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Accidental Truth with Ron James of MUFON - Ministry X - 034 · Ministry X

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momentarily. Does anybody at the organization you or your colleagues there pay any attention
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What people are saying it's good from any perspective. It's also good,
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you know, frankly, it's it's it's good common common common sense that you're
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important we need to you know what, we need to know what customers and
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we join in the conversation. We've got a special guest joining us today in
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just a few moments. Ron James of move On has a new documentary film
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he'd like you to see. It's called Accidental Truth. But I was thinking,
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what happens when worlds collide? When another planet hits another planet? It
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happens every once in a while. Well, you have destruction, or perhaps
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creation of a new world, when the entropic forces of the universe start to
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tug on the unfolding scroll, the scroll that tells the origin of the human
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race. But if not be there world's in collision in this great age,
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then perhaps what we see, what we observe our world's enfolded upon each other,
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each invisible to each other, usually until unexpectedly or ritually a portal is
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established, or when Malaquim, a messenger of God, is dispatched, and
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in the midst of God's terra firma, the heavens being momentarily displaced, there
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is a flash on the horizon, then another You drive towards it. Shadows
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seem to be moving in the brush along the side of the road about fifty
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feet in front of of you. Your headlights pick up a nicely pressed pair
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of black pants walking towards you. No body just pants. No, there's
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a body and feet with nicely polished black shoes. Hush puppies, I think.
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And a pale, sweaty man in a suit approaches your window. As
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you slowly break to a stop, he motions for you to roll down your
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window. In the darkness, you start to notice orange cones and a makeshift
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roadblock. There is another flash on the horizon. Did I mention it's dark?
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It's not daytime. Please adjust your visualization if necessary. The pale,
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sweaty man advises you to turn around as there is an accident up ahead.
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Something feels suspicious. The man was not a patrol officer. Clearly we shall
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just call him Agent zero. Despite this, you calmly follow his instruction,
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make a U turn and head back down the highway. The man seemed worried,
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but he was hiding something. Yeah, it was probably just an accident.
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He was a businessman traveling overnight. Maybe he hit a cow or something.
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His sweaty face haunts you as you drive. The way he was breathing
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seemed unnatural. You decide to head back into town. You glance at the
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dash four point thirty five am. Impossible. It was just after midnight when
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I first observed the flashes on the horizon. In the following story, what
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just happened? A The flashes of light on the horizon were from a transformer
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overloading in the next town over occurring at approximately three twelve am. No,
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you encountered a makeshift roadblock that a nice, sweaty gentleman set up to divert
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traffic. The discrepancy in time resulted from you incorrectly reading the display. It
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was much later than you had realized. B The flashes of light on the
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horizon resulted from several medium sized boll eyed fragments entering the Earth's atmosphere and burning
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up upon entry. The flashes were visible within a radius of two hundred miles
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at approximately twelve oh two am. The shockwave caused your vehicle to stall and
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you temporarily lost consciousness as you drifted to a stop on the shoulder. When
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you awakened, it was exactly for twenty am. You chuckled, started the
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car and began driving. You encountered a makeshift roadblock that a nice, sweaty
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gentleman set up to divert traffic. I don't know or see. The flashes
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of light you observed on the horizon were the result of a series of attempts
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to open a portal between dimensions as part of the Montauk Project. The man
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in the suit you encountered was actually human hybrid employed by a private intelligence firm
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tasked with diverting incoming road traffic. They were posted eight miles out from the
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test site. On every road. The agents used telepathic suggestion to coerce people
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into turning back. You, however, were more resistant to their mind controlled
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technology, so the agents restrained you for a period of time and blocked your
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memory. Would you like to retrieve your memories of this event? Wait?
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You mean I can retrieve my memory? Perhaps your memories may contain fragments of
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memories from others contained in the ACAHK records or collective Unconscious, or the thought
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impressions of my programmers recorded at the time of transmission. The retrieval process will
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take approximately one hundred and two minutes. Shall I proceed. I'll have to
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get back to you on that. Wow, this AI is just getting out
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of control. Yeah, well, let's go ahead and bring on Ron James.
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He's the director of media relations for Moufon and he has written and produced
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a new documentary, Accidental Truth, and he wants to talk to you about
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it, and I want to ask him some questions. Sort of has that
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twenty twenty two vibe to it with all the UFO stuff and now the focus
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has kind of shifted to AI. But we're going to get into it with
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Ron, but first, let me play the trailer for Accidental Truth. The
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UFO reality can no longer be denied. In twenty seventeen, The New York
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Times broke a front page story about a shadowy government program. Pentagon had this
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secret UFO monitoring agency which nobody knew about. Don't ask me, because I'm
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not going to tell you. Instead of answers, we've been given a new
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narrative. The UAPs are not ours or any foreign governments. Then the question
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is whose are they. You can ask the questions, but who you're going
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to ask them of. And you've got to make sure you're asking the right
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people. There are many things that are out there in the ether who aren't
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officially brought to our attention. How would have to be officially brought here?
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I'm bringing it to you. Do you expect to see real answers in this
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report? Honestly I don't think so. Jacob memorable quote in that is technology
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not of this earth, not made by man. That's a profound moment.
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So have you studied classified materials? But you just don't have them? I
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just shouldn't say anything more. Individuals Pentagon confirmed to rog wos pace could have
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for real, it's just a complete cover up. Some of ahenomena point to
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an interaction with consciousness. Maybe the physical evolved from consciousness. Life may exist
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in all sorts of forms. The question is what's our definition of life?
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All right? We are connecting with Ron James of mof on standby. Wow.
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Hello, is this Ron? It is? How are you? I'm
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doing great? How are you good? Good? Are we doing video or
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is it just audio? Just audio? Just audio? Okay, yeah,
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I don't have a YouTube channel or anything, so just the podcast. Awesome?
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So you had you had emailed Fringe Radio Network, which is Johnny McMahon
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is the main dude that runs the network, and then I have a podcast
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separately on the network. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, and my
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podcast in particular, we do talk a lot about UFOs and disclosure and so
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it's great. Johnny forwarded the email to me and he said, this sounds
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like, you know, this would be the guy you know to go on
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your show. So let me ask you something. You know, ministerry X,
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I'm seeing, are you guys coming from the whole? It has to
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be angels and demons and if you don't believe that you're in trouble kind of
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thing, I would say it's probably a little bit more complicated than that.
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I do have a biblical worldview, sure, but I was very appreciative of
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the documentary because it doesn't just present one option for ultimately like who are the
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alien intelligences that we're dealing with here? Yeah? And you know, the
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thing is, Daniel, that I don't dismiss any of the even coming from
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the from the Christian standpoint, you know, the Catholic Church basically said that
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there's probably life in outer space and that's okay, and and so you know,
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I don't I don't dismiss the idea that there's angelic and demonic forces at
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play here in some of what we're seeing. But but where I get stuck
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is when the other side isn't willing to admit there, you know, that
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there could be flesh and blood aliens, and there could be all kinds of
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forms of life that we just don't understand, And then I get stuck in
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a debate about it, and I kind of want to avoid that, but
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but I'm not not on your side. I think that, uh, there's
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room for for all of this stuff, sure, And ultimately my approach is
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I just want to know what the truth is, whatever that may be.
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And exactly when I think of you know, aliens and and you know,
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we always make this argument there's there's billions and billions and trillions of stars in
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the universe and potentially, you know, trillions of you know, inhabitable planets
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that would also have intelligent life. I think, yeah, statistically, it's
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it's hard to deny that there's probably some other form of intelligent life out there.
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So I definitely allow for that possibility. But I also think that the
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distances involved sort of present an issue, and and I think what we tend
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to be dealing with on Earth is probably a combination of things which may not
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necessarily be alien intelligences or alien species on other planets. I believe that's definitely
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within the realm of possibilities. Well, this is this is cool, and
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and you know, the thing is is what we're learning about the nature of
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reality is that a lot of these phenomenon might be connected, not just not
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because of what they are, but by the mechanisms that they work within physical
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reality. So in other words, you could have somebody that's having a say
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they think they've been abducted by aliens, okay, Or you could have somebody
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that's had an encounter with an angelic being or a demonic being, and the
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mechanism that makes that possible, makes it something that can happen to these people
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is probably used by a lot of different entities putting on a lot of different
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faces whatever they are at the core. And so you know, we're looking
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at this whole nature reality thing and what it actually is trying to show us
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about our world, and so I think it just gets very very interesting.
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And so I try to keep an open mind to all the possibilities, and
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sometimes I get stuck on a show where I'm like, hey, I'm totally
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open to that. I think it's quite possible, and the person on the
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other end is no, but it's the only answer, you know, everything
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from cattle mutilations to everything else, and I just think we need to be
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a little more open minded. Yeah, I'm with you there. I like
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to keep an open mind about all these topics. And in the documentary Accidental
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Truth, toward the end they kind of get into the consciousness discussion and stuff,
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which I think that's kind of the next realm of kind of understanding or
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putting the puzzle pieces together with this whole phenomenon. And I've watched a lot
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of Alien UFO documentaries. I've seen the Phenomenon documentary that came out a couple
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of years ago. Sure, I've seen some of the doctor Greer stuff that
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he's put out too. So I try to look at all the different angles
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and yeah, definitely very interesting stretches. The limits of your imagination and the
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laws of physics and everything. All those things have interested me for a long
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time. Well, I think, you know, we could start the interview
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anytime, But you know, I met with Congressman Tim Burchett. He's in
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the movie, right. Tim is a is a very devout Christian and you
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know in our conversations it's not in the film, but but you know he
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was talking about, well, look, you know the most ancient teachings teach
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of star people, and you know there's the Ezekiel's wheel, and there's all
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kinds of things that might have some kind of implications and that does not interfere
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with my ability to have my beliefs. And I think that's the that's the
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wisest tack really you in all of this is to be open minded and inclusive
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and because we don't know, right and anybody who claims to have this all
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figured out is very suspicious to me. Oh yeah, for sure. So
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I thought the whole concept of the documentary was cool, that this was a
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you know, accidental truths being revealed because a lot of these guys, you
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know, Louis Elizondo, I think maybe like the Bob Lazars, uh and
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these kind of people, they're they're only allowed to talk about what they're allowed
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to talk about, like right, So yeah, I like the idea,
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can you can you give our I think most of our listeners will be familiar
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with Moufon, but can you tell them a little bit about your background kind
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of how you became involved with MOUFON or these sort of subjects. Sure so,
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so, MOUFON is the oldest and largest civilian organization studying the UFO phenomenon.
