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Dr. Elfenbein on Biden's Weaponized DOJ · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 1: It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Out of all the fraud and abuse that I've seen
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  Speaker 3: over the last five or six years, I think the
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  Speaker 3: one that bothers me the most is what happened during COVID.
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  Speaker 3: You had $ 500 billion to $ 1 trillion in fraud. Most
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  Speaker 3: of it was through unemployment fraud, PPP, but these people
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  Speaker 3: were getting away with stealing billions of dollars. The Department
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  Speaker 3: of Justice has tried, and they have successfully brought back
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  Speaker 3: some of that money, but not much, and we're never
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  Speaker 3: going to see it all back. It's impossible. We see
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  Speaker 3: that this week, Sheila Shirfilis McCormick, A congresswoman from the
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  Speaker 3: state of Florida, she resigned for allegedly stealing $ 5. 6 million.
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  Speaker 3: But it wasn't just Democrats. There was also George Santos,
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  Speaker 3: the Republican that got expelled from Congress. And he did
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  Speaker 3: the same thing. Not $ 5. 6 million, but he stayed on
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  Speaker 3: unemployment even though he was continuing to work all through COVID.
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  Speaker 3: He got unemployment benefits. I saw one last week. It
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  Speaker 3: was a former pastor in Jacksonville, Florida. He stole $ 50, 000
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  Speaker 3: in unemployment, and that really bothered me during that time.
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  Speaker 3: It still does, really. It really does. I have a
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  Speaker 3: story for you here. It comes from the state of Maryland,
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  Speaker 3: and this happened during COVID as well, but this is
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  Speaker 3: not PPP and unemployment. Back then, you know, we had
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  Speaker 3: all the testing sites and things like that. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to get into the story here for you tonight. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to dig deep into it. I'm Booker. This is
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  Speaker 3: The Truth Be Told. As we start this hour, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just going to read directly from the Department of Justice
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  Speaker 3: media release. Here's what they said. A federal jury in
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  Speaker 3: Baltimore convicted a Maryland doctor for submitting over $ 15 million
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  Speaker 3: in false and fraudulent claims to Medicare and a commercial
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  Speaker 3: insurer for patients who received COVID-19 tests at his testing sites.
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  Speaker 3: According to court documents and evidence presented at trial, Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Ron Elfenbein of Maryland was an owner and the medical
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  Speaker 3: director of Doctors Urgent Care, and this was in Anne
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  Speaker 3: Arundel County and Prince George County in Maryland. I'll continue
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  Speaker 3: reading directly from this. They say that in addition to
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  Speaker 3: billing for COVID-19, he instructed the employees of Doctors Urgent
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  Speaker 3: Care that in addition to billing COVID-19 tests, the employees
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  Speaker 3: were to bill for high-level evaluation. and management visits. In reality,
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  Speaker 3: these visits were not provided to patients as presented. Rather,
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  Speaker 3: Elfenbein instructed his employees that the patients were there for
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  Speaker 3: one reason only, to be tested. That was it. Simple
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  Speaker 3: and straightforward. And the providers were not there to solve
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  Speaker 3: complex medical issues. Elfenbein ordered these high-level visits to be
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  Speaker 3: billed for all patients, including those who were asymptomatic, who
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  Speaker 3: were getting tested for COVID-19 for their employment requirements, and
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  Speaker 3: who were being tested for COVID-19 so that they could travel.
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  Speaker 3: Remember those days? Well, Elfenbein, through Doctors Urgent Care, caused
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  Speaker 3: the submission of millions of dollars in claims to Medicare
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  Speaker 3: and a commercial insurer for tens of thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 3: The interesting part of this story, and the reason why
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  Speaker 3: I want to bring it to you tonight, is that
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  Speaker 3: the judge who was appointed by Barack Obama, he wrote
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  Speaker 3: a 93-page acquittal overruling the jury. And that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: To have a judge come back on the jury and say,
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  Speaker 3: I don't accept that. There isn't enough evidence. And that's
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  Speaker 3: exactly what happened in this case. I have talked to Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Ron Elfenbein, and I want to bring him back here
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  Speaker 3: tonight so he can tell his story to you. And
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  Speaker 3: you make the decision. What do you think? The government
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  Speaker 3: is still going to try him, they say. After the acquittal,
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  Speaker 3: the government appealed, and the appellate court said, well, you
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  Speaker 3: can try him again. But they didn't really have a
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  Speaker 3: problem with what the judge did in acquitting him. That's allowed.
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  Speaker 3: It just never happens. But it happened in this case.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fascinating story. And it's one I want to
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  Speaker 3: bring you tonight. And we're going to do that right now.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to welcome to the program Dr. Ron Elfenbein. Dr. Elfenbein,
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  Speaker 3: welcome to the program. Great to have you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Booker. It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get started with the story. And I think the
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  Speaker 3: story is most important to tell from its beginning. And
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  Speaker 3: let's talk about where that starts. Because with you as
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  Speaker 3: an emergency room doctor, I believe it starts when you
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  Speaker 3: got into the urgent care business. And maybe it starts
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  Speaker 3: a little bit before that. or a little bit after that,
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  Speaker 3: I guess it started in about 2019 when you saw
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  Speaker 3: the videos from China, but let's start at the very
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  Speaker 3: beginning when you got into the urgent care business. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, going a little bit farther back. So just a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about me. Um, I grew up in New York.
