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Interview with Lisa Stokke | Awakening and Mothering · Alive & Kicking: Stories of Waking Up with Kay Eck

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Alive and Kicking Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Kay Eck, and this is where we talk to ordinary people about their extraordinary lives.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the podcast, everybody.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is actually take two of my interview with Lisa Stokey.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yesterday we tried to connect and we had all kinds of problems, including technology and injuries and weird telephone line juju.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what all was going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm so happy to be here with you today and welcome.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Kay.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm really happy to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been looking forward to this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one of the things that also before I get started, I just want to give a shout out to all the alive and kicking listeners and watchers.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate so much your dedication to personal growth and to learning through the stories of others.
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  SPEAKER_01: And hopefully I'll get to share your story one day.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Lisa, one of the things that you and I have in common, and we've known each other for a number of years now, one of the things that we have in common is that we both have four children, four grown children, also three boys and a girl.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think your order is a little bit different from mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um, so I one of the things that I really want to talk about today, amongst other things, is the parenting of grown children, which um is really interesting and definitely not what I expected it would be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um that, I mean, even just saying those words like parenting grown children, it's a little bit odd, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I do want to get into that, and I hope that our conversation leads us there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I thought that we would start with um could you possibly tell us a little bit about your relationship with your parents when you were a child and then later on, and how you kind of learned from that and grew from that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just jump right in the deep end there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, okay.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I guess that's why you don't give questions up front.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, no, it's okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll just be totally candid when you said that about um my parents in my childhood.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they I immediately felt like these tears welling up right here.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I've been, I hope I don't cry, but I've been in, I I think it's just because I have been in that process over the last, I don't know, 48 hours actually, or even since we tried to connect.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, we've had the uh energetically, it's been um really bumpy, you know, which isn't totally uncommon for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have those, you know, roller coasters with um energy, I guess, you know, how I process things in my life and experience them and release them and you know, ride it higher.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: But um I had, you know, I had I told you earlier I had an injury yesterday, which was such a freak accident.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just I fell into the countertop.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, if I hadn't repaired it, you would see probably a bruise right here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but what it did, as I was kind of alluding to earlier, is that it really helped to ground and center me.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what you know I've learned has happened to us when we do have, you know, trauma or even elation or like our births of our children or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's those things that really bring you into center in your present moment, and I think offer the opportunity to connect you to your spirit, and so that's what I've been experiencing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the interesting thing is that as I've had that experience, I've just had all kinds of tears, you know, flowing.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't even, I it's not mental at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know what it's really about, but um it offered me that opportunity, you know, as um kind of painful and traumatic as that was, that's what the opportunity was for me, was to bring me into present moment and to release.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um with that um background, um, my childhood, um I think that that my childhood taught me that, if you will, was how to um be strong because I didn't I didn't experience a lot of uh support for um who I was as a child, um, which I think is really common.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I'm unique in that way, but I remember as a child being really aware of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um my veils were pretty thin when I incarnated.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I remember, for example, the experience of my grandfather who had died two years before I was born.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the adults around me were always telling me that I didn't know him and he died.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I had to really work hard to process that and believe that it didn't make any sense to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then as I got much older, I and I learned more about incarnation and how this reality works and the infinite nature of our beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, then I became it gave me burn context for understanding my experiences as a child.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I was born, you know, um logistically, I guess I was born into a family in the Midwest in North Iowa, um, where I raised my four kids until I was 45, until 2014 when I moved here to Boulder, Colorado.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, that was, and my parents were very religious, you know, Christian.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you just I used to have to go to church three times a week.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I think I incarnated into um an existence that kept me safe, you know, and and sheltered in a sense, but it was also very controlling.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, I think that there's obviously a lot of opportunities in that that I have um taken from it, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: As far as like finding really finding who you are.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like my son, when he has driven through snowstorms with me when he was first learning to drive, he would, he's a very, you know, wise young man, Sam, who's 20 now, he would say, you know, you don't become a good sailor in um, you know, peaceful seas.
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  unknown: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so would you say that kind of sums up your childhood?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it just I feel like when you're in that kind of environment, it really forces you to either choose to conform to what doesn't feel uh good, good, I guess, for lack of a better word, good to you, or right, or in alignment with who you truly are, or it kind of forces you to really own that and develop those characteristics and uh those skills and capacity to to develop that and express that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I'm still doing it, but right, right, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what how do you describe this?
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  SPEAKER_01: The um the statement that you made about the veils being very thin for you when you were young.
