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Chuck & Buck 6-8 Hour 3: One Series with Jacson Bevens, Baseball Brunch & got an extra $6K? · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: KJRFM, and it is time for our Seahawks one series
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Speaker 1: to continue something we do every June, and that is
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Speaker 1: an entire month. Every day we will have one different
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Speaker 1: Seahawks analysts breakdown one key Seahawk player for one entire interview.
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Speaker 1: We have entered week number two of our series, day
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Speaker 1: number six of our series and joining us now on
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Speaker 1: the program, No one looks makes smoking a cigar look
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Speaker 1: better than this guy. He's with Cigar thoughts in fl
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Speaker 1: He's a blogger, he's been podcasting for years. Yeah, we
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Speaker 1: love dipping our toes into our waters of our podcasting
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Speaker 1: friends as well. Sometimes you hear him right here at
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Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, and when you
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Speaker 1: hear him, you hear great Seahawks analysis. And he joins
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Speaker 1: us today for our Seahawks one series. Jackson Bevans is
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Speaker 1: with us here on Chuck and Buck. How are you, sir?
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Speaker 2: Chuck? What's happening man? Thanks for having me?
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Speaker 1: Hey you Ben? How are things great? Man?
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Speaker 2: You know it's a U.
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Speaker 3: You catch me complaining, you can shoot me like life's
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Speaker 3: pretty good man, And even better when the team's heer
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Speaker 3: for a team that you cover won the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: It's like, you know what, I'm no matter what happens
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Speaker 3: this offseason, this is a stress free off season. I
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Speaker 3: refuse to get worked up this off season over anything
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Speaker 3: that happens because they just finally took care of business
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Speaker 3: and exercised some real demons last year.
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Speaker 1: And the only thing that you can kind of get
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Speaker 1: worked up about is like you're a year ahead of
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Speaker 1: schedule and you have to fight yourself, do you not?
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's just me, but don't you have to
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Speaker 1: fight yourself Jackson to like how good could they really be?
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Speaker 1: I mean, how how much improvement could they show? Because
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of expecting improvement because that's what I figured
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Speaker 1: was going to happen over the course of the next
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Speaker 1: three years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point, and it's actually something I
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Speaker 3: talked about on Cigar Thoughts a little bit. Is we
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Speaker 3: didn't hear before where the Seahawks wan quicker than then
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Speaker 3: we thought. And I remember immediately jumping into dynasty mode,
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Speaker 3: how many are they going to win? You know, Russell
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Speaker 3: Wilson is coming for all of these rings, and and
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Speaker 3: you know I started to kind of use the first
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Speaker 3: championship as a springboard into projecting a bunch of stuff
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Speaker 3: and not I don't think really appreciating just how difficult
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Speaker 3: it is to go back to back, how difficult it is, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, to build what is considered a dynasty. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's only happened nine times, and you know, the first
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Speaker 3: fifty nine Super Bowl eligible years for it, and and
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Speaker 3: so this year I'm not doing that. I am going
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Speaker 3: to just enjoy every single bit of this. I'm gonna
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Speaker 3: enjoy every single bit of the pursuit for the second championship.
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Speaker 2: I love being the.
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Speaker 3: Team that is forcing the Rams to mortgage the future,
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Speaker 3: to just load up and take him down.
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Speaker 2: You know, every single piece of this.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try and be as present as possible for
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Speaker 3: as opposed to you know, starting to say, oh well
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Speaker 3: let's see there's one. Let's see how many more of
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Speaker 3: these you can rip off, because you know, as we saw,
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Speaker 3: it doesn't take much for the cracks to show and
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Speaker 3: for you know, feeling like you almost have to start
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Speaker 3: all over again. So that being said, I do also
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Speaker 3: expect them to improve, which is crazy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think you got the right perspective. You're
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Speaker 1: keeping it in check. Jackson Bevans of Cigar Thoughts in
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Speaker 1: fl joining us here does a tremendous Seahawks podcast, blog
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Speaker 1: and blogging for years about this team, and of course
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Speaker 1: we lean on him when we can as well. All Right,
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Speaker 1: so let's get into the Seahawks one series. What player
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Speaker 1: are you wanting to break down for an entire interview
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Speaker 1: here today?
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Speaker 3: You know, I appreciate y'all giving me the chance to choose,
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Speaker 3: and and you know, Chuck, we've worked together a fair amount.
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Speaker 2: You know, we we've done.
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Speaker 3: Some crossover work with Whitewater Drafting series. We've you know,
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Speaker 3: you've been on Cigar Thoughts, I've been on your show,
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Speaker 3: and and I think one thing that you know about
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Speaker 3: me is I really do like to lean into the
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Speaker 3: numbers and the analytics, not not to make a point
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Speaker 3: or necessarily to form an opinion, but to see how
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Speaker 3: supportive that you know of an opinion.
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Speaker 2: I should be thrown all that out the.
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Speaker 3: Window, because when it comes to offensive line play.
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Speaker 2: It really is do you have it or you or
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Speaker 2: do you not?