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There. Next year will be their fifty fifth year. And uh,
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you know, they were formed right after the closing a Project blue Book because
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there was nobody it supposedly nobody in government, you know, carrying the ball
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further, we know that's not true. But they were founded as the Midwest
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UFO Organization and then they grew to the Mutual UFO Network. Over the years,
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they've had the ability to amass UFO reports of you know, onrede hundred
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and fifty thousand sidings in their database, and we've done more work than anybody
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else in the field. And then today MOUFON has over seven thousand members worldwide,
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including boots on the ground field investigators that actually go out and try to
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get to the bottom of these things. So it's a heck of an organization.
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It's grown now to the point where we have our own lobbying firm in
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Washington, we have our own laboratory, we have our own photo analysis department,
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we have a dive team, we have a TV channel, we have
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a TV studio, and we're still and you know, we're doing a lot
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of work helping experiencers, which are people that have had things happen to them
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that they can't explain. So Mouffon has really risen to the occasion of being
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the community for people to care about UFOs. And I got into the topic
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back when I hired to do a because I own a video production company and
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they hired my company to do a live streaming of an ex conference. It
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was called in Washington, d C. And that was back in two thousand
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and seven, and I was just enthralled by the UFO subject. I was
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into it as an armchair officion AUTO before that, but when I started seeing
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these people come up and talking and telling these stories, I realized that,
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you know, this is a mass deception being perpetrated on humanity. Whatever the
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root of this is, the very fact that they exist in a tangible way
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is a huge secret, and I don't think that the people holding that secret
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deserve to have it. So I'd set off to do something about it,
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and I've made a few documentaries about UFOs. I've made a few shows,
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and then I got the opportunity to team up with Moufon and create Muffon Television.
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And again, you know, this is an organization that's dedicated to the
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scientific understanding of the topic. So when there's people out there saying all kinds
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of wild things and conjecture and there this or they're that and without any proof,
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that's not That's not the camp I want to be in. And I'm
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very happy to be aligned with Moufan because we stand for rational, critical thinking
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in solving this issue and not just going off the off the rails to see
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how many books we can sell. So it was a good affiliation. And
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that's basically the story in a nutshell. So you've you've had a personal interest
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in the UFO phenomenon for quite a long time. It sounds like not just
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you know, on the production side of that sort of thing. Yeah,
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my interests in I was when I first got into video production. I was
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like getting hired to help out film crews when they were in my area,
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you know, doing Suffer Discovery Channel, shooting hurricanes, things like that.
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But it wasn't really the reason I got into video I really wanted to do
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things that had an effect on people's You know, personal journeys too, because
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I I really think that that you know, we're human beings or we're spiritual
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beings here having a human experience, and for whatever reason we're here. I
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think that if I can do productions that help people focus more on the fact
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that there's way more to our existence than these four walls around us, that's
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kind of stuff I wanted to focus on. So I've covered, you know,
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physics in the nature of reality and what we're starting to learn about about
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you know, our physical reality and what this universe actually is. I've done
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a lot of stuff with life after death, people having near death experiences,
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spiritually transformative experiences, things like that. And then of course the UFO topic,
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which is the subjective of the movie Accidental Truth, which I just released.
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That's great, So you've got a broad interest in these sort of topics,
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not just not just UFOs. Yeah, puzzling out the questions of life
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from an objective standpoint. It amazes me how many people are just they're so
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caught up in the day to day that they're not thinking about stuff. And
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it's kind of it's none of my business what people think or how they choose
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to spend their time. But I really in my personal situation, I'm more
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interested in studying the world around us and the pathway that we're on and understanding
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that we're you know, it doesn't end here. That should be a given
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for everybody that we should all understand that that consciousness survives death from a scientific
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standpoint, And it amazes me that if we all accepted that in a tangible
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way, it would change the entire planet. We treat each other better,
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we would understand that this isn't the end. You know. It's like like
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your ministry and Christianity and all the things that you guys care about. If
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the world truly embraced that in a tangible manner, just just in principle,
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you know, not necessarily it has to be this way or that way,
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but just the idea that we're that we're all spiritual creatures. If we understood
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that and lived it, we'd be in a different place. Yeah. I
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mean, that's a big part of my ministry is getting people to reorient themselves
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towards us spiritual worldview. Because we've become so rational and so materialistic, we
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tend to ignore sort of the spiritual component to our existence. And that's kind
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of like step one basically is getting people to kind of shift their their paradigm
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just a little or just to even you know, consider something that may be,
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like you said, you know, beyond their day to day what they
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think of or their day to day existence. Yeah, that's a very important
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like component of you know what we talk about here too. And you know,
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it's like, let's look at what's going on in Russia. We've got
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the head of the Russian Orthodox Church who is basically condoning this war, and
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we really need to understand that dal shall not kill means dal shall not kill.
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And so when I see religious leaders backing up violence and destruction and death,
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it doesn't make any sense to me at all. And so, you
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know, just collectively, they say that that maybe aliens are watching us,
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and maybe there's a galactic family out there of spacefaring civilizations. They're not going
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to let us up there the way we're going. Yeah, that's kind of
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a that's kind of a theme, you know, especially from a lot of
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the contact ease. You know, when they're contacted by these alien intelligences,
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you know that they're here to help us evolve or something, or they're here
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to intervene to stop us from killing each other so that we can sort of
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graduate to this you know, higher level of consciousness or existence, and they're
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here to kind of guide us, which leads me to think that maybe these
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things didn't start showing up in nineteen forty seven. In other words, these
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things have been with us throughout our entire history, since the beginning of ancient
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civilization. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, there's all kinds of stories
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that come out of the past about these the you know, the Anunaki stories
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and the stories that were put forth in the books that were written by what
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was his name he passed away, Zachariah Hilchin, where he basically said that
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there's a whole story of these aliens that came down and did DNA on us
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and genetically engineered us. You know, it's really interesting when you look at
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things from a traditional standpoint, a traditional religious standpoint, and then you look
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at things from another standpoint of where they're saying, well, the this was
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this and this. There's people that say, if you substitute the word alien
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for angel in the book in the Old Testament, it tells a whole different
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story. But I questioned, rather, that's really a wise thing, because
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I find myself thinking a lot that all of these things are at play,
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and that there truly is good and evil in this world, and there truly
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are probably forces for good and evil that we don't see. And however those
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manifest they're real and are do they explain everything? No, they don't.
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Is it possible that there's a whole galactic federation of spacefaring species. It's totally
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possible. But you know, when you start asking the questions, that's when
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the journey gets really exciting. Is when you really start asking questions and looking
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for the answers inside yourself and you spend time pursuing this, That's that's when
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the whole topic just becomes fascinating. I totally agree with you on that.
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So the do you want to talk a little bit about the documentary specifically?
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Sure, if you'd like to kind of tell people about it, I'll probably
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play a trailer for everybody, you know as part of the podcast. But
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if you want to go into that and how that kind of came about,
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I think that would be great. Yeah. So in twenty eighteen, I
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had the opportunity to interview Lue Alizondo, fresh off of his you know,
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coming out on television about the potential for aliens and saying that he ran this
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this secret program to study UFOs, And you know, I got to spend
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some time with him before things blew up for him and he was less and
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less accessible, and so I ended up having one of the only interviews that
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was really shot in a professional setting that wasn't being controlled by media companies that
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had him sewn up. And and there was a couple of things that he
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said in this interview, including acknowledging that there probably is a non human intelligence
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and other things that he kind of slipped and he didn't mean to say these
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things, or I asked him a question that put him in a situation where
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he, you know, he couldn't really answer, But the fact that he
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couldn't answer in the way he responded really told the story. And that's where
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I got the idea for the film. And that's the reason it's called Accidental
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Truth is because there's several people in the film that are in possession of heavily
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classified information that I interviewed, and I asked them some really good questions and
35:37
the answers that they gave us, you know, you can say something's not
35:40
true, but at the same time, if your language and your verbiage and
35:45
your body language and your eye movement and everything else tells a different story.
35:50
So that's why the film's called accidental Truth. Because we have not only a
35:53
paper chain of government documentation and you know, acknowledgments, but we also have
36:00
these people who do know these things who are duty bound not to share them.
36:06
We have these people kind of slipping up here and there and telling us
36:09
very important information. And so the film is basically about the years between the
36:15
end of Project Blue Book and the current day, and we go into crash
36:22
debris. A debrief magazine said, we make the best case yet for there
36:27
being UFO crashes and materials recovered. We go into detail about some of the
36:31
materials that we believe will recovered. We go into detail about the myths about
36:36
their origin and how we can disprove those, and then we talk about a
36:39
whole lot of technology that was being investigated that and proof with government reports.
