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Sentencing disparities and your calls · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: Talking about sentencing right now, I think we need to
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  Speaker 1: revamp the system. However it is done now ain't working.
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  Speaker 1: It's that simple. There should be within the state of Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: not from county to county, not from Berg to berb.
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  Speaker 1: Within the state of Ohio, there should be uniformity. If
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  Speaker 1: you are convicted of this offense, this is the time
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  Speaker 1: you will do that simple when within twenty four hours
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you how outraged I am that someone
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  Speaker 1: got five years for taking a life because they were
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  Speaker 1: drinking and driving ridiculously fast on Ohio roads, and the
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  Speaker 1: next day I can tell you somebody got seventeen years
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  Speaker 1: for scamming people out of money. We have a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Our justice system is not fair or balanced. And whatever
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  Speaker 1: the protocols are that establish how much time you do,
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  Speaker 1: we need to rework that system. Whether that's legislative or judicial, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: we need to rework that system. Five years for killing somebody,
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  Speaker 1: seventeen years for stealing money. I'm sorry, that does not
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  Speaker 1: make sense. Eight eight, eight sixty year on sixteen do WTV.
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  Speaker 2: In Hi, Chuck, thank you. If I may touch on
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things. For one, I had a friend
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  Speaker 2: or a couple of friends. One of them was drinking
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  Speaker 2: and driving. He drove up on the sidewalk and hit
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  Speaker 2: a guy on a bike and killed him. And he
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  Speaker 2: was sentenced to like six years, but he only served
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  Speaker 2: like thirty eight months in jail. That was it. His
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  Speaker 2: mom got him a good lawyer, this and that, and
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  Speaker 2: he was young. This was his first offense. YadA, YadA, yadas,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And then I had another friend though, who
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  Speaker 2: got in a bar fight. He's dirt poor, he don't
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  Speaker 2: you know, didn't have no money, didn't have no lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: He just went in and said, look, I just want
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  Speaker 2: to you know, serve my time and get it over with.
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  Speaker 2: I played guilty, and he did almost five years, all
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  Speaker 2: the two months and five years in jail over that.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I agree, there needs to be some
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  Speaker 2: kind of it's just wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Did he kill anybody in the bar fight.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, he did break the guy's nose, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the guy. But whenever he went in for parole, up
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  Speaker 2: for parole, the guy showed up and said, hey, this
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  Speaker 2: happened to me, and I've had this trauma sense and
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  Speaker 2: all that, and you know, I'm not going to deny
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  Speaker 2: that happened or whatever. I wasn't you know, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: see the guy. I don't know, I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: but still, yeah, serving five years for being in a
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  Speaker 2: bar fight compared to you know, another friend only serving
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight months for you know, basically driving over somebody
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  Speaker 2: and killing him. That's just ridiculous. I've always said that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Also about the crack epidemic, didn't they like wave that
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  Speaker 2: under the flag of well the black community wanted us
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  Speaker 2: to help. And you know, as soon as I heard that,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, boys, you can't ask the government for
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  Speaker 2: help about anything because everything they touched it just it's
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  Speaker 2: a wreck, you know. I mean the educational system, even bussing,
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  Speaker 2: if you ask me, was just is one of the
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  Speaker 2: stupidest things I've ever seen. Why are they busting kids
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  Speaker 2: from one public school to another public school with the
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  Speaker 2: same curriculum.
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  Speaker 1: And why are we doing it? Still? In twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: we started bussing children canvas for desegregation, which, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: was ridiculous. There's no way. Look, if you've got a
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood that is mostly black, and the school doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: the resources, doesn't have the textbooks, doesn't have the electronics
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  Speaker 1: and so forth, you don't fix this by taking those
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  Speaker 1: kids and send them to a school where it's mostly white,
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  Speaker 1: and taking all the white kids in the nice neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: with a good school and all the equipment, sending them
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  Speaker 1: to the black school that's unprepared, under equipped and can't teach.
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  Speaker 1: That's dumb, But that was the logic of Josh Robert
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  Speaker 1: Duncan when he started desegregation in Columbus.
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  Speaker 2: We are on the same page on that shock. When
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  Speaker 2: I see them, you know, busting them to you know better,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Dublin upper articles, then I believe that they're
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to do something better. But when they were
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  Speaker 2: just busting them across town and stuff, I just I
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  Speaker 2: hate when people ask the government for anything because it
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  Speaker 2: just seems like whatever they touch, it just turns to fire.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. See, you're exactly right. But I got
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  Speaker 1: to run because I got a bunch of calls stacking
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  Speaker 1: up on me. Here. I want to get to Andy.
