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Religious Horror: Part 1 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I hope some stuff
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Speaker 1: I've never told you Protective, iHeartRadio, and welcome. As we
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Speaker 1: record this, it is November, November twenty twenty five. We
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Speaker 1: are outside of Halloween and spooky times. But if you've
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Speaker 1: been listening, you know that we've had a lot of delays,
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Speaker 1: sits as Samantha has been ill. Feeling better though, yes.
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Speaker 2: I am feeling much much better.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So this was originally planned for October. But
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Speaker 1: as we always say, we love horror. We love to
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Speaker 1: talk about horror all the time, and we love to
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Speaker 1: talk about religion all the time.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, so I mean, if you're from the US, with
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Speaker 2: the card state of things, you can't not talk about it.
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Speaker 1: It's true. I didn't even get into Honestly, I think
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Speaker 1: we believe this will be a two parter. Sometimes it's
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Speaker 1: hard to tell at the beginning, but I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: I didn't even get into the much of the political
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Speaker 1: horror part of this conversation, which there are political horror
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Speaker 1: movies about this kind of stuff. Yes, yes, but today
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Speaker 1: we are talking about religious horror. As we've teased, we've
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Speaker 1: been mentioning that we were going to get into and yeah,
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Speaker 1: we have talked about this a lot in various ways,
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Speaker 1: so you can see our religious trauma episodes. I would
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Speaker 1: say The Witch, the movie The Craft, maybe Women in Colts,
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Speaker 1: which was a two parter, Alien which was our first
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Speaker 1: feminist movie, Friday No, I love It, Jennifer's Body, Mexican Gothic,
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Speaker 1: Final Girl, an episode about what girls are, Witch Poyitation,
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Speaker 1: the episode why Didn't You Believe Her? Black Christmas A
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Speaker 1: Quiet Place, and Blair Witch, the Blair Witch Project. Those
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Speaker 1: are just some We have touched on this a lot.
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Speaker 1: It's just a huge genre. And also none of the
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Speaker 1: things we're going to talk about are sponsors, and there
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Speaker 1: are going to be some spoilers. We're basically having a
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Speaker 1: conversation about some big themes we see in these religious
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Speaker 1: horror movies. Largely movies, but it is. I was reading
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Speaker 1: about religious horror and comics and apparently that's a huge thing,
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Speaker 1: religious horror and games. You've heard me talk about Silent
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Speaker 1: Hill f recently, which.
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Speaker 2: I guess we had that graphic novel well, the cultish twist.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, down Low, Yeah, that was real dark. I loved
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Speaker 1: it though, but it was obviously.
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Speaker 2: Sick when they like it's very religious. It's kind of
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Speaker 2: like almost to that level of like we may eventually
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Speaker 2: talk about the Masons, but like kind of in that
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Speaker 2: conversation of like mel dominated cults. Yeah, yeah, it happens
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Speaker 2: with that, Yes, And that.
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Speaker 1: Was part of the issue of making this wrangling this
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Speaker 1: into an episode, was you know, you can it was
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Speaker 1: just hard, mean a lot of things.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but talking thinking about like graphic novels
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Speaker 2: and like comics and I'm like, yeah, oh yeah, that
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Speaker 2: was We've had a few we have.
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Speaker 1: And I would actually like to you know, Unfortunately, Samantha,
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Speaker 1: I'm afraid this might become a bit of a series
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Speaker 1: because we are largely.
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Speaker 2: Mine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this doesn't because I did find a lot of
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Speaker 1: great resources about comics and video games in this arena
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Speaker 1: that I didn't have time to get into because there's
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Speaker 1: already plenty with just movies. Yeah, and today we are
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Speaker 1: primarily focusing on Western Christian religious horror. We do have
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Speaker 1: a few other examples, but I would love to explore, uh,
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Speaker 1: not that, because I think there are a lot of
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Speaker 1: examples of not that, and I would just need to
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Speaker 1: give them more time. But because this is something this
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Speaker 1: is a genre I'm very familiar with I think you're
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Speaker 1: very familiar with Sama.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is probably the one that I would lean
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Speaker 2: towards as a preference. And maybe this has everything to
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Speaker 2: do with my psyche and like unlearning slash stepping away
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Speaker 2: from Christianity and especially Western Christianity in general, coming from
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Speaker 2: an Appalachian town.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but okay, before we get into the conversation,
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, because I feel like we
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Speaker 1: both do like this genre, why do you think you
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Speaker 1: like it? Even though I feel neither of us are
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Speaker 1: very religious?
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Speaker 2: Right again, there's something okay, I think this is far
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Speaker 2: enough removed from me, as in like when I see
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Speaker 2: murder and slashers and men coming like those kind of depictions,
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Speaker 2: it kind of feels too heavy. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: that's my own trauma whatever coming into religion and understanding
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Speaker 2: religion as I do, as well as the fact that I,
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Speaker 2: I mean, like I do believe there are bad vibes
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Speaker 2: I'll say it that way in many realms, but at
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Speaker 2: the same time, like me being a little more agnostic
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Speaker 2: more than anything else, feels like it's a little bit
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Speaker 2: more removed, But at the same time it feels also explanatory,
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Speaker 2: Like there's sometimes like it feels a little more explanatory,
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Speaker 2: and most of the time I feel like these movies
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Speaker 2: don't as so I have a happy ending, but they
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Speaker 2: have a conclusion that makes sense. Yeah, so maybe that's
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Speaker 2: what I mean. Like there's so many reasons I might
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Speaker 2: just like, again, the fantasy level of what it is
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Speaker 2: has just enough jump scares to get me there, as
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Speaker 2: in like the fear level. But also again like I
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Speaker 2: don't know much about like a lot of them are
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Speaker 2: Catholic revolving for some odd reason. Yeah, I thought I was, like,
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Speaker 2: we didn't talk about talk to Catholics about this level,
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Speaker 2: especially when it comes like possession and such. So seeing
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Speaker 2: like that kind of feels removed maybe fictional enough for
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Speaker 2: me because I don't know a lot about Catholicism. Maybe
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Speaker 2: what about you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I think that a lot of it, And
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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about this and I have talked
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Speaker 3: about it before on the show.