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  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um it means that I was very aware that there was always something, you know, greater than me, something well beyond the experience that I was having.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, I had the capacity to um leave this experience when I was young, leave my identity as Lisa.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like I said, I didn't understand that when I was young.
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  SPEAKER_00: These were just experiences I was having.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was sensitive to um, you know, beings and I guess other dimensional realities.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: And um I lost my grandmother when I was very young.
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  SPEAKER_00: I literally just found out um maybe a month ago that I was five when she died.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I I never knew what age I was actually.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: And my son shared that with me, what year she died, just the other day when he was back home at my parents.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so she was as much as my parents, you know, loved me and did a really good job, you know, keeping me safe and caring for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think they kind of struggled to express that unconditional love.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my grandmother, um, my paternal grandmother, she did that for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was my source as a child of unconditional love.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I just I always felt accepted and loved by her.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so she so her dying when I was five was like losing a mother for me.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: My that was my mother experience, and so um I ultimately just found a way to connect with her, or maybe her with me, or both.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so when I was young, um I was meditating, is what I realized when I began to do meditation more in my 30s.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I know this, I know this experience.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it's always been very easy for me, you know, to meditate, meaning, you know, connect with my my pure self, my higher self, or whatever you know we call it, my spirit.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I would do that.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: I would just um when I would be going to sleep, I could feel when it was happening, and I would I would just literally leave my body.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it was very comforting that I was able to be there with her.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: So um I think that just kind of trained me for uh, you know, all the things that I would go on to do with healing work and of individuals and the planet and humanity and so forth.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I I'm getting is this correct if I'm saying it this way, that your experience of spirituality was much different than your parents.
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  SPEAKER_01: And was it their view that whatever you were experiencing was in direct conflict with what their understanding of spirituality was?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd I'd say that's the first statement.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that must have been hard for them.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I think it was.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I don't think, you know, I don't, I still don't think they know how to necessarily experience it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: My my mother, um, I know she felt like she was doing for my benefit.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not bashing her when I say that I would have books on like Buddhism or you know, different alternative um uh, you know, biographies or whatever on the life of Jesus or um Native American, you know, tarot cards or whatever, she would just toss that stuff in the trash, you know, when I was a kid, or you know, when I was a teenager, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, I think that that was that was a struggle for me for a long time because I really wanted them to know who I was and accept me, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, now I guess I guess I came around to accepting them is really what happened in our relationship.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd say they accept me if they even if they don't know a lot about my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's kind of that experience that we have, I would say that's more on that higher self-level, that heart level, where we connect because lots of times words and ideas and conversation can really get in the way, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we kind of don't have that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And maybe that's something that we could probably use a little bit more of.
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  SPEAKER_01: A little more conversation and yeah, you know, it's it's not hard to understand how this sort of dynamic gets established because they've been told that they're responsible for your relationship with God, and that if they don't train you to accept, you know, whatever Jesus or God in a certain way, that you're gonna be in serious trouble.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's you know, it comes from a place of love, but it unfortunately the the the parameters of how that how the relationship with God or spirit um takes place can be vast.
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  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes we're taught that that's you know, gotta be this way or the highway or the or the hallway, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: My father genuinely believes I'm going to hell.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, for me, I hate that for him.
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  SPEAKER_01: For him, interesting, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because that's a suffering, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like he's carrying such a heavy burden that, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and in that way, or um, I don't know, for lack of a better word, organized religion or very dogmatic way of approaching Christianity.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've I've gone through my stages with that of being really angry and upset with the way that you know, we've been introduced to that through fear and not through um, you know, what what I believe that you know Christ or Jesus' experience was here, you know, was to really more open up the world to us, more open up what this reality is, more open up to our our truest selves.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I don't believe that his experience was here to introduce us to be fearful.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it was really the opposite.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so in my 20s, I I went through a lot of anger, you know, at religion and really rejected it in a big way because I began to see how it people it impacted people, you know, introduced more fear into their lives, you know, rather than you know, opening them up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I know you know all of this, but um and experienced that as well in your own way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, I hate that for for my father because it is a burden for him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Lisa, can you can you see ways in which I feel like this is such a common experience um to motherhood?