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  Speaker 1: You are on sixth NATV and Andy HILLO.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm a former corrections employee, A seven I always
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  Speaker 3: say I did seventeen years in the system on the
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  Speaker 3: outside of the FEN and but there are sentencing guidelines
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  Speaker 3: set forward by the state legislature about how to do this. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the sent ancing done, but the biggest problem is when
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  Speaker 3: they start playing out. You know, they may guy might
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  Speaker 3: get charged with, you know, because he was drunk and
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  Speaker 3: all that referring to second degree murder, but they're also
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  Speaker 3: charging with aggravated vehic you orsumicide, and then they also
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  Speaker 3: make charge him for involuntary involuntary manslaughter. Each one of
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  Speaker 3: them have a different sensing guideline. So the guy gets
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  Speaker 3: cup thereries I'll take a tea bargain if I get
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  Speaker 3: this involuntary manslaughter, which is a significantly less charge than
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  Speaker 3: going to prison for murder two or an aggravated vehicior homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Which is what they did with this guy yesterday. They
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  Speaker 1: dropped four charges down to one and gave him the
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  Speaker 1: I think the one that had the least amount of required.
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  Speaker 3: Time and that and that's what the reason they do
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  Speaker 3: that is because it saves the county money. It's the
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  Speaker 3: system itself. It's corrupt, you know, if you actually try
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  Speaker 3: to push that much court time to get a guy convicted,
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  Speaker 3: convicted of murder two or whatever because he was so
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  Speaker 3: drunk he couldn't be standing on his feet and then
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  Speaker 3: all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I see. I'm kind of a hard nose in that
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  Speaker 1: respect any because I I don't care if you're drunk,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if you're on drugs. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: where If your father never loved you and your mother
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  Speaker 1: used to beat you, if you committed the crime, you
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  Speaker 1: committed the crime. It's that simple to me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't And that's where the system fails is because
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  Speaker 3: of the fact they start allowing them to plea bargain out.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's like when someone says that you know, he's not
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  Speaker 3: guilty for murder big reason of insanity. No, you're guilty
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  Speaker 3: because he was insane. Not guilty is not the factory.
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  Speaker 3: Even though you were insane, you still killed somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So you're guilty by reason of insanity. Then you can
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  Speaker 3: modify the sentencings and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: For that man. As you say, they knock it down
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  Speaker 1: and plee it out to save the county money in
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  Speaker 1: a long trial.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly it.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you and he's what's sad about that?
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  Speaker 3: No problem, Jack, love talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm glad you got yourself out of that
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  Speaker 1: system and hopefully into something a little more safe, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not something we talked earlier, Mark, and about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that I would I would have been a copy in
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  Speaker 1: eighty five. Easy. There's no way I'd do it today.
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  Speaker 1: The same thing for corrections Offerer, Nope, Nope, wouldn't happen
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  Speaker 1: two one WTV And Pete, you're on the Legacy Retirement
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  Speaker 1: Group dot com phone line too.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I agree with everything that you're saying. I just
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  Speaker 4: went to Google and I looked up what was Kirk
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  Speaker 4: Barton's penalty when he got arrested the first time in
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and seven for DUI To no surprise, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: that penalty was a fine, it doesn't say how much,
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  Speaker 4: and a one hundred and eighty day license suspension, which,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just just too lenient. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: say something.
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  Speaker 5: That you've said before, which is, you know, the judge
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  Speaker 5: is whoever or whoever decides on these penalties, they need
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  Speaker 5: to put themselves in the shoes of you know, if
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  Speaker 5: one of their loved ones would have been killed by
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  Speaker 5: a drunk driver. You know, I don't think then if
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  Speaker 5: that was the case, I don't think then that they
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  Speaker 5: would be throwing out such lenient penalties. The problem is
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  Speaker 5: and this this was his third offense, actually I think
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  Speaker 5: the fourth time. It's just it's just, it's just I
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  Speaker 5: can't believe how lenient the judges are. It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had multiple issues with alcohol. As I understood
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  Speaker 1: a couple of stories that I heard yesterday, one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons he only played one game in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: was due to some problem with alcohol. I understand that
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  Speaker 1: he had a confrontation with officers at the Bogie and
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  Speaker 1: during the Memorial Tournament due to alcohol. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this guy, you know, there's a pattern. He's out of control.
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  Speaker 1: He can't stop the way he's drinking, and he can't
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  Speaker 1: control himself when he is drinking. Letting him out with
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  Speaker 1: five years after taking a twenty four of your old
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  Speaker 1: life does that? It's painfully stupid to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's no excuse.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, everybody knows about uber and lyft. I mean, just,
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  Speaker 6: you know what, why would you he deserves more of
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  Speaker 6: a penalty. It just if if you're gonna have such
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  Speaker 6: a disregard for human life, then I'm sorry, what's gonna
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  Speaker 6: happen in five years when he gets out?