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  Speaker 2: I trained at Johns Hopkins for emergency medicine and, um,
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  Speaker 2: I moved to Maryland to do my training at Hopkins
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  Speaker 2: and I met my wife there. Um, and she's also
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  Speaker 2: a physician and we decided to stay. So, um, while
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  Speaker 2: I was a resident, I was very active with the
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  Speaker 2: secret service. I did a lot of work with the
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  Speaker 2: United States secret service. I did some work with NASA
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  Speaker 2: and I did, um, I volunteered on the Navajo Indian
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  Speaker 2: reservation and I volunteered a month at the Johnson space
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  Speaker 2: center doing, doing some pretty, uh, work on managing airway, um,
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  Speaker 2: emergencies in space, which was incredible. Um, and then in 2006,
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  Speaker 2: I moved, you know, lived in Maryland after I finished
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  Speaker 2: my residency in 03 and I, um, I, as you said,
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  Speaker 2: opened up an urgent care center in 2016. And I
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  Speaker 2: was the medical director of it. I didn't actually work there,
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  Speaker 2: but I was the medical director and I hired nurse
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  Speaker 2: practitioners and PAs to work there. And I just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: made sure everything was going smoothly and well and set
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  Speaker 2: the policies and things like that. But I didn't actually
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  Speaker 2: see patients. So then in 2019, if we fast forward
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  Speaker 2: a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Let me interrupt real quick because you also weren't the
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  Speaker 3: money behind it either, were you? Not solely. You had
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  Speaker 3: some backers in those urgent cares?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was one urgent care, and I had two partners,
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  Speaker 2: and they were non-physicians, or they are non-physicians. I was
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  Speaker 2: the only doctor, and they were the business side. I
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  Speaker 2: was the medical side. They were the business side.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of those urgent cares are set up that way,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe people don't know that, but you have a
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  Speaker 3: doctor who is the medical director that they need, and
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  Speaker 3: then nurse practitioners and PAs, physician assistants, they're the ones
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  Speaker 3: that actually are seeing us when we go into an
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  Speaker 3: urgent care. but you also have the money behind the business.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the way yours was set up when you
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  Speaker 3: started with one location.
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  Speaker 4: Correct. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, it wasn't just the money. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we were equal partners with that regard, but
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  Speaker 2: they did provide a substantial amount of the money. But
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  Speaker 2: it was also their job to run the business side.
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  Speaker 2: So we made a very distinct line in our business
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  Speaker 2: plan down the middle where anything medical would be my purview.
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  Speaker 2: And anything non-medical was their purview. And we really tried
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  Speaker 2: to stay out of each other's lanes. That was our
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  Speaker 2: famous quote, stay in your lane, stay in your lane.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're paying the bills is what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So to your point, I started to watch
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  Speaker 2: the news in 2019. And I had grown my family
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  Speaker 2: by then. By the way, we had four children. And
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  Speaker 2: I started to watch the news and I could see
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  Speaker 2: what was happening in China. And despite what our government
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  Speaker 2: was telling us, you know, don't worry about it. It's
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  Speaker 2: not coming here. Everything's fine. I could see with my
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  Speaker 2: own two eyes what was happening. And there's no possible way.
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  Speaker 3: You're talking about COVID. And those are the videos that
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  Speaker 3: we all watched. If we're on social media, not many
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  Speaker 3: of them made their way to the mainstream media, but
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about the videos that showed people being welded
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  Speaker 3: into their apartments that happened, fumigating subways and, It really
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  Speaker 3: looked terrible. And of course, I've always said that the
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  Speaker 3: only thing that gets out of China that the CCP
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  Speaker 3: will allow it are things that they want it to.
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  Speaker 3: So you can read into that what you want to.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what you're watching. You're watching the same videos
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  Speaker 3: that I am and probably a lot of people that
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  Speaker 3: are listening to this. You're seeing those videos in 2019,
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  Speaker 3: which was the fall of 2019, is about when all
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  Speaker 3: of that started. We were watching that here in America.
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  Speaker 3: We thought it was crazy, but you had a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a different thought there, didn't you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to your point, I mean, there were videos,
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  Speaker 2: I remember clearly, of literal, like, tanks, actual military tanks
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  Speaker 2: in the streets with their turrets pointed into the city
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  Speaker 2: to keep people in their homes and in the city.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, there's no way that this thing
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  Speaker 2: is contained. So I started to purchase PPE, personal protective equipment,
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  Speaker 2: and I started to purchase testing supplies. And everybody thought,
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  Speaker 2: including my wife, thought I was insane. They're like, what
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  Speaker 2: are you doing? Why are you wasting your time? And
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  Speaker 2: none of this stuff was easy to get, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: So I would spend hours and hours and hours on
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  Speaker 2: the phone trying to get whatever I could get my
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  Speaker 2: hands on because- When were.
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  Speaker 3: You doing that? What part was that? In the fall
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  Speaker 3: of 2019.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right as you saw it. Yeah, and then that continued,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, throughout the entirety of the pandemic. Getting
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  Speaker 2: supplies was one of the most difficult things. And I
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  Speaker 2: spent hours every single day, gloves, gowns, masks, booties, testing supplies,
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  Speaker 2: you name it, disinfectant, hand sanitizer, whatever it was, it
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  Speaker 2: was hours every day trying to find this stuff. And
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  Speaker 2: once you found a supplier, it was like, at one
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  Speaker 2: point we couldn't get gloves. We actually arranged to get
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  Speaker 2: a shipment, an entire pallet, gloves from somewhere in China.
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  Speaker 2: We found a place that had them and we bought
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of gloves because we just could not
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  Speaker 2: get them. And we literally had an entire pallet, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, 50,000, 100,000 pairs of gloves, something ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: shipped over to us because that's all we could find.
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  Speaker 3: So you started the process in 2019, in the fall
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  Speaker 3: of 2019. And the pandemic really starts in March of 2020, 2020.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's about when things shut down here in America.
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  Speaker 3: By the time that happened, how much had you stockpiled
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  Speaker 3: at that time of PPE and all of this other equipment?
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  Speaker 2: Um, I honestly don't remember, but I know our store,
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  Speaker 2: like our store houses, you know, we're full and we
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  Speaker 2: actually had to go and get a, um, another way
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  Speaker 2: right down the street from the urgent care is a
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  Speaker 2: storage facility, like a offsite storage place. And we rented,
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  Speaker 2: we rented a storage unit, um, there. And we would
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  Speaker 2: use that as our storage. And once this all hit,
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  Speaker 2: I realized I had this commodity that people needed and
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  Speaker 2: I started to give it away. I didn't charge anybody
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  Speaker 2: for it. I was giving away mountains of PPE to
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  Speaker 2: nursing homes, to other doctors. I had a friend of
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  Speaker 2: mine in New York who's a cardiologist and he got drafted,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak, to work in the ICU at Columbia
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  Speaker 2: Presbyterian in Manhattan. And he called me and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell I'm doing. How do
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  Speaker 2: I not die from COVID? So I went through what
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  Speaker 2: to do and for hours on the phone with him.
