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  It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.
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  You know, I can remember when I was a kid, my mom asking me to go to the neighbor and get an egg or a cup of sugar.
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  She would send me over there, and I would grab it from them.
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  And I was so proud of myself scurrying back to my mom with that egg or sugar.
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  It was normal back then.
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  Not so much today.
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  Today, I'm not even sure we know our neighbors' names, much less ask them to borrow something.
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  Times change.
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  That's one thing we can always count on.
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  It's inevitable.
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  In our lives, when there are changes, we still have friends and family that are our bedrock.
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  The ones that we can always count on, no matter what.
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  In a rapidly transforming world, alliances are evolving.
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  Sides are being picked.
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  As always, there will be winners and losers.
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  I'm Booker Scott, and this is The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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  Of all of America's neighbors and allies, the one I always knew that this nation could count on was our neighbor to the North.
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  Canada.
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  An extension of the USA and the USA, an extension of Canada.
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  We need a cup of sugar or an egg.
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  Canada has always been America's neighbor.
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  Our wars have been just that.
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  Our wars, bound by a northern border and the likeness of wholesome traditional values.
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  Canada's sons have died with America's in every war we have fought since the war of 1812.
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  Battlefields are littered with Canadian and American limbs and life.
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  Blood shed by both for both.
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  In the eyes of many in America, mine included.
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  Canada has showed signs of evolving itself, an evolution that takes it further from America's and closer to the Chinese Communist Party.
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  Prime Minister Justin Trudeau allowed Chinese troops to train just over America's northern border.
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  During COVID, Canada appeared more like the surveillance state of the C CP, not a land of freedom and liberty.
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  Truckers were debanked and thrown in jail.
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  Pastors were torn from their congregations, ripped from their pulpits, shackled and jailed.
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  No longer mirrored one another.
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  There were signs.
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  No longer is America's neighbor for cups of sugar and an egg, no longer a counted confidant, but suddenly an enemy to the United States of America.
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  Am I hyperbolic?
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  Is this too late?
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  I really don't think we can answer that question now.
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  But when Mark Carney said Canada was happy to join China as a partner in this new world order, Americans should have shuddered at the utterance.
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  Canada is the second largest country in the world behind Russia.
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  It covers more than 3.8 million square miles.
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  Its resources make it rich, with 10 provinces or states and an additional three territories.
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  The large area has led to some regionalism.
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  There is a beaming bright light for liberty and freedom in an enclave of Canadian patriots.
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  It's called Alberta.
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  Tonight we are joined by one of those patriots fighting for freedom.
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  A broadcaster, a reporter, a true Canadian, Joe Rampart is his name.
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  He's been on the program before, and I think it's way past time for another visit in this rapidly moving world.
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  The alignments and realignments we see geopolitically could have life altering consequences.
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  But one neighbor I know America can always count on for an egg or a cup of sugar is Joe Rampart.
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  Joe, welcome back to the program.
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  Well, thank you so much, Booker.
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  It's an absolute pleasure to be having this discussion with you.
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  It's time neighbors talk.
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  And indeed.
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  Yeah, and it may be way past time for us to talk.
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  When I heard Carney's words, and I'm going to play it here for us in just a minute, but it really shook me because as you just heard in the opening there, those are my feelings.
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  That's the way I feel about Canada.
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  It was maybe something that I just always took for granted.
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  I don't know if you feel the same way about that.
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  We just always knew we were together.
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  Is that fair?
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  I think it initially it would be a fair assessment.
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  But there's more to it than that.
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  As you mentioned yourself, which specifically, I think more so over the last 15 years, as our current government, uh, the leading party that transformed government in Canada, the liberal government, has gone more post-national state, more globalist in nature, more global in pursuit, as opposed to shoring up the neighborhood, as it were, which is of course the proper thing to do.
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  So I think that's what we're looking at here.
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  People are starting to feel that Canada really can't be ignored now that Canada's walking down the block across the global scale, as it were, as opposed to having a neighborhood party and getting together and shoring up our neighborhood.
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  Joe, do you believe that the tariffs that President Trump put on Canada were the deciding factor for Kearney making a decision to partner with China?
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  No, I don't see it as the impetus as to why Canada went to China.
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  Most people who have been following the Canadian situation, maybe even as far back as the trucker trucker convoy in January and February of 22, it became very apparent that there were members of the liberal party that were sitting members of parliament that were investigated and found to have been somewhat aided in their election by China, where a lot of our sitting members of parliament are actually beholding to Chinese interests.
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  China has long had a serious hold on Canada, even to the point where at one point the CCP did have police stations in several Canadian cities.
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  So this partnership that's been developing between Canada and China has been going on a lot longer than this current stock that's developed over the Trump issue with tariffs.
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  Do I see the terrorists as a motivator for more trade towards China?
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  It may be perceived that way.
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  But in reality, we take a look at what Canada and China's trade is, and it's it's minuscule compared to the Canadian U.S.
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  trade volume.
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  So when I look at it, is this the right thing for Canada to be doing?
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  Is this the right way road for Canada to be taking?
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  No, I don't, uh, specifically, considering a lot of people have not looked at exactly what happened between the Canadian trade delegation, as it were, and what was said in Beijing and what uh agreements were came to.
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  Right?