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Speaker 1: But I was I did truly used to be afraid
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Speaker 1: of hell, Like I was very very scared. My mom
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Speaker 1: wouldn't let me have the Exorcist in the house, Like,
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Speaker 1: would not let me have it in the house, and
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Speaker 1: so it felt very real to me. But after I
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Speaker 1: sort of moved on and became more atheistic, I just
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Speaker 1: it's like I recognize those signs. I recognize, like, even
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Speaker 1: if I don't necessarily believe it, I know what this
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Speaker 1: like holding up the cross is supposed to mean. I
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Speaker 1: know what saying this thing is supposed to be, and
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Speaker 1: I recognize the music of it. And I do think
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Speaker 1: a lot of elements of this, it is usually Catholic
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Speaker 1: faith that we're talking about, are very fear based, so
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Speaker 1: it makes sense to me. It makes sense, but it
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Speaker 1: does also feel and this has been purposeful, which we're
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Speaker 1: going to get into, but it feels very good versus evil.
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Speaker 1: Here's how you triumph over the evil or maybe you don't,
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Speaker 1: but here's how you could.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the obvious bad guys. Although I think
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Speaker 2: like a lot of the newer movies have started to
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Speaker 2: like cross the boundaries. Were we the bad guys? No?
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Speaker 2: You made us the bad guys?
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely absolutely, But there's I mean, I'll admit it,
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Speaker 1: like sometimes I just want to like, there's your good guy.
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Speaker 2: They won.
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Speaker 1: That's nice, right, And I.
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't be based on real stories because you figured it
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Speaker 2: out that the real people are not great. Yes, the
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Speaker 2: heroes are not great.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're also going to get into for sure.
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Speaker 1: And so I also wanted to answer before we get
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Speaker 1: into this, why does this topic impact women marginalized people?
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of reasons why, uh it is
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Speaker 1: once we get into the sections on who gets possessed
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Speaker 1: and why, who has the power to help people? And
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Speaker 1: why are who are the villains and why? There are
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Speaker 1: a lot of things that honestly, you could find so
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Speaker 1: much writing about this is not just us saying it's you,
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Speaker 1: but in this media, there are a lot of like
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Speaker 1: especially in this case, what we're going to be talking about.
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Speaker 1: You know, women, they're starting to feel sexual, right, that's
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Speaker 1: bad news.
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Speaker 2: Women are trying to be independent. How dare you?
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Speaker 1: How dare you? You don't believe in Jesus any other religion?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, you're not good?
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Speaker 2: Right? Or women were the problem to begin with, so
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Speaker 2: you know cursed? Yep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there are a lot of themes here that
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Speaker 1: I think I make it perfectly appropriate for us to
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Speaker 1: talk about on this show about that intersectional feminism. All right,
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Speaker 1: So when we're saying religious horror, it is a pretty
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Speaker 1: broad subject. But also in this case we are narrowing
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Speaker 1: in on something moral less specific as discussed previously. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a lot of Western Christianity is scary. I've said before.
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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with my D and D crew
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Speaker 1: where every single one of us, one of us not
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Speaker 1: being Christian, was like, I grew up afraid of this.
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Speaker 1: I grew up afraid of hell. If I did something bad,
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Speaker 1: this is where I would go. Even if I didn't
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Speaker 1: really believe it. There was a part of me that
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Speaker 1: couldn't let it go. I would lie awake at night
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Speaker 1: thinking about it. And horror movies are meant to quote,
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Speaker 1: scare the hell out of you, usually by imparting some
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Speaker 1: kind of moral lesson, which is pretty much what a
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Speaker 1: lot of religion is. You do this, you get punished
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Speaker 1: for it. A lot of them. A lot of these
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Speaker 1: movies you recognizable iconography and esthetics, so we kind of
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Speaker 1: recognize it. Oh, here's that church, here's how it looks.
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Speaker 1: So it's one of those, in a strange way, almost
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Speaker 1: comforting things because you're like, ah, I know this setting,
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Speaker 1: especially if you like the genre or something like that,
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Speaker 1: if that's something you're into. It also is a genre
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Speaker 1: that asks questions about death, and what happens after death,
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Speaker 1: if anything, which is something a lot of religions are
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Speaker 1: concerned with. Many of these films come with the message
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Speaker 1: that if you are faithful, if you believe again in Jesus.
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Speaker 1: Usually other religions are often painted as other and therefore
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Speaker 1: wrong or evil, you will be safe. Though that changes
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Speaker 1: based on the religion slash belief, and has been yes
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Speaker 1: changing in recent years. You've seen some new things in
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Speaker 1: recent years. This is a really enduring subset of the
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Speaker 1: horror genre. Many lists of Scariest Movies Ever made have
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Speaker 1: quite a handful of these religious horror type of movies
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Speaker 1: on there, and many of them, like The Extorcist, influence
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Speaker 1: films and other media that came after it, so they
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Speaker 1: had this huge impact. Here's a quote from Timothy Beale's
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Speaker 1: article The Horror, Religion and the Monstrous on film over
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Speaker 1: at the Berkeley Center for Religion, Peace and World Affairs
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Speaker 1: at Georgetown, which is famously where The Extorcists was filmed. Quote.
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Speaker 1: Horror films often serve as mythic battles of blessed order
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Speaker 1: against diabolical chaos. Most often these forces of chaos are
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Speaker 1: personified in terms of racial, ethnic, sexual and religious otherness
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Speaker 1: projected as monstrous threats to r familiar sense of order.
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Speaker 1: In the course of the film, viewers re enact the myth,
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Speaker 1: facing our monsters which seem to be winning for a
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Speaker 1: horrifically long time, and ultimately defeating them. In the process,
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Speaker 1: we are ritually purging ourselves of otherness, re establishing and
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Speaker 1: blessing the established social order eg. White Christian American patriarchal heteronormativity.