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you see ways in which you feel responsible for the um the way your children live their lives?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a kind of a loaded question.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: You already know the answer.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'll be honest and candid.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's been that's been a path for for me for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm really deep in it right now, um, with one of my children, because my in particular, um, I have it with all my kids, but one in particular, of you know, letting go.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: And as you've often very wisely reminded me, you know, that the same spirit, the same energy, God, whatever it is that cares for me is the same, you know, that holds all of my children.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so I continue to lean into that, and that even though um my children don't always uh make the choices that I think I think is for their good, um, I just have to keep leaning into that trust.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I when I communicate now, I communicate with their highest self is what I is what I do.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I was just gonna say that this um like motherhood at a certain point, you know, like when the children are small, you are responsible for them in all these different ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then at some point, which isn't always clear, it switches over where they're responsible for themselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the but the process of extricating yourself from that growth path that they're on is so incredibly tricky, and there's so much in it for us.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know how I would have gotten through, or I'm not through it, but yeah, because I'm still alive and I still have children, but I don't know how I would gotten have gotten through that process without really believing that they chose their soul on a soul level, they chose everything about their life, their life experience.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how I would have ever yeah, it it that could that could just be an illusion, and and I would be so happy for it because I don't know how how I would get through otherwise when you care so much about somebody to to be able to detach from what they're going through.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is a really difficult journey.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you recall like for your various um and it happens at different stages for different children?
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can remember at what when my kids were 18 or maybe a little bit older, I would I took some keys and I said, I'm handing your life over to you.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: You are now making your own decisions.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, it didn't happen, you know, like that.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, there was lots of messiness, but at a certain point, I wanted to make clear to them that they were now, you know, responsible for their lives.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: But so can you talk a little bit about the how that you know has occurred for you with your kids?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll try.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think we have enough time because I have four.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'll try to sum it up.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's because it is different for as you know, and you have four.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I learned a long time ago that each of my kids get a different mother, you know, because because of who they are.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, I have a I have a really good friend who um his name is Andy, and he runs a national organization in the field that I work in, um, with food and agriculture, but he's also a Jungian um therapist, and he has enlightened me to a lot of these things when I have discussed um things with him over the years, um, and some of the challenges that I've gone through.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that always stuck with me is that kind of our job, our responsibility with our children is to reflect them back to themselves, you know, which is that I see you and you matter and and shine their light back.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so for each of my children, it's it's really different, you know, how they express themselves and how they incarnate and what their what their light is.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think I think partially it or yeah, at least partially, when my kids were young, um, this seems important to kind of add in is that I realized that they were not mine.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I was I was a mom when I was 22, so I was pretty young and I was not in any way fully grown myself.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so I experienced that at that time, like, oh gosh, am I not bonding with my child?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I thought there was something wrong with me, but over time I came to realize that I was just tapping into the unique uniqueness of their experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as like Khalil Jabron says in the prophet, you know, your children, you know, the parent is the bow and the child is the arrow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we cast them forth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And life doesn't go backwards, it goes forwards.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so for me, I've really tried as I've gone along in parenthood to try and take my cues from my children and reflect back to them what it is they needing, they're needing for the time that they're incarnated, because it was very different when I was a child, right?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: And when I was a teenager, and when I was a young adult, and what I needed in those times, and what they are experiencing, and what they need now.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so um I that's I think that's basically how I tune into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the more, the more present I am, the more my spirit comes.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: come through and have that alignment and that centeredness and I'm able to respond to them and be present in that moment because all of the all of the information all of the wisdom all of what we need to know that can come through our divine being is there it's always right there it's not in the past it's not in the future it's always right now and so in trying to be a better parent all the time to my children that's that's my practice is just is really being present.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Wow that is yeah so much and I I find too that um my you know so-called parenting is becoming a lot more silent and without words and just being there for them and in a quiet way with very little advice unless something really specific is asked for and a lot of times I feel like well even when it is asked for they already have so much more wisdom than I did at that age so I can't even really relate to necessarily where they are with a particular issue that they might be dealing with because they're so much further along the path than I was I don't have the experience that that that would be beneficial to them.