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  When we take a look at exactly what that trade deal was, and I've got the actual stats here.
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  Uh it was basically they they Canada agreed to take on 49,000 Chinese EVs and reduce the tariff down to 6.3%.
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  At the same time, China agreed to allow canola production of canola to be shipped to China because there was a complete embargo of canola on Canadian canola from China that just would devastate the Canadian agricultural market.
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  So I think the goal of the Canadian government was to deal with the canola issue, and we're willing to make concessions, any concession to get that canola deal reverse.
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  And the concession of 49,000 electric vehicles, and only you know, a six plus a few points tara.
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  Seem to be the thing that worked.
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  Will it work long time?
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  No, I don't believe it will.
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  We're projecting right now where we're probably going to have acres, if not hectares of vehicles sitting, non recoverable, nonusable, as we see the electric graveyards as they're called.
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  And I can certainly foresee those being uh part of the landscape in Canada in the future as a result of this deal.
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  I want to play the audio of Mark Carney here because when he said the new world order, that's what really caught my attention.
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  And as I put this together with everything else that's going on in the world with Donald Trump talking about the Monroe Doctrine and making sure that this hemisphere is secure, which would include Canada, unless Canada is tied tightly to China and the C CP.
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  But here is Prime Minister Mark Cardi in Canada.
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  Strategic partners.
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  From energy to agriculture, people-to-people ties, to multilateralism, to issues on security.
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  I believe the progress that we have made in the partnership.
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  Sets us up well for the new world order.
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  What's Kearney talking about there when he says the new world order?
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  Well, I heard that.
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  My first impression was we're dealing with a Bush moment, trying to control the narrative.
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  Carney being a globalist and the global cabal wanting to shift away from the current systems that are in play.
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  This is the name they've chosen, this new world order.
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  But then again, I had to sit back and realize that whatever is said at Davos during the WEF meeting is typically a lot of theater.
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  And in reality, when we take a look at the audience that was present at that speech at Davos, it was it was mine, it was mini, you know, it's so small compared to Trump's address to the to the web at the time.
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  So Carney really has zero cloak at WEP.
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  And the Davos, I think a lot of the government is trying to figure out how can we walk that back.
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  And now we're starting to see that this week as the government has come out to say that, you know, like even the trade minister said that there's really no specific new trade deal coming into play with China.
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  That was not the purpose of the visit.
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  The purpose of the visit was to do with the cannola embargo and see what concessions needed to be made in order to alleviate that.
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  So why would Kearney say that if that is the position of the government?
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  He represents the government as the prime minister.
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  Why would he go that far sitting across the table from a Chinese delegation?
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  I think read his book.
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  Mark Carney wrote a book.
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  I have not read it.
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  A very dry book.
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  And the title is most revealing.
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  The value, whereas it's values, parentheses, s parentheses.
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  And the overall essence of the book is to formulate a mindset where values, what you value is commoditize now, and that that commodity now has an economic value to it.
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  It's where he's turning Canada around to what I like to say is basically just to be the farmland of the new world order, where Canada is ripe for the plucking.
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  And of course, being the leader of the Canadian government, that's all he is, is a leader of a party that happens to have enough members to maintain control of the House of Commons.
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  His real goal is globalism, not Canadianism.
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  Yeah.
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  I I see him as an actual enemy to the nation of Canada.
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  And that makes Canada in some ways an enemy of America, in my view, because if you're talking about the New World Order and the globalists and the elites that align for a one-world government with China in the lead, that's why what he said got my attention.
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  That's why it was very bothersome to me.
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  I've talked about it quite a bit on this program, and uh I've even said that on Friday after he said that I had to call my pastor.
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  Let's find out where this aligns scripturally.
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  Here's what I'm seeing.
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  Here's what I believe is happening.
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  What does this mean?
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  And and we had a conversation about that.
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  I don't want to get into that in this conversation with you.
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  But that's how much this bothered me as an American to see this.
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  And I don't know if the people of Canada realize that a guy like me is bothered by the words of their prime minister like that.
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  Well, you should also be worried about the 27% of Canadians that view the U.S.
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  as an enemy.
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  Yeah.
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  And uh only well, the same percentage basically on our ledger poll earlier uh last year, where 25% of Canadians see the U.S.
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  as an ally.
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  So it's it's a balance happening here where Canadians really are on the fence about what is our alignment with America.
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  Yeah.
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  And uh for myself, as a as a you know, I believe in for myself, eventually my hope would be a Canadian constitutional republic, because I understand constitutional republics are the only way that men and women can live freely without government interference and overriding.
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  So I think it's wise for America to be viewing Canada as where are we aligned and are we aligned?
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  And if we are not aligned, then instead of a four-foot picket fence, we may need to put a different kind of fence up.
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  That's right.
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  And that would be that would be correct thinking on on the part of America.
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  And that's sad to me.
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  I and I know that uh you're older like I am, and we have not lived that life where we have to look at one another in the way that we suddenly have to look at each other.
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  And to me, there's a sadness to that as being such close neighbors where we could go borrow an egg or a cup of sugar from each other.
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  I agree with that.
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  And Canadians still overwhelmingly want good relations with the U.S.
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  Uh more than um I would have to say a very strong majority, over half, say that Canada should take a more independent approach, especially in trade and foreign policy.
