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Madlanga rejects Matlala's request to stop · Drive with John Perlman

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  Speaker 1: Drive home with John Perlman on 702.
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  Speaker 2: Let's walk the talk.
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  Speaker 3: Right, let's focus our attention now on the Matlanga Commission
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  Speaker 3: of Inquiry. Vusi Musi Matlala was in there at the
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  Speaker 3: Commission of Inquiry from very promptly sometime around nine o'clock,
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  Speaker 3: but it took a good while before he... he could
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  Speaker 3: be brought into the conversation. There was plenty of legal
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  Speaker 3: back and forth about whether he could be questioned based
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  Speaker 3: on statements he had made in a plea bargain that
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  Speaker 3: never was. These documents obviously residing with the National Prosecuting Authority,
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  Speaker 3: but successfully... Did they require a subpoena? No, I think
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  Speaker 3: they were requested by the Madelunga Commission of Inquiry. Park
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  Speaker 3: all of that because that's background. The real issue is
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  Speaker 3: what's been going on in the conversation and to get
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  Speaker 3: a sense of what questions have been put to Busi
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  Speaker 3: Musi Matlala and what answers he's been given. We're joined
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  Speaker 3: now by Tulu Toku, who is our EWN reporter at
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  Speaker 3: the Commission. Tulu, a very good afternoon to you. The
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  Speaker 3: main focus of the questioning so far, where did the
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  Speaker 3: evidence leaders start?
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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon, John. Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: In actual fact, For the past hour or so, Vusumuzi
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  Speaker 1: Matlala has been trying to actually clarify what he says
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  Speaker 1: are inaccuracies in that statement which he actually signed, which
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  Speaker 1: was going to form part of the plea bargain. In
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  Speaker 1: actual fact, Matlala, in the beginning, before he spoke about
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  Speaker 1: that plea agreement, he actually says that addict officials, when
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  Speaker 1: he came from Cox's prison, they did not take him
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  Speaker 1: to Khosin Mampuru Correctional Facility as required. In actual fact,
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  Speaker 1: they took him to the Sheraton Hotel.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so they took him to the Sheraton Hotel, and
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  Speaker 3: what is he saying is inaccurate in the statement, apart
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  Speaker 3: from that?
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  Speaker 1: So he says that, firstly, allegations against Shadrack Sidiya are
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  Speaker 1: all completely false. So he says that in his statement
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  Speaker 1: that he actually signed, he alleges that he visited Shadrack
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  Speaker 1: Sidiya's house multiple times. However, today he says that that's
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  Speaker 1: a lie. The only time he's visited... Shadrack Sabir's home
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  Speaker 1: was that one time where his son was hosting an
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  Speaker 1: engagement party. But what he also denies is his own
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  Speaker 1: claims in that statement is that his former lawyer, Bronwyn Forbay,
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  Speaker 1: actually coerced him, particularly for his statement before the Ad
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  Speaker 1: Hoc Committee last year. But he also alleged in that
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  Speaker 1: statement that Forbay had also tried to tell him what
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  Speaker 1: to say relating to Shadrack Sabir. He says today that
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  Speaker 1: is all a lie. In actual fact, IDAC officials were
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  Speaker 1: fishing for this information and says that in actual case,
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  Speaker 1: in some cases, the officials were adding their own information.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, let's hear an excerpt from what Fusimusi Matlala
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  Speaker 3: had to say.
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  Speaker 2: They booked me on a Friday and then they took
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  Speaker 2: me back to, because they couldn't finish their statement, the
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  Speaker 2: following day again, on a Saturday, they booked me out again.
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  Speaker 2: And then after finishing their statement, they asked me to sign.
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  Speaker 2: I refused because my lawyer was not present. I asked them,
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  Speaker 2: can I please call my lawyer? So they said it's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Then Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Mugunaga said he's not available. He sent his assistant again.
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  Speaker 2: She came there. She witnessed everything. They were with now
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  Speaker 2: another SAPS general. She is a woman. And then she
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  Speaker 2: needed some.
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  Speaker 2: About certain people which I saw they are also in
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  Speaker 2: the tool for statement.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, just an excerpt then, a taste of what Vusi
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  Speaker 3: Musi Matlala has had to say at the Madlanga Commission
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  Speaker 3: of Inquiry. Thanks to Tulu Tsoku who is covering it
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  Speaker 3: for EWN and we'll hear from her through the course
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  Speaker 3: of the day, I'm sure.