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Speaker 3: And we're talking about grades Abel today because that guy
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Speaker 3: just has it. And I'm always so hesitant to put
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Speaker 3: too much emphasis into what I see in the season
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Speaker 3: from rookies. For all of the usual caveats, but that
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Speaker 3: opening series against the Chiefs in the preseason last year,
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Speaker 3: he put like three dudes on their back and you
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Speaker 3: watch his college tape and it is so dominant, so dominant,
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Speaker 3: They're like, Okay, this guy projected first round NFL playing
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Speaker 3: against FCS guys surrounded by great lineman and you know,
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Speaker 3: skill position players relative to the guys that they're playing.
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Speaker 3: Of course he's going to look dominant. I needed him
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Speaker 3: to look like he belonged, and he looked dominant on
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Speaker 3: that drive, and so you start to get a little
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Speaker 3: bit excited. Fast forward five months and he's flattening the
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Speaker 3: one guy on the Patriots I'm scared could win the
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Speaker 3: game for them in the Super Bowl on the first play,
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Speaker 3: and then tells him I'm ready.
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Speaker 2: To die today.
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Speaker 3: Like when you talk about whether you have it or not,
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how many rookies I've ever seen on
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Speaker 3: this team immediately have it the way Grey's Able does.
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Speaker 1: And yet we had two of them last year. And again,
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Speaker 1: kind of in reference to the topic we just discussed,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to put too much expectation
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Speaker 1: on a couple of guys that took the League by
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Speaker 1: Storm and were huge factors in winning a super Bowl
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Speaker 1: their very first season in the league. And yet it
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Speaker 1: is hard not to wonder how much better Emon Worri
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Speaker 1: can get and how much better Gray Zabel has a
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Speaker 1: chance to become. What are your thoughts, since we are
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Speaker 1: talking one series about Gray Zabel, what's the ceiling on
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Speaker 1: this guy?
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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing is, I don't even think he
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Speaker 3: was like anywhere close to what we can see from
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Speaker 3: him last year with how well Seattle ran the ball
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Speaker 3: down the stretch last few games of the regular season, honestly,
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Speaker 3: really outside of funny enough, the two Rams games after
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Speaker 3: that first Rams lost with all the turnovers, they really
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Speaker 3: stopped trying to build the entire plane out of Jackson,
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Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba and took the ball out of Darnold's
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Speaker 3: hands a little bit, but and ran the ball really well,
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Speaker 3: especially in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a dominant run performance, but it's
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Speaker 2: easy to forget this team couldn't.
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Speaker 3: Run at all until like Thanksgiving like at all, and
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Speaker 3: it was really really difficult for the Kubiak offense to
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Speaker 3: do what they wanted to do, and a lot of
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Speaker 3: that happened at center and right guard. But you also
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Speaker 3: were seeing Zabel have a number of plays where he
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Speaker 3: was blocking almost defensively, and he was good in past protection,
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Speaker 3: but not great. The thing that's so encouraging to me
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Speaker 3: is those are the types of things like we saw
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Speaker 3: enough from his footwork and his handwork to say that
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Speaker 3: he has the baseline where I no longer have to
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Speaker 3: worry about him being a liability. I no longer have
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Speaker 3: to worry about him being someone the other team targets,
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Speaker 3: which is like the baseline for NFL offensive line play.
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Speaker 3: You see enough flashes of dominance that you can look
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Speaker 3: at this and say, all right, this is not a
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Speaker 3: guy who needs to gamble. This is a guy who
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Speaker 3: only had five penalties as a rookie, only three, you know,
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Speaker 3: three holding penalties, And it's like, Okay, these plays that
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Speaker 3: he's getting beat, it's not because he's having to cheat
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Speaker 3: because he's not fast enough or not strong enough. Sometimes
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Speaker 3: you just get beat at the NFL level. But the
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Speaker 3: way that he has also won the majority of his
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Speaker 3: reps against established, extremely good NFL interior defenders makes me say, like,
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Speaker 3: there is a leap that can be made here. I'm
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Speaker 3: sure he would tell you the same thing, and for
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Speaker 3: the first time in over a decade, you had an
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Speaker 3: offensive line in Seattle playing with confidence. And we have
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Speaker 3: confidence in the guys next to you and don't need
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Speaker 3: to worry about covering for their mistakes, which is what
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Speaker 3: you saw over the final month of the postseason. That's
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Speaker 3: where you can really start to take offense and offensive line.
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Speaker 3: And I think Zabel is as talented as any of them.
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Speaker 1: Jackson Bevans is with us. Of course, you can follow
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Speaker 1: him at Jackson Bevans. That's jacso in he spells it
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Speaker 1: a little different than Smith and Jigba, and then also
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Speaker 1: at Cigar Thoughts NFL as so we do our Seahawks.
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Speaker 1: So one series, it's one analyst breaking down one key
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Speaker 1: Seahawk player for one entire interview. And Jackson has zoned
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Speaker 1: in on our left guard, Gray Zabel getting ready for
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Speaker 1: his second season in the National Football League and already
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Speaker 1: has himself a championship ring as a primary member of
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Speaker 1: the team. And so let's talk about the group at
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Speaker 1: large while you know, keeping Zabel at the heart of
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Speaker 1: this next question. I've been here now going on eleven years.