36:46
So they're trying to whitewash the past. The new narrative we call it is
36:51
basically saying that there's no real interest in UFOs until this program started. That
36:55
Alisondo is involved in and we're just pointing out with proof that that's a lie,
37:01
and that they have been studying UFOs in corporations and in government, secret
37:07
government programs. They never stopped. And so they're trying to pull the wool
37:12
over our eyes with this new story and whitewash the entire history where you know,
37:16
crimes against humanity could have been committed. If you are sitting here on
37:20
a technology that could change the way we make energy and you haven't shared it
37:24
with humanity, that's a problem. And so whatever the reason for the secrecy,
37:30
they're trying to cover it up and just make it so that it never
37:34
happened. And accidental truth is about stopping them from doing that. And that's
37:39
just sort of the same thing they've been saying all along that the congressional hearings
37:45
that they had, it had been fifty years since they had a congressional hearing
37:49
on UFOs, and it's basically a repeat of what they were saying back in
37:55
the fifties. Yeah, we point that out in the film. It's you
37:59
know, you would I think that with all the resources the government has,
38:01
they could have slightly rewritten the story and hired a new screenwriter, but they
38:07
didn't. They're literally repeating, almost verbatim, the same things that were said
38:12
by Air Force General John Samford back in nineteen fifty three. I think it
38:15
was it's off the charts bad. And to watch it compared to okay,
38:21
let's put these people side by side. Let's put General Samford side by side
38:24
with Maultrie and Bray at the hearing, and let's look how they're saying the
38:29
exact same thing. And some of the major stuff that they say is these
38:32
crafts are doing things that defy the laws of physics. We don't know what
38:36
they are. They might be a threat, and we're determined to find out
38:39
what is causing this. The Air Force made that promise seventy years ago,
38:44
So what have they been doing for seventy years that now they come forward and
38:46
they're saying the exact same thing like, oh, we don't know. It's
38:51
really hard to watch. There are times when I was making the movie that
38:52
I just had to sit back and just kind of put my head in my
38:55
hands and shake my head. Just the ridiculousness of this deception. The only
39:01
thing that it seems the only thing that seems to have changed, or what
39:07
came out of those hearings was the language where they want to kind of destigmatize
39:14
the phenomenon. So basically saying, yes, we're acknowledging that our pilots and
39:20
stuff are seeing these things. We don't know what it is, but it's
39:24
definitely not it's not our own technology, it's definitely not our adversaries technology.
39:31
But taking away the stigma so that you know, pilots would feel more open
39:37
to report these incidences. So it's like they're obviously there's still in they're interested
39:44
in the data because they want to destigmatize you know, uh, being associated
39:52
with reporting these sort of things. You know, for people that you know,
39:55
it used to be the end of your career probably if you you know,
40:00
reported some of these sort of things. Yeah, and you know that
40:02
was by design. What happened was back in the late forties when these things
40:08
were coming to the forefront inside the military and inside the top echelonza government.
40:14
You know, there was a group assigned to manage this and figure out what
40:16
it was and study it. And some people say it was Majestic twelve,
40:21
but it might have been that, or it might have been a similar group,
40:24
but it stands a reason that somebody would have been assigned to this and
40:28
had accountability only to the top people in government. And once they decided that
40:32
this thing needed to be kept a secret, that was the beginning of a
40:37
very established protocol with a lot of different facets to maintain the secrecy. And
40:43
one of the things that was very very important was to discourage our front facing
40:47
military from addressing this issue. You know, people in the Pentagon, most
40:52
of them are of the mind that we can't talk about the UFO thing.
40:58
If you saw something, don't say any thing, because it will it could
41:00
damage your career. You'll be in for a psyche, value, might get
41:04
grounded as a pilot. So they put in a very effective ridicule factor in
41:09
the UFO thing to basically to keep the military, to make the military stand
41:14
down and not get involved. And that was that was a you know,
41:19
that was a very detailed, very comprehensive program that somebody thought up. Because
41:22
if you have the front facing military, you know that the generals we see
41:25
at the Pentagon, the pilots we see on the planes, if they're all
41:29
talking about UFOs, then it's going to be really hard to keep this thing
41:31
under wraps. So they created this very elaborate way to make sure that anybody
41:37
that brought it up was discredited, and that the people in the military were
41:43
basically trained to ignore this topic. And that was for you know, that
41:46
was by design because it enabled them to maintain the secrecy. Yeah, and
41:53
there's also this issue of everything's compartmentalized, so not everybody knows everything. And
42:02
I think that the the the truth is probably known to just a handful of
42:07
individuals within the military or the government, and that's something that's maintained, you
42:14
know, throughout you know, each administration for for decades now. I read
42:20
John B. Alexander is in your documentary, yes, and I had read
42:25
his book on UFOs from several years ago, and it was the same sort
42:30
of story. I'm going to talk about this, this and this and this,
42:34
but I can't talk about this, this and this and this right.
42:38
But I'm also you know, trying to spel some of these myths and and
42:43
that sort of thing about the phenomenon, and just you know, gave his
42:47
sort of opinion. But it was you know, every time I watch a
42:52
documentary or I watch a or I read a book or something, it's just
42:54
kind of a rehashing of the same old stuff we've heard for a long time,
43:00
so it was refreshing to watch this and the way it was left open
43:06
ended and presented just in my opinion, some of the most solid arguments you
43:13
know, for crash retrieval that sort of thing. Now, what what are
43:19
we retrieving? Is my ultimate question. Are these alien spacecraft from other planets
43:24
that have crash landed on Earth or is it some sort of research project,
43:30
you know, black project being ran by the military experimental aircraft or something.
43:37
If they've recovered bodies, are these some kind of you know, are these
43:39
clones? Are these genetically engineered human beings? Or you know? Those are
43:44
the kind of questions that sort of haunt me. I guess sure, and
43:47
you know that those are all things that we can speculate about, but we're
43:52
not going to get the answers, I think, anytime soon. But those
43:53
are good questions, and I think that you know, at some point,
43:59
it's it seems pretty clear that some kind of debris from some kind of object
44:05
that was not made by human hands was recovered. And the reason that we
44:08
can assume that, well, we assume nothing, but the evidence for that
44:13
basically comes from the isotopic ratios of some of the material that is not classified
44:19
that basically says, yeah, this might be a titanium alloy, but the
44:22
way the isotopes are arranged in this it could not have been made on planet
44:27
Earth. The molecular structure is different than if you found titanium here. And
44:31
this is something that has been proven, and there are samples of materials in
44:36
the public arena that display these characteristics. And then the idea that's maybe some
44:43
of this is technology that we're developing, certainly, but we've been trying to
44:46
back engineer stuff from the beginning. There's clear evidence and lots of testimony about
44:53
reverse engineering projects inside of industry like Lockheed raytheon North of Grumm and you know
45:00
these companies that are in aerospace and more so. Yeah, it's a combination,
45:06
I think of all of these things. But one thing that the film
45:10
doesn't really touch upon is sort of the occult connection with a lot of especially
45:16
the experiencers, but also I think this might be a component in the most
45:27
compartmentalized, most top secret projects that are being funded that they are in fact
45:37
in contact with some sort of intelligence that's not from this Earth or some sort
45:44
of inter dimensional intelligence that's that's helping them with the blueprints or the technology to
45:52
this sort of thing which then we're trying to develop based on the plans that
45:59
we're being given, and that the actual you know, craft, the nuts
46:02
and bolt stuff that's being reported, that's being cited, that's things that we're
46:07
working on. But with the blueprints or the ideas or you know, the
46:14
physics or even like the mathematics that we're getting from these alien intelligences, I
46:20
think that maybe that's what ultimately is at the top level of what they're covering
46:24
up, is this sort of exchange of technology and ideas. Yeah, you
46:31
know, they say that even back in the there's rumors that even back in
46:35
the days of Hitler he received plans to build to build spaceships basically, and
46:40
that they did it. It's very frightening. And another thing about the whole
46:46
occult connection, John Alexander kind of let it slip in interview that we were
46:51
doing he was involved in non lethal weapons research for the army, and on
46:55
the surface, you think, well, what do we talk about rubber bullets,
46:59
you know, things like that, But it was way more than that.
47:02
John Alexander was studying non lethal weapons research. One of the things he
47:08
did was went to Brazil and worked with shamans doing ritual magic and to see
47:15
that, you know, that was part of the non lethal weapons program.
47:19
It means that these guys are exploring, you know, realms and dimensions that
47:25
are definitely not what we would expect. And so there's a certain amount of
47:32
history to all this that says, yeah, and there's probably something to that.
47:37
And then you know, luel Is Isondo told me that a lot of
47:40
the pushback that he got running the A TIP program from the rank and file
47:45
military and people in d D, the Department of Defense. A lot of
47:50
the pushback he got with doing the research he did was that there are very
47:54
fundamental people in these organizations and there's a lot of them that are convinced there's
48:00
an angelic, demonic element to this and we shouldn't be messing with it.
48:02
And it's a size of it was enough of a group of people to create
48:09
sizable opposition to these programs, and so when you mentioned what you're mentioning,
48:15
it gets kind of scary. And one of the reasons I didn't tap into
48:17
that in the movie is because it's a whole other rabbit hole. I mean,
48:22
make a whole film just about that. And I wanted to stay you
48:25
know, I wanted to stay neutral in a way to these possibilities. But
48:30
yeah, the idea that there's other beings that are interacting with us on all
48:37
kinds of esoteric ways, I think that that's probably the case. So you're
48:43
familiar with Jack Parsons and his work with Alistair Crowley and l Ron Hubbard and
48:50
the sort of magical rituals that they were doing. They practiced, you know,
48:54
occult magic, and this happened in nineteen forty seven, and a lot
49:00
of people have theorized that whatever they were doing trying to you know, something
49:05
they did open to portal and that somehow we're seeing an increase in this sort
49:09
of activity, you know, throughout the Cold War and everything, based on
49:15
you know, some of the rituals that they were performing. I don't think
49:19
that's the whole story, but there has been a lot of speculation about that.