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  They want to defend defend our Canadian interests, but not provoke a full U.S.
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  economic war.
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  I think the debate really, Booker, is about understanding degrees of alignment.
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  Should Canada automatically follow the U.S.
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  on every foreign policy issue, or should it have more room to maneuver uh in alignments that would be beneficial to Canada, maybe not so beneficial to the U.S., but maybe beneficial to Canada.
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  You know, most Canadians do support a more independent foreign policy, but but not a full break, because that of course would collapse Canada's economy that would make us staring 100% terrorist in the eyes, uh, and that would be a complete full economic freeze meltdown of the Canadian economy.
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  I would say within weeks.
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  Yeah.
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  We're coming up close to a break here.
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  I hope it doesn't come to that either.
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  We are coming up close to a break, but before we get there, I want to go back to Pastor Pulaski.
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  And by the way, for those of you listening, Joe Rampart here, who you are listening to from Alberta, Canada, he was really involved with the truckers.
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  That's when my path crossed with his back in 2022.
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  He was doing phenomenal work in bringing the people of Canada a broadcast and in pretty much went all day long, most days keeping people informed with what was going on with the truckers back then.
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  But there was also Pastor Pulaski and I have played this on the show before, but I really want to pay attention to what he says toward the end here, Joe, about the judges in China that are also bought and paid for by the Chinese and the C CP.
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  Here is Pastor Pulaski.
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  He was on with Laura Ingram.
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  Dude, I cannot go against my own conscience against the freedom of religion, freedom of everything.
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  I mean, in a free and democratic society, I I just can't imagine.
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  I'm speechless.
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  I don't know what's going on with the Canadian government, but this judge is not a judge.
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  He never was a judge.
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  He's a political activist working for China though, right now.
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  So an activist judge working for China in Canada, and again, this is Pastor Pulaski going back again to 2022.
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  Your thoughts on hearing him say that.
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  Well, the first thing is I agree with him.
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  There are many, many of our judiciary that are supported by foreign interests, whether it be direct support or indirect support through the Liberal Party, which has direct support with the Communist Party of China, which, you know, for me, sometimes we have to jokingly call Canada Chinada, because it is so infiltrated by China.
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  So what Arthur Peloski went through was an absolute, absolute horrendous event with being jailed, being persecuted.
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  But you know, such is the life of a Christian during these times.
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  Yeah.
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  Now he has done nothing but be a service to his fellow man in every regard, free feeding the homeless for free, even when it was deemed to be illegal.
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  He would he and his congregation and his support groups would show up with trays of hot steaming food to feed homeless people.
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  Incredible man.
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  Absolute respect.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Me too.
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  I'm enjoying this conversation.
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  Joe Rampart from Alberta, Canada.
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  We are talking this Canada America mess through, and yeah, and maybe a mess is too far to say, but I don't know.
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  It should be on your radar.
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  It's definitely on mine.
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  We're in the middle of a conversation with Joe Rampart from Alberta, Canada.
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  I want to go back to the trade issue.
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  When the trade deal was done with China and the Carney conversation was done with the delegation from China, the one that I played earlier.
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  Donald Trump said, Well, I'm glad they made a deal.
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  He's got to make a deal.
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  That was the first thing that he said.
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  I don't know if he knew exactly what was said when he was asked that on a tarmac, but that's what he said.
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  And at the time I said, this isn't over yet.
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  Just wait a little bit longer.
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  And then we saw in Davos that Trump did not invite Mark Kearney on the Board of Peace.
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  He withdrew that invitation.
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  And then this past weekend, I wake up Saturday morning and Donald Trump is considering, as you mentioned in the first segment, a 100% tariff on Canada.
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  So clearly, Donald Trump is thinking the way that I am.
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  And almost all of Donald Trump's strategy from the Middle East to Russia to Venezuela to Greenland, all of that has to do with putting a wedge between China and their ultimate goal of devaluing the American dollar with the BRICS nations and this new world order.
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  And Donald Trump is trying to prevent that from happening.
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  Now he sees our neighbor to the north is saying we're going to join the new world order with China.
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  This 100% tariff, it could be devastating because Canada does about 75% of their GDP with America.
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  And then they would really be forced to have more of a relationship with China, I believe.
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  And do would you see it that way?
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  100% I do.
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  I asked the question, truly, you know, what does Trump's 100% tariff threat really mean to us as Canadians?
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  I asked myself that in preparation for this.
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  And when he threatened to impose 100% tariffs on all Canadian goods entering the U.S., if Canada makes a deal with China was the threat.
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  The reason he did that was that he views Canada turning into what would be known as a drop-off drop-off port for Canadian goods to slide into the American market.
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  Now, since about, as you said, you know, 70% 5% of Canadian exports go to the U.S., 100% tariffs on all Canadian goods would be catastrophic force, effectively cutting us off at the jugular.
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  A lot of economists and Canadians say that costs could be would be born on both sides.
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  The U.S.
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  industries relying on Canadian inputs of auto steel, agriculture, energy would face much higher prices, and U.S.
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  consumers would see strong inflation.
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  Now, I see it a little bit not in that light, because the threat is widely seen as an extreme leveraging for the upcoming USMCA review rather than a serious immediate policy that Trump will want to throw in.
