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- 0:00Get her to the hospital. And the first doctor who came in
- 0:03said, do you know you have a big old murmur? Which is
- 0:07literally how he said it. And she was like, what? No. And he's like,
- 0:11yeah, you have a heart murmur. And she's like, what? And
- 0:15then he said, this sounds like heart failure to me. Like,
- 0:19how long have you been treated for heart failure? And she said, I haven't been
- 0:22treated for heart failure. This doctor sat with
- 0:26my mother and talked through every single complaint she had, emergent
- 0:30or otherwise, she talked through every
- 0:34concern we had. We talked through every bad experience. We talked through all the
- 0:38things that, that I felt were being mismanaged, that I felt weren't being
- 0:41managed. She explained stuff to me that nobody has explained to me.
- 0:46Boop. Hi everybody, I'm Lauren Howard.
- 0:49Welcome to Different Not Broken, which is our
- 0:53podcast on exactly that, that there are a lot of people in this world walking
- 0:56around feeling broken, and the reality is you're just different. And that's fine.
- 1:03Before I get into this, I just wanna say, I work in healthcare. I see
- 1:07good healthcare every day. I see exceptional healthcare every
- 1:10day. I work with incredible doctors. I work with clinicians who
- 1:14blow me away with their intelligence and their skill. I tease them all the time
- 1:18because that's like, of course I do, that's just me. But I love
- 1:22the doctors I work with. I love the nurse practitioners I work with. I'm fortunate
- 1:25that I get to work with them every day, and I see amazing healthcare being
- 1:29delivered literally every day.
- 1:32And so I know it's out there. I know it's possible. I know
- 1:36there are people who benefit from it. But I also know
- 1:40that some of the things I've seen lately, and I say this as a
- 1:44person who knows healthcare inside and out, who knows what to look
- 1:47for, who speaks medical jargon, who can keep up in conversations
- 1:52about medical issues. I say this as
- 1:55a person who is not new to this. The
- 1:59shit care that has come out of people
- 2:04who know better recently just has
- 2:07me so frustrated. And
- 2:11anybody who knows me knows that if I end up in a situation where something's
- 2:14completely broken, I want to fix it. My brain immediately goes to, how
- 2:18could we have done this better? How could this have been communicated better? What
- 2:21product is missing to fix this problem? And the
- 2:24totality of the number of things that had to go wrong
- 2:29to end up here or to end up with what happened is so
- 2:32huge. It is an entire system
- 2:36that I can't fix by myself. I don't even know that 1,000 of us working
- 2:40hard could fix it. I don't know that a million of us working hard could
- 2:43fix it. Our healthcare system is so
- 2:48mired in its own nonsense. That I don't know
- 2:52how to fix it. I think some of it will be improved
- 2:56by people aging out, like just doctors
- 3:00retiring who need to retire. But then that
- 3:04sounds like a solution, right? We're gonna get these providers who have
- 3:08kind of antiquated ways of thinking out of our processes,
- 3:13but we don't have doctors to replace them. Our primary care shortage is
- 3:17so huge. Our specialist shortage is huge. But people are going into
- 3:21medical school specialized now, or into residency specialized now.
- 3:25We don't have as much option to put people into primary care
- 3:29or general practice or internal medicine to become primary care. It's just
- 3:33not the way our system works anymore. And so the primary care deficit that we
- 3:36already have is huge. And then the one that follows as we go through the
- 3:40retirements of the next 10 years, worse. It sounds
- 3:43great that people are gonna retire. We're settling for insufficient care,
- 3:47but is insufficient care better than no care? I don't have an answer for that,
- 3:52but it is like a, a huge question that keeps coming up.