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  Speaker 2: And then he told me, he's like, we are wearing
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  Speaker 2: hefty bags, literally garbage bags for our gowns. And I said, Todd,
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  Speaker 2: his name is Todd. I will send you a package
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow to share with everybody. And at my own expense,
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  Speaker 2: I put together an enormous box of gowns of gloves
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  Speaker 2: of masks. And I had a friend of mine who
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  Speaker 2: had a 3d printer and he and I worked together
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  Speaker 2: and we developed, um, 3d 3d printing capability to make
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  Speaker 2: face shields. We printed thousands of those things and I
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  Speaker 2: shipped them throughout the country to, to everybody who wanted something.
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  Speaker 2: I was giving it away. Um, so because of this though,
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  Speaker 2: we were able to, Oh, and one more, one more
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  Speaker 2: group came to me, the DEA, the drug enforcement administration.
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  Speaker 2: They called me one day, the special agent in charge
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  Speaker 2: of the, this local branch in Annapolis, Maryland. He called
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  Speaker 2: me up and he said, I got your name from somebody, um,
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  Speaker 2: We need to do a big drug bust that we've
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  Speaker 2: been unable to do because we cannot get PPE. Can
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  Speaker 2: you help us? And I said, what do you need?
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  Speaker 2: And he told me he needed, I think it was $ 24, 000.
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  Speaker 2: gowns and 24 N95 masks, which were impossible to get,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, at that time, and 24 face shields.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, you got it. Come over tonight and
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  Speaker 2: I'll give it to you. And he came over and
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  Speaker 2: I gave it to what he needed. He texted me
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  Speaker 2: a picture the next day of them executing their drug bust,
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  Speaker 2: which they would not have been able to do without
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  Speaker 2: what I did for them. And he told me that.
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  Speaker 2: He said, we would not have been able to do this.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. So, you know, because we had
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  Speaker 2: all these supplies, we sort of became the de facto
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  Speaker 2: testing center for And also, we were the first in
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  Speaker 2: the county and probably in the state and possibly even
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  Speaker 2: in the country to come up with the whole drive-up testing.
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  Speaker 2: We were featured on, I know that because we were
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  Speaker 2: featured on the front page of the newspapers locally because, wow,
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  Speaker 2: they have this innovative idea to have patients stay in
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  Speaker 2: their cars so that the PAs and the nurse practitioners
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  Speaker 2: can see everybody virtually. So we had our PAs and
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  Speaker 2: nurse practitioners inside the building. That way they wouldn't be exposed.
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  Speaker 2: We had the patients drive up And get seen by
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  Speaker 2: the medical assistants.
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  Speaker 3: The drive-thrus. Yeah, we remember those. And you were one
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  Speaker 3: of the first in the country, if not the very first,
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  Speaker 3: to start that process. Were you also stockpiling tests back
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  Speaker 3: in 2019 and 2020? I thought you were.
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  Speaker 2: So we were stockpiling whatever we could get our hands on.
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  Speaker 2: So there were no rapid tests at that point. And
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  Speaker 2: stockpiling is not a good word because it has sort
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  Speaker 2: of a bad connotation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it does. It was my word, not yours.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. But, you know, we were trying to
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  Speaker 2: get a hold of what we needed. Okay. And there
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  Speaker 2: were no rapid tests initially. It was just PCR tests. So,
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  Speaker 2: but the PCR kits hadn't come out yet. So we
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  Speaker 2: were getting what we could to help put them together ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: PCR tests, you know, you get the swab and you
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  Speaker 2: get the viral culture medium, and then we would, we
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  Speaker 2: would put them together ourselves. And then once the kits
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  Speaker 2: came out, we started to get those. And it was
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  Speaker 2: a constant game of catch up to see, you know,
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  Speaker 2: which manufacturer would have them that day. And then you'd
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  Speaker 2: order them. And then the next day would be a
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  Speaker 2: different manufacturer. And then you'd have to change how you
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  Speaker 2: were doing things because the policy of how you run
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  Speaker 2: that test is different than the previous test. So it
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  Speaker 2: was a lot to deal with. But because of that,
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  Speaker 2: we became the largest testing site in our county. And
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  Speaker 2: then we grew from one site to eight sites, actually,
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  Speaker 2: at the height of the pandemic. And from six employees
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  Speaker 2: to over 300. And it was just because we were
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmed every single day with patients. And I'll be honest,
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  Speaker 2: if I could have built 10 more sites, I would
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  Speaker 2: have because we were doing what needed to be done.
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  Speaker 2: We were sending people into nursing homes when nursing homes
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  Speaker 2: didn't have anybody. We literally were sending teams to go
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  Speaker 2: into the nursing homes so they could test these people
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  Speaker 2: and isolate the people who are sick and separate the
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  Speaker 2: people who are not. We were doing all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And then monoclonal antibodies became a thing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's hang on to that thought. Real quick. We're
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  Speaker 3: up against a break. We're going to take that. But
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  Speaker 3: when we come back, we're going to continue this conversation
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  Speaker 3: that gets a little bit dicey here in just a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. Stay with us.
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  Speaker 1: We pray for rain and thank him when it's falling
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  Speaker 1: because it brings a grain.
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  Speaker 2: And a little bit of money. We put it back
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  Speaker 2: in the plate.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's why they call it God's country.
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  Speaker 1: More Truth Be Told with Booker Scott in minutes on
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  Speaker 3: Someone asked me the other day, how do you even
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  Speaker 3: get a sense of what's going to happen next? It's hard.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that we can, the way the news
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  Speaker 3: moves so fast. But you know what I told them?
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  Speaker 3: I said, I've been checking out PolyMarket a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: are betting on outcomes. Political elections, big policy moves, even
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  Speaker 3: events you wouldn't expect. It's kind of like a live
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  Speaker 3: pulse on what the public actually believes. And you can
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  Speaker 3: see trends before they even happen and before they even
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  Speaker 3: make the mainstream news. For me, it's not about gambling.
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  Speaker 3: It's about understanding the probabilities and where the momentum is shifting.