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  The many U.S.
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  economists who've even said that this would be economic madness that would hurt the U.S.
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  almost as much as it would Canada.
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  But still, we all know that that as a threat that has real political and economic weight, especially when you're talking about resource-rich regions.
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  And I speak about that specifically about Alberta being the energy hub of Canada.
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  That's my big concern there.
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  Well, and if you're not oil, yeah, and we if you look back at Trudeau and what he did to the oil industry, specifically Alberta.
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  I know I watch a lot of videos that come from Alberta.
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  The people there have not been happy, especially during the Trudeau years.
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  They kind of shut down oil production.
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  There, the Keystone Pipeline disappeared.
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  Nobody really has jumped in to do anything about that since they shut it down.
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  Is that uh a fair assessment of Alberta and the oil industry there in Canada?
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  The oil industry is absolutely up in arms with what Ottawa has been doing with our energy industry.
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  Frankenstein Albertans are completely done with our federal government.
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  The independence movement, the separatist movement here in Alberta is like wildfire on a hot July afternoon.
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  Minus 25 degrees centigrade.
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  That'd be well below minus 40 Fahrenheit.
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  We have lineups hours long to get into polling station or signing stations to sign the petition.
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  So Albertans have just basically, you know, thrown the gauntlet down and said enough.
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  And now it's a recent maneuvers, South America, and the discussion about why that was done, wanting to restrict or eliminate China's access to Venezuelan oil.
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  Then all of a sudden now is this trade deal, energy deal happening between Canada and China.
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  Is their view that Canada would become China's new Venezuela?
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  Yeah.
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  That's an interesting question.
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  And I think a lot of you listeners, and I think that you as well, Booker.
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  That's probably a question going through your mind.
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  Well, it's something I've written about.
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  It's uh something I've thought about for weeks, and as you look at things, uh China gets 78% of Venezuelan oil right now.
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  Donald Trump now controls that.
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  America controls that.
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  So where are they going to get to replace it?
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  So when I see Kearney, I already know these facts about Venezuela and the oil in China.
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  The first thing that comes to my mind is the oil in Canada eventually will end up in China, and Canada becomes another Venezuela.
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  And uh again, a neighbor of America's.
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  Well, that's a good concern.
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  But one has to look at the facts booker.
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  You know, China being the world's largest oil importer.
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  What does Canada provide in the way of oil supplies to China?
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  We need supplying maybe about one percent.
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  Yeah, I read four percent.
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  Yeah.
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  I read about four percent, so whatever.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's low.
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  Is there any way on earth that we would be able to scale up even past double digits given the current uh environment in the energy industry?
• 28:33
  No.
• 28:34
  Yeah, I agree.
• 28:35
  Yeah, I think so.
• 28:36
  But what about five years from now?
• 28:38
  You know, because China is always planning uh 50 years and 100 years out.
• 28:43
  They don't do things in two-year election cycles.
• 28:46
  Their belt and road initiative started in 2012.
• 28:49
  So this is just another part of their belt and road initiative that is long-term thinking.
• 28:56
  So if they have to replace that oil that they're getting from Venezuela, and you have dormant oil production in Alberta, then as an American sitting here looking at things geopolitically, I say, hmm.
• 29:08
  That makes sense that Canada would partner with them for long-term oil production.
• 29:15
  It just made sense to me.
• 29:17
  Then and that's what really bothered me, understanding everything that's going on from Greenland to Venezuela, rare earth minerals, and the uh modern-day 21st century technology arms race that we're in, where the global economy will be 15.7 to 22.3 trillion dollars by 2030.
• 29:34
  And uh we're in this race with China, and then Canada partners with them.
• 29:38
  Does Canada even realize that that they that that's what Greenland is all about?
• 29:43
  It's not just about military strategy, but it's about that race of 21st century technology because the largest rare earth mineral deposit in the world is in Greenland, and the only country that's capable of getting those rare earth minerals out at this time is China.
• 29:58
  So that's another block of China.
• 30:00
  China.
• 30:00
  So everywhere that China is trying to come in, Donald Trump is trying to block for national security, because if you go back to the national security strategy report that was released in November by the Trump administration, it did not mention China or Russia, which is probably America's largest adversaries.
• 30:17
  It only mentioned the Western hemisphere.
• 30:20
  But everything that Donald Trump has done in this Western hemisphere so far has been to block China.
• 30:28
  So when he says 100% tariff on Canada, see, I look at it maybe a little bit different than the way you're looking at it.
• 30:35
  I would have to agree because we're I'm a Canadian, you're an American, you're going to see things from the American lens, and I see it from the Canadian lens, and let me just kind of you know scrape the ice off the front of the lens here so we can see a clarity on the case.
• 30:48
  There's probably a lot of ice up here.
• 30:50
  There is.
• 31:43
  Yeah, talk about that.
• 31:44
  Explain that to it.
• 31:46
  Explain that to the listeners so that they understand because there is an issue with ports.
• 31:51
  If you look at a map in where Alberta is, it's not real close to a port, is it?
• 31:56
  Explain what you're talking about.
• 31:58
  Well, we are on the eastern side of the Great Canadian Rockies.
• 32:02
  To try and get a pipeline across the Rockies across the western section of Canada is uh a monumental feat.
