Latest / Gil I Am / The Meaning Of The Third Eye Joe Rogan & Jordan Peterson

Transcript

The Meaning Of The Third Eye Joe Rogan & Jordan Peterson · Gil I Am

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Why is it that psychedelic use has played the role
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: that it's played in your interests, in your pursuit of knowledge.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: What do you think it's done for you that's been valuable.
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: I think we're in a weird place in society where
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: the term drug is a is a blanket and it
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: covers things that have vastly different effects. It covers caffeine,
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: it covers nicotine, and it covers dimethyl trip to meine,
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: which is crazy. It's crazy that all those things are drugs.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: Adderall is a drug. Benzodiazepine is a drug, xanax. There's
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: a million of them. They're all different, and they're all drugs.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: And the idea that psychedelics are a drug, for lack
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: of a better term, that's what we use. I don't
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: think that's what they are at all. I think they
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: are probably why we became people. I think they are
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: probably why society advanced, and I think every great ancient
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: culture probably celebrated them and used them. It seems like
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: there's so much evidence out of Egypt of the use
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: of psilocybin, various different drugs, various different psychedelic experiences. The
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: iconography of the pineal gland seems to be a big
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: part of multiple cultures, not just Egyptian, but even Catholicism.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: If you go to the Vatican, there's this enormous pine
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: cone that is a statue there. And I was very
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: lucky when I went to the Vatican. We got a guide.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: We hired a private guide that was a scholar from France,
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: and when he's not working in the summers, he gives
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: these tours and they're very thorough and he was brilliant guy.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: I wish I could remember his name. I should probably
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: find it out to give him credit. Brilliant guy. He
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: takes us through showing us all this artwork, it's incredible,
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: explaining why they had little penises, and that it was
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: explaining the whole thing that big penises were thought to
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: be barbaric and it was not representative of like somewhat
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: of class and dignity and education. And so we get
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: to this pine cone and he says to me, he goes,
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: do you know what this represents? And I said, is
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: it the pineal gland? And he goes, yes. And then
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: we start this conversation of what, why, why these Catholics
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: would have this enormous representation of the pineal gland, which
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: they reference as the seed of the soul, and that
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: this gland, which is in the center of your brain
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: is thought to be literally a third eye, and on
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: reptiles it actually has a cornea and a lens. This
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: gland like literally it's exactly where the third eye of
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Eastern mysticism is, and they've got a representation of it
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: right here. And it's thought to be where diamond trip
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: to Meet is produced. And this whole connection to it
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: is so old that it seems like you go back
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: to the John Marcro Allegro stuff, you go back to
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are the oldest version of
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: the Bible, the only version that I believe, the only
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: version they've have in Aramaic, of all those stories. And
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: if he's right, if John Marco Allegro is right, it
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: all kind of makes sense that these people were having
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: these experiences, much like the Greeks where with the Elusinian mysteries,
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: much like multiple different cultures in the Amazon all over
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: the world have experienced these profound ceremony experiences that lead
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: to these journeys into the spirit world, these connections with
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: higher consciousness. This something that when you're experiencing it seems
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: very very real, but also very preposterous when you try
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: to explain it to people that aren't experienced, you know,
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: it's like Hendrix, like, are you experienced? Have you ever
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: been experienced? Well? I have? Like it's that like with
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: that understanding that that's possible, the world changes because now
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: you know that that's possible. You could live your whole
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: life and not know that the most shocking profound thing
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: in existence is three hits away, three hits away, and
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're in a completely different universe
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: in twenty thirty seconds. That's nuts. And the fact that
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: that is dismissed that people look at it as like, oh,
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: you're just escaping reality, and you're like. It might be
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: the source of civilization itself. It might be the source
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: of language. It might be the source of the expansion
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: of the human mind over a period of two million years,
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: The doubling of the human and brain over a period
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: of two million years, which Terrence McKenna felt directly coincides
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: with the shifting of the tropical rainforest turning into grasslands,
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: which would force these primates to experiment with new food sources,
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: and these undulate cows that were everywhere. That would then
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: these psilocybin mushrooms would grow. And there's observed primates flipping
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: over these cow patties looking for beetles and grubs and
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: things to eat. It's everywhere, like you could see it
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: all over Africa. If there's something on that they're going
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: to try it out. And if these things are trying
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: it out, and they're doing this over a period of
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: two million years, and they develop language and culture and weapons,
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: and they start thinking about things and they become different
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: than every animal around them. And this was McKenna's stone
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: dape theory, which I'm sure you're familiar with, and Dennis McKenna,
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: who is a legitimate scientist. Dennis explains it even better
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: because he explains it with the actual mechanisms that your brain,
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: that the things that fire up when you encounter high
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: dose psilocybin experiences that would lead you to the development
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: of language, gloss aallia, the connection of sounds and objects
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: and bringing things together in a manner of communication. Also,
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: they realized that in low doses it increases visual acuity,
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: It makes people more amorous, makes people hornier, They're gonna
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: have more sex they're gonna be better hunters because they
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: could see better. They're gonna be a more sensitive to
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: the environment, They're gonna be more aware, edge detections, different,
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: There's like so many different things that happened that if
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: you're thinking about what made people people, it's a mystery.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: We want to pretend that we understand things because of
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: the fossil record and this and that. Sure we kind
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: of understand, but every now and then we find a
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: new human that we didn't even know exist, like Dennis
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: Oven's what was that not even twenty years ago? I
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: don't think so. Now there's a whole other branch of
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: human beings that they weren't even aware of twenty years ago.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: Whatever happened that took us from all the other primates
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: that are still here and made us this, it's pretty profound.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: And I have a feeling that psychedelics were at least
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: involved in that process.