- 3:56Anyway, anybody who has been around me in any
- 4:00way in the last several months knows that my mom
- 4:04has been sick and there's been a number of hospitalizations and she's back in the
- 4:07hospital again, which sucks, but I don't like when she's in the
- 4:10hospital. But I am less anxious when
- 4:14she's in the hospital because it means there's somebody with her. It means that she's
- 4:18not home alone. I don't have to worry about having somebody with her all the
- 4:21time. And also it means she's getting medical care that she needs. They don't keep
- 4:25you in the hospital academically. If you're in the hospital, you need to be in
- 4:27the hospital. So she's there, but I'm really angry about the
- 4:31reason that she's there. I'm glad she's there now and I'm glad they're addressing it
- 4:35now, but her experience is so
- 4:39typical, so common of what
- 4:43we have seen so many times with
- 4:46women in healthcare, just women getting healthcare. And
- 4:51it truly took a bunch of women to
- 4:54straighten it out or to at least get her on the right path. I am
- 4:58not the most observant person. Minor changes in
- 5:01people's like looks, I don't usually notice.
- 5:06I certainly don't usually call them out, but 6 months ago,
- 5:09I noticed that my mom just didn't look right. She looked different. She was
- 5:13carrying weight in places where she had never carried weight before. It looked like she
- 5:17had gained a bunch of weight. I wasn't sure why. It didn't make any sense
- 5:20to me because that has not been a problem in recent years.
- 5:24And it was enough that I was concerned. I wasn't concerned that she had gained
- 5:28weight. People gain weight. I was concerned that she had gained weight in places where
- 5:31she had never gained weight before. And she looked different.
- 5:35And so I started calling all of her doctors, and I think
- 5:39I've talked about this before. It's been a long process of like fighting to get
- 5:42tests done, asking a bunch of questions, literally
- 5:46calling her doctors anytime they would get on the phone with me and saying,
- 5:50there's a problem here. Can someone intervene? What are we missing? What are we doing?
- 5:53Taking her to new doctors. She's probably seen 10 or 12 doctors this year
- 5:56alone. And trying to figure out why, getting tests run. I had to call
- 6:00in favors to get tests run because, like,
- 6:05one of her doctors literally told me that what the diagnosis that
- 6:09I thought could be a problem, and I wasn't saying she had it, I was
- 6:11just saying, can we test for this? One of the diagnoses that I
- 6:15thought she had was really hard to diagnose, so running the labs doesn't do much.
- 6:19And I was like, it's hard to diagnose, so you just don't, you just don't
- 6:23run the labs? That doesn't, don't you want the labs anyway? Yeah.
- 6:27What? That doesn't make sense. And so it's been stuff like that over and
- 6:31over. And she's been complaining of weight gain. She's been complaining of
- 6:35fatigue. She tells me she just falls asleep all the time, which is, I, I
- 6:38mean, like, I can count on one hand the number of times that I remember
- 6:42my mom napping growing up. It was never a thing that happened. And she would
- 6:46just fall asleep. She was sleeping later. She had very little exercise
- 6:50tolerance. She had very little motivation to do things, and she had
- 6:54zero appetite, wasn't eating at all, and still gaining weight.
- 6:58And I sat with her with multiple doctor's appointments
- 7:02where she kept telling them, and I would pipe in and tell them, because sometimes
- 7:06she, like, in front of her doctor, she'll downplay things. I don't know why,
- 7:09because that's not usually her vibe. Her vibe is usually
- 7:13upplay things, so all the eyeballs go on me. But sometimes with her
- 7:17doctor, she just doesn't tell them enough about what's going on. And so even I
- 7:20would say like, no, I'm watching, this is happening. And I
- 7:24can't tell you how many times people told her to just lose weight.
- 7:28And I kept saying, okay, but she's not eating. She's
- 7:32eating so little and she has GI issues
- 7:36and you're telling her to just lose weight, but she's not eating. Well, she needs
- 7:39to exercise more. Okay, but she's short of breath. She has
- 7:43really low exercise tolerance. She can't even walk like she used to.
- 7:47Well, she's getting older. Okay, but this is not a 5-year decline. This is a
- 7:516-month decline. What is going on here? She needs to lose weight.
