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ANDRE JOYZI Gives World Exclusive Interview About Taking Over From His Hero JOEY JORDISON In SINSAENUM · HEAVY Music Interviews

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning into Heavy today. Today we've got a
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Speaker 1: very special interview for you with Andre Joise, the man
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Speaker 1: who took up the sticks for Sinsanem after the tragic
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Speaker 1: loss of Joey Jordison in twenty twenty one. And so
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Speaker 1: a little known fact is that Andre and Joey were
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Speaker 1: close friends as well, with Andre having been Joey's drum
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Speaker 1: checks ince twenty eighteen. So it's a story that must
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Speaker 1: be both pleasurable and difficult for Andre to talk about.
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Speaker 1: So Heavy is honored and proud to broach his subject
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Speaker 1: today with you. So Andre, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're very welcome. It's a pleasure to speak to
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Speaker 2: you and do this with you for sure.
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Speaker 1: Very nice. So in June this year, you were revealed
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Speaker 1: as a drummer for Sinsanem, along with the announcement of
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Speaker 1: the band's new album in Devastation. So firstly, that must
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Speaker 1: have been a life change and experience for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it was because I spent the biggest part
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Speaker 2: of the last three years secretly working on it without
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Speaker 2: being able to tell anyone such a huge thing as well,
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Speaker 2: So it was well now it feels like it was
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Speaker 2: just today, but it was three years of emotional roller
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Speaker 2: coaster with stuff that was going on. It was definitely
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Speaker 2: a one to remember for life, the greatest experience of
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Speaker 2: my life.
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Speaker 1: But you and you, we mentioned you'd known for three years.
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Speaker 1: The official announcement was made in June, but three years
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Speaker 1: before that you knew. So what was the thought process
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Speaker 1: behind holding off selling the world and how hard was
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Speaker 1: it for you not to shout it from the roofshops
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Speaker 1: and say yes, I'm joining.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the hardest part for me I didn't
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Speaker 2: think too much about the announcement and all that stuff
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Speaker 2: my my.
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Speaker 3: Especially for the first two years.
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Speaker 2: It was just it was mostly about doing a good job,
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Speaker 2: making sure I got the job, making sure I didn't
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Speaker 2: let Fred down and that I was and I worked
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Speaker 2: a lot to get my drumming up to standard, tried
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Speaker 2: my best at least because obviously it's the biggest shoes
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Speaker 2: to fill. So I think the hardest part wasn't holding
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Speaker 2: off the announcement. It was really just making sure that
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Speaker 2: everything was done as best as I could, So that
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Speaker 2: was my priority. I wasn't really thinking so much about
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Speaker 2: the rest, at least first time.
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Speaker 1: And of course Joey Jordison was the original and only
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Speaker 1: drama ever forced insane m So I imagine that would
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Speaker 1: have also played a part in in the laying the announcement,
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Speaker 1: just making sure the timing was right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well that that was That was more with
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Speaker 2: Fred in the record label and all that stuff management.
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Speaker 3: But the announcing party was of course because there was
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Speaker 3: Joey and obviously the most famous.
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Speaker 2: Drummer of his generation, and you want to get you
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Speaker 2: want to do things right.
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Speaker 3: Also, again, it wasn't so much about oh, here's the
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Speaker 3: guy who's gonna replace, So it was more.
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Speaker 2: About like since saying them new music and getting all
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Speaker 2: of that done right, and you know, you want to
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Speaker 2: tell the world like essentially the band is going, the
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Speaker 2: band is alive. This is what Joey would have wanted.
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Speaker 2: Here's a new album and here's the new music. So
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Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure that the drummer situation was the
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Speaker 2: most important one there. You know, it was all about okay,
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Speaker 2: here's new music, blah. But there's no point you know,
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Speaker 2: just giving little bits of news every now and then.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't work like that with all the bands, especially
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Speaker 2: not with us because we're not exactly a TikTok band.