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Speaker 1: I have never been in Seattle without Seahawk fans. Complaining
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Speaker 1: about the offensive line until now. This is like the
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Speaker 1: first offseason that we have I've not heard Seahawk fans
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Speaker 1: say we need help on the offensive line. So where
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Speaker 1: are you with the health of this overall group, the
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Speaker 1: strength of this overall group, and how Gray Zabel fits into.
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Speaker 2: All of that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Nick, no mistake, the Seahawks need help
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Speaker 3: on the offensive line.
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Speaker 1: They still need it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, so do like twenty seven or twenty eight
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Speaker 3: teams every single year. I think it is so easy
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Speaker 3: to underestimate just how difficult it is to find five
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Speaker 3: reliable offensive linemen and put them on one team in
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Speaker 3: the NFL. And it's why we're seeing guards who aren't
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Speaker 3: being recent by their own team fetched north of twenty
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Speaker 3: million a year in free agency.
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Speaker 2: It is just really difficult. But for the.
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Speaker 3: First time, probably since you've been in this market, they
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Speaker 3: have three out of five that you can count on.
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Speaker 3: I don't have like a ton of confidence in the
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Speaker 3: center right guard position yet, you know, maybe you know,
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Speaker 3: both Stevens helps with that. Maybe we see a step
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Speaker 3: forward from either Sondel or Bradford. But like, make no mistake,
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Speaker 3: those guys are who other defenses are targeting and so there,
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Speaker 3: I still think there are a couple of weaker links
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Speaker 3: in that chain.
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Speaker 2: Can't say they can't get coached up and get better.
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Speaker 3: Can't say there isn't going to be development from someone else,
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Speaker 3: maybe Christian Haynes, that you know, improves that. I don't
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Speaker 3: think this is a great offensive line. I think that
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Speaker 3: they have three potentially great offensive linemen, and there's not
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Speaker 3: a lot of teams who can say that. I think
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Speaker 3: when they're at their best, Cross and Lucas give you
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Speaker 3: a top five to top seven tackle tandem in the NFL.
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Speaker 3: And I think grays Abel is already showing himself to
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Speaker 3: be an above average NFL guard. That is a huge,
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Speaker 3: huge improvement in terms of the baseline of your offensive line.
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Speaker 3: But this is by no means a complete line.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but not a weakness either. Maybe not like
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Speaker 1: it hasn't been in the.
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Speaker 2: Path for the first time.
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Speaker 1: They are not a week yeah yeah. And so when
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Speaker 1: you think about the prospects of an already very good
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Speaker 1: RAMS team, maybe even great RAMS team, and you know
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Speaker 1: what happened last week, and adding Miles Garrett and even
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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and just make this scenario as scary
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Speaker 1: as possible Aaron Donald comes back too. Okay, how do
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Speaker 1: you feel about Zabel and company holding up against this group?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess as well as you can about
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Speaker 3: any other line holding up against that group. The Rams
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Speaker 3: are putting together the Avengers on on the other side,
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Speaker 3: but they're doing it because they couldn't get past Seattle
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Speaker 3: last year. And you know, it's it is a compliment
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Speaker 3: to Seattle the way that they're loading up and and
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Speaker 3: so you know, I think that if the Rams win
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Speaker 3: the NFC Championship game last year, they do not make
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Speaker 3: that trade. So I mean, look, they're going to have
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Speaker 3: some hilarious games the Rams this year where it's just
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Speaker 3: it's gonna look like varsity versus JV in the trenches.
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Speaker 3: It's just and that's going to happen against Seattle too.
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Speaker 3: It's it would be silly to think otherwise that if
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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett is healthy, Brayden Fisk is healthy, if Aaron
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Speaker 3: Donald is out there and we all know how still
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Speaker 3: been training, Yeah, they're gonna have some absolutely comical dominant performances.
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Speaker 3: I wish I could say, oh, well, you know, Brian
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Speaker 3: Flurry has this drawn up scheme or handle it. Look,
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Speaker 3: there's no there's no freaking scheme for Miles Garrett. There is, yeah,
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Speaker 3: And you know, he's the most dominant player I've seen
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Speaker 3: on that side of the football since Aaron Donald. And
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Speaker 3: if we're gonna throw even eighty percent of what Aaron
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Speaker 3: Donald was back onto that roster there, nobody's nobody's got
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Speaker 3: the guys for that.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to out scheme it.
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Speaker 3: And you're gonna have to find a way on defense
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Speaker 3: to put the clamps on the Rams in ways that
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Speaker 3: they really couldn't do even in those two games that
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Speaker 3: they won last year.
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Speaker 1: Jackson Beabins, I'm breaking down Gary's Abel, Gray's Abel for
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Speaker 1: us here in our Seahawks one series, one analyst that
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Speaker 1: you know and like, breaking down one key Seahawk player
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Speaker 1: that you know and like for one entire interview here
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Speaker 1: on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings and so well,
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Speaker 1: just to bring this full circle, your opening comments, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you say he's got it. I mean you're taking away
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Speaker 1: all the numbers, all the data and just saying he's
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Speaker 1: got it. I mean usually when people say that is
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Speaker 1: because they don't really know how else to describe it.
