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In Pursuit of Wonder: Lessons from "Billy Finds Bigfoot" · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

• 3:37
  Hi,
• 3:37
  my
• 3:37
  name
• 3:37
  is
• 3:37
  Kev
• 3:38
  Lestarge,
• 3:38
  and
• 3:39
  my
• 3:39
  book
• 3:39
  is
• 3:39
  called
• 3:40
  Billy
• 3:40
  Finds
• 3:40
  Bigfoot.
• 3:42
  Thanks,
• 3:42
  Kevin,
• 3:42
  for
• 3:43
  appearing
• 3:43
  on
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  Adventures
• 3:44
  in
• 3:44
  the
• 3:44
  Heart
• 3:44
  of
• 3:45
  Children's
• 3:45
  Book
• 3:45
  Authors
• 3:46
  podcast.
• 3:47
  Kevin
• 3:48
  has
• 3:48
  mentioned
• 3:48
  he's
• 3:49
  written
• 3:49
  a
• 3:49
  book
• 3:50
  called
• 3:50
  Billy
• 3:52
  Finds
• 3:52
  Bigfoot,
• 3:53
  and
• 3:53
  I'm
• 3:54
  looking
• 3:54
  forward
• 3:54
  to
• 3:55
  this
• 3:55
  conversation
• 3:56
  because
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  have
• 3:57
  my
• 3:57
  own
• 3:58
  personal
• 3:59
  Bigfoot
• 4:00
  experience.
• 4:01
  Before
• 4:01
  we
• 4:02
  jump
• 4:02
  into
• 4:02
  the
• 4:03
  details
• 4:03
  of
• 4:03
  your
• 4:04
  book,
• 4:04
  Kevin,
• 4:04
  can
• 4:04
  you
• 4:05
  tell
• 4:05
  us
• 4:05
  what.
• 4:05
  What
• 4:06
  being
• 4:06
  a
• 4:06
  children's
• 4:07
  book
• 4:07
  author
• 4:08
  means
• 4:08
  to
• 4:09
  you?
• 4:10
  Yeah,
• 4:10
  sure.
• 4:10
  Thank
• 4:11
  you
• 4:11
  again,
• 4:11
  Eric,
• 4:12
  for
• 4:12
  having
• 4:12
  me
• 4:12
  on
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  show.
• 4:13
  To
• 4:13
  me,
• 4:13
  being
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  children's
• 4:15
  book
• 4:15
  author
• 4:15
  is
• 4:15
  definitely.
• 4:17
  It's
• 4:17
  a
• 4:17
  feather
• 4:18
  in
• 4:18
  your
• 4:18
  cap
• 4:18
  that
• 4:19
  you
• 4:19
  can
• 4:19
  always
• 4:20
  wear.
• 4:21
  And.
• 4:22
  But
• 4:22
  more
• 4:22
  to
• 4:22
  that,
• 4:23
  it's
• 4:23
  also
• 4:24
  a
• 4:24
  story
• 4:24
  that
• 4:24
  I
• 4:24
  can
• 4:25
  pass
• 4:25
  on
• 4:25
  to
• 4:25
  my
• 4:26
  own
• 4:26
  children,
• 4:27
  hopefully
• 4:27
  their
• 4:27
  children,
• 4:28
  and
• 4:28
  to
• 4:28
  anyone
• 4:29
  else's
• 4:29
  children
• 4:29
  and
• 4:30
  family
• 4:30
  or
• 4:30
  anyone
• 4:31
  who
• 4:31
  might
• 4:31
  have
• 4:32
  little
• 4:32
  ones
• 4:33
  in
• 4:33
  their
• 4:33
  life.
• 4:34
  So
• 4:34
  that
• 4:34
  type
• 4:35
  of
• 4:35
  quote
• 4:36
  unquote
• 4:37
  legacy
• 4:38
  is.
• 4:38
  It
• 4:38
  means
• 4:39
  something
• 4:39
  to
• 4:39
  me.
• 4:40
  And
• 4:41
  it's
• 4:41
  just
• 4:41
  all
• 4:42
  about
• 4:42
  stories
• 4:42
  and
• 4:43
  sharing
• 4:43
  some
• 4:44
  anecdotals,
• 4:44
  some
• 4:45
  more
• 4:45
  life
• 4:46
  lessons,
• 4:46
  things
• 4:47
  like
• 4:47
  that.
• 4:47
  But
• 4:48
  passing
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  story
• 4:48
  on
• 4:49
  is
• 4:49
  what's
• 4:49
  important
• 4:50
  to
• 4:50
  me.
• 4:50
  How
• 4:51
  did
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  get
• 4:51
  started?
• 4:52
  Because
• 4:52
  I'm
• 4:53
  sure
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  didn't
• 4:53
  wake
• 4:53
  up
• 4:54
  one
• 4:54
  morning
• 4:54
  and
• 4:55
  say,
• 4:55
  oh,
• 4:56
  I
• 4:56
  want
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  be
• 4:56
  a
• 4:56
  children's
• 4:57
  book
• 4:57
  author.
• 4:57
  Or
• 4:58
  maybe
• 4:58
  you
• 4:58
  did,
• 4:58
  but
• 4:58
  how
• 4:59
  did
• 4:59
  this.
• 4:59
  You
• 4:59
  did.
• 5:00
  Oh,
• 5:00
  okay.
• 5:01
  So
• 5:01
  that's
• 5:02
  fantastic.
• 5:03
  So
• 5:03
  tell
• 5:03
  us,
• 5:04
  what
• 5:04
  was
• 5:04
  that
• 5:04
  experience?
• 5:05
  How
• 5:05
  did
• 5:05
  it
• 5:05
  get
• 5:06
  started
• 5:06
  for
• 5:06
  you?
• 5:07
  Being
• 5:07
  the
• 5:08
  subject
• 5:08
  matter
• 5:08
  of
• 5:09
  Bigfoot
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  or
• 5:09
  Sasquatch,
• 5:10
  this
• 5:11
  all
• 5:11
  kind
• 5:11
  of
• 5:11
  started.
• 5:12
  I
• 5:12
  think
• 5:12
  that
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  show
• 5:13
  that
• 5:13
  was
• 5:13
  very
• 5:14
  popular
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  few
• 5:15
  years
• 5:15
  back
• 5:15
  was
• 5:16
  called
• 5:16
  Finding
• 5:16
  Bigfoot.
• 5:17
  It
• 5:17
  reignited
• 5:18
  my
• 5:19
  love
• 5:19
  for
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  subject
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  the
• 5:21
  mystery
• 5:21
  around
• 5:21
  it
• 5:22
  and
• 5:23
  this
• 5:23
  idea
• 5:23
  of
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  potential
• 5:25
  North
• 5:26
  American
• 5:26
  bipedal
• 5:27
  ape
• 5:28
  walking
• 5:28
  among
• 5:28
  us
• 5:28
  and
• 5:28
  things
• 5:29
  like
• 5:29
  that.
• 5:29
  So
• 5:29
  that
• 5:29
  was
• 5:29
  just
• 5:29
  so
• 5:30
  intriguing
• 5:30
  to
• 5:30
  me.
• 5:31
  It
• 5:31
  was.
• 5:31
  Even
• 5:32
  when
• 5:32
  I
• 5:32
  was
• 5:32
  a
• 5:32
  kid,
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  think
• 5:33
  that
• 5:34
  show
• 5:34
  sparked
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  idea
• 5:35
  of
• 5:36
  I'd
• 5:36
  love
• 5:37
  to
• 5:37
  share
• 5:37
  or
• 5:38
  love
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  get
• 5:38
  into
• 5:39
  more
• 5:39
  of
• 5:39
  that
• 5:40
  circle,
• 5:40
  like
• 5:41
  the
• 5:41
  Bigfoot
• 5:41
  Circle.
• 5:41
  How
• 5:42
  do
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  do
• 5:42
  that?
• 5:43
  Went
• 5:43
  on
• 5:44
  some
• 5:44
  camping
• 5:44
  trips
• 5:45
  and
• 5:45
  with
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  Bigfoot
• 5:47
  Field
• 5:47
  Researchers
• 5:48
  Organization,
• 5:49
  bfro,
• 5:50
  it
• 5:50
  might
• 5:50
  be
• 5:50
  called
• 5:50
  in
• 5:50
  along
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  shows,
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  idea
• 5:52
  of
• 5:52
  going
• 5:52
  camping,
• 5:53
  bringing
• 5:54
  certain
• 5:54
  family
• 5:54
  members
• 5:54
  along
• 5:55
  with
• 5:55
  me.
• 5:55
  And
• 5:56
  it
• 5:57
  really
• 5:57
  just
• 5:57
  was
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  idea
• 5:58
  of
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  would
• 5:58
  love
• 5:59
  to
• 6:01
  be
• 6:01
  in
• 6:01
  that
• 6:01
  world
• 6:02
  more
• 6:02
  often
• 6:03
  and
• 6:03
  how
• 6:03
  do
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  do
• 6:04
  that?
• 6:04
  Let
• 6:05
  me
• 6:05
  write
• 6:05
  a
• 6:06
  story
• 6:06
  or
• 6:06
  think
• 6:07
  of
• 6:07
  a
• 6:07
  book.
• 6:08
  And
• 6:08
  I
• 6:08
  love
• 6:08
  to
• 6:08
  sketch.
• 6:09
  And
• 6:09
  so
• 6:09
  I
• 6:10
  did
• 6:10
  the
• 6:10
  artwork
• 6:10
  for
• 6:10
  it.
• 6:11
  That
• 6:11
  was
• 6:11
  actually
• 6:12
  what
• 6:12
  I
• 6:12
  did
• 6:12
  first.
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  actually
• 6:13
  almost
• 6:13
  started
• 6:14
  with
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  artwork
• 6:15
  and
• 6:15
  playing
• 6:15
  that
• 6:16
  in
• 6:16
  my
• 6:16
  head
• 6:16
  of
• 6:16
  what
• 6:17
  I
• 6:17
  wanted
• 6:17
  to
• 6:17
  kind
• 6:18
  of
• 6:18
  show.
• 6:19
  And
• 6:19
  then
• 6:19
  it
• 6:19
  Was,
• 6:19
  okay,
• 6:20
  now
• 6:20
  let
• 6:20
  me
• 6:20
  maybe
• 6:20
  put
• 6:21
  some
• 6:21
  more
• 6:22
  words
• 6:22
  behind
• 6:22
  the
• 6:23
  pictures
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  what
• 6:23
  I'm
• 6:24
  trying
• 6:24
  to
• 6:24
  share.
• 6:25
  And
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  evolved
• 6:25
  it
• 6:25
  from
• 6:26
  there,
• 6:26
  but
• 6:26
  it
• 6:26
  was
• 6:26
  definitely
• 6:27
  a
• 6:27
  long
• 6:27
  process
• 6:28
  for
• 6:28
  me.
• 6:28
  It
• 6:29
  was
• 6:29
  probably,
• 6:29
  all
• 6:30
  in
• 6:30
  all,
• 6:30
  about
• 6:32
  10
• 6:32
  years
• 6:33
  total.
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  didn't
• 6:34
  know
• 6:34
  where
• 6:34
  to
• 6:35
  start,
• 6:35
  Rick,
• 6:35
  which
• 6:35
  I'm
• 6:36
  sure
• 6:36
  you
• 6:36
  can
• 6:36
  appreciate,
• 6:37
  where
• 6:37
  it's.
• 6:37
  And
• 6:38
  your
• 6:38
  audience
• 6:38
  possibly
• 6:39
  too.
• 6:39
  Where
• 6:39
  it's.
• 6:39
  Where
• 6:39
  do
• 6:39
  I
• 6:40
  start
• 6:40
  with
• 6:40
  this?
• 6:40
  How
• 6:40
  do
• 6:41
  I
• 6:42
  get
• 6:42
  into
• 6:43
  writing?
• 6:43
  Where,
• 6:44
  you
• 6:44
  know,
• 6:44
  who
• 6:45
  do
• 6:45
  I
• 6:45
  talk
• 6:45
  to?
• 6:46
  Then
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  only
• 6:47
  really
• 6:48
  true
• 6:48
  way
• 6:49
  I
• 6:49
  knew
• 6:49
  how
• 6:49
  to
• 6:51
  do
• 6:51
  it
• 6:51
  was
• 6:51
  maybe
• 6:51
  by
• 6:52
  self
• 6:52
  publishing.
• 6:52
  But
• 6:54
  that's.
• 6:54
  It's
• 6:55
  a
• 6:55
  paid
• 6:55
  to
• 6:55
  play
• 6:56
  situation
• 6:57
  with
• 6:57
  self
• 6:57
  publishing,
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  think
• 6:58
  there's
• 6:58
  anything
• 6:59
  wrong
• 6:59
  with
• 6:59
  that.
• 7:00
  It
• 7:00
  just
• 7:01
  depends
• 7:01
  on
• 7:01
  what,
• 7:02
  how
• 7:02
  big
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  want
• 7:03
  to
• 7:03
  get,
• 7:03
  how
• 7:03
  much
• 7:04
  money
• 7:04
  you
• 7:04
  want
• 7:04
  to
• 7:04
  put
• 7:04
  towards
• 7:05
  your
• 7:05
  ideas,
• 7:05
  your
• 7:06
  project.
• 7:07
  But
• 7:07
  then
• 7:07
  maybe
• 7:08
  you'll
• 7:08
  get
• 7:08
  noticed
• 7:09
  and
• 7:09
  maybe
• 7:09
  you'll
• 7:10
  have
• 7:10
  a
• 7:10
  publisher.
• 7:11
  But
• 7:11
  to
• 7:12
  answer
• 7:12
  your
• 7:12
  question,
• 7:12
  in
• 7:12
  short,
• 7:13
  this
• 7:13
  was.
• 7:14
  This
• 7:14
  was
• 7:14
  something
• 7:15
  where
• 7:15
  I
• 7:15
  thought,
• 7:16
  let
• 7:16
  me
• 7:16
  see
• 7:16
  if
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  can
• 7:17
  do
• 7:17
  it.
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  can
• 7:17
  draw
• 7:18
  enough.
• 7:19
  I
• 7:19
  can
• 7:19
  put
• 7:19
  stories.
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  love
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  movies,
• 7:21
  I
• 7:21
  love
• 7:21
  the
• 7:21
  creature
• 7:21
  movies.
• 7:23
  Let
• 7:23
  me
• 7:23
  see
• 7:23
  if
• 7:23
  I
• 7:23
  can
• 7:23
  do
• 7:24
  it.
• 7:24
  And
• 7:24
  then
• 7:24
  it
• 7:25
  just,
• 7:25
  yeah,
• 7:25
  just
• 7:26
  worked
• 7:26
  out
• 7:26
  from
• 7:26
  there.
• 7:27
  Before
• 7:27
  we
• 7:27
  get
• 7:27
  into
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  publishing
• 7:29
  and
• 7:29
  illustration
• 7:30
  part,
• 7:31
  when
• 7:31
  you
• 7:31
  started
• 7:32
  this
• 7:32
  journey
• 7:33
  and
• 7:33
  you
• 7:33
  explained
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  background
• 7:34
  to
• 7:35
  it,
• 7:35
  were
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  thinking,
• 7:37
  oh,
• 7:37
  you
• 7:37
  know
• 7:38
  what?
• 7:38
  I'm
• 7:38
  going
• 7:38
  to
• 7:39
  produce
• 7:39
  this
• 7:39
  product.
• 7:40
  I've
• 7:41
  now
• 7:41
  created
• 7:42
  a
• 7:42
  children's
• 7:42
  book
• 7:43
  business.
• 7:44
  And
• 7:45
  did
• 7:45
  you
• 7:45
  have
• 7:45
  a
• 7:46
  plan?
• 7:47
  No,
• 7:47
  it
• 7:47
  was
• 7:47
  truly
• 7:48
  just
• 7:48
  a
• 7:48
  case
• 7:48
  of
• 7:50
  I
• 7:50
  just
• 7:50
  want
• 7:51
  something
• 7:51
  tangible
• 7:52
  in
• 7:52
  my
• 7:52
  hands
• 7:53
  that
• 7:53
  you
• 7:53
  can
• 7:53
  flip
• 7:54
  through
• 7:55
  and
• 7:55
  that
• 7:55
  is
• 7:55
  a
• 7:56
  finalized
• 7:56
  product.
• 7:57
  To
• 7:57
  your
• 7:57
  point,
• 7:58
  it
• 7:58
  wasn't
• 7:59
  really
• 7:59
  thinking
• 8:00
  about,
• 8:01
  I'm
• 8:01
  going
• 8:01
  to
• 8:01
  be
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  next
• 8:02
  R.L.
• 8:02
  stein.
• 8:03
  I'm
• 8:03
  going
• 8:03
  to
• 8:03
  be
• 8:04
  someone
• 8:04
  like
• 8:05
  that.
• 8:05
  It
• 8:05
  just
• 8:05
  was
• 8:06
  truly,
• 8:07
  it
• 8:07
  was
• 8:07
  almost
• 8:08
  a
• 8:08
  game
• 8:08
  or
• 8:08
  like
• 8:08
  a
• 8:09
  little
• 8:09
  bit
• 8:09
  of
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  test
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  say,
• 8:10
  can
• 8:10
  I
• 8:10
  do
• 8:10
  this?
• 8:10
  Can
• 8:10
  I
• 8:11
  actually
• 8:11
  make
• 8:11
  this
• 8:11
  come
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  fruition?
• 8:12
  And
• 8:13
  for
• 8:13
  a
• 8:13
  long
• 8:14
  time,
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  actually
• 8:15
  had.
• 8:15
  Put
• 8:15
  it
• 8:15
  aside.
• 8:16
  What's
• 8:16
  interesting,
• 8:16
  I
• 8:17
  know
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  said,
• 8:17
  kevin,
• 8:18
  it
• 8:18
  sat
• 8:19
  on
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  back
• 8:20
  burner
• 8:20
  for
• 8:20
  about
• 8:20
  10
• 8:21
  years.
• 8:21
  I've
• 8:22
  had
• 8:22
  guests
• 8:22
  on.
• 8:23
  They
• 8:23
  sat
• 8:24
  on
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  back
• 8:24
  burner
• 8:24
  for
• 8:25
  30
• 8:25
  years.
• 8:26
  So
• 8:27
  they
• 8:27
  went
• 8:27
  through
• 8:27
  their
• 8:27
  whole
• 8:28
  career
• 8:29
  before
• 8:29
  they
• 8:30
  actually
• 8:31
  said,
• 8:31
  oh,
• 8:32
  I'm
• 8:32
  going
• 8:32
  to
• 8:33
  do
• 8:33
  this.
• 8:33
  I've
• 8:33
  written
• 8:34
  the
• 8:34
  story.
• 8:34
  I
• 8:34
  wrote
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  story
• 8:35
  30
• 8:35
  years
• 8:36
  ago.
• 8:36
  I'm
• 8:37
  now
• 8:37
  pulling
• 8:37
  it
• 8:37
  out
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  my
• 8:38
  drawer
• 8:39
  or.
• 8:39
  Yep,
• 8:39
  filing
• 8:40
  cash.
• 8:40
  That's
• 8:40
  exactly.
• 8:41
  Yep,
• 8:41
  exactly.
• 8:42
  Same
• 8:43
  situation.
• 8:43
  And
• 8:44
  then
• 8:44
  finally
• 8:44
  it
• 8:44
  was
• 8:44
  just,
• 8:45
  life
• 8:45
  happens
• 8:46
  and
• 8:48
  your
• 8:48
  circumstances
• 8:49
  change
• 8:50
  and
• 8:50
  you
• 8:50
  find
• 8:50
  yourself
• 8:51
  having
• 8:51
  a
• 8:51
  little
• 8:51
  bit
• 8:51
  of
• 8:51
  time
• 8:52
  here
• 8:52
  and
• 8:52
  a
• 8:52
  little
• 8:53
  time
• 8:53
  there.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:53
  then
• 8:53
  it
• 8:53
  was
• 8:54
  also
• 8:54
  A
• 8:54
  case
• 8:54
  of
• 8:55
  when
• 8:55
  I
• 8:56
  wanted
• 8:56
  to
• 8:56
  make
• 8:57
  sure
• 8:57
  that
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  think
• 8:59
  it
• 8:59
  was
• 8:59
  right
• 8:59
  around
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  time
• 9:00
  that
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  actually
• 9:00
  found
• 9:00
  out
• 9:01
  that
• 9:01
  we
• 9:01
  were
• 9:01
  having
• 9:01
  our
• 9:01
  first
• 9:02
  child,
• 9:02
  where
• 9:02
  it
• 9:02
  was
• 9:02
  like,
• 9:03
  oh,
• 9:03
  let
• 9:03
  me
• 9:03
  really
• 9:04
  make
• 9:04
  sure
• 9:04
  this
• 9:05
  comes
• 9:05
  to
• 9:05
  fruition.
• 9:05
  How
• 9:06
  great
• 9:06
  would
• 9:06
  it
• 9:06
  be
• 9:06
  to
• 9:08
  allow
• 9:08
  my
• 9:09
  children.
• 9:09
  And
• 9:09
  this
• 9:09
  may
• 9:10
  become
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  little
• 9:10
  bit
• 9:10
  more
• 9:12
  of,
• 9:12
  I
• 9:12
  don't
• 9:12
  know,
• 9:12
  selfish
• 9:13
  reasons
• 9:13
  perhaps.
• 9:14
  Right.
• 9:14
  It
• 9:14
  would
• 9:14
  be
• 9:15
  so
• 9:15
  cool
• 9:15
  if
• 9:15
  my
• 9:15
  children
• 9:16
  were
• 9:16
  to
• 9:16
  say,
• 9:16
  oh,
• 9:16
  my
• 9:16
  dad's
• 9:17
  a
• 9:17
  child
• 9:17
  book
• 9:17
  author.
• 9:18
  Just
• 9:18
  something
• 9:18
  like
• 9:18
  that.
• 9:18
  Yes,
• 9:19
  absolutely.
• 9:19
  Have
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  legacy.
• 9:21
  Yeah.
• 9:21
  A
• 9:21
  bit
• 9:21
  more
• 9:22
  stamina
• 9:23
  to.
• 9:23
  To
• 9:23
  complete
• 9:24
  it
• 9:24
  for
• 9:24
  sure.
• 9:24
  And
• 9:25
  my
• 9:25
  journey
• 9:25
  as
• 9:25
  a
• 9:26
  children's
• 9:26
  book
• 9:26
  author
• 9:27
  all
• 9:27
  started
• 9:27
  because
• 9:28
  of
• 9:28
  my
• 9:28
  oldest
• 9:29
  granddaughter.
• 9:30
  And
• 9:30
  there
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  go.
• 9:31
  Yeah,
• 9:31
  yeah.
• 9:32
  I
• 9:32
  always
• 9:32
  find
• 9:33
  there's
• 9:33
  a
• 9:33
  personal
• 9:33
  reason
• 9:34
  we
• 9:34
  all
• 9:34
  get
• 9:34
  into
• 9:35
  children's
• 9:35
  books
• 9:35
  for
• 9:36
  sure.
• 9:36
  Exactly.
• 9:37
  Thank
• 9:37
  you
• 9:37
  for
• 9:37
  sharing
• 9:38
  that.
• 9:38
  I
• 9:38
  really
• 9:38
  appreciate.
• 9:40
  We're
• 9:40
  going
• 9:40
  to
• 9:40
  jump
• 9:40
  into
• 9:40
  publishing
• 9:41
  a
• 9:41
  bit
• 9:42
  and
• 9:43
  I
• 9:43
  always
• 9:44
  talk
• 9:44
  to
• 9:44
  people.
• 9:44
  There's
• 9:45
  traditional
• 9:45
  publisher,
• 9:46
  where
• 9:47
  someone,
• 9:47
  a
• 9:48
  traditional
• 9:48
  publisher
• 9:49
  comes
• 9:49
  in,
• 9:49
  they
• 9:50
  buy
• 9:50
  the
• 9:51
  rights
• 9:51
  to
• 9:51
  your
• 9:52
  book
• 9:52
  and
• 9:52
  then
• 9:52
  they
• 9:53
  publish
• 9:53
  it
• 9:53
  and
• 9:54
  you
• 9:54
  don't
• 9:54
  put
• 9:54
  any
• 9:54
  money
• 9:55
  into
• 9:55
  it.
• 9:55
  But
• 9:56
  then
• 9:56
  at
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  end
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  day,
• 9:57
  there's
• 9:58
  not
• 9:58
  much
• 9:59
  for
• 9:59
  you
• 9:59
  at
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  back
• 10:00
  end.
• 10:00
  They
• 10:00
  own
• 10:01
  all
• 10:01
  the
• 10:01
  rights
• 10:01
  and
• 10:02
  if
• 10:02
  the
• 10:02
  book
• 10:02
  does
• 10:03
  well,
• 10:03
  they
• 10:04
  send
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  a
• 10:04
  couple
• 10:04
  of
• 10:04
  bucks
• 10:05
  and
• 10:05
  they
• 10:05
  say,
• 10:05
  thanks,
• 10:06
  Kevin,
• 10:06
  for
• 10:06
  the
• 10:06
  great
• 10:06
  idea.
• 10:07
  Yeah.
• 10:08
  And
• 10:08
  we
• 10:08
  appreciate
• 10:08
  the
• 10:09
  revenue
• 10:09
  that
• 10:09
  you've
• 10:09
  given
• 10:10
  company.