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Speaker 1: Such films put a face on otherwise vague, uneasiness and
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Speaker 1: unnamable insecurities to slay them and to send them back
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Speaker 1: to Hell where they belong, returning as to a sense
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Speaker 1: of security and safety. And the interesting thing about this is,
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Speaker 1: I've thought about this along for a long time when
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Speaker 1: it reminds me of Charmed. When I used to watch
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Speaker 1: Charmed or Buffy, like any show like that, there was
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Speaker 1: a like when you would kill the demon, they would
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Speaker 1: go up and ash, they would go back to Hell
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But it was so clearly like supernatural. It
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Speaker 1: was super It didn't kill well, yeah, supernatural, but it
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Speaker 1: didn't kill them necessarily. It sent them back where they belonged,
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Speaker 1: so it didn't feel as like superhero movies. Do that too,
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Speaker 1: where it's like if they're robot villains, they're not human villains,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So you don't have to
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Speaker 1: feel bad about them killing sending back this demon. And
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Speaker 1: I do think going back to that, you know, just
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Speaker 1: a nice good versus evil that fits into that nicely
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Speaker 1: of Okay, well I just sent them back where they belong.
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Speaker 1: I haven't done any ofthing. I haven't killed anybody. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but this was uh so, this was actually a whole
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Speaker 1: series of articles that came out about this, and I
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Speaker 1: recommend them because they delve into a bunch of the
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Speaker 1: different They tackle a bunch of the different angles of
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Speaker 1: this topic. And they talked about how all of these
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Speaker 1: religious scholarly themes about having chaos and then having the
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Speaker 1: order that religion brings in. And that's sort of what
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Speaker 1: some of these movies are doing, where it's it's chaotic,
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Speaker 1: but here it comes your religion and now you have
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Speaker 1: some kind of control or something. Yes, all right, so
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Speaker 1: let us get started with the themes, some of the
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Speaker 1: big themes. All right, let's start with reproductive rights and
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Speaker 1: pregnancy and abortion. Yeah, let's go. So I've noticed a
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Speaker 1: lot of these right now, this is so big right now.
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind it's because of the
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Speaker 1: overturning of v. Wade and a continual assault on reproductive rights.
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Speaker 1: So the six justices who overturned Roe v. Wade are Catholic,
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Speaker 1: and the majority opinion included a seventeenth century quote from
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Speaker 1: a judge who hung women for witchcraft. So yeah, that
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Speaker 1: has been a thing that is happening in religious horror
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Speaker 1: right now. It's not necessarily new, it's just that there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of it. So examples I can think of Immaculate,
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Speaker 1: the first omen Rosemary's Baby, which first came out during
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Speaker 1: the anxiety around women's rights in the late sixties, Alien,
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Speaker 1: which first came out during the second wave of feminism,
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Speaker 1: also when a lot of slashers punishing sexually liberated women
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Speaker 1: started coming out. So Alien, I'll get into this more
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Speaker 1: in a second. If you're like, that's not a religious
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Speaker 1: movie in later ones, yes it is, It actually is.
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Speaker 1: But also also I think you can kind of expand
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Speaker 1: some of these themes outside of a strictly religious movie,
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Speaker 1: because it's one of those things you can't take out
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Speaker 1: of a culture that is raised in it, steeped in it,
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Speaker 1: it's very hard for us as the audience to not
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Speaker 1: see a movie like this and think about abortion and
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Speaker 1: how religion in our country in the US impacts abortion.
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Speaker 1: So that is the reason I included it. Also, I
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Speaker 1: love talking about Alien you all know it, but I
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Speaker 1: did think, you know, when it comes to these types
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Speaker 1: of movies. I've watched The Omen when I was way
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Speaker 1: to young, the original, and I just remember thinking, like
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Speaker 1: I wish they had killed the baby, and I felt
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Speaker 1: horrible for it. But it's the anti crisis, like the
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Speaker 1: Bad Seed. It's the opposite of what you're supposed to
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Speaker 1: feel with the Virgin Mary and Jesus. And the horror
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Speaker 1: of it in quotes is that the woman in this
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Speaker 1: usually in this case, in this trope, is like, I
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Speaker 1: can't kill the baby because I saw it as the baby.
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Speaker 1: I just can't do it. I have my maternal instincts
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Speaker 1: refuse to allow me to do it.
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Speaker 2: Like some many of them are like, and they eat
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Speaker 2: the mother or they eat away. Yeah, and for the
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Speaker 2: sake of but they can't say no because that's their child.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's it's miserable. Like don't get
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Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm not like I can't wait to see
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Speaker 1: the death of this child, right, But but it is
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Speaker 1: I likes Auntie crist and you built it up to me, right,
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Speaker 1: this horrific child that has killed all these people.
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Speaker 2: Right, Like, But that's kind of interesting because a lot
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Speaker 2: of them and maybe it's kind of like the Left
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Speaker 2: Behind series in my head, I know that's just like
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Speaker 2: this correlation. But in this mind that they that the
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Speaker 2: people who think they're right are creating this and like
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Speaker 2: we're saving these things, but these things in the you know,
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Speaker 2: are the ones that ends them.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: It's like they like they believe that they're going to
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Speaker 2: be saved by this white man and accordant left behind
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Speaker 2: is the white man that's the anti Christ, you know,
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Speaker 2: like yeah, which I'm like, you might not be so
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Speaker 2: wrong about that one, you know where you go. But
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Speaker 2: also in that same level of like these are the
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Speaker 2: children and what is that you know that that quote
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Speaker 2: what if you this is the one that can kill cancer?
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Speaker 2: You know that? Have you heard that line? I love it?
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Speaker 2: But in the end, they're actually the ones that bring
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Speaker 2: about the death and apocalypse of everything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it is a lot of these
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Speaker 1: things we're going to talk about. I get why they're
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Speaker 1: so effective and horrific, like that is a.