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Speaker 1: But you're a master of words. We do this for
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Speaker 1: a living here, So what on what is it that
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Speaker 1: you think? Is it about Gray's Abel? And does that
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Speaker 1: include the fact that we have a left guard who
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Speaker 1: drinks cheap beer and that fits into the he's got
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Speaker 1: it category?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, he's he's a left guard straight
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Speaker 3: out of Central casting in terms. Yeah, if you're making
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Speaker 3: a football movie and you're going to be given some lines.
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Speaker 2: To your guard for some reason, you are casting Grey's Abel.
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Speaker 2: You know, he he looks the part, he acts the part.
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Speaker 2: It feels genuine.
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Speaker 3: But when I say you got it, I don't think
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Speaker 3: it's possible to overstate just how insane an NFL, a
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Speaker 3: really good NFL player is, And when you're talking about
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Speaker 3: interior defensive line, and when you're talking about arguably the
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Speaker 3: strongest guys on the field, full of the strongest guys,
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Speaker 3: And when I say you've got it, I don't mean
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Speaker 3: here's this play here or there, here's a funny line
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Speaker 3: in the media. What I mean is the ability to
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Speaker 3: go heads up with those dudes sixty times in a
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Speaker 3: row and win more than you lose. He played ninety
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Speaker 3: nine percent of the snaps as a rookie. That is insane.
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Speaker 3: He started forty six games in college, didn't miss a
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Speaker 3: single one, played eleven games as a freshman the year
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Speaker 3: before that, didn't miss any games due to injury, hardly
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Speaker 3: missed any snaps at any point in his football career.
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Speaker 3: But again it comes back to the biggest moment of
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Speaker 3: his life, the first snap of the Super Bowl, going
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Speaker 3: up against an all Pro, putting that dude on his
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Speaker 3: back and then telling him I am ready to die today.
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Speaker 2: He was not looking around like, oh my gosh, I
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Speaker 2: did that. Wow? What that was cool?
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Speaker 3: He was like, no, I want you to know this
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Speaker 3: is going to be the worst day of your life today.
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Speaker 1: I really do mean it. I mean when I see
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Speaker 1: Jackson Bevans on a show and he's doing that, uh
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Speaker 1: that cigar, and it's always some big, giant, you know,
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Speaker 1: spectacular looking thing, I'm like, man, why didn't I take
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Speaker 1: up that hobby? It looks so cool when he does
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Speaker 1: that with that cigar. So what's the key? What's the
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Speaker 1: key to a good cigar? Jackson? And looking cool while
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Speaker 1: smoking it?
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about looking thing, all right, thank you.
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Speaker 4: The biggest thing is you just you just can't let
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Speaker 4: the smoke bug.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, you just got to immerse yourself in anything.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also just kind of like a breathing
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Speaker 3: technique that that you learned.
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Speaker 2: But in terms of what you know sets.
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Speaker 3: Apart a good cigar, you know a lot of people
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Speaker 3: want to focus on this is how it smells. These
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Speaker 3: are the no so the taste all that stuff is
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Speaker 3: important to me too, But really it's constructions. How well
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Speaker 3: does it burn? You know, are the flames going to
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Speaker 3: run down one side? Is it going to tunnel down
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Speaker 3: the middle? Does it get hot when you still have
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Speaker 3: half your cigar left and now you're fighting it? And
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Speaker 3: so you know, there's just certain brands and certain construction
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Speaker 3: methods that that I look for.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, analytics bring that down.
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Speaker 5: With your bragging about his cigar smoking.
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Speaker 1: How many do you smoke? Though? By the way, I mean,
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Speaker 1: is that like a daily like I got home from
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Speaker 1: work and I need to put my feet up and
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Speaker 1: grab a cigar or is that just for like special events?
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Speaker 3: No, I'd say somewhere in between. Okay, No, it's it's
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Speaker 3: it's something where you know, it's.
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Speaker 2: A really enjoyable process for me.
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Speaker 3: I don't want it to become abbot, but it is
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Speaker 3: something I enjoy, you know, trying to be pretty disciplined
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Speaker 3: in the other areas of my life. And that's that's
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Speaker 3: one thing that you know, I'm willing to lean into
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Speaker 3: a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Got it, Got it understood? All right? Man, Well, thank
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Speaker 1: you very much. Great to catch up, good to hear you,
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Speaker 1: great stuff on gray'sable and what do you say, let's go,
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Speaker 1: let's go have a football season? What do you say?
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Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm I'm so ready, I'm so ready. Check.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me man.
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Speaker 1: Jackson Evans joining us again. It's his Cigar Thoughts podcast.