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  Speaker 3: If you like or love the news like I do,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you're a news junkie, but you want to take
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  Speaker 3: a little deeper look at what people really think, go
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  Speaker 3: to Polymarket. It's a fascinating tool. Polymarket.com. Coming up here
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  Speaker 3: tonight at 9 o'clock, it is Robin Andrew after dark.
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  Speaker 3: Before that, the National Security Hour, and in just a
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  Speaker 3: few minutes, it has unleashed the Political News Hour. I'm
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  Speaker 3: Booker Scott, along with Dr. Ron Elfenbein. We are telling
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  Speaker 3: his story. I started this hour kind of laying the
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  Speaker 3: groundwork of what has happened, and we're going to let
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: him tell it. Pick up where we were right there
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: before the break. You started talking about the antibodies.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so monoclonal antibodies became a treatment option. And just
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: so people understand what this means, because I don't want
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to throw a lot of technical jargon around, but it's essentially,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: they find the most efficacious, so an antibody is a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: protein your body will produce against a foreign invader, in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: this case, a virus, okay? We're talking about COVID-19, so
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: the COVID-19 virus. And what the drug manufacturers did was
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: they found the most efficacious antibody. So picture like a
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: tennis ball, okay? That's what the coat of the virus
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: looks like. And on that surface of the tennis ball
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: are thousands and thousands of proteins sticking out. And your
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: body will produce an antibody to each one of those
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: things that sticks out. And what they do is the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: antibodies will bind to the virus and basically tie it
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: up so that your body can clear it and get
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: rid of it. So what the drug manufacturers do is
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: they find the best antibody out of all those that
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: are produced, and they take it, and they make one copy,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and they clone it, and they make copies of that
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: one antibody trillions and trillions and trillions of times.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: So.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Imagine what your body would take to produce in, say,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: three weeks. If I gave you COVID right now, Booker,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: in three weeks, if we drew your blood, you'd obviously
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: have produced a lot of antibodies to this virus. We
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: basically take what it took your body three weeks to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: produce and give it to you in an infusion. So
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: it goes through an IV in 30 minutes. Does that
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: make sense?
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. As I recall, when Donald Trump had COVID,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: he had that treatment. as I remember.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And it cured him.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And this medicine is a truly a godsend. And it
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: was unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it in my
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: entire career of medicine of how efficacious it really was.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a miracle cure. And I just
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: want people to understand because there's a lot of like,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: you know, people don't like the mRNA shots and all
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the rest of that. That's new. mRNA technology is very new.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It's experimental. The idea of monoclonal antibodies is a technology
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that has been around for at least 40 years. We've
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: been using it to treat all sorts of illnesses. So
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: this is nothing new. This is something we've been doing.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: People have been getting medicines like this for a very,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: very long time, not just to treat infectious diseases, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to treat things like autoimmune diseases and different types of
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: cancers and all sorts of things we've used this technology for.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So this is not experimental and this is not new,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: but This stuff was like a miracle cure. So I
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: was a very, very early adapter and outspoken proponent of
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: these things because I thought I've seen it work before
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: for other things. And I said, this is what we
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: should be giving everybody. And the mantra was vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And I started to really question that. I started to say,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I was on the news. I was on Fox News
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: and CBS and CNN. And I was pretty much on
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: any news media that would have me. at least once
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: a week, if not twice a week, nationally and internationally.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: It was on the Saudi Arabian news of all places.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: It was very weird, but they had me on their news.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And talking about COVID and talking about how wonderful these
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: drugs were to cure people of COVID. And, you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the vaccination mantra was, I was like, look, why are
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: we vaccinating everybody? We have, the vaccine has a place,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: but we have a cure here. And You know, people
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: who were just exposed to COVID, like, why are we
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: firing nurses in New York who just got COVID when
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: they have natural immunity and they don't need to get
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: a vaccination? Like, that doesn't make any sense. And I
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: started to ask these questions.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: The administration at the time, the Biden administration, did something
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: that I found to be very off-putting and very disturbing.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: So the way it would work, so we started these
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: two sites, two infusion centers, and we became the largest
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: supplier of monoclonal antibodies in the entire state of Maryland.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: We were bigger than Johns Hopkins, bigger than University of Maryland,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: bigger than everybody else.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: And this is all still run through your urgent cares, correct?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Correct. What I would do is I went to volunteer ambulance,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: excuse me, volunteer fire departments, and I rented their catering
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: halls and I turned them into into infusion centers. And
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: all this stuff had to be sort of learned as
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I went, because there was no playbook on this. I
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: had no, no experience running an infusion center. I'm like,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what size IV tubing to use, what
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: kind of monitors to use, what kind of chairs to buy.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I had no idea. I had to learn all this stuff.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: So there was a lot of infrastructure things that I
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: just had to learn on the fly. But regardless, we
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: were able to set these things up and we became
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the largest in the state of Maryland. And we, uh,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the administration decided to federalize the distribution. So the way
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: it would work was the Biden administration, the state of
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Maryland issued us a PIN number and I would log
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: into the distributor's website once a week. And I would say,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I used, you know, a hundred doses last week. I
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: want 120 doses this week. And the next day I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: would get, or even sometimes that day, I would get
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: FedEx package with whatever I asked for.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Was that coming from the state of Maryland at that time?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Where were you getting it? Directly from the distributor. Okay.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Private company. So the government came out, the federal government,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the Biden administration, and said, we are going to control distribution.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: They federalized the entire process of obtaining monoclonal antibodies.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: They wanted to control everything.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: They wanted to control it. And literally overnight, that created
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: artificial shortages. And what I mean by that is I
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: would request 100 doses. I was lucky if I got
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: 80 doses. I would request, you know, 150 doses. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: might get 90 doses. And if you remember, Florida at
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the time was, they were having a massive outbreak.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, spike down in South Florida, I remember.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: That's right. And Ron DeSantis had built a ton of
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: these monoclonal infusion centers. In fact, he had mobile vans
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: going around giving people this drug because these drugs, because
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: they were so amazingly efficacious at curing people. And guess what?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Florida was cut off. And it just seems, look, I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: don't have the data on this, but I remember anecdotally
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that it always seemed to be the red states that
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: were getting cut off. And then they said, the administration
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: came out and said, oh, we're going to start using
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: equity as a means to distribute this medicine. And I,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, Booker, I don't even know