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Speaker 2: So for us, it was all about, Okay, the first
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Speaker 2: announcement that comes out is here's a new drummer, but
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Speaker 2: here's the new music and here's the new album.
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Speaker 3: Coming up too, So that was the priority for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it goes with outside made that Joey left
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Speaker 1: Massive boots a field, but it meant much more to
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Speaker 1: you personally than just taking over a spot in a band,
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Speaker 1: didn't it.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent? It was very emotional. Let's start because.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you know, Joey was my hero when I
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Speaker 2: was young. He was He changed my drumming when I
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Speaker 2: was just a kid in Portugal. I remember exactly where
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Speaker 2: I was when I when I first listened to Slipnot
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Speaker 2: and Boom.
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Speaker 3: How that changed my mind.
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Speaker 2: I thought, like, okay, superman is real and he plays
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Speaker 2: the drums for this band, you know like that.
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Speaker 3: I still remember that. So yeah, he was a huge
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Speaker 3: influence to me.
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Speaker 2: I think the first thing I couldn't believe was seven
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Speaker 2: or eight years ago when I when I got called
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Speaker 2: to work with Sinsane and when Fred asked me if
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Speaker 2: I wanted to do that, I was I was going
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Speaker 2: to be just a tour manager and the drum tech
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Speaker 2: for Joey, which obviously was a huge deal. But I
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Speaker 2: was so busy on all the tours that I had.
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Speaker 2: I was working with Dragon for Incredible Filth at the
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Speaker 2: time as well, so I was very busy. And when
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Speaker 2: the time came a few weeks before the tour, I
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Speaker 2: was like, holy fuck.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be Joey, you know, and I'm going
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Speaker 3: to work with him. It's incredible.
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Speaker 2: And then today before the tour, Fred called me and said,
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Speaker 2: by the way, that we have this song with percussions,
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Speaker 2: so you're going to play that, and I'm.
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Speaker 3: Like, holy fuck, I'm gonna play alongside Joey.
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Speaker 2: This is crazy, you know, just you know, out of
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Speaker 2: this world kind of stuff dreamland. And eventually I got
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Speaker 2: to know him, and obviously, if you know Joey, he
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Speaker 2: was you know, there was zero arrogance in him. He
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Speaker 2: was the nicest guy. You know, everyone says that about everyone,
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Speaker 2: but it's true. He really was the nicest guy and
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Speaker 2: the easiest fucking celebrity I've ever known to work with.
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Speaker 2: You know, just everything was always good, and very quickly
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Speaker 2: we went from colleagues to friends because that you know,
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Speaker 2: that's how he was.
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Speaker 3: He was that kind of guy. So yeah, and you know,
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Speaker 3: when he.
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Speaker 2: Passed away, I was just completely devastated for all the reasons.
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Speaker 2: And the last thing that crossed my mind is that
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Speaker 2: I would be.
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Speaker 3: Asked to do it.
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Speaker 2: I swear on my life, it didn't even cross my mind.
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Speaker 2: I always just thought, you know, if that happened, it
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Speaker 2: would have to be some huge drummer, celebrity guy to
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Speaker 2: take over. So and it wasn't immediately, by the way,
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Speaker 2: when he passed away. It was quite a long time
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Speaker 2: after that.
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Speaker 3: I was, you know, I was. It was during the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: I was actually going through my lowest because it was
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Speaker 2: during the pandemic and I tour for a living for
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Speaker 2: many years, so for me, it was like, okay, I
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Speaker 2: have nothing. And that's when, you know, I was practicing
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Speaker 2: some Lamb of God covers and and Fred saw that
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Speaker 2: he saw me play a fast song and he reached out,
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Speaker 2: and yeah, I just couldn't believe it. So, you know,
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Speaker 2: I still can't believe the whole thing. It's it's the
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Speaker 2: greatest honor of my life. You know, seeing my name
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Speaker 2: and his name and the same sentence still means the
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Speaker 2: world to me and forever, you know, it's I'm in
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Speaker 2: my forties now and I've definitely realized now that all
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Speaker 2: I ever wanted was to do something special and there's
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Speaker 2: nothing more special than this.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's incredible.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you sort of touch on this might
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Speaker 1: just before. But you first met Joey in late twenty
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Speaker 1: eighteen at the first day of pre production and thought,
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Speaker 1: do you remember how you felt like we were nervous?