• 32:09
  One that Canadians are capable of doing.
• 32:12
  But when we when we're looking at multi-year delays due to regulatory issues, when we're running into our the United Nations Declaration on Indian Indian Indian um participation, the undrip, and we have many First Nations in British Columbia that have been challenging on every level of court the ability to get oil to tidewater.
• 32:40
  It's it's a huge regulatory hurdle where America could build a pipeline in two years, it would take 20 years for Canada to do it.
• 32:51
  Do I see that mentality changing?
• 32:53
  No, I actually see it amplifying.
• 32:56
  Specifically now, we've got some serious issues about land authority and land autonomy in the lower mainland areas, specifically there are a few First Nations tribes that are causing a lot of grief over the definition of ceded and unceded territory and the right to that territory.
• 33:21
  So it's to the point now where there are some communities that you know, if you're a homeowner, you spent half a million dollars on your home.
• 33:28
  Now there's this internal First Nations saying, no, all that land belongs to us, not you.
• 33:36
  So there's a real issue over land here in Canada.
• 33:40
  And of course, being as big as we are, some of those nations encompass an awful lot of territory, and that's wildland territory that we could easily traverse to the pipeline.
• 33:50
  But due to regulatory hurdles, there it's an impasse.
• 33:55
  Yeah.
• 33:56
  That's one of one of the biggest things.
• 33:58
  And I've always been a proponent that where we need to ship our oil is to America.
• 34:04
  We need to get our oil down to you as fast as possible because you need oil.
• 34:09
  And that's been stopped.
• 34:10
  Yeah.
• 34:11
  We can provide that.
• 34:12
  Yeah, and that's been stopped over the last couple of years.
• 34:14
  Uh Biden stopped the Keystone Pipeline.
• 34:17
  And from what I understand from people in the energy industry, no company really wants to come back and take that on.
• 34:23
  So it's just sitting there, the part that they built, and it doesn't look like anybody is.
• 34:28
  However, I did see something from Alberta last week that one company, one Canadian company is entertaining that.
• 34:35
  So maybe it does, you know, come back into uh something that they're going to try to accomplish and open that Keystone pipeline eventually.
• 34:43
  But Joe Biden killed that back then, and it doesn't seem like there is a lot of support for it at this time.
• 34:49
  Before we end our time together, I want to talk a little bit about Alberta.
• 34:52
  It's where you are.
• 34:54
  And you see, and you even mentioned it, by the way, that the people are lining up to sign a petition.
• 34:59
  I have seen that myself.
• 35:01
  And Donald Trump talked about making Alberta 51st state.
• 35:04
  There was even a contingency from Alberta that went to the White House early on in Donald Trump's second presidency.
• 35:10
  Are the people there going to have any success, either becoming their own nation or becoming a part of the United States?
• 35:18
  Someone suggested today we'll swap Minnesota for Alberta.
• 35:21
  What about that?
• 35:22
  You think the people of Canada would go along with that?
• 35:25
  I highly doubt that that view would be signed off by Canada.
• 35:28
  And you can keep Minnesota, you folks uh it's in your backyard.
• 35:33
  Please clean up your black yard, says your friendly neighbor.
• 35:36
  Uh at the same time, you know, looking in my backyard here in Alberta, uh, you brought up two particular issues.
• 35:43
  First is the movement towards a 51st state and then the the uh independent separatist movement.
• 35:50
  In order to achieve the 51st state status, one would have to become an independent nation prior to that.
• 35:59
  There's no way that Alberta could just negotiate its way out of Canada 51st states.
• 36:04
  It just and and there's no legal precedent in the framework of the U.S.
• 36:09
  to allow that to happen.
• 36:11
  There is a framework where a independent part, an independent country could join the United States.
• 36:18
  How that would happen?
• 36:20
  Well, that's within the can the uh the U.S.
• 36:22
  framework for how that works.
• 36:24
  Am I a proponent of Alberta becoming part of America?
• 36:29
  No, I'm not.
• 36:30
  I'm an Albertan, I'm a Canadian, I'm Canadian first.
• 36:35
  Bringing up the separate topic of Alberta separatism and those moving for Alberta independence.
• 36:42
  I understand the sentiment.
• 36:43
  Having lived in this, you know, being a born and bred Albertan, you know, uh living in this beautiful, beautiful, beautiful place called Alberta for 60 years.
• 36:55
  This is Canada.
• 36:58
  Do I see the movement gaining traction?
• 37:02
  Absolutely.
• 37:02
  Do they have a valid question?
• 37:04
  Absolutely.
• 37:05
  Do we have a framework for separatism within our constitution?
• 37:10
  Yes, we do.
• 37:11
  It's long, it's arduous.
• 37:14
  I think the sentiment is misplaced that it's going to be a rapid event.
• 37:19
  I do not see it as such.
• 37:20
  I see it near taking a generation for this to actually work its way through all of the steps it needs to go through in order to be attained.
• 37:30
  It's going to be an ongoing thing, and like I say, it's going to be a generational thing.
• 37:33
  We're looking at this discussion, probably going to encompass not only the discussion, but the process and procedures.
• 37:39
  If the question is asked through the Clarity Act and then goes to a referendum, the next step is then the Canada wide vote, then the next step and the next step.