• 10:11
  And
• 10:11
  then
• 10:11
  there's
• 10:12
  self
• 10:12
  publishing,
• 10:13
  which
• 10:13
  a
• 10:13
  lot
• 10:13
  of
• 10:14
  people
• 10:14
  mistake
• 10:14
  for
• 10:15
  indie
• 10:15
  publishing.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:17
  self
• 10:18
  publishing
• 10:18
  is
• 10:19
  where
• 10:19
  you
• 10:19
  hire
• 10:19
  a
• 10:20
  third
• 10:20
  party
• 10:21
  publisher
• 10:22
  and
• 10:22
  that
• 10:22
  third
• 10:23
  party
• 10:23
  publisher
• 10:24
  does
• 10:25
  all
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  work.
• 10:26
  So
• 10:26
  they
• 10:26
  end
• 10:26
  up
• 10:26
  being
• 10:28
  basically
• 10:29
  your
• 10:29
  general
• 10:30
  contractor
• 10:31
  or
• 10:31
  general
• 10:32
  manager.
• 10:33
  And
• 10:33
  you
• 10:34
  have
• 10:34
  this
• 10:34
  idea,
• 10:35
  you've
• 10:35
  written
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  words
• 10:37
  down
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  way
• 10:37
  you
• 10:38
  go.
• 10:38
  And
• 10:39
  then
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  last
• 10:40
  one,
• 10:40
  and
• 10:41
  I
• 10:41
  mentioned
• 10:41
  this
• 10:41
  earlier,
• 10:42
  is
• 10:42
  it
• 10:42
  being
• 10:43
  an
• 10:43
  independent
• 10:44
  publisher
• 10:44
  where
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  actually
• 10:46
  create
• 10:46
  your
• 10:46
  own
• 10:47
  publishing
• 10:48
  company
• 10:49
  and
• 10:49
  you
• 10:50
  hire
• 10:50
  the
• 10:51
  different
• 10:51
  professionals.
• 10:52
  So
• 10:52
  you
• 10:52
  hire
• 10:53
  an
• 10:53
  editor,
• 10:53
  you
• 10:54
  hire
• 10:54
  an
• 10:54
  illustrator,
• 10:55
  you
• 10:55
  hire
• 10:56
  a
• 10:56
  book
• 10:57
  formatter,
• 10:58
  so
• 10:58
  on,
• 10:59
  so
• 10:59
  forth.
• 11:00
  Explain
• 11:00
  to
• 11:01
  us
• 11:01
  a
• 11:01
  little
• 11:02
  bit
• 11:02
  about
• 11:02
  your
• 11:03
  publishing
• 11:04
  approach.
• 11:04
  Because
• 11:04
  I
• 11:04
  know
• 11:05
  you
• 11:05
  said
• 11:05
  self
• 11:06
  publishing
• 11:06
  and
• 11:06
  I
• 11:07
  know
• 11:07
  you
• 11:07
  have
• 11:07
  a
• 11:08
  publisher
• 11:09
  called
• 11:09
  Hangar
• 11:10
  One
• 11:10
  Publishing,
• 11:11
  but
• 11:11
  I
• 11:11
  wasn't
• 11:11
  quite
• 11:12
  sure
• 11:12
  because
• 11:13
  it
• 11:13
  sounds
• 11:13
  like
• 11:13
  you're
• 11:14
  the
• 11:14
  illustrator.
• 11:16
  Yeah,
• 11:16
  so
• 11:16
  I
• 11:17
  was
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  illustrator
• 11:18
  and
• 11:18
  the
• 11:19
  writer.
• 11:19
  Author.
• 11:20
  They
• 11:20
  did
• 11:20
  come
• 11:21
  over
• 11:21
  the
• 11:21
  top
• 11:21
  as
• 11:22
  far
• 11:22
  as
• 11:22
  the
• 11:23
  overall
• 11:25
  look
• 11:25
  and
• 11:25
  feel.
• 11:26
  I'm
• 11:26
  an
• 11:26
  illustrator
• 11:27
  and
• 11:27
  this
• 11:27
  is
• 11:27
  where
• 11:28
  I
• 11:28
  always
• 11:28
  have
• 11:28
  to
• 11:28
  give
• 11:28
  credit,
• 11:29
  where
• 11:29
  credit's
• 11:29
  due,
• 11:29
  where
• 11:30
  I
• 11:30
  illustrated
• 11:31
  everything.
• 11:32
  But
• 11:32
  there
• 11:32
  were
• 11:32
  certain
• 11:33
  tweaks
• 11:33
  to
• 11:33
  just
• 11:33
  make
• 11:34
  sure
• 11:34
  that
• 11:34
  everything
• 11:34
  was
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  little
• 11:35
  bit
• 11:35
  more
• 11:35
  uniform,
• 11:36
  because
• 11:37
  as
• 11:37
  you
• 11:37
  have
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  characters
• 11:38
  looking
• 11:38
  in
• 11:38
  different
• 11:39
  directions,
• 11:39
  their
• 11:40
  head
• 11:40
  might
• 11:41
  shape
• 11:41
  Might
• 11:41
  change
• 11:42
  a
• 11:42
  bit.
• 11:42
  As
• 11:43
  example.
• 11:43
  So
• 11:44
  there
• 11:44
  was
• 11:44
  some
• 11:44
  of
• 11:45
  that
• 11:45
  editing
• 11:45
  that
• 11:45
  was
• 11:46
  super
• 11:46
  helpful.
• 11:47
  My
• 11:47
  path,
• 11:47
  I
• 11:47
  guess,
• 11:48
  to
• 11:48
  becoming
• 11:48
  published
• 11:49
  was
• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
  have
• 11:50
  this
• 11:51
  product,
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  have
• 11:51
  the
• 11:52
  pages,
• 11:52
  I
• 11:53
  have
• 11:53
  everything
• 11:53
  written
• 11:54
  down,
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  storyline,
• 11:54
  everything.
• 11:56
  My
• 11:57
  only
• 11:57
  tactic,
• 11:58
  frankly,
• 11:59
  was
• 12:00
  making
• 12:00
  sure
• 12:00
  that
• 12:00
  I
• 12:01
  started
• 12:01
  to
• 12:01
  look
• 12:01
  at
• 12:02
  some
• 12:03
  of
• 12:03
  the
• 12:04
  author
• 12:05
  houses,
• 12:05
  if
• 12:06
  you
• 12:06
  will,
• 12:06
  or
• 12:06
  the
• 12:07
  publishing
• 12:07
  houses,
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  should
• 12:08
  say.
• 12:08
  That
• 12:08
  actually
• 12:09
  dealt
• 12:09
  with
• 12:09
  the
• 12:10
  topic
• 12:10
  that
• 12:10
  I
• 12:10
  had.
• 12:11
  When
• 12:11
  it
• 12:11
  came
• 12:11
  to
• 12:12
  publishing
• 12:12
  your
• 12:13
  children's
• 12:13
  book,
• 12:14
  what
• 12:14
  would
• 12:14
  you
• 12:15
  say
• 12:15
  was
• 12:15
  your
• 12:15
  biggest
• 12:16
  challenge
• 12:16
  or
• 12:17
  frustration,
• 12:18
  frankly?
• 12:19
  And
• 12:19
  I'll
• 12:19
  even
• 12:20
  share
• 12:20
  this.
• 12:20
  So
• 12:20
  I'm
• 12:20
  actually.
• 12:21
  I'm
• 12:22
  writing
• 12:22
  another
• 12:23
  kind
• 12:24
  of
• 12:24
  novelette,
• 12:25
  if
• 12:25
  you
• 12:25
  will,
• 12:25
  which
• 12:26
  aren't
• 12:26
  super
• 12:26
  popular,
• 12:27
  but
• 12:27
  it's
• 12:28
  the
• 12:28
  same
• 12:28
  thing
• 12:28
  there.
• 12:28
  For
• 12:28
  Hangar
• 12:29
  One
• 12:29
  Publishing,
• 12:29
  who
• 12:29
  published
• 12:30
  Billy
• 12:30
  Finds
• 12:30
  Bigfoot,
• 12:31
  they
• 12:32
  were
• 12:32
  opening
• 12:33
  their
• 12:33
  doors
• 12:33
  to
• 12:34
  children's
• 12:35
  books
• 12:36
  about
• 12:36
  cryptozoology,
• 12:37
  Bigfoots,
• 12:38
  mythical
• 12:39
  creatures,
• 12:39
  things
• 12:39
  like
• 12:39
  that.
• 12:40
  And
• 12:41
  so
• 12:41
  it
• 12:41
  just
• 12:41
  was
• 12:42
  a
• 12:42
  right
• 12:42
  time,
• 12:43
  right
• 12:43
  place,
• 12:44
  perhaps.
• 12:45
  In
• 12:45
  all
• 12:45
  honesty,
• 12:46
  that.
• 12:47
  And
• 12:47
  speaking
• 12:47
  of
• 12:47
  right
• 12:48
  time,
• 12:48
  right
• 12:48
  place,
• 12:48
  this
• 12:49
  is
• 12:49
  actually
• 12:49
  where
• 12:49
  I
• 12:50
  would
• 12:50
  went
• 12:51
  on
• 12:51
  a
• 12:51
  camping
• 12:51
  trip
• 12:52
  with
• 12:52
  Doug
• 12:53
  Highcheck,
• 12:53
  who
• 12:53
  is
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  kind
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  owner
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  Hangar
• 12:56
  on
• 12:56
  Publishing,
• 12:56
  as
• 12:57
  well
• 12:57
  as
• 12:57
  his.
• 12:57
  His
• 12:58
  son.
• 12:58
  And
• 12:59
  so
• 12:59
  this
• 12:59
  is
• 12:59
  where
• 12:59
  I
• 13:00
  just
• 13:00
  happened
• 13:01
  to
• 13:01
  be
• 13:01
  talking
• 13:01
  with
• 13:01
  them
• 13:02
  around
• 13:03
  a
• 13:03
  campfire.
• 13:04
  They
• 13:04
  were
• 13:04
  sharing
• 13:05
  some
• 13:05
  of
• 13:05
  the
• 13:05
  things
• 13:05
  that
• 13:06
  they
• 13:06
  wanted
• 13:06
  to
• 13:06
  work
• 13:06
  on.
• 13:06
  I
• 13:07
  said
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  actually
• 13:07
  had
• 13:08
  this
• 13:08
  idea
• 13:09
  that
• 13:09
  also
• 13:09
  gave
• 13:09
  me
• 13:10
  some
• 13:11
  motivation
• 13:11
  to
• 13:11
  again,
• 13:12
  complete
• 13:12
  the
• 13:12
  work
• 13:12
  because
• 13:13
  they
• 13:13
  were
• 13:13
  open
• 13:13
  to
• 13:13
  it.
• 13:13
  And
• 13:14
  so
• 13:14
  I
• 13:14
  knew
• 13:14
  I
• 13:14
  had
• 13:14
  to
• 13:14
  curry
• 13:15
  and
• 13:15
  strike
• 13:15
  while
• 13:15
  the
• 13:16
  iron
• 13:16
  was
• 13:16
  hot
• 13:17
  on
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  fact
• 13:17
  that
• 13:18
  they
• 13:18
  were
• 13:18
  interested
• 13:18
  in
• 13:18
  this
• 13:19
  medium,
• 13:20
  that
• 13:20
  format
• 13:20
  of
• 13:20
  a
• 13:21
  children's
• 13:21
  book.
• 13:22
  So,
• 13:22
  yeah,
• 13:23
  right
• 13:23
  time,
• 13:23
  right
• 13:23
  place,
• 13:23
  but
• 13:24
  then
• 13:24
  also
• 13:24
  just
• 13:24
  knowing.
• 13:25
  And
• 13:26
  what
• 13:26
  I'm
• 13:26
  doing
• 13:26
  now
• 13:26
  is
• 13:27
  since
• 13:27
  they're
• 13:27
  moving
• 13:27
  away
• 13:28
  from
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  bit
• 13:28
  of
• 13:28
  the
• 13:29
  children's
• 13:29
  book
• 13:29
  side
• 13:30
  of
• 13:30
  things
• 13:30
  or
• 13:30
  the
• 13:30
  preteen
• 13:31
  side
• 13:31
  of
• 13:31
  things,
• 13:32
  the
• 13:33
  adventure
• 13:33
  begins
• 13:34
  again
• 13:34
  because
• 13:35
  it's
• 13:35
  continuing
• 13:36
  to.
• 13:36
  Okay,
• 13:36
  how.
• 13:37
  And
• 13:37
  who
• 13:37
  can
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  now
• 13:38
  reach
• 13:38
  out
• 13:38
  to
• 13:39
  that
• 13:39
  might
• 13:39
  be
• 13:39
  interested
• 13:40
  in
• 13:40
  this
• 13:40
  next
• 13:40
  book
• 13:40
  that
• 13:41
  I'm
• 13:41
  working
• 13:41
  on?
• 13:42
  By
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  way,
• 13:43
  it's
• 13:43
  called
• 13:43
  Is
• 13:43
  It
• 13:43
  Real
• 13:44
  or
• 13:44
  Not?
• 13:44
  If
• 13:45
  you're
• 13:45
  interested
• 13:45
  in
• 13:45
  anyone
• 13:45
  listening,
• 13:46
  please
• 13:46
  contact
• 13:47
  me.
• 13:47
  But
• 13:47
  all
• 13:48
  that
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  say.
• 13:48
  So
• 13:48
  that
• 13:48
  was
• 13:48
  the.
• 13:50
  In
• 13:50
  short,
• 13:50
  again,
• 13:51
  right
• 13:51
  time,
• 13:51
  right
• 13:51
  place.
• 13:52
  In
• 13:52
  terms
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  the
• 13:54
  publishing
• 13:55
  function
• 13:55
  that
• 13:56
  Hangar
• 13:56
  One
• 13:57
  Publishing
• 13:58
  did
• 13:58
  for
• 13:58
  you.
• 13:58
  You
• 13:59
  wrote
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  story,
• 14:00
  you
• 14:00
  did
• 14:01
  the
• 14:01
  illustrations,
• 14:02
  and
• 14:02
  they
• 14:03
  came
• 14:03
  in
• 14:03
  and
• 14:04
  did
• 14:04
  they
• 14:04
  edit
• 14:05
  your
• 14:05
  words,
• 14:06
  for
• 14:06
  starters?
• 14:08
  No,
• 14:08
  they
• 14:08
  actually
• 14:09
  didn't.
• 14:09
  They
• 14:10
  were
• 14:10
  very
• 14:10
  accepting
• 14:11
  of
• 14:11
  everything.
• 14:11
  The
• 14:12
  only
• 14:12
  thing
• 14:12
  that
• 14:12
  they.
• 14:13
  And
• 14:13
  this
• 14:13
  is
• 14:13
  where
• 14:15
  if
• 14:15
  you
• 14:15
  are
• 14:16
  wanting
• 14:16
  to
• 14:16
  get
• 14:17
  published
• 14:17
  by
• 14:17
  a
• 14:18
  publishing
• 14:18
  house
• 14:18
  or
• 14:19
  an
• 14:19
  actual
• 14:19
  publisher,
• 14:20
  they
• 14:21
  might
• 14:21
  change
• 14:22
  some
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  your
• 14:22
  words.
• 14:22
  They
• 14:23
  might
• 14:23
  change
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  images
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  little
• 14:24
  bit.
• 14:25
  And
• 14:26
  this
• 14:26
  is
• 14:26
  where
• 14:26
  you
• 14:27
  have
• 14:27
  to
• 14:27
  actually
• 14:27
  just
• 14:27
  maybe
• 14:28
  take
• 14:28
  a
• 14:28
  step
• 14:28
  back
• 14:29
  and
• 14:29
  remove
• 14:29
  some
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  emotion
• 14:31
  that
• 14:31
  you
• 14:31
  might
• 14:32
  be
• 14:32
  tied
• 14:32
  to
• 14:32
  your
• 14:33
  work
• 14:34
  in
• 14:34
  that.
• 14:35
  And
• 14:35
  this
• 14:35
  is
• 14:36
  where
• 14:36
  how
• 14:36
  it
• 14:36
  was
• 14:36
  put
• 14:36
  to
• 14:37
  me
• 14:37
  by
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  friend
• 14:37
  is,
• 14:38
  do
• 14:38
  you
• 14:39
  want
• 14:39
  to
• 14:39
  get
• 14:39
  your
• 14:39
  book
• 14:40
  published
• 14:41
  and
• 14:41
  actually
• 14:42
  have
• 14:42
  this
• 14:42
  final
• 14:43
  product
• 14:43
  that
• 14:43
  can
• 14:43
  be
• 14:43
  sold
• 14:43
  and
• 14:44
  be
• 14:44
  shared
• 14:44
  and
• 14:44
  everything
• 14:45
  like
• 14:45
  that
• 14:46
  or
• 14:46
  not?
• 14:47
  Because
• 14:48
  one
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  things
• 14:48
  was
• 14:49
  kind
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  changing
• 14:50
  the
• 14:50
  image
• 14:50
  of
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  Bigfoot
• 14:52
  character
• 14:52
  a
• 14:52
  bit
• 14:53
  and
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  facial
• 14:53
  features.
• 14:55
  I
• 14:55
  was
• 14:56
  really
• 14:56
  hesitant
• 14:57
  to
• 14:57
  that
• 14:57
  and
• 14:57
  I
• 14:58
  was
• 14:58
  let
• 14:58
  down
• 14:59
  a
• 14:59
  little
• 14:59
  bit,
• 14:59
  but
• 15:00
  only
• 15:00
  because
• 15:00
  there
• 15:01
  was
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  emotional
• 15:02
  side
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  that.
• 15:02
  I've
• 15:02
  worked
• 15:03
  so
• 15:03
  hard
• 15:03
  to
• 15:04
  think
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  what
• 15:04
  I
• 15:04
  thought
• 15:05
  that
• 15:05
  this
• 15:05
  Bigfoot
• 15:06
  creature
• 15:07
  would
• 15:07
  look
• 15:07
  like
• 15:07
  in
• 15:08
  this
• 15:08
  children's
• 15:08
  book.
• 15:09
  But
• 15:09
  after
• 15:10
  you
• 15:10
  remove
• 15:11
  that
• 15:11
  emotion
• 15:11
  and
• 15:11
  after
• 15:12
  you
• 15:12
  realize
• 15:12
  that
• 15:13
  they
• 15:14
  are
• 15:14
  like
• 15:14
  the
• 15:15
  publisher
• 15:15
  is
• 15:15
  trying
• 15:15
  to
• 15:16
  help
• 15:16
  you
• 15:16
  and
• 15:16
  trying
• 15:17
  to
• 15:17
  get
• 15:17
  your.
• 15:17
  Frankly,
• 15:18
  your
• 15:18
  dream
• 15:18
  to
• 15:19
  come
• 15:19
  to
• 15:19
  fruition,
• 15:20
  you
• 15:20
  have
• 15:21
  to
• 15:21
  just
• 15:21
  be
• 15:21
  okay
• 15:22
  with
• 15:22
  it.
• 15:22
  And
• 15:23
  like
• 15:23
  you
• 15:23
  said,
• 15:23
  it's
• 15:24
  the
• 15:24
  continuity.
• 15:25
  Because
• 15:25
  I
• 15:25
  have
• 15:26
  talked
• 15:26
  to
• 15:27
  children's
• 15:27
  book
• 15:28
  authors
• 15:28
  who
• 15:28
  are
• 15:28
  also
• 15:29
  the
• 15:29
  illustrator.
• 15:30
  That's
• 15:30
  one
• 15:31
  of
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  biggest
• 15:31
  things
• 15:32
  that
• 15:32
  I've
• 15:32
  heard.
• 15:33
  Every
• 15:33
  single
• 15:34
  person
• 15:35
  who
• 15:35
  is
• 15:36
  not
• 15:36
  only
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  author,
• 15:38
  but
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  illustrator,
• 15:39
  they
• 15:39
  always
• 15:39
  say
• 15:40
  I
• 15:40
  had
• 15:40
  to
• 15:41
  go
• 15:41
  back
• 15:41
  and
• 15:41
  double
• 15:42
  check
• 15:42
  the
• 15:43
  continuity
• 15:44
  of
• 15:44
  my
• 15:44
  illustrations.
• 15:46
  How
• 15:46
  the
• 15:47
  main
• 15:47
  character
• 15:48
  or
• 15:48
  characters,
• 15:49
  if
• 15:49
  it
• 15:49
  was
• 15:49
  reoccurring.
• 15:50
  That's
• 15:51
  right.
• 15:51
  They
• 15:51
  looked.
• 15:52
  And
• 15:53
  to
• 15:53
  make
• 15:53
  sure
• 15:53
  that
• 15:53
  I
• 15:54
  didn't
• 15:54
  go
• 15:55
  too
• 15:55
  far
• 15:56
  off
• 15:56
  the
• 15:56
  mark.
• 15:57
  Yeah.
• 15:57
  And
• 15:57
  that's
• 15:58
  what
• 15:58
  happened.
• 15:58
  And
• 15:59
  so
• 15:59
  in
• 15:59
  your
• 15:59
  case,
• 16:00
  they
• 16:00
  looked
• 16:01
  at
• 16:01
  it,
• 16:01
  they
• 16:01
  thought,
• 16:02
  oh,
• 16:02
  now
• 16:03
  did
• 16:03
  they
• 16:03
  have
• 16:04
  you
• 16:04
  make
• 16:04
  the
• 16:05
  changes
• 16:05
  or
• 16:06
  did
• 16:06
  they
• 16:06
  have
• 16:07
  hire
• 16:07
  someone
• 16:08
  to
• 16:08
  make
• 16:08
  the
• 16:09
  changes
• 16:09
  for
• 16:09
  you?
• 16:10
  They
• 16:10
  had
• 16:11
  someone
• 16:11
  in
• 16:11
  house
• 16:11
  to
• 16:12
  make
• 16:12
  those
• 16:12
  changes.
• 16:13
  And
• 16:14
  again,
• 16:14
  could
• 16:14
  have
• 16:15
  done
• 16:15
  that,
• 16:16
  perhaps
• 16:17
  taken
• 16:17
  a
• 16:17
  little
• 16:17
  bit
• 16:17
  more
• 16:18
  time.
• 16:19
  So,
• 16:19
  yeah,
• 16:19
  they
• 16:20
  had
• 16:20
  someone.
• 16:20
  Which
• 16:21
  again,
• 16:21
  I'm
• 16:21
  grateful
• 16:22
  for.
• 16:22
  I'm
• 16:23
  trying
• 16:23
  to.
• 16:23
  Just
• 16:24
  so
• 16:24
  our
• 16:24
  audience
• 16:25
  understands.
• 16:25
  So
• 16:26
  is
• 16:26
  Hanger
• 16:27
  one
• 16:28
  publishing
• 16:29
  a
• 16:29
  hybrid
• 16:30
  publisher
• 16:31
  or
• 16:31
  are
• 16:32
  they
• 16:32
  a
• 16:32
  traditional
• 16:33
  publisher?
• 16:34
  What's.
• 16:35
  What
• 16:35
  do
• 16:36
  you
• 16:36
  see
• 16:36
  as
• 16:36
  the
• 16:36
  difference?
• 16:37
  Okay,
• 16:37
  so
• 16:38
  the
• 16:38
  difference
• 16:38
  is,
• 16:39
  do
• 16:39
  you
• 16:39
  still
• 16:40
  own
• 16:40
  all
• 16:40
  the
• 16:40
  rights
• 16:41
  to
• 16:41
  your.
• 16:41
  Oh,
• 16:42
  no.
• 16:43
  So
• 16:43
  I
• 16:44
  own
• 16:44
  about
• 16:46
  18%
• 16:47
  of
• 16:48
  any
• 16:48
  type
• 16:48
  of
• 16:49
  cut.
• 16:49
  Okay.
• 16:50
  Something
• 16:50
  like
• 16:50
  that.
• 16:51
  But
• 16:51
  which
• 16:51
  is,
• 16:52
  I
• 16:52
  think,
• 16:53
  better
• 16:53
  than
• 16:53
  most.
• 16:54
  It's
• 16:54
  somewhere
• 16:54
  around
• 16:55
  there.
• 16:55
  I
• 16:55
  think
• 16:55
  that's
• 16:56
  jumped
• 16:56
  out.
• 16:57
  But
• 16:57
  regardless,
• 16:57
  I
• 16:58
  think
• 16:58
  that
• 16:58
  it's
• 17:00
  whatever
• 17:00
  publisher
• 17:01
  percent
• 17:01
  or
• 17:02
  cut
• 17:02
  that
• 17:02
  they
• 17:02
  give
• 17:02
  you
• 17:03
  it.
• 17:03
  It
• 17:03
  really
• 17:03
  does
• 17:03
  just
• 17:04
  come
• 17:04
  down
• 17:04
  to
• 17:05
  they're
• 17:06
  making
• 17:06
  your
• 17:06
  product
• 17:07
  come
• 17:07
  to
• 17:07
  life.
• 17:08
  And
• 17:08
  that.
• 17:08
  That
• 17:09
  sounds
• 17:09
  like
• 17:09
  a
• 17:10
  good
• 17:10
  deal.
• 17:10
  Because
• 17:11
  a
• 17:11
  lot
• 17:11
  of
• 17:11
  authors
• 17:12
  I've
• 17:12
  talked
• 17:12
  to,
• 17:13
  like,
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  recently
• 17:13
  had
• 17:14
  a
• 17:14
  guy
• 17:14
  guest
• 17:14
  on
• 17:15
  bart
• 17:15
  Taylor
• 17:15
  episode
• 17:16
  53.
• 17:16
  He
• 17:17
  ended
• 17:17
  up
• 17:17
  writing
• 17:18
  three
• 17:18
  children's
• 17:19
  books
• 17:19
  in
• 17:19
  a
• 17:20
  series.
