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Child Killer Millionaire Rebecca Grossman's Secretly Slashes Payout to Victims · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does this woman have no shame?
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Speaker 1: She and her husband are literally rolling in money. They're multimillionaires.
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Speaker 1: She has a boozy lunch with her alleged lover and
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Speaker 1: mows down two little boys in front of his parents' eyes.
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Speaker 1: As the mom desperately dives to save the other children,
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Speaker 1: these two she couldn't get to. They're dead. She sees
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Speaker 1: her two little boys die. Rebecca Grossman tries to leave
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Speaker 1: the scene and her fancy Mercedes breaks down. It stops.
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Speaker 1: It automatically stops when it hits something. She's been drinking.
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Speaker 1: The boyfriend had been drinking. They fight at tooth and claw.
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Speaker 1: She's finally convicted, but in the last hours we learn
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Speaker 1: convicted child killer Rebecca Grossman strikes a secret deal to
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Speaker 1: slice her share of a two hundred million dollar payout
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Speaker 1: to the little boy's family. What I Nancy grays, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. That's right. Jailed killer Rebecca Grossman strikes a
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Speaker 1: secret deal slicing her share of a nearly two hundred
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Speaker 1: million dollar payout. Now a jury ordered her to pay
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Speaker 1: that to the family of two little boys, Mark and Jacob,
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Speaker 1: is Scander. Do you remember the two little boys that
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Speaker 1: were mowed down in the crosswalk? Well, let me jog
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Speaker 1: your memory, or, as I like to say in court,
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Speaker 1: let me refresh your recollection. There's so many questions. Let's
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Speaker 1: start it off. Listen.
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Speaker 2: Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and
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Speaker 2: Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening
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Speaker 2: stroll to a nearby lake. The boys enjoy roller bleeding
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Speaker 2: and skateboarding. The six member family is heading home, crossing
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Speaker 2: in a crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother
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Speaker 2: Nancy heard a speeding car barreling their way. The mom
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Speaker 2: says her husband and daughter were further away from the street.
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Speaker 2: She tries to signal to the two SUVs heading their
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Speaker 2: way to slow down. She tried to pull the children back,
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Speaker 2: only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,
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Speaker 2: and dive out of the way. Jacob and Mark, who
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Speaker 2: are farther out in the crosswalk, are hit. Mark is
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Speaker 2: Skinder dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital.
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Speaker 2: According to police, Mark was thrown two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: four feet.
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Speaker 1: Two one hundred and fifty four feet. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: that coming up on the scene and seeing a little helmet,
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Speaker 1: a child's scooter and crime same tape with me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation,
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Speaker 1: Mark class you can find him at class Kids dot org.
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Speaker 1: And that's with a K. Kathleen Mourriphy, North Carolina trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com. Renowned
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta, Doctor Angela Arnold at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com, Founder director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Former president of mad Georgia Mothers Against
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Speaker 1: Drunk Driving. Cheryl McCullum, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of
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Speaker 1: a new series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. But first to the lead news anchor,
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Speaker 1: Wdbo Ray Caputo. Ray Caputo, two brothers dead and one
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Speaker 1: fell swoop, one just nine years old, the other just eleven.
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Speaker 3: What happened, well, Nancy, this was a really hot day
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Speaker 3: that happened at the Westlake Village, California. It's about an
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Speaker 3: hour west LA depending on the traffic, and it so
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Speaker 3: hot day and the family goes out Jacobs and they're
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Speaker 3: eight eleven or with their mom and their dad and
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Speaker 3: two other siblings, and they're simply crossing the street there.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, just let me understand something. It's okay.
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Speaker 1: They're with their whole family. It's not like the children
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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of the road riding their scooters.
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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well marked crosswalk.
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Speaker 1: You know. I'm I'm gonna understand where this is? Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation. Where is Westlake Village? Where
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Speaker 1: is that in California?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's several hundred miles from where I am, but
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Speaker 4: I've been through West Lake and it's a suburb of
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Speaker 4: Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you say a suburb of LA, having
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Speaker 1: lived out in LA during Dancing with the Stars, that
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Speaker 1: could mean anything. I mean, it could be a beach area,
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Speaker 1: it could be a rural area, it could be farming
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Speaker 1: land because California is so diverse. But a good hour
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Speaker 1: outside of LA, in my mind, means suburbs. People that
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Speaker 1: will drive an hour to get to work in LA
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Speaker 1: through that god awful traffic. So we're talking about a
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Speaker 1: suburb of La, which is full of beautiful country called
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Speaker 1: Westlake Village. We're talking about Mark and Jacob, and they're
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Speaker 1: nine and eleven years old, and they're with their entire family,
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Speaker 1: including mommy and daddy. So back to UI computer. I
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Speaker 1: think I heard you say they were in a crosswalk. Correct, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a crosswalk.