• 37:52
  And these steps take a lot of time.
• 37:55
  And one of the things that we're running into is a huge shift in the Canadian electoral desires, where the election in four years' time is going to probably flip from our liberal government to a conservative-based government.
• 38:13
  Now, of course, up here in Canada, we have what we call the uniparty, where it doesn't matter whether you're in blue or red.
• 38:20
  Um, you're still gonna maintain the status quo.
• 38:23
  Unfortunately, our system of government under Westminster parliamentary rules of order actually facilitate that and rewards that it's about good governance.
• 38:34
  It's not about doing the right thing for the right reason at the right time, it's about good governance, controlling the population.
• 38:43
  And that's what the Canadian government is very, very good at doing when they need to do it, whether it be by narrative or whether it be by force.
• 38:53
  We've seen that exercise as recently as February 22 with the enactment of what we call our emergency measures act, what would be commonly referred to as the war measures act to quell unrest in Ottawa at the time.
• 39:07
  Now, of course, we see events happening in Canada now where we have demonstrations and protestations happening in our major metropolitan cities that are completely meltdowns.
• 39:18
  They're complete, they're they're truly turning violent, as opposed to what we saw when they did enact the emergency measures act, peaceful demonstrators, honking horns, playing, barbecuing, bouncy castles.
• 39:33
  That's what the trucker convoy was in 22 that had the emergency measures act unleashed on it, where they unleash horses to trample Canadians in the street.
• 39:44
  This is true.
• 39:45
  There's videos all over the internet if you want to see it.
• 39:48
  But do we see the same response to the current demonstrations or protestations that are happening here in Canadian cities?
• 39:54
  No, we don't.
• 39:55
  You know, we literally see complete violations of the criminal court.
• 40:00
  By certain select groups in Canada that would not have been tolerated if they had occurred in 22 at the truck of convoy.
• 40:09
  But then again, now we're talking into a much wider sociopolitical environment when we talk about the overpopulation of Canada with our mass immigration resulting in uh collapse of our struct of our infrastructure in order to sustain it.
• 40:24
  Joe, do you have a few more minutes to hang around with me for about 15 more minutes and we'll go ahead and finish out this hour?
• 40:31
  I kind of planned on doing a couple of segments.
• 40:33
  I'm enjoying the conversation.
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• 42:04
  I'm Booker Scott.
• 42:05
  This is the truth be told.
• 42:07
  Glad you're here.
• 42:08
  And I'm also glad my friend from Canada, Joe Rampart is here.
• 42:12
  He's trying to set me straight and tell me things aren't as bad as I thought they were.
• 42:16
  I'm not totally convinced yet, but I am enjoying a conversation with our neighbor.
• 42:21
  And I think Joe is a guy that I would let him borrow an egg or a cup of sugar anytime he wanted.
• 42:26
  I want to come back to something that you said a few minutes ago about Alberta and trying to get their independence, whether that be uh, you know, first it would have to be a nation, an independent nation.
• 42:39
  It sounds like a very long process.
• 42:41
  From a personal standpoint, from someone that's lived there their entire life.
• 42:46
  Do you want to see Alberta as an independent nation?
• 42:50
  Or do you still want them to be a part of the Canada that you love?
• 42:54
  Because you can hear it in your voice.
• 42:56
  You want Canada to be the Canada that you grew up with and the Canada you love.
• 43:01
  And I think that for me at 60 and you at 60, we both have that in common.
• 43:06
  We both want our America and our Canada to be the ones that we grew up with where we could go and get a cup of sugar or an egg from our neighbor.
• 43:16
  Well, you know, you you open the show up here, Booker, with uh with the comment about neighbors.
• 43:21
  And wouldn't you want your neighbor to stand strong to be independent to make decisions that are good for them, and yet at the same time not marginalized or endanger the relationship with you.
• 43:33
  That's what I believe Canada has had, Canada can have, and Canada should have.
• 43:46
  I'm a Canadian.
• 43:47
  I believe in the whole breadth of Canada from C to C to C to border.
• 43:56
  It's something that doesn't exist anywhere else on the planet.
• 44:01
  Canada is unique when it comes to nations.
• 44:05
  It's extremely unique.
• 44:06
  I I've looked at this, you know, with my broadcast Canada talks tonight.
• 44:10
  I've talked to hundreds of thousands of Canadians over the years.
• 44:15
  And the one overriding thing is they're all Canadians.
• 44:19
  And even when I speak with Alberta separatists, and I know some of them very closely, one of my previous co-hosts uh was a full Canadian nationalist.
• 44:31
  But something happened in March of last year when Mark Carney was elected as the prime minister of Canada.
• 44:38
  That snapped a lot of uh Albertans.
• 44:40
  They just had it.
• 44:42
  There's no way that Canada would line up to the slop thought of liberalism like they had under Trudeau.
• 44:49
  We'd have 10 years of Trudeau, and now we're getting another election.
• 44:53
  We're getting another five years of the Liberal Party.
• 44:56
  Trudeau was a liberal leader of the Liberal Party.
• 44:59
  His number one advisor was Mark Carney from 2019 onwards.
• 45:04
  So we can see that the stage was set for a continuization of the direction that Canada's going in.