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Speaker 1: Were you excited?
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Speaker 3: I remember as if it was yesterday. It was. It
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Speaker 3: was in France on first pre production day rehearsal.
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Speaker 2: I arrived, the band was already in the rehearsal space,
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Speaker 2: and when I got there, Fred came out, I had
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Speaker 2: my bags.
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Speaker 3: Fred came out and he looked at me.
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Speaker 2: You know, we never really talked too much about the
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Speaker 2: Joey factor, as in, oh my god, you're going to
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Speaker 2: work for joe It was, you know, it was just like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go onto my job knowing fully well,
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Speaker 2: like he knows that I'm a huge fan of Joey.
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Speaker 3: We just turn't speak much about that.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, it's a job, and that was the tour manager,
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Speaker 2: so I couldn't really let Joey know that I was
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Speaker 2: a huge fan so that that was the top priority.
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Speaker 2: Like I kept telling myself on the whole journey there,
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Speaker 2: like you cannot show that that you cannot you got
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Speaker 2: you're the tour manager. Joey cannot know that you're a
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Speaker 2: huge fan boy. So I got there. I'm outside the
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Speaker 2: room with my bags and Fred comes out and he
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Speaker 2: just looked at me and he said, he's over there,
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Speaker 2: and they're knowing fully well, but I'm nervous as fun.
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Speaker 3: My hero he's just over there like all right, here,
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Speaker 3: I go, hello, mate, how's it going? And then I
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Speaker 3: just walked in. I started speaking to Joey like I
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Speaker 3: didn't know who he was, and I pretending, you know,
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Speaker 3: he man, yeah, so how's it going.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's set up your drums then, and uh and
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Speaker 2: he was just really nice and easy to you know,
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Speaker 2: to do everything with.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I perfectly remember.
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Speaker 2: And we started setting up his drums straight away, just
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Speaker 2: him and I and just you know, talking like.
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Speaker 3: Two normal people.
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Speaker 2: And this process took two or three hours at some point,
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Speaker 2: so I was already pasted.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I've just met my hero part.
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Speaker 2: So I was on work mode and I you know,
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Speaker 2: the kids was already so I was like, Joey, do
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Speaker 2: you mind sitting there.
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Speaker 3: And trying it, trying trying your kid?
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Speaker 2: And he did, and I remember I was I was
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Speaker 2: looking somewhere else and Joey hit the snare, you know,
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Speaker 2: like his his snare, you know, brah, And immediately I
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Speaker 2: felt like, holy fuck, this is the guy I've been
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Speaker 2: listening to my whole life.
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Speaker 3: This is Joey Jordison. I can try to do.
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Speaker 2: The hit the snare, flamm anyone in the world you
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Speaker 2: can hit the snare, you will not sound like Joey.
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Speaker 3: This is his hands. Okay, So that moment, I.
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Speaker 2: Was like, fuck, this is the affable to slip dot
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Speaker 2: album since my hear you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that that was really really special, you know,
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Speaker 3: just unique. Again, I'll never not be grateful for this opportunity.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Joey's drumming was outstanding, as we all know. But
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Speaker 1: you were the best seed in the house night after night.
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Speaker 1: So what was so general about the way he play?
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Speaker 3: Do you think personality?
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Speaker 2: You know, I think that, which is part of what's
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Speaker 2: lacking on modern drummers. You know, everyone sounds the same.