- 7:55That was literally the outcome almost every time we had this conversation. I went to
- 7:58my trip over the weekend or last week, had a great time, came back,
- 8:02brought my mom lunch a day after I got back and could tell
- 8:06like her, she sounded like a freight train when she was breathing. And I said,
- 8:09are you having trouble breathing? And she said, yeah, I talked to my doctor
- 8:13on Friday. You know, you're bringing me on Monday. Yeah. But I feel like I
- 8:16can't breathe. And I said, why are you sitting at home alone when you can't
- 8:20breathe? Like, why didn't we go to the hospital? She's like, well, I don't wanna
- 8:23go to the hospital. And I was like, well, that's a stupid reason. So I
- 8:27ordered a pulse ox machine that, listen, I'll be honest, Walmart
- 8:31delivery is clutch. I don't love Walmart, but I just go on my phone
- 8:35and tap 2 buttons and literally 19 minutes later I had a
- 8:39pulse ox in my hand and I put it on her finger. Wow. Her
- 8:42saturation was at 80. Anything below 90 is like a red flag.
- 8:46Big problem. Go to the hospital. I called her doctor and he
- 8:50said all the right things. He said, well, yeah, I talked to her about this
- 8:52on Friday. It sounded like she was having trouble breathing. She said she
- 8:56didn't have a pulse ox. And I'm thinking, you didn't tell her to
- 9:00go get one? You didn't tell her to just, hey, do you have any
- 9:04delivery apps that can deliver a pulse ox to you?
- 9:07In a couple minutes, since that's a thing we do in
- 9:102026. Did you just let her sit here without
- 9:14checking her oxygen level? Okay, cool. You have a
- 9:17patient who called you and told you that she's short of breath and you said,
- 9:21try some medicine and I'll see you on Monday without actually
- 9:25checking whether she was hypoxic. Okay, whatever. I
- 9:28said, yeah, all right, I'm taking her to the emergency room. I took her over
- 9:30to the emergency room. She fought me a little bit, but for the most part,
- 9:33she just like has to have the outburst. And then once the outburst is done,
- 9:35she just does what she's told. She got in the car. I took her, get
- 9:39her to the hospital, and the first doctor who came in
- 9:42said, do you know you have a big old murmur? Which is
- 9:46literally how he said it. And she was like, what? No. And he is like,
- 9:50yeah, you have a heart murmur. And she's like, what? And
- 9:54then he said, this sounds like heart failure to me. Like,
- 9:58how long have you been treated for heart failure? And she said, I haven't been
- 10:01treated for heart failure. And he was like, what? Yeah. It's in your chart.
- 10:05She's like, I don't have heart failure. And he goes, I don't know, this kind
- 10:08of sounds like heart failure. And she's like, nobody's ever diagnosed me with heart
- 10:12failure. So he runs some tests, he leaves. We just happened to get there
- 10:15right as shift change was happening. So this new doctor comes in,
- 10:20and if I could sum her up in 2 words,
- 10:24it would be fucking delight. I want her
- 10:27to come be my friend. I want her to come hang out with me.
- 10:32I want her to tell me all of the inside tea about all of the
- 10:35hospital systems in our area, cuz I know she knows it. She kind of
- 10:39told me she does. She needs to be my friend.
- 10:42Emergency room doctors, their jobs are to treat 'em and street 'em. Like, you are
- 10:46not supposed to be doing a complete medical history. You are not supposed to be
- 10:49making referrals to 7,000 different providers unless it's the emergent issue
- 10:53or the urgent issue. You should be working
- 10:57with the immediate problem in front of you and either sending them home or admitting
- 11:01them to a hospital. That's their job. This doctor sat with my
- 11:05mother and talked through every single complaint she had,
- 11:08emergent or otherwise. She talked through every
- 11:13concern we had. We talked through every bad experience. We talked through all the
- 11:16things that, that I felt were being mismanaged, that I felt weren't being
- 11:20managed. She explained stuff to me that nobody has explained to me.
- 11:24My mom has no appetite. She hasn't eaten. She really doesn't eat at
- 11:28all for days and days on end and then is gaining weight. And
- 11:32she said, this sounds like heart failure. And also you have what's called a
- 11:36pleural effusion, which is fluid around the lungs. And if that's
- 11:40pressing on your stomach, it's making you feel full,
- 11:44and that's why you can't eat. And she went, oh,
- 11:48why are you the first person to explain this to me? She was like, I
- 11:51don't know. And I asked her, I said, is the pleural effusion new? She said,
- 11:54no, it was on the imaging before. I said, so they just didn't
- 11:58do anything about it? And she was like, there's, there's sometimes the right thing to
- 12:02do is to watch it, but then sometimes the right thing to do is to
- 12:05try to get the fluid off. And we definitely need to get the fluid off.