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  Speaker 4: You know what if?
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  Speaker 6: What if he killed somebody again.
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  Speaker 2: Then then we're gonna go down the same rabbit hole,
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  Speaker 2: and then we're.
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  Speaker 6: Gonna say, oh, we should have given him more than
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  Speaker 6: five years.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, when does it stop.
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  Speaker 1: Well, somebody said yesterday that you know, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: his license will be suspended for life. Do you seriously
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  Speaker 1: think somebody who drives like this and acts like this
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  Speaker 1: and does these things is gonna care if he has
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  Speaker 1: a license before he gets drunk and gets behind the
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  Speaker 1: wheel again. Right, it doesn't matter. Laws only affect law
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  Speaker 1: abiding people. Pete. I appreciate you, buddy, Thanks very much. Again.
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  Speaker 1: How would I have left like a minute and a half?
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  Speaker 1: Two minutes? Hey, you got a couple of minutes. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna tell you about this because I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the last two nights and I have been
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  Speaker 1: able to. Grandson bought something. We have such ridiculous rules.
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  Speaker 1: I remember griping on the air years ago about my
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  Speaker 1: son when he was fourteen years old. I set him
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  Speaker 1: into the hardware store. I said, get here, take this can.
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  Speaker 1: I need half a dozen of these cans cry line
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  Speaker 1: black paint. I wanted to spray paint the patio furniture.
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  Speaker 1: Spring was starting He came back out a couple of
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  Speaker 1: minutes later. He said, they won't let me buy it.
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  Speaker 1: I can't buy spray paint because I'm not eighteen. I said,
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  Speaker 1: you're kidding me, and I went into the store. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: no spray paint, no sharpie markers if you're under eighteen
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  Speaker 1: years of age, I said, you got to be a kidding.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I understand tobacco and alcohol and so forth, but spray paint. Yes, well,
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  Speaker 1: graffiti was a problem, you see, So they wouldn't let
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  Speaker 1: him buy that. I thought, Okay, now that's ridiculous. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: should really ban alcohol? Then, Mike, Yeah, I know. My grandson,
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  Speaker 1: My twelve year old grandson comes home the other night
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  Speaker 1: with one of these cards, the cash cards, like you
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  Speaker 1: put money on it, spray paint card. Yeah, They've got
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  Speaker 1: green light, net spin and all these stuff. And he
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  Speaker 1: comes home with one. I'm like, how do they sell this?
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  Speaker 1: He's twelve. These cards require that you enter into a
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  Speaker 1: contractual agreement with the company, You agree to arbitration instead
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  Speaker 1: of a lawsuit. You provide a social Security number in
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  Speaker 1: order to have access to your funds. They shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: selling this to a twelve year old kid. And this
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  Speaker 1: is something else I am pursuing because it's just the logic.
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  Speaker 1: You can't defy logic like this. A twelve year old
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  Speaker 1: cannot enter into a contract. You cannot sell something to
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  Speaker 1: a child that requires them to be an adult in
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  Speaker 1: order to use it. If you do that, you are
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  Speaker 1: essentially stealing the child's money.
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  Speaker 2: Even if it's a pre like you can't get a
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  Speaker 2: credit card or a debit card, or open a bank
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  Speaker 2: account if you're twelve, No.
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  Speaker 1: No, And you can't deposit money on these accounts or
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  Speaker 1: use the money on these accounts without a social Security number.
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  Speaker 1: They won't allow you to. So he went in and
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  Speaker 1: paid money, and he says he put money on it
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  Speaker 1: when he bought it, and of course they say no refunds,
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  Speaker 1: no returns up at the counter. So I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to go in there and argue with them now that
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  Speaker 1: you cannot give something that requires a contract and disclosure
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  Speaker 1: of a social Security number to a twelve year old child.
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  Speaker 1: And we will either solve that very quickly tomorrow or
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  Speaker 1: you'll be watching me on the people's quart or something, man,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm not letting this one go either. I just
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  Speaker 1: that's how I am I a dog with a bone. God,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is ridiculous. There's no I've never heard
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  Speaker 1: of that before. I heard of that before. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense. Donado's and PEPSI G and J PEPSI. You
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  Speaker 1: see they were feeding the TSA agents, Yes, I did.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a question about this real quick. Does that
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  Speaker 1: include the ICE agents that are working TSA positions? It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't say in the story, but I would be curious
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  Speaker 1: because you know how people are man This could backfire too.
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  Speaker 1: This could backfire too if you were working in the
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  Speaker 1: capacity of a TSA agent although you are a Homeland
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  Speaker 1: Security employee, can you get the pizza and PEPSI? Just
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to check into that because you know how
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  Speaker 1: some people are