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Speaker 2: Joey sounds like Joey. That's it, you know, he has
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Speaker 2: his style well. First of all, he revolutionized the world
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Speaker 2: of metal drumming. Sometimes people, you know, younger people may
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Speaker 2: not know that, but Joey was the drummer that everyone
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Speaker 2: in my age looked up to. He changed the world
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Speaker 2: of drumming. Like I was a new metal basic drummer
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Speaker 2: before I first heard Slipknot, and immediately the goalpost changed
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Speaker 2: by hearing Joey, you know, and the same as it
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Speaker 2: was to me, I'm sure there was two millions of
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Speaker 2: people around the world. In fact, on this insaneem tour.
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Speaker 2: I got a glimpse of what Joey's life was like,
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Speaker 2: and every day hundreds of fans just wanted to tell
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Speaker 2: him that they started playing drums because of him. So
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Speaker 2: you know, it's you cannot compare Joey to anyone else. Okay,
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Speaker 2: he was a revolutionary drummer, changed metal.
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Speaker 3: Drumming for goods.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was at that moment when I heard
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Speaker 2: him hit the snare the first time, the simplest thing, right,
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Speaker 2: as a fun that's Joey's orbison. Okay, So yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: that was I think what was more special about his
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Speaker 2: drumming nowadays is that he still sounded like himself.
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Speaker 3: You know that that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: But at the time, it was just he revolutionized metal
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Speaker 2: by incorporating loads of different styles and doing things that
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Speaker 2: hadn't been done.
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Speaker 3: Until he came out, you know.
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Speaker 2: And I got to know through through our tour that
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Speaker 2: he was a marching band drummer and this is where
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Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of his ideas came from.
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Speaker 3: And you can tell him slip note, Yeah for sure. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I had the pleasure of speaking with Joey
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Speaker 1: watched myself. Then if he was the second or third
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Speaker 1: interview I ever did, and to this day, I would
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Speaker 1: have done down insane and to this day he's still
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Speaker 1: the most eloquent, well spoken, nicest guys over interviewed. So
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Speaker 1: no one would have been a pleasure. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Man, it's just just like talking to you. You know,
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Speaker 2: there was nothing there was He never let anything out.
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Speaker 2: It was like, hey man, I'm a big deal. No,
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Speaker 2: it was like talking to your friends, you know. It
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Speaker 2: was Bob, It.
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Speaker 3: Was it was just I don't know. His parents did
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Speaker 3: a great job at raising.
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Speaker 2: Him because he was he was literally a super cool guy,
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Speaker 2: you know, someone who deserved all the success that he
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Speaker 2: had and all the good things that came his way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell us a bit more about Joey the
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Speaker 1: person rather than Jerry the musician, because you would have
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Speaker 1: been in a unique position to know him like a
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Speaker 1: few others would have.
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Speaker 3: Well, I guess I met him.
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Speaker 2: He was already he had already gone through a lot,
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Speaker 2: you know, by the time I met him, he had
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Speaker 2: had his years and slip Not and being on top
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Speaker 2: of the world, and he had already left slip Not
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Speaker 2: and done a few other things, and he was in
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Speaker 2: a different place than when we met. But essentially he
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Speaker 2: was the most positive person you could you could meet,
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Speaker 2: you know, and not just a positive vibe. Always it
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Speaker 2: was all about love and stuff and a really friendly person.
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Speaker 2: He knew that a small gesture from him meant the
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Speaker 2: world to me or to any of his fans, and
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Speaker 2: so he did it all the time.
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Speaker 3: Okay, he really always.
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Speaker 2: I think it was the first thing on his mind,
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Speaker 2: like making sure that if if he could do something
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Speaker 2: to make someone's day, he would.
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Speaker 3: A really, really, really good person. And then it was
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Speaker 3: incredibly passionate about music.
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Speaker 2: You want to get Joey talking, you talk about Marvin
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Speaker 2: Angel or whatever.
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Speaker 3: You know, weing up a name of a band. Then
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Speaker 3: there you go.