- 12:09She said, and sometimes the right thing to do is to drain it, but I
- 12:11don't know that they're gonna drain it. So I said to her, so you're
- 12:15saying she has heart failure? And she said, yeah, I mean, she's had
- 12:186 studies that confirm heart failure, and
- 12:22she was diagnosed with it 6 months ago. And I was like,
- 12:26wait, she has never been referred to a cardiologist? I'm here for
- 12:30all of this. She's never been referred to a cardiologist. She certainly is not
- 12:34on any medication for it because she already takes 18 medications.
- 12:38So somebody diagnosed her with heart failure and then nobody treated it? And
- 12:42she was trying to be politically savvy and she was like, well, I can't really
- 12:45speak to that, but it does look like she was diagnosed with heart failure and
- 12:48it does look like it needs to be treated. And I looked at her in
- 12:51the face and I said, I just want to be clear about this. She has
- 12:54been complaining of weight gain, severe
- 12:58fatigue, physical symptoms, poor
- 13:01appetite, inability to eat, low exercise
- 13:05tolerance. And you're telling me instead of diagnosing or treating
- 13:09the heart failure that had already been diagnosed, they just called her
- 13:12fat? And she didn't really have much to say to that. And not because— I
- 13:16could tell she wanted to, but she was like, we know what to do now.
- 13:20She's like, we— I'm confident we know what to do now. And I was like,
- 13:22I'm confident too, because heart failure is super treatable. But she's been saying
- 13:26this for 6 months, and her— even her doctors who know her
- 13:30exceptionally well And who have been her doctors for decades
- 13:34just told her to lose weight. And the reality is that her heart is literally
- 13:37failing. And I have not been quiet about this. I have been a squeaky wheel
- 13:41about this nonstop since it became apparent to me. Women could
- 13:45walk into a doctor's office with their arm
- 13:49literally falling off, and the doctor would say, have
- 13:53you tried diet and exercise? It's really bad.
- 13:57And I say that as somebody, one, who knows what to look for, two,
- 14:01who has been fighting back against that for several months now just on behalf of
- 14:05my mom, not even globally fighting against it, which I also do,
- 14:09but three, like, knows how to find more resources. How
- 14:12many people out there are going to their doctor— and I know that it's a
- 14:16lot— how many people out there are going to their doctor with legitimate complaints and
- 14:19just being told that if you diet and exercise, everything will be fine? You're just
- 14:22anxious. You're just being neurotic. She has
- 14:26actual heart failure. She could have died.
- 14:30She already couldn't breathe. She was already not getting oxygen
- 14:34because of this thing that everybody Spider-Man memed their way out of
- 14:37treating. They all thought that somebody else was doing it.
- 14:41Nobody was doing it. We are failing people in our
- 14:44healthcare system in ways that I sit upright in the
- 14:48middle of the night trying to figure out how to fix, and I just don't
- 14:51freaking know how. This person, she has 10 doctors.
- 14:56She has easily seen 10 doctors this year, and
- 14:59everybody passed the buck to somebody else, and nobody referred her to a cardiologist.
- 15:04How does that happen? And if it's happening to her, how many other
- 15:08people is it happening to? Because I know it's happening to a lot. We have
- 15:11to do better. She could have died. She could have died, and it would have
- 15:15been someone's fault. It would not have been her body's fault. It would have been
- 15:18someone's fault. It's just not acceptable. I promise
- 15:22that women are more than just fat. It's not surprising, but there was a
- 15:26moment about it that was, like, really devastating, because yesterday is when it
- 15:30all came together for me. And of course, shit's coming together now
- 15:33that there are 2 women doctors who are running the show. There's good data that
- 15:37shows that women doctors have better outcomes and have lower mortality
- 15:41rates than male doctors by, like, a stretch of a lot. It's not a small
- 15:44margin. So 2 women doctors are finally kicking
- 15:48asses and taking names and getting things straightened out. But she
- 15:52was giving me some of the updates from some of the doctors that she talked
- 15:54to and what they said and what they were doing. And yes, it definitely is
- 15:58heart failure. And I finally text her later in the day because this felt like
- 16:01somebody punched me in the stomach. And I said, do you understand that what they're
- 16:05saying is you've had heart failure for
- 16:096 months? Or longer, but we just thought you were fat?