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I feel like just being that open receptacle for their story just like I try to do with this podcast is is like really the powerful thing that they always have a safe place to express themselves.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: That I fail at that all the time because I'll you know like I'll throw some kind of judgment out or I'll get in my own story and and I'm not able to to do that.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what I that's what I strive for.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: But you know it's it's and but and also like your kids can demand more from you like they want you to take responsibility for certain aspects of their life and and as a mom you know your tendency is to kind of like scoop up and get the job done you know but that's not necessarily um what benefits them I want to ask you um about this relationship with grown children um how has that shifted for you like what is your what what do you see is your role and how has that changed yeah I that's a really good question.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: How has it changed?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: I would say I would I would echo a lot of what you said um it does become more of that process of being more neutral and allowing them to have their experiences for the most part there are some times where I do feel like um oh this this would be really bad you know so maybe like you might want to reconsider whatever it is um but I would say for the most part my at least I have three kids who um have really leaned in to taking responsibility for their own lives.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: My yeah I don't I don't think we even go into my other child but um none of my kids live with me currently but um I think that I think that for them just knowing that I'm there like you said I think is is really good for them.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: I have a practice of having my kids over every Sunday night which is something that I learned from a friend of mine back in Iowa many years ago that she did with her adult kids.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's like you know we're always going to have that meal on Sunday.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think um it's just a really wonderful grounding for them because when my kids were young the practice that I came in that I tried to that I initiated I should say when they were young was that I'm not raising kids I'm raising adults and I'm not trying to say I did that perfectly but that was my that was my intention that I when I had the opportunities to give them um responsibility but responsibility as a way to trust themselves as a way to know that they they had the capacity to to navigate in this world and to um help uh foster the skills of them trusting their own knowing their own beering being their own spirit and um because I always just felt like um if I wasn't here um I would want to know that they that they would be okay and that they knew how to thrive.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would say that's that's kind of um my parenting is when I can give them those nuggets of like you know sometimes I just need to hear it's okay you got this it's gonna be fine.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: I know that you're trying to figure out how to make money to pay your rent you got it it's okay you're you're always going to be provided for you will always be provided for in some way your spirit's always going to come through for you and because that was the thing that made the difference for me as I became an adult because I I didn't have that my parents um I would say in their parenting of me as I got older they um did things to creep uh to create more reliance upon them.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember telling my parents when I was in my mid-20s I remember sitting across from them saying have you heard the phrase if you teach a person to fish they'll know how to feed themselves instead of giving them a fish then they don't and my parents lots of times reflected the latter and again I think it was just kind of what they knew to that's how they expressed their love.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not trying to bash them but the benefit for me is that I is that I learned from that.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: I could see what I was kind of lacking and what I had to give myself and how I had to parent myself as I got older and the skills and the people that I sought around me people like yourself right who um you know had experience and wisdom ahead of me and um to lean into that and adopt that and then pass that on to my children.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and now I now I have a grandchild on the way.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: So that adds a whole new dimension you know that's gonna be like phase three.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well you'll you know like oh my gosh I have so many questions but let me just try to focus on that um that you're giving me like a whole new way of thinking about my own parents because I you know they they my childhood felt very much like I didn't have parents and so I was forced into a very independent nature and uh you know you can definitely take that too far you know you can become an island with that type of um that type of mentality but it did really serve me well like I never had a doubt that I could take care of myself because I've been taking care of myself since I was five years old.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: So um that yeah but and so like thank you like it I was I had been holding you know perhaps a little bit of um animosity toward my parents for that kind of upbringing but it really was an invisible gift you know the gift inside the the struggle.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah one of the things that I really want to talk to you about because this was just uh popping up on Facebook this morning one of my friends had posted something about motherhood and um I wanted to ask you because you have had throughout this whole child rearing um era you have had a very high profile demanding career and I want to hear a little bit about how you have been able to balance being fully present for your kids while also having this demanding career.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I also want to hear about the times that you feel like you failed at that yeah well I'll start with the failure um and that took some time for me to um I guess forgive myself in a sense um because I would say like I said I started having kids when I was 22.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so from I would say from the time I was 22 until I was about 40.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: So for about the span of 18 years I was um mostly at home and I I reorganized my entire life around um keeping my kids out of daycare as much as possible and um being able to source you know clean organic food for them which was when I was in Iowa that was a two hour one-way drive for me you know up to Minneapolis.