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Speaker 2: Properly just a music fan, a fan boy, and then
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Speaker 2: as a person again, funny guy, sense of humor culture,
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Speaker 2: especially musically speaking, is incredible, his musical knowledge. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's a really positive person, really easy to work with,
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Speaker 2: a lovely guy with a great heart. And it's a
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Speaker 2: very sad loss.
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Speaker 1: And you worked with Joey right up until his last
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Speaker 1: gig was Inside. I'm right, how long before that was
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Speaker 1: he passed? And what are your lasting memories of that
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Speaker 1: part or show you worked with him?
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Speaker 3: Oh, I can't talk about that.
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Speaker 2: I think I do have a memory some strong memories
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Speaker 2: from that last show, our goodbye is It was very
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Speaker 2: it was all very emotional, but I don't think I
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Speaker 2: should talk about it too much, so I'll leave it
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Speaker 2: at that.
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Speaker 3: That is the last memory I do remember.
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Speaker 2: Perfectly well, the last show, and I remember how we
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Speaker 2: said goodbye.
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Speaker 3: Let's just say that was a.
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Speaker 2: Hugging and crying at the time, and there was a
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Speaker 2: lot going on behind the scenes.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was sad.
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Speaker 2: But we stayed in touch after that, so checking up
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Speaker 2: on him, making sure he was good.
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Speaker 1: So with you now in sinsay and I'm like, how
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Speaker 1: much of Joey is drumming do you see in yourself,
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Speaker 1: like have you taken a bit of that style on
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Speaker 1: with them?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a that's not a very simple question because
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Speaker 2: on one hand, if Joey hadn't existed as a drummer
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Speaker 2: in Slip Now, I wouldn't be the drummer than I
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Speaker 2: am today.
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Speaker 3: So he had a direct influence on my drumming when
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Speaker 3: I was younger.
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Speaker 2: So when I was eighteen nineteen, you know, and throughout
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Speaker 2: the period that he was in Slipnot that my life
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Speaker 2: was essentially waiting for the next Slipnote album so I
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Speaker 2: could learn more.
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Speaker 3: So I didn't go to music school. My music school
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Speaker 3: was Slipnot.
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Speaker 2: And other bands like that, you know, so the new
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Speaker 2: album would be who a new book for me to learn.
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Speaker 2: So overall, in general, I think Joey had a huge
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Speaker 2: influence on my drumming what he did, But in regards
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Speaker 2: to Insaneo, I think not as much because when this
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Speaker 2: whole thing came about, like you know, it was I
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Speaker 2: don't know if we're going to talk about the process,
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Speaker 2: but it was.
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Speaker 3: It was very complicated.
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Speaker 2: But at some point Fred had to tell me just
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Speaker 2: listen to the music. And play drums to the music
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Speaker 2: and stop thinking stressing out about who you're taking over from,
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Speaker 2: you know, because it wasn't helping at some point, so
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Speaker 2: you know, it was just a lot of pressure. But
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Speaker 2: Fred said the right thing is just you know, ignore that,
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Speaker 2: listen to the songs and play with the song's need.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, that was the best thing Fred did. It
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Speaker 3: really helped me out. And once he said that, I
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Speaker 3: was more relaxed.
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Speaker 2: I had to remove the Joey factor in terms of that,
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Speaker 2: and that a part as a part of that process.
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Speaker 2: The song writing, well thes were written by Fred, but
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Speaker 2: he came to Portugal so we could work on the parts.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, I was very concerned for the first.
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Speaker 2: Few months of like, my god, Joey, people are going
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Speaker 2: to be comparing me to him and this is you know, uncomparable,
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Speaker 2: so you don't you know, I dreaded those comparisons because
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Speaker 2: because the internet is a horrible place. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but no, at the end it all worked out well.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was very important that that friend said,
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Speaker 2: forget that, listen to the songs as if they're just
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Speaker 2: you know, our songs with you on drums, just do that,
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Speaker 2: focus on that and that was a huge help. After that,
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Speaker 2: I did manage to focus and become more productive with
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Speaker 2: the whole thing and tracking the album and all.