• 45:12
  I believe that with full support of America, we could maintain a full country.
• 45:19
  We need to have much better trade relations.
• 45:22
  But when we have a globalist in power that's more interested in expanding the global presence as opposed to regional security, that's where I draw the line and I say, well, what we might land up with is the Balkanization of Canada.
• 45:40
  What we might land up with is independent provinces, independent countries.
• 45:46
  We may have the country of Alberta, the country of Saskatchewan, the country of Manitoba, the country of Quebec, because Quebec has a huge separatist initiative underway and has for the last 40 years.
• 46:02
  The last time there was a major separatist movement in Canada, the Quebec vote came to 49.8%, 51 point.
• 46:10
  It was very close.
• 46:12
  Yeah.
• 46:13
  Very close.
• 46:14
  Do I see it coming that close with the Alberta Separatist Initiative?
• 46:18
  Yes, I do.
• 46:20
  Wow.
• 46:20
  I even see potentially it moving to the point where the Act, the Clarity Act is called into play on the question, and then it goes through the multiple levels of court challenges that it's going to go through, and then go back to Parliament in order to figure this out.
• 46:37
  And there, now we're dealing with this as potentially four or five years from now.
• 46:41
  That puts us into a new election cycle that potentially puts us into a new government that might be able to change the situation between the U.S.
• 46:51
  and Canada that would make it route to pursue the aspect of independence.
• 46:56
  But there's a lot more than just energy issues at play when it comes to the independent question.
• 47:02
  Many people don't understand that you know Canada being as big as it is, we transfer payments between provinces to balance things out.
• 47:11
  And Alberta has way overpaid in transfer payments, somewhat to the tune of over 300 billion dollars in the last 50 years.
• 47:19
  Wow.
• 47:20
  We get nothing back.
• 47:21
  We get nothing back at all except impasses, roadblocks, barriers to our energy industry.
• 47:33
  So you feel slighted if you're an Albertan.
• 47:36
  You you feel slighted by your government completely.
• 47:38
  Not only is it a liberal government, but even when the conservative government has been in there, you are still slighted when you have spent 300 billion dollars and you get nothing for it.
• 47:48
  Absolutely.
• 47:49
  100%.
• 47:50
  For myself, you know, I'm tired of playing party politics within the Canadian mosaic.
• 47:55
  I'm looking at it more so from if we don't take a principal stand, and if we don't have principal policies in place, then what do we have?
• 48:07
  We have a mirage where mediocrity is rewarded, where adversaries and aggression between institutions is supported.
• 48:20
  This is where you've got Ottawa and uh Edmonton, the capital of Alberta, and loggered heads over.
• 48:27
  We need to move our oil, but we can't move our oil.
• 48:29
  Like, does anybody through me like 60, 70 dollar a barrel oil?
• 48:33
  Nope.
• 48:34
  It's still profitable, but nowhere near as profitable as 150 dollars a barrel.
• 48:39
  Right.
• 48:40
  But at the same time, if we were able to free flow oil out of the province, $50 a barrel is profitable.
• 48:48
  And we're close to that again.
• 48:50
  Yeah, we're close to $50 again.
• 48:52
  Exactly.
• 48:53
  You said something a few minutes ago.
• 48:54
  I want to go back because I think there are some parallels here.
• 48:57
  You said that I am a Canadian.
• 49:00
  And I feel the same way.
• 49:01
  I am an American first, and I don't mean that in the Donald Trump way.
• 49:04
  I'm just an American.
• 49:06
  And we used to all say that.
• 49:07
  We're an American.
• 49:08
  I'm an American.
• 49:09
  And now you hear people on our political left.
• 49:12
  They say they're Americans, and people on the political right say there's no way you can be an American the way you believe.
• 49:18
  We both feel that we are our Americans.
• 49:21
  But in reality, we are not like we used to be.
• 49:25
  Do you sense that in Canada with the political divide that you have there?
• 49:29
  Yes.
• 49:31
  Unequivocably, I agree with that.
• 49:34
  I feel absolutely slighted and insulted by my government every time I look at my pace up.
• 49:40
  Yeah.
• 49:41
  Well, there's this thing that we're all Americans or we're all Canadians.
• 49:46
  But it's not like it was back when I would go get a cup of sugar for my mother or run and get an egg.
• 49:53
  Those those days of being an American and being an American first or a Canadian first, they
• 50:00
  Seem to be gone.
• 50:00
  I don't know how we get that back.
• 50:03
  Do you have any thought on that?
• 50:05
  I think it comes down to what we here in Canada called the kindness initiative.
• 50:12
  And this is fully exemplified during the trucker convoy, where we had Canadians from the Yukon with Canadians from the Maritimes.
• 50:23
  You know, people that live 5,400 kilometers apart, joining together, uh and sharing and dancing and having life and sharing experiences.
• 50:35
  That is the Canadian mosaic, truly.
• 50:38
  Whether it be somebody from Barhead, Alberta, small little tiny ranching community not far from Calgary.
• 50:49
  Having a great conversation with somebody from LaVal Quebec, using Google Translate in minus 30 degree weather and still coming together.
• 50:59
  This is possible in Canada.
• 51:01
  It's been that way for forever, at least my 60 years.
• 51:05
  Yeah.