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Speaker 5: Now, this is a suburb, so it wasn't a heavily
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Speaker 5: congested area. And when you think of love downtown Los Angeles,
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Speaker 5: it's kind of a concrete jungle. It wasn't like this.
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Speaker 5: There wasn't a lot of hills though, and it was residential,
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Speaker 5: and they weren't across. What they're doing what a lot
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Speaker 5: of families do on a Tuesday night when it's hot
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Speaker 5: out and you want to get a.
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Speaker 1: Little extra suns, you know, I take Lucy and John David,
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Speaker 1: we get the dog, fat Boy, and we walk all
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Speaker 1: the time, practically every day, rain or shine, and it's
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Speaker 1: usually about that time when they're done with school and
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Speaker 1: I'm through with work and everything is calming down from
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Speaker 1: all the craziness during the day, and I'm just imagining
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Speaker 1: this family. You know, Raycipeda, you said the whole family
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Speaker 1: was there, how many of them were there.
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Speaker 5: Well, there was at least two siblings that one of
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Speaker 5: them was in a so there was the mom and
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Speaker 5: a dad, and you can imagine that that, you know,
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Speaker 5: the child and the streamer is getting the most attention.
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Speaker 5: They're getting pushed around, but you know, everybody was there.
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Speaker 5: Mom and dad were with the kids in and there
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Speaker 5: was just there. They could get six of them, including
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Speaker 5: the boys, the.
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Speaker 1: Whole family together. You know, when I go with the
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Speaker 1: whole family together somewhere, I feel more safe because we're
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Speaker 1: all there together. I've got the children with me, my
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Speaker 1: husband's there. Were all focused on keeping the twins safe
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Speaker 1: at all times. Take a listen to Chris Holmstrom at
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Speaker 1: Caca L nine. It was just before dark.
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Speaker 6: A family of six was walking across this crosswalk when
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Speaker 6: tragedy struck. Captain Salvador Vissera with the La County Sheriff's
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Speaker 6: Department describes what happened next.
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Speaker 7: The family were in a marked crosswalk, clearly marked. As
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Speaker 7: she realized there were two cars speeding her way, she
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Speaker 7: was able to reach out and grab one of her
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Speaker 7: children off of a razor scooter, pulled the child back
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Speaker 7: with the stroller, with another child a stroller as the
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Speaker 7: car entered the intersection and hit the other two boys.
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Speaker 1: There's six people, including two adults and a stroller. How
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Speaker 1: could you not see that? It wasn't even dark yet?
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Speaker 1: To Ray Caputo, did the two boys nine and eleven?
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Speaker 1: I right there on the scene where they raced to
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Speaker 1: the hospital. What happened?
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Speaker 5: Oh, it's just terrible, Nancy. Well, one of the boys
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Speaker 5: died at the scene. He was carried on the hood
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Speaker 5: of the car for but one hundred feet, and then
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Speaker 5: the car stopped and the little boy flew off and
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Speaker 5: then he was he was ran over the other child.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, wait, slow down,
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Speaker 1: what did you just say.
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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the woman hit the little little boy and carried
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Speaker 5: him one hundred feet and then he flew off the
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Speaker 5: car and she ran him over.
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Speaker 1: Wait right wait, right there, So it's not dark yet.
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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk. There are six people, including two
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Speaker 1: adults and a stroller. That accounts for three people, So
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Speaker 1: there were three others. That is a group. How can
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Speaker 1: you miss a group of people? Just let's just pretend
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Speaker 1: that she the driver come over a hill and hit them,
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Speaker 1: which I don't believe is the case because under the
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Speaker 1: rules of the road. Just like where you put a
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Speaker 1: double line, you're not supposed to cross on a double
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Speaker 1: line or pass anybody. You wouldn't put a crosswalk right there,
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Speaker 1: as coming up over a hill because it's too dangerous,
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Speaker 1: So as if you couldn't see them a mile away.
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Speaker 1: We learn from witnesses that one of these two little
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Speaker 1: boys was carried on the hood of the car for
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Speaker 1: one hundred feet. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a super secret,
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes deal never disclosed to the jury during
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Speaker 1: an eight week civil trial that has just ended, now
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Speaker 1: changes everything about how much each defendant has to pay.