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: what the hell that term means.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to ask you to explain it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly has no meaning as far as medicine
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: is concerned. It has no meaning. no medical meaning, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: it has no right showing up in any decision-making when
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: it comes to providing medication, life-saving medication, by the way,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to people who need it. So they decided in their wisdom,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and I put that in quotation marks, that they were
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: going to use equity now to decide who gets this
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: medicine and who doesn't. So the people in Florida were
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: literally cut off. If you remember, DeSantis had to use
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Floridian taxpayer dollars to go out and buy from Regeneron,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: for example, which is one of the manufacturers of these drugs,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Directly from then, a monoclonal antibodies because the feds had
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: cut them off. And it's unconscionable because you literally had
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a spike in the state with the highest number of
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: elderly people and the highest number of people with a
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: lot of comorbidities. So you have the most at-risk population
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: in the entire country, and they cut off those people
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: from this life-saving medication.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: And where most of the old people live is where
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: this took place. This was in South Florida, Miami.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: That's where it was happening at the time.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And they were giving this medicine to, you know, I'm
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: going to pick a random state to New Hampshire, for example.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And New Hampshire didn't need it. But because it was equitable, again,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: whatever that term means, they were deciding that it's going
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to go to the quote equitable area. Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Instead of distributing based on who needed it, they were
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: just sending it out to everybody. And they would have
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: been much better served if they had sent it, you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: where the hot spots were. And that's not the way
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I think he was with the federal government.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: For the first time to my knowledge, and anybody who
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: knows otherwise, I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: have never, ever in my entire career seen a government
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: politicize medication like they did. And to the detriment of
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: patients who needed it, who ended up either being hospitalized
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: or dying as a direct result of being unable to
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: access this life-saving medication.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Why do you think they did that? Do you think
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: they're boneheads or was it nefarious? Are they just boneheads?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's... Well, I mean, I think that's a given,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: but I think that there's also.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: It's both.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: There's also a certain degree of nefarious intent, which I
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: will get to in a minute, because I totally agree
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: with you. I think that there's a level of incompetence that,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: you know, is truly there, but this goes beyond that. So,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you know, people who needed this medicine literally couldn't access it,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and they died because of it. And then they came
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: out and said, and this goes to your point, Booker,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: they said... In December of 2021, they said that the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: prevalence of Omicron, there was an Omicron spike in the country,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and the government said the prevalence had reached a 70% threshold.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: And in their opinion, the monoclonals that we had available
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: at the time were not effective against Omicron, and that
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the 70% threshold was some magic number, and they were
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: going to shut the whole program down.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, say that again. I want you to say what
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: you just said again, because I think this is real important.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: And it kind of goes, it points to one of
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: those two things. It's either bonehead or nefarious. Maybe it's both.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: But again, say what you just said about the 70%.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: So the government said that once the 70% threshold, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that seems to be some magic number, like the six foot, you.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Know, staying apart from people. Yeah, that was pulled off.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: A bogus, like made up number. But regardless, they said
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: 70% threshold, once it reaches a 70% threshold, which they
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: said it did in late December of 2021, They were
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: going to shut the whole program down. Now, I was
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: very angry and I had hundreds of people set up
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to get infused that needed it. So we had to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: call and cancel every single one of these infusions. And
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: we literally had refrigerators stocked with this life-saving medicine that
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: we were just unable to use. And I had people
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: calling me, begging me, And I said, you know, they said, look,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I'll come in after hours and you can do it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: No one will know. And I was like, I can't
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: do that. I will lose my medical license or go
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: to jail because it's illegal. The government made it illegal
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to give this medicine now. And by the way, the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: medicine has virtually no side effects. And I say that
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: because we infused throughout the course of the pandemic, probably
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: close to, I think, probably close to 5,000 people. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I hired a pharmacist because I didn't know this was
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: all new to me and I wanted to make sure
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: we were providing our patients with the best care we
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: possibly could. And I said to him, he's a friend
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: of mine. I said, look, we're going to pay you
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: a retainer. I just want you to be on call.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Anyone has a question, they're going to call you. He said, absolutely.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I'll call him right back. No problem. Throughout the entirety
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: of all those people in that pandemic, I think he
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: got five phone calls. And the calls that he got
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: were primarily for vasovagal reactions, which is anytime anyone sticks
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a needle in somebody's arm, even for blood draws, a
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: certain percentage of people will pass out or feel lightheaded.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the medication you're giving them.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: It's just a reaction that people have.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: So the phone call was made to cover your rear
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: end to make sure that everything was okay.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But the point is that there was virtually zero side
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: effects with these medicines. So what the government did is
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: they took away people's right to make an informed decision
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: and informed consent with their doctor. Like this should be
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a decision between the provider, their doctor, and the patient.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Like if you came to me and I said, Booker,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: you know, you just tested positive for COVID and you're
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: really sick. I think you should get this medicine. But
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a chance it might not work. And
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I would say, Booker, what do you want to do?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: And that should be your decision. But the government took
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that decision away from people and for no reason. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: we don't even know what the prevalence truly was. because
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: we don't do enough genetic. We didn't do enough genetic
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: testing to know. So when you got just so people
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: understand this, when you got tested for COVID, it was
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it was either positive or negative. A PCR test.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: A very, very, very, very like one percent. percentage of
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: those tests would get sent to the CDC and they
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: would get genetically tested to see which variant of COVID
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: somebody had. And they were, it was done. You wouldn't
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: even know because they did it without your consent.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, anonymously.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Anonymously, right. So the United States was the lowest of
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: all the countries in the world, to my knowledge, to
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: test for genetic variants. We were testing less than 1%
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: of those samples.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Well, let's go back to the 70%. What happened with
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: that 70%? What did you find out about that?
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So a couple of weeks later, I think two, three,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: four weeks later, whatever it was, the government retracts and says,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: they never said they were sorry. They never apologized. But
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: they said, we misread the data and we got it wrong.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It was actually 20%, not 70%.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: That's a big miss.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: That's a big freaking miss. Excuse my language. So either...