49:23
Well, you can't deny the power of of these forces. You can't
49:28
deny that, for lack of a better word, that magic has some sort
49:32
of ability to affect the reality around us, and the rituals and different types
49:38
of approaches. You can't deny that there's there's evidence that these things are effective
49:45
in some way and that practitioners of these of these things can make things happen
49:52
that the rest of us can't. And Crowley and his work is you know,
49:55
it's off the chart scary and if they really did do that, and
50:00
and I'm not in a position to really speculate, but you know, nothing's
50:02
off the table in this. And it is interesting that you mentioned the timeframe,
50:07
and that gets back to sort of the the consciousness argument too, which
50:13
you do touch upon on the film. I think there's a connection there because
50:16
basically magic illusion it's it's manipulating people's consciousness, and our government has actually been
50:23
involved with you know, mind control experimentation and that sort of thing. Your
50:29
your documentary mentions a project paper Clip that brought over a lot of the German
50:36
scientists and stuff after the war. Some of those went also to Soviet Union
50:43
and into their universities and that sort of thing. So I definitely think there's
50:50
a component to this. In other words, would would UFOs? Would aliens
50:53
really exist if it if it wasn't for us and our sort of uh,
51:00
connection that we seem to have with them. So you you mentioned, uh,
51:06
sort of this this schism inside the military over the nature of this these
51:14
projects, and so are you familiar with the story of the Collins Elite and
51:19
what Nick Redfern talked about. Not entirely, but you can mention it.
51:27
So basically, he was saying there was a group within the I think the
51:32
Department of Defense that was the group that you were speaking of, providing that
51:39
pushback, saying, hey, we need to stop, you know, contacting
51:45
these things and trying to make contact and working on these sort of projects,
51:52
because you know, this is dangerous. These these beings, whoever they are,
51:55
that we're contacting, don't necessarily have our best interests, you know,
52:00
in mind. And so Colin's Elite was sort of a nickname that was given,
52:07
you know, to this group. That was another interesting rabbit hole.
52:13
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. This is this is fascinating.
52:17
I try to stay away from the spiritual implications of all this just because I,
52:23
I don't know, it's a little scary to be honest, I don't
52:27
like to give credence to any dark forces, and I don't like to uh
52:31
to speculate when I have the ability to address a lot of people, you
52:37
know, what I think is really it's it's not anybody else needs to be
52:42
influenced by my own personal thoughts and beliefs, and I'm not. I'm not
52:45
the person that should be doing that for other people. They can think for
52:49
themselves, and so I kind of stay away from that in the mainstream arena
52:53
just because it makes sense. You know, you've got a ministry and you
52:58
have a you have a position to do the things that you're doing and say
53:01
the things that you're doing and people understand what what what it's about. I
53:06
don't have that, and it's it's not my job to go out and tell
53:08
people what to believe. Sure, what do you think? What do you
53:14
think is the sort of big secret that's being covered up? Why has so
53:20
much resources been put into covering up and not only that, but disguising the
53:29
phenomenon and even to the point of, you know, putting disinformation out there,
53:34
like is it in other words, is it is it a national security
53:38
issue? Is it? You know, because the disclosure would cause this sort
53:44
of societal upheaval. Well, you know, it's it's interesting that used to
53:51
when they when they had the Robertson panel, that was pretty much the conclusion.
53:52
If we tell people there's aliens or whatever non human intelligence is engaging the
53:59
human race is a good way to put it. It covers up almost everything.
54:05
Then there's going to be the societal upheaval. It's going to upend religion,
54:07
it's going to upend the economy. I think the modern way to respond
54:14
to that it used to be, well, yes we're ready for the truth,
54:16
or no we're not. But what I think now, after you know,
54:20
having years to think it through, is that it's not so much about
54:23
the revelation of that information. It's about the context that it's going to be
54:28
in. So, in other words, if government came forward and said,
54:31
you know what, we're being visited by extraterrestrials. They've been here for all
54:36
of our recorded history and beyond. We don't know much, but we know
54:40
they're here. They don't seem to be bothering us, we're not bothering them,
54:45
and they exist. But you know it's okay. Then you know people
54:50
are going to go yeah, I knew it was something like that, and
54:52
they're pretty much going to go on with their lives. But if the announcement
54:54
comes out and says, you know, there's non human intelligences of variety of
55:00
them engaging the human race. They're coming from all different aspects, including forms
55:07
of life that we don't even understand. Some of them appear to have a
55:09
dark agenda for our outcome, and we don't have any way to control any
55:15
of it. Then that's when you're going to get a reaction in society that's
55:21
going to be a little bit unhinged. So it's not so much you know,
55:24
the acknowledgment of these of these beings and these entities and these and these
55:29
things that are around us. It's what it means to your average person that
55:34
is going to determine how we'll respond. And then, of course, if
55:37
there's technology, you know, if there's say that somewhere along the line zero
55:42
point energy is some people say, you know, some sort of energy that
55:45
basically liberates us from fossil fuels and oil companies and power structures. There's a
55:52
lot of people with a lot of power that would do anything to keep that
55:57
from us until we've burned up our last drop of oil and they've made their
56:00
last dollar. So it could be something as nefarious as that it could just
56:04
be there's technology that the people that have it in their possession are not willing
56:08
to share it with humanity for you know, all kinds of reasons that have
56:13
to do with the way power is wielded on this planet. Right, Well,
56:17
it leads me to think that whatever it is that's being covered up is
56:21
something big. And also, you know, in that scenario, people are
56:27
going to be like, Okay, well what are you going to do about
56:30
it? And if the government doesn't want doesn't want to appear vulnerable, you
56:36
know, like we don't really know what it is, or we don't really
56:38
know how to control it, or we you know, this is technology that's
56:43
you know, much more advanced than anything that we could compete with. Then
56:47
I think, in other words, I don't think that we're going to have
56:51
full disclosure until they have some sort of framework narrative to where they can basically
56:58
assume like control over the situation, or at least the appearance of control.
57:04
I think that's that's exactly true what we're seeing, what we saw in twenty
57:09
seventeen, and in the film, we look at both angles of this.
57:13
But I'm convinced that some people say it was an organized, planned roll out
57:17
of information with the front people like Elizondo and Melon and help put Off and
57:22
all these guys that came out through TTSA, that these guys are back actually
57:27
working, they're unrolling a plan. And then some people that say, of
57:31
that's preposterous, it's not like that. I personally think that it is an
57:36
organized rollout. I think that Lou and Chris and all these guys are still
57:38
working. They're helping to put forth what we call the new narrative story so
57:45
that they have a framework to start disseminating this information in a way that doesn't
57:49
leave anybody accountable for the sins of the past. Yeah, that's a good
57:55
insight. Well, is there anything else you want to talk about regarding the
58:00
film or Well, you know, one thing that's very interesting is that,
58:06
you know, I've had a really unexpected amount of opposition to this film.
58:12
I've had people there were several people that threatened me and the distributor before the
58:15
film ever came out, and since it came out, there's I'm being stalked
58:20
online by people that are dropping bad reviews and trying to trying to lower the
58:24
film's effect and distribution. The release was sabotaged. During the whole process of
58:30
making the film, I was constantly aware that I was under surveillance. And
58:35
you know, it's like the stories I could tell sound like something out of
58:37
a paranoid UFO person with a tinfoil hat. And I don't really want to
58:42
tell the stories honestly, because I don't want to be that guy. But
58:45
I mean, I lived this stereotypical stuff that you hear from some of these
58:51
people and find hard to believe. I lived through some of this stuff.
58:54
I mean like coming home and realizing that somebody has been in your house up
59:00
in the middle of the night, and your computer's chattering away, and according
59:04
to the data transfer logs on the computer, your entire hard drive is being
59:07
harvested by somebody who's tapped into your computer. So it's like they were watching
59:13
me make the movie, which I know that sounds weird, but when you're
59:16
poking the when you're poking the military and corporate establishment blatantly in the eye,
59:22
and you watch the film so you know, we're not pulling any punches.
59:27
It is a good old fashioned get to the truth documentary. And yeah,
59:32
there's been a lot of just weird things that kind of made me feel like
59:37
almost it came out on April eighteenth, and until I saw the icon appear
59:42
on Amazon Prime and it was really really out and people could get it,
59:46
I wasn't convinced that it was going to ever see the light of day,
59:52
that people wouldn't be able to search and find it, et cetera. Yeah,
59:55
I mean the release was sabotaged. It's only you know, I should
1:00:00
mention that Matthew Modine, the famous actor, is the narrator of this film,
1:00:04
and I think that if it wasn't for that fact, it might have
1:00:07
got buried. Of course, word of mouth is starting to take off now,
1:00:10
so it's good. But yeah, there was just all kinds of just
1:00:15
ridiculous things that had no logical explanation that got in my way the whole process.
1:00:21
It was a year and a half in the editing and making the film
1:00:27
was a pleasure. It was the film I wanted to make, and it
1:00:29
is the film I wanted to make, and I'm very happy with it.
1:00:31
But some of the just logistics and the personalities and the treachery and deception that
1:00:37
I had to endure going through getting this to the public, it's just off
1:00:43
the charts, and I don't think I'm going to be doing another UFO documentary.