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Speaker 2: Horrible It is interesting again with this really trauma because
19:53
Speaker 2: you talk you specifically talk about the anti Christ, the
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Speaker 2: bad seed, being like orphans because they know that they
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Speaker 2: cannot not have the space. But this baby's gonna be bad,
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Speaker 2: so they go ahead and give it away and put
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Speaker 2: it in an orphanage, and they steal into being the
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Speaker 2: bad guy, the villain. H even Harry Potter had that
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Speaker 2: kind of ideal in that like Tom whatever his name is,
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Speaker 2: Riddle was was the orphan because he was not good enough,
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Speaker 2: but he was also evil, that's true, and he grew
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Speaker 2: into being more evil and the one who ended it all.
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Speaker 2: I did find an interesting article because in general, adoption
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Speaker 2: is the idea of outcast orphan. You know, that conversation
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Speaker 2: of being othered, the jokes that siblings play on each other, like,
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Speaker 2: oh you were adopted, just to make sure you you know,
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Speaker 2: Like that's the zinger. I did find an article on
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Speaker 2: Charizon dot com where they talk about the newest movie
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Speaker 2: which I haven't seen this movie yet and I don't
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Speaker 2: think it's religious horror again, you tell me bring her back.
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Speaker 2: Have you seen this movie yet?
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Speaker 1: Yes, I have.
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Speaker 2: Okay, is it really horror?
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Speaker 1: I guess you could make that argument. It is a
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Speaker 1: brutal movie, though, that okay messed me up.
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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm not gonna watch it. And either you
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Speaker 2: said this because I did think about it because of
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Speaker 2: the picture for the icon for it, I'm like, oh interesting,
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Speaker 2: but anyway, but this is like they are talking about
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Speaker 2: this movie and Mariam Balinesco, I'm sorry if I said
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Speaker 2: your name, but she talks about the idea of orphans again,
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Speaker 2: like how this is coming back round, which I feel
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Speaker 2: like they've never gone away, but you know that could
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Speaker 2: be me. And she does say this specifically in relations
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Speaker 2: to orphans and the kind of like cults in religion,
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Speaker 2: films like The Omen in nineteen seventy six, which were
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Speaker 2: there's so many films with orphans and religion and again
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Speaker 2: the anti Christ, the Christ, the Savior, the not Savior,
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Speaker 2: whatever has happening, or the reason that the mothers went crazy,
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Speaker 2: which is a whole different another thing. Yeah, films like
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Speaker 2: The Omen nineteen seventy six whip up fears that there's
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Speaker 2: something inanely wicked about taking in a child that isn't yours.
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Speaker 2: That movie's five year old infant interloper is able to
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Speaker 2: derail not only the conservative American family, but destroy the
21:55
Speaker 2: pillars of US politics, which we're not talking about, but
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Speaker 2: I think again we probably should. In the full corp
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Speaker 2: Children of the corn An entire society of scythe wielding
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Speaker 2: orphans run amook, guided only by pagan ritual. Meanwhile, the
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Speaker 2: eerie orphan setting has spawned a horror subgenre all of
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Speaker 2: its own, but it does kind of bring back that
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Speaker 2: conversation of like, what are these things they are disrupting?
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Speaker 2: The perfect family? The orphan The actual movie talks about this.
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Speaker 2: Also the woman ends up being a woman spoiler. I
22:29
Speaker 2: don't know if you haven't seen, because I think there's
22:30
Speaker 2: like four more since then. Yeah, they actually did an
22:34
Speaker 2: SVU episode kind of like it, but not horror level.
22:38
Speaker 2: But anyway, all these things in this conversation of like
22:41
Speaker 2: what is the bad Sea the Antichrist again that is
22:46
Speaker 2: disrupting what is wholesome and pure, even though the reason
22:51
Speaker 2: they exist is everything to do with the reproductive laws
22:56
Speaker 2: that they have put into place again and since then
22:59
Speaker 2: is an interesting back and forth in this conversation because adoption,
23:04
Speaker 2: which is the easy throwout for pro lifers slash pro birthers,
23:09
Speaker 2: but at the same time they also think that's not
23:12
Speaker 2: somewhat evil and that these children are not pure.
23:19
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I also uh wanted to mention this
23:25
Speaker 1: because of what I read about the First Omen, which
23:28
Speaker 1: has been a long time since I've seen that one,
23:30
Speaker 1: but not the first because that actually is a movie.
23:32
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the first actual OMEN the
23:36
Speaker 1: original referenced. Yes, yes, but also in the conversations we've
23:42
Speaker 1: had about how conservatives try to use that as like
23:47
Speaker 1: adoption and abortion in their argument, and that I think
23:52
Speaker 1: that's why it is relevant in this conversation about religious horror,
23:57
Speaker 1: because when we watch the movies, you see that playing
24:02
Speaker 1: out in our politics and in our religion, those kind
24:06
Speaker 1: of fears and ideas that get perpetuated. So yeah, that's
24:13
Speaker 1: it's interesting and upsetting that that has had such a
24:18
Speaker 1: lasting effect. And I remember I used to work on
24:23
Speaker 1: the show's stuff to blow your mind. I've never seen
24:25
Speaker 1: there's actually a movie called The Bad Seed, and they
24:28
Speaker 1: did a whole episode on it, and I remember what
24:31
Speaker 1: they talked about it. I've never seen it, but I
24:35
Speaker 1: it was it was upsetting, Like I remember thinking like, oh,
24:38
Speaker 1: my God. There's also something to be said about the
24:43
Speaker 1: scary child who just right, children have been made into
24:48
Speaker 1: we're afraid of kids. I think that's we can say
24:51
Speaker 1: this in horror movies.
24:53
Speaker 2: So the article going back to it, they literally say,
24:55
Speaker 2: so bring her back is far more realistic in the
24:57
Speaker 2: litany of portrayals of orphans and horror that have proceeded,
25:00
Speaker 2: where a child's worst side is often explained away by
25:04
Speaker 2: the occult or possession by the devil. So reason like, literally,
25:08
Speaker 2: there's no other explanation for a bad kid who are
25:12
Speaker 2: typically orphans other than they're the devil and they're possessed right.