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Speaker 1: You touched on this a little bit before, mate, But
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Speaker 1: given the fact that everything we've spoken about, the fact
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Speaker 1: that why good friends, you've looked out to Joey, everything,
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Speaker 1: all that like was a decision to join us and
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Speaker 1: sign an easy one you and what sort of fact
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Speaker 1: is did you have to consider before signing yes or no?
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Speaker 2: To me, there was no decision to be made, you know,
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Speaker 2: the second Fred asked that for the second friend, I
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Speaker 2: got a message from Fred. He all he said was like,
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Speaker 2: I wonder what's insane and would sound like?
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Speaker 3: Would you on drums? And so?
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Speaker 2: And it was very complicated because the band wasn't auditioning
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Speaker 2: other drummers. It was just either I can do it
18:32
Speaker 2: or I can't, and that's worse. I would rather, you know,
18:35
Speaker 2: I think you'd rather Yeah, you'd rather lose to someone
18:39
Speaker 2: who's a better drummer. Then then I have a chance
18:42
Speaker 2: that's all yours. And then you suck it up so
18:45
Speaker 2: that I think there's a lot more pressure. There's a
18:46
Speaker 2: lot more pressure on that, you know, And and yeah,
18:51
Speaker 2: so for me, it wasn't there was no decision to
18:53
Speaker 2: be made. I got the message from Fred and and
18:58
Speaker 2: at the time I was like, okay, well you either
19:01
Speaker 2: you can either, I said to myself, you either accomplish
19:04
Speaker 2: this or you give up and you're a piece of shit, You're.
19:06
Speaker 3: Useless drummer, you know.
19:08
Speaker 2: So that's the standard I put You're either you're either
19:10
Speaker 2: a ship drummer or you got this and you've put
19:12
Speaker 2: everything into that.
19:15
Speaker 3: So that's what I did.
19:16
Speaker 2: And so at the time I immediately changed my life
19:20
Speaker 2: around this. So whatever I was doing, I have helped
19:24
Speaker 2: from my family because as I said, it was during
19:26
Speaker 2: the pandemic and I and it was a very rough
19:29
Speaker 2: time for me, the worst.
19:30
Speaker 3: I have lost everything.
19:32
Speaker 2: So my family helped me out, and immediately I changed
19:35
Speaker 2: my daily schedule to whatever I was doing. That's all over.
19:40
Speaker 2: Now I do six hours a day of drumming my
19:42
Speaker 2: fucking ass of trying to get faster and trying to
19:45
Speaker 2: be worthy.
19:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, a worthy drummer for in insane.
19:51
Speaker 2: So yeah, there was no decision to be made. That
19:53
Speaker 2: was only a goal to accomplish.
19:56
Speaker 1: Do you remember the point where you actually sat back
19:58
Speaker 1: and you went think, I've got this. I reckon, I reckon,
20:02
Speaker 1: I can do it.
20:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, I do. I started crying. Yeah, man,
20:09
Speaker 3: it was.
20:11
Speaker 2: The whole thing was such a journey, you know, it
20:14
Speaker 2: was at the first few weeks because this was a process. Yeah,
20:19
Speaker 2: so when I got the first contact from.
20:21
Speaker 3: Fred, I had a few weeks not to be.
20:26
Speaker 2: The perfect drama for insanem but to show that I
20:29
Speaker 2: could okay.
20:30
Speaker 3: So this was the first thing that Fred asked me.
20:32
Speaker 2: So those first few weeks it was a nightmare, just
20:36
Speaker 2: you know, absolute stress. Like as I said before, I
20:39
Speaker 2: put the bar very high for myself, either you can
20:42
Speaker 2: do this or you quit.