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: So those were my two things was you know giving them as much of a a home at home environment experience with me especially in those developmental years and then putting you know good food into their bodies and and so but then when they when I was 40 um and my son my youngest son was probably around I don't know I guess he'd be around like eight um so in school I began to uh lean more into that I guess what you're calling that hope pride profile work and then I began to travel excuse me quite a bit um um for my work and um without going into that specifically and focusing more on my experience with my kids I um I can acknowledge that it was I was a single mom for a really long time.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: So and my parents lived in the same town that I did and I was fortunate to have people around me who could you know who loved and cared for my kids.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: But it offered me an opportunity to spread my wings that and and have my voice um and um I think do what a lot of us are kind of supposed to be doing in our 20s and mine was kind of cut short in a sense.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I was 40 I picked that up I guess and I just really launched full on into my career.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: And um then there was a time when I was probably around 50 and 52 now when I just I really had um a deep sadness around that because I felt like I missed a lot um but I do feel that um it was it was both I was able to be home I didn't work away from the home I worked at home worked from home but then I also traveled quite a bit which I think just made me less present more than anything I was physically there a lot but I was less present because I was really focused on my work.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: I used to be happy if I got one day off a year for a few years there and that was that's not an exaggeration.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: New Year's Day is the day I reserve for myself um we we worked at least a little bit if not a lot of every single day of the year.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: And we I had a lot of success in the work that we did you know um with my co-founder back then and you know we had an advocacy organization and we um just together just the two of us built a list of a million people and I feel like we really made a huge difference in awareness and um you know shifting some regulations and and policies and things like that and having people really aware of like what was going on with their food system and you know corporate collusion and things like that.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm proud of it.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: And my motivation was to create a better future for my children and my grandchildren and it still is but now I seek more balance you know with that.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like there was a second part to that question.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah what were the how how do you balance it now your kids are a little bit older but there's still um you know some balancing that needs to occur right yeah yeah I think it really is in that present like when you're when you're with them I mean it's always that thing of like you say it's not about the quantity it's the quality of time and that quality of time comes in when I feel we're fully uh as much as we can be aligned in our true nature and then when we show up in that way in that you know higher frequency way for our kids it offers them that opportunity to also do that.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like that's probably the most valuable thing honestly that I can offer them because as they are more aligned with their purest and truest selves they'll they will always be in abundance in always not just financially but in good relationships and you know nourishing environments and you know just being fed right and having that internal guidance.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's probably the biggest shift for me is that and that's my daily practice no matter what it is I'm doing with my work.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: But um I guess I will add to that and my son said this to me actually my mom my middle son Gabriel many years ago when we still lived in Iowa um he was probably 12 years old at the time I'm gonna guess 13 and he said you raised really independent kids mom and I think he was having that struggle of like I want my mom you know because he was coming into that adolescence and I know he wanted my presence and I do feel like there was a failure there for me to be present for him because of what was happening in my life um but he even at that time was able to kind of lean into like here's what I'm gaining I'm learning to develop my own inner my inner strength and knowing that even when I feel like I really need my mom um I have me and myself and my spirit and my own strength.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think he would still say that today he's 22 now and um my kids are are really quite independent in that way.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know they find their own support networks and kind of they don't they don't call on me for a lot of um material things or whatever.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess that was the benefit in it.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah that's so hard as a mom to hear that you know like your absence made me stronger yeah oh totally yeah I really struggled with that for a couple years at least yeah yeah um this I it relates to a comment that I was seeing a a young woman express uh she has a young young child her first child and she's working in a job that she doesn't really feel aligned to and she's feeling very taxed and overwhelmed and um you as a single parent I'm sure had to do some work to support your children that maybe wasn't fully aligned with who you knew yourself to be I don't want to assume that that's true maybe it maybe it's not true but have you had that experience and if so how did you come to terms with that um could you repeat that how did I come to terms with what exactly if if you had to um do work to support your family that wasn't maybe fully around or aligned with your oh yeah true self or your true interests um how did you get through that lots of times it was fake it to make it I'll be honest um I went to school for psychology and social work and that's what I majored in and I started out in that in my early 20s and it was fulfilling work but I literally made like$650 an hour and then I paid two to three dollars in daycare an hour.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I graduated I saw there was a job um that I was qualified for in you know the world of social work but I paid$18 grand a year and I just very quickly did the math of um well I could wait tables full time and a babysitter could come to my house in the evening and I could have be with my kids all day and um you know I could work less hours and I can make the same or more.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so I ended up waiting tables until my daughter went to kindergarten and then the week she went to kindergarten I you know went and I actually got trained to do massage therapy.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that was more aligned.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: I knew I wouldn't do that forever.