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JFK Book Reviews - Destiny Betrayed By James DiEugenio · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: So everybody, and welcome to JFK Book Reviews The Division
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  Speaker 1: of the Lone Guming Podcast. But you already knew that
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  Speaker 1: I am the Triple B, Big Bad Bob.
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  Speaker 2: He is. He is Joseph P. Barelli, the Third, Joseph J. M.
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  Speaker 1: John J Joseph John, Joseph Tom, Joseph John Martin. All Right, today, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be reviewing the man who bestowed this moniker
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  Speaker 1: upon me, the Triple B, Jim Dugenio's book. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: try to get the glare off of it. Destiny Betrayed.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me, sorry, I got a cheese curl in my
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  Speaker 1: throat there. Destiny Betrayed JFK. Cuba and the Garrison Case
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  Speaker 1: by James D. Eugenio, with forward by Zach Sclar.
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  Speaker 2: Joe.
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  Speaker 1: This book here rocks in at four hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 1: three supple pages. I'm holding in my hands a first
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  Speaker 1: edition copy of Destiny Betrayed from nineteen ninety and two.
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  Speaker 2: This book was.
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  Speaker 1: Republished in twenty twelve, twenty years later, and excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: available in hard or paperback on the reissue. This book
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  Speaker 1: was originally published by Sheridan Square Publishing out of New
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  Speaker 1: York City and this book comes hot off the heels
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  Speaker 1: of the Oliver Stone movie JFK.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that.
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  Speaker 1: Is why Zach Scalar, the screenwriter of JFK, wrote the forward.
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  Speaker 2: For this book. Here that makes sense. Yeah, definitely not cheap.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, this book smells like Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Uh Dorito's and.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna let you finish the second part.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's more like Fredo's or like stink ass feet,
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  Speaker 1: like they've been in the same veil crows shoes for
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  Speaker 1: twenty years. Also like it has a strong ammonia or
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  Speaker 1: catpis smell to it, like it's been stored in Jim D.
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  Speaker 1: Genio's garage for a very very long time. Box three
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  Speaker 1: out of three hundred, I think, is where this one
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  Speaker 1: came from.
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  Speaker 2: And funny enough, Joe, I kept the receipt when I
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  Speaker 2: bought this book.
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  Speaker 3: Oh a bam bam fifty two seventy eight.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, that's the grand total of four
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  Speaker 1: different books that I published, all right, that I bought
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  Speaker 1: that day.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, if you can read.
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  Speaker 1: This, this is March eighth, twenty thirteen. Okay, uh huh,
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  Speaker 1: so this was shit thirteen years ago. That's when I
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  Speaker 1: bought this thing. I bought four books that day. I
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  Speaker 1: bought a Counterplot nine ninety five, Anthony Summers Conspiracy for
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  Speaker 1: fourteen ninety five, the Assassination Tapes for fourteen ninety five,
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  Speaker 1: and used hard book for seven ninety five, which is
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  Speaker 1: this one. It didn't even it wasn't even in the system.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a generic used hardbacked book. And I also
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  Speaker 1: bought a mom and Popped mixed soda for a dollar
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine.
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  Speaker 4: I respect that, which was.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking expensive back in twenty thirteen, by the way, for
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  Speaker 1: a craft fucking soda at a bougie ass used bookstore.
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  Speaker 2: But that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: And how do I know that this is the book
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  Speaker 1: that speaks of Well, it still has seven ninety five
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  Speaker 1: sticker on it.
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  Speaker 3: This is it, folks, Well you got a deal, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, this book.
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  Speaker 1: Comprised the fifteen chapters, two appendices of bibliography and notes
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  Speaker 1: in an index, a preface, and a forward. A lot
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  Speaker 1: going on in this book, and it definitely has a
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy lean to it.
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  Speaker 2: Joe.
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  Speaker 1: So, without further adieu, let's get into the meat and
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  Speaker 1: potators of this wonderful book. Here Destiny Betrayed JFK Cuba
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  Speaker 1: and the Garrison case of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course we know the Garrison case is
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  Speaker 3: talked about a lot in this book, obviously defending his
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  Speaker 3: case against Clay Shaw, with a primary focus on the
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans district of Jim Garrison's investigation.
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  Speaker 4: And to.