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Speaker 1: He's been doing it for years, does a great job
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Speaker 1: with it. Check it out at Cigar Thoughts NFL, and
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Speaker 1: of course you can just follow him personally as well
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Speaker 1: at Jackson Bevans. All right, so there you go, Seahawks
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Speaker 1: one series. We'll do it again tomorrow, but a great
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Speaker 1: breakdown there of Gray's abel from Jackson Bevans. Coming up next,
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Speaker 1: Luis Castillo.
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Speaker 6: Enough Matt sat down and brings the McKinstry. We've seen
20:21
Speaker 6: some really good stuff early on from Louis Castillo. Through
20:24
Speaker 6: two innings already six and swings and misses. That is
20:27
Speaker 6: another strikeout on another pitch up from Luis Castillo. He
20:32
Speaker 6: has been living upstairs and it's been working out.
20:37
Speaker 5: It looks fixed, it looks good.
20:40
Speaker 1: Let me look good. Yeah that.
20:41
Speaker 7: I left that game yesterday thinking, well, at least I'm
20:43
Speaker 7: not mad at Castillo too. At least I'm not irritated
20:47
Speaker 7: with that situation because that.
20:48
Speaker 1: Was good all right. Since the piggyback, that's four outings
20:53
Speaker 1: and I thought he's he's looked good in all of them.
20:56
Speaker 1: He's dropped his ERA from six point four to one
20:59
Speaker 1: to five point one six in that time, so lowered
21:03
Speaker 1: it one point three runs per game in the span
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Speaker 1: of just four outings, and I do say outings because
21:10
Speaker 1: one start, three no two starts, two relief appearances mixed
21:14
Speaker 1: in the piggyback. So I don't know if this was
21:17
Speaker 1: an expected result, an intended result, or or not. But
21:23
Speaker 1: they are getting great results from Bryce Miller, who looks
21:27
Speaker 1: like our best picture right now, and Luis Castillo who
21:30
Speaker 1: looks back to being Luis Castillo again. So maybe an
21:34
Speaker 1: unintended consequence, an unintended benefit from we have too many pictures,
21:39
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do, Let's create, get creative, let's
21:42
Speaker 1: think outside the box. And it's almost as if it's
21:45
Speaker 1: sharpened Castillo, like nothing has to this point this year.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been incredible to watch.
21:51
Speaker 7: And you know, I know a lot of people still
21:53
Speaker 7: very irritated about the piggyback, but it is I'm sure,
21:57
Speaker 7: right just saying that they've got to be mad, but
21:59
Speaker 7: you cannot look because I think we were all kind
22:02
Speaker 7: of holding our breath for this start, right Like, Okay,
22:04
Speaker 7: now that he's got the you know, this is his
22:07
Speaker 7: start his game. We don't know how long he's going
22:09
Speaker 7: to go. It's not a piggyback situation. How is it
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Speaker 7: going to go?
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Speaker 5: And he impressed. He did more than his job.
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Speaker 7: He was great, And I left that game thinking, all right,
22:19
Speaker 7: good work, you earned that.
22:21
Speaker 1: Now enough nice stuff. Yeah, that's enough of that.
22:24
Speaker 5: That's right now.
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Speaker 7: Maybe maybe Mariners be creative like you were with that
22:27
Speaker 7: with other things.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, well, there's not a lot of great
22:31
Speaker 1: things to say. I did want to acknowledge Luis Castillo today,
22:35
Speaker 1: but this team blew a game they should have never blown.
22:40
Speaker 1: They led throughout the contest, they were up with cushion
22:45
Speaker 1: late in the game at four to one when Castillo left,
22:49
Speaker 1: And there's no excuse for losing this game. There are reasons,
22:53
Speaker 1: but there's no excuse. You should have salted this one away,
22:57
Speaker 1: and you gave it away quite frankly and in a
22:59
Speaker 1: lot of ways. But certainly the bullpen lets the team down,
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Speaker 1: most notably Andres Munos, who blows his fifth save of
23:07
Speaker 1: the season. And we're only on June eighth, yesterday, pitching
23:12
Speaker 1: for the first time in over five days, Munjos just
23:16
Speaker 1: was not sharp yesterday and he coughs up a four
23:20
Speaker 1: to three lead. The Tigers walk it off on a
23:23
Speaker 1: two run RBI single from rookie Kevin McGonagall. Who's very
23:27
Speaker 1: good to win it five to four and take two
23:30
Speaker 1: out of three in the series. It's the Baseball Brunch,
23:33
Speaker 1: also featuring Dan Wilson, who talked about Andres Munos after
23:38
Speaker 1: the game.
23:39
Speaker 8: Yeah, it just looked like, you know, the command wasn't there,
23:42
Speaker 8: and and you know, couldn't seem to find it, you know,
23:46
Speaker 8: with the with a couple of hitters, and you know,
23:48
Speaker 8: as we know Walkston be can can hurt and those
23:51
Speaker 8: you know, those two.
23:52
Speaker 2: Came around to hear it.
23:53
Speaker 8: But you know, it looked like.
23:56
Speaker 1: Just have a hard time find in the command.
23:58
Speaker 9: It seems like that'spending an issue on an awful season
24:01
Speaker 9: for him the earlier as the slider. Now it seems
24:03
Speaker 9: to be a little bit of trouble with the fastball
24:05
Speaker 9: he got. I feel for why he's not able to
24:08
Speaker 9: command as well so far.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know that's what's gonna happen.
