, yeah, the project were grateful
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Speaker 3: for the awards and the recognition. We never did it
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Speaker 3: for that in the first place, So just a cherry
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Speaker 3: on top, you know. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, it also feels like because, as I said.
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Speaker 2: Before, when you know, when they were falsely accused, it
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Speaker 2: was all over everything, every TV program, every news show,
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Speaker 2: all the newspapers, and then when they were exonerated, it
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Speaker 2: was like a little blip, you know, there wasn't really
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Speaker 2: any real And that's the other thing the people I
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Speaker 2: think don't understand like you can when they get out
21:41
Speaker 2: of prison. It's one thing, that's a whole other set
21:45
Speaker 2: of issues. But they're they're considered sex offenders, so they
21:50
Speaker 2: can't go back to a normal they can't just go
21:52
Speaker 2: and get a job and start their lives.
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Speaker 1: So the exoneration part was key.
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Speaker 3: That didn't happen until ten plus years after they got out.
22:00
Speaker 3: I believe the exoneration was twenty eleven or ten or eleven,
22:03
Speaker 3: and Corey got out in two thousand and two, so
22:07
Speaker 3: that is yeah, ten years.
22:10
Speaker 2: I think it was thirteen. I think it was twenty thirteen,
22:12
Speaker 2: is that right. They'll tell me. I think it was
22:15
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 3: Even longer, so you might be right. It just yeah,
22:20
Speaker 3: I'm out, Oh you know what, I'm wrong. I think
22:23
Speaker 3: he was exonerated and then the settlement happened at twenty
22:25
Speaker 3: thirteen or oh.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:29
Speaker 3: Another another thing where it's like no amount of money
22:32
Speaker 3: can pay you for the experience you went through, and
22:35
Speaker 3: these guys now have to be sex offenders for so
22:38
Speaker 3: long then wait to get any reparations, and when then
22:41
Speaker 3: they get the reparations, it's a measly couple, you know, whatever,
22:44
Speaker 3: to feel better. And so it really was so incredible
22:51
Speaker 3: to do this show because I really think this show
22:53
Speaker 3: is finally them getting their flowers, them getting that settlement
22:56
Speaker 3: chat and getting exonerated and then leaving prison. That was good,
23:02
Speaker 3: but it didn't it didn't change their lives, and they
23:08
Speaker 3: truly changed their lives. Yusuf is running for like he's
23:12
Speaker 3: like a politician so much. And Raymond started his own business,
23:18
Speaker 3: and you know, these are family men now raising children
23:22
Speaker 3: and they get to walk around and and and be
23:27
Speaker 3: a beacon of LFE for people now and be an
23:28
Speaker 3: inspiration for people, and that those years of hell for
23:32
Speaker 3: them is now a sign of triumph for everybody else. Yep, yep.
23:38
Speaker 3: If your life is cursed with such an experience they had,
23:41
Speaker 3: it's it's nice to know that at least in the
23:43
Speaker 3: end of it. All I got to teach some is
23:46
Speaker 3: that it was called the Central Park five, but it
23:49
Speaker 3: could be the Central Park a million, because there's so
23:52
Speaker 3: many of us, and there's so many falsely incarcerated people
23:55
Speaker 3: in prison right now sitting there who also accompanied their
23:59
Speaker 3: friend to the station and should and they now hear
24:03
Speaker 3: that when they see us is out and their story
24:06
Speaker 3: doesn't get told. And you know, it's a special shout
24:10
Speaker 3: out as well to those people who actually have heard
24:13
Speaker 3: of when they see us but are still incarcerated and
24:15
Speaker 3: don't get to get their story out there.
24:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that is one of the most important
24:21
Speaker 2: things about this that it helped to change the court
24:25
Speaker 2: of public opinion. You know.
24:26
Speaker 1: It's so.
24:29
Speaker 2: That's a really difficult thing to do once something has
24:34
Speaker 2: been so skewed one way, and I do think that
24:39
Speaker 2: this series helped to shift that narrative. We still have
24:44
Speaker 2: a ton of work to do in that area, but
24:47
Speaker 2: it helped for.
24:50
Speaker 3: Sure, I think so too. And it shed light to
24:53
Speaker 3: like things like the Innocence Project, nofit that's helping people
24:58
Speaker 3: are innocent in prison. It's a lot of the community
25:00
Speaker 3: that didn't know about these things, and they have uncles
25:02
Speaker 3: in prison and cousins in prison and dads in prison.
25:06
Speaker 3: I've actually heard specifically from dms and young kids saying
25:10
Speaker 3: that they're going to get into law and justice and
25:13
Speaker 3: that they're going to some got A boy said, I
25:18
Speaker 3: went to go visit my father for the first time
25:20
Speaker 3: in prison. I wanted to actually meet him because I
25:22
Speaker 3: can't imagine what he's going through in there, and I
25:24
Speaker 3: never thought about it. I never met him, so I
25:26
Speaker 3: didn't care. But I actually went to go check him
25:29
Speaker 3: out seeing the show.
