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Hospital bans EV charging due to fire risk, plus Gordie goes drifting · The Driver's Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. This is me putting on a professional voice
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  Speaker 1: because the last two intros Paul has deemed too offensive
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not allowed to put them in. Sorry about
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  Speaker 1: the delay in the show, everybody, We're a professional podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Moving forward. Just kidding, just kidding. Jake's guys, it's been
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  Speaker 1: a while between drinks. Yeah, I blame you. Yes, I've
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  Speaker 1: been away. You've been away. You were sick.
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  Speaker 2: At one point that we will meet to film, I
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  Speaker 2: said I was sick, but yeah, I got that vibe.
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  Speaker 1: You sounded fine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, right at the end of the call, when
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  Speaker 2: someone calls in sick, they're like, oh shit, I got
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  Speaker 2: a cough and then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very much like I've got the black
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  Speaker 1: lung pops and then mal he gave me the fucking
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  Speaker 1: time off. Let's go. Yeah, I was sick the family.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Everyone had COVID, so I'm got crook. Well, well you
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  Speaker 1: were in town for something, weren't you. Yes, what was it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
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  Speaker 2: I was up with Joe Achilles, who were going to
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  Speaker 2: have on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We had a new best mate.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we did a couple of shows, did a couple
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  Speaker 2: of shows, so one it wasn't a show.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a YEAHJ J, that's it. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: an awkward reference.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the one that I unfortunately know, but let's
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  Speaker 2: not go there. But yeah, we're in Sydney to do
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  Speaker 2: the Sydney Show at BMW Sydney in Rush Cutters Base
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  Speaker 2: Shine Dealership. But yeah, we actually drove from and I'll
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  Speaker 2: just quickly run through this. We drove from Melbourne to
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  Speaker 2: Sydney in two BMW seven series. One was a seven
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  Speaker 2: forty and the other was an I seven. And we
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  Speaker 2: wanted to figure out whether it is actually cheaper to
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  Speaker 2: do the drive in a petrol car or an EV
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  Speaker 2: how much inconvenience is sort of added to it all?
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  Speaker 1: And I do love that you chose BMW for that
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  Speaker 1: comparison to you poor bars.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, no, we did this once with our balls
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  Speaker 2: and I in an EV six and an out in
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  Speaker 2: Q five days.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, adelaid to Sydney and PA was
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  Speaker 1: where you met Donna. Correct, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: So people bitch that they weren't the same car as
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  Speaker 2: in it wasn't like that was that was diesel and
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  Speaker 2: that was the EV version. So we thought, well let's
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  Speaker 2: make it equal and BMW had the seven Series available
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  Speaker 2: in both petrol and EV and we thought.
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  Speaker 1: We'll give it a crack.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, they are very expensive and not a realistic car,
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  Speaker 2: but if you just transpose those two cars with any
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  Speaker 2: other two cars that have an internal combustion and an
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  Speaker 2: EV version, you can kind of follow the same routine
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  Speaker 2: and further caveat to that is, obviously the seven Series
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  Speaker 2: is heavy, and if you did it in a lighter
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  Speaker 2: electric vehicle it would be different. But the premise is
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  Speaker 2: the BMW claims to do at least five hundred kilometers
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  Speaker 2: on a single charge. So in the future, when cheaper
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  Speaker 2: evs have more range and a lighter and blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 2: this should be the same story. So anyway, we set
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  Speaker 2: off from Melbourne and I thought it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a bit uneventful list because you know, the BMW.
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  Speaker 1: Is just it just kind of just works.
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  Speaker 2: Everything was fine then halfway Our plan was to stop
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  Speaker 2: at Tarcuta, which is halfway between Melbourne and Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: What was it called Tarcuta? Tarkata, It's like the sounds
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  Speaker 1: regional town I probably did radio in once upon. It's
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  Speaker 1: just about bloody half an hour from tear a bag apart. No, No,
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  Speaker 1: my down the road from Kicking Can around Tarakata.