25:18
Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's another topic we're going to get
25:21
Speaker 1: into later. But that movie also deals with grieving mother,
25:27
Speaker 1: the greeving mother trop.
25:28
Speaker 2: Yes it does, and the bad father apparently the absent father,
25:32
Speaker 2: which yeah, we're going to talk about a little bit too.
25:34
Speaker 1: So yep, so much to discuss. Okay, So I again
25:41
Speaker 1: going back to Alien. As I said, there are a
25:46
Speaker 1: lot of very weird religious elements in newer alien movies.
25:50
Speaker 1: Usually it's a man, a very rich man, who might
25:55
Speaker 1: remind you of a certain other man that exists actual
26:02
Speaker 1: who thinks that he understands religion better than anyone. He
26:06
Speaker 1: understands where the meaning of life and where it came
26:10
Speaker 1: from and all of this stuff. And I have a
26:13
Speaker 1: lot of surprise to no one. I have a lot
26:15
Speaker 1: of thoughts about Alien. I some of the movies I
26:20
Speaker 1: wouldn't say are good, but I do think they all
26:25
Speaker 1: have something interesting to say. I think they all have
26:28
Speaker 1: something interesting to say. There is a pretty graphic, what
26:32
Speaker 1: I would consider abortion scene in one of them, and Prometheus,
26:36
Speaker 1: which is probably the most religious one. And so if
26:41
Speaker 1: you don't remember, if you didn't listen to that episode
26:44
Speaker 1: when we first talked about Alien, but there's a lot
26:47
Speaker 1: of When it first came out, it was very It
26:53
Speaker 1: disturbed a lot of people for a lot of reasons,
26:56
Speaker 1: but it brought up these conversations about male rape and
27:01
Speaker 1: the horror of having to give birth. A lot of
27:04
Speaker 1: people have rightfully pointed out, like, it's interesting that we
27:09
Speaker 1: focus on the male part of it because women just
27:11
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with it, right exactly, But it was,
27:17
Speaker 1: it was very horrific, and it was a child, a
27:23
Speaker 1: thing inside you you didn't want, you never asked for,
27:27
Speaker 1: and had to carry to birth and would kill you
27:29
Speaker 1: likely would kill you. And so in the recent alien
27:35
Speaker 1: movie Alien Bromulus.
27:38
Speaker 2: Spoilers, Yeah, I haven't watched it.
27:41
Speaker 1: Isabella Marsad's character does. She's pregnant, but then she gets
27:49
Speaker 1: like also alien pregnant, so she gives birth to like
27:55
Speaker 1: a human alien highpers superchild. Okay, and that kills her.
28:02
Speaker 2: Obviously.
28:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of people brought I was kind
28:05
Speaker 1: of surprised how many people brought it up. And when
28:08
Speaker 1: I was researching, you know, what's up with all the
28:11
Speaker 1: reproductive rights horror movies, and it came up. But she,
28:16
Speaker 1: I mean, it was also a thing where like maybe
28:18
Speaker 1: she had she wanted that child, but then it became
28:22
Speaker 1: deadly to her and she couldn't there's nothing she could
28:25
Speaker 1: do when she just died.
28:28
Speaker 2: So many of that quip like and so many like
28:31
Speaker 2: Supernatural has that with the Antichrist. Yeah, also, yeah, a
28:39
Speaker 2: lot of like you have to die, the sacrifice is
28:42
Speaker 2: obviously going to be you and and we're all going
28:44
Speaker 2: to celebrate this, which again.
28:49
Speaker 1: Choices Well, interesting that you say that. Okay, this is
28:55
Speaker 1: this is a new thing. I did not know about
28:57
Speaker 1: this whole thing. This is why I bought a quiet
29:00
Speaker 1: place up in past episodes you should re listen to
29:03
Speaker 1: or listen to all right. So apparently when A Quiet
29:06
Speaker 1: Place came out, there was a big conservative anti choice
29:09
Speaker 1: movement saying it was, in their words, pro life. Because
29:14
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen that movie, spoilers can. Emily Blunt's
29:18
Speaker 1: character gives birth to a baby in it and she
29:21
Speaker 1: has to be silent because that's the whole plot of
29:24
Speaker 1: the movie. And so you know they're saying these quote
29:29
Speaker 1: pro lifers are saying the kid was born, so God
29:32
Speaker 1: was looking out for them. That must be it. When
29:36
Speaker 1: if you think about it, they another kid died, another
29:42
Speaker 1: kid died, and they also the family didn't have safe
29:46
Speaker 1: access to abortion. They really didn't have a choice.
29:49
Speaker 2: They didn't have a choice.
29:51
Speaker 1: Also, they kind of like, I don't know what they
29:54
Speaker 1: did in previous life, it probably says in one of
29:56
Speaker 1: the other movies, but they clearly knew what was up,
29:59
Speaker 1: like they had they I knew how to make that
30:01
Speaker 1: like case with the oxygen in it for the baby,
30:05
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't hit like they were clearly well off.
30:08
Speaker 2: They also had to sacrifice a father.
30:10
Speaker 1: Like yes, and the conservative people were like, this is
30:14
Speaker 1: it everybody.
30:16
Speaker 2: I mean, that would be the epitome of pro birth. Literally,
30:20
Speaker 2: another child died and the person died.
30:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but they were all into it. I had
30:28
Speaker 1: no idea. So here's a quote from this website Desiring
30:31
Speaker 1: God about the whole thing. Horror films taking place in
30:36
Speaker 1: abortion clinics across the US and around the world, Silent
30:39
Speaker 1: assassinations and stale rooms. They wear white coats, They make
30:44
Speaker 1: death a business. They snatched children from deceived mothers who
30:47
Speaker 1: tragically pay to have them taken away. We live in
30:50
Speaker 1: a society full of this movie's monsters, and they seem
30:53
Speaker 1: so ordinary against all the loud, pink pro choice banners
30:58
Speaker 1: around us. A quiet place stands for human lives worth
31:01
Speaker 1: sacrificing for pink.