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Speaker 1: After the jury here's the whole case and insists on
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Speaker 1: a massive payout to the victim's family. How does this
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Speaker 1: even happen? Well, I don't know how this secret deal happened,
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Speaker 1: but I know what did happen in a court of law.
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Speaker 1: These are the facts. I want to go back to you, Raykiputo.
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Speaker 1: This was in a crosswalk, and they have engineers looking
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Speaker 1: at where a crosswalk should be, where there should be
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Speaker 1: a double line, where you should put a red light
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Speaker 1: or a stop sign or a flashing yellow light for
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Speaker 1: reasons because it fits with a topography. I just don't
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Speaker 1: believe that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills. That's where
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Speaker 1: I'm getting this from you, Ray Kiputo, I just don't
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Speaker 1: believe a crosswalk was right at the top of the hill.
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Speaker 5: Well there was a crosswalks. YouMagine the team and there's
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Speaker 5: a road that's coming down a road coming down as
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Speaker 5: a crosswalk. So my assumption is is that you know
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Speaker 5: that that might have played into it. It says that
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Speaker 5: she was on this road, and I believe that she
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Speaker 5: might have taken a turn where there was a stop
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Speaker 5: sign and just ripping through it because she was going
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Speaker 5: really fast, and I had seen this on a map
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Speaker 5: that I can understand how someone who is intoxicated just
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Speaker 5: out of their mind not paying attention to the room.
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Speaker 1: If you're coming down a road, like you're saying, there's
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Speaker 1: a heel coming down, you can see down. It's not
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Speaker 1: as I she was coming up a hill and then
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Speaker 1: suddenly you're in a crosswalk and there are people in
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Speaker 1: the middle of it. Cheryl McCollum, you're the former president
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Speaker 1: of Mothers Against Driving Georgia.
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Speaker 8: Help me out here, Nancy. There were so many things
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Speaker 8: this woman did wrong before that accident.
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Speaker 1: I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk. Crosswalks are
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Speaker 1: there in that spot for a reason, so you can see.
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Speaker 8: It, correct, But not somebody that's drunk. It could very
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Speaker 8: well be she was fiddling with the radio. It could
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Speaker 8: be that she was going through her perse.
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Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of that, Take a listen to anchor Susanne
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Speaker 1: Marquez with Tina Pattel CBS LA. We have more breaking news.
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Speaker 6: A driver has been arrested after a crash last night
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Speaker 6: in Westlake Village that killed two children. CBS two is
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Speaker 6: Tina Pattel is live with the latest on this investigation.
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Speaker 6: It's heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina.
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Speaker 9: It really is. One boy died here at the scene.
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Speaker 9: The other one was taken to the hospital and we
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Speaker 9: just learned that he also passed away. Now the Sheriff's
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Speaker 9: department is not releasing the ages of those boys, are
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Speaker 9: saying whether they are related. But you can see the
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Speaker 9: news of the tragic death has hit this community. Many
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Speaker 9: are coming now to leave flowers.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information and
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Speaker 1: now we know why. Take a listen to Mary Beth
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Speaker 1: McDade KTLA five.
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Speaker 10: Grossman, who's married to a prominent plastic surgeon Peter Grossman
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Speaker 10: reportedly hit one boy who rolled.
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Speaker 1: Up onto her hood.
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Speaker 10: She reported slammed on her bricks so he'd roll off,
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Speaker 10: and then she ran him over. Deputies reportedly caught up
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Speaker 10: with Grossman about a quarter mile away in her white Mercedes,
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Speaker 10: which had front end damage, and arrested her.
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Speaker 7: Rebecca Grossman was arrested for vihico. She's being charged to
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Speaker 7: two counts of vehicular manslader and his arrested for duy.
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Speaker 10: The Scanders are well known in their Westlake village and church.
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Speaker 1: Communities, so Rebecca Grossman was driving that white Mercedes married
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Speaker 1: to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman. Now Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: former director of mad M a d D Mothers Against
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Speaker 1: Drunk Driving Georgia. Did you hear that that reportedly hit
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Speaker 1: one boy and he flew up onto her hood. She
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Speaker 1: kept going about one hundred feet and slammed on brakes
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Speaker 1: so the boy would roll off, then ran over him
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Speaker 1: and did not stop. She kept going. Did you get
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Speaker 1: that in the news report from KTLA five.
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Speaker 8: Think about that, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And copstit and find her for a quarter of a mile.
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Speaker 8: But Nancy, think about the fact that she's already heard
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Speaker 8: him severely by running over him and killing his brother.