• 17:21
  Not
• 17:21
  till
• 17:21
  he
• 17:21
  had
• 17:22
  written
• 17:22
  the
• 17:23
  third
• 17:23
  one
• 17:23
  did
• 17:24
  a
• 17:24
  traditional
• 17:25
  publisher
• 17:25
  step
• 17:26
  in
• 17:26
  and
• 17:26
  see
• 17:26
  that
• 17:27
  there
• 17:27
  was
• 17:27
  actually
• 17:28
  some
• 17:28
  commercial
• 17:29
  value
• 17:29
  for
• 17:30
  them.
• 17:31
  And
• 17:31
  that's
• 17:31
  when
• 17:31
  they
• 17:32
  cut
• 17:32
  him
• 17:32
  a
• 17:32
  deal,
• 17:33
  and
• 17:33
  that's
• 17:33
  when
• 17:34
  he
• 17:34
  signed
• 17:34
  over
• 17:35
  all
• 17:35
  his
• 17:35
  rights.
• 17:36
  But
• 17:36
  he
• 17:36
  did
• 17:36
  get
• 17:36
  a
• 17:37
  similar
• 17:37
  deal
• 17:37
  like
• 17:38
  you
• 17:38
  did.
• 17:38
  It's
• 17:39
  been
• 17:39
  a
• 17:39
  while
• 17:39
  now
• 17:39
  since
• 17:40
  I
• 17:40
  reviewed
• 17:40
  that
• 17:40
  contract,
• 17:41
  which,
• 17:41
  by
• 17:41
  the
• 17:42
  way,
• 17:42
  authors
• 17:42
  review
• 17:42
  your
• 17:43
  contract
• 17:43
  every.
• 17:44
  I
• 17:44
  get
• 17:45
  a
• 17:46
  certain
• 17:47
  percentage
• 17:47
  of
• 17:47
  a
• 17:47
  kickback
• 17:48
  and
• 17:48
  royalties,
• 17:49
  things
• 17:49
  like
• 17:49
  that.
• 17:50
  And
• 17:51
  I
• 17:51
  want
• 17:51
  to
• 17:51
  use
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  word
• 17:51
  evil,
• 17:52
  necessary
• 17:52
  evil.
• 17:52
  It
• 17:53
  was
• 17:53
  what
• 17:53
  had
• 17:53
  to
• 17:54
  be
• 17:54
  done
• 17:54
  to
• 17:54
  make
• 17:54
  the
• 17:55
  product
• 17:55
  come
• 17:55
  to
• 17:55
  life.
• 17:56
  And
• 17:56
  I
• 17:56
  noticed.
• 17:57
  I
• 17:57
  went
• 17:57
  to
• 17:57
  Hanger
• 17:58
  One
• 17:58
  Publishing
• 17:59
  to
• 18:00
  their
• 18:00
  website.
• 18:00
  Your
• 18:01
  book
• 18:01
  is
• 18:01
  on
• 18:02
  their
• 18:02
  website?
• 18:03
  Yep.
• 18:04
  And
• 18:05
  so
• 18:05
  you're
• 18:06
  part
• 18:06
  of
• 18:06
  other
• 18:07
  titles.
• 18:08
  Yeah.
• 18:08
  And
• 18:08
  there.
• 18:09
  There
• 18:09
  are
• 18:10
  plenty
• 18:10
  of
• 18:10
  authors
• 18:11
  that
• 18:11
  Hanger
• 18:11
  One
• 18:11
  Publishing
• 18:12
  works
• 18:12
  with.
• 18:13
  And
• 18:13
  yeah,
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  think
• 18:14
  it's.
• 18:15
  And
• 18:15
  especially
• 18:16
  to
• 18:16
  be
• 18:16
  in
• 18:16
  the
• 18:16
  circle
• 18:17
  of
• 18:17
  other.
• 18:18
  Around
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  Bigfoot
• 18:19
  topic
• 18:20
  and
• 18:20
  things
• 18:20
  like
• 18:20
  that,
• 18:20
  It's.
• 18:21
  I'm
• 18:21
  in
• 18:21
  good
• 18:21
  company.
• 18:22
  What
• 18:22
  is
• 18:22
  your
• 18:23
  obligation
• 18:24
  to
• 18:24
  them
• 18:24
  in
• 18:24
  terms
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  promoting
• 18:26
  the
• 18:26
  book?
• 18:26
  Because
• 18:27
  besides
• 18:27
  having
• 18:28
  your
• 18:28
  book
• 18:28
  on
• 18:28
  their
• 18:29
  website,
• 18:29
  are
• 18:30
  they
• 18:30
  doing
• 18:30
  anything
• 18:31
  else
• 18:32
  for
• 18:32
  you
• 18:32
  or.
• 18:33
  Or
• 18:34
  is
• 18:34
  it
• 18:34
  you
• 18:34
  who's
• 18:35
  doing
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  primary
• 18:37
  marketing
• 18:37
  and
• 18:37
  sales
• 18:38
  end
• 18:38
  of
• 18:39
  it?
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  would
• 18:40
  almost
• 18:40
  say
• 18:40
  it's
• 18:40
  50
• 18:40
  50,
• 18:41
  because
• 18:42
  they
• 18:43
  are
• 18:43
  helping
• 18:43
  me
• 18:44
  broadcast
• 18:45
  this
• 18:45
  to
• 18:45
  get
• 18:45
  on
• 18:46
  podcasts
• 18:46
  and
• 18:46
  things
• 18:46
  like
• 18:47
  that.
• 18:47
  So
• 18:47
  that's
• 18:47
  super
• 18:48
  helpful.
• 18:49
  I
• 18:49
  still
• 18:49
  have
• 18:49
  a
• 18:49
  day
• 18:49
  job,
• 18:50
  so
• 18:50
  I
• 18:50
  need
• 18:50
  to
• 18:51
  make
• 18:51
  sure
• 18:51
  that
• 18:51
  I'm
• 18:51
  focused
• 18:52
  on
• 18:52
  that
• 18:52
  and
• 18:52
  family.
• 18:53
  So
• 18:53
  then
• 18:54
  reaching
• 18:54
  out
• 18:54
  and
• 18:56
  causing
• 18:56
  a
• 18:56
  little
• 18:56
  bit
• 18:56
  of
• 18:57
  a
• 18:57
  stir
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  make
• 18:57
  sure,
• 18:57
  like,
• 18:57
  I'm
• 18:58
  getting
• 18:58
  on
• 18:58
  podcasts
• 18:59
  to
• 18:59
  talk
• 18:59
  about
• 18:59
  my
• 18:59
  story,
• 19:00
  whether
• 19:00
  it's
• 19:00
  literally
• 19:01
  the
• 19:01
  Billy
• 19:01
  Finds
• 19:01
  Bigfoot
• 19:02
  or
• 19:02
  my
• 19:02
  personal
• 19:02
  story
• 19:03
  about
• 19:03
  it,
• 19:03
  or
• 19:03
  even
• 19:05
  talking
• 19:05
  about
• 19:05
  the
• 19:06
  Bigfoot
• 19:06
  topic
• 19:06
  itself.
• 19:07
  So
• 19:07
  that,
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  me,
• 19:08
  has
• 19:08
  been
• 19:09
  amazing
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  do.
• 19:10
  I
• 19:10
  love
• 19:10
  coming
• 19:10
  on
• 19:11
  podcasts
• 19:11
  and
• 19:11
  discussing
• 19:12
  with
• 19:12
  folks
• 19:12
  like
• 19:12
  yourself,
• 19:13
  Rick,
• 19:13
  and.
• 19:13
  But
• 19:14
  then
• 19:14
  as
• 19:14
  far
• 19:15
  as
• 19:16
  grassroots,
• 19:17
  what
• 19:17
  I've
• 19:18
  done
• 19:18
  myself
• 19:19
  is
• 19:19
  actually
• 19:20
  taken
• 19:20
  my
• 19:20
  book
• 19:21
  to
• 19:21
  all
• 19:21
  the
• 19:21
  libraries
• 19:22
  that
• 19:22
  are
• 19:22
  in
• 19:22
  the
• 19:22
  area.
• 19:23
  And
• 19:24
  typically
• 19:24
  libraries
• 19:25
  will
• 19:25
  just
• 19:25
  accept
• 19:25
  your
• 19:26
  book
• 19:26
  for
• 19:26
  free.
• 19:26
  As
• 19:26
  long
• 19:26
  as
• 19:27
  you're
• 19:27
  willing
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  give
• 19:27
  it,
• 19:28
  they'll
• 19:28
  take
• 19:29
  it
• 19:29
  in.
• 19:29
  And
• 19:29
  that
• 19:30
  also
• 19:30
  helps
• 19:31
  circulate
• 19:32
  and
• 19:32
  distribute
• 19:32
  your
• 19:32
  work.
• 19:33
  And
• 19:34
  I've
• 19:34
  also
• 19:34
  gone
• 19:35
  to
• 19:35
  a
• 19:35
  couple
• 19:35
  of
• 19:35
  different
• 19:35
  bookshops
• 19:36
  and
• 19:37
  approached
• 19:37
  them.
• 19:38
  Some
• 19:38
  bookshops
• 19:38
  will
• 19:39
  actually
• 19:39
  give
• 19:39
  you.
• 19:41
  This
• 19:41
  was
• 19:41
  one
• 19:41
  of
• 19:41
  the
• 19:41
  bookshops,
• 19:42
  just
• 19:42
  as
• 19:42
  example,
• 19:43
  gave
• 19:44
  you,
• 19:44
  like,
• 19:44
  a
• 19:44
  small
• 19:44
  little
• 19:44
  contract
• 19:45
  to
• 19:45
  write
• 19:45
  and
• 19:45
  said,
• 19:46
  okay,
• 19:46
  for
• 19:46
  three
• 19:46
  months,
• 19:46
  we're
• 19:47
  gonna
• 19:47
  have
• 19:47
  three
• 19:48
  copies
• 19:48
  of
• 19:48
  your
• 19:48
  book.
• 19:49
  We're
• 19:49
  gonna
• 19:49
  see
• 19:49
  how
• 19:49
  they
• 19:50
  sell.
• 19:51
  And
• 19:51
  if
• 19:51
  they
• 19:52
  sell
• 19:52
  quick,
• 19:52
  then
• 19:53
  we'll
• 19:54
  buy
• 19:54
  more
• 19:54
  and
• 19:55
  you'll
• 19:55
  get
• 19:55
  a
• 19:55
  cut
• 19:56
  and
• 19:56
  things
• 19:56
  like
• 19:56
  that.
• 19:57
  But
• 19:57
  when
• 19:57
  you
• 19:57
  visit
• 19:58
  those
• 19:58
  bookstores,
• 19:59
  are
• 19:59
  you're
• 20:00
  not
• 20:00
  selling
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  books
• 20:01
  directly,
• 20:01
  are
• 20:01
  you
• 20:01
  selling
• 20:02
  them
• 20:02
  through
• 20:02
  Hanger
• 20:03
  One
• 20:03
  Publishing?
• 20:04
  Like
• 20:04
  how
• 20:04
  are
• 20:04
  they
• 20:05
  getting
• 20:05
  the
• 20:05
  books?
• 20:06
  Oh,
• 20:06
  so
• 20:07
  I
• 20:08
  bought
• 20:08
  a
• 20:08
  bunch
• 20:09
  myself.
• 20:09
  That's
• 20:09
  a
• 20:10
  great
• 20:10
  question
• 20:10
  because
• 20:11
  depending
• 20:12
  on
• 20:12
  your
• 20:12
  publisher,
• 20:13
  they
• 20:13
  might
• 20:14
  actually
• 20:14
  hand
• 20:14
  you
• 20:15
  a.
• 20:16
  A
• 20:16
  bulk
• 20:16
  sheet.
• 20:17
  Right.
• 20:17
  You
• 20:17
  can
• 20:18
  buy
• 20:18
  your
• 20:18
  books
• 20:19
  in
• 20:19
  bulk
• 20:20
  and
• 20:20
  then
• 20:22
  you
• 20:22
  can
• 20:23
  do
• 20:23
  whatever
• 20:23
  you
• 20:23
  want
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  with
• 20:24
  them.
• 20:24
  Again,
• 20:25
  libraries,
• 20:25
  bookstores,
• 20:26
  share
• 20:27
  them.
• 20:27
  Right.
• 20:28
  But
• 20:28
  then
• 20:28
  you
• 20:29
  can
• 20:29
  also
• 20:29
  have
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  option
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  have
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  bookstore
• 20:31
  buy
• 20:32
  your
• 20:32
  book
• 20:32
  in
• 20:32
  bulk
• 20:32
  as
• 20:33
  well.
• 20:34
  That
• 20:34
  to
• 20:34
  me
• 20:34
  is
• 20:34
  if
• 20:35
  you're
• 20:35
  at
• 20:35
  that
• 20:36
  point,
• 20:36
  if
• 20:36
  you
• 20:36
  have
• 20:36
  a
• 20:36
  bookstore
• 20:37
  buying
• 20:38
  your
• 20:38
  book
• 20:38
  in
• 20:38
  bulk,
• 20:39
  20
• 20:39
  in
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  box,
• 20:40
  whatever
• 20:40
  it
• 20:40
  is,
• 20:41
  and
• 20:41
  multiple
• 20:41
  times
• 20:42
  a
• 20:43
  month
• 20:43
  or
• 20:43
  a
• 20:43
  year,
• 20:43
  like
• 20:44
  you're
• 20:44
  doing
• 20:44
  probably
• 20:45
  pretty
• 20:45
  well
• 20:45
  then
• 20:45
  like
• 20:46
  as
• 20:46
  far
• 20:46
  as
• 20:47
  selling
• 20:47
  out.
• 20:47
  And
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  think
• 20:48
  that
• 20:48
  you
• 20:48
  probably
• 20:49
  would
• 20:49
  start
• 20:49
  to
• 20:49
  make
• 20:49
  a
• 20:50
  pretty
• 20:50
  good
• 20:50
  name
• 20:50
  for
• 20:50
  yourself.
• 20:51
  Not
• 20:51
  quite
• 20:51
  there
• 20:52
  yet.
• 20:53
  In
• 20:53
  terms
• 20:53
  of
• 20:54
  the
• 20:54
  Hangar
• 20:55
  One
• 20:56
  publishing
• 20:56
  experience.
• 20:57
  Would
• 20:58
  you
• 20:58
  do
• 20:58
  this
• 20:58
  again
• 20:59
  with
• 20:59
  them?
• 21:00
  Yeah,
• 21:01
  absolutely.
• 21:01
  And
• 21:01
  like
• 21:02
  I
• 21:02
  said,
• 21:02
  I've
• 21:02
  tried
• 21:02
  with
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  next
• 21:03
  book
• 21:03
  that
• 21:04
  I
• 21:04
  have.
• 21:04
  Is
• 21:05
  it
• 21:05
  real
• 21:05
  or
• 21:05
  not?
• 21:05
  But
• 21:06
  it
• 21:06
  just
• 21:06
  so
• 21:07
  happened
• 21:07
  that
• 21:07
  they're.
• 21:08
  Because
• 21:09
  they're
• 21:09
  more
• 21:09
  of
• 21:09
  also
• 21:10
  like
• 21:10
  I
• 21:10
  want
• 21:10
  to
• 21:11
  say
• 21:11
  more
• 21:11
  of
• 21:11
  a
• 21:11
  media
• 21:11
  company
• 21:11
  as
• 21:12
  well.
• 21:12
  They're
• 21:12
  working
• 21:12
  on
• 21:13
  documentaries,
• 21:14
  they're
• 21:14
  working
• 21:14
  on
• 21:15
  other
• 21:15
  books,
• 21:15
  they're
• 21:15
  working
• 21:15
  on
• 21:16
  more
• 21:16
  non
• 21:16
  fiction
• 21:18
  material
• 21:18
  right
• 21:18
  now.
• 21:19
  So
• 21:19
  it
• 21:19
  just
• 21:19
  so
• 21:20
  happens
• 21:20
  that
• 21:20
  their
• 21:20
  focus
• 21:21
  has
• 21:21
  shifted.
• 21:22
  Having
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  now
• 21:23
  see
• 21:23
  where.
• 21:24
  Who
• 21:24
  else
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  could
• 21:24
  be
• 21:25
  working
• 21:25
  with
• 21:25
  and
• 21:25
  making
• 21:25
  contacts
• 21:26
  and
• 21:26
  reaching
• 21:26
  out
• 21:26
  in
• 21:27
  which
• 21:27
  we
• 21:27
  can
• 21:28
  talk
• 21:28
  about
• 21:28
  that
• 21:28
  whole
• 21:29
  process
• 21:29
  as
• 21:29
  well
• 21:29
  and
• 21:31
  how
• 21:31
  it
• 21:32
  is
• 21:32
  hard.
• 21:32
  It
• 21:33
  is
• 21:33
  very
• 21:33
  hard.
• 21:34
  Even
• 21:34
  with
• 21:35
  contacts
• 21:35
  that
• 21:35
  I
• 21:36
  have
• 21:36
  within
• 21:36
  hanging
• 21:37
  on
• 21:37
  publishing
• 21:37
  and
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  publishing
• 21:38
  side
• 21:38
  of
• 21:38
  things,
• 21:39
  it's
• 21:40
  just
• 21:40
  hard
• 21:40
  because
• 21:42
  each
• 21:43
  publisher
• 21:44
  or
• 21:44
  publishing
• 21:44
  house
• 21:45
  or
• 21:45
  agency
• 21:45
  might
• 21:46
  just
• 21:46
  have
• 21:46
  a
• 21:46
  different
• 21:46
  focus.
• 21:47
  Or
• 21:48
  maybe
• 21:48
  the
• 21:48
  Bigfoot
• 21:49
  scene
• 21:49
  is.
• 21:50
  Maybe
• 21:50
  that's
• 21:51
  five
• 21:51
  years
• 21:51
  ago.
• 21:52
  Who.
• 21:52
  Whatever
• 21:52
  it
• 21:52
  was.
• 21:53
  Absolutely.
• 21:54
  I
• 21:54
  know
• 21:54
  you're
• 21:54
  talking
• 21:55
  about
• 21:55
  writing
• 21:55
  a
• 21:55
  novel.
• 21:56
  Let.
• 21:57
  Yeah,
• 21:57
  just
• 21:57
  because.
• 21:57
  And
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  had
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  look
• 21:58
  this
• 21:58
  up
• 21:58
  too.
• 21:59
  It's
• 21:59
  about
• 22:01
  1700
• 22:01
  words.
• 22:02
  Okay.
• 22:02
  And
• 22:03
  which
• 22:04
  kind
• 22:04
  of
• 22:04
  puts
• 22:04
  it
• 22:04
  in
• 22:04
  this
• 22:05
  noveletta,
• 22:05
  which
• 22:06
  I
• 22:06
  didn't
• 22:06
  even
• 22:06
  know
• 22:06
  candidly,
• 22:07
  Rick,
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  didn't
• 22:08
  know
• 22:08
  that
• 22:08
  was
• 22:08
  even
• 22:08
  a
• 22:08
  term.
• 22:09
  Right.
• 22:09
  And
• 22:09
  then
• 22:10
  working
• 22:10
  with
• 22:11
  a
• 22:12
  friend
• 22:12
  who's
• 22:12
  in
• 22:12
  the
• 22:13
  publishing
• 22:13
  world
• 22:13
  as
• 22:13
  well.
• 22:14
  And
• 22:14
  so
• 22:14
  trying
• 22:14
  to
• 22:15
  learn
• 22:15
  the
• 22:15
  ropes
• 22:15
  again
• 22:16
  of
• 22:16
  how
• 22:16
  do
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  get
• 22:17
  this
• 22:17
  out
• 22:17
  there.
• 22:18
  And
• 22:19
  the
• 22:20
  reason
• 22:20
  why
• 22:20
  I'm
• 22:20
  having
• 22:21
  a
• 22:22
  bit
• 22:22
  of
• 22:22
  whiplash,
• 22:23
  let's
• 22:23
  just
• 22:23
  say,
• 22:23
  is
• 22:24
  because
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  first
• 22:25
  time
• 22:25
  around
• 22:25
  it
• 22:26
  was
• 22:26
  actually
• 22:26
  very
• 22:26
  Easy.
• 22:28
  It
• 22:28
  just
• 22:28
  happened
• 22:28
  to
• 22:28
  be
• 22:29
  the
• 22:29
  right
• 22:29
  time,
• 22:29
  right
• 22:29
  place.
• 22:30
  And
• 22:30
  it
• 22:30
  was
• 22:30
  like,
• 22:30
  wow,
• 22:30
  I
• 22:30
  got
• 22:31
  this
• 22:31
  thing
• 22:31
  published.
• 22:31
  And
• 22:31
  it
• 22:31
  was
• 22:32
  like
• 22:32
  snapping
• 22:32
  your
• 22:32
  fingers
• 22:33
  where
• 22:33
  now.
• 22:34
  And
• 22:34
  because
• 22:35
  it's
• 22:36
  not.
• 22:37
  There's
• 22:37
  only
• 22:37
  one,
• 22:37
  like,
• 22:38
  picture
• 22:38
  at
• 22:38
  the
• 22:39
  beginning
• 22:39
  and
• 22:40
  there's
• 22:40
  this.
• 22:41
  It's
• 22:41
  all
• 22:41
  words,
• 22:42
  basically.
• 22:43
  That's
• 22:43
  just
• 22:43
  a
• 22:43
  different
• 22:44
  audience
• 22:44
  and
• 22:45
  trying
• 22:45
  to
• 22:45
  tap
• 22:45
  into
• 22:46
  that
• 22:46
  different
• 22:46
  audience.
• 22:46
  And
• 22:47
  that
• 22:47
  generally
• 22:47
  they
• 22:48
  say
• 22:48
  when
• 22:49
  you.
• 22:49
  A
• 22:49
  children's
• 22:50
  book
• 22:50
  is
• 22:50
  between.
• 22:51
  Especially
• 22:51
  a
• 22:52
  picture
• 22:52
  book
• 22:52
  is
• 22:53
  between
• 22:53
  500
• 22:53
  and
• 22:54
  1,000
• 22:54
  words.
• 22:55
  Not
• 22:56
  that
• 22:56
  I
• 22:56
  haven't
• 22:56
  seen
• 22:58
  children's
• 22:58
  picture
• 22:59
  books
• 22:59
  over
• 23:00
  a
• 23:00
  thousand
• 23:00
  words,
• 23:00
  but
• 23:01
  generally
• 23:01
  it's
• 23:02
  in
• 23:02
  that
• 23:02
  range
• 23:02
  from
• 23:03
  500
• 23:03
  to
• 23:03
  1,000.
• 23:05
  So
• 23:05
  I
• 23:05
  want
• 23:05
  to
• 23:06
  talk
• 23:06
  to
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  about.
• 23:06
  Also,
• 23:07
  you
• 23:07
  do
• 23:07
  your
• 23:08
  book
• 23:08
  in
• 23:09
  two
• 23:09
  formats
• 23:10
  now,
• 23:10
  a
• 23:10
  soft
• 23:11
  cover
• 23:11
  and
• 23:11
  an
• 23:11
  ebook.
• 23:12
  Yeah,
• 23:13
  that's
• 23:13
  just
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  different
• 23:14
  formats
• 23:14
  that
• 23:14
  I
• 23:15
  think
• 23:15
  Hangar
• 23:15
  One
• 23:15
  Publishing
• 23:16
  decided
• 23:16
  to
• 23:16
  go
• 23:16
  with.
• 23:17
  You've
• 23:17
  got
• 23:17
  your
• 23:17
  books,
• 23:18
  you
• 23:18
  can
• 23:18
  buy
• 23:19
  your
• 23:19
  soft
• 23:20
  cover
• 23:20
  book
• 23:20
  and
• 23:21
  your
• 23:21
  ebook
• 23:22
  also
• 23:22
  through
• 23:22
  Amazon
• 23:25
  now.
• 23:25
  And
• 23:25
  Hanger
• 23:26
  One.
• 23:26
  Hanger
• 23:27
  One
• 23:27
  Publishing
• 23:28
  reminds
• 23:28
  me
• 23:29
  of
• 23:29
  because
• 23:29
  I
• 23:29
  noticed
• 23:30
  they
• 23:30
  have
• 23:30
  distribution
• 23:31
  through
• 23:33
  all
• 23:34
  the
• 23:34
  major
• 23:35
  online
• 23:35
  retailers
• 23:36
  like
• 23:36
  Barnes
• 23:37
  and
• 23:37
  Noble
• 23:37
  and
• 23:38
  things
• 23:38
  like
• 23:38
  that
• 23:40
  on
• 23:40
  their
• 23:41
  website.
• 23:41
  Okay.
• 23:41
  And
• 23:42
  you
• 23:42
  may
• 23:42
  have
• 23:42
  heard
• 23:42
  of
• 23:43
  a
• 23:43
  company
• 23:43
  called
• 23:43
  ingramsparks,
• 23:44
  which
• 23:45
  a
• 23:45
  lot
• 23:45
  of
• 23:45
  people
• 23:45
  use.
• 23:46
  Ingramsparks,
• 23:47
  I
• 23:48
  think
• 23:48
  is
• 23:48
  global
• 23:49
  and
• 23:49
  very
• 23:50
  large,
• 23:51
  probably
• 23:51
  second
• 23:52
  behind
• 23:53
  Amazon
• 23:54
  and.
• 23:54
  And
• 23:55
  they
• 23:55
  do
• 23:55
  the
• 23:55
  same
• 23:55
  thing
• 23:56
  that
• 23:56
  Hangar
• 23:57
  One
• 23:57
  Publishing
• 23:58
  does.
• 23:59
  And
• 23:59
  so
• 24:00
  you've
• 24:00
  never
• 24:01
  used
• 24:01
  ingramsparks?
• 24:03
  No,
• 24:03
  no.
• 24:04
  I.
• 24:04
  I
• 24:04
  looked
• 24:04
  at
• 24:05
  your
• 24:05
  book.