31:03
Speaker 2: Why don't they like pink? That's been that of random.
31:08
Speaker 1: Well, I'm assuming this came out maybe around I don't
31:11
Speaker 1: remember when this movie came out. Maybe it was around
31:13
Speaker 1: the twenty sixty election.
31:14
Speaker 2: But was it because they were the pink hats or something?
31:18
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's my first thought, But I don't know.
31:21
Speaker 1: It could just be women like pink and we hate women.
31:24
Speaker 1: It could be gendered.
31:25
Speaker 2: It's also gendered like yeah, dack on color.
31:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're We're gonna get into this later, probably
31:33
Speaker 1: in part two, but I find it very fascinating the
31:39
Speaker 1: gall to be like the horror that's happening in these
31:43
Speaker 1: abortion centers, when they have crisis pregnancy centers that are
31:47
Speaker 1: literally playing horror movies and deceiving people.
31:50
Speaker 2: Right, deceiving well those I love that. This whole thing
31:54
Speaker 2: sounds like the beginning of when we were talking about
31:57
Speaker 2: those horror haunted houses or those horror houses scare houses
32:01
Speaker 2: that were literally about going to hell, that they were
32:05
Speaker 2: going to get together. That's what it sounds like. But
32:08
Speaker 2: that's exactly had like someone just this is the descriptor
32:11
Speaker 2: they had for their abortion clinic, quote unquote scary house
32:14
Speaker 2: before going to hell.
32:16
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I have to say, like I watching
32:21
Speaker 1: that movie, which I did enjoy, I never would have thought.
32:25
Speaker 1: The only thing I thought was they have to survive.
32:28
Speaker 1: There was no part of me that was like is
32:31
Speaker 1: this All I felt was like, I'm glad she didn't die.
32:37
Speaker 2: If right, I'm like, oh that's not good. That's she's right.
32:41
Speaker 1: It is a scary thing, exactly exactly. Well, apparently that's
32:50
Speaker 1: not what a lot of other conservatives thought. And I
32:52
Speaker 1: just want to shout out thanks to Sarah Lynn Missioners. Missioners.
32:56
Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing that closer correctly. Article on Medium,
33:00
Speaker 1: the irony that conservatives think a horror film was pro
33:02
Speaker 1: life reminds us how little they value life for this,
33:06
Speaker 1: because that's I got the quote. I didn't have to
33:08
Speaker 1: go to this website. I got the quote from there.
33:10
Speaker 2: Oh. I was like, as you're oh, you got lucky.
33:13
Speaker 2: I was thinking, you're about to get all the bad
33:15
Speaker 2: man no sacrifice search engine.
33:19
Speaker 1: My algorithm not yet, not for this. It. That article
33:24
Speaker 1: is great. I recommend it. It is full of righteous matriol,
33:27
Speaker 1: and I love it.
33:28
Speaker 2: Very angry.
33:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, a very very good.
33:44
Speaker 2: Okay.
33:45
Speaker 1: Another thing I wanted to talk about in here that
33:48
Speaker 1: I see cheme up a lot in these types of
33:50
Speaker 1: movies is kind of the whole not having sex thing
33:54
Speaker 1: or being married to Jesus, which I guess we should
33:57
Speaker 1: have also brought up the virgin d episodes. Can listen
34:00
Speaker 1: to those as well.
34:02
Speaker 2: Interestingly, for some reason, when I was trying to look
34:05
Speaker 2: up about like single mothers and abortion or like orphans,
34:11
Speaker 2: it really wanted to talk about nuns. The nuns either
34:16
Speaker 2: being the protagonist or the antagonists.
34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, nuns do come up a lot in this. I
34:24
Speaker 1: feel like we're just giving you a bunch of teasers,
34:26
Speaker 1: but we are going to talk about that as well.
34:28
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, we have discussed the trope, the
34:34
Speaker 1: very powerful belief in these movies and amongst people who
34:38
Speaker 1: are religious, but in the power of virgins, or the
34:41
Speaker 1: power of the uncorrupted and the power of corrupting them
34:46
Speaker 1: in the case of evil. So evil. Yes. So here's
34:53
Speaker 1: a quote about the First Omen from Dread Central from
34:58
Speaker 1: the article The First Omen the Perfect Religion Horror Movie
35:00
Speaker 1: by Mary Beth McAndrews. This is especially true in Stevenson's
35:06
Speaker 1: direct and unabashed betrayal of sexual assault at the hands
35:09
Speaker 1: of men and encouraged by other women. Importantly, assault here
35:13
Speaker 1: isn't framed as titillating or as a spectacle, but rather
35:17
Speaker 1: as violence that destroys the person mentally, emotionally, and physically.
35:21
Speaker 1: One such scene is Luzz's vow ceremony, where she takes
35:24
Speaker 1: the veil in a gorgeous wedding dress symbolizing her wedding
35:28
Speaker 1: to Christ, but as other nuns tie on her wimple,
35:32
Speaker 1: Stevenson frames the ceremony as a form of sexual violence
35:35
Speaker 1: rather than a moment of joy, Loz whimpers and pain
35:38
Speaker 1: as the strings Titan and she lies prostrate on the floor.
35:42
Speaker 1: So often religious horror wants to examine the male psyche
35:45
Speaker 1: and faith with women simply fodder for the devil that
35:48
Speaker 1: need to be saved by the strong man of God.
35:52
Speaker 1: And yeah, so this whole article was about the author
35:56
Speaker 1: talks about their own experience with religion and sexual assaults
35:58
Speaker 1: and about water this movie where it does frame it
36:04
Speaker 1: because again, like you know, we've been taught this generally,
36:10
Speaker 1: women have been taught getting married great thing, wonderful thing.
36:14
Speaker 1: And when you tie in religion to it, then you're
36:17
Speaker 1: adding that sort of religious morality to it. Then when
36:22
Speaker 1: you're tying in like I'm getting married to Jesus, then
36:27
Speaker 1: it's a whole other level. But in this case, in
36:30
Speaker 1: this movie, which was an American woman who went to
36:33
Speaker 1: Italy for this and by the way, I've seen this movie.