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  Speaker 3: The event, of course, mister Casson, uh, you know, our
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  Speaker 3: standardly argues against the narrative of the Warrant Commission portraying
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  Speaker 3: Oswald as a lone assassin that is flawed and misleading,
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  Speaker 3: which of course everyone that has looked at to this
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  Speaker 3: case knows. And if you're a remember here, you definitely
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  Speaker 3: know that it kind of starts chronologically tracing the roots
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  Speaker 3: back to post World War two era and kind of
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  Speaker 3: details the formation of the US national security state goes
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  Speaker 3: into like the Truman Doctor and the Marshall Plan. The
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  Speaker 3: National Security Act of nineteen forty seven never missed an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to say that number created by the CIA and
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  Speaker 3: incorporating for more Nazi intelligence networks like Ryan Hard Galen,
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  Speaker 3: its organization under figures like none other than Alan Dunno
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  Speaker 3: Dallas shocker. And you know, it talks a lot about
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  Speaker 3: Kennedy's resistance to challenge these the national security apparatus in
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  Speaker 3: the Cold War or escalating up to the Cold War,
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  Speaker 3: you know, talking of course about Indonesia, Congo, Laos, Vietnam
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  Speaker 3: and Sam's and joint chiefs of Staff and the powerful
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  Speaker 3: business elites providing a motive for the assassination. He notes
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  Speaker 3: how these policies were reversed under Lyndon Meins Johnson, Escalator
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  Speaker 3: involvement into the Vietnam War and other reason regions. Then,
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  Speaker 3: of course he kind of leads up to the events
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  Speaker 3: leading to November nineteen twenty two, nineteen sixty three, of course,
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  Speaker 3: with a heavy emphasis on New Orleans and David Ferry,
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  Speaker 3: Guy Banister, clay Shaw, all the usual suspects things like that,
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  Speaker 3: talks about anti Castro groups, fair play for Cuba Committee,
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  Speaker 3: people like figures like David Atlete Phillips are highlighted.
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  Speaker 4: In a chapter, and.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and a big part of the book is obviously,
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  Speaker 3: like I said before, type of defense Garrisons nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 3: six and nineteen sixty and probe against clay Shaw. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to read two little paragraphs here from the book,
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  Speaker 3: and it has fifteen chapters, two appendixes, bibliography, and notes index.
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  Speaker 4: I think you mentioned some of that.
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  Speaker 3: So this is from the Motive chapter. Do sophomores in
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  Speaker 3: high school develop serious political consciousness? And I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: answer these questions as I go, Yes, sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: If Oswald did.
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  Speaker 3: Would a young Marxist then join the US Marine Corps? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: quite possibly, if you want to get away and your
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  Speaker 3: brothers were Would a young Marxist then leave Russia? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Well we know why his own writings, he was very
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  Speaker 3: disillusioned with the Russian form of immunism. Why would a
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  Speaker 3: loving father and faithful husband, faithful possibly never make an
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  Speaker 3: attempt to settle down? Well, I think he did make
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  Speaker 3: a couple of attempts to settle down. Why did a
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  Speaker 3: Communist start a one member of Fair Play for Cuba
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  Speaker 3: Committee in New Orleans, a hotbed for anti Castro activity.
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  Speaker 3: Well he was urged not to, but Oswald was sort
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  Speaker 3: of stubborn. And what sort of Communists would proudly pose
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  Speaker 3: for a photo holding both the Trotskyists trotsky Heist Militant
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  Speaker 3: and the Communist Party Daily Worker, the organs of two
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  Speaker 3: profoundly antagonistic factions. Well, Oswald had kind of like an
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  Speaker 3: op ed in that Worker that he was holding up,
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  Speaker 3: I believe, so that could be a reason. Why would
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  Speaker 3: an unemployed communist pay people to pass out leaflets.
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  Speaker 4: If on the other.
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  Speaker 3: Hand, Oswald was in New Orleans to infiltrate anti Castro groups.
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  Speaker 4: For whom was he doing this?
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  Speaker 3: So this of course goes back to the the question
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  Speaker 3: of Oswalt's motive and why was he infiltrating these anti
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  Speaker 3: Castro groups and for whom was he doing this? And
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  Speaker 3: of course it is extremely hard to get into Oswalt's head,
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  Speaker 3: but like I said before, I think he left around
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  Speaker 3: and found out what the wrong group, so he he
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  Speaker 3: thinks Oswalt is in this book is posing as a
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  Speaker 3: Marxist and and we've gone over Oswalt's personality, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: he definitely did have left leaning beliefs and were they
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  Speaker 3: changing ever changing? Yes, of course, And that's why I
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  Speaker 3: think he wanted to go to Cuba because he maybe
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  Speaker 3: hoped their version of communism was better than Russia's. Anyways,
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  Speaker 3: next paragraph. This is in one of the following chapters.