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  Speaker 2: So halfway there, I got a message from Jade in
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  Speaker 2: our office and she goes, oh, have any of the
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  Speaker 2: EV charges worked?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: And she goes, the Optus network is down and I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so what So at these EV charges it has to
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  Speaker 2: authenticate your credit card and stuff, and half of them
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  Speaker 2: were on the Optus network. So I was at this
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  Speaker 2: point about half an hour away from Tarkata and that
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  Speaker 2: was our destination. And I said, look, we can turn
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  Speaker 2: around and go somewhere else. But I mean, this is
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  Speaker 2: part of the story, right if I if it doesn't work,
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  Speaker 2: then you guys continue driving and I'll just hang around somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Else's the problem you get a children too.
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  Speaker 2: It listened to Gordy's success or a Tarkata a FM,
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  Speaker 2: the Sound of the Coast or the Sound of Inland.
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  Speaker 1: Which the music we all love now huge Blinda carlor.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, I started getting a bit of range anxiety
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  Speaker 2: because I arrived at Tarkata with two percent battery left,
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  Speaker 2: like it was almost empty. And the other thing we
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  Speaker 2: were going to do on this trip was make sure
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  Speaker 2: that we didn't put it in e Co Martos left
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  Speaker 2: the AC on twenty one degrees. It was bloody hot,
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  Speaker 2: cooled seats running, all that sort of stuff. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: this was the like the only charger in the country
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  Speaker 2: that actually still worked. That's incresed some reason. It must
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  Speaker 2: have been on Telstrue. They may not have had optors
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  Speaker 2: there or something. So thankfully that worked. Put a bit
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  Speaker 2: juice in it and anyway, long story short, we got
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  Speaker 2: to the end and the EV cost so all the
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  Speaker 2: charging we brim them at the start, so when we
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  Speaker 2: started the road trip it was one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: That's a thought. He was there to help with that bit,
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  Speaker 1: just paul A Joe so having a good brim session.
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  Speaker 2: So both of them were brimmed at in Hawthorne in
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  Speaker 2: the back the nozzle in there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So the EV total cost one hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 2: one dollars and ninety two cents one.
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  Speaker 1: Point thirty one for the EV yep Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The petrol car, so this is premium unloaded ninety eight
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  Speaker 2: run it costs one hundred and seventeen dollars, So it
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  Speaker 2: was cheaper to do the trip in a petrol car
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  Speaker 2: than it was to do it in the diesel.
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  Speaker 1: Someone else did a report on news dot com dot
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  Speaker 1: you about about this a similar sort of a thing,
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  Speaker 1: and just saying how much it costs to get from
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  Speaker 1: say Sydney Melbourne and v as opposed to the usual trip,
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  Speaker 1: and not as precise as yours. Obviously not a proper test,
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  Speaker 1: but just an observation and interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, look, I mean, obviously the BMW would average
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  Speaker 2: just over twenty killer what hours per one hundred ks.
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  Speaker 2: If you do it in a more efficient car, it'd
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  Speaker 2: probably about sixteen or fifteen depending on the car.
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  Speaker 1: Having said that, you're filling up charging up on the road, right,
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  Speaker 1: so it's going to be a different cost if you're
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  Speaker 1: using this car, like obviously around town as a commuter
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  Speaker 1: and you're charging it.
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  Speaker 2: If you're charging at home, obviously it's cheaper. And also
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to a destination where there's free charging,
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  Speaker 2: then you would lop thirty three dollars off the charging price,
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  Speaker 2: which was the final cost that we had to put
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  Speaker 2: in there, so then it would it would become cheaper.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're on a road trip, which is what
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  Speaker 2: people do, you're going to be using public charging infrastructure,
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  Speaker 2: and you may not have charging your destination. So this
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  Speaker 2: is just a fair way of doing it so that
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  Speaker 2: we can have an Apple's for Apples comparison. And the
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  Speaker 2: other thing as well is that electricity prices are getting
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  Speaker 2: more expensive. So at the moment, it was costing between
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  Speaker 2: sixty five and sixty nine cents per kilo what hour
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  Speaker 2: to charge these cars. So you can imagine in the
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  Speaker 2: future as electricity prices keep going up, it is just
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  Speaker 2: going to become more expensive because these fuel companies are
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  Speaker 2: just going to want to make the same amount of
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  Speaker 2: money as they did off you when you were filling
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  Speaker 2: it up with petrol or diesel.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny, though, we hear so much bitching and moaning
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  Speaker 1: about the price of petrol, and no one in their
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  Speaker 1: EV's is complaining about the price of charging them on
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  Speaker 1: public charges. Really yep.
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  Speaker 2: And you know the other thing I'm going to throw
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  Speaker 2: into the mix as well. At the moment, forty odd
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  Speaker 2: cents per liter of fuel goes to the government, So
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  Speaker 2: the second you remove that, they're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: add that on to your charging for an EV eventually,
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  Speaker 2: because they're not just going to relinquish billions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: in fuel excise, So it is only going to become
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  Speaker 2: more expensive to charge an EV on public charging infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're like me, we haven't paid for the
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  Speaker 2: past year a single cent to.
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  Speaker 1: Charge our EV at home your tesla.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're in an apartment building and we use
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  Speaker 2: common electricity.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just paid for by all own it's not
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  Speaker 1: it is paid for by body in theory. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's divided by everyone, so it isn't a
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  Speaker 2: fair system.
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  Speaker 1: But so where you have this, so everyone who's not
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  Speaker 1: hang on, so everyone in your apartment building who's not
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  Speaker 1: an EV owner is essentially paying for your Aye, you
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: sneaky bastard. And an't you like the bloody chairman. We've
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: moved out of that building, so is used. There was
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: a few little you don't talk about that. Yeah, that's fun.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I think for every case where you're
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  Speaker 2: paying for stuff, you're going to have an offset where
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  Speaker 2: someone has sol or batteries or whatever. So it sort
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  Speaker 2: of balances out in the grand scheme of things. But
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  Speaker 2: I just thought it was an interesting thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, so that that story will be out shortly
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  Speaker 2: and have a watch.
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  Speaker 1: Of the video Joe and I.
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  Speaker 2: Joe isn't a fan of EV's, so you can imagine
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: how much shit he was hanging on me in the
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  Speaker 2: video when we discovered that there was an opt us out.
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  Speaker 1: This new apartment building you're in, Is it like a
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: gated style community if you've got some sort of care
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  Speaker 1: going on? Yeah? Have you got help? You don't have
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: the maide in this one. You had that in the
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  Speaker 1: last one. Yeah, So where are you living right now?
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: Let's share it for everyone. Share your address so people
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: know where to send hate mail pooh bombs. I remember
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: the pooh bombs in the bag. Send most a little path.
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  Speaker 1: Why you told your boring story about EV's and bloody
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  Speaker 1: Joe Achilles or whatever his fucking name is. I was
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  Speaker 1: too busy drifting around a track. Oh how'd that guy? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to We'll talk about this in
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  Speaker 1: the next episode, but just a quick one of shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Drift School Australia on Instagram, who reached out.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: I had a bloody fun day. Fernando who runs the thing, Well,
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: he'll go deep into the day and talk about I
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: think he's gonna give me a bit of a score
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  Speaker 1: on my progress. Do you know one thing I did? Notice? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can give you the score now if you want. No,
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  Speaker 2: Actually I did pretty bloody well.
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  Speaker 1: Have you know? Do you know the hardest thing I
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: realized isn't so much the actual act of drifting. It's
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  Speaker 1: to kind of kick the car around to that perfect
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: sort of angle. That was That was the hardest point. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting how they start the day off, because
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  Speaker 1: you kind of lead up a drifting, they kind of
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: teach you the basic sort of foundations I guess of
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: what you're going to need to kind of get to
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: that point. So like doughnuts and all sorts of stuff
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: which are nailed. The fact that they had sitting risen
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: from seven eleven polished those off. But yeah, so all
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff was. It was great. It was easy.
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  Speaker 1: It was sort of but the one thing that I
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: thought was going to be I thought the actual getting
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: into the position of a drift would have been the
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: easy part, and it was holding sort of that position
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: that would have been the hard part. But it was
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: for me, it was completely the opposite. Once I was
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: in