• 24:05
  I
• 24:06
  went
• 24:06
  to,
• 24:06
  of
• 24:06
  course,
• 24:07
  Hangar
• 24:07
  One's
• 24:07
  publishing
• 24:08
  website.
• 24:09
  Tell
• 24:09
  us.
• 24:10
  I
• 24:10
  noticed
• 24:11
  you
• 24:12
  use
• 24:12
  Etsy
• 24:14
  for
• 24:14
  your
• 24:15
  website.
• 24:15
  I
• 24:15
  do.
• 24:16
  It's
• 24:16
  for.
• 24:16
  It's.
• 24:17
  I.
• 24:17
  I
• 24:18
  try
• 24:18
  to.
• 24:18
  I'm
• 24:19
  a
• 24:19
  creative
• 24:19
  person,
• 24:20
  so
• 24:20
  just
• 24:20
  put
• 24:20
  that
• 24:20
  out
• 24:20
  there.
• 24:21
  Not
• 24:21
  bashful.
• 24:22
  So
• 24:22
  to
• 24:23
  try
• 24:23
  to
• 24:24
  solicit
• 24:24
  my
• 24:25
  love
• 24:25
  for
• 24:25
  the
• 24:25
  Bigfoot
• 24:26
  topic,
• 24:26
  I
• 24:26
  do
• 24:26
  have
• 24:27
  Etsy.
• 24:27
  There's
• 24:27
  shirts
• 24:27
  on
• 24:28
  there
• 24:28
  and
• 24:28
  things
• 24:28
  like
• 24:28
  that.
• 24:29
  Pine
• 24:29
  Shadow
• 24:29
  Designs
• 24:30
  is
• 24:30
  my
• 24:30
  Etsy
• 24:30
  account
• 24:31
  and.
• 24:31
  But
• 24:31
  funny
• 24:32
  enough,
• 24:32
  I
• 24:32
  actually
• 24:33
  don't
• 24:34
  have
• 24:35
  my
• 24:35
  book
• 24:35
  on
• 24:36
  there,
• 24:36
  so
• 24:37
  you
• 24:37
  might
• 24:37
  have
• 24:37
  noticed
• 24:37
  that
• 24:38
  it.
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  did,
• 24:39
  and
• 24:39
  I
• 24:40
  don't
• 24:40
  know
• 24:40
  why.
• 24:41
  And
• 24:41
  are
• 24:41
  you
• 24:41
  using
• 24:42
  any
• 24:42
  of
• 24:42
  your
• 24:42
  artwork
• 24:43
  for
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  different
• 24:44
  things
• 24:44
  that
• 24:44
  you're
• 24:45
  selling
• 24:45
  through?
• 24:46
  You
• 24:46
  said
• 24:46
  it's
• 24:47
  Pine
• 24:47
  Shadow
• 24:47
  design
• 24:48
  on
• 24:49
  Etsy.
• 24:49
  Yeah,
• 24:50
  those
• 24:50
  are
• 24:50
  all
• 24:50
  of
• 24:51
  my
• 24:51
  own
• 24:51
  creative
• 24:52
  designs.
• 24:52
  You
• 24:52
  might
• 24:53
  see
• 24:53
  one
• 24:53
  or
• 24:53
  two
• 24:54
  borrowed
• 24:55
  because
• 24:55
  I'm
• 24:55
  a
• 24:56
  big
• 24:56
  Harry
• 24:56
  and
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  Hendersons
• 24:57
  fan.
• 24:57
  Obviously
• 24:58
  that's
• 24:58
  stemming
• 24:59
  back
• 24:59
  from
• 24:59
  childhood.
• 25:00
  That
• 25:00
  kind
• 25:00
  of
• 25:01
  helps
• 25:02
  you
• 25:02
  and
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  other
• 25:03
  listeners
• 25:03
  perhaps
• 25:04
  know
• 25:04
  Ali
• 25:05
  where
• 25:05
  this
• 25:05
  is
• 25:05
  all
• 25:05
  coming
• 25:05
  from.
• 25:06
  Harry.
• 25:06
  And
• 25:06
  the
• 25:06
  Henderson
• 25:07
  has
• 25:07
  really
• 25:07
  kicked
• 25:07
  it
• 25:07
  off
• 25:07
  for
• 25:07
  me.
• 25:08
  But.
• 25:08
  So,
• 25:08
  yeah,
• 25:08
  but
• 25:08
  it's
• 25:09
  there.
• 25:09
  And
• 25:09
  that's
• 25:09
  actually
• 25:11
  why
• 25:12
  my
• 25:12
  book
• 25:12
  isn't
• 25:12
  on
• 25:13
  there?
• 25:13
  I
• 25:13
  think
• 25:13
  it's
• 25:13
  because
• 25:15
  trying
• 25:16
  to,
• 25:17
  I
• 25:17
  don't
• 25:17
  know,
• 25:17
  for
• 25:18
  some
• 25:18
  and
• 25:18
  I
• 25:18
  guess
• 25:18
  to
• 25:18
  get
• 25:20
  my.
• 25:20
  Into
• 25:20
  my
• 25:20
  head
• 25:21
  a
• 25:21
  little
• 25:21
  bit.
• 25:22
  I
• 25:22
  think
• 25:22
  it's
• 25:22
  because
• 25:23
  I'm
• 25:23
  trying
• 25:23
  to
• 25:23
  have
• 25:24
  more
• 25:24
  of
• 25:24
  a
• 25:26
  separation
• 25:27
  between
• 25:27
  my
• 25:28
  author
• 25:28
  side,
• 25:29
  call
• 25:29
  it
• 25:29
  Gnome
• 25:29
  diploma,
• 25:30
  where
• 25:30
  it's
• 25:30
  like
• 25:31
  more
• 25:32
  of
• 25:32
  my
• 25:32
  author
• 25:32
  side
• 25:33
  like
• 25:33
  that's
• 25:34
  there
• 25:35
  versus
• 25:36
  my
• 25:37
  other
• 25:37
  design
• 25:38
  side
• 25:38
  and
• 25:39
  everything
• 25:39
  that's
• 25:39
  on
• 25:39
  Pine
• 25:40
  Shadow
• 25:40
  Designs.
• 25:41
  Even
• 25:41
  though
• 25:41
  I'm
• 25:41
  on
• 25:41
  podcasts
• 25:42
  and
• 25:42
  I
• 25:42
  share
• 25:43
  my
• 25:43
  name
• 25:43
  and
• 25:43
  show
• 25:44
  my
• 25:44
  face
• 25:44
  and
• 25:44
  things
• 25:44
  like
• 25:45
  that,
• 25:45
  I
• 25:45
  guess
• 25:45
  it's
• 25:45
  more
• 25:46
  so
• 25:47
  wanting
• 25:47
  to
• 25:47
  still
• 25:48
  have
• 25:48
  some
• 25:50
  mystery
• 25:51
  separation
• 25:52
  branding.
• 25:54
  Yeah,
• 25:54
  yeah,
• 25:54
  that's
• 25:55
  probably.
• 25:55
  Yeah,
• 25:56
  absolutely.
• 25:56
  When
• 25:56
  it
• 25:57
  comes
• 25:57
  to
• 25:57
  your
• 25:57
  social
• 25:57
  media,
• 25:58
  have
• 25:59
  you
• 25:59
  separated
• 25:59
  those
• 26:00
  also
• 26:00
  or
• 26:01
  how
• 26:01
  are
• 26:01
  you
• 26:01
  doing
• 26:02
  the
• 26:02
  social
• 26:02
  media
• 26:03
  for
• 26:03
  Billy
• 26:04
  Finds
• 26:04
  Bigfoot?
• 26:06
  I
• 26:06
  again,
• 26:07
  I
• 26:07
  post
• 26:07
  on
• 26:07
  it
• 26:08
  on
• 26:08
  my
• 26:08
  personal
• 26:09
  side.
• 26:09
  I've
• 26:09
  shared
• 26:10
  that
• 26:10
  out.
• 26:10
  I've
• 26:11
  also
• 26:11
  shared
• 26:11
  that
• 26:11
  on
• 26:11
  my
• 26:12
  pen
• 26:12
  shadow
• 26:12
  design
• 26:13
  which
• 26:13
  is
• 26:13
  on
• 26:13
  my
• 26:13
  Instagram.
• 26:14
  So
• 26:14
  that's
• 26:15
  me.
• 26:15
  I
• 26:16
  do
• 26:16
  have
• 26:16
  it
• 26:16
  there.
• 26:17
  It's
• 26:17
  just
• 26:18
  never
• 26:19
  really
• 26:19
  bringing
• 26:19
  it
• 26:20
  into
• 26:20
  the
• 26:20
  Etsy
• 26:21
  world.
• 26:21
  Also
• 26:22
  possibly
• 26:22
  just
• 26:22
  because
• 26:23
  of
• 26:24
  shipping
• 26:24
  and
• 26:25
  having
• 26:25
  to
• 26:25
  then
• 26:26
  create
• 26:26
  labels
• 26:27
  and
• 26:27
  needing
• 26:28
  to
• 26:28
  get
• 26:28
  envelopes
• 26:28
  and
• 26:29
  yes,
• 26:29
  that
• 26:29
  might.
• 26:29
  Be
• 26:29
  super
• 26:30
  on
• 26:30
  your
• 26:31
  Etsy
• 26:32
  website.
• 26:32
  And
• 26:32
  again,
• 26:33
  I'm
• 26:33
  not
• 26:33
  that
• 26:33
  familiar
• 26:34
  with
• 26:34
  Etsy,
• 26:35
  but
• 26:35
  can't
• 26:35
  you
• 26:36
  create
• 26:36
  a
• 26:36
  link
• 26:36
  where
• 26:37
  you
• 26:37
  could
• 26:37
  have
• 26:38
  your
• 26:38
  link
• 26:38
  just
• 26:39
  go
• 26:39
  right
• 26:39
  to
• 26:40
  Amazon
• 26:41
  or
• 26:41
  to
• 26:41
  Hanger
• 26:42
  one
• 26:42
  publisher?
• 26:42
  Oh,
• 26:42
  that's
• 26:43
  a
• 26:43
  great
• 26:43
  suggestion,
• 26:44
  Rick.
• 26:44
  I
• 26:45
  will
• 26:45
  look
• 26:45
  into
• 26:45
  it.
• 26:46
  Yeah,
• 26:46
  I'd
• 26:46
  be
• 26:47
  curious
• 26:47
  for
• 26:47
  sure.
• 26:48
  It's
• 26:48
  a
• 26:48
  great
• 26:48
  suggestion.
• 26:50
  Yeah,
• 26:50
  yeah,
• 26:51
  I
• 26:51
  will
• 26:52
  actually
• 26:52
  take
• 26:52
  a
• 26:53
  look
• 26:53
  into
• 26:53
  that
• 26:53
  for
• 26:53
  sure.
• 26:54
  Okay,
• 26:54
  terrific.
• 26:55
  It's
• 26:55
  probably
• 26:55
  going
• 26:56
  to
• 26:56
  be
• 26:56
  about
• 26:56
  four
• 26:56
  to
• 26:57
  six
• 26:57
  weeks
• 26:57
  before
• 26:57
  we
• 26:58
  actually
• 26:58
  publish
• 26:59
  this
• 26:59
  episode.
• 27:00
  Yeah,
• 27:00
  no
• 27:00
  kidding.
• 27:00
  If
• 27:01
  you
• 27:01
  find
• 27:01
  out,
• 27:02
  I
• 27:02
  would
• 27:02
  love
• 27:03
  to
• 27:03
  know
• 27:04
  because
• 27:04
  you
• 27:05
  know
• 27:05
  what?
• 27:05
  I'm.
• 27:05
  I
• 27:05
  also
• 27:06
  have
• 27:06
  had
• 27:07
  authors
• 27:08
  come
• 27:08
  on
• 27:08
  and
• 27:08
  they
• 27:09
  use
• 27:09
  Shopify
• 27:10
  and
• 27:10
  they
• 27:10
  use
• 27:10
  another
• 27:11
  company
• 27:11
  called
• 27:12
  Printful.
• 27:13
  Again,
• 27:14
  I
• 27:14
  haven't
• 27:15
  asked
• 27:15
  them
• 27:16
  if
• 27:17
  they
• 27:17
  can
• 27:17
  actually
• 27:18
  link
• 27:18
  their
• 27:19
  book
• 27:20
  to
• 27:20
  other
• 27:21
  online
• 27:21
  retailers
• 27:22
  because
• 27:22
  I
• 27:22
  don't
• 27:22
  think
• 27:22
  I've
• 27:23
  seen
• 27:23
  that
• 27:23
  on
• 27:23
  Shopify
• 27:24
  or
• 27:24
  on
• 27:24
  Printful
• 27:25
  for
• 27:25
  example.
• 27:26
  I
• 27:26
  don't
• 27:27
  know.
• 27:27
  But
• 27:27
  then
• 27:27
  again
• 27:28
  it's.
• 27:29
  I
• 27:29
  do
• 27:29
  also
• 27:29
  on
• 27:30
  Instagram
• 27:30
  I
• 27:31
  do
• 27:31
  post
• 27:31
  things.
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  will
• 27:33
  have
• 27:33
  a
• 27:33
  link
• 27:33
  to
• 27:34
  my
• 27:35
  Etsy
• 27:35
  and
• 27:35
  I
• 27:36
  do
• 27:36
  all
• 27:36
  the
• 27:36
  posts.
• 27:37
  I
• 27:37
  do
• 27:37
  then
• 27:37
  post
• 27:38
  to
• 27:38
  Amazon
• 27:39
  for
• 27:39
  the
• 27:39
  book.
• 27:40
  I
• 27:40
  try
• 27:40
  to
• 27:40
  do
• 27:40
  that
• 27:40
  on
• 27:41
  every
• 27:41
  post.
• 27:41
  I
• 27:41
  do
• 27:41
  it
• 27:42
  there.
• 27:42
  But
• 27:42
  yet
• 27:42
  to
• 27:43
  have
• 27:43
  it
• 27:43
  on
• 27:44
  Etsy
• 27:44
  itself,
• 27:45
  it's
• 27:45
  just.
• 27:45
  I
• 27:45
  don't.
• 27:45
  I
• 27:46
  just
• 27:46
  don't
• 27:46
  know.
• 27:46
  I
• 27:46
  haven't
• 27:46
  got
• 27:47
  it.
• 27:47
  It'd
• 27:47
  be
• 27:48
  interesting
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  know
• 27:48
  that
• 27:49
  anyway,
• 27:49
  so
• 27:49
  so
• 27:50
  thank
• 27:50
  you.
• 27:50
  Yeah,
• 27:50
  absolutely.
• 27:51
  Thank
• 27:51
  you
• 27:51
  for
• 27:51
  the
• 27:51
  idea.
• 27:51
  I
• 27:52
  know
• 27:52
  you
• 27:52
  talked
• 27:52
  a
• 27:53
  little
• 27:53
  bit
• 27:53
  about
• 27:53
  the
• 27:54
  motivation,
• 27:55
  and
• 27:55
  I
• 27:55
  could
• 27:55
  see
• 27:56
  the
• 27:56
  big
• 27:56
  smile
• 27:56
  on
• 27:57
  your
• 27:57
  face
• 27:57
  when
• 27:57
  you
• 27:57
  talked
• 27:58
  about
• 27:59
  Harry
• 27:59
  and
• 27:59
  the
• 28:00
  Hendersons.
• 28:01
  Was
• 28:01
  that
• 28:02
  the
• 28:02
  specific
• 28:03
  moment
• 28:04
  that
• 28:04
  kind
• 28:04
  of
• 28:05
  motivated
• 28:06
  you
• 28:06
  to
• 28:07
  think
• 28:07
  about
• 28:07
  maybe
• 28:08
  there
• 28:08
  was
• 28:08
  a
• 28:08
  children's
• 28:09
  book
• 28:09
  in
• 28:09
  the
• 28:10
  back
• 28:10
  of
• 28:10
  your
• 28:12
  mind
• 28:12
  somewhere?
• 28:13
  It
• 28:13
  was
• 28:13
  probably
• 28:15
  the
• 28:15
  seed
• 28:16
  right
• 28:17
  around
• 28:17
  95,
• 28:18
  when
• 28:19
  the
• 28:19
  Internet
• 28:19
  was
• 28:19
  just
• 28:20
  coming
• 28:20
  out.
• 28:20
  The
• 28:20
  very
• 28:20
  first
• 28:21
  website
• 28:21
  I
• 28:22
  went
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  was
• 28:22
  the
• 28:22
  bfro.net
• 28:24
  that
• 28:24
  was
• 28:25
  perhaps
• 28:25
  like
• 28:25
  the
• 28:25
  watering
• 28:26
  of
• 28:26
  that
• 28:26
  seed.
• 28:27
  And.
• 28:28
  And
• 28:29
  it
• 28:29
  just
• 28:29
  grew
• 28:29
  from
• 28:30
  there.
• 28:30
  It
• 28:30
  really
• 28:31
  wasn't
• 28:31
  until
• 28:32
  again,
• 28:32
  perhaps
• 28:33
  the
• 28:33
  Finding
• 28:34
  Bigfoot
• 28:34
  show
• 28:36
  that
• 28:36
  was
• 28:36
  on
• 28:36
  Discovery
• 28:36
  Channel
• 28:37
  or
• 28:37
  Animal
• 28:37
  Planet.
• 28:38
  That's
• 28:38
  when
• 28:39
  it
• 28:39
  was
• 28:39
  like,
• 28:39
  that
• 28:39
  was
• 28:40
  the
• 28:40
  kind
• 28:41
  of
• 28:41
  the.
• 28:41
  Aha.
• 28:41
  Maybe
• 28:42
  I
• 28:42
  could
• 28:42
  write
• 28:42
  a
• 28:42
  children's
• 28:43
  book.
• 28:44
  And
• 28:44
  it
• 28:44
  was
• 28:44
  perhaps
• 28:45
  something
• 28:45
  that
• 28:45
  I've
• 28:45
  always
• 28:46
  wanted
• 28:46
  to
• 28:46
  do.
• 28:46
  I
• 28:47
  just
• 28:47
  didn't
• 28:48
  know
• 28:48
  how
• 28:48
  and.
• 28:49
  But
• 28:49
  the
• 28:50
  timing
• 28:50
  was
• 28:50
  right
• 28:50
  to
• 28:51
  start,
• 28:51
  and
• 28:52
  just
• 28:53
  let's
• 28:53
  see
• 28:53
  what
• 28:53
  happens.
• 28:54
  Your
• 28:54
  main
• 28:54
  character
• 28:55
  is
• 28:55
  Billy.
• 28:56
  Do
• 28:56
  you
• 28:57
  see
• 28:57
  yourself
• 28:57
  and
• 28:58
  Billy?
• 28:58
  Do
• 28:59
  you
• 28:59
  see
• 28:59
  your
• 28:59
  own
• 28:59
  childhood
• 29:00
  experiences
• 29:02
  through.
• 29:02
  Really,
• 29:04
  it's
• 29:04
  always
• 29:04
  fun
• 29:04
  to
• 29:05
  write
• 29:05
  a
• 29:05
  little
• 29:05
  bit
• 29:05
  about
• 29:06
  yourself,
• 29:07
  obviously,
• 29:07
  whether
• 29:08
  it's
• 29:08
  some
• 29:08
  life
• 29:08
  lessons
• 29:09
  or
• 29:09
  even
• 29:10
  just
• 29:10
  some
• 29:10
  of
• 29:10
  the
• 29:11
  drawings
• 29:11
  that
• 29:12
  are
• 29:12
  in
• 29:12
  there.
• 29:13
  So
• 29:13
  my
• 29:13
  favorite
• 29:14
  color
• 29:14
  is
• 29:14
  red.
• 29:15
  I
• 29:15
  try
• 29:15
  to
• 29:15
  make
• 29:15
  sure
• 29:16
  that
• 29:16
  during
• 29:17
  one
• 29:17
  of
• 29:17
  my
• 29:17
  Billy
• 29:18
  stages
• 29:18
  of,
• 29:18
  like,
• 29:19
  him
• 29:19
  having
• 29:19
  a
• 29:19
  red
• 29:19
  hat,
• 29:20
  I
• 29:20
  wear
• 29:20
  a
• 29:21
  lot
• 29:21
  of
• 29:21
  flannel.
• 29:21
  So
• 29:22
  wearing
• 29:23
  him
• 29:23
  wearing
• 29:23
  flannel,
• 29:24
  the
• 29:25
  cardinal
• 29:25
  bird
• 29:26
  is
• 29:26
  like
• 29:27
  a
• 29:27
  family
• 29:27
  bird,
• 29:27
  if
• 29:28
  you
• 29:28
  will.
• 29:28
  And
• 29:28
  so,
• 29:28
  like
• 29:29
  drawing
• 29:29
  a
• 29:29
  card
• 29:30
  in
• 29:30
  the
• 29:30
  book.
• 29:30
  Right.
• 29:31
  Little
• 29:32
  column,
• 29:33
  Easter
• 29:33
  eggs,
• 29:33
  of
• 29:34
  like,
• 29:34
  a
• 29:34
  little
• 29:35
  bit
• 29:35
  more
• 29:35
  about
• 29:35
  myself
• 29:36
  into
• 29:37
  the
• 29:37
  story,
• 29:38
  which
• 29:38
  is
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  same
• 29:38
  thing
• 29:38
  that
• 29:38
  I'm
• 29:39
  doing
• 29:39
  in
• 29:39
  this
• 29:39
  next
• 29:39
  book.
• 29:40
  But
• 29:40
  it's
• 29:41
  just.
• 29:41
  It's.
• 29:41
  It's
• 29:41
  fun
• 29:41
  to
• 29:42
  drop
• 29:42
  little
• 29:42
  hints.
• 29:43
  And
• 29:43
  even
• 29:44
  though
• 29:44
  I
• 29:44
  talk
• 29:44
  about
• 29:44
  this
• 29:45
  kind
• 29:45
  of
• 29:46
  separation
• 29:47
  between
• 29:48
  my
• 29:48
  different
• 29:48
  creative
• 29:49
  sides
• 29:49
  and
• 29:49
  things
• 29:49
  like
• 29:50
  that,
• 29:50
  it's.
• 29:50
  But
• 29:50
  yet
• 29:51
  what
• 29:51
  I
• 29:52
  find
• 29:52
  is
• 29:52
  interesting
• 29:52
  as
• 29:52
  we're
• 29:53
  talking
• 29:53
  is.
• 29:53
  But
• 29:53
  I'm
• 29:53
  wanting
• 29:55
  you
• 29:55
  to
• 29:55
  know
• 29:55
  more
• 29:55
  about
• 29:56
  me,
• 29:56
  which
• 29:57
  I
• 29:57
  think
• 29:57
  is.
• 29:57
  So
• 29:58
  it's
• 29:58
  a
• 29:58
  kind
• 29:58
  of
• 29:58
  a
• 29:58
  reflection
• 29:59
  of
• 29:59
  you
• 30:00
  through
• 30:00
  the
• 30:00
  book.
• 30:01
  Yeah,
• 30:01
  absolutely.
• 30:02
  It's
• 30:03
  interesting
• 30:03
  because
• 30:03
  as
• 30:03
  children's
• 30:04
  book
• 30:04
  authors,
• 30:05
  we
• 30:05
  have
• 30:05
  this
• 30:05
  literary
• 30:06
  license
• 30:06
  to
• 30:07
  do
• 30:07
  whatever
• 30:07
  we
• 30:07
  would
• 30:08
  like.
• 30:08
  Yes,
• 30:08
  that's
• 30:09
  right.
• 30:09
  And
• 30:10
  like
• 30:10
  you
• 30:10
  said,
• 30:10
  if
• 30:11
  you're
• 30:11
  creative
• 30:11
  and
• 30:12
  things
• 30:12
  start
• 30:12
  flowing
• 30:13
  and
• 30:13
  even
• 30:14
  our
• 30:14
  books.
• 30:14
  Right
• 30:15
  now
• 30:15
  we
• 30:15
  have
• 30:15
  two
• 30:15
  published
• 30:16
  books
• 30:16
  in
• 30:16
  a
• 30:16
  series
• 30:17
  called
• 30:17
  the
• 30:18
  Adventures
• 30:18
  of
• 30:18
  Caboose,
• 30:19
  the
• 30:19
  Rocky
• 30:19
  Mountain
• 30:20
  Bear.
• 30:20
  Love
• 30:20
  it.
• 30:21
  Yeah.
• 30:21
  And
• 30:21
  Caboose
• 30:22
  actually
• 30:23
  starts
• 30:23
  with
• 30:23
  a
• 30:24
  K,
• 30:24
  and
• 30:25
  the
• 30:25
  K
• 30:25
  actually
• 30:26
  stands
• 30:26
  for
• 30:27
  Kira,
• 30:27
  which
• 30:28
  is
• 30:28
  my
• 30:29
  oldest
• 30:29
  granddaughter's
• 30:30
  name.
• 30:31
  And
• 30:31
  that's
• 30:31
  why
• 30:31
  it's
• 30:31
  a
• 30:32
  K,
• 30:32
  not
• 30:32
  a
• 30:32
  C.
• 30:33
  That's
• 30:33
  great.
• 30:33
  Also,
• 30:34
  Caboose
• 30:34
  is
• 30:35
  not
• 30:35
  a
• 30:35
  male.
• 30:36
  Caboose
• 30:37
  is
• 30:37
  a
• 30:37
  female.
• 30:38
  Very
• 30:38
  good.
• 30:38
  Again,
• 30:39
  it's
• 30:39
  because
• 30:39
  it's
• 30:39
  my
• 30:40
  granddaughter.