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  Speaker 3: The morning between nine thirty and ten am, Oswalt encountered
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  Speaker 3: co worker James Jarman on the first floor. At the time,
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  Speaker 3: Oswald was standing at and staring out a window. He
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  Speaker 3: approached a gathering, he noticed a gathering.
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  Speaker 4: Crowd around the corner.
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  Speaker 3: As Jarman approached, Oswalt asked him what the crowd.
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  Speaker 4: Was doing there.
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  Speaker 3: Jarman informed him that President Kennedy was going to pass
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  Speaker 3: by in a motorcade. Oswald asked which way he was coming,
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  Speaker 3: and Jarman told him he would probably be coming down
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  Speaker 3: Maine and turning on Houston and going back down on elm.
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  Speaker 3: Oswalt replied, oh, I see, and walked away. Unless Oswalt was.
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  Speaker 5: A consummate actor, this is probably the best piece of
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  Speaker 5: direct evidence showing that Oswalt was a complete patsy.
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  Speaker 3: Now I have a little trouble with this paragraph. Rob Oswalt,
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  Speaker 3: who in the previous months in New Orleans and we
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  Speaker 3: did his show on which books he took out on
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  Speaker 3: his library card in New Orleans, checked out two separate
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  Speaker 3: books on JFK. And with his obsession with politics, geopolitical
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  Speaker 3: politics specifically, I highly doubt Oswalt was unaware of JFK
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  Speaker 3: as coming to visit Dallas that morning. And I disagree
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  Speaker 3: with Jimmy d here that this was the best piece
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  Speaker 3: of direct evidence showing Oswalt was a passy.
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  Speaker 4: There are much.
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  Speaker 3: Better pieces of direct evidence to show that he was
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  Speaker 3: a passy other than that straight hearsay, right, And who
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  Speaker 3: knows if we could even believe what Jarmin African American
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  Speaker 3: person who's probably.
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  Speaker 2: Pushed on alide and we don't blame them, no.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean that's kind of a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a stretch for me. I think that the book
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  Speaker 3: is decently well written. The author uses a lot of
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  Speaker 3: big words, some of which I had to admittedly look
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  Speaker 3: up in the dictionary. But it's kind of all over
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  Speaker 3: the place in a sense, like it jumps from JFK
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  Speaker 3: topic to JFK topic and here and there, and it's
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  Speaker 3: definitely not a book for someone who just entered the case.
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  Speaker 3: I think we can agree on that you need a
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  Speaker 3: good amount of knowledge about the JFK assassination to really
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  Speaker 3: understand Jimmy D's arguments in a lot of these chapters.
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  Speaker 3: Although I don't you know, he does write a lot
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  Speaker 3: of facts, especially if you consider the time of nineteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety two and what was available a RRB just.
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  Speaker 4: Getting started type of thing.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, those are my two paragraphs, and with that, sir,
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  Speaker 3: I will hand it off to you for your thoughts
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  Speaker 3: and ratings, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just to piggyback off what you just said there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if this was the only version of the
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  Speaker 1: book that is out there, I would say, okay, I
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  Speaker 1: can see that. But dude had twenty motherfucking years twenty
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  Speaker 1: years Joe in between editions of this.
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  Speaker 6: Book, all those files that got released in the nineties,
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  Speaker 6: the ARB, and he didn't change his stance on anything.
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course, that is the main problem with James
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  Speaker 3: du Genio, as he pickses a theory and he kind
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  Speaker 3: of just sticks to it no matter what comes out, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I think we can all agree
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  Speaker 1: that while the Garrison case was a shit show, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he showed through into towel after Fairy died, he said,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I tried, folks, I'm done. Instead of pushing
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  Speaker 1: things forward, making things questionable, this whole rry, we're so
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  Speaker 1: thinking his witnesses are not reliable, probably paid, definitely drugged, hypnotized,
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  Speaker 1: the whole.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, truth, truth, serum.