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Speaker 8: She makes the choice of getting that child off the
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Speaker 8: hood of her car and ran over him in order
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Speaker 8: to flee and get away. She made the conscious choice
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Speaker 8: to do more damage to that baby than to stop
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Speaker 8: and render aids.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, I want to go straight out
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Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: What in the world would make you keep going after
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Speaker 1: you hit a child? It reminds me of a case
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Speaker 1: I covered on Court TV while back, and the defendants
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Speaker 1: name was Chantey Mallard. She hit a man in the street,
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Speaker 1: then with him on the hood, stuck on the hood,
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Speaker 1: she drives all the way to her home, pulls her
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Speaker 1: car into the garage, closes the garage, and leaves him
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Speaker 1: on the windshield to die. He could have been saved
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Speaker 1: in the time. She sat in there going wow, Am
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Speaker 1: I going to get in trouble for this? She left
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Speaker 1: the guy impaled on the hood while he died. Here
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Speaker 1: you've got this woman, according to eyewitnesses, carried the little
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Speaker 1: boy on the hood of the car one hundred feet,
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Speaker 1: slammed on brakes. The boy fell off, then she ran
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Speaker 1: over him.
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Speaker 11: So it's such a horrific act, Nancy, that most of
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Speaker 11: us cannot understand. But to me, it speaks to something
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Speaker 11: deeper that is wrong with this woman, on top of
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Speaker 11: her alcohol addiction. Apparently.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk talk about that for a moment. I
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Speaker 1: want to find out from you, Rakipudowdbo why alcohol is
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Speaker 1: being thrown around. How come we don't think she was
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Speaker 1: just let's just say, street racing or joy riding or
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Speaker 1: in a hurry. How did alcohol get into the mix.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's what the deputy said.
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Speaker 5: What they found her about a mile down the road. Ancy,
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Speaker 5: this is a scary par We see this a lot
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Speaker 5: with people who have money. They know what happens when
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Speaker 5: things go sideways. If you hit somebody and you're drinking,
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Speaker 5: the best thing to do is get the heck away
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Speaker 5: from the scene, apparently, and not be seen until you're
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Speaker 5: sober up. This woman's car breaks down a mile away,
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Speaker 5: and that's when she's busted. If she would have got away,
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Speaker 5: I would almost guarantee that they'd be mounting a defense
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Speaker 5: of I wasn't drinking.
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Speaker 4: Now. Also, you mentioned street racing.
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Speaker 5: She was apparently street racing too. She was traveling at
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Speaker 5: a high rate of speed, and she was drinking.
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Speaker 4: I mean, what a host of factors.
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Speaker 5: And you wonder why something went wrong Here.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you how how I learned that DUI driving
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Speaker 1: under the influence of alcohol drugs was part of this.
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Speaker 1: Because she this renowned, prominent member of the community, husband
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Speaker 1: is a high profile plastic surgeon. She was arrested on
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Speaker 1: suspicion of manslaughter and DUI after smashing her speaking Mercedes
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Speaker 1: into brothers Mark and Jacob eleven and nine Westlake Village.
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Speaker 1: She only stopped a mile and a half away when
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Speaker 1: her engine cut out. Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mad
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Speaker 1: Mothers Against Drunk Driving Georgia. She didn't pull over and
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Speaker 1: call police. She was only stopped because of car trouble.
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Speaker 8: She did nothing to help this family. She did nothing
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Speaker 8: to help the two little boys. She did nothing to
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Speaker 8: render aid help it anyway. She didn't even go to
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Speaker 8: a paypon and call NOW one one anonymously to get help. There.
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Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl, suffering the sudden and criminal death of
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Speaker 1: somebody you love sticks with you forever, as you all know,
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Speaker 1: having dealt with so many crime victims. But this mother
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Speaker 1: and father were right there. One son died on the scene,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl and the car kept going.
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Speaker 8: What that must be like to them? I mean the
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Speaker 8: Huggies to race BMX and I can play right now
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Speaker 8: in my head the worst.
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Speaker 5: Rent he ever had.
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Speaker 8: And he was fine. But as a mother, you just,
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Speaker 8: you know, play it over and over and over. What
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Speaker 8: they must be living with watching their two children move down,
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Speaker 8: one killed at the scene, one you have hoped for
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Speaker 8: for a moment, and then that snatched from you too
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Speaker 8: because this woman decides she wants to drink and street race.
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Speaker 8: You're not from about a seventeen year old kid that
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Speaker 8: makes a stupid decision.