- 16:13That's basically what they're saying. That's what is happening. I'm not usually the
- 16:16reactive one. I'm usually the one that's like, okay, let's get all the information and
- 16:20we'll make an assessment. And I was like, I'm gonna fight somebody.
- 16:24And my mom, who usually is the reactive one, like she is literally like a
- 16:28ticking time bomb all the time, was like, well, I'm just glad
- 16:31that they're figuring it out now. And I was like, do you have heart
- 16:35failure and dementia? Like, where— what just happened? She doesn't have dementia,
- 16:39but she was like, I'm just glad they're figuring it out. And I was like,
- 16:42who is this Zen person who has replaced my
- 16:45borderline violent mother? I don't understand what's happening. I'm
- 16:49so angry about it. But that, that was actually what— and I said to her,
- 16:52I was like, I'm actually really angry about this. And she was like, don't be
- 16:55mad, it's a waste of your energy to be mad. I'm like, that, that has
- 16:58never been your philosophy before. You have never met a mad that you did not
- 17:01have time for. So I don't know what's happening here. But I said back
- 17:05to her, I was like, you just don't want me to go hit your primary
- 17:08care with my car. And she goes, I also do not want you to do
- 17:10that. You don't want me to fight with your internist. She's like, I do
- 17:14not want you to fight with my internist. That is correct. Yeah. Welcome
- 17:18to the American healthcare system. And now
- 17:20we'll go to Alison, who has
- 17:24this week's Small Talk. All right. We've got a Small Talk from
- 17:28Brianna. And Brianna asks, what does joy
- 17:32feel like for you with ADHD? Because for
- 17:35me, it's massive and loud and it takes up the whole room and people
- 17:39have always told me I'm too much or so extra. Lately,
- 17:43I've been wondering if the joy was never the problem, if
- 17:47maybe the problem was just people who couldn't hold it. What do you
- 17:51think? First, I wanna say I've never actually been diagnosed with ADHD. I've never
- 17:54been treated for it. I think. My brain probably has
- 17:58read a lot of those tendencies, but I think
- 18:02regardless what construct is around where you think your joy comes
- 18:06from, like, it doesn't matter where it comes from, it's your joy. People who think
- 18:10your joy is too much don't deserve your joy. We live in a world that
- 18:13has way too little joy, way too little.
- 18:17If you turn on the news, it is constant and unrelenting
- 18:21doom and gloom about people who just give zero shits about other
- 18:25people. About people who have no
- 18:29soul, who are bleeding us
- 18:34dry of everything good about our society,
- 18:38who operate with no humanity. And joy is humanity
- 18:42at its most basic. And so if you have joy to
- 18:45share, share it. And if those people don't like it, let them
- 18:49go be miserable curmudgeons somewhere else. And let's find somebody
- 18:53who loves your joy as much as you do. You are not too much. They're
- 18:56not enough. You can't have too much joy unless
- 19:00you're like celebrating something awful. Don't
- 19:04celebrate something awful. If little things in life bring you intense
- 19:07amounts of joy, I am so jealous. I would love to
- 19:11have that problem, and you should not darken that
- 19:15light for anybody. Find new people. Don't
- 19:19tamp down your joy. You have been born with a gift and a way
- 19:22of approaching the world that is
- 19:26special and magical and joyful. Those people can get bent.
- 19:30That's usually my advice. At the end of the day, that's usually my advice. Get
- 19:33bent. Those people can get bent. Maybe instead of Small Talk, we
- 19:36should call this, like, The Ways That L2 Tells People to Get Bent.
- 19:40But those people can get bent. Please go get bent. Be as
- 19:44joyful as you have the capacity for and share it widely because
- 19:48other people deserve your Enjoy and get bent. Thanks for being here,
- 19:52guys. Have a good day. Love you mean it.
- 19:57I don't know why that's so satisfying to say, but it really is.