20:44
Speaker 3: So all the.
20:45
Speaker 2: Pressure of all the work I've done in my life
20:47
Speaker 2: came down to this one moment and this one thing.
20:52
Speaker 3: So yeah, the pressure was very high and.
20:57
Speaker 2: So and I didn't get a final yes from from
20:59
Speaker 2: Fred until we played together, which was about six months after.
21:03
Speaker 2: So this was six months of extreme anxiety and emotions. Yeah,
21:07
Speaker 2: of okay, but can we do this? Can I do that?
21:09
Speaker 3: And then again within three four months in I.
21:13
Speaker 2: Was just hitting the rubber pads, looking at a white
21:16
Speaker 2: wall for hours and hours on end to see if
21:18
Speaker 2: I could blast. And you know, for the first part.
21:25
Speaker 2: The jolly factor was a huge motivating factor, of course,
21:29
Speaker 2: but as the time came closer that I was going
21:32
Speaker 2: to jam with Fred, then that became the crippling factor
21:36
Speaker 2: as well. But as I said before, Fred told me
21:40
Speaker 2: just don't worry about that, focused on the music and
21:43
Speaker 2: uh and yeah. So when when Fred when we when
21:47
Speaker 2: I played with Fred and he, you know, we went
21:51
Speaker 2: to a cafe and he said, all right, man, welcome
21:56
Speaker 2: to insanem And I think I've reacted badly that time
22:00
Speaker 2: because I couldn't believe it. So I was just like, Okay,
22:03
Speaker 2: cool man, cool, that was it. But when I got home,
22:07
Speaker 2: I just started crying.
22:09
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it was everything I went through my life.
22:14
Speaker 2: My life has been a lot of ups and downs,
22:16
Speaker 2: just like everyone's, I guess. But when I was twenty
22:19
Speaker 2: twenty three years old, I decided I was going to
22:21
Speaker 2: do this live music thing, and there was no plan
22:24
Speaker 2: B and it was always about drumming. And when Fred
22:28
Speaker 2: said that, I think I just remember a lot of
22:32
Speaker 2: the good and a lot of the bad that I
22:34
Speaker 2: went through to get to that point, and I just
22:36
Speaker 2: couldn't believe that I was hearing, yeah, that I was
22:40
Speaker 2: going to play with Fred, because I've worked with Fred
22:44
Speaker 2: for him a long time in Dragon Force as well,
22:47
Speaker 2: and we always got on really well musically as specially
22:51
Speaker 2: as friends, but even musically it's like everyone else like
22:53
Speaker 2: power metal. Fred and I were into all sorts of
22:57
Speaker 2: metal and those all sorts of music. We both love
22:59
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, so we had a lot a lot in
23:01
Speaker 2: common musically, and there was something I always wanted was
23:05
Speaker 2: to play with Fred, or more so, to be good
23:10
Speaker 2: enough to play with Fred, because he is a perfect musician.
23:14
Speaker 2: Whatever is wrong, it's you, it's not him, you know.
23:17
Speaker 3: And I love that. I love being you know, we're
23:20
Speaker 3: playing with someone who's like, I.
23:21
Speaker 2: Know, he's right, it's I fucked up, okay, And I
23:24
Speaker 2: love that it makes you want to be better. Yeah,
23:28
Speaker 2: we don't play to a metronome. Fred is the metronome.
23:30
Speaker 2: So you know what I'm saying, he's right hand. I'm
23:33
Speaker 2: just playing attention to it. I was like, Okay, I'll
23:36
Speaker 2: follow this guy, and I'm sure everything is good, you
23:38
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So yeah, and then and then yeah,
23:43
Speaker 2: when that confirmation happened, it was it was just incredible.
23:48
Speaker 3: I got home. I started crying. It was a couple
23:50
Speaker 3: of days of absorbing it.
23:52
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is actually happening, you know so,
23:55
Speaker 2: But again, more than anything that, it was about.