• 51:06
  This divide is political in nature.
• 51:09
  It's ideological in nature.
• 51:12
  And when we start to look past the ideology, that's where we really see the similarities.
• 51:18
  But sometimes again, it's about party politics and it's more about playing the ideology as opposed to playing the aspect of identity, the aspect of nationhood of nationality.
• 51:33
  That seems to have taken the back seat to ideologies.
• 51:37
  And we have these ideologies that are a broad spectrum of them.
• 51:42
  Whether it be the soji, the transgender issues on the left, or whether it be white nationalism on the right.
• 51:53
  Behind those ideologies, we still, you know, if you scratch that person, you're still going to see them bleed red and white.
• 52:00
  They're still Canadian.
• 52:03
  So how do we transpose that?
• 52:07
  How do we get over that?
• 52:08
  I think is more so the adjective I'd want to use.
• 52:11
  To get back to Canadianism.
• 52:14
  And that's kind of been the mission of what Canada talks tonight with my co-host Wolf and I do twice a week is we keep bringing it back to the Canadian question, the Canadianism, the identity of Canada and what that means, regardless of whether you live on Vancouver on the British Columbia or on Queen Charlotte Island in the Atlantics of Canada or in Lunavent, up in the north, up in the Arctic Circle.
• 52:38
  Joe.
• 52:42
  The division.
• 52:43
  I agree.
• 52:44
  Yep.
• 52:44
  They want us divided.
• 52:46
  They need us divided to accomplish what it is that they're trying to accomplish.
• 52:50
  And it's a battle of hearts and minds, not of policy legislation.
• 52:55
  And you know, that's where I come down with things.
• 52:58
  The battle for the heart and the mind, not for whether you're left or right, whether you're good or evil or any of those things.
• 53:06
  It is it is the battle for the heart and mind and doing what's right, and in my opinion, doing God's will, which is to love him with all your heart and love your neighbor just like that is what the scripture says.
• 53:19
  Just the same way you love God, you love your neighbor, and you'd be willing to give them an egg or a cup of sugar.
• 53:24
  And Joe, I would always be willing to give you either one of those and probably the shirt off my back.
• 53:30
  I want to thank you for coming on the program again tonight.
• 53:33
  It's been a while, it's been a couple of years.
• 53:35
  You're you're so informative, and I appreciate it.
• 53:37
  I want you to tell everybody where they can find you, both on Twitter X, where they can listen to your broadcast, and so that they maybe can come in and listen to a bunch of Canadians and how they feel about this world.
• 53:50
  Well, I certainly appreciate those words, uh, Booker.
• 53:53
  First, let me let me express to all of your listeners, every American listening in, as a Canadian in the great white north, in the spirit of agappa.
• 54:06
  We share our love for each other as brothers, as sisters, as children of God, as we seek first his kingdom and his righteousness.
• 54:14
  And uh we understand, as our savior said that there is no greater love than to lay your life down for your brother.
• 54:20
  And that's what Canadians have done historically with Americans.
• 54:24
  You have done that with us.
• 54:26
  And I know that in the future, when, as they say, when nuts the bolts happen, we will do the same.
• 54:33
  Where you can find out more information about me is on one place.
• 54:38
  That is my sole point.
• 54:40
  I love social media, but I discovered social media was so toxic, and the best solution to toxicity is exposure and bring it into the light of air, the light of day, or if not in the light of day, at least bring it into your earbuds.
• 54:55
  And then they came along with spaces, which is very similar to uh podcasts and radio shows.
• 55:01
  The difference with spaces being that they were live, interactive, real-time, unedited.
• 55:06
  They were the wild west, the new frontier of social media that I turned social audio.
• 55:12
  So we started just after the trucker convoy.
• 55:15
  We established a X Spaces regularly, weekly at the time, now up to two episodes a week, Tuesdays and Friday evenings at 6 p.m.
• 55:24
  Mountain or 6 p.m.
• 55:25
  Pacific time.
• 55:26
  That'll be in approximately 21 minutes.
• 55:29
  We'll be going on air at X.
• 55:31
  You can find me at Joe Rampart on X, that's J-O-E-R-A-M-P-A-R-T, and we'll be live in 20 minutes on Canada Talks Tonight.
• 55:42
  And your audience is totally invited to join us on Tuesdays and Friday nights.
• 55:47
  We'll be there for you.
• 55:48
  Uh we are an eclectic group.
• 55:51
  Uh, we have nationalists, we have liberals, we have conservatives, we have green folks, um, even those that believe in green energy and the climate uh issues.
• 56:03
  This is one where it's a nonpartisan space, but it's a nationalist space because we're Canadians, we believe in Canada from coast to coast to coast to the border.
• 56:12
  Canada first is our motto.
• 56:14
  Thank you, Joe.
• 56:15
  I appreciate you coming on the program again.
• 56:17
  I really do.
• 56:18
  God bless you, God bless Canada.
• 56:20
  Let's stay friends, where we can still trade an egg or a cup of sugar if we need to.
• 56:26
  And don't you forget that you were told two thousand years ago that you are the salt of the earth, and salt without flavor has no value.
• 56:33
  So whatever you do, keep being salty.
• 56:35
  Have a great night.
• 56:36
  There is only one truth.
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