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Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman, accused suspect
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Speaker 1: number one in mowing down two little boys out walking
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Speaker 1: with their family, gets the courtroom victory. But what happened
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Speaker 1: when the boys lost their lives? According to police, this woman,
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman, prominent in her community and wealthy, not only
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Speaker 1: mowed the two little boys down in front of mom
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Speaker 1: and dad, but kept going. She was charged with suspicion
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Speaker 1: of voluntary manslaughter and DUI, I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut number twelve now You may
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Speaker 1: recognize some of these voices. This is a montage of
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Speaker 1: all the coverage about how fantastic this woman and her
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Speaker 1: husband were.
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Speaker 12: So many of us at ABC News know about the
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Speaker 12: work that the Grossman Burn Foundation has done to provide
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Speaker 12: so much care, new life for women, children, people around
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Speaker 12: the United States and the world in need of that
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Speaker 12: urgent medical care.
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Speaker 13: I just wanted to take a moment of your time
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Speaker 13: this evening to say a few words about the Grossman
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Speaker 13: Burn Foundation. This extraordinary organization is making a huge difference
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Speaker 13: around the world.
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Speaker 12: Another miracle at the Grossman Burn Center here in southern California, Astoria.
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Speaker 4: The Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to stop
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Speaker 4: the violence carried out against women around the world.
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Speaker 14: A local Oscar winning special effects artist has become a
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Speaker 14: hero to a woman on the other side of the globe,
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Speaker 14: a woman whose face was destroyed by her own husband.
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Speaker 14: Rebecca Grossman at the Grossman Burn Foundation found out about Eustonce.
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Speaker 14: Rebecca takes the prosthetics, travels to Indonesia and delivers them
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Speaker 14: to Houston's in person. It's a day eustonce never thought
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Speaker 14: would come. Finally she gets the first sign of hope
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Speaker 14: that she'll feel complete again.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing so much about the Burn Foundation. Remember, this
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Speaker 1: woman's husband is a prominent plastic surgeon, so they're well
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Speaker 1: known and wealthy in that community. I know that the husband,
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Speaker 1: who is, as I said, a wealthy and prominent plastic surgeon,
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Speaker 1: had been working with the Burn Foundation. But what about
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Speaker 1: the wife, Rebecca Grossman, and what about that particular day
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Speaker 1: that these two little boys were mowed down? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Tina Patel CBS LA.
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Speaker 9: Investigators arrested a fifty seven year old driver and charged
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Speaker 9: her with particular manslaughter. Awaite Mercedes with front end damage
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Speaker 9: was towed away about a half mile from the crash scene,
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Speaker 9: but investigators would not confirm whether the drivers stop voluntarily
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Speaker 9: or whether this was a hidden run people who live nearby.
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Speaker 9: I hope this crash will be a wake up call
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Speaker 9: for drivers to slow down and for the city to
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Speaker 9: do more to protect pedestrians.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go to u Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation, to protect children. Have you
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Speaker 1: ever seen cases where the public doesn't get all the
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Speaker 1: details for a lot of the facts surrounding the case
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Speaker 1: are kept under the rug. For instance, what is this
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Speaker 1: woman's blood alcohol. They're not even saying that. They'll confirm
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Speaker 1: it was a hit and run. She was arrested about
22:29
Speaker 1: a mile away. Yes, it was a hit and run.
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Speaker 1: I don't need a crime scene reconstruction is to tell
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Speaker 1: me that Mark class.
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Speaker 4: You know, Nanci, the nonprofit world is full of hypocrites.
22:42
Speaker 4: It's full of wealthy people who sit on boards of
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Speaker 4: nonprofit organizations for no other reason than they can talk
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Speaker 4: about themselves at cocktail parties and give each other awards
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Speaker 4: for the great work that they do. And I think
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Speaker 4: Cheryl can attest to that she knows the nonprofit world
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Speaker 4: as well. I think that's exactly what we have here.
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Speaker 4: Now they can talk about how wonderful missus Grossman is
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Speaker 4: and all of the great things she's done, But she's
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Speaker 4: also the woman who cloud down two little boys, bumped
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Speaker 4: one of them off the hood of her car, and
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Speaker 4: then ran over him again so that she could escape responsibility.
23:21
Speaker 4: This is a woman with no conscience. This is a
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Speaker 4: woman with no morals. This is a woman who most
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Speaker 4: certainly does not belong behind the driver's seat of a car.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I know that she's charged with suspicion. DUI
23:36
Speaker 1: now you know, the case will be ruined if they
23:40
Speaker 1: did not do an appropriate blood alcohol content test on
23:44
Speaker 1: her blow test, and that is the end of a
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Speaker 1: dui case. If you let her off the hook from
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Speaker 1: that blow test at the scene, you can't prove a trial.