23:58
Speaker 3: The honor and the priven.
24:02
Speaker 2: To be the one who gets to carry a part
24:05
Speaker 2: of Joey's legacy. You know, I can't think of anything
24:09
Speaker 2: else the bigger or better than this, you know, A
24:14
Speaker 2: huge deal.
24:15
Speaker 1: In Devastation was a tribute to Joey obviously, but it
24:18
Speaker 1: was also to Frederick's father. So what sort of feedback
24:21
Speaker 1: of the album got from friends, family and fans.
24:25
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course this is essentially Fred's band, and
24:32
Speaker 2: he's the songwriter, and of course he put all these emotions,
24:36
Speaker 2: of all these things he went through into the songwriting
24:41
Speaker 2: of the album. But in terms of feedback, honestly, I expected,
24:47
Speaker 2: I didn't expect what ended up happening. All the feedback
24:52
Speaker 2: has been so positive. I have not seen anything negative anywhere,
24:58
Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty five miracle because you know, because
25:02
Speaker 2: the Internet just loves having their opinions, and a lot
25:05
Speaker 2: of the times they're not positive.
25:07
Speaker 3: Not that it matters so much, but it was. It was.
25:10
Speaker 2: It was incredible to see how positive the feedback was
25:14
Speaker 2: around all of it. You know, like, yeah, again, I
25:18
Speaker 2: didn't see anyone. Yeah, everything was great. I don't know
25:23
Speaker 2: what to say. The feedback has really been incredible for us.
25:26
Speaker 2: And well, we've got some major festivals coming up next year.
25:31
Speaker 2: There were the Healthfest, grasp Pop and a few more.
25:34
Speaker 2: And we can't wait to bring to bring Sin Sanem
25:37
Speaker 2: to the bigger crowds, you know, because the band deserves that.
25:40
Speaker 2: The songs are amazing, the band is amazing. We're we
25:43
Speaker 2: are We're a proper family there.
25:45
Speaker 3: It's it's it's great. It's a privilege to be a
25:48
Speaker 3: part of it.
25:49
Speaker 1: Awesome. Right, we'll finish up with this one. I like,
25:52
Speaker 1: you knew Joey personally and professionally, So what would you
25:55
Speaker 1: consider to be the legacy that he would have wanted
25:57
Speaker 1: to leave?
26:00
Speaker 2: Okay, he always said that this is a band, this
26:07
Speaker 2: is not a side project. He always made a point
26:10
Speaker 2: of saying that many many times during the tour, and I,
26:16
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know how to say this, but
26:19
Speaker 2: I know he would have wanted us to carry on.
26:22
Speaker 3: And I think he would have.
26:25
Speaker 2: I think he would have been happy with it, with
26:28
Speaker 2: me taking taking on the show. I don't know who
26:31
Speaker 2: am I to say? But from what I got to
26:34
Speaker 2: know from him and what I saw, I think he
26:37
Speaker 2: would have been happy with what we're doing now, and
26:40
Speaker 2: it's for him, So yeah, it's no one is trying
26:44
Speaker 2: to You cannot be better than the best, you know.
26:47
Speaker 2: All we're trying to do is respectfully carry on with
26:51
Speaker 2: his legacy, and in my case, I'm just trying to
26:53
Speaker 2: not fuck it up.
26:54
Speaker 1: Bro, I think you're doing better than that might. From
26:56
Speaker 1: what I've got, you're doing a great job. Thanks again,
27:00
Speaker 1: like some of this couldn't have been easy, your answers
27:02
Speaker 1: were on us, just straight from the heart, so we
27:04
Speaker 1: appreciate that. In devastation is out now since Sam is going,
27:08
Speaker 1: they are still paying tribute to the honor and the
27:10
Speaker 1: legacy of the great Joey Jorderson. But from what I hear,
27:13
Speaker 1: you doing a great job to Andre, So keep it up, brother,