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  Speaker 1: You know, to sit here and hold this guy up, Garrison.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're Look, I'm glad Garrison did
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  Speaker 1: what he did because it shook a lot of ship
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  Speaker 1: up and it created a ton of paper trails and
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  Speaker 1: documents and interesting leads and things to follow up on
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  Speaker 1: and all that. Yeah, I'm glad he did what he did,
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  Speaker 1: but to hold this guy up as some sort of
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  Speaker 1: martyr for the for the Kennedy assassination, and I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've always I've always kind of disagreed with that view
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  Speaker 1: of things. You know that that Joan Mellon and and
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  Speaker 1: and Jim D, people like Jim D. Eugenio and Lisa
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  Speaker 1: Pas hold this guy up like he was a freaking
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  Speaker 1: god or something. This case is highly flawed. I was
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  Speaker 1: glad to see that he got into Cuba a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, he writes like he talks very long winded,
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  Speaker 1: big words, boring. And I guarantee you, Joe, that the
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  Speaker 1: first draft of this book, I guarantee you was fifteen
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  Speaker 1: hundred pages, and his editor went in and chopped his
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  Speaker 1: shit out of this book because that's what it reads
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  Speaker 1: like to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's just chopped up.
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  Speaker 1: It's all over the place, and there's no like continuity,
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  Speaker 1: there's no line of continuity.
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  Speaker 2: Rolling through it. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Eugenie is very critical over on his website Kennedy's
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  Speaker 1: and kings dot Com and on his platform, Blackout Radio.
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  Speaker 1: It was very hypercritical of other authors and books on
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  Speaker 1: the case and anything that directly contradicts his.
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  Speaker 2: Perview. He just shits all over.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, this thing was it's almost
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  Speaker 1: thirty five years old. First edition. Not much change in
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  Speaker 1: the second edition. I think they only ended up adding
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  Speaker 1: like fifty pages and it was mainly just documents. But
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  Speaker 1: of course Sherry picked and chosen to supplement the original
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  Speaker 1: book's point of view, right, didn't tell the whole story
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  Speaker 1: on anything. So that being said, Joe, hmmm, man, man,
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  Speaker 1: oh man, I'm gonna have to give this book.
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  Speaker 2: A four out of ten. Guns up.
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  Speaker 3: What about you, bro, Well, yeah, I agree with all
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  Speaker 3: your closing thoughts there. You know, I do not think
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  Speaker 3: that Clay Shaw was involved in the assassination whatsoever, even
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  Speaker 3: though you know he does have murky connections and was
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  Speaker 3: an obviously CIA contract agent.
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  Speaker 4: Garrison did have that, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think Garrison's case obviously fell apart with David Ferry's
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  Speaker 3: murder and was just kind of grasping at straws at
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  Speaker 3: this point. And yeah, he's just the author just goes
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  Speaker 3: out of the way to double down almost right in
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  Speaker 3: the second edition, and keep on defending Garrison. And like
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  Speaker 3: you said, there aren't a lot of good things Garrison
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  Speaker 3: did he and came up with and leaves he found
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  Speaker 3: out on. But you know he In the EndNote section,
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  Speaker 3: there's a couple of references to Frowdy's book, I think
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  Speaker 3: like four or five times, and you know, but it
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  Speaker 3: is it does have some decent facts for the well
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  Speaker 3: educated JFK.
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  Speaker 4: Audience.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, nothing that would be new to you or I.
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  Speaker 3: But again, this was thirty five years ago, so for
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  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two, I think for the time it's decent,
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  Speaker 3: and of course that always factors into our rating. So
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  Speaker 3: I am going to give this the exact same rating
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  Speaker 3: as you did four.
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  Speaker 4: Guns Up.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, sir, Thank you. Thanks. The first time we've
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  Speaker 2: we've had the same rating, or maybe the second.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it might be the second or third. It's a
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  Speaker 4: boy who knows.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: That's it for our book review on Destiny Betrayed.
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  Speaker 2: Cuba JFK.
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  Speaker 1: Cuba in the Garrison Case by James the Eugenium.
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  Speaker 4: We should have that clip ready, Jim.
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  Speaker 2: The Angin, John d Angineo, Uh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that'll do it. For the book review this week.
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  Speaker 1: This is for our lovely members only. We hope you
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the book review and uh we'll see you and
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  Speaker 1: members only very very soon until next time tomorrow yes
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  Speaker 1: what depends when they watch this job. Oh yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so until next time, folks. I'm the Triple B. He's
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  Speaker 1: Joe B and we are out peace.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you,