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Either to your point, Booker, either it's gross and just
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: complete malpractice level negligence and incompetence.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Bonehead.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Or there's bonehead or there's some nefarious intent. Now, as
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I said before, I was really angry about this. So
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I went on Fox News and I went on Newsmax
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and I went on a bunch of other right-leaning media
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and I just tore into the government. I said, they
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing. I did use the words,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: they're going to kill people and people are going to
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: die because of this.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: And.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: You know, I take no pleasure in the fact that
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I was right, but they allowed us, whatever it was,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: three weeks later, however long it was, they allowed us
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to start infusing again once they acknowledged that they had
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: made a mistake. And I put mistake in quotation marks
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: to your point, because I don't know really what their
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: motivation was.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: But you're out there all over. You're on Newsmax. You're
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: on Fox. You're everywhere that you can find on the
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: right side, on the conservative side, because the left and
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: the mainstream media at that point, they don't want to
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: hear your story because they're all about the vaccine. That's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: all they care about. And they don't want to hear you.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So you're going to where you can be heard and
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: you're loud about it.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Loud and obnoxious.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Loud and obnoxious. Perfect. And the government under Joe Biden,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: as so many of us know, They weaponized government against
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: people from Donald Trump all the way down here to Dr.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Ron Elfenbein. That's who we're talking to. And we're going
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: to continue this conversation. Don't go anywhere because this conversation
• 32:15
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• 32:17
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• 32:22
  Speaker 3: He was charged. He was convicted by a jury. And
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: then the judge who sat for that trial said, well,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: wait a minute. I'm acquitting him. and then there was
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: an appeal, and now he's awaiting a new trial. We're
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: gonna hear about all of that coming up.
• 32:36
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• 32:38
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• 32:40
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• 32:43
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• 33:04
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• 33:17
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• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Elfenbein, let's get into the nitty-gritty of this as we
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: get here in this last segment of this hour. Because
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: this is where things get good. You were loud on television.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: You said that they're going to kill people. And that
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: probably got some people's attention. Pick up the story there.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: And one thing I didn't mention, I think this is relevant, too,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: is that the government actually approached me. The federal government
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: approached me at one point and asked me to open
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: up a site, monoclonal site. at FedEx field where the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Redskins played for the formerly known as the Redskins team
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: plays football. And we did that in partnership with HHS
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: health and human services and the Maryland department of health.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: They came, they approached me and they asked me to
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: do it. And we did.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: What year was that?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: What year did you do that? 2020 early, I think
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: late 2020 or early 2021.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: So that was maybe still the Trump administration HHS that
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: did that. And, and you went to the Washington Redskins
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: stadium and, No longer the Redskins, Commanders, whatever they are.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: They'll always be the Redskins to me. They were my
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: favorite team when I was a kid growing up. They
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: had Billy Kilmer as quarterback, Ron Jorgensen. I don't know
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: if you remember those. I know you're too young, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I love the Redskins. You can't say the Redskins anymore,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: but you can on this program, so don't worry about it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: So this is 2021, somewhere in that time frame. By
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: the way, how many patients did you treat during this
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: time period from 2020 until the pandemic was over?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Over 300,000. Okay, 300,000.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's an important number. I want you to
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: hang on to that number. If you're listening to this,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: hang on to that number as we continue on here
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: in this last segment. Keep going.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: We tested and or treated. So I made them very loud,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: obnoxious comments, and I stand by those comments because it's
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the truth. And what they did is unconscionable, and it
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: cost people their lives. I can guarantee you that. A
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: certain percentage of people are no longer alive because of
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the stupidity and or nefarious intent of the Biden administration
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: in late 2021. So they let us go back to
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: infusing in early 2022. And then they started to remove
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: the emergency use authorizations of the monoclonal antibodies one by one.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: There were like, I think six or seven at the
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: time that you could pick from. And they started to
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: very slowly and then eventually very quickly take away those EUAs.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Now something to your point, Booker, and this is important
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: about nefarious intent. One of the things I've subsequently learned
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: is that first secretary Kennedy, there is a little known
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: federal law that if there's an emergency use authorization for
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a vaccine for a virus, If there's anything that's proven
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: efficacious against the virus, the emergency use authorization of the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: vaccine goes away. So in other words, that's why the
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: government had to beat anybody who was trying to talk
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: about hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. And I would argue monoclonal antibodies
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: are even more than that because this literally was the cure.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: You could cure somebody in 30 minutes of COVID. And
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I saw it with my own two eyes. People would
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: come in blue. with their pulse oximeter in the 80s,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: you should be 100% your oxygen saturation. They would be
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: in the 80s gasping for breath. You give them this
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: medicine and halfway through the infusion, they were like, oh
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: my God, I feel so much better. I've never seen
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: anything like it. So my outspokenness and the fact that
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: these things worked and I was the largest supplier in
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Maryland to put the EUA of the vaccine in direct risk.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: So four months later, Out of the blue with no warning,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I find myself indicted on federal healthcare fraud charges for
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: patients I had not seen. Typically, healthcare fraud is for
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: patients or just for things that don't exist, like people
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: making up patients or wheelchairs that never got delivered or
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: things like that. These were real people. No one has
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: ever alleged that we made up charts, made up patients, whatever.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: These were actual patients. In fact, they charged me with
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: five counts of Three of them, the government called at
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: my trial and they all testified. Yeah, I got seen. Yes,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I got tested. That's not fraud. But so anyway, they
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: said that that we were we were charging too much.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: We were upcoding. We picked the wrong code.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about that, because that's where the fraud was,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: according to the government.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So first of all, the ICD-10 system, which we use
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: to code things, there's over 69,000 codes.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's explain that just a little bit. When you