1:00:46
Wow, so you did, but you didn't have like an MiB show
1:00:51
up at your door, like late at night or anything like that. Well,
1:00:53
I mean they didn't show up knocking. But you know, when you
1:00:55
come home and something's clearly been moved in your house, that's a signal that
1:01:00
you're not safe and I don't know why. And you know what's really funny
1:01:05
is, at this point in time, I'm not afraid of like some secret
1:01:08
government agency coming after me. I put out the film. They were watching
1:01:13
me make the film. I'm convinced of that, and if there was a
1:01:15
real problem with it, then I probably would have got that kind of visit.
1:01:17
What I'm more concerned about is their uphology is suddenly the field has traditionally
1:01:24
been something where nobody makes any money. Guys dedicate their entire life to studying
1:01:30
the topic. They write the books, they do the research, they go
1:01:32
to the conferences. But it's never about about, you know, getting rich
1:01:37
off of UFOs. There's very few people that have done that, and most
1:01:42
people don't, and most people don't that's not on their agenda. But in
1:01:45
twenty seventeen, Daniel that changed. There's money in UFOs, lots of it,
1:01:52
and so now everybody is clamoring for the story, clamoring for the scoop,
1:01:58
clamoring for the copyright, and if they're a filmmaker or there's somebody out
1:02:01
there who's got a position where they're making money off of this topic, they
1:02:07
will stop at nothing to preserve their position. And it's shocking and it's scary.
1:02:13
I'm more afraid of I'm more afraid of the people that are making money
1:02:15
off UFOs right now doing something nefarious to hurt me that I am of the
1:02:21
government or the people that I expose in the film. It's really it's a
1:02:25
very treacherous ocean at this point. Yeah. Well, part of my prep
1:02:30
for this interview was I went and looked up the film and looked up some
1:02:32
reviews and stuff, and you could definitely see that, like the difference between
1:02:37
people who had actually seen the film and had like an honest commentary about it
1:02:42
or said is great, and then the ones all the one star ratings that
1:02:46
were just like, Wow, this is just more of the same crap I've
1:02:50
always heard, and you could tell the genuineness of the reviewers based on you
1:02:59
know, just it's almost like they hadn't seen the film. Yeah, And
1:03:04
I know for a fact because I've been told that there is a certain group
1:03:08
of people. There's a couple groups of people. One is just the UFO
1:03:13
haters that you have them in the community. They're going to go off and
1:03:15
they're going to lamb base anything they can. And the other is another group
1:03:20
of filmmakers that have friends and whenever something comes out that might compete with them,
1:03:24
you know, the accidental truth on IMDb got seven one star ratings before
1:03:32
you could even watch the film, and it's like what and there's like twenty
1:03:37
four one star ratings on there when it's just nuts. It's clearly a situation
1:03:46
where people know that you can go on IMDb and you don't have to prove
1:03:51
that you watch the movie. You don't have to really tell anybody who you
1:03:53
really are. That's one place that you can go and you can leave bogus
1:03:57
reviews and you can leave bogus star ratings and anybody can do it. But
1:04:01
you have to be inside the industry to understand that that's true. And so,
1:04:05
yeah, it's a bunch of people calling their friends go bomb this movie.
1:04:09
And luckily, you know, I have friends too, So I'm like,
1:04:12
look, I'm not going to tell you what to say about the movie,
1:04:15
and I'm not even going to ask you how to rate it, but
1:04:16
could you please go do it? And so I've had I've been in it
1:04:19
like a battle with these with these star bots. And what happens is your
1:04:24
IMDb rating shows on Amazon before the Amazon reviews come in. And so if
1:04:29
you get if you get star bombed on IMDb, it makes your movie look
1:04:32
like it sucks when you're on Amazon Prime, and and you know it's it's
1:04:36
it's a very effective form of attack, it really is. Yeah, because
1:04:43
on quick inspection, people look at that star rating and they're just like,
1:04:45
oh, this one must not be very good, right yeah. I mean,
1:04:50
luckily, you know, it's like that. At some point the public
1:04:55
takes over, and so you can have these people that in the beginning think
1:04:58
they can hurt you, but at some point point, you know, it's
1:05:00
it's up to the viewers out there to make their own decisions. And luckily
1:05:04
that's what's happening now. I mean, it's got four point two stars on
1:05:08
Amazon Prime. I think it's it's getting close to one hundred reviews so far,
1:05:14
and it hasn't been out that long. It's been in the top ten
1:05:15
documentaries the whole time it's been out worldwide on the iTunes chart, and I
1:05:20
think today it's like number thirteen. But that's that's significant for UFO documentary to
1:05:25
be in the top worldwide documentaries. So the film is going to stand up
1:05:29
on its own and speak for itself. And I just hope people tell their
1:05:32
friends about it. And you know, if you if you go to IMDb
1:05:38
and leave a rating whatever you think it deserves, I'd appreciate it sure.
1:05:43
Well on that note, can you tell people like the best place to go
1:05:45
watch the film? And then also you know, if they have any questions
1:05:51
or want to get in contact with you, where they can reach you.
1:05:56
Yeah, so you can I own move on Television and joint venture with It's
1:06:00
If it's a media inquiry, you can email me at media at moufon dot
1:06:04
com. If it's personal and I love talking to people, and especially when
1:06:10
people have seen the film and they have something to say to me about it,
1:06:12
good or bad, you can reach me at Ron James contact at gmail
1:06:15
dot com. And I'm happy to give that out and then if you want
1:06:19
to learn more about the film, and I'd appreciate it if you put the
1:06:21
link in there somewhere. It's it's Accidental Truths with an S dot Com and
1:06:28
that's where you can go. You can watch the trailer, you can watch
1:06:30
behind the scenes footage, you could buy our awesome T shirts. We have
1:06:33
some autograph posters from Matthew Modine that are for sale on the site. And
1:06:38
you can also click the link to rent it from Amazon Prime or iTunes or
1:06:42
you know, it's on pretty much all the major platforms. So it's Accidental
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Truths with an S dot Com. Okay, perfect, Yeah, and I
1:06:51
can give it a thumbs up. I watched it and it is very well
1:06:56
balanced, pretty much lays everything out on the table. Got that impression from
1:07:02
the film. I think you did a good job with it. And I
1:07:06
appreciate you coming on the show. It's been a great conversation that we've had.
1:07:11
Yeah, and you know, I really appreciate your open mindedness, Daniel,
1:07:15
because, as you know, the Catholic Church a few years ago came
1:07:17
out and said, look, there's probably life and outer space. It doesn't
1:07:20
affect how we worship and how we believe it just makes God's kingdom bigger.
1:07:27
And I think that the closed mindedness on anybody who's approaching this from a closed
1:07:31
minded position is doing everybody at disservice. We all need to understand that we
1:07:38
have to be open minded, we have to be accepting of each other's views,
1:07:42
and that anything is possible and none of us are in a position to
1:07:45
dismiss anything. And so I just think it's great when we can have these
1:07:48
kind of conversations where we can acknowledge that that that's okay and we could be
1:07:54
free of judgment. We can be free of you know, clinging to certain
1:07:59
opinions at the expense of being willing to have a conversation. So I commend
1:08:02
you because I will never say that anybody's view about what this is is incorrect,
1:08:09
because it's a lot of things happening and we don't have a clue.
1:08:14
Really awesome, all right, Well, it's been great talking to you.
1:08:19
Any last words, No, thank you for having me on and I really
1:08:25
appreciate it. And anytime you need to talk to somebody about this stuff,
1:08:29
you know, something happens in UFO land and you want to talk to Mofon.
1:08:31
You can reach out to me and I'll come on. I'm happy to
1:08:33
do it. Yeah, I would definitely love to have you back to talk
1:08:36
about something like this. Well, thank you and thank you for doing such
1:08:40
great work. All right, Ron James of mofon Everybody with a new documentary
1:08:48
out called Accidental Truth, and I think you can pretty much find it streaming
1:08:54
anywhere, probably prime. I will put links in the show description for you
1:09:01
to click on and investigate those things yourself. You've been listening to Ministry X
1:09:10
on Fringe Radio Network. We're gonna jump right into the news after the break,
1:09:18
big story on the UFO whistleblower. There's more details on that. It's
1:09:29
gonna be a three parter special report after the break. Military whistleblower claims US
1:11:40
has UFO retrieval program. This is from NewsNation newsnationnow dot com. An exclusive
1:11:55
and by now you've heard about this and I've been looking at into it for
1:12:00
the past three or four days trying to break this down. So we'll start
1:12:08
with the original article. I'm gonna play a little clip of the interview here
1:12:13
for you in a second. Now, I wonder what Ron James would think
1:12:20
or what he'd have to say about this article. These whistleblower claims. Air
1:12:28
Force veteran David Grush claims the government is covering up UFOs. Grush claims he
1:12:34
has seen evidence of a secret crash retrieval program. These are the bullet points.
1:12:41
He alleges the US has even retrieved bodies from other species. So,
1:12:48
and I was just on, let's get jacked up round table, And this
1:12:56
is exactly what I was saying before I even had a chance to look in
1:13:00
to these reports and watch the interview. You know, first it's gonna be
1:13:09
okay, we admit that sightings are happening. Okay, Then we've got weird
1:13:15
metals and retrieved crashes, and then we've got bodies, And turns out,
1:13:23
you know, that's the next stage of easing us into this acceptance of alien
1:13:30
species, more highly evolved, more advanced from other planets. And like Ron
1:13:42
was saying earlier, the Vatican has come out and said we'll baptize aliens.