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Speaker 1: She was dui. So they have her charge charge with
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Speaker 1: suspicion dui. Why would they have charged her with that, Cheryl, There.
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Speaker 8: Must be some evidence either they could smell alcohol in
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Speaker 8: her breath, there was evidence in the car of a
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Speaker 8: bottle or something like that. But Nancy, the other thing
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Speaker 8: they're missing. They don't have the traditional things you would
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Speaker 8: have with an accident like this. They're not going to
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Speaker 8: have kid mark.
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Speaker 1: She didn't stop good point, good point.
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Speaker 8: So there's so many things. They can't get her accurate speed,
24:27
Speaker 8: They may not have an accurate bea fee, they may
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Speaker 8: not have it.
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Speaker 1: We do know this though, Cheryl. Now this is good
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Speaker 1: news for the prosecution if they take the case all
24:37
Speaker 1: the way, if they don't get over impressed with money
24:42
Speaker 1: and prominence. Just got Morgan the professor forensic Jacks will
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Speaker 1: see university and death investigator. The cops have broken down
24:51
Speaker 1: and told us that this socialite, Rebecca Grossman did test
24:56
Speaker 1: over the legal limit. Explain.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, the legal limit, dependent upon where you are, is
25:02
Speaker 13: generally going to be in a range of about point
25:09
Speaker 13: zero one five that region right there, and it's going
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Speaker 13: to go to significant impairment and that is your motor function.
25:18
Speaker 13: How can you make judgments? But this is one of
25:21
Speaker 13: the problems going back to what Max said just a
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Speaker 13: second ago with her. You know, this woman has a
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Speaker 13: history of driving while intoxicated. This is my question. If
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Speaker 13: she is addicted to alcohol, her tolerance level is going
25:39
Speaker 13: to be much higher. So there are people that have
25:43
Speaker 13: a dependency upon alcohol that can still function be up
25:47
Speaker 13: you know. Whereas you or I might have a drink
25:49
Speaker 13: couple of glasses of wine or something and we're out
25:51
Speaker 13: like a baby, this woman might could go through two
25:54
Speaker 13: or three bottles of wine, so be upright and functioning.
25:58
Speaker 13: So it's kind of a hit or miss. Need to
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Speaker 13: have done this early on.
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Speaker 1: I look at the front end of her Mercedes. You
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Speaker 1: can see it at crimeonline dot com.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, if I could address another car, Yeah, if
26:14
Speaker 15: I could address that, this is a full size Mercedes
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Speaker 15: sedan Nancy, And you know Mercedes one thing they're known for,
26:21
Speaker 15: it's not just a luxury car.
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Speaker 13: They're known as being a safe car, well built, and Nancy,
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Speaker 13: it looks like she ran into a damn telephone pole.
26:29
Speaker 13: It's a center mass strike. And just so people at
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Speaker 13: home will understand, if you imagine that great big Mercedes
26:35
Speaker 13: symbol that sits right in the center of the grill,
26:38
Speaker 13: that's gone, and not only that, the hood itself is
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Speaker 13: crushed in. This gives us an indication that when she
26:46
Speaker 13: struck these two little boys, as you mentioned just a
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Speaker 13: second ago, in front of their parents. Mind you, she
26:53
Speaker 13: was traveling at such a high rate that, at least
26:55
Speaker 13: because I don't have all the data from the scene,
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Speaker 13: it gives the appearance that she hit a big stobjict Nancy,
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Speaker 13: not some non anchored person like these two children. She
27:09
Speaker 13: hit something at such a high rate of speed it
27:11
Speaker 13: literally collapsed the front of that car. I don't see
27:15
Speaker 13: how the airbags kept from deploying. And if you look
27:18
Speaker 13: at that image real quick, she did try to flee.
27:21
Speaker 13: The only reason she didn't get away. If you take
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Speaker 13: a real close look at that image on crime on Line,
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Speaker 13: you'll see that there are fluids that have poured out
27:28
Speaker 13: of the bottom of this thing, so it disabled the vehicle.
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Speaker 13: My guess is, as Ray had alluded to earlier, is
27:37
Speaker 13: that if she could have put as much distance between
27:40
Speaker 13: her and that event, that that homicide, then you would
27:46
Speaker 13: have had time for the blood alcohol to metabolize in
27:50
Speaker 13: her system. She would have gone. And this has happened
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Speaker 13: numbers of times with high profile people over the years.
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Speaker 13: If you don't have that science to back it up,
27:58
Speaker 13: if you don't know what the BA is at that
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Speaker 13: moment in time, you've lost it forever.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, secret deals behind closed doors.