36:38
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about it more in a second.
36:41
Speaker 1: This was it was interesting because she really wanted this life,
36:48
Speaker 1: and they were the ones that were like, let's lure
36:50
Speaker 1: her out into the clubs, Like to the people at
36:53
Speaker 1: the church, we're trying to let's get her impregnated. It's
36:58
Speaker 1: very dark, very very dark. Here is a quote from
37:03
Speaker 1: a Din of Geek article by David Crowe called Immaculate
37:07
Speaker 1: the First Omen and the blessed rise of pro choice
37:09
Speaker 1: horror movies. Thus, in a real subversion of the film's
37:13
Speaker 1: religious horror roots, Margaret discovers her paternal church father secretly
37:18
Speaker 1: raised her and nurtured her with the intention of always
37:21
Speaker 1: seeing her impregnated by a familiar of the devil, a
37:24
Speaker 1: demonic jackal who we learn was also Margaret's father. In
37:27
Speaker 1: other words, because the film's church believes it will empower
37:30
Speaker 1: their institution if the anti Christ appears and thereby cause
37:34
Speaker 1: a secular world to return to Catholicism for salvation, they
37:38
Speaker 1: forced Margaret to carry to term an unwanted child that
37:42
Speaker 1: was created by both rape and incest. The church even
37:46
Speaker 1: aids this defilement by drugging her like the witches in
37:49
Speaker 1: Rosemary's Baby and offering her body up to violation by
37:52
Speaker 1: a demon who is also her own father. Yeah, that's
37:56
Speaker 1: a first Shoman. So they brought this up specifically because
38:03
Speaker 1: the old conservative argument has so long been you know,
38:07
Speaker 1: except for case of rape and incest, but this one
38:11
Speaker 1: was like, no, even then, this church doesn't care. Nobody,
38:15
Speaker 1: Actually you can this. Yeah, m I watched this movie
38:22
Speaker 1: with my mom, I just want to say, and she was.
38:29
Speaker 1: She would just ask me these random questions. But I
38:31
Speaker 1: remember at one point she just said, suddenly, did that
38:33
Speaker 1: man's head fall off?
38:36
Speaker 2: You know, there's moments when there's so many incredible, ridiculous
38:38
Speaker 2: things happening that you just can't help but one part
38:41
Speaker 2: of like, no, that doesn't make sense.
38:46
Speaker 1: I don't think if I asked her today, I doubt
38:48
Speaker 1: she could remember anything about it except for that scene,
38:52
Speaker 1: because it was just that's not her thing. Like I said,
38:55
Speaker 1: she didn't like didn't let me have The Exorcist in
38:58
Speaker 1: the house. She hated movie Constantine when I made her
39:01
Speaker 1: take me to see it in theater.
39:03
Speaker 2: Rule I kind of forget about that one.
39:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that movie. I didn't too, but she
39:09
Speaker 1: did not like it. But she watched this for me
39:15
Speaker 1: with me for whatever reason. Uh, she didn't complain about it.
39:20
Speaker 2: So there's an interesting thing with all of these religious
39:26
Speaker 2: horror that it has everything to do with the apocalypse
39:29
Speaker 2: or the rapture or any of those things happening, and
39:32
Speaker 2: they want to instigate it. So many of the good
39:35
Speaker 2: guys become villains because they're trying to instigate or punish
39:39
Speaker 2: in the name of God by doing these things, which
39:42
Speaker 2: is an interesting Constantine did the same thing Gabriel. Was
39:46
Speaker 2: that the angel that she did? But like, it's like,
39:49
Speaker 2: is it not the only one? There's so many in
39:51
Speaker 2: this conversation that they would be deemed as the good
39:54
Speaker 2: people causing the chaos again.
39:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so Immaculate and the first Omen came
40:06
Speaker 1: out at the same time, like very close together, and
40:11
Speaker 1: they're similar in a lot of ways. I would say
40:14
Speaker 1: the first Omen I preferred, but I like the ending
40:20
Speaker 1: of Immaculate better.
40:22
Speaker 2: So it's the first omen in relation to the Omen. Yes,
40:25
Speaker 2: because I've never seen this, but this plot line sounds
40:28
Speaker 2: really familiar, I'll say.
40:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's hindered by the fact that it
40:33
Speaker 1: is part of a forty year old franchise. I think so,
40:38
Speaker 1: And it's a prequel, so she's given to the.
40:43
Speaker 2: Date. Yes, because isn't there a movie called Damien in
40:48
Speaker 2: that franchise as well?
40:49
Speaker 1: I think so. It's a long running franchise and it
40:52
Speaker 1: also has several spin offs and several comedy spin offs
40:55
Speaker 1: as well, but I will say Immaculate did have the
41:01
Speaker 1: kill the baby ending that I well, there's that. Yeah, yeah,
41:08
Speaker 1: but they were they were very similar. And also both
41:11
Speaker 1: of them did hammer on the point that it was
41:13
Speaker 1: like mostly men in power, but women were also helping
41:16
Speaker 1: perpetrate these things, so it was not just yeah baby
41:22
Speaker 1: mm hm, yes, indeed, okay this but mother. Yes I
41:30
Speaker 1: didn't even put mother in here, but yes, absolutely, I
41:33
Speaker 1: have a quick Nosferatu aside the new one. I have
41:38
Speaker 1: not seen it, okay, So I wanted to do a
41:40
Speaker 1: whole episode on it because I had so many thoughts
41:42
Speaker 1: when I watched it. We might still I don't know,
41:46
Speaker 1: but I was so fascinated by it because on the
41:49
Speaker 1: one hand, it had so many it's it's interesting when
41:52
Speaker 1: you see a movie that has so many of these
41:54
Speaker 1: ideas that like, she needs her husband, that's the problem,
41:58
Speaker 1: and then you have like the Nosratu, which I've seen
42:03
Speaker 1: the original it's been a minute, but there's this whole
42:06
Speaker 1: idea of like that sexy virginal maiden. You have sex
42:10
Speaker 1: with them, and then you're the only one that can
42:13
Speaker 1: redeem them or the salvation that's the only thing. And
42:18
Speaker 1: then the interesting thing is too if you haven't seen
42:21
Speaker 1: Noseratu and you were very interested in because it's the
42:25
Speaker 1: same as the prequel. So I feel like the spoiler's
42:27
Speaker 1: part is kind of out the window because that movie's ancient.