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't do that now I probably haven't done that for eight or 10 years but um it was a really good leap for me you know but yeah my focus was at that time it was money it was finances and lots of times I had to be you know creative about that um because of my because my goals with the again being home when they in those developmental years and food and and so those are my two highest goals and so I guess that's and and doing and waiting tables at night and making decent money um you know hourly I guess um allowed me to achieve those two goals and I guess I was fortunate that the place that I worked um there were some skills that I gained you know by the owners and um observing their success patterns right and um I don't know I'm one of I'm one of those people I think it's when you do rate you're you're raised in an environment where you're not fully validated that you can find the silver linings.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's like my my friend said to me because she kind of got stuck in Iowa for a little while with kids as well um not that I was a bad place I shouldn't say stuck but you're from the Midwest you understand it it Midwest doesn't certain lots of places don't fully reflect back you know your uh you know what feeds you I guess so um she was like I guess when you're in jail you know it's good to at least educate yourself and read read a book you know is how she compared it you know so um I think that's what I've just always done I've always been somebody who very naturally just looks for what is there for me.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like if I feel like I'm quote suffering or like as you're saying that alignment which if you're not in alignment that is suffering right yeah and and um whether it's in your relationships or where you live or where you work or whatever being out of alignment is for I think the definition of suffering.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would just look for what it was that I was there to gain in that moment know knowing that it was temporary and also my choice.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: I also came to realize that anything I was experiencing was reflecting back to me what um patterns and frequencies I was running which is probably another story.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it was always my choice and when I came to kind of realize that I had a lot more control in my life um that was the point of empowerment for me.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah right and sometimes it was a hard pill to swallow but it was like no there's no exceptions to this there's just no exceptions I'm uh this is my choice of what what I what's expert what I'm experiencing.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah I think it's like the the combination of taking responsibility for what is occurring in your life and then also the trust let go of the known and open up to the possibility that when you're when you bring yourself into alignment you are provided for in in unexpected ways.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: It could just be energy you just have you suddenly have more energy and you can get you know more stuff done in a day or you're able to find more time to to devote to whatever your personal practices might be that you're longing to explore or you know you you meet people who are willing to assist you in certain ways.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not always clear when you're in the letting go process.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like both it's like letting go and taking more responsibility.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't sound like they would go together but they but they do.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 43:59
  unknown: Yeah
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Totally, I totally agree with that.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's when I've taken my biggest leaps, actually, is when I've let go if things around me are just kind of getting really complex and then like messy and confusing.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, this is my human nature, if you will, that is kind of trying to control things and figure things out, you know, with my head and not operating more from um this area.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, women, we have four brains, they say, where we have those neural networks that are tuning into the field of information.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we are we're always in this quantum field where all of the information is stored of what it is, the guidance that we need, the wisdom that we need, the experience of not just us, but of all that's around us.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: And we can choose to tap in to whatever aspect of that.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: And we have you know, neural networks, those neuroreceptors, those things that are reaching out into the field in our brain, our heart, our gut.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: And for women, we also have our womb, our uterus.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so those are our four actually areas of guidance.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: And we can literally put our attention on those areas for guidance and information.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: And oftentimes when I use my my brain, sometimes I need to do that, right?
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: If I need to figure out things that are more complex or what you might say is more um, you know, left left-brained, um there's it's it's a process of discernment, I think, of where to tune into for certain um ways of accessing information out there.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know that's a little like probably a little bit of a rabbit hole, but that's that's a lot of um, that's kind of what I've what I've learned is how um I think that humanity right now is learning what and who we are.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's this process of remembering, it's this process of relearning, of reimagining.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's why with my organization, I have a program called Future and Humanity, because I think that as we are moving into the future, a lot of people are focusing on the planet and quote, saving the planet.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and of course, we need to be in you know, concert and harmony, you know, with life around us and nature.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: But nature and earth, Mother Earth, the organism of earth has already has its success mechanisms.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: It it does not need us to do anything, right?
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: It will has these cycles where it will go into an ice age, right?
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Or it will warm, or it will do floods or volcanoes or whatever, as that process of whatever it needs.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: If it needs a different temperature, if it needs more rain, if it needs less rain, if it leads minerals, whatever, to rebalance.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think the opportunity now is as we learn to live in harmony with nature, we are really learning to live more in harmony with who and what we are, and we discover this organism of humanity, you know, of understanding that we are that we're not separated truly.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: And we hear this a lot, but of course, at this time of recording, which is October of 2021, we're experiencing division and polarization, like I don't think any of us have ever seen in our lifetimes.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that's another story because I feel like that's rather intentional.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the reality is that we're not, right?