24:12
Speaker 2: Don to time.
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Speaker 8: You know, I think it's been a little bit since
24:16
Speaker 8: he's been out there, but you know, sometimes.
24:18
Speaker 2: That can do it.
24:19
Speaker 8: But but you know, I hope he continues to.
24:22
Speaker 1: To keep working at it.
24:23
Speaker 10: And uh, you know, he's been our go to guy
24:26
Speaker 10: for a long time and and uh, you know, he
24:29
Speaker 10: knows how to how to pitch in those situations and
24:31
Speaker 10: and uh, that's just a tough one to lose it though.
24:33
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he almost went exclusively fastball.
24:36
Speaker 10: Was that in an effort to get that bitch?
24:38
Speaker 8: Or you know, I think, uh, just trying to you know,
24:42
Speaker 8: find that release point. And I think things kind of
24:45
Speaker 8: go off that the fastball I've got. You know, we
24:47
Speaker 8: got the quick out really really quickly there the first
24:50
Speaker 8: out of the inning, and uh and then it just
24:52
Speaker 8: seemed like he could find it after that.
24:54
Speaker 2: And uh, but.
24:56
Speaker 8: You know he bought hard to get that second out,
24:58
Speaker 8: and uh, you know, just uh, it's just I guess
25:02
Speaker 8: that's just a tough way to do that.
25:04
Speaker 9: Why was what was the thinking on going to Cooper
25:07
Speaker 9: in the seventh maybe to go the bizarreo there and
25:10
Speaker 9: then rush and potencially brash or why? I guess why
25:13
Speaker 9: was Cooper the option there?
25:14
Speaker 8: Yeah? You know, I think, uh, we felt like, you know,
25:19
Speaker 8: Coop's on the ball well for us, and that's a
25:21
Speaker 8: good pocket for him. And you know, we knew we
25:24
Speaker 8: had Gabe at the top and and what a job
25:26
Speaker 8: I gave to just run that run our third base
25:28
Speaker 8: with nobody out just outstanding pitching there and and uh,
25:33
Speaker 8: you know gave.
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Speaker 2: Us a chance to win.
25:37
Speaker 1: Uh, Dan Wilson after the game. Well, if you're just
25:41
Speaker 1: joining us, I've already gone off twice on this. And look,
25:46
Speaker 1: Andres Munjoks is not having a good season. He's lost
25:49
Speaker 1: four games, he's blown you know, five saves to this
25:52
Speaker 1: point in the year, and the numbers aren't what we
25:54
Speaker 1: expect out of Andre's Munioks. But I still see a
25:58
Speaker 1: guy with the same exact electric stuff that he's had.
26:01
Speaker 1: He's just lacked command when he struggled, He's lacked command.
26:05
Speaker 1: And as I pointed out an hour ago, that stems
26:08
Speaker 1: back for me to how little he gets used. In
26:13
Speaker 1: games where he gets zero to one day rest, he
26:16
Speaker 1: has a point nine to three er, and in games
26:19
Speaker 1: where he gets two days rest between outings or more,
26:23
Speaker 1: he has a nine point two eight er. He himself
26:27
Speaker 1: has said I need to pitch more, and yet they
26:30
Speaker 1: won't acknowledge that it is time. I don't want him
26:35
Speaker 1: to stop being our closer. I want him to be
26:36
Speaker 1: our closer, but it is time to stop using him
26:39
Speaker 1: as only a closer. And if that leads to somebody
26:43
Speaker 1: else having to close a few games here and there. Fine,
26:45
Speaker 1: I think we got a bullpen equipped to handle that.
26:48
Speaker 1: But this waiting for perfect save opportunities to use Andres
26:53
Speaker 1: Munnos is leading to him having to sit for five
26:57
Speaker 1: six days at a time. There was an unstretching, which
27:00
Speaker 1: like one time in eleven days.
27:01
Speaker 5: That's terrible.
27:02
Speaker 1: It's terrible, and he's asking for more work. He relies
27:07
Speaker 1: on rhythm, and for whatever reason, Dan will only put
27:11
Speaker 1: him in and save opportunities or when we're tied in
27:14
Speaker 1: the ninth and that's gotta stop. Okay, that's got to stop.
27:18
Speaker 1: More so than getting rid of Andre's Munnos, we need
27:22
Speaker 1: to stop just using him when it says on the
27:25
Speaker 1: scoreboard it's time for a stat because that's not what
27:29
Speaker 1: that's not how you play winning baseball. So that's number one.
27:33
Speaker 1: And then secondly, there is no excuse for using Cooper
27:36
Speaker 1: Criswell in that situation. I'm sorry the bullpen was rested enough.