1:13:49
What difference does it make. It doesn't affect your faith, And the way
1:13:57
I look at it now, the Catholic Church, the Vatican is leading the
1:14:00
way in this ecumenical movement that's going to eventually incorporate alien intelligences. The twist
1:14:15
I believe is that the so called alien species from other planets are really of
1:14:25
a more terrestrial origin and have been with us since before creation of the human
1:14:35
race. So the Vatican wants to seize on this so they can control the
1:14:42
narrative and be this sort of uniting force. We talked about the Abrahamic Faith
1:14:50
Center, Family Center, whatever it was called an Abu Dhabi on the last
1:14:59
episode. So you're going to see institutions like the Catholic Church start to incorporate
1:15:10
this worldview and they'll find ways to explain it, but it's not the truth.
1:15:24
Let's play this report. So this was from News Nation and the reporter's
1:15:31
name is Elizabeth Vargas, and you can pull up the whole video on their
1:15:36
website. Here we go. UFOs exist. The US government found quite a
1:15:45
number of them, and they are indeed of non human origin. Those are
1:15:50
the explosive allegations from a form. You hear that elligence officer tonight, in
1:15:54
a whistleblower complaint that the Inspector General is taking very seriously. Six year old
1:16:00
Air Force veteran David Grush is exposing what he calls a top secret military program
1:16:06
that has reportedly found wreckage of fully intact UFOs. The government now calls them
1:16:13
UAPs, or unidentified anomaloust phenomena. For years, there have been whispers and
1:16:18
rumors that the government had aircraft of non human origin. This report is the
1:16:24
first evidence it might be true. The Inspector General has called Brush's complaint urgent
1:16:30
and credible. Tonight, we have a World Television exclusive interview with the whistleblower
1:16:34
in which he claims we not only have the aircraft, but the government has
1:16:40
been keeping much of its secret from Congress and from the public. Newsnation's senior
1:16:45
national correspondent, Brian Nton is here with the story. And this is a
1:16:47
blockbuster. It is a blockbuster. It's okay, and we'll play a little
1:16:53
clip of the interview. Also, now, notice that all the bullet points
1:17:00
on this before we even get into the interview, basically confirm every UFO alien
1:17:08
conspiracy supposition that crazy people like myself and maybe you have suspected and believed for
1:17:20
years. Well, all of a sudden, we have like confirmation from this
1:17:25
guy. So right off the bat, like my skepticism kicks in. I'm
1:17:32
analyzing his face I'm looking at his body language, his eyes, and something
1:17:41
makes me very uncomfortable about this dude watching him in the interview, and I've
1:17:53
struggled for the past few days to convey with the right language just what I
1:18:01
suspect or the conclusions that I'm drawing, or exactly how to explain this to
1:18:10
listeners. We're going to get to the point where they confirm that, actually,
1:18:19
yeah, the next disclosure is going to be that we've been working with
1:18:27
these aliens. And then, of course the final revelation is going to be
1:18:33
they're not aliens, not in the way that our culture looks at aliens.
1:18:40
In other words, species that have evolved on other planets. It's an evolutionary
1:18:47
Darwinist worldview. So is it any wonder that the messages that the contactees get
1:18:56
from the alien intelligences are this like Marxist globalist, environmentalist message, because it's
1:19:08
right in line with UN twenty thirty, it's right in line with you know,
1:19:13
the World Economic Forum, you know, disarmed citizens have a redistribution of
1:19:20
wealth, kill off, you know, two thirds of the population panopticon,
1:19:30
you know, mass surveillance of the globe. These are all good things.
1:19:35
And if you look at like Star Trek and stuff. That's the world that
1:19:39
they live in, you know, two three hundred years in the future.
1:19:44
You know, the weather control system is fully you know, operational, but
1:19:48
it's presented from like an altruistic viewpoint, like these things are done for the
1:19:57
benefit of humanity and the environment in which we live on. But the reality
1:20:04
that we're facing on planet Earth is that oligarchs and NGOs and governments and elites
1:20:15
and these huge corporations and defense contractors, they're the ones that stand to benefit
1:20:28
from all this, you know, control grid technology. They'll have the option
1:20:34
to opt in or opt out of whatever they want, but we won't.
1:20:41
You know, the average citizen is not going to have access to the med
1:20:45
beds and all the stuff that you see in Star Trek. They don't want
1:20:54
a multi racial society, they want a class society. Two. Class is
1:21:00
the upper class, you know, the top of the pyramid as it breaks
1:21:04
away, the breakaway civilization, the Elysium, and the rest of us the
1:21:11
surf class. But it's gonna be pretty cool. You know, most of
1:21:19
your day to day activities will be controlled so you don't have to think about
1:21:24
it. You'll get your com pod as Jay Dyer says, and your video
1:21:31
games your VR and you'll live a life of contentment while you slowly go insane.
1:21:43
But they've got drugs to control that as well. And I'm getting off
1:21:48
topic here. Let's play a little clip from the interview with News Nation of
1:21:57
the whistleblower. You are one of the most trusted former intelligence officials in the
1:22:06
US Defense and intelligence establishment. Yes, I was. You were trusted with
1:22:11
the most intimate secrets. Yes, Grush sitting down with award winning investigative journalist
1:22:16
Ross Coltheart, who's reporting for News Nation and has spent years reporting on the
1:22:21
UFO, question, what conclusion did you come to at the end of your
1:22:27
time on the UAP Task Force? The UAP Task Forces refuse access to a
1:22:32
broad crash retrieval program. When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean?
1:22:39
These are retrieving non human origin technical vehicles, you know, call it
1:22:44
spacecraft if you will, non human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or
1:22:48
crashed. We have spacecraft from another species, we do? Yeah? How
1:22:55
many? Quite a number? You're kidding now. I thought it was totally
1:23:00
nuts, and I thought at first I was being deceived. It was a
1:23:02
ruse. People started confiding in me. They approached me. I have plenty
1:23:09
of current former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many which I knew
1:23:13
almost my whole career, that can confide it to me. They were a
1:23:15
part of a program. They named the program. I've never heard of it.
1:23:19
And they told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided
1:23:25
me documents and other other proof that there was in fact a program that the
1:23:30
UAP Task Force was not right into. Le Okay, so all of this
1:23:41
may in fact be true. Here's the thing. It may also not be
1:23:46
true. It may be partially true. The one assertion that he makes during
1:23:55
this interview, the interviewer asks him, we have spacecraft from other species.
1:24:05
He replies, yes, we do in the affirmative. Now, how does
1:24:14
he know that? First of all, the other thing that needs clarification here
1:24:19
is he didn't see these craft himself. He didn't see bodies himself. This
1:24:28
information was passed to him by numerous people in the Air Force that had knowledge
1:24:41
of these programs, had seen the spacecraft, had seen bodies, giving these
1:24:48
documents to him, and then he becomes the trusted spokesperson for it. In
1:24:59
other words, you can't have someone who's involved in a black project, off
1:25:02
the books, not reporting stuff to Congress, come out and be the spokesperson
1:25:09
for Oh yeah, well, by the way, this secret agency that's been
1:25:14
operating for decades, the shadow government. Here's the documents Congress, and no,
1:25:21
they're going to put a front person and they're going to feed them the
1:25:28
documents, but also going to feed them a certain narrative. So while the
1:25:34
ordinary Congress, you know, the individuals in Congress who just want to know
1:25:39
what's going on on, behalf of their constituency, you know, who keeps
1:25:43
asking them. They may have a genuine interest in what's going on. Understand,
1:25:53
there's only a handful of people that really know the whole story. Everyone
1:25:59
else is compartmentalized. Let me read from the article before I get too off
1:26:05
track. Here, an Air Force veteran and former member of the National Geospatial
1:26:13
Intelligence Agency is coming forward with information on what he claims are extraterrestrial craft recovered
1:26:20
and kept secret by the US government. Blurry videos of unidentified flying objects have
1:26:29
long been a staple of those looking for evidence that stories of UFOs may not
1:26:34
be conspiracy theories. In recent years, the government has taken a more vocal
1:26:41
role in investigating such sightings, with Congress forming an official US government Unidentified Aerial
1:26:47
Phenomena task Force recently renamed to the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or ARROW.
1:27:01
At the same time, NASA and other government agencies have repeatedly said there is
1:27:08
no credible evidence of extraterrestrial activity on Earth, attributing most sightings to natural phenomenon
1:27:15
or human made objects. Oh yeah, that's right. That's the other part
1:27:21
of this story. So literally a week before Grush comes forward with these claims,
1:27:31
NASA issued a statement and we'll come back to this article in a minute,
1:27:39
but I want to jump back a week to the what NASA said.