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're connected.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're connected, like even our DNA.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you take, if you remove your DNA and you put it in another room, like DNA that belongs to you, like from your saliva or whatever, um, and I work with some scientists who have done this, and you can you can shift something in your field, like they might do something that gives you an experience and they observe that DNA, that DNA is responding in the same way as the DNA in this location.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so we are communicating through our DNA.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: And as we're talking about children, as I began my path of my own grounding and healing and recentering and alignment and learning about who I was and accepting who I was, and all of that, I knew that I was contributing to that also with my children and my groundchildren and my lineage and my ancestors, because we are we're truly all connected, and science is now showing us that saying, Yes, what you've always felt to be true is true, right?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: We are all connected.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's beautiful.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: So what kind of advice would you give young mothers struggling with becoming aligned to who they truly are in the process of raising young children?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um I would say the first thing that comes to my mind is to trust yourself.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm having this experience right now because my daughter is like just entering her second trimester and she's expecting her baby in April of next year.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: And and I just told her the other day, I said a lot of things, a lot of something that a lot of women have known.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: I said, generations before you, countless mothers.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: One thing that we are now all coming around to learning, I think in this modern era, is of not giving up ourselves.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: That we that we that we sacrifice.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I I recognize sacrifice as something of being an old an old paradigm, along with fear and control.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: And you're not here to sacrifice yourself, you are here to flourish.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: Your child will flourish when you flourish, when you align and fully express yourself and um celebrate yourself.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: Your your children will mirror you, right?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: So if you are loving your being, your human, your experience, when you are um leaning into all of your wounds and your fears and your failures, and accepting yourself despite that.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: When you're when you're flourishing, when you're expressing your skills and your talents and learning and engaging with the world, your children will do that too.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think as moms, we would all say that we want that for our kids, but I think we are coming through a period where we learn to sacrifice ourselves for that.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the more that we embody it, then they will embody that too.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's really incredibly beautiful.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: I second everything that you said.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, this has been an amazing conversation.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I'm so grateful for it because it feels so incredibly timely since I was looking at all the motherhood stuff um on Facebook.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I was wondering if you would like to um take a ride on the lightning round train.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh boy, I didn't know about the lightning round.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh do I get a prize?
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm kidding.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um yes, you do.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: It is the joy of self-expression.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, number one, what is your greatest fear?
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um my greatest fear probably is around my children, is around them not of me, of me leaving this earth and them not um having that opportunity to have leaned into their own knowing.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: And that's always been my biggest fear.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say it's less of a fear now because my children are now between the ages of 20 to 30.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like um they're they're well on their way.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm certainly not ready to leave them, but the other thing that I offered to them too when they were young was um understanding how important each of them was to each other, you know, that they were the family unit, and they um they're they are close, and so so that's that's really good.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um I have I have less fear these days, I guess.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: I I think about all of the fear I I parented from fear, you know, forever.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: And there was I like fear was ever present for me in my motherhood years.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and I, you know, like I just think about how things could have been different if that hadn't been um the case, if I had trusted more, uh, I had known myself more.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it it it all went along with the fact that I didn't know who I was, so I was like so fearful that I was making mistakes, and and there was must have been something in me that knew that I wasn't aligned, and so I couldn't be parenting from that place.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but and then as they got older, I don't fear so much for what's gonna happen to them.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: I know they're gonna be fine.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: I worry more about what would happen to me if I didn't have them.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, still, I still worry about that.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: Not not so much, but yeah.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, number two, have you considered living off the grid?
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I definitely have.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, doing doing a lot of the work that I have in um, you know, raising awareness, like I said, around corporate collusion and food and agriculture specifically.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's really given me um an inside look over the years at how the system operates.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: And my my biggest leaning, I guess, throughout my life, into my childhood and up to now is for freedom.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm always leaning into what is freedom?
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: What truly is freedom?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: And it changes as I as I learn more and I become more in alignment.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was at a conference last week in San Francisco, and there was a man that I was talking with, and we were talking about some of the things that were, you know, kind of going on in society.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: And this might sound like really cynical, but there's, you know, some, you know, something interesting in there to lean into.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, people don't want freedom, they want free stuff.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: And like I said, that might sound really cynical, but I was like, that's true for a lot of people, you know.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: What do we think freedom is?
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: We think freedom is, you know, having the ability to buy and get and go where we want, right?