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Speaker 1: Will the family of these two little boys, Mark eleven,
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Speaker 1: Jacob eight were mowed down crossing a street West Lake Village,
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Speaker 1: in the crosswalk by this woman leaving a boozy lunch
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Speaker 1: with her boyfriend. I wonder what her husband thought about that.
28:37
Speaker 1: Apparently the whole family is still standing by her. You know,
28:40
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen before. You don't want to know
28:44
Speaker 1: bad things about the person you love. You just don't
28:47
Speaker 1: want to know, so you make up. You do back
28:50
Speaker 1: bends and backflips and contortions to explain away the evidence
28:58
Speaker 1: that said. The victim's family get the payout the jury
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Speaker 1: awarded them. And remember Rebecca Grossman is a multimillionaire that said,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's gone on behind closed doors, but
29:13
Speaker 1: I do know what happened in open court. And this
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Speaker 1: is what we learned. Six family members were crossing the
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Speaker 1: three way intersection in a marked cross walk on the road.
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Speaker 1: The parents heard the speeding Mercedes. They could hear it
29:32
Speaker 1: speeding and hearing the car, they reached out to grab
29:38
Speaker 1: their children. They grabbed Zachary and Violet, Mark and Jacob
29:44
Speaker 1: were too far away. They heard the speeding car. Cheryl,
29:49
Speaker 1: now you understand the legal implications of this. They could
29:53
Speaker 1: hear it at a distance speeding. There were no skid marks.
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Speaker 1: The parents grabbed the children they can reach. The ones
30:01
Speaker 1: they couldn't reach were mowed down. Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, what you're gonna have is you're going to have
30:10
Speaker 8: the police go. They've got to go back. They've got
30:13
Speaker 8: to get video from every ring camera. If they have
30:16
Speaker 8: the flock system, they've got to get that video. They've
30:19
Speaker 8: got to trace her action backwards. Where did she drink,
30:25
Speaker 8: how much did she drink? Where did she get it from?
30:27
Speaker 8: Did she pay for it? Was it already at home?
30:30
Speaker 8: Was she at a bar?
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Speaker 1: When Yeah, they're going to retrace all of their her steps.
30:35
Speaker 1: At least I hope they are.
30:37
Speaker 8: That they've got to Nancy because they don't have anything else,
30:40
Speaker 8: because again, they know the blood alcohol is going to
30:43
Speaker 8: be contested. They know that they're going to have a
30:45
Speaker 8: fight on their hands. So they've got to go back
30:47
Speaker 8: and show, just like you used to do that this
30:51
Speaker 8: crime didn't occur at nine forty seven PM or six
30:55
Speaker 8: forty five. This crime occurred at two o'clock when she
30:58
Speaker 8: took her first drink. It occurred at three fifteen when
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Speaker 8: she took the next one, It occurred at five sixty
31:05
Speaker 8: when she had her third one, and then she chose
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Speaker 8: to get in the car after five or six or
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Speaker 8: a bottle. And that's what they've got to show the
31:14
Speaker 8: importance of that. They've got to go back and show
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Speaker 8: every speeding ticket. They've got to show every failure to
31:20
Speaker 8: maintain lane. They've got to show every DUI she's ever had,
31:24
Speaker 8: even if they reduced it to you know, whatever, they
31:28
Speaker 8: might have reduced it to reckless driving or such. You know,
31:32
Speaker 8: we all know reckless driving. Usually the DUI that's been reduced.
31:35
Speaker 8: They got to look at every single one, every single
31:38
Speaker 8: time her prominent husband has saved her. They've got to
31:41
Speaker 8: go talk to friends or said, hey, how many cocktail
31:44
Speaker 8: parties does she throw? How often do y'all know her to?
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Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be critical that they trace
31:51
Speaker 1: her steps that day. Amen, Because Mark Klass, I mean,
31:56
Speaker 1: have you ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's no accident,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class, Because, as Cheryl McCollum was saying, you start
32:06
Speaker 1: in the day drinking, you decide to get your car keys,
32:09
Speaker 1: You decide to walk out to your car after you've
32:11
Speaker 1: been drinking. You decide to insert the key in the
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Speaker 1: ignition and start the car, put it reverse and then
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Speaker 1: drive there you go. All those were conscious decisions, Mark Class.