• 30:40
  And
• 30:40
  then
• 30:41
  we've
• 30:41
  actually
• 30:42
  written
• 30:43
  these
• 30:44
  adventures
• 30:44
  around
• 30:46
  Caboose
• 30:47
  and
• 30:47
  her
• 30:47
  grandfather,
• 30:48
  which
• 30:49
  actually
• 30:49
  is
• 30:50
  me.
• 30:51
  I
• 30:52
  would
• 30:52
  hope
• 30:52
  that
• 30:52
  the
• 30:52
  grandfather
• 30:53
  has
• 30:53
  some
• 30:53
  yellow
• 30:54
  framed
• 30:54
  glasses
• 30:54
  or
• 30:55
  some.
• 30:56
  Actually,
• 30:56
  they're
• 30:56
  green,
• 30:57
  but
• 30:57
  I'd
• 30:58
  be
• 30:58
  looking
• 30:58
  for
• 30:58
  green
• 30:59
  framed
• 31:00
  glasses.
• 31:02
  Yeah.
• 31:02
  So
• 31:03
  definitely
• 31:03
  a
• 31:03
  lot
• 31:03
  of
• 31:04
  fun,
• 31:04
  and
• 31:04
  thank
• 31:04
  you
• 31:05
  for
• 31:05
  sharing
• 31:05
  that.
• 31:06
  You
• 31:06
  know
• 31:06
  how
• 31:07
  as
• 31:07
  children's
• 31:08
  book
• 31:08
  authors,
• 31:08
  we
• 31:09
  can
• 31:09
  put
• 31:09
  our
• 31:09
  own
• 31:09
  personal
• 31:10
  little
• 31:10
  touches
• 31:11
  in
• 31:11
  there,
• 31:11
  and
• 31:11
  it's
• 31:12
  not
• 31:12
  always
• 31:12
  that
• 31:14
  the
• 31:14
  reader
• 31:15
  will
• 31:15
  realize
• 31:16
  that's
• 31:16
  significant
• 31:17
  to
• 31:17
  us.
• 31:18
  Not
• 31:18
  at
• 31:18
  all.
• 31:19
  Like
• 31:19
  you
• 31:20
  said,
• 31:20
  when
• 31:20
  you're
• 31:20
  building
• 31:20
  this
• 31:21
  legacy
• 31:21
  for
• 31:21
  your
• 31:22
  children,
• 31:23
  these
• 31:23
  are
• 31:23
  stories
• 31:24
  that
• 31:24
  you
• 31:24
  can
• 31:25
  share
• 31:25
  with
• 31:25
  your
• 31:25
  children
• 31:26
  and
• 31:26
  they
• 31:27
  become
• 31:27
  meaningful
• 31:28
  to
• 31:28
  them.
• 31:29
  Exactly.
• 31:30
  Yeah.
• 31:31
  I
• 31:31
  loved
• 31:31
  your
• 31:31
  story
• 31:32
  because
• 31:33
  you.
• 31:33
  You
• 31:33
  had
• 31:34
  some
• 31:34
  fun.
• 31:34
  And
• 31:34
  I
• 31:35
  don't
• 31:35
  want
• 31:35
  to
• 31:35
  give
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  story
• 31:36
  away
• 31:36
  too
• 31:36
  much,
• 31:37
  but
• 31:38
  you
• 31:38
  definitely
• 31:39
  had
• 31:39
  some
• 31:40
  fun
• 31:40
  because
• 31:40
  of
• 31:40
  the
• 31:41
  way
• 31:41
  you
• 31:42
  introduced
• 31:43
  Bigfoot
• 31:43
  to
• 31:44
  Billy.
• 31:44
  I.
• 31:44
  I
• 31:44
  love
• 31:45
  that.
• 31:45
  And
• 31:46
  Billy
• 31:47
  was
• 31:47
  on
• 31:47
  this
• 31:48
  adventure,
• 31:48
  and
• 31:49
  I
• 31:49
  don't
• 31:49
  want
• 31:49
  to
• 31:49
  give
• 31:49
  the
• 31:49
  whole
• 31:50
  thing
• 31:50
  away,
• 31:50
  but
• 31:50
  Billy
• 31:51
  was
• 31:51
  on
• 31:51
  an
• 31:51
  adventure
• 31:53
  and
• 31:53
  didn't
• 31:54
  realize
• 31:54
  that
• 31:56
  something
• 31:56
  special
• 31:57
  was
• 31:57
  happening
• 31:58
  to
• 31:59
  Billy.
• 32:00
  But
• 32:00
  that
• 32:01
  wasn't
• 32:02
  what
• 32:02
  Billy
• 32:03
  was
• 32:03
  looking
• 32:03
  for.
• 32:04
  Correct.
• 32:05
  Yeah.
• 32:05
  So
• 32:05
  one
• 32:06
  of
• 32:06
  the
• 32:06
  life
• 32:06
  lessons
• 32:07
  that
• 32:07
  I
• 32:07
  talk
• 32:08
  about
• 32:08
  in
• 32:08
  the
• 32:08
  book
• 32:08
  and
• 32:09
  other
• 32:09
  podcasts
• 32:10
  and
• 32:10
  things
• 32:10
  is
• 32:11
  really
• 32:12
  appreciating
• 32:12
  what
• 32:12
  you
• 32:13
  have
• 32:13
  in
• 32:13
  front
• 32:13
  of
• 32:13
  you
• 32:14
  and
• 32:14
  acknowledging
• 32:15
  what
• 32:15
  you
• 32:15
  have
• 32:15
  in
• 32:15
  front
• 32:15
  of
• 32:15
  you,
• 32:16
  whether
• 32:16
  that's
• 32:16
  relationships,
• 32:17
  someone
• 32:17
  special
• 32:18
  in
• 32:18
  your
• 32:18
  life,
• 32:18
  whatever
• 32:18
  it
• 32:19
  might
• 32:19
  be,
• 32:19
  because
• 32:20
  those
• 32:20
  are
• 32:20
  very
• 32:20
  precious
• 32:21
  moments,
• 32:21
  and
• 32:22
  you
• 32:22
  shouldn't
• 32:22
  take
• 32:22
  them
• 32:22
  for
• 32:23
  granted.
• 32:23
  And
• 32:23
  I
• 32:23
  think
• 32:23
  that's
• 32:24
  a
• 32:24
  very
• 32:24
  hard
• 32:25
  lesson
• 32:25
  for
• 32:26
  even
• 32:26
  adults
• 32:26
  to
• 32:27
  understand.
• 32:28
  And.
• 32:29
  But
• 32:30
  how
• 32:30
  can
• 32:31
  I
• 32:31
  share
• 32:31
  that
• 32:31
  with
• 32:33
  children?
• 32:33
  How
• 32:33
  can
• 32:34
  I
• 32:34
  get
• 32:34
  them
• 32:35
  up
• 32:36
  to
• 32:36
  speed,
• 32:36
  if
• 32:36
  you
• 32:36
  will?
• 32:36
  Right
• 32:37
  on.
• 32:37
  On
• 32:37
  that
• 32:38
  life
• 32:38
  lesson.
• 32:38
  Because
• 32:38
  I
• 32:39
  think
• 32:39
  the
• 32:40
  more
• 32:40
  you
• 32:40
  can
• 32:40
  appreciate
• 32:42
  nature,
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  animals
• 32:44
  in
• 32:44
  the
• 32:44
  forest,
• 32:44
  the
• 32:45
  different
• 32:45
  leaves,
• 32:45
  different
• 32:46
  colored
• 32:46
  rocks
• 32:47
  is
• 32:47
  the
• 32:48
  people.
• 32:48
  Right.
• 32:48
  And
• 32:48
  the
• 32:49
  stories
• 32:50
  that
• 32:50
  maybe
• 32:50
  your
• 32:50
  mom
• 32:50
  or
• 32:51
  dad
• 32:51
  or
• 32:51
  grandma
• 32:51
  or
• 32:51
  grandpa
• 32:52
  can
• 32:52
  share
• 32:52
  with
• 32:52
  you
• 32:53
  or
• 32:53
  someone
• 32:53
  who
• 32:53
  shares
• 32:54
  with
• 32:54
  you
• 32:54
  to
• 32:55
  really
• 32:55
  value
• 32:55
  those,
• 32:56
  because
• 32:56
  that's.
• 32:57
  I
• 32:57
  think,
• 32:57
  to
• 32:57
  me,
• 32:58
  that's
• 32:58
  really
• 32:58
  what
• 32:58
  life
• 32:59
  is
• 32:59
  about.
• 33:00
  And
• 33:00
  so
• 33:02
  the
• 33:02
  idea
• 33:03
  of
• 33:03
  Billy
• 33:04
  being
• 33:04
  so
• 33:04
  focused
• 33:05
  on
• 33:06
  discovering
• 33:07
  this
• 33:07
  particular
• 33:08
  one
• 33:08
  animal
• 33:09
  and
• 33:09
  then
• 33:10
  trying
• 33:11
  to
• 33:11
  speak
• 33:11
  right
• 33:12
  to
• 33:12
  a
• 33:12
  Bigfoot
• 33:13
  and
• 33:13
  realizing
• 33:14
  that
• 33:14
  there's
• 33:15
  some
• 33:15
  type
• 33:15
  of
• 33:16
  relationship
• 33:17
  that
• 33:17
  was
• 33:17
  even
• 33:18
  forming
• 33:18
  there
• 33:18
  and
• 33:19
  that
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  realize,
• 33:20
  oh,
• 33:21
  I
• 33:21
  was
• 33:21
  trying
• 33:21
  to
• 33:21
  find
• 33:21
  this
• 33:22
  one
• 33:22
  animal
• 33:23
  in
• 33:23
  the
• 33:23
  forest
• 33:23
  that's
• 33:24
  super
• 33:24
  rare,
• 33:24
  but
• 33:24
  in
• 33:25
  fact,
• 33:26
  I
• 33:27
  just.
• 33:27
  My
• 33:27
  parents
• 33:27
  just
• 33:28
  Shared
• 33:28
  with
• 33:28
  me
• 33:28
  that
• 33:29
  there's
• 33:30
  this
• 33:30
  Bigfoot
• 33:31
  creature
• 33:31
  who's
• 33:31
  the
• 33:31
  most
• 33:31
  mythical,
• 33:32
  mystic
• 33:33
  creature
• 33:33
  in
• 33:34
  all
• 33:34
  the
• 33:34
  forests.
• 33:35
  Oh,
• 33:35
  I
• 33:35
  just
• 33:35
  spent
• 33:36
  an
• 33:36
  entire
• 33:36
  day
• 33:36
  with
• 33:37
  that
• 33:37
  creature.
• 33:38
  Like,
• 33:39
  that's
• 33:39
  what
• 33:39
  I
• 33:40
  loved
• 33:40
  about
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  story.
• 33:41
  Is
• 33:41
  it?
• 33:41
  Yeah.
• 33:42
  And
• 33:43
  as
• 33:43
  Kevin's
• 33:44
  talking
• 33:44
  about,
• 33:44
  that's
• 33:45
  his
• 33:45
  central
• 33:46
  teaching
• 33:47
  in
• 33:47
  such
• 33:47
  a
• 33:48
  fun,
• 33:48
  subtle
• 33:49
  way
• 33:49
  that
• 33:50
  you
• 33:50
  did
• 33:50
  it.
• 33:50
  And
• 33:51
  I
• 33:51
  love
• 33:51
  that.
• 33:51
  That's
• 33:52
  fantastic.
• 33:52
  And.
• 33:53
  And.
• 33:54
  And
• 33:54
  great
• 33:55
  approach.
• 33:55
  Really
• 33:56
  great
• 33:56
  approach.
• 33:57
  And
• 33:57
  it's
• 33:57
  interesting
• 33:58
  because
• 33:58
  I
• 33:59
  don't
• 33:59
  even
• 33:59
  know
• 33:59
  how
• 33:59
  to
• 33:59
  segue
• 34:00
  this
• 34:00
  in,
• 34:00
  but
• 34:01
  as
• 34:01
  a
• 34:01
  child,
• 34:02
  my
• 34:02
  parents
• 34:03
  and
• 34:03
  I
• 34:03
  live
• 34:03
  in
• 34:04
  Alberta
• 34:04
  and
• 34:05
  in
• 34:05
  Canada.
• 34:06
  And
• 34:06
  so
• 34:07
  I'm.
• 34:07
  We're
• 34:07
  on
• 34:07
  the
• 34:08
  east
• 34:08
  side
• 34:08
  of
• 34:08
  the
• 34:08
  Rocky
• 34:09
  Mountains,
• 34:09
  and
• 34:09
  then
• 34:09
  on
• 34:10
  the
• 34:10
  west
• 34:10
  side
• 34:10
  of
• 34:10
  the
• 34:11
  Rocky
• 34:11
  Mountains
• 34:11
  is
• 34:12
  a
• 34:12
  province
• 34:12
  called
• 34:13
  British
• 34:13
  Columbia.
• 34:14
  And
• 34:14
  in
• 34:14
  British
• 34:15
  Columbia,
• 34:15
  it's
• 34:16
  famous
• 34:16
  for
• 34:17
  the
• 34:17
  Sasquatch,
• 34:18
  or
• 34:18
  Bigfoot.
• 34:19
  And
• 34:20
  also,
• 34:20
  if
• 34:20
  you
• 34:20
  go
• 34:20
  into
• 34:21
  the
• 34:21
  Okanagan
• 34:22
  Valley,
• 34:23
  there's
• 34:24
  a
• 34:24
  lake
• 34:24
  called
• 34:24
  Lake
• 34:24
  Okanagan,
• 34:25
  and
• 34:25
  they
• 34:26
  have
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  Ogopogo,
• 34:27
  which
• 34:28
  is
• 34:28
  like
• 34:28
  Canada's
• 34:29
  Loch
• 34:29
  Ness
• 34:30
  Monster.
• 34:31
  These
• 34:31
  mythical
• 34:32
  things
• 34:32
  happen
• 34:33
  to
• 34:34
  us
• 34:34
  as
• 34:34
  children
• 34:34
  all
• 34:35
  the
• 34:35
  time.
• 34:36
  And
• 34:36
  then
• 34:36
  we're
• 34:36
  not
• 34:36
  sure
• 34:37
  is
• 34:37
  it
• 34:38
  real
• 34:38
  or
• 34:38
  not
• 34:39
  real.
• 34:39
  That's
• 34:40
  right.
• 34:40
  And
• 34:40
  you
• 34:41
  know
• 34:41
  what?
• 34:41
  Even,
• 34:42
  like
• 34:42
  in
• 34:42
  Harrison
• 34:43
  hot
• 34:43
  Springs
• 34:43
  in
• 34:43
  B.C.
• 34:44
  and
• 34:44
  our
• 34:45
  audience
• 34:45
  can't
• 34:45
  see
• 34:45
  this,
• 34:46
  but
• 34:46
  I'll
• 34:46
  show
• 34:46
  you.
• 34:47
  They
• 34:47
  have
• 34:48
  a.
• 34:48
  Oh,
• 34:48
  that's
• 34:48
  perfect.
• 34:49
  Yeah.
• 34:49
  Sasquatch
• 34:50
  museum.
• 34:51
  Yeah.
• 34:52
  And
• 34:52
  so
• 34:52
  a
• 34:52
  Sasquatch,
• 34:53
  like
• 34:53
  you
• 34:54
  had
• 34:54
  mentioned
• 34:54
  earlier,
• 34:54
  Kevin,
• 34:55
  goes
• 34:56
  through
• 34:57
  North
• 34:57
  America,
• 34:58
  the
• 34:58
  myth
• 34:58
  of
• 34:58
  Sasquatch.
• 34:59
  And.
• 35:00
  Oh,
• 35:00
  yeah,
• 35:00
  as
• 35:01
  a
• 35:01
  child,
• 35:01
  my
• 35:02
  parents
• 35:02
  would
• 35:02
  take
• 35:02
  us
• 35:03
  camping,
• 35:04
  just
• 35:04
  like
• 35:05
  you
• 35:05
  were
• 35:05
  talking
• 35:05
  about
• 35:05
  going
• 35:06
  camping.
• 35:07
  And
• 35:07
  we'd
• 35:07
  have
• 35:07
  the
• 35:07
  tent
• 35:08
  set
• 35:08
  up
• 35:08
  and
• 35:08
  the
• 35:09
  fire
• 35:09
  going
• 35:09
  and
• 35:10
  the
• 35:10
  stories
• 35:10
  around
• 35:11
  the
• 35:11
  campfire.
• 35:12
  And
• 35:12
  of
• 35:12
  course,
• 35:13
  when
• 35:13
  you're
• 35:13
  in
• 35:14
  bc,
• 35:14
  especially
• 35:15
  in
• 35:15
  the
• 35:15
  interior
• 35:16
  of
• 35:16
  bc,
• 35:17
  can't
• 35:17
  help
• 35:17
  but
• 35:18
  talk
• 35:18
  about
• 35:19
  the
• 35:19
  Sasquatch.
• 35:20
  Yeah,
• 35:22
  that's
• 35:22
  right.
• 35:22
  And
• 35:23
  those.
• 35:23
  How
• 35:24
  did
• 35:24
  those
• 35:24
  stories
• 35:24
  capture
• 35:25
  you
• 35:25
  as
• 35:25
  a
• 35:26
  child,
• 35:26
  Rick?
• 35:26
  How
• 35:26
  was
• 35:27
  that
• 35:27
  for
• 35:27
  you
• 35:27
  when
• 35:27
  you
• 35:28
  were
• 35:28
  hearing
• 35:28
  these
• 35:28
  things
• 35:30
  with
• 35:30
  Sasquatch?
• 35:31
  Because
• 35:32
  it
• 35:33
  was
• 35:33
  on
• 35:33
  land,
• 35:34
  when
• 35:34
  my
• 35:34
  brother
• 35:35
  and
• 35:35
  I
• 35:35
  would
• 35:35
  go
• 35:36
  as
• 35:36
  young
• 35:36
  boys,
• 35:37
  we
• 35:37
  would
• 35:37
  go
• 35:37
  out
• 35:37
  and
• 35:38
  venture
• 35:38
  in
• 35:38
  the
• 35:39
  forest.
• 35:39
  Our
• 35:40
  parents
• 35:40
  kept
• 35:41
  an
• 35:41
  eye
• 35:41
  on
• 35:41
  us.
• 35:41
  But
• 35:42
  young
• 35:42
  boys
• 35:42
  running
• 35:43
  out,
• 35:43
  and
• 35:44
  then
• 35:44
  if
• 35:44
  you
• 35:44
  heard
• 35:45
  cracking,
• 35:45
  someone
• 35:46
  walked
• 35:46
  on
• 35:46
  a
• 35:46
  log
• 35:47
  or
• 35:48
  something
• 35:48
  like
• 35:48
  that,
• 35:48
  and
• 35:48
  it
• 35:49
  made
• 35:49
  that
• 35:49
  noise.
• 35:50
  It
• 35:50
  got
• 35:51
  you
• 35:51
  thinking.
• 35:51
  Your
• 35:51
  imagination
• 35:52
  went.
• 35:53
  And
• 35:53
  you
• 35:54
  were
• 35:54
  thinking,
• 35:54
  oh,
• 35:55
  is
• 35:55
  Bigfoot
• 35:56
  just
• 35:57
  around
• 35:57
  the
• 35:57
  corner?
• 35:58
  Yeah,
• 35:58
  that's
• 35:58
  right.
• 35:59
  Yeah.
• 36:00
  And
• 36:01
  as
• 36:01
  for
• 36:01
  Ogopogo,
• 36:02
  we
• 36:02
  always
• 36:02
  thought
• 36:03
  about
• 36:03
  it
• 36:03
  because
• 36:04
  it
• 36:04
  was
• 36:04
  in
• 36:04
  the
• 36:04
  water.
• 36:05
  We
• 36:05
  thought
• 36:05
  when
• 36:06
  we
• 36:06
  went
• 36:06
  into
• 36:06
  the
• 36:06
  lake
• 36:07
  to
• 36:07
  swim,
• 36:08
  we're
• 36:08
  thinking,
• 36:09
  oh,
• 36:11
  there's.
• 36:11
  Yeah,
• 36:11
  there's
• 36:11
  Always
• 36:12
  some
• 36:12
  right
• 36:13
  there,
• 36:13
  right?
• 36:13
  Absolutely.
• 36:14
  And
• 36:15
  as
• 36:15
  a
• 36:15
  child
• 36:16
  your
• 36:16
  imagination
• 36:17
  is
• 36:17
  very
• 36:17
  fertile.
• 36:18
  So.
• 36:19
  Yeah,
• 36:20
  yeah.
• 36:21
  And
• 36:21
  that's
• 36:21
  I
• 36:21
  guess
• 36:21
  where
• 36:22
  Billy,
• 36:23
  I
• 36:23
  wanted
• 36:23
  him
• 36:24
  to
• 36:26
  be.
• 36:26
  There's
• 36:27
  this
• 36:27
  Brene
• 36:27
  Brown
• 36:28
  saying
• 36:28
  of
• 36:28
  turning
• 36:28
  worry
• 36:29
  into
• 36:29
  wonder.
• 36:30
  And
• 36:31
  that's
• 36:32
  where
• 36:32
  I
• 36:32
  wanted.
• 36:33
  I
• 36:34
  just
• 36:34
  wanted
• 36:34
  to
• 36:34
  start
• 36:35
  with
• 36:35
  wonder.
• 36:36
  I
• 36:36
  didn't
• 36:36
  want
• 36:37
  it
• 36:37
  to
• 36:37
  be,
• 36:38
  oh,
• 36:38
  what
• 36:38
  is
• 36:38
  this
• 36:40
  creature
• 36:41
  being
• 36:41
  like?
• 36:41
  Boy,
• 36:42
  it's
• 36:42
  big.
• 36:43
  And
• 36:43
  having
• 36:43
  Billy
• 36:44
  have
• 36:44
  any
• 36:44
  type
• 36:45
  of
• 36:46
  concern
• 36:47
  because
• 36:48
  I
• 36:49
  think
• 36:50
  modern
• 36:50
  day
• 36:51
  depictions
• 36:52
  of
• 36:53
  Bigfoot
• 36:53
  are
• 36:53
  starting
• 36:54
  to.
• 36:54
  In
• 36:54
  la
• 36:54
  TV
• 36:54
  shows
• 36:55
  are
• 36:55
  starting
• 36:55
  to
• 36:55
  turn.
• 36:56
  I
• 36:56
  think
• 36:57
  the
• 36:57
  topic.
• 36:57
  It's
• 36:57
  a
• 36:57
  little
• 36:58
  bit
• 36:58
  more
• 36:58
  of.
• 36:58
  A
• 37:00
  little
• 37:01
  bit
• 37:01
  more
• 37:01
  of
• 37:01
  a
• 37:01
  horror
• 37:02
  theme.
• 37:03
  And
• 37:04
  there's
• 37:04
  so
• 37:05
  many
• 37:05
  stories
• 37:05
  of
• 37:07
  these
• 37:07
  creatures
• 37:08
  actually
• 37:08
  don't
• 37:08
  want
• 37:08
  anything
• 37:09
  to
• 37:09
  do
• 37:09
  with
• 37:09
  people.
• 37:10
  And
• 37:10
  if
• 37:10
  they
• 37:10
  do
• 37:11
  want
• 37:11
  to
• 37:11
  just
• 37:11
  observe
• 37:12
  you,
• 37:12
  they're
• 37:12
  just
• 37:13
  like.
• 37:13
  Yeah,
• 37:13
  it's.
• 37:14
  Be
• 37:15
  honest
• 37:15
  with
• 37:15
  you.
• 37:16
  They're
• 37:16
  like
• 37:16
  Harry.
• 37:18
  Yeah,
• 37:18
  right.
• 37:18
  For
• 37:19
  us.
• 37:19
  You
• 37:19
  know
• 37:19
  what,
• 37:20
  even
• 37:20
  the
• 37:20
  picture
• 37:21
  that
• 37:21
  I
• 37:21
  showed
• 37:21
  you,
• 37:21
  Kevin,
• 37:22
  when
• 37:23
  you
• 37:23
  look
• 37:23
  at
• 37:23
  the
• 37:23
  face
• 37:24
  on
• 37:24
  the
• 37:24
  Sasquatch
• 37:25
  in
• 37:25
  Harrison
• 37:25
  Springs,
• 37:27
  it's
• 37:28
  pretty
• 37:28
  happy
• 37:28
  guy.
• 37:29
  That's
• 37:30
  right.
• 37:30
  No,
• 37:30
  and
• 37:30
  this
• 37:30
  is
• 37:31
  also
• 37:31
  where
• 37:32
  trying
• 37:32
  to
• 37:33
  also
• 37:33
  depict.
• 37:33
  And
• 37:34
  this
• 37:34
  is
• 37:34
  where
• 37:34
  you
• 37:34
  again
• 37:35
  have
• 37:35
  some
• 37:35
  fun
• 37:35
  with
• 37:36
  your
• 37:36
  characters
• 37:36
  in
• 37:36
  your
• 37:37
  books
• 37:37
  is
• 37:38
  I
• 37:38
  don't
• 37:39
  know
• 37:39
  truly
• 37:40
  what
• 37:40
  a
• 37:40
  Bigfoot
• 37:40
  or
• 37:41
  a
• 37:41
  Sasquatch
• 37:42
  creature
• 37:42
  would
• 37:43
  be
• 37:43
  thinking
• 37:43
  if
• 37:43
  it
• 37:43
  ever
• 37:44
  came
• 37:44
  upon
• 37:44
  a
• 37:45
  child.
• 37:45
  I
• 37:45
  have
• 37:45
  no
• 37:45
  clue.
• 37:46
  But
• 37:47
  I
• 37:47
  wanted
• 37:48
  to
• 37:48
  as
• 37:48
  like
• 37:49
  a
• 37:49
  Harry.