27:41
Speaker 1: I realized you didn't have Matt Brash. I don't know
27:43
Speaker 1: why you didn't have Matt Brash. You decided you didn't
27:46
Speaker 1: have Matt Brash, but you had Bizarre too loose and
27:49
Speaker 1: ready to go, and you were thinking about Oh, well,
27:52
Speaker 1: Spiers got a pitch to the leadoff hitter, So let's
27:57
Speaker 1: put Criswell in here and try to steal an out
27:59
Speaker 1: or two. And even if you do steal an out
28:03
Speaker 1: or two, now you're just using Spire for a third
28:05
Speaker 1: of an inning. You're best reliever. At this point, it
28:08
Speaker 1: was overthinking it. You already had Bizarto loose, and you
28:13
Speaker 1: decided to use Kris will speed up his bullpen and
28:16
Speaker 1: get him into phase seven, eight and nine. They're worst hitters.
28:19
Speaker 1: Let's use our sixth best reliever, and you blew a
28:22
Speaker 1: three run lead. You cut it down to two. So
28:25
Speaker 1: Munios didn't have any flexibility to work with by the
28:28
Speaker 1: time he got out onto the mountain. Not that he
28:30
Speaker 1: did his job, But to me, what did we learn
28:34
Speaker 1: here today? Kids in the baseball brunch, it's number one
28:37
Speaker 1: that Munos has botched another save, But so did Dan No.
28:45
Speaker 1: I think that's what we learned today. Yeah, and you
28:47
Speaker 1: position players aren't off the hook either. Sloppy defense again,
28:51
Speaker 1: sloppy base running. You acted as if well, we got
28:55
Speaker 1: four runs that should be enough, and then you just
28:58
Speaker 1: stopped playing smart, good baseball. So they all wear this one.
29:03
Speaker 1: They all had a hand in this loss. Munjos is
29:07
Speaker 1: going to take it harder than anybody else, and he's
29:10
Speaker 1: probably deserves the most criticism out there. But coaches, players,
29:15
Speaker 1: they all had a hand in blowing a game they
29:18
Speaker 1: should have never blown.
29:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.
29:20
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
29:20
Speaker 7: The only one who is who can say my hands
29:22
Speaker 7: are clean is Castile.
29:24
Speaker 1: That's it. That's because he's a rocky out of the Mummy.
29:27
Speaker 5: It's a fist.
29:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Keeping above your head, you won't get
29:30
Speaker 1: your hands dirty, all right? Coming up next apparently a
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Speaker 1: is no way like judging anyone out there and how
29:47
Speaker 1: you spend your money. That's one thing that I consistently
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Speaker 1: have done throughout my career. I will never tell anybody,
29:53
Speaker 1: like on sports talk radio, how to spend your money
29:56
Speaker 1: or what to spend it on, or anything like that.
29:59
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I'm wondering, Ashley, how much money
30:04
Speaker 1: I'd have to have personally that I would spend six
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars to sit in the rafters for Game three
30:12
Speaker 1: of the NBA Finals at Madison Square Garden.
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Speaker 7: I this is the problem with it though, right, because
30:18
Speaker 7: if you have enough money that it's like, oh, money's
30:20
Speaker 7: no objects. You're not only spending six thousand dollars to
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Speaker 7: sit in the rafters.
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Speaker 1: That's like, but somebody is as the lowest price to
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Speaker 1: get in is six thousand dollars.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's which is ridiculous.
30:31
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's people, I mean, people who are probably like,
30:33
Speaker 7: I've waited my whole life for this.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna right, Yeah, I don't know.
30:37
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. I'm not passing any judgment. If somebody's like,
30:39
Speaker 1: I'd do that in a heartbeat. Yeah, you spend your
30:42
Speaker 1: money however you want. I'm just saying from my perspective,
30:46
Speaker 1: like I don't think I don't think I could be
30:50
Speaker 1: worth six trillion dollars, and I'm not sure that I
30:52
Speaker 1: would do that. I think I'd be much more rapt
30:56
Speaker 1: Like there's a girl that bags my groceries, said Hagen,
30:59
Speaker 1: and she's awesome, She's just really awesome at what she does,
31:03
Speaker 1: and I think I would just like give her six
31:05
Speaker 1: thousand dollars just to like make her day. Just like
31:08
Speaker 1: you're really good and you always have a great positive attitude,
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Speaker 1: and this can't be the greatest job in the world,
31:13
Speaker 1: and you probably deal with jerks all the time and scumbags,
31:15
Speaker 1: and yet you keep that smile on your face and
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Speaker 1: you're proficient and you do get it right every single time.
31:21
Speaker 1: Here's six thousand dollars. I think I'd spend it on that. Yeah,
31:25
Speaker 1: for if I had like a ridiculous amount of money before,
31:28
Speaker 1: I would spend six thousand dollars to go sit in
31:31
Speaker 1: the rafters and watch a game that I'd probably have
31:33
Speaker 1: a lot better time watching at home.
31:35
Speaker 7: Agreed, Because again, yeah, at the same time, when you
31:37
Speaker 7: have a lot of money too, you're like, I have
31:39
Speaker 7: too much money to sit in the rafters. Yeah, yeah,
31:43
Speaker 7: so I that's.