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: go to the doctor and you have a sore throat,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: there's a code for that. There's a code for everything.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: And there's someone in a doctor's office that knows the codes.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: They put the codes on the insurance. They don't put
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: anything else. They don't put you had a sore throat
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: when they're sending it to the insurance company to be paid.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: They just put the code in there. So that's what
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: you're talking about.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So it's an important point you're making. So when the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: insurance company, be it Medicare or private, it doesn't matter,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: when they get a bill, all they get is the
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: patient's name and a bunch of codes. So the government
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: charged me with crimes, okay, criminal charges for for fraud
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and they never looked at the charts and i know
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that because i had not turned them over to them
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: So first of all, we saw over 100,000 patients in
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that time frame. They looked at five. And they never
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: even had a professional coder look at those five charts,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: just government attorneys.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: You had a lot of people working for you. You
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: had a lot of people working for you. And so
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: I guess you probably are not sitting there writing the
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: codes to charge insurance or, in this case, the government
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: for this. You probably had someone doing that for you,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: I would think.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Well, not only were the providers doing it themselves, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: then we had a coding company, a billing and coding company,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: an outside company. So the government charged me with five
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: counts and they had not even looked at the charts.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: And that's important because the only way to know what
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the coding, whether it's appropriate or not, is to look
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: in the charts because it's all based on what happens
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: in the chart, what's written in the chart, but they
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: hadn't even had the charts. So they charged me with
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: crimes without any evidence. And, um, They got my name
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: wrong on all the charging documents. They didn't interview like
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: my partners who ran them, as I said before. Were
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: they charged? And the business side.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Were your partners charged at all?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: No, no. Nobody else was charged.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Nurse practitioners, PAs, no one. The guy who did the coding,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: that person, no one charged. Just me. It just happened
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: to be the guy that went on Fox and said
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: they're going to kill people. the guy that went on
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Newsmax and said those things.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And the guy, the guy who ran for state Senate
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: as a Republican and nearly beat a 30 year Democrat
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: incumbent so much so that they had to redistrict the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: district right at my front door, literally across the highway. Um,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: So I can't prove any of this, of course, but
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: it seems pretty clear to me that there was four
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: months elapsed. There was really no investigation that had been done.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: And they got my name wrong on all the charging documents.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Ron is not a difficult name. And they gave me
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a middle initial, which I don't have. I've never had
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: a middle name.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have a name. You don't have a
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: middle name. Your name's not Ronald or anything else. It's Ron.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: That's right. It's just Ron. So you would think that
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: if they're going to charge you with the crime, they
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: would at least know your name and they'd come after
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the right person. So even the judge, by the way,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: at a pretrial conference, called the government out and said,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: this whole thing looks like a case of, quote, shoot
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: first and ask questions later. And he was 100% right.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what this was. It was show me the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: man and I'll show you the crime kind of a thing. So,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: you know, we go to trial. How long was your trial?
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Three weeks.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: But it was only four days a week. The judge
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: took Fridays off. So it was just Monday through Thursday.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: So about 10, 12 days in total.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. And to your point, the jury somehow finds me guilty.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: But the entire time I'm sitting there, I'm like, they
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: literally did not present any evidence. They said, I'm not
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: exaggerating this. They said that I was wrong and that
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I had picked the wrong code. But they never said
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: what the right code was. They never said why I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: was wrong or how I was wrong. And they never
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: had a professional coder look at a single chart. There's
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: people who do this for a living. The only people
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: who looked at the charts were government lawyers. And what
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the hell does a government lawyer know about coding?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: So out of 100,000 people, you have five indictments, five
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: guilty charges now, and you face 50 years in prison
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: on this.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: 50 years and millions of dollars in restitution.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: And what is the difference between the code that you
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: should have used and the code that was used? What's
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: the difference in what you would charge the government or
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: health insurance or whoever it is that's paying?
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: So let me just correct you because you said the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: code I should have used. So we actually had a
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: professional coder come and testify. And he said he looked
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: at hundreds of our charts. And this guy was the
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: president of the American Association of Professional Coders. So he's
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: not some Yahoo. He said the coding was all correct.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: In fact, a couple of charts may have been undercoded.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: The government never said what the right code should have been,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: which is just mind boggling. And they never said how
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I was wrong. But even if let's just assume I
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: was wrong. So we were billing what's called a level
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: four visit. If we if you say we should have
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: been billing a level three. And by the way, if
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: the government had just picked up the damn phone. and said, hey,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: we have a question about your billing, which leads me
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to believe that none of this is about billing. It's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: just a ruse. But if they had called me, like
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: any normal human being would have done, and to say,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: we don't understand your billing, and we have a conversation
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: about this, I would have happily sat down with them.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: And if they would have said, we think you overcoded, fine,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I would have paid the money back if they said
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: that you owe money back. There would have been no problem.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: That's what a normal person would have done. Like if someone,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: if you go to the grocery store and you're buying
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: blueberries and they charge you for two things of blueberries,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: you don't call the police. You go and you speak
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to the checkout person. You said that you made a mistake,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: but they didn't give me that opportunity. So anyway, the
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: difference between what we were billing, which I had a
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: perfectly reasonable and logical explanation for why we were doing it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And the coding people said we were right. But regardless,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: the difference between that and the next lowest level, level three,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: on average, because every insurance company is a little bit different,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: is about $ 50, okay? So five times 50 is $ 250.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: So the government is basically alleging that, charging me with
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: 50 years in jail over a $ 250 billing dispute. Like
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: in what world, universe, galaxy does that make any sense?