• 37:49
  And
• 37:49
  the
• 37:49
  Henderson's
• 37:50
  homage
• 37:50
  really
• 37:50
  is
• 37:50
  to
• 37:51
  basically
• 37:51
  say
• 37:52
  I
• 37:52
  want
• 37:53
  this
• 37:53
  Bigfoot
• 37:54
  to
• 37:54
  be
• 37:54
  obviously
• 37:55
  very
• 37:55
  jovial,
• 37:56
  almost
• 37:56
  juvenile
• 37:57
  itself
• 37:58
  and
• 37:59
  to
• 37:59
  relate
• 38:00
  to
• 38:01
  this
• 38:02
  child's
• 38:02
  wonder.
• 38:03
  Of
• 38:03
  all
• 38:03
  the
• 38:03
  things,
• 38:04
  because
• 38:04
  that's
• 38:05
  what
• 38:05
  they
• 38:05
  actually
• 38:05
  connected
• 38:06
  on
• 38:06
  was
• 38:06
  the
• 38:06
  fact
• 38:07
  that
• 38:08
  Bigfoot
• 38:08
  loves
• 38:09
  the
• 38:09
  woods
• 38:09
  just
• 38:09
  as
• 38:10
  much
• 38:10
  as
• 38:10
  Billy
• 38:10
  does
• 38:11
  and
• 38:11
  we
• 38:12
  really
• 38:12
  have
• 38:12
  to
• 38:12
  respect
• 38:12
  it
• 38:13
  and
• 38:13
  take
• 38:13
  care
• 38:13
  of
• 38:13
  it.
• 38:14
  Again,
• 38:14
  another
• 38:14
  life
• 38:15
  lesson.
• 38:16
  So
• 38:16
  that's
• 38:16
  where
• 38:16
  it
• 38:16
  was
• 38:17
  just
• 38:17
  wanting
• 38:17
  to
• 38:17
  make
• 38:17
  sure
• 38:17
  that
• 38:17
  yeah,
• 38:18
  I
• 38:18
  wanted
• 38:18
  that
• 38:19
  wonder
• 38:19
  and
• 38:19
  that
• 38:19
  excitement
• 38:20
  and
• 38:21
  to
• 38:21
  spark
• 38:22
  right
• 38:22
  away.
• 38:23
  And
• 38:23
  do
• 38:23
  you
• 38:23
  think
• 38:23
  you
• 38:24
  have
• 38:24
  another
• 38:25
  Billy
• 38:25
  story
• 38:26
  in
• 38:26
  you?
• 38:27
  A
• 38:27
  Billy
• 38:28
  Wonderment
• 38:28
  story.
• 38:30
  Funny
• 38:30
  enough,
• 38:31
  this
• 38:31
  is
• 38:31
  where
• 38:32
  is
• 38:32
  it
• 38:32
  real
• 38:32
  or
• 38:33
  not?
• 38:33
  I
• 38:33
  think
• 38:34
  takes.
• 38:35
  And
• 38:36
  maybe
• 38:36
  this
• 38:36
  is
• 38:36
  part
• 38:36
  of
• 38:36
  my
• 38:37
  all
• 38:37
  some
• 38:37
  like
• 38:37
  my
• 38:37
  author
• 38:38
  process
• 38:38
  is
• 38:40
  that
• 38:40
  was
• 38:40
  the
• 38:40
  children's
• 38:41
  side
• 38:41
  of
• 38:41
  Billy
• 38:41
  Finds
• 38:42
  Bigfoot.
• 38:42
  Now
• 38:43
  with
• 38:43
  this
• 38:43
  next
• 38:43
  book,
• 38:44
  I'm
• 38:44
  still
• 38:44
  borrowing
• 38:45
  pieces
• 38:46
  and
• 38:47
  you
• 38:47
  could
• 38:47
  almost
• 38:48
  see
• 38:49
  as
• 38:49
  if
• 38:49
  this
• 38:49
  was
• 38:51
  Billy
• 38:51
  growing
• 38:52
  up.
• 38:52
  You
• 38:53
  know,
• 38:53
  of
• 38:53
  course
• 38:53
  he's
• 38:53
  got
• 38:54
  a
• 38:54
  different
• 38:54
  name.
• 38:54
  His
• 38:55
  name
• 38:55
  is
• 38:55
  now
• 38:55
  Theo.
• 38:56
  People
• 38:56
  always
• 38:57
  talk
• 38:57
  about
• 38:57
  like
• 38:57
  movie
• 38:58
  universes
• 39:00
  and
• 39:00
  characters
• 39:01
  being
• 39:01
  the
• 39:01
  same
• 39:01
  character
• 39:02
  and
• 39:02
  growing
• 39:02
  up
• 39:03
  and
• 39:03
  things
• 39:03
  like
• 39:03
  that.
• 39:03
  So
• 39:03
  that's
• 39:04
  what
• 39:04
  I'm
• 39:04
  trying
• 39:04
  to
• 39:04
  do
• 39:04
  with
• 39:04
  this
• 39:05
  next
• 39:05
  story.
• 39:05
  But
• 39:06
  it
• 39:06
  would.
• 39:06
  Another
• 39:06
  children's
• 39:07
  book,
• 39:08
  perhaps.
• 39:09
  And
• 39:09
  maybe
• 39:10
  he
• 39:10
  has
• 39:10
  a
• 39:11
  little
• 39:11
  sister
• 39:11
  who
• 39:11
  comes
• 39:11
  along
• 39:12
  and
• 39:12
  he
• 39:13
  tries
• 39:13
  to
• 39:13
  show
• 39:13
  her
• 39:13
  the
• 39:13
  ropes
• 39:14
  and
• 39:15
  possibly.
• 39:16
  Talk
• 39:17
  to
• 39:17
  us
• 39:17
  about
• 39:17
  your
• 39:18
  writing
• 39:18
  process.
• 39:19
  Now
• 39:19
  that
• 39:19
  you're
• 39:19
  working
• 39:20
  on
• 39:20
  your
• 39:20
  second
• 39:20
  book,
• 39:21
  which
• 39:21
  is
• 39:21
  not
• 39:22
  a
• 39:22
  children's
• 39:23
  book,
• 39:24
  share
• 39:24
  some
• 39:24
  insights
• 39:25
  into
• 39:25
  what's
• 39:26
  changed
• 39:26
  for
• 39:26
  you
• 39:27
  from
• 39:27
  writing
• 39:27
  your
• 39:28
  first
• 39:28
  book.
• 39:28
  Now
• 39:29
  that
• 39:29
  you're
• 39:29
  into
• 39:30
  your
• 39:30
  second
• 39:30
  book,
• 39:30
  tell
• 39:31
  us
• 39:31
  about
• 39:31
  your
• 39:32
  whole
• 39:32
  writing
• 39:33
  process.
• 39:34
  I
• 39:35
  think
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  first
• 39:35
  book
• 39:36
  was
• 39:36
  just
• 39:36
  a
• 39:36
  test,
• 39:37
  more
• 39:38
  of
• 39:38
  a
• 39:38
  game
• 39:39
  to
• 39:39
  see
• 39:39
  if
• 39:39
  I
• 39:39
  could
• 39:40
  do
• 39:40
  it
• 39:41
  and
• 39:41
  see
• 39:41
  if
• 39:41
  anything
• 39:42
  could
• 39:42
  come
• 39:42
  of
• 39:42
  it.
• 39:42
  That
• 39:43
  was
• 39:43
  the
• 39:43
  first.
• 39:44
  I
• 39:45
  think
• 39:45
  that.
• 39:46
  Is
• 39:46
  that
• 39:46
  a
• 39:47
  process,
• 39:47
  Rick?
• 39:48
  Absolutely,
• 39:49
  that's
• 39:50
  part
• 39:50
  of
• 39:50
  it.
• 39:50
  Trial
• 39:51
  and
• 39:51
  I
• 39:52
  don't
• 39:52
  want
• 39:52
  to
• 39:52
  say
• 39:52
  trial
• 39:52
  and
• 39:53
  error
• 39:53
  because
• 39:53
  you
• 39:53
  did.
• 39:54
  Trial
• 39:54
  and
• 39:55
  completion.
• 39:56
  Sure.
• 39:56
  I'll
• 39:57
  put
• 39:57
  it
• 39:57
  this
• 39:57
  way.
• 39:58
  Even
• 39:58
  to
• 39:58
  that
• 39:58
  point,
• 39:59
  even
• 39:59
  if
• 39:59
  you.
• 40:00
  I
• 40:01
  don't
• 40:01
  know,
• 40:01
  what
• 40:01
  are
• 40:01
  your
• 40:01
  thoughts?
• 40:01
  Even
• 40:02
  if
• 40:02
  you
• 40:02
  don't
• 40:02
  complete,
• 40:03
  even
• 40:04
  if
• 40:04
  you're
• 40:04
  not
• 40:04
  getting
• 40:05
  published
• 40:05
  but
• 40:05
  you
• 40:06
  have
• 40:06
  it
• 40:06
  written,
• 40:07
  and
• 40:07
  even
• 40:07
  if
• 40:07
  it's
• 40:07
  sat
• 40:08
  for
• 40:08
  30
• 40:08
  years,
• 40:09
  I
• 40:09
  still
• 40:09
  think
• 40:10
  that's
• 40:10
  a
• 40:10
  completed
• 40:10
  work
• 40:11
  and
• 40:11
  even
• 40:12
  if
• 40:12
  it's
• 40:12
  never
• 40:13
  published
• 40:13
  and.
• 40:15
  But
• 40:15
  at
• 40:15
  least
• 40:15
  if
• 40:15
  you
• 40:15
  can
• 40:16
  share
• 40:16
  that
• 40:16
  with
• 40:16
  someone
• 40:17
  or
• 40:17
  your
• 40:18
  family
• 40:18
  or
• 40:18
  friends
• 40:19
  and
• 40:19
  say,
• 40:19
  hey,
• 40:19
  I
• 40:19
  did
• 40:20
  write
• 40:20
  that.
• 40:21
  I
• 40:21
  think
• 40:22
  that's
• 40:22
  still
• 40:22
  completed
• 40:22
  work.
• 40:23
  Right.
• 40:23
  No
• 40:23
  question.
• 40:24
  It's
• 40:24
  interesting
• 40:24
  you
• 40:25
  should
• 40:25
  say
• 40:25
  that,
• 40:25
  Kevin,
• 40:26
  because
• 40:27
  with
• 40:28
  my
• 40:28
  oldest
• 40:29
  granddaughter,
• 40:30
  we
• 40:30
  wrote
• 40:31
  our
• 40:31
  first
• 40:31
  book
• 40:32
  in
• 40:32
  our
• 40:33
  series,
• 40:33
  and
• 40:34
  then
• 40:34
  what
• 40:34
  happened
• 40:35
  was
• 40:35
  she
• 40:36
  said,
• 40:36
  oh,
• 40:37
  we've
• 40:37
  done
• 40:38
  so
• 40:38
  many
• 40:38
  things
• 40:38
  together.
• 40:39
  Can
• 40:39
  we
• 40:39
  write
• 40:40
  down
• 40:40
  the
• 40:40
  titles
• 40:41
  of
• 40:41
  other
• 40:42
  adventure
• 40:43
  books
• 40:43
  that
• 40:43
  will
• 40:44
  eventually
• 40:45
  publish?
• 40:45
  And
• 40:46
  that's
• 40:46
  great.
• 40:46
  And
• 40:46
  between
• 40:47
  her
• 40:47
  and
• 40:47
  her
• 40:48
  sister
• 40:48
  and
• 40:49
  three
• 40:49
  cousins,
• 40:50
  we
• 40:50
  actually
• 40:50
  have
• 40:50
  written
• 40:51
  38
• 40:52
  children's
• 40:52
  books
• 40:53
  in
• 40:53
  the
• 40:53
  series.
• 40:54
  Now
• 40:55
  we've
• 40:55
  only
• 40:55
  published
• 40:56
  two,
• 40:57
  because
• 40:57
  to
• 40:57
  your
• 40:58
  point,
• 40:58
  trying
• 40:59
  to
• 40:59
  bring
• 40:59
  a
• 41:00
  book
• 41:00
  to
• 41:00
  market
• 41:01
  can
• 41:01
  definitely
• 41:01
  be
• 41:02
  daunting.
• 41:03
  And
• 41:03
  it
• 41:03
  can
• 41:03
  also
• 41:03
  be,
• 41:04
  if
• 41:04
  you're
• 41:04
  an
• 41:05
  independently
• 41:06
  published
• 41:06
  book
• 41:07
  author
• 41:07
  like
• 41:07
  we
• 41:07
  are,
• 41:09
  can
• 41:09
  get
• 41:09
  expensive.
• 41:10
  But
• 41:10
  what
• 41:10
  we
• 41:11
  did
• 41:11
  is
• 41:12
  we
• 41:12
  took
• 41:13
  about
• 41:14
  half
• 41:14
  of
• 41:14
  those
• 41:15
  stories
• 41:15
  and
• 41:16
  my
• 41:16
  five
• 41:16
  grandchildren
• 41:17
  have
• 41:18
  narrated
• 41:18
  the
• 41:19
  stories.
• 41:20
  So
• 41:20
  we've.
• 41:20
  Oh,
• 41:20
  no
• 41:20
  kidding.
• 41:21
  Yeah.
• 41:21
  So
• 41:21
  we've
• 41:21
  turned
• 41:22
  them
• 41:22
  into
• 41:22
  audiobooks
• 41:23
  at
• 41:23
  this
• 41:24
  point.
• 41:25
  So
• 41:25
  your
• 41:26
  creative
• 41:27
  can.
• 41:28
  And
• 41:28
  then
• 41:28
  the
• 41:28
  nice
• 41:29
  thing
• 41:29
  about
• 41:29
  it,
• 41:29
  and
• 41:29
  I've
• 41:30
  captured
• 41:30
  their
• 41:30
  young
• 41:30
  voices.
• 41:31
  Now,
• 41:32
  as
• 41:32
  a
• 41:32
  parent,
• 41:33
  your
• 41:33
  children
• 41:33
  keep
• 41:34
  changing
• 41:34
  all
• 41:35
  the
• 41:35
  time.
• 41:35
  Yeah.
• 41:35
  You
• 41:35
  don't
• 41:36
  change,
• 41:36
  but
• 41:36
  they
• 41:36
  change.
• 41:37
  That's
• 41:37
  right.
• 41:39
  But
• 41:39
  see,
• 41:39
  that's
• 41:39
  a
• 41:39
  great.
• 41:40
  Again,
• 41:41
  even
• 41:41
  published
• 41:42
  or
• 41:42
  not,
• 41:43
  you're
• 41:43
  completing
• 41:45
  or
• 41:45
  you're
• 41:46
  accomplishing
• 41:46
  the
• 41:46
  something
• 41:47
  with
• 41:47
  your
• 41:47
  family,
• 41:48
  something
• 41:48
  with
• 41:48
  your
• 41:48
  grandkids,
• 41:49
  and
• 41:49
  you're
• 41:49
  creating
• 41:50
  a
• 41:50
  memory.
• 41:50
  And
• 41:50
  I
• 41:50
  think
• 41:50
  that's
• 41:51
  awesome.
• 41:51
  And
• 41:52
  in
• 41:52
  Today's
• 41:52
  digital
• 41:53
  world,
• 41:53
  you
• 41:53
  can.
• 41:54
  You
• 41:54
  can
• 41:55
  use
• 41:55
  one
• 41:55
  of
• 41:55
  those
• 41:56
  ancestry
• 41:57
  sites
• 41:57
  or
• 41:57
  whatever,
• 41:58
  and
• 41:58
  if
• 41:58
  you
• 41:58
  really
• 41:59
  wanted
• 41:59
  to,
• 41:59
  you
• 41:59
  could
• 42:00
  just
• 42:00
  put
• 42:00
  everything
• 42:01
  out
• 42:01
  into
• 42:01
  the
• 42:02
  digital
• 42:02
  world,
• 42:03
  and
• 42:03
  it's
• 42:04
  there
• 42:04
  forever.
• 42:04
  So
• 42:05
  that's
• 42:05
  right
• 42:05
  for
• 42:06
  other
• 42:06
  generations
• 42:07
  of
• 42:07
  your
• 42:07
  family
• 42:08
  that
• 42:08
  you'll
• 42:08
  never
• 42:09
  meet.
• 42:09
  Exactly.
• 42:10
  Yeah.
• 42:10
  No
• 42:11
  kidding.
• 42:12
  Your
• 42:12
  first
• 42:12
  book,
• 42:14
  a
• 42:14
  lot
• 42:14
  of
• 42:14
  it
• 42:14
  seemed
• 42:15
  to
• 42:15
  me
• 42:15
  Billy
• 42:16
  Finds
• 42:16
  Bigfoot
• 42:17
  was
• 42:17
  based
• 42:18
  on
• 42:19
  your
• 42:19
  experience
• 42:19
  as
• 42:20
  a
• 42:20
  child
• 42:20
  going
• 42:21
  camping
• 42:21
  and
• 42:22
  even
• 42:22
  as
• 42:22
  an
• 42:23
  adult
• 42:23
  going
• 42:23
  camping.
• 42:24
  And
• 42:25
  the
• 42:25
  idea
• 42:26
  flowed
• 42:27
  through
• 42:27
  there.
• 42:28
  And
• 42:28
  then
• 42:28
  you
• 42:28
  talked
• 42:29
  about
• 42:29
  your
• 42:29
  association
• 42:30
  with
• 42:30
  the
• 42:31
  Bigfoot
• 42:31
  association
• 42:32
  and
• 42:32
  all
• 42:33
  of
• 42:33
  that.
• 42:34
  Do
• 42:34
  you
• 42:34
  think
• 42:34
  you
• 42:34
  did
• 42:34
  a
• 42:35
  lot
• 42:35
  of
• 42:35
  research
• 42:36
  or
• 42:36
  did
• 42:36
  for
• 42:37
  your
• 42:37
  first
• 42:37
  book,
• 42:37
  or
• 42:38
  did
• 42:38
  that
• 42:38
  just
• 42:38
  come
• 42:39
  from
• 42:40
  osmosis,
• 42:41
  being
• 42:42
  around
• 42:42
  it
• 42:42
  or.
• 42:43
  Yeah,
• 42:43
  the
• 42:44
  topic
• 42:44
  itself
• 42:45
  in
• 42:46
  Bigfoot,
• 42:47
  all
• 42:48
  that.
• 42:48
  It's.
• 42:49
  I
• 42:50
  guess
• 42:50
  what
• 42:50
  I
• 42:50
  wanted
• 42:50
  to
• 42:51
  show
• 42:51
  was
• 42:52
  depict
• 42:53
  Bigfoot.
• 42:54
  I
• 42:54
  wanted
• 42:54
  to
• 42:54
  show
• 42:55
  certain
• 42:55
  musculature
• 42:57
  in
• 42:57
  its
• 42:57
  back.
• 42:58
  In
• 42:58
  its.
• 42:58
  In
• 42:59
  its.
• 42:59
  You
• 42:59
  know,
• 42:59
  there's
• 42:59
  a
• 43:00
  picture
• 43:00
  of
• 43:00
  his
• 43:00
  hands
• 43:00
  or
• 43:00
  its
• 43:01
  feet.
• 43:01
  And
• 43:03
  of
• 43:03
  course,
• 43:05
  there
• 43:05
  are
• 43:06
  some
• 43:07
  visualizations
• 43:08
  of
• 43:09
  a
• 43:09
  Bigfoot,
• 43:10
  such
• 43:10
  as
• 43:10
  the
• 43:11
  1967
• 43:12
  Roger
• 43:12
  Patterson
• 43:13
  Bob
• 43:14
  Giblin
• 43:14
  footage
• 43:15
  of
• 43:15
  the
• 43:15
  quintessential
• 43:17
  Patty
• 43:17
  is
• 43:18
  the
• 43:18
  Bigfoot's
• 43:19
  name
• 43:19
  walking
• 43:19
  through
• 43:20
  the
• 43:20
  black
• 43:20
  and
• 43:20
  white
• 43:20
  kind
• 43:21
  of
• 43:21
  grainy
• 43:21
  film
• 43:21
  in
• 43:21
  California.
• 43:22
  Technically,
• 43:23
  that
• 43:23
  was
• 43:23
  a
• 43:23
  female
• 43:24
  Sasquatch.
• 43:25
  And
• 43:25
  to
• 43:25
  try
• 43:26
  to
• 43:26
  depict
• 43:26
  a
• 43:26
  male
• 43:26
  Sasquatch,
• 43:28
  you're
• 43:29
  making
• 43:29
  it
• 43:29
  up
• 43:29
  because
• 43:29
  you
• 43:30
  don't
• 43:30
  know
• 43:30
  what
• 43:30
  this
• 43:31
  looks
• 43:31
  like.
• 43:31
  But
• 43:31
  it
• 43:32
  was
• 43:32
  a
• 43:32
  line
• 43:32
  between
• 43:35
  really
• 43:35
  showing,
• 43:37
  like,
• 43:37
  what
• 43:37
  a
• 43:37
  true
• 43:38
  Sasquatch
• 43:38
  could
• 43:38
  look
• 43:38
  like,
• 43:39
  but
• 43:40
  also
• 43:40
  making
• 43:40
  it
• 43:40
  a
• 43:41
  cartoon
• 43:41
  because
• 43:41
  it's
• 43:41
  a
• 43:41
  drawing.
• 43:42
  So
• 43:43
  trying
• 43:43
  to
• 43:43
  show
• 43:43
  some
• 43:44
  realism
• 43:44
  without
• 43:45
  going
• 43:45
  too
• 43:45
  heavy
• 43:46
  on
• 43:46
  the
• 43:46
  realism,
• 43:47
  because
• 43:47
  you
• 43:48
  still
• 43:48
  want
• 43:48
  to
• 43:48
  make
• 43:48
  it
• 43:48
  joyful
• 43:48
  and
• 43:49
  playful
• 43:49
  and
• 43:49
  soft
• 43:50
  edges
• 43:50
  and
• 43:50
  things
• 43:50
  like
• 43:51
  that.
• 43:51
  And
• 43:51
  your
• 43:51
  illustrations
• 43:53
  of
• 43:53
  Bigfoot,
• 43:54
  to
• 43:54
  me,
• 43:55
  the
• 43:55
  moment
• 43:56
  I
• 43:56
  saw
• 43:56
  it,
• 43:56
  if
• 43:57
  you
• 43:57
  hadn't
• 43:57
  put
• 43:57
  Bigfoot,
• 43:58
  I
• 43:58
  would
• 43:58
  have
• 43:58
  known
• 43:58
  it
• 43:59
  was
• 43:59
  a
• 43:59
  Bigfoot.
• 44:00
  There
• 44:00
  were
• 44:01
  the
• 44:02
  initial
• 44:02
  drawing,
• 44:02
  I
• 44:03
  didn't
• 44:03
  think
• 44:03
  that
• 44:03
  it
• 44:03
  looked
• 44:04
  like
• 44:04
  it
• 44:04
  was
• 44:04
  wearing
• 44:05
  a
• 44:05
  mask,
• 44:05
  but
• 44:05
  sometimes
• 44:06
  if
• 44:06
  you
• 44:06
  were
• 44:06
  to
• 44:06
  draw
• 44:06
  a
• 44:06
  Bigfoot,
• 44:08
  you
• 44:08
  could
• 44:08
  almost
• 44:08
  look
• 44:08
  like
• 44:09
  someone's
• 44:09
  wearing
• 44:09
  more
• 44:09
  of
• 44:09
  a
• 44:10
  ski
• 44:10
  mask
• 44:10
  than
• 44:10
  it
• 44:11
  is.
• 44:11
  Hair
• 44:11
  on
• 44:11
  its
• 44:12
  face
• 44:12
  with
• 44:12
  eye
• 44:12
  holes
• 44:13
  and
• 44:13
  a
• 44:13
  mouth
• 44:13
  like
• 44:14
  that
• 44:14
  was
• 44:14
  a
• 44:14
  fine
• 44:14
  line
• 44:15
  of
• 44:15
  trying
• 44:15
  to
• 44:15
  make
• 44:16
  Gideon
• 44:16
  look
• 44:16
  more
• 44:17
  friendly,
• 44:18
  not
• 44:18
  so
• 44:18
  much
• 44:19
  personal
• 44:19
  wearing
• 44:19
  a
• 44:20
  ski
• 44:20
  mask
• 44:20
  and.
• 44:21
  But,
• 44:21
  yeah,
• 44:21
  the
• 44:21
  idea,
• 44:22
  I
• 44:22
  think
• 44:24
  the
• 44:24
  nature
• 44:24
  side
• 44:25
  of
• 44:25
  things
• 44:25
  that
• 44:26
  obviously
• 44:26
  came
• 44:26
  from
• 44:26
  my
• 44:27
  experiences
• 44:28
  being
• 44:28
  out
• 44:28
  in
• 44:28
  the
• 44:28
  woods
• 44:28
  camping.
• 44:30
  But
• 44:30
  the
• 44:30
  storylines
• 44:31
  were.
• 44:32
  That
• 44:32
  was
• 44:32
  more
• 44:33
  personal
• 44:34
  and
• 44:34
  that
• 44:35
  was
• 44:35
  more
• 44:35
  reflective
• 44:36
  on
• 44:37
  what
• 44:38
  it
• 44:38
  is
• 44:38
  that
• 44:38
  I
• 44:38
  think
• 44:39
  are
• 44:39
  important
• 44:40
  to
• 44:40
  learn
• 44:40
  as
• 44:41
  a
• 44:41
  child,
• 44:41
  because
• 44:41
  perhaps,
• 44:42
  maybe
• 44:42
  I
• 44:42
  didn't,
• 44:42
  or
• 44:43
  perhaps
• 44:43
  I
• 44:43
  wish
• 44:43
  I
• 44:43
  would
• 44:44
  have
• 44:44
  learned
• 44:44
  that
• 44:44
  faster.