31:44
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some people that get off on a
31:46
Speaker 1: crowd and being a part of the crowd there they're
31:49
Speaker 1: just I mean, I've dated girls that way that just
31:51
Speaker 1: like you don't want to go out, you don't want
31:52
Speaker 1: to go be a part of that, you want to
31:54
Speaker 1: go get in that mob. I know that really just
31:57
Speaker 1: does not really interest me. I think, you know, if
32:01
Speaker 1: I'm a Knicks fan and I've got that much money,
32:04
Speaker 1: I'm having people over to my mansion, a hand selected
32:08
Speaker 1: group of Dieard Nick fans that are also great friends
32:13
Speaker 1: of mine, and we share that moment together and we
32:16
Speaker 1: get to pee without having to disturb other people.
32:19
Speaker 5: Right, and your drinks won't cost you forty dollars.
32:21
Speaker 1: Well at that point, I don't think you're worried about that,
32:24
Speaker 1: the cost of drinks, But that's true. That's crazy thought.
32:29
Speaker 1: Take it. And New York's been waiting for this for
32:30
Speaker 1: a long long time, so it's gonna be quite. I mean,
32:33
Speaker 1: it's just Game three. They can't obviously wrap it up tonight,
32:37
Speaker 1: but they they're tasting it. They this is one of
32:41
Speaker 1: those situations where they're pretty much like already counting on
32:44
Speaker 1: it happening and they just got burned doing that one
32:46
Speaker 1: year ago.
32:47
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's I mean, all I keep hearing about is
32:49
Speaker 7: how excited everyone in New York is for this, And
32:52
Speaker 7: you know, I do feel bad that they can't be
32:54
Speaker 7: outside because I think, like with the Stanley Cup playoffs
32:57
Speaker 7: and the Stanley Cup just the whole journey, one of
33:00
Speaker 7: my favorite things to see is when the away team
33:03
Speaker 7: wins and you get to see the crowd, or when
33:05
Speaker 7: you see the crowd outside of the arena that couldn't
33:07
Speaker 7: get in and they're all out there watching on a
33:09
Speaker 7: big screen and cheering and celebrating. I always think that's
33:11
Speaker 7: so fun, and they can't do that tonight because the
33:14
Speaker 7: President will be there. But on one of the shows before us,
33:16
Speaker 7: they were like they should have just like let New
33:19
Speaker 7: York have this one and then he could have gone
33:21
Speaker 7: to Game four. I'm like, well, that would have been
33:23
Speaker 7: worse because that's the one they if they win tonight,
33:25
Speaker 7: they could close it out on that one. Like, you
33:28
Speaker 7: couldn't deprive them of Game four not being able to
33:30
Speaker 7: be out there.
33:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know.
33:33
Speaker 7: I'd I'm not a crowd person either, so being out there,
33:36
Speaker 7: being in there wouldn't like.
33:38
Speaker 5: My nightmare would be. I mean, you go to Times
33:40
Speaker 5: Square on New Year's Eve, that would be awful if.
33:42
Speaker 1: Be one of those things. Like if I was there
33:45
Speaker 1: and could get in, I'd go. Yeah, I mean for
33:49
Speaker 1: the experience, I'd certainly go. But am I going to
33:52
Speaker 1: spend six thousand dollars to sit in the nosebleeds just
33:56
Speaker 1: to be a part of that scene.
33:58
Speaker 7: No, there's not a lot of things I would spend
34:00
Speaker 7: six dollars on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have to be.
34:05
Speaker 7: There's not a lot of things, especially not to spend
34:08
Speaker 7: six thousand dollars for something that would be over in
34:10
Speaker 7: three hours. There's definitely not a lot of things I
34:12
Speaker 7: would spend.
34:13
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not so like anti Knicks that, hey,
34:18
Speaker 1: it's time. It's been a long time since they won
34:21
Speaker 1: a championship, and so if if they get to do that,
34:24
Speaker 1: good on the Knicks. Yeah, but there's a bigger part
34:27
Speaker 1: of me that is like, I kind of hope you
34:30
Speaker 1: get beaten by fifty tonight.
34:33
Speaker 5: Because you're charging people an arm and.
34:35
Speaker 1: A leg for tickets. I kind of hope you're losing six. Yeah,
34:39
Speaker 1: Like the Spurs are just like, okay, it's time to
34:41
Speaker 1: start playing ball. We forgot for a couple of games.
34:44
Speaker 7: We just wanted all these people to spend a boatload
34:46
Speaker 7: of money to come here so we can embarrass the
34:48
Speaker 7: Nicks in front of them.
34:49
Speaker 1: I mean, you spend six thousand dollars just sitting in
34:51
Speaker 1: the nose bleeds, not even close to Timothy Challomagne. No, yeah,
34:57
Speaker 1: you're not even going to get near him, and you
34:59
Speaker 1: watch your team lose by fifty five points. Yeah, I'm
35:02
Speaker 1: rooting for that.
35:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be fun. I'm not chaos.
35:07
Speaker 1: I don't hate the idea that Nicks finally get their
35:10
Speaker 1: championship and they have a ball tonight. But what it
35:13
Speaker 1: would be funnier, Yes, as if you lost by fifty.
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