1:27:46
This is from the Conversation dot com UFOs. What we'll learn from the NASA
1:27:53
panel investigating sightings. A committee set up by NASA has examined about eight hundred
1:27:59
report sports of unidentified anomalous phenomenon UAPs, or what most of us would call
1:28:08
UFOs unidentified flying objects. NASA defines these events as sidings quote that cannot be
1:28:15
identified as aircraft or known natural phenomena from a scientific perspective one. The creation
1:28:24
of this committee shows that NASA is taking potential extraterrestrial events very seriously. On
1:28:32
Wednesday May thirty one, twenty twenty three, the committee held its first public
1:28:38
meeting to discuss what it is doing and what it is found so far,
1:28:44
ahead of a full report later this year. It revealed some reports are easy
1:28:53
to explain as boats, planes, or weather boats, Some had comical lunch
1:29:00
based origins, and only a few remain a mystery lunch based like he ate
1:29:09
something weird, got food poisoning and started hallucinating. The committee is led by
1:29:15
astrophysicist David Spergel and is made up of a team of experts ranging from university
1:29:25
professors to a former astronaut. The study has been using declassified reports and images
1:29:31
to try to explain some of the mysterious reports, which come from all sorts
1:29:36
of sources, including military personnel and commercial airline pilots. Sean Kirkpatrick, director
1:29:45
of the US Defense Department's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office ARROW, which also investigates
1:29:50
such claims, says it receives between fifty and one hundred new reports of UAPs
1:29:57
each month. While ua are essentially just a different name for UFOs, they
1:30:03
don't specifically have to be in the air any anomalous phenomenon are included whether they
1:30:10
are on land, sea, air, or space. So this is a
1:30:15
slightly wider definition than just unidentified flying objects. Yeah, it used to be
1:30:19
unidentified aerial phenomenon. Now it's like all domain, so in the water,
1:30:28
in the air, in another dimension perhaps. Kirkpatrick also says that most UAPs
1:30:39
are easily explained, for example, boats that are low on the horizon,
1:30:43
tracking pilots with strange perspectives. Only about two to five percent of the database
1:30:49
is truly anomalous and cannot yet be explained. So who's more reasonable here the
1:30:57
claims of NASA and Arrow or David Grush. If you understand the dynamics of
1:31:06
what's happening here, then it appears to be some sort of coordinated rollout that
1:31:15
we've been talking about for years and years. You know. The coming alien
1:31:19
deception and accidental truth is about these people saying just so much just what they're
1:31:32
allowed to, these whistleblowers and stuff, to get the general population to sort
1:31:40
of jump to the alien extraterrestrial hypothesis without actually saying it, without actually admitting
1:31:51
it. And I think it goes a level deeper than that, to where
1:31:57
they have been working with non human intelligences. Yeah, they're non human.
1:32:03
It's because they're from a dimensional realm that's not our regular, physical, earthly
1:32:10
realm. They're either from the heavens or they're from below or the ocean.
1:32:24
Okay, all domain baby. There are many examples of such events that initially
1:32:31
appear mysterious but have innocent explanations, except for the ones that don't. One
1:32:40
example occurred at an observatory in Australia where bizarre radio signals were detected. The
1:32:47
confusing signals had strange characteristics, but researchers observed that they were mostly seen around
1:32:55
lunchtime. Oh I heard about this. It turns out that the instruments were
1:33:02
observing microwaves leak out from the lunch room as people prepared their food. Ah
1:33:09
shucks, it's just a microwave. H golly. Some of the data being
1:33:19
studied by NASA has been declassified cleared for release by the US military. Whether
1:33:27
or not footage is classified is determined by who and what took it, not
1:33:31
what the footage was of. For example, if a fighter jet took a
1:33:36
photo of the Statue of Liberty, it would be classified not because of the
1:33:43
subject, but because of what took the photo. The US doesn't want to
1:33:46
show off its imaging capabilities to the whole world. Yeah, okay. Another
1:33:54
amusing revelation came from Scott Kelly, a former NASA astronaut with an impressive resume
1:34:01
who is also on NASA's UAP committee. He has decades of experience as a
1:34:08
Navy pilot, spent an entire year on the International Space Station, and now
1:34:15
sits on the UAP committee. At the recent panel meeting, he described a
1:34:20
flight near Virginia Beach during which he and his co pilot were convinced they flew
1:34:27
right by a UFO. Upon re examination, it turned out to be something
1:34:31
much more down to earth. Kelly said, I didn't see it. We
1:34:38
turned around, we went to look at it. Turns out it was Bart
1:34:43
Simpson a balloon. Geezee, guys. Yeah, the military, the government,
1:34:50
they're not working with alien intelligences. They're not experimenting making their own technology.
1:35:00
It's not advanced technology that we're trying to keep secret. Not most of
1:35:04
the times. It's just stuff like Bart Simpson or microwaves. And yeah,
1:35:15
there's a handful of unsolved cases. We just don't have enough data. But
1:35:20
it's definitely, definitely not the US government, and it's not experimental aircraft,
1:35:30
it's not Chinese drones. It's not that either. I wonder if maybe the
1:35:36
government's just hiding the fact that they're aliens because they're worried that human civilization is
1:35:44
going to collapse if they find out aliens are real. But you know,
1:35:49
the Catholic Church says, it's fine, it doesn't interfere with your theology,
1:35:55
you know, to trust these people. In fact, these aliens, they're
1:36:00
obviously more evolved than us. They have more wisdom, they have more knowledge,
1:36:03
they have more technology to share, and they just have a few tips
1:36:10
for human civilization to help get us on the right track. Continuing with the
1:36:23
article, this highlights the difficulty of analyzing footage and reports that come from such
1:36:29
a wide range of sources. Much of the data used at the moment is
1:36:33
low quality, making it harder to unravel the mysteries it might contain. As
1:36:40
a result, the committee is hoping to remove the stigma around reporting sidings to
1:36:45
encourage more people to come forward with their anomalous observations. Talked about that also,
1:36:54
in particular, it hopes that commercial pilots will become less reluctant to port
1:37:00
strange encounters. Pilot reports might help explain more of the footage the committee receives,
1:37:06
especially if some of it is high quality, reliable data. And the
1:37:15
article continues, but I'm not going to read the rest of it. Yeah,
1:37:23
so, just a week before Grush comes out with these claims, you
1:37:30
know, this NASA panel has this hearing to sort of set the stage,
1:37:40
and they appear to be contrary to each other. NASA is giving you the
1:37:50
typical government brush off. You know, most of this is explainable, but
1:37:58
we're not saying it's not aliens. Right, Maybe it's aliens, but it's
1:38:05
definitely not China or Russia or US. We can tell you that much for
1:38:11
sure. Grush is saying the exact opposite. No, they're definitely alien spacecraft,
1:38:18
alien non human vehicles. And by the way, they've recovered bodies too.
1:38:27
Pilots you know, slumped over the control panels when they come upon these
1:38:34
crashed spaceships. Well, the only way he's going to make a statement like
1:38:41
that is if somebody told him that, yeah, yeah, yeah, these
1:38:45
are alien species. There's all kinds of them. Uh yeah. The stuff
1:38:49
that has been crashing. That's it's it's their space ships from other planets,
1:38:58
you know, so that we don't ask questions about what kind of experimental aircraft
1:39:02
we've been working on, what kind of technology we truly have? We know
1:39:09
the government studied it. There's lots of that that has been declassified. This
1:39:14
is just the section of the program that's highly classified. But of course there
1:39:26
was one ring created to control them all. And who holds the ring,
1:39:30
who's the lord of the rings. That's what's really being obscured here. And
1:39:41
there's a lot of dupes and there's a lot of disinformation, and we need
1:39:45
to be very careful when we analyze these things and what is the spirit of
1:39:51
it, what is the message of it, what is the agenda? Why
1:39:57
does it appear that there is a schism inside our government? Well, I
1:40:04
think that much is true. There's people that genuinely want to get to the
1:40:09
bottom of this, and they have ethical concerns about what's going on about secrets
1:40:15
being held from the public, especially when there's laws in place that require certain
1:40:24
members of Congress, certain heads of certain committees and stuff to be in the
1:40:29
loop. As it concerns some of these things. But we've talked about it
1:40:33
before with the security clearance levels. When you get to the top, Okay,
1:40:39
these are black projects. These don't exist. There's not records of it.
1:40:45
There's a handful of people that are aware of it, and maybe one
1:40:48
or two people that know exactly what's going on and the different intelligences that are
1:41:00
being contacted. So the Pentagon also made a statement about this, I gotta
1:41:10
wrap this up. Let's get into that. Pentagon denies secret UFO retrieval program
1:41:21
after whistleblower bombshell. This is from Fox News. The Pentagon undermined a whistleblower's
1:41:32
claim about a secret government program that he said has been recovering crashed UFOs and
1:41:42
reverse engineering their technology. Yeah, he said something like we got a UFO
1:41:48
from Benito Mussolini and that the Vatican was involved in the crash retrieval. If
1:42:00
you get into the interview, like in depth, David Charles Groosh or Grush,
1:42:10
a decorated Air Force veteran, told News Nation they are retrieving non human
1:42:15
origin technical vehicles. Call it spacecraft if you will, non human exotic origin
1:42:21
vehicles that have either landed or crashed. Quote, well, naturally, when
1:42:29
you recover something that's either landed or crashed. Sometimes you encounter dead pilots and
1:42:35
believe it or not. As fantastical as that sounds, it's true unquote,
1:42:43
Grush said. Susan Go, a spokesperson for the Department of Defense, told
1:42:49
Fox News Digital in an email on Tuesday that there is quote no verifiable information
1:42:59
to substantial the claims. So that's how the Pentagon in the Defense Department is
1:43:05
framing this. But he is to appear before Congress. From what I understand,
1:43:16
Go is the mouthpiece for the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, a
1:43:23
section of the DoD tasked with investigating and identifying unidentified anomalist phenomenon UAP, a
1:43:32
government created phrase used instead of UFOs. To date, ARROW has not discovered
1:43:42
any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse engineering
1:43:51
of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently. Go sad Go
1:44:01
also said the ARROW, working with the Office of the General Council and Air
1:44:05
Force Office of Special Investigations, has established quote a safe and secure process un
1:44:13
quote for people to come forward with information. Arrow welcomes the opportunity to speak
1:44:19
with any former or current government employee or contractor who believes they have information relevant
1:44:26
to the historical review. Go said. The recoveries have been determined through analysis
1:44:35
to be of quote exotic origin based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing
1:44:46
and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures. On Grush said,
1:44:57
quote, we are not talking about prosaic origins or identities unquote. Grush said
1:45:02
of the information he submitted to Congress and the ICIG, quote, the material
1:45:09
includes intact and partially intact vehicles unquote. Many senior and former intelligence officers,
1:45:17
many of whom he knew nearly his whole career, began confiding in him and
1:45:24
provided documents and other quote prove unquote that they were part of a secret craft
1:45:30
retrieval program that the UAP Task Force was not read into. Grush claimed during
1:45:36
a separate interview with News Nation, quote were definitely not alone. He said,
1:45:45
the data points quite empirically that were not alone unquote. Grush told the
1:45:56
debrief that UFO LEGA due programs have long been concealed within multiple agencies, nesting
1:46:04
UAP activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities.