• 44:45
  So
• 44:46
  that's
• 44:46
  some
• 44:46
  of
• 44:46
  the
• 44:47
  more
• 44:47
  personal
• 44:47
  messages
• 44:48
  that
• 44:48
  I
• 44:48
  was
• 44:48
  trying
• 44:48
  to
• 44:48
  share.
• 44:50
  Success.
• 44:50
  I'm
• 44:50
  curious
• 44:51
  when
• 44:52
  you
• 44:52
  first
• 44:52
  started
• 44:53
  this
• 44:54
  children's
• 44:54
  book
• 44:55
  journey.
• 44:56
  And
• 44:57
  I
• 44:57
  know
• 44:57
  we
• 44:57
  talked
• 44:58
  a
• 44:58
  little
• 44:58
  bit
• 44:58
  about
• 44:59
  a
• 44:59
  book
• 44:59
  business
• 45:00
  plan,
• 45:00
  but
• 45:00
  I
• 45:01
  want
• 45:01
  you
• 45:01
  to
• 45:01
  take
• 45:01
  yourself
• 45:02
  back
• 45:02
  and
• 45:03
  I
• 45:03
  want
• 45:03
  to
• 45:03
  delve
• 45:04
  into
• 45:05
  the
• 45:05
  success
• 45:05
  of
• 45:06
  having
• 45:07
  what
• 45:08
  success
• 45:08
  looked
• 45:09
  like
• 45:09
  to
• 45:09
  you
• 45:09
  prior
• 45:10
  to
• 45:11
  publishing
• 45:11
  your
• 45:11
  book.
• 45:12
  What
• 45:12
  did
• 45:12
  you
• 45:12
  envision
• 45:13
  the
• 45:13
  success
• 45:14
  for
• 45:14
  your
• 45:14
  book?
• 45:15
  And
• 45:15
  then
• 45:15
  when
• 45:16
  you
• 45:16
  did
• 45:16
  finally
• 45:17
  publish
• 45:17
  your
• 45:17
  book,
• 45:18
  what
• 45:18
  was
• 45:18
  the
• 45:19
  difference
• 45:20
  in
• 45:20
  the
• 45:21
  success
• 45:21
  of
• 45:22
  the
• 45:22
  book?
• 45:22
  Yeah,
• 45:23
  great
• 45:23
  question.
• 45:23
  I
• 45:24
  think
• 45:24
  before
• 45:27
  the
• 45:27
  success
• 45:27
  was
• 45:27
  more
• 45:28
  personal
• 45:29
  and
• 45:29
  can
• 45:29
  I
• 45:30
  do
• 45:30
  it?
• 45:30
  A
• 45:30
  self
• 45:31
  test,
• 45:31
  like
• 45:31
  I
• 45:31
  keep
• 45:32
  saying,
• 45:32
  but
• 45:33
  can
• 45:33
  I
• 45:34
  do
• 45:34
  it?
• 45:35
  And
• 45:35
  then
• 45:37
  once
• 45:39
  the
• 45:39
  conversation
• 45:40
  with
• 45:40
  when
• 45:41
  publishing
• 45:41
  was
• 45:41
  started
• 45:42
  to
• 45:42
  happen,
• 45:42
  it
• 45:42
  was
• 45:42
  like,
• 45:43
  oh,
• 45:43
  now
• 45:43
  it's
• 45:43
  exciting.
• 45:44
  Now
• 45:44
  it's.
• 45:45
  Can
• 45:45
  this
• 45:46
  actually
• 45:46
  get
• 45:46
  published?
• 45:48
  Because
• 45:48
  there
• 45:48
  were
• 45:49
  some
• 45:50
  renditions
• 45:51
  that
• 45:51
  had
• 45:51
  to
• 45:52
  get.
• 45:52
  We
• 45:52
  had
• 45:52
  to
• 45:52
  do
• 45:52
  a
• 45:52
  little
• 45:52
  bit
• 45:53
  of
• 45:53
  different.
• 45:54
  Just
• 45:54
  renditions
• 45:54
  of
• 45:55
  the
• 45:55
  design
• 45:55
  a
• 45:55
  bit.
• 45:56
  But
• 45:56
  not
• 45:56
  taking
• 45:57
  that
• 45:57
  as
• 45:57
  a
• 45:57
  step
• 45:57
  back
• 45:58
  or
• 45:58
  not
• 45:58
  taking
• 45:59
  that
• 45:59
  as
• 45:59
  oh,
• 46:00
  well,
• 46:00
  now
• 46:00
  it's
• 46:00
  completely.
• 46:01
  Now
• 46:01
  it's
• 46:01
  not
• 46:01
  my
• 46:02
  product
• 46:02
  anymore.
• 46:03
  Having
• 46:04
  to
• 46:04
  shift
• 46:05
  my
• 46:05
  thinking
• 46:05
  on
• 46:06
  that
• 46:06
  was.
• 46:07
  I
• 46:08
  mean,
• 46:08
  I
• 46:08
  can't
• 46:08
  consider
• 46:09
  that
• 46:09
  a
• 46:09
  step
• 46:10
  back.
• 46:10
  But
• 46:10
  it
• 46:10
  was
• 46:11
  just
• 46:11
  a.
• 46:11
  It
• 46:11
  was
• 46:11
  a
• 46:11
  change,
• 46:12
  but
• 46:12
  it
• 46:12
  was
• 46:13
  a.
• 46:13
  Still
• 46:13
  a
• 46:13
  success.
• 46:13
  And
• 46:14
  then
• 46:14
  finally
• 46:15
  once
• 46:16
  it
• 46:16
  was,
• 46:16
  okay,
• 46:17
  we're
• 46:18
  going
• 46:18
  to
• 46:18
  work
• 46:18
  with
• 46:18
  you,
• 46:19
  we're
• 46:19
  going
• 46:19
  to
• 46:19
  sign
• 46:19
  you
• 46:20
  sign
• 46:20
  a
• 46:20
  contract.
• 46:20
  Okay,
• 46:21
  now
• 46:21
  that
• 46:21
  the
• 46:21
  wheels
• 46:22
  are
• 46:22
  really
• 46:22
  spinning.
• 46:22
  And
• 46:23
  I
• 46:23
  remember
• 46:24
  feeling
• 46:25
  so
• 46:26
  excited.
• 46:26
  But
• 46:27
  it
• 46:27
  took
• 46:27
  time
• 46:28
  to
• 46:30
  finally
• 46:30
  have
• 46:30
  a
• 46:31
  final
• 46:31
  product
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  make
• 46:32
  sure
• 46:32
  that
• 46:33
  a
• 46:33
  period
• 46:34
  was
• 46:34
  put
• 46:35
  on
• 46:35
  page
• 46:35
  13
• 46:36
  as
• 46:36
  example.
• 46:37
  So
• 46:37
  it's
• 46:37
  like
• 46:38
  just
• 46:38
  making
• 46:38
  sure
• 46:39
  every
• 46:39
  little
• 46:39
  bit
• 46:39
  of
• 46:40
  detail
• 46:40
  was
• 46:40
  there
• 46:41
  or
• 46:42
  oh,
• 46:42
  the
• 46:43
  way
• 46:43
  that
• 46:43
  the.
• 46:43
  This
• 46:44
  is
• 46:44
  printing,
• 46:44
  the
• 46:44
  leaf
• 46:45
  is
• 46:45
  almost
• 46:46
  like
• 46:46
  on
• 46:46
  Bigfoot's
• 46:47
  face.
• 46:47
  Like
• 46:48
  you
• 46:48
  gotta
• 46:48
  remove
• 46:48
  that
• 46:49
  after
• 46:49
  some
• 46:49
  of
• 46:49
  those
• 46:49
  changes.
• 46:50
  And
• 46:50
  that
• 46:50
  took
• 46:51
  several
• 46:51
  months.
• 46:51
  And
• 46:52
  I
• 46:52
  just
• 46:52
  remember
• 46:54
  feeling
• 46:54
  and
• 46:54
  just
• 46:55
  being
• 46:55
  very
• 46:55
  anxious
• 46:56
  of
• 46:56
  wanting
• 46:56
  this
• 46:57
  to
• 46:57
  come
• 46:57
  to
• 46:58
  fruition
• 46:58
  and
• 46:58
  finally
• 46:59
  have
• 46:59
  a
• 46:59
  printed
• 46:59
  product.
• 47:00
  Once
• 47:01
  the
• 47:01
  day
• 47:01
  finally
• 47:02
  came,
• 47:02
  it
• 47:02
  was
• 47:02
  like,
• 47:02
  man,
• 47:03
  it
• 47:03
  was
• 47:03
  so
• 47:03
  awesome.
• 47:04
  And
• 47:04
  I
• 47:04
  was
• 47:04
  able
• 47:04
  to
• 47:04
  actually
• 47:05
  we
• 47:05
  had
• 47:05
  a
• 47:05
  little
• 47:05
  family
• 47:06
  party
• 47:06
  because
• 47:08
  here's
• 47:08
  an
• 47:08
  idea
• 47:08
  that
• 47:09
  I
• 47:09
  had
• 47:10
  10
• 47:10
  years
• 47:10
  later,
• 47:11
  finally
• 47:12
  got
• 47:12
  it
• 47:12
  published.
• 47:14
  Have
• 47:14
  a
• 47:15
  physical
• 47:16
  product
• 47:16
  in
• 47:17
  my
• 47:17
  hands.
• 47:18
  On
• 47:18
  the
• 47:18
  back
• 47:18
  it
• 47:18
  says
• 47:19
  it's
• 47:19
  a
• 47:19
  publishing
• 47:20
  company,
• 47:21
  my
• 47:21
  name
• 47:21
  is
• 47:21
  on
• 47:21
  the
• 47:21
  front
• 47:22
  cover.
• 47:23
  It
• 47:23
  just
• 47:23
  was
• 47:23
  like
• 47:23
  a
• 47:23
  moment.
• 47:24
  And
• 47:24
  I
• 47:24
  think
• 47:24
  everyone
• 47:25
  who
• 47:25
  is
• 47:26
  either
• 47:27
  has
• 47:27
  authored
• 47:28
  will
• 47:29
  never
• 47:29
  forget
• 47:29
  that
• 47:30
  first
• 47:30
  time
• 47:30
  because
• 47:31
  that's
• 47:31
  so
• 47:31
  exciting.
• 47:32
  I'm
• 47:33
  gonna
• 47:33
  be
• 47:33
  interested
• 47:34
  to
• 47:34
  see
• 47:34
  if
• 47:34
  I
• 47:34
  feel
• 47:34
  that
• 47:34
  way
• 47:35
  the
• 47:35
  second
• 47:35
  time.
• 47:36
  But.
• 47:36
  But
• 47:37
  if
• 47:37
  you
• 47:37
  haven't
• 47:37
  gotten
• 47:38
  There
• 47:40
  it's
• 47:40
  okay
• 47:41
  because
• 47:41
  it
• 47:41
  does
• 47:41
  take
• 47:42
  time.
• 47:42
  And
• 47:42
  I
• 47:42
  think
• 47:43
  the
• 47:43
  more
• 47:43
  exciting
• 47:44
  thing
• 47:44
  is
• 47:45
  just
• 47:45
  knowing
• 47:45
  that
• 47:45
  it's
• 47:45
  something
• 47:46
  that
• 47:46
  you
• 47:46
  have
• 47:47
  at
• 47:47
  least
• 47:47
  started.
• 47:48
  I
• 47:49
  think
• 47:49
  that's
• 47:49
  the
• 47:49
  big
• 47:49
  important
• 47:50
  piece
• 47:50
  to
• 47:50
  this
• 47:50
  is
• 47:51
  you
• 47:51
  gotta
• 47:51
  start
• 47:52
  somewhere.
• 47:53
  Even
• 47:53
  if
• 47:53
  you're
• 47:54
  listening
• 47:54
  to
• 47:54
  these
• 47:54
  podcasts
• 47:55
  and
• 47:55
  into
• 47:55
  your
• 47:56
  podcast,
• 47:56
  Rick,
• 47:56
  and
• 47:57
  you
• 47:57
  don't
• 47:57
  know
• 47:57
  where
• 47:57
  to
• 47:58
  start,
• 47:58
  it's
• 47:58
  like
• 47:59
  just
• 48:00
  type
• 48:00
  your
• 48:01
  name,
• 48:01
  buy
• 48:02
  Kevlarge,
• 48:03
  start
• 48:04
  there
• 48:04
  and
• 48:05
  it'll
• 48:05
  start
• 48:05
  to
• 48:06
  create
• 48:06
  and
• 48:06
  flow.
• 48:07
  And
• 48:07
  I
• 48:08
  love
• 48:08
  your
• 48:08
  journey
• 48:09
  because
• 48:10
  one
• 48:10
  of
• 48:10
  the
• 48:10
  biggest
• 48:12
  things
• 48:13
  that
• 48:14
  stands
• 48:15
  in
• 48:15
  the
• 48:15
  way
• 48:15
  a
• 48:15
  lot
• 48:15
  of
• 48:16
  times
• 48:16
  is
• 48:16
  as
• 48:16
  a
• 48:17
  storyteller,
• 48:18
  you
• 48:19
  can
• 48:19
  get
• 48:19
  the
• 48:19
  words
• 48:20
  down
• 48:20
  on
• 48:20
  paper
• 48:22
  or
• 48:22
  into
• 48:23
  your
• 48:23
  computer
• 48:23
  or
• 48:24
  however
• 48:24
  you
• 48:25
  or
• 48:25
  some
• 48:26
  people.
• 48:26
  Your
• 48:26
  typewriter.
• 48:27
  Yeah,
• 48:28
  there's
• 48:28
  so
• 48:28
  many
• 48:28
  different
• 48:28
  ways
• 48:29
  at
• 48:29
  the
• 48:30
  end
• 48:30
  of
• 48:30
  the
• 48:30
  day,
• 48:30
  if
• 48:30
  you're
• 48:31
  not
• 48:31
  an
• 48:31
  illustrator
• 48:32
  and
• 48:33
  that
• 48:34
  can
• 48:34
  get
• 48:35
  in
• 48:35
  the
• 48:35
  way
• 48:35
  of
• 48:36
  how
• 48:36
  do
• 48:36
  you
• 48:36
  bring
• 48:37
  your
• 48:37
  story
• 48:38
  life.
• 48:38
  And
• 48:38
  that's
• 48:39
  the
• 48:39
  biggest
• 48:39
  thing.
• 48:40
  To
• 48:40
  that
• 48:41
  point
• 48:41
  though,
• 48:41
  Rick,
• 48:41
  I
• 48:41
  was,
• 48:42
  I
• 48:43
  think
• 48:43
  I'm
• 48:43
  a
• 48:43
  pretty
• 48:44
  good
• 48:44
  illustrator.
• 48:45
  I
• 48:45
  can
• 48:45
  draw
• 48:46
  something.
• 48:46
  But
• 48:46
  I
• 48:46
  was
• 48:47
  actually,
• 48:48
  I
• 48:48
  was
• 48:48
  talking
• 48:48
  to
• 48:48
  my,
• 48:49
  my
• 48:49
  father
• 48:49
  in
• 48:49
  law
• 48:50
  who
• 48:50
  was
• 48:50
  an
• 48:50
  illustrator
• 48:51
  wanted.
• 48:51
  Do
• 48:51
  you
• 48:52
  want
• 48:52
  to
• 48:52
  get
• 48:52
  into
• 48:52
  this
• 48:53
  project
• 48:53
  together?
• 48:54
  He
• 48:54
  used
• 48:54
  to
• 48:54
  be
• 48:54
  a
• 48:54
  graphic
• 48:55
  designer.
• 48:55
  And
• 48:55
  I
• 48:55
  was
• 48:55
  like,
• 48:56
  I
• 48:56
  think
• 48:56
  you
• 48:56
  could
• 48:56
  do
• 48:57
  amazing
• 48:57
  work
• 48:58
  talking
• 48:59
  to
• 48:59
  a
• 48:59
  friend.
• 49:01
  So
• 49:01
  if
• 49:02
  you
• 49:02
  are
• 49:02
  not.
• 49:02
  Or
• 49:03
  maybe
• 49:03
  it's
• 49:03
  the
• 49:03
  flip
• 49:04
  side,
• 49:04
  right,
• 49:04
  But
• 49:04
  I'll
• 49:04
  finish
• 49:05
  my
• 49:05
  first
• 49:05
  thought.
• 49:05
  So
• 49:05
  if
• 49:06
  you're
• 49:06
  not
• 49:06
  an
• 49:06
  illustrator,
• 49:07
  this
• 49:07
  allows
• 49:08
  you
• 49:08
  to
• 49:08
  go
• 49:08
  out
• 49:08
  there,
• 49:08
  go
• 49:09
  to
• 49:09
  a
• 49:09
  coffee
• 49:09
  shop,
• 49:10
  see
• 49:10
  if
• 49:10
  someone's
• 49:11
  doodling,
• 49:12
  see
• 49:12
  if
• 49:12
  anyone,
• 49:12
  go
• 49:13
  to
• 49:13
  an
• 49:13
  art
• 49:13
  show,
• 49:14
  talk
• 49:14
  to
• 49:14
  them
• 49:14
  and
• 49:14
  see
• 49:15
  if
• 49:15
  they
• 49:15
  want
• 49:15
  to
• 49:15
  maybe
• 49:16
  collaborate.
• 49:17
  But
• 49:17
  on
• 49:18
  the
• 49:18
  flip
• 49:18
  side,
• 49:18
  if
• 49:19
  you're
• 49:19
  not
• 49:19
  a
• 49:19
  writer,
• 49:21
  go
• 49:21
  to
• 49:21
  a
• 49:21
  coffee
• 49:22
  shop,
• 49:22
  see
• 49:22
  if
• 49:22
  someone's
• 49:22
  jotting
• 49:23
  something
• 49:23
  down
• 49:23
  or
• 49:24
  someone's
• 49:24
  really
• 49:24
  typing
• 49:25
  or
• 49:25
  if
• 49:25
  you
• 49:25
  know
• 49:25
  someone
• 49:25
  who
• 49:26
  can
• 49:26
  tell
• 49:26
  a
• 49:26
  great
• 49:26
  story
• 49:27
  but
• 49:27
  they've
• 49:28
  never
• 49:28
  maybe
• 49:28
  thought
• 49:28
  about
• 49:29
  writing,
• 49:29
  collaborate.
• 49:30
  And
• 49:31
  I've
• 49:31
  seen,
• 49:31
  I've
• 49:32
  had
• 49:32
  so
• 49:32
  many
• 49:33
  different
• 49:34
  stories
• 49:34
  told
• 49:34
  to
• 49:34
  me
• 49:35
  about
• 49:35
  illustrators.
• 49:36
  You
• 49:36
  can
• 49:36
  go
• 49:36
  online
• 49:37
  and
• 49:37
  just
• 49:37
  type
• 49:38
  in
• 49:38
  illustrators
• 49:39
  and
• 49:39
  it'll
• 49:39
  take
• 49:39
  you
• 49:39
  to
• 49:40
  a
• 49:40
  whole
• 49:40
  bunch
• 49:40
  of
• 49:40
  different
• 49:41
  groups.
• 49:41
  Absolutely.
• 49:42
  A
• 49:42
  lot
• 49:43
  of
• 49:43
  children's
• 49:44
  authors
• 49:44
  I've
• 49:45
  talked
• 49:45
  to
• 49:45
  have
• 49:45
  actually
• 49:46
  gone
• 49:46
  to
• 49:46
  the
• 49:46
  library
• 49:47
  or
• 49:47
  they've
• 49:47
  gone
• 49:48
  to
• 49:48
  bookstores
• 49:49
  and
• 49:49
  they've
• 49:49
  looked
• 49:50
  at
• 49:50
  children's
• 49:50
  books
• 49:51
  and
• 49:51
  looked
• 49:52
  at
• 49:52
  the
• 49:52
  illustrators
• 49:53
  names
• 49:53
  and
• 49:53
  then
• 49:54
  reached
• 49:54
  out
• 49:54
  that
• 49:54
  way.
• 49:55
  There's
• 49:55
  certainly
• 49:56
  a
• 49:56
  lot
• 49:56
  of
• 49:56
  different
• 49:56
  ways
• 49:57
  of
• 49:57
  going
• 49:57
  about
• 49:58
  it.
• 49:58
  The
• 49:58
  one
• 49:58
  thing
• 49:59
  I
• 49:59
  will
• 49:59
  say
• 50:00
  is
• 50:00
  because
• 50:01
  we
• 50:01
  didn't
• 50:01
  illustrate
• 50:02
  the
• 50:03
  one
• 50:03
  thing
• 50:03
  is
• 50:04
  that
• 50:04
  because
• 50:04
  all
• 50:04
  of
• 50:05
  our
• 50:05
  stories
• 50:06
  are
• 50:06
  based
• 50:06
  on
• 50:07
  a
• 50:07
  nugget
• 50:07
  of
• 50:08
  truth.
• 50:09
  A
• 50:09
  lot
• 50:09
  of
• 50:09
  times
• 50:09
  we
• 50:10
  had
• 50:10
  pictures
• 50:10
  because
• 50:11
  today
• 50:13
  all
• 50:13
  of
• 50:13
  your
• 50:13
  pictures
• 50:14
  are
• 50:14
  on
• 50:14
  your
• 50:15
  phone.
• 50:15
  And
• 50:15
  the
• 50:15
  nice
• 50:15
  thing
• 50:16
  about
• 50:16
  it
• 50:16
  is
• 50:16
  that's
• 50:17
  how
• 50:17
  it
• 50:17
  all
• 50:17
  started
• 50:17
  for
• 50:18
  myself
• 50:18
  and
• 50:18
  my
• 50:18
  oldest
• 50:19
  granddaughter
• 50:20
  is
• 50:20
  everything
• 50:21
  we
• 50:21
  had
• 50:21
  taken.
• 50:22
  Even
• 50:22
  if
• 50:23
  it
• 50:23
  was
• 50:23
  three
• 50:23
  or
• 50:23
  four
• 50:23
  pictures,
• 50:24
  it
• 50:24
  was
• 50:24
  enough
• 50:25
  to
• 50:25
  trigger
• 50:26
  a
• 50:26
  story
• 50:26
  of
• 50:27
  an
• 50:27
  adventure.
• 50:28
  Then
• 50:28
  it
• 50:28
  was
• 50:29
  just
• 50:29
  finding
• 50:29
  an
• 50:30
  illustrator
• 50:30
  that
• 50:31
  aligned
• 50:32
  with
• 50:33
  how
• 50:33
  we
• 50:33
  visualized
• 50:34
  it.
• 50:34
  That's
• 50:35
  right.
• 50:35
  Yeah.
• 50:36
  And
• 50:36
  sometimes
• 50:38
  even
• 50:38
  if
• 50:38
  the
• 50:38
  way
• 50:39
  that
• 50:39
  you've
• 50:39
  visualized
• 50:40
  it
• 50:40
  and
• 50:40
  if
• 50:40
  you
• 50:41
  start
• 50:41
  to
• 50:41
  work
• 50:41
  with
• 50:41
  a
• 50:41
  publisher
• 50:42
  or
• 50:42
  even
• 50:42
  if
• 50:42
  you're
• 50:43
  self
• 50:43
  publishing,
• 50:44
  that
• 50:45
  might
• 50:45
  get
• 50:45
  changed.
• 50:47
  Which
• 50:47
  was
• 50:47
  my
• 50:48
  story
• 50:48
  where
• 50:48
  it
• 50:48
  was
• 50:48
  like,
• 50:49
  yeah,
• 50:49
  we're
• 50:49
  gonna
• 50:49
  have
• 50:50
  to
• 50:50
  change
• 50:50
  it
• 50:50
  just
• 50:50
  a
• 50:50
  bit.
• 50:52
  When
• 50:52
  it's
• 50:52
  that
• 50:52
  main
• 50:53
  character
• 50:53
  and
• 50:53
  they
• 50:53
  have
• 50:54
  to
• 50:54
  change
• 50:54
  it,
• 50:55
  it's
• 50:55
  gonna
• 50:55
  hurt,
• 50:57
  but
• 50:57
  it's
• 50:57
  also
• 50:58
  ultimately
• 50:58
  you're
• 50:59
  gonna
• 50:59
  get
• 50:59
  an
• 50:59
  end
• 51:00
  product.
• 51:00
  And
• 51:01
  I
• 51:01
  will
• 51:01
  say
• 51:01
  this
• 51:02
  too.
• 51:02
  It
• 51:02
  was
• 51:03
  never
• 51:03
  about
• 51:03
  the
• 51:04
  success
• 51:04
  side.
• 51:04
  To
• 51:04
  get
• 51:05
  back
• 51:05
  to
• 51:05
  that
• 51:05
  question,
• 51:05
  Rick
• 51:06
  was
• 51:06
  like
• 51:07
  the
• 51:08
  money
• 51:08
  piece
• 51:08
  of
• 51:08
  it.
• 51:09
  That
• 51:10
  would
• 51:10
  have
• 51:10
  been
• 51:10
  nice
• 51:11
  if
• 51:11
  it
• 51:12
  was
• 51:12
  like,
• 51:12
  oh,
• 51:12
  I'm
• 51:12
  gonna
• 51:13
  get
• 51:13
  80%
• 51:14
  royalty,
• 51:14
  whatever
• 51:15
  it
• 51:15
  might
• 51:15
  be
• 51:15
  100%
• 51:16
  whatever.