25:32
Speaker 1: You know, Wow, I mean that is.
25:38
Speaker 3: Heavy. Yeah, I knew this was going to be talking.
25:46
Speaker 1: I really I hope that, you know my whole thing.
25:51
Speaker 2: And you know, everybody's so interested in true crime and
25:55
Speaker 2: obsessed and all these things, and to me, I am
25:59
Speaker 2: so interested and invested in the humanity behind these things.
26:05
Speaker 2: And how do we get how do people get from
26:09
Speaker 2: A to Z? If we're talking about someone who's murdered someone,
26:13
Speaker 2: but like in this case of how the triumph of
26:17
Speaker 2: the human spear all five of them, you know, different
26:22
Speaker 2: to be able to come through this and have a message.
26:27
Speaker 2: I mean, and Corey is really like a beacon of
26:30
Speaker 2: light of that, but all of them being able to
26:33
Speaker 2: come through this thing and have fruitful lives, be able
26:40
Speaker 2: to speak on other people's behalf to use it as
26:45
Speaker 2: like sort of it's like answering the call of your life,
26:47
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's the one you wanted or.
26:49
Speaker 3: Not, whether it's what you wanted or not. So yeah,
26:53
Speaker 3: very well said that's exactly what I feel like they
26:57
Speaker 3: feel now, you know, And I just hope that they
26:59
Speaker 3: can can continue to hold on to that feeling because
27:01
Speaker 3: the thing about it is, these things come and go
27:03
Speaker 3: as well when they see us made a lot of
27:05
Speaker 3: noise in twenty nineteen, but we haven't really had a
27:08
Speaker 3: project follow up, you know, we haven't more. It didn't
27:11
Speaker 3: open up a floodgates of projects that are so important
27:15
Speaker 3: like that, and so a lot of that conversation did
27:17
Speaker 3: go back into the darker bit. And so I just
27:21
Speaker 3: hope that the five men don't get that feeling that
27:25
Speaker 3: you know, some actors might get. It's like, wow, look
27:27
Speaker 3: at the fame and oh it's gone now. It might
27:29
Speaker 3: do that, you know, right right. I can't imagine that's
27:34
Speaker 3: the case, but I just I just hope that they
27:40
Speaker 3: continue to like, you know, feel like that beacon of
27:44
Speaker 3: light that they.
27:44
Speaker 4: Are, you know, yeah, yeah, we.
27:48
Speaker 3: Get more projects like this.
27:49
Speaker 2: Man me, I'm so deeply honored and I truly mean
27:54
Speaker 2: it that you spent this time with me and that
27:58
Speaker 2: you've been so forthcoming and open hearted.
28:00
Speaker 1: And again, when.
28:02
Speaker 2: They see us is streaming and if you have not
28:05
Speaker 2: seen it, this is your time to do that is
28:10
Speaker 2: required viewing and tell us is there anything you want
28:13
Speaker 2: to share about what you're doing now or what's coming up.
28:18
Speaker 3: I'm in this nice, relaxed sort of period of time
28:22
Speaker 3: right now where I'm sort of figuring out what's next.
28:24
Speaker 3: I'm working on Spider Verse.
28:25
Speaker 1: Though, oh little thing called that, H called.
28:30
Speaker 3: That that I can't ever talk too much about. But
28:32
Speaker 3: I always working on and I just booked something last
28:37
Speaker 3: week that I'm very excited to talk about. I'm going
28:39
Speaker 3: to wait, though, because you're still being closed.
28:41
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh yeah, let's not. Let's not. Let's give it
28:44
Speaker 1: all a good mo Joe.
28:45
Speaker 3: You know it's in a while. I'm very selective, and
28:49
Speaker 3: I'm purposely selective. It's to do something like when they
28:52
Speaker 3: see us, you don't want to go back, you know,
28:53
Speaker 3: you know, you want to try to find something that
28:55
Speaker 3: if it doesn't if it's not as coachually impactful, it
28:58
Speaker 3: at least challenges me as an actor the way I
29:02
Speaker 3: found that. And so I'm excited.
29:05
Speaker 2: Okay, grit, I'm I'm excited. I told you I'm the
29:08
Speaker 2: president of your fan club.
29:12
Speaker 3: At least, I really, actually, really really enjoyed this conversation.
29:15
Speaker 3: It was a boo.
29:15
Speaker 1: I'm so glad.
29:17
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're You're a big heart, and I
29:22
Speaker 2: I wish you the best of everything, and I can't
29:24
Speaker 2: wait to see what's next.
29:27
Speaker 3: Hopefully we talked soon about something else cool.
29:29
Speaker 1: I would love it.