1:46:15
Okay, I can get behind all of that. On Tuesday, Fox News
1:46:23
Digital spoke to three different people, two experts and a journalist who backed Grush's
1:46:29
claims. Jeremy Corbell, an investigative journalist and documentary filmmaker who was the only
1:46:35
civilian named during Congress's historic UFO hearing in May twenty twenty two, said,
1:46:43
quote everything unquote is true. Grush said he began providing hours of recorded classified
1:46:51
information transcribed into hundreds of pages, which included specific data about the materials recovery
1:47:00
program to Congress starting in twenty twenty two. Individuals on these UAP programs approached
1:47:09
me in my official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings such
1:47:16
as illegal contracting against the federal acquisition regulations and other criminality and the suppression of
1:47:26
information across a qualified industrial base and academia, Grush told the debrief. Though
1:47:38
specific data such as the locations of recoveries and program names remain classified, and
1:47:44
no physical materials have been provided to Congress, Several current members of the recovery
1:47:49
program have since spoken to the Inspector General's Office corroborating information in Grush's statement quote.
1:48:00
His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring Subrosa over the
1:48:08
past eighty years, focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct,
1:48:17
as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown
1:48:24
origin derived from non human intelligence. Carl Nell, a retired Army colonel who
1:48:31
worked with Grush on the UP Task Force, told the debrief and then here's
1:48:39
an interesting note. Per protocol, Grush notified the Department of Defense of the
1:48:45
information he intended to disclose to the debrief. The debrief was who first reported
1:48:54
on this, and the Pentagon cleared those intended on the record statements for open
1:49:00
publication in April, just days before Grush left the government. So the Pentagon,
1:49:10
to be clear, isn't confirming any of Grush's claims. They're just clearing
1:49:16
the statement for release because the statement to the media itself didn't have any specific
1:49:24
evidence to back it. In other words, there's nothing classified in what he
1:49:31
said about classified information that was provided to this Congressional committee. Well, that's
1:49:42
because now there's whistleblower protections, so they have to tread very carefully on this.
1:49:48
So I want to wrap it up with this quick video from CBS eight
1:49:58
in Las Vegas, because around the same time that Grush was blowing the whistle
1:50:08
coming out with these claims, this was going on in Las Vegas, and
1:50:13
George Knapp is a correspondent for this station as well. It was the streak
1:50:19
scene across the sky now seen around the world. This is our eight News.
1:50:24
Now investigators confirm Metro actually set up cameras at this home where a family
1:50:29
called nine one one claiming to see aliens in their backyard. So watching the
1:50:34
video, the surveillance video, okay, this is a fireball, this is
1:50:39
a meteor. Okay, So immediately I want to separate that from the nine
1:50:46
to one to one call about aliens in these people's backyard. And tonight a
1:50:57
fierce debate is underway about the legitimate seat of an alleged UFO crash. Good
1:51:01
evening on Jenny's felt Is and I'm Brian Loftis r adis now investigators reporting about
1:51:06
terrified members of a local family who told police they had aliens in their backyard.
1:51:13
Chief investigator George Knapp here to piece it all together, you know,
1:51:16
As with all things UFO, the public debate is ferocious and ongoing. Was
1:51:20
it all a hoax where we duped? Was it all an evil plot,
1:51:24
a cover up? All of the above. We took another look at the
1:51:27
hubbub to separate wheat from chaff. The fireball captured on a police body cam
1:51:32
on the night of April thirtieth was real the American real media, as witnesses
1:51:38
reported seeing it all across the West, from northeastern Utah to southern California.
1:51:43
Another Las Vegas resident sent us a video of the same object recorded on her
1:51:47
home camera. Investigation by next our station KLAS. As the story of the
1:51:53
Las Vegas incident spread across newscasts and social media, one of NASA's Planetary Defense
1:51:59
officers weighed in to say it was likely a small meteor that fell to Earth
1:52:02
hundreds of miles away from Las Vegas. Police videos obtained by eight News now
1:52:08
indicate metro officers were among the witnesses. One of my partners said they saw
1:52:12
some follow in skytoo, so that's why I'm kind of curious. The appearance
1:52:15
of the meteor seemingly triggered the events that followed. A frightened family called nine
1:52:19
to one one and told police they had ten foot tall alien beings in their
1:52:24
backyard. Officers responded to the home minutes later, interviewed the witnesses, canvassed
1:52:30
the area and cautiously inspected the backyard to look for intruders. One thing noticed
1:52:34
by the officers was a circle in the soil. In conversations with US and
1:52:40
in a podcast interview, Angel, the main witness, suggested the circle might
1:52:44
have been created when an unknown object landed in the yard. Social media sleut
1:52:49
so did it land or did it crash? And if it crashed, where's
1:52:54
the crash materials? The has this SEK crash retrieval program already scooped it up?
1:53:04
Well, yeah, that must be what's going on, right, And
1:53:09
this so called circle in the yard has been visible on Google Earth for over
1:53:14
a year, according to certain individuals who looked at the address on Google Earth.
1:53:21
So this is the anatomy of a hoax. Okay, there's a fireball.
1:53:27
There's a meteor. It's kind of an uncommon thing to see, especially
1:53:30
one that large, But I've seen them two or three times, probably seen
1:53:35
large like bowl eyed fireballs, green ones, red ones, blue ones,
1:53:43
depending on what materials are in the actual meteorite. You know, it might
1:53:49
burn up at a different color, various colors. I've also seen like Chinese
1:53:56
space junk, you know, burning up. So I know what these things
1:54:00
look like, and I can imagine it causes kind of a hubbub. You
1:54:05
know. Sometimes these produced shock waves, you know what sounds like a crash
1:54:11
of thunder, okay, and it causes kind of a hubbub in this community.
1:54:19
And this kid gets it in his head he's going to call nine one
1:54:23
one and report that he sees aliens in his backyard. Because in investigators,
1:54:34
police or whatever they're they're never going to be able to get to the bottom
1:54:38
of it. They could never say, well, no, you didn't see
1:54:40
that, and I could be like, yeah, I did. They're scary.
1:54:45
This is not a joke. I mean, the nine one one call
1:54:48
itself is kind of interesting. Let's go back to the video. Boths have
1:54:54
since pointed out that the circular image has been viewable via Google Earth for more
1:54:58
than a year. The family told us by phone they had seen suspicious vehicles
1:55:01
with men in black types checking out their home. Turns out there is substance
1:55:05
to that. A retired police officer fessed up on News Nation that he spent
1:55:11
days staking out the house to see what, if anything unfolded. What about
1:55:15
those reports that Metro installed a special surveillance camera atop the house, presumably to
1:55:20
watch for intruders, human or otherwise or over zealous media. Turns out that's
1:55:26
true as well. Metro confirmed as much in a statement to eight Newsnow's David
1:55:30
Charns. The system stayed on the roof for days. What about the ring
1:55:34
camera video with a weird noise The main witness, Angel intimated to us the
1:55:40
video was recorded by one of his neighbors and the audio was from the April
1:55:44
thirtieth UFO crash. It wasn't. The security camera video was recorded in mid
1:55:49
April, according to the man who first posted the clip. He doesn't want
1:55:53
his name used, but says the recording was from a fireball that passed over
1:55:58
his home in a southwestern part of the valley two weeks prior to the alleged
1:56:01
alien encountered. The family declined to be interviewed by US, but members have
1:56:06
spoken elsewhere and stick to their claims of seeing aliens in the backyard. Dozens
1:56:12
of people on social media have analyzed and dissected the images with various claims of
1:56:16
aliens spotted in the shadows. Yeah, so they won't talk to Fox News
1:56:21
Nation, But this guy went on The kid went who called nine to one
1:56:28
one went on a podcast and said, oh, yeah, that's true.
1:56:34
Men in black just happens to be, you know, an off duty officer
1:56:39
who's staking out the house, probably to see whether there was some hoaxing activity
1:56:45
going on. A retired police officer, not an off duty officer. So
1:56:49
what is a retired police officer doing staking out this house? See a vigilante?
1:56:58
Is he the alien? Maybe? All right, well I got to
1:57:02
wrap it up there. This is just too much to try and wrap your
1:57:09
head around who's telling the truth and who's not. So I encourage you to
1:57:15
look into these things on your own. Don't just believe what the Pentagon says
1:57:21
or so called whistleblower says, or someone even you know with the balls to
1:57:28
call you know, nine to one one. And you know, if you're
1:57:32
scared, if you're worried, if this gives you anxiety, pray about it.
1:57:38
Pray that the truth be revealed. No matter what you know, this
1:57:43
is in God's hands and disclosure real disclosure is what we call revelation, and
1:57:50
it's going to be also a revelation of the lies that we're all being bombarded
1:57:58
with all the time and media and elsewhere. But if you have any comments
1:58:09
about our episode, about our interview with Ron James, feel free to send
1:58:16
me an email. Ministry Ex at ProtonMail dot com. Ministryekis at ProtonMail dot
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com. You can also find me on me wee gab and the ministry X
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1:58:39
today and I want to thank you for listening. This is Daniel X signing
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off Ministry X on Fringe Radio Network. Remember until next time, beware the
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