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Speaker 4: There were conscious decisions by a woman who's probably done
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Speaker 4: that hundreds of times and doesn't really seem to care
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Speaker 4: about the safety of anybody else, feels that she's privileged
32:33
Speaker 4: enough that she can do what she wants when she wants,
32:37
Speaker 4: and have some kind of a sterling reputation and a
32:39
Speaker 4: lot of money to fall back on.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, try a lawyer
32:45
Speaker 1: at the scene. We've seen so many celebrity walk a
32:49
Speaker 1: straight line, tests touch your nose tests, say the ABC's test.
32:53
Speaker 1: What other tests are performed at the scene are supposed
32:57
Speaker 1: to be performed when cops suspect do UI well.
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Speaker 3: Obviously the markers are a breathalyzer.
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Speaker 5: She could refuse the breathalyzer.
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Speaker 11: She refuses the breathalyzers, they'll take blood work at the
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Speaker 11: hospital or wherever she can car shorts.
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Speaker 1: I would suppose they can do the field sobriety.
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Speaker 11: Tests such as heel toe.
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Speaker 9: They also can.
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Speaker 8: Take other steps to determine whether or not they're drinking,
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Speaker 8: such as alcohol bottles in.
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Speaker 11: The car, the smell of alcohol on that lady's breath.
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Speaker 1: We do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman, was
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Speaker 1: involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver
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Speaker 1: claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five
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Speaker 1: in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back
33:44
Speaker 1: of his car. The driver passed away later from ill help,
33:50
Speaker 1: but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now,
33:56
Speaker 1: in that case, we know that insurre It's paid out
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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars and a settlement with Grossman. She
34:07
Speaker 1: was injured in that too, So what, if anything, do
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Speaker 1: we know about her history, Raykipedo, Well.
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Speaker 5: Dancy, she's not a good driver, that's for sure. I mean,
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Speaker 5: you can only speculate that that's connected to this. Mean,
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Speaker 5: I don't know for shirt, but it seems to be
34:21
Speaker 5: that the writing was on the wall for miss Grossman,
34:23
Speaker 5: and she had plenty of opportunity to fix, you know,
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Speaker 5: some of the issues that she had in her life,
34:28
Speaker 5: when you know, she didn't.
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Speaker 4: And here we are. This tragedy was avoidable. There was
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Speaker 4: something that.
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Speaker 5: Shouldn't have happened. And now this family is going to
34:36
Speaker 5: be living with us for the rest of our lives.
34:38
Speaker 5: And you know, this Grossman's life is done too. Pretty much,
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Speaker 5: a reputation is gone.
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Speaker 1: I'm really more worried about the two dead boys than
34:46
Speaker 1: anybody's reputation, Doctor Angela Arnold. What about the people surrounding her?
34:52
Speaker 1: I mean, according to a Daily Mail report, quote she's
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Speaker 1: a reckless driver, the socialite charge with killing two young boys.
34:59
Speaker 1: And do you I hit and run previously totaled another
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Speaker 1: driver's car after quote speeding through a red light, and
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Speaker 1: then she sued him even though she ran into the
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Speaker 1: back of his car.
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Speaker 11: You know, Nancy, I don't believe that they should be
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Speaker 11: calling her a socialite. I think that they should be
35:17
Speaker 11: calling her a sociopath. That is what this woman is
35:22
Speaker 11: at the core of who she is. She is a sociopath.
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Speaker 11: Why do we have to be describing this woman who
35:30
Speaker 11: has hit and killed two children and has absolutely no
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Speaker 11: remorse instead of a socialite socialite, we should be calling
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Speaker 11: her a sociopath today, because that.
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Speaker 1: Is just wondering. I mean, Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad
35:45
Speaker 1: Georgia mother's against junk driving. Everybody around her, I mean,
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Speaker 1: are they enabling her drinking and driving way in.
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Speaker 8: I think the most important thing is for get everybody
35:59
Speaker 8: around her is solely on her. She did this. This
36:04
Speaker 8: is nothing new behavior. She chose to drink, she chose
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Speaker 8: to drive, she chose to try to cover it up,
36:11
Speaker 8: she chose to try to hide her face. Now she
36:14
Speaker 8: has chosen not to reach out to the family and apologize.
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Speaker 8: She has chosen to do all of these things that
36:22
Speaker 8: show exactly who she is. And I think that last
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Speaker 8: statement was pen on accurate. She is a social path.
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Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl McCollum. People refer to these scenes as
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Speaker 1: an accident. I disagree completely. This is no accident.
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Speaker 8: No, this is a homofide thing period.
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman sentenced to fifteen years to life. I guarantee
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Speaker 1: she'll get out early for mowing down the two little boys.
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Speaker 1: At a civil trial, she was forced to pay millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars? Is she going to get out of that too?
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