• 51:16
  I,
• 51:17
  I
• 51:17
  hear
• 51:17
  that
• 51:17
  you
• 51:17
  obviously
• 51:18
  when
• 51:18
  you're
• 51:18
  self
• 51:18
  publishing
• 51:19
  like
• 51:19
  you,
• 51:19
  you
• 51:20
  capture
• 51:20
  your,
• 51:21
  you
• 51:21
  retain
• 51:21
  all
• 51:21
  that,
• 51:22
  but
• 51:23
  it's
• 51:23
  still
• 51:23
  the
• 51:24
  idea.
• 51:24
  At
• 51:24
  least
• 51:24
  it's
• 51:25
  something
• 51:25
  that's
• 51:26
  finalized
• 51:26
  and
• 51:26
  produced.
• 51:27
  And
• 51:27
  if
• 51:27
  you
• 51:28
  work
• 51:28
  with
• 51:28
  Hanger
• 51:28
  one
• 51:28
  who's
• 51:29
  I
• 51:29
  believe
• 51:29
  is.
• 51:30
  Has
• 51:30
  taken
• 51:30
  care
• 51:30
  of
• 51:31
  me
• 51:31
  in
• 51:32
  the
• 51:32
  sense
• 51:32
  of
• 51:32
  making
• 51:32
  sure
• 51:33
  that
• 51:33
  I'm
• 51:34
  on
• 51:34
  podcasts,
• 51:35
  my
• 51:35
  book
• 51:35
  is
• 51:36
  published,
• 51:37
  I'm
• 51:37
  now
• 51:37
  part
• 51:38
  of
• 51:38
  the
• 51:38
  table
• 51:38
  of
• 51:38
  authors
• 51:39
  that
• 51:39
  they
• 51:39
  produce.
• 51:39
  It's.
• 51:40
  That's
• 51:40
  a
• 51:40
  great
• 51:40
  feeling.
• 51:41
  And
• 51:42
  never
• 51:42
  go
• 51:43
  into
• 51:43
  it
• 51:43
  thinking
• 51:43
  that
• 51:43
  you're
• 51:44
  going
• 51:44
  to
• 51:45
  be
• 51:45
  able
• 51:45
  to
• 51:46
  quit
• 51:46
  your
• 51:46
  day
• 51:46
  job.
• 51:47
  So
• 51:47
  not
• 51:47
  for
• 51:47
  fame
• 51:48
  and
• 51:48
  fortune.
• 51:49
  No,
• 51:49
  not
• 51:50
  at
• 51:50
  all.
• 51:50
  I
• 51:51
  know
• 51:51
  you
• 51:51
  said
• 51:51
  you
• 51:51
  have
• 51:52
  a
• 51:52
  full
• 51:52
  time
• 51:52
  job
• 51:53
  and
• 51:53
  you
• 51:53
  have
• 51:53
  to
• 51:54
  keep
• 51:54
  an
• 51:54
  eye
• 51:54
  on
• 51:55
  that,
• 51:55
  but
• 51:55
  tell
• 51:56
  us
• 51:56
  about
• 51:56
  how
• 51:57
  you
• 51:57
  see
• 51:58
  now
• 51:58
  that
• 51:58
  you're
• 51:59
  a
• 51:59
  published
• 51:59
  children's
• 52:00
  book
• 52:00
  author,
• 52:01
  you're
• 52:01
  writing
• 52:01
  your
• 52:02
  second
• 52:02
  book.
• 52:03
  How
• 52:03
  do
• 52:03
  you
• 52:03
  see
• 52:06
  now
• 52:06
  the
• 52:07
  role
• 52:07
  of
• 52:07
  writing
• 52:07
  and
• 52:08
  illustrating
• 52:08
  in
• 52:09
  your
• 52:09
  life?
• 52:10
  Is
• 52:10
  it
• 52:10
  bigger
• 52:11
  illustrating?
• 52:12
  Maybe
• 52:12
  not
• 52:13
  so
• 52:13
  much.
• 52:14
  Although
• 52:15
  I
• 52:15
  illustrated
• 52:16
  the
• 52:16
  COVID
• 52:16
  of
• 52:16
  this
• 52:16
  book.
• 52:17
  The
• 52:17
  map
• 52:18
  again,
• 52:18
  that's
• 52:18
  in
• 52:18
  the
• 52:18
  second
• 52:19
  book.
• 52:19
  The
• 52:19
  COVID
• 52:19
  and
• 52:20
  the
• 52:20
  map
• 52:20
  that's
• 52:21
  in
• 52:21
  there.
• 52:21
  And.
• 52:22
  But
• 52:22
  now
• 52:22
  is
• 52:23
  more
• 52:23
  so
• 52:23
  focused
• 52:24
  on
• 52:24
  the
• 52:24
  storyline
• 52:25
  and
• 52:25
  can
• 52:25
  I
• 52:26
  tell
• 52:26
  a
• 52:26
  bigger
• 52:26
  story?
• 52:27
  Can
• 52:27
  I
• 52:27
  go
• 52:27
  into
• 52:27
  greater
• 52:28
  detail?
• 52:28
  Can
• 52:29
  have
• 52:30
  an
• 52:30
  arc,
• 52:31
  can
• 52:31
  I
• 52:31
  have
• 52:31
  mystery,
• 52:32
  can
• 52:32
  I
• 52:32
  have
• 52:32
  suspense?
• 52:34
  That
• 52:34
  became
• 52:34
  like
• 52:35
  the
• 52:35
  bit
• 52:35
  of
• 52:35
  a
• 52:36
  different
• 52:36
  game
• 52:38
  because
• 52:39
  it's
• 52:39
  not
• 52:39
  so
• 52:39
  much
• 52:40
  perhaps
• 52:40
  life
• 52:40
  lesson
• 52:41
  focus,
• 52:41
  which
• 52:42
  to
• 52:42
  me
• 52:42
  is
• 52:42
  perhaps
• 52:42
  a
• 52:42
  little
• 52:43
  bit
• 52:43
  easier
• 52:43
  to
• 52:43
  share
• 52:45
  as
• 52:45
  Opposed
• 52:45
  to,
• 52:46
  okay,
• 52:46
  now
• 52:46
  I
• 52:47
  have
• 52:47
  to
• 52:47
  create
• 52:47
  suspense
• 52:48
  and
• 52:49
  what
• 52:49
  is
• 52:49
  this
• 52:49
  character
• 52:50
  going
• 52:50
  to
• 52:50
  wear
• 52:50
  and
• 52:50
  things
• 52:51
  like
• 52:51
  that.
• 52:51
  That's
• 52:51
  just
• 52:51
  more
• 52:52
  detail
• 52:52
  that
• 52:54
  not
• 52:54
  knowing.
• 52:54
  Is
• 52:54
  it
• 52:54
  too
• 52:55
  much,
• 52:55
  too
• 52:55
  little?
• 52:55
  But
• 52:55
  yeah,
• 52:56
  I
• 52:56
  think
• 52:56
  as
• 52:56
  far
• 52:57
  as
• 52:57
  the
• 52:57
  illustrating
• 52:57
  or
• 52:58
  the
• 52:58
  I
• 52:58
  still
• 52:59
  love
• 52:59
  to
• 52:59
  draw
• 52:59
  and
• 52:59
  I
• 52:59
  still
• 53:00
  do
• 53:00
  more
• 53:00
  of
• 53:00
  that
• 53:01
  artistic
• 53:01
  side
• 53:02
  on
• 53:02
  the
• 53:02
  Etsy
• 53:02
  account.
• 53:03
  But
• 53:03
  now
• 53:04
  it's
• 53:04
  how
• 53:04
  creative
• 53:05
  can
• 53:05
  I
• 53:06
  become
• 53:06
  through
• 53:07
  just
• 53:08
  writing?
• 53:08
  And
• 53:10
  we'll
• 53:10
  see.
• 53:11
  Advice.
• 53:12
  Now
• 53:12
  you
• 53:13
  have
• 53:13
  given
• 53:13
  us
• 53:13
  some
• 53:14
  advice
• 53:14
  already,
• 53:15
  but
• 53:15
  I'm
• 53:16
  interested
• 53:17
  in
• 53:17
  advice
• 53:18
  for
• 53:18
  aspiring
• 53:19
  children's
• 53:20
  book
• 53:20
  authors.
• 53:21
  Yeah.
• 53:22
  What
• 53:23
  would
• 53:23
  you
• 53:23
  say
• 53:23
  to
• 53:23
  them?
• 53:24
  Would
• 53:24
  you
• 53:24
  say
• 53:25
  to
• 53:25
  get
• 53:25
  started?
• 53:26
  Is
• 53:26
  there
• 53:26
  anything
• 53:26
  else
• 53:27
  you'd
• 53:27
  like
• 53:27
  to
• 53:27
  share
• 53:27
  with
• 53:27
  aspiring
• 53:28
  children's
• 53:29
  book
• 53:29
  authors?
• 53:30
  You
• 53:31
  had
• 53:31
  a
• 53:31
  great
• 53:32
  statement
• 53:32
  before
• 53:32
  was
• 53:33
  have
• 53:33
  fun
• 53:33
  with
• 53:33
  it.
• 53:34
  This
• 53:34
  is
• 53:35
  your
• 53:36
  chance
• 53:36
  to
• 53:38
  remember
• 53:39
  what
• 53:39
  it
• 53:39
  was
• 53:39
  like
• 53:40
  to
• 53:40
  go
• 53:40
  to
• 53:40
  a
• 53:40
  library
• 53:41
  and
• 53:41
  to
• 53:41
  look
• 53:42
  at
• 53:42
  all
• 53:42
  the
• 53:42
  book
• 53:42
  covers
• 53:43
  and
• 53:44
  to
• 53:45
  surround
• 53:46
  yourself
• 53:46
  with
• 53:47
  all
• 53:47
  these
• 53:47
  different
• 53:47
  titles
• 53:47
  and
• 53:48
  pictures
• 53:48
  and
• 53:50
  to
• 53:51
  try
• 53:51
  to
• 53:51
  capture
• 53:51
  that.
• 53:52
  That's
• 53:53
  all
• 53:53
  the
• 53:53
  kid
• 53:53
  I
• 53:53
  think
• 53:54
  is
• 53:54
  really
• 53:54
  looking
• 53:54
  for
• 53:54
  is
• 53:55
  just
• 53:55
  to
• 53:55
  have
• 53:55
  fun
• 53:57
  or
• 53:57
  to
• 53:57
  learn
• 53:58
  something
• 53:58
  because
• 53:58
  they
• 53:58
  love
• 53:58
  learning,
• 53:59
  at
• 53:59
  least
• 53:59
  at
• 53:59
  that
• 54:00
  age.
• 54:00
  I
• 54:01
  think
• 54:01
  the
• 54:01
  easiest
• 54:02
  place
• 54:02
  to
• 54:02
  start
• 54:03
  is
• 54:04
  what's
• 54:04
  the
• 54:04
  lesson
• 54:05
  that
• 54:05
  you
• 54:05
  are
• 54:05
  wanting
• 54:06
  to
• 54:06
  share?
• 54:07
  If
• 54:07
  you
• 54:07
  could
• 54:07
  have
• 54:07
  a
• 54:08
  lesson
• 54:08
  as
• 54:08
  a
• 54:08
  kid
• 54:08
  again,
• 54:10
  pick
• 54:10
  one
• 54:10
  thing,
• 54:11
  maybe
• 54:12
  two
• 54:12
  or
• 54:12
  three
• 54:12
  if
• 54:13
  you
• 54:13
  can
• 54:13
  do
• 54:13
  that.
• 54:14
  But
• 54:14
  then
• 54:14
  I
• 54:15
  think
• 54:16
  start
• 54:16
  there.
• 54:16
  I
• 54:16
  think
• 54:17
  that
• 54:17
  that's
• 54:18
  perhaps
• 54:18
  the
• 54:18
  easiest
• 54:19
  place
• 54:19
  and
• 54:19
  then
• 54:19
  the
• 54:20
  stories
• 54:20
  will
• 54:20
  probably.
• 54:20
  Come
• 54:20
  from
• 54:21
  that
• 54:21
  encouragement
• 54:22
  for
• 54:22
  readers.
• 54:23
  Why
• 54:23
  should
• 54:24
  children's
• 54:24
  book
• 54:25
  readers
• 54:25
  purchase
• 54:26
  your
• 54:26
  book?
• 54:27
  Because
• 54:28
  it's
• 54:28
  amazing.
• 54:30
  It's
• 54:31
  purchase
• 54:32
  my
• 54:32
  book
• 54:33
  because
• 54:34
  there
• 54:34
  are
• 54:34
  again
• 54:35
  certain
• 54:35
  life
• 54:35
  lessons
• 54:36
  in
• 54:36
  there
• 54:36
  that
• 54:36
  are,
• 54:37
  I
• 54:37
  don't
• 54:37
  think
• 54:37
  are
• 54:38
  very
• 54:38
  often
• 54:39
  told
• 54:40
  in
• 54:40
  a
• 54:40
  children's
• 54:41
  book.
• 54:41
  The
• 54:42
  subject
• 54:42
  matter
• 54:43
  is
• 54:43
  different.
• 54:44
  If
• 54:45
  you
• 54:45
  live
• 54:45
  in
• 54:45
  the
• 54:45
  city,
• 54:45
  you
• 54:46
  might
• 54:46
  not
• 54:46
  hear
• 54:46
  the
• 54:47
  term
• 54:47
  Bigfoot
• 54:48
  or
• 54:48
  Sasquatch
• 54:48
  all
• 54:49
  that
• 54:49
  often.
• 54:50
  So
• 54:50
  that's
• 54:50
  expanding
• 54:51
  your
• 54:51
  kids
• 54:51
  horizons
• 54:52
  there.
• 54:52
  And
• 54:53
  even
• 54:53
  if
• 54:53
  you're
• 54:53
  not
• 54:55
  at
• 54:55
  all
• 54:55
  bought
• 54:56
  on
• 54:56
  the
• 54:56
  topic
• 54:56
  of
• 54:57
  a
• 54:57
  Bigfoot,
• 54:58
  that's
• 54:58
  okay.
• 54:59
  It's
• 54:59
  still
• 54:59
  the
• 55:00
  idea
• 55:00
  of
• 55:01
  exploring
• 55:02
  the
• 55:02
  forests
• 55:02
  and
• 55:03
  learning
• 55:03
  something
• 55:03
  new
• 55:04
  and
• 55:05
  showing
• 55:05
  appreciation
• 55:06
  for
• 55:06
  what's
• 55:07
  around
• 55:07
  you,
• 55:08
  for
• 55:08
  your
• 55:09
  family,
• 55:09
  for
• 55:09
  your
• 55:10
  loved
• 55:10
  ones,
• 55:10
  your
• 55:10
  friends
• 55:11
  and
• 55:11
  the
• 55:11
  friends
• 55:11
  that
• 55:11
  you
• 55:12
  might
• 55:12
  meet
• 55:12
  in
• 55:12
  the
• 55:12
  forest.
• 55:13
  So
• 55:13
  I
• 55:13
  think
• 55:13
  it's
• 55:14
  the
• 55:14
  ultimate
• 55:14
  value.
• 55:15
  And
• 55:15
  lessons
• 55:15
  are
• 55:16
  still
• 55:17
  kind
• 55:17
  hearted,
• 55:17
  good
• 55:17
  natured
• 55:18
  and
• 55:18
  showing
• 55:19
  respect.
• 55:19
  There's
• 55:20
  just
• 55:20
  all
• 55:20
  certain
• 55:21
  things
• 55:21
  that
• 55:21
  I
• 55:21
  would
• 55:21
  hope
• 55:22
  that
• 55:23
  a
• 55:23
  parent
• 55:23
  or
• 55:24
  any,
• 55:24
  a
• 55:24
  guardian
• 55:25
  or
• 55:25
  anyone
• 55:25
  who
• 55:25
  you
• 55:25
  have
• 55:25
  a
• 55:26
  child
• 55:26
  in
• 55:26
  your
• 55:26
  life
• 55:27
  that
• 55:27
  you'd
• 55:28
  feel
• 55:29
  special
• 55:29
  reading
• 55:30
  this
• 55:30
  book
• 55:30
  to
• 55:30
  them
• 55:30
  because
• 55:31
  it's
• 55:31
  coming
• 55:32
  from
• 55:32
  a
• 55:32
  good
• 55:32
  place.
• 55:33
  Thank
• 55:33
  you.
• 55:35
  Final
• 55:35
  thoughts.
• 55:36
  I
• 55:36
  know
• 55:36
  I
• 55:36
  ask
• 55:37
  a
• 55:37
  lot
• 55:37
  of
• 55:37
  questions,
• 55:38
  but
• 55:38
  is
• 55:38
  there
• 55:39
  something
• 55:39
  you
• 55:40
  are
• 55:40
  thinking?
• 55:40
  I'd
• 55:41
  like
• 55:41
  to
• 55:41
  share
• 55:41
  that
• 55:41
  with
• 55:42
  the
• 55:42
  audience
• 55:42
  or
• 55:43
  I
• 55:43
  wish
• 55:43
  Rick
• 55:44
  would
• 55:44
  ask
• 55:44
  me
• 55:44
  that
• 55:45
  question.
• 55:46
  This
• 55:46
  has
• 55:47
  been
• 55:47
  a
• 55:47
  fabulous
• 55:48
  time
• 55:48
  with
• 55:48
  you,
• 55:49
  Rick.
• 55:49
  I
• 55:49
  don't
• 55:49
  know
• 55:49
  if
• 55:49
  there's
• 55:50
  anything
• 55:50
  that
• 55:51
  this
• 55:51
  always
• 55:51
  happens
• 55:51
  where
• 55:52
  we'll
• 55:52
  hang
• 55:52
  up
• 55:53
  tonight
• 55:53
  as
• 55:53
  I'm
• 55:53
  laying
• 55:54
  in
• 55:54
  bed.
• 55:54
  It.
• 55:56
  But
• 55:56
  no,
• 55:56
  I
• 55:57
  think
• 55:58
  maybe
• 56:00
  any.
• 56:01
  I
• 56:01
  think
• 56:01
  perhaps
• 56:02
  the
• 56:03
  one
• 56:03
  thing
• 56:03
  I
• 56:03
  would
• 56:03
  say
• 56:04
  is
• 56:05
  do
• 56:05
  I.
• 56:07
  And
• 56:08
  I'm
• 56:08
  picking
• 56:08
  my
• 56:08
  words
• 56:08
  carefully,
• 56:10
  trying
• 56:11
  not
• 56:11
  to
• 56:11
  be
• 56:11
  discouraged
• 56:13
  if
• 56:14
  let's
• 56:14
  say
• 56:14
  in
• 56:14
  my
• 56:15
  situation,
• 56:15
  your
• 56:15
  publisher
• 56:16
  is
• 56:16
  saying
• 56:16
  we're
• 56:16
  going
• 56:17
  in
• 56:17
  a
• 56:17
  different
• 56:17
  direction
• 56:18
  or
• 56:18
  we're
• 56:18
  going
• 56:18
  to
• 56:18
  be
• 56:18
  focusing
• 56:19
  on
• 56:19
  other
• 56:19
  topics
• 56:20
  or
• 56:21
  other
• 56:21
  audiences,
• 56:22
  fiction
• 56:23
  versus
• 56:23
  non
• 56:23
  fiction.
• 56:25
  Don't,
• 56:26
  don't
• 56:26
  let
• 56:26
  that
• 56:27
  get
• 56:27
  in
• 56:27
  your
• 56:27
  way
• 56:28
  is
• 56:28
  what
• 56:28
  I
• 56:28
  would
• 56:28
  say.
• 56:29
  Things
• 56:29
  are
• 56:29
  going
• 56:29
  to
• 56:29
  happen.
• 56:30
  Things
• 56:30
  are
• 56:30
  going
• 56:30
  to
• 56:30
  change.
• 56:31
  It's
• 56:32
  super
• 56:32
  hard
• 56:32
  to
• 56:33
  reach
• 56:33
  out
• 56:33
  to
• 56:35
  an
• 56:35
  agent
• 56:36
  because
• 56:36
  all
• 56:37
  typically
• 56:37
  from
• 56:37
  what
• 56:37
  I'm
• 56:38
  now
• 56:38
  obviously
• 56:38
  rediscovering
• 56:39
  is
• 56:39
  that
• 56:40
  to
• 56:40
  work
• 56:41
  with
• 56:41
  a
• 56:41
  publisher,
• 56:41
  you
• 56:41
  need
• 56:41
  to
• 56:41
  work
• 56:42
  with
• 56:42
  an
• 56:42
  agent.
• 56:42
  To
• 56:42
  work
• 56:42
  with
• 56:42
  an
• 56:42
  agent,
• 56:43
  they
• 56:43
  need
• 56:43
  to.
• 56:43
  You
• 56:43
  need
• 56:43
  to
• 56:44
  submit
• 56:44
  your
• 56:44
  work
• 56:45
  and
• 56:45
  it's
• 56:46
  all
• 56:46
  different
• 56:46
  formats.
• 56:47
  It's
• 56:47
  literally
• 56:47
  like
• 56:48
  trying
• 56:48
  to
• 56:48
  find
• 56:49
  a
• 56:49
  job
• 56:50
  by
• 56:50
  sending
• 56:51
  out
• 56:51
  your
• 56:51
  resumes.
• 56:51
  You
• 56:52
  have
• 56:52
  to
• 56:52
  send
• 56:52
  out
• 56:52
  basically
• 56:53
  10
• 56:54
  resumes
• 56:54
  just
• 56:55
  to
• 56:55
  maybe
• 56:55
  get
• 56:55
  one
• 56:56
  response
• 56:56
  and
• 56:56
  that's
• 56:56
  most
• 56:57
  likely
• 56:57
  going
• 56:57
  to
• 56:57
  be
• 56:57
  a
• 56:57
  no.
• 56:58
  It's
• 56:58
  the
• 56:59
  same
• 56:59
  situation
• 57:00
  in
• 57:00
  the
• 57:00
  publishing,
• 57:01
  the
• 57:01
  author
• 57:02
  world,
• 57:02
  I
• 57:02
  think.
• 57:03
  But
• 57:03
  don't
• 57:04
  have
• 57:04
  to
• 57:04
  remind
• 57:05
  myself
• 57:05
  to
• 57:05
  not
• 57:06
  let
• 57:06
  that
• 57:07
  get
• 57:07
  me
• 57:07
  down
• 57:08
  and
• 57:08
  just
• 57:09
  give
• 57:09
  up
• 57:09
  on
• 57:09
  it.
• 57:09
  The
• 57:10
  positive
• 57:10
  thing
• 57:10
  is
• 57:11
  you
• 57:11
  turned
• 57:12
  your
• 57:12
  words
• 57:13
  and
• 57:13
  your
• 57:13
  illustrations
• 57:14
  into
• 57:15
  a
• 57:15
  finished,
• 57:16
  published
• 57:16
  children's
• 57:17
  book.
• 57:18
  Yeah.
• 57:18
  And
• 57:18
  the
• 57:19
  fact
• 57:19
  that
• 57:19
  I
• 57:19
  have
• 57:19
  that
• 57:19
  this
• 57:20
  one
• 57:20
  that
• 57:20
  I
• 57:20
  can
• 57:21
  say
• 57:21
  that
• 57:21
  was
• 57:21
  a
• 57:22
  success
• 57:22
  in
• 57:22
  however
• 57:23
  you
• 57:23
  wanted
• 57:23
  to
• 57:23
  define
• 57:23
  success.
• 57:24
  But
• 57:24
  that
• 57:24
  was
• 57:24
  great
• 57:25
  and
• 57:25
  like
• 57:26
  I
• 57:26
  couldn't
• 57:26
  be
• 57:26
  happier.
• 57:27
  Yeah.
• 57:27
  Terrific.
• 57:28
  Terrific.
• 57:28
  Kevin,
• 57:29
  thank
• 57:29
  you
• 57:29
  so
• 57:29
  much
• 57:30
  for
• 57:30
  being
• 57:30
  a
• 57:30
  guest
• 57:30
  on
• 57:31
  the
• 57:31
  Adventures
• 57:32
  in
• 57:32
  the
• 57:32
  Heart
• 57:32
  of
• 57:32
  Children's
• 57:33
  Book
• 57:33
  Authors
• 57:33
  podcast.
• 57:34
  Your
• 57:35
  generosity
• 57:35
  of
• 57:36
  time,
• 57:36
  your
• 57:36
  insights
• 57:37
  will
• 57:37
  significantly
• 57:38
  benefit
• 57:39
  aspiring
• 57:39
  children's
• 57:40
  book
• 57:40
  authors
• 57:41
  and
• 57:42
  readers.
• 57:43
  And
• 57:44
  we
• 57:44
  promise
• 57:45
  to
• 57:45
  provide
• 57:45
  our
• 57:46
  audience
• 57:46
  with
• 57:46
  the
• 57:47
  links
• 57:47
  to
• 57:47
  Kevin's
• 57:48
  social
• 57:49
  media
• 57:50
  and
• 57:50
  links
• 57:51
  to
• 57:51
  the
• 57:51
  website
• 57:52
  as
• 57:53
  book
• 57:54
  residing
• 57:54
  on
• 57:55
  Hangar
• 57:55
  One
• 57:55
  Publishing.
• 57:56
  And
• 57:56
  we'll
• 57:56
  also
• 57:56
  link
• 57:57
  to
• 57:57
  Amazon
• 57:58
  for
• 57:59
  the
• 57:59
  soft
• 57:59
  cover
• 58:00
  and
• 58:00
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• 58:00
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• 58:01
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• 58:01
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• 58:01
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• 58:14
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• 58:15
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• 58:16
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• 58:16
  Kevin
• 58:17
  and
• 58:17
  his
• 58:17
  children's
• 58:18
  book,
• 58:19
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• 58:19
  Finds
• 58:20
  Bigfoot.
• 58:21
  Thank
• 58:21
  you,
• 58:22
  Kevin.
• 58:22
  Thank
• 58:23
  you,
• 58:23
  Rick.