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we think freedom is.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the reality is, is I think, well, the reality for me and what I think it is for humanity is you know, freedom is again back to that alignment, you know, and having the ability to align with our truest nature, our purest self, um, that is you know, creating us here in this experience.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: And when we're in alignment with that, for me, that's true freedom.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so living off grid, I just think that's um that's a way to it, it it may sound like a leap, but I was just leaning in the other day to I'm like, oh my gosh, so much of my experience is managing the system, right?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's based on this fiat capitalism, right?
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's obviously based upon fear and control.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's like, how much of my time do I spend, you know, I don't know, paying bills or looking at my accounts or remembering my passwords, or you know, making sure I have this registration or I fill out that form or you know, whatever.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I would probably be so depressed if I realized how much of my time and energy I actually spend doing that and not spent like, you know, just um expressing and offering and creating, right?
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of that's been that's been your thing that you've really offered is like create, just create, create, create, right?
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that is where we find we find our freedom.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: So in living off-grid, I had this experience a couple of months ago.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: I went up to Massachusetts and I went to a place called Earthlands Farm and we stayed for a few days and it's off-grid.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you wanted to grind your coffee in the morning, you had to go out back and start the generator, right?
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you had to, you know, kind of use your your, I mean, granted, I had the opportunity for my phone, but I had to use my phone at night to get around, you know, to brush my teeth, you know, for a light.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: And at first it was a little jarring, but then it was like you could just feel you can be much more in tune with nature, right?
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: Which is really what nourishes us and what brings us into our present.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that that's what that whole off-grid living truly offers us.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not anti-technology, but I'm just more about technology that benefits humanity and doesn't control.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: Number three, when did you first realize that you liked yourself?
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: It it really wasn't that long ago, actually.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I still feel like there's there's pieces of me that I'm claiming.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I know this because I just I just had this experience um yesterday and this morning after I had that accident.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I and and my my immediate response was if I was like stronger or more grounded or more more whatever, this wouldn't have happened, right?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so then I I dug deep a little bit deeper into that, and I just um I observed it, I guess.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: And um I was like, okay, observe that judging.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: What is what is that?
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_00: And ultimately it was not a liking or loving, accepting, going deeper than accepting and and loving or liking.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: My my partner, um, Adam would say, Of course, I love you.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, but I also like you.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, I think like is actually harder than love.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I can I get that to a degree.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's interesting you chose that word, like so um there's always pieces of myself that I'm claiming, um, where I notice that I've I've left them behind, right?
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: Parts of my body, um parts of where I feel like I feel or don't do as well as I think I should do.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's a it's a it's an iterative process, I guess.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that that feeling of always feeling like more, more, more I should be doing more, I should be doing more, I should be doing it.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I suffer from that.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um okay, number four.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do you enjoy small or large gatherings and why?
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know exactly.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think um I like them both for different reasons.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: But when I lean in, I really I I yeah, I I'm comfortable in both situations.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I will say in large gatherings, I think I tend to find the small gatherings.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just thinking where you find a little circle of people to communicate with.
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  SPEAKER_01: I used to hate large gatherings, like concerts and stuff are really difficult for me because I was like overwhelmed by the energy, but it's also, you know, if you're really well grounded, it's also like really exciting, but you can't relate to that many people, so you're talking, you know, to the people like next to you and in front of you and behind you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of funny, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, number five.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a calling in life?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, my calling is to just be my most brilliant self.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're killing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so did you bring a question for me today?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's your calling in life?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's actually shifting.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm experiencing a really big shift right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I had a very I have had since I was in second grade a very clear understanding of what one of my roles was here, which was to be a bridge, a bridge tender from I mean, I'm calling it 3D to 5D, but it's really from suffering to love, from from unknowing to knowing, from whatever, you know.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I with the with the publication of Dear Human, I felt like that mission was complete.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I've I have now done my thing, and here it is, and that my role as a bridge tender is complete.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I remember just like out of the blue telling a couple people I that that was the last project that I'm going to do in support of humanity.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now I want to celebrate humanity.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's like a small but significant shift for me that I'm now thinking, like, okay, that work is done.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now I get to do the next phase, which is you know, to celebrate the creation of our new earth together and how I want to really explore how people are doing that and having fun with it and what excuse me, kind of kind of joy and fulfillment it's bringing them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like things are gonna shift for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad I asked that question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for asking it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Lisa, I just want to thank you so much for having this conversation with me today.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really think it's gonna help a lot of moms and um and grandmothers and just women uh in general, because everybody's been parented.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: So um yeah, it's really a conversation for for everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you, Kay.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's always wonderful to spend time with you, and I always appreciate our conversations.
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  SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: Me too.