42:29
Speaker 1: But if you really want to let me spoil, then
42:33
Speaker 1: just skip two minutes. But you know, she basically offers
42:37
Speaker 1: up her body and they have sex until sunrise, and
42:40
Speaker 1: he dies because he can't resist her because he's a
42:47
Speaker 1: vampire and not Seratu.
42:50
Speaker 2: She kills.
42:51
Speaker 1: She kills someone sex, but she also dies. She also dies.
42:55
Speaker 2: Well good, I guess.
42:56
Speaker 1: And so I got to the end of it and
42:58
Speaker 1: I was like, is this a sex positive movie? Because
43:01
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out the whole time, she's thinking
43:05
Speaker 1: about this vampire who at a young age she felt
43:09
Speaker 1: kind of some attraction too, not necessarily sexual, but she
43:12
Speaker 1: felt some kind of attraction too, and she has all
43:16
Speaker 1: these men in her life that are really controlling and
43:19
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and she made the decision. But I mean,
43:23
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like they had sex until
43:27
Speaker 1: they both died.
43:28
Speaker 2: I don't know. So the way you're describing it just
43:33
Speaker 2: sounds like it's just a horny movie. The people.
43:37
Speaker 1: I think I'm probably doing a bad job at describing it,
43:40
Speaker 1: but that is ending. It's a long movie, man, though
43:45
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other things that happened. So I
43:50
Speaker 1: have another quote from that Berkeley Center Georgetown series, and
43:57
Speaker 1: this is about the original. Some may read ellen sacrifice
44:02
Speaker 1: through the lens of Christian models of devotion, paradigms often
44:06
Speaker 1: specifically gendered and gory and sexualized representations of the suffering
44:10
Speaker 1: of female saints and martyrs. However, it's notable that the
44:13
Speaker 1: male figures we meet in the film are incredibly passive
44:16
Speaker 1: victims of the vampire, or are simply ineffectual. Perhaps more interesting,
44:22
Speaker 1: given the perennial patriarchal need to control female sexuality, Ellen
44:27
Speaker 1: feels drawn to the vampire throughout the film. The narrative
44:30
Speaker 1: allows a woman not only to show desire, but also
44:33
Speaker 1: to direct it toward an image of alterity, the inhuman
44:38
Speaker 1: face and form of Noceratu. So I guess you know what.
44:43
Speaker 1: You can also listen to our episode on women art Monsters.
44:48
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I always like to call That's what I
44:53
Speaker 2: come back to.
44:55
Speaker 1: Nosratu is such a doo soo. Anyway, I would love
45:02
Speaker 1: to come back and talk about it. I wrote like
45:05
Speaker 1: a whole outlined. Before I'd even asked about that, I
45:07
Speaker 1: was like, no, I got some thoughts about this.
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Speaker 2: Is this an essay that you're going to put into
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Speaker 2: as an outline?
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Speaker 1: Maybe recently, when Joey was on the show and we
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Speaker 1: talked about New York Comic Con afterwards, they were like,
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Speaker 1: you should publish these essays, and I said, I don't
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Speaker 1: who wants these essays. I think they're just for me.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're for anybody else. But if we
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Speaker 1: do an episode, I'm.
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Speaker 2: Ready, that's going to be the essay. Let's go.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I do want to say there are also
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Speaker 1: actual horror movies that are very much in the vein
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Speaker 1: of like, you know, you're bad Christian horror movies that
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Speaker 1: do depict women who have had abortions going to home.
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Speaker 2: That is the same ones that sexualize women to the
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Speaker 2: point of like, oh, all they care about is.
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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So that does exist. I honestly don't really
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Speaker 1: want to give any more. I don't want to shout
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Speaker 1: any title, shout out any titles or anything, but that
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Speaker 1: is a thing that exists. I would say it's probably
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Speaker 1: pretty similar to what you might see in a Crisis
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Speaker 1: Pregnancy Center. And lastly, before we close out on this
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Speaker 1: part one of our religious horror study, we did mention
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Speaker 1: recently we've been talking about marriage horror. You can see
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Speaker 1: our episodes on Silent Hill f for that, which isn't
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Speaker 1: really religious, but it's I feel like when I personally
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Speaker 1: think of marriage, at least for a long time, I've
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Speaker 1: associated it with religion here in the US, So for me,
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Speaker 1: a lot of marriage horror does feel slightly religious. Examples,
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Speaker 1: I could think of Ready or Not as a kind
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Speaker 1: of satanic cult religious aspect to it, where they're you
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Speaker 1: might have to sacrifice this bride depending on what happens
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Speaker 1: with the game that we're playing Midsommar. They're not married necessarily.
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Speaker 2: But I think something about relationship.
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Speaker 1: Bad relationship, and kind of a cult thing going on,
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Speaker 1: So I could I see that in religious horror, and
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Speaker 1: then loss of a partner in general leading to some
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Speaker 1: kind of possession or hunting. I think that's a big,
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Speaker 1: a big trope, and I've actually been reading about it recently,
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Speaker 1: and I wanted to do another episode on mental health
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Speaker 1: and horror, but it just it's spiraled out of control,
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Speaker 1: so I couldn't couldn't do it for now, but you know,
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Speaker 1: that's sort of like the grief aspect, which is something
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Speaker 1: we're going to pick up on in part two. But
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Speaker 1: I think we should. We should probably call it for now, Okay, yes,
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Speaker 1: because we do have a lot more to get into
48:08
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