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make any to me, which is why I'm
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: giving you the platform to tell this very story. And
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I want the listeners to hear this also because, you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I'll leave it up to them to decide, you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: what is this all about? Because, you know, $ 15 million
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: is what was alleged you billed during this. That's what
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: the government said and the Department of Justice releases on this,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: the news releases. Was it even close to $ 15 million
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: in total?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Well, so I think with the number they're using, I
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: still don't understand that, by the way. But I think
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that number represents all the patients that we saw, the 100,000
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: patients that we saw in the time of the indictment. Now,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: just so your listeners understand, that's what we billed, I'm assuming.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: That's not what we got paid, okay? And it's certainly
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: not what I got paid. But what the business gets
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: is about a third of what you bill. So if
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: it's legitimate that we bill $ 15 million for 100,000 patients, right?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: We probably got somewhere in that range, roughly.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Now, out of that, from a business aspect, and you're
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: not the business guy, you have partners to do that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: But out of that comes cost for all the people
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: that you hired, for all the things that you have
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: to purchase, the cost of doing business. So it's not
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: like anybody's making $ 5 million either. So all those costs
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: of business, yeah.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: And the cost of business during a major pandemic, right?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: So everything is like 15 times more expensive than any
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: other time. So, you know, it was, it was insane.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: And just so your listeners understand, the American Medical Association,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not even a member of the AMA, but they
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: came to my defense. So I know people would say, oh, well,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: they're going to come to one of their own doctor's defense.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not a member.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: And I've never heard of a time when they've ever
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: done this before. They wrote an amicus brief, a friend
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: of the court brief, to the court and said, now,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: people understand, the rules that the government's accusing me of breaking,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the AMA wrote. And the AMA said, I didn't break
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: these rules. But yet the government's still prosecuting me and
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: still coming after me.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Well, it seems like that there's a lot of ambiguity
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: as well when it comes to these codes. And the
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: amazing thing here, as we're getting close to the end
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: of the hour, we've got a few more minutes here.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: We're going to have to wrap it up. And I
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: want to get to the full story. The amazing thing
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: to me is you do not see a judge reverse
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: the guilty plea that a jury came to very often.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't happen. And it happened in this case.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: And that really means something. And if you Google this
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: case and you can read about it, you can see
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: both sides of the story. You're hearing one side here.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to give you both sides of the story.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: But this judge allows the jury to make their decision
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: of guilt on all five charges. Then the judge says, well,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: wait a minute. There was no case. Just like you said,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: he said at the beginning of the trial, it looks
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: like you're shooting first and asking questions later. By the
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: time all the evidence was presented before this judge, he
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: had come to that same conclusion at the end, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: he acquits you. But it's not over. It's not over, though.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: And a 93-page opinion, which, again, is unheard of. The
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court doesn't issue 93-page opinions. And I just want
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: to read a couple of quotes because they're important. He said, quote,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: there can, of course, be no crimes if the defendant
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: complied with those rules. Quote, the evidence weighs so heavily
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: in favor of the defendant that it would be unjust
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: to enter judgment against him, end quote. quote, the government
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: did not carry its burden and no reasonable jury could
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: have so concluded. And this was after I got convicted
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: by a jury. And we can certainly go into why
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I think the jury voted to convict me, but there
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: was literally no evidence presented of any wrongdoing. And that's
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: what the judge pointed out in 93 pages. Not only
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: did he acquit me of all five charges, but he
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: also said, in case the government appeals, you are guaranteed
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: a new trial. And as they were packing their bags,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: literally boxing up their offices, the Biden DOJ, Picks me
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: in the back one more time and decides to appeal.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: At the 11th hour of the 11th day, just before
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Trump's inaugurated, they decided to appeal. So now I'm facing
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a new trial, a second criminal trial in August of
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: this year. And I'm trying to get someone in the
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Trump administration to look at this objectively. And this is just,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: there's a weaponization group that Trump established and former Attorney
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: General Bondi established. And I think this is a perfect
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: case for that because this is exactly what this is.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: It's a weapon.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: DOJ against me. And even the judge saw through it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: And by the way, that judge is not some right
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: wing judge. He was an Obama appointee.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: And he was the chief judge of the state of Maryland,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: the chief federal judge in the entire state.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I think the jury probably looked at the $ 15 million.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: And said he's guilty, and that was the end of it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And what did they use to, quote-unquote,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: prove my criminal intent? They put up my tax returns.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: And the government, look how much money he made before
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the pandemic, look how much he made after the pandemic.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: He's got to be guilty of something. That's literally what
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: they said.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't make you guilty.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Of course not.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Right. And keep in mind, too, as you're listening to this,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: that the government came to him. The government came to
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: you and said, set up these test sites. So just
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: because of that and doing it at the Washington Redskins Stadium,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: you saw 100,000 people. That's a lot of people. That's
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of money. You were asked to do it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: You did it. And as a result of that, you're
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: going to make some money, and you're going to bill
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: a large amount of money because— That's what happens when
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: you're doing that kind of business and seeing those kind
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: of patients. It's a very interesting story. Your trial is
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: coming up in August 2026. Who knows? Maybe someone may
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: hear this that might be able to make a difference
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: in your life and, you know, do the right thing here.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: I'm convinced that there is no reason for the Department
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: of Justice to under any administration to continue to pursue this.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: And the reason why I say that is, again, you're
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: talking about five of 100,000. We all make mistakes, and
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: somebody somewhere, maybe they made a mistake, maybe they didn't.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: We really don't know because, as you said, they didn't
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: even see the charts to begin with to know exactly
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: what that person received in the way of medical care.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: We're about out of time, but I'll let you have
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: a last word here Anything else you would like to
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: say here, Dr. Ron Elfenbein is his name. He's from Annapolis, Maryland.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: And are you living in Anne Arundel County, or was
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: it Prince George?
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: No, I live in Anne Arundel County.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Last word from you, and we're going to end this hour.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Booker, thank you. It was a
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: real pleasure to talk to you and to be on
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: your show. I'm in real honor, so thank you. Listen,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: this has been a nightmare beyond epic proportions. And I
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: did nothing wrong. And to have your own government weaponized
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: against you like this is just unbelievable and devastating. And
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: people could go to my website, dropthecase.com. If you have
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the means, please, there's a give, send, go on there. Please,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: it's been nearly bankrupted, my wife, myself, and my four children.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: And we have a change.org. If people can sign that,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: it's free. And it's just an online petition. But you
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: can learn more about the case. You can reach out
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: to me. I'm happy to talk to anybody. And please
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: follow me on X at Ron Elfenbein MD on X.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I really appreciate the opportunity and thank you.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And I just think it's important that people understand that
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: if they can do this to me and they can
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: do this to the president, they can do this to anybody.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: So we should all care about this and we should
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: all be very careful because this is not right. And
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: it is pretty much the most un-American thing you could
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: do to somebody.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: There are no boundaries with the communist when it comes
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: to freedom and liberty, because They don't want you to
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: have it. We know they weaponized government under Joe Biden.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: We can't allow that to happen. We have midterms coming
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: up in November. They are very important to the future
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: of this country and to prevent things like what happened
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: to Dr. Ron Elfenbein. I hope you've enjoyed this hour.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: I have.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I'm Booker Scott. Thank you for joining us tonight and
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: every night. And don't forget that you were told 2,000
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: years ago that you are the salt of the earth.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: And salt without flavor, it has no value. So whatever
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: you do, keep being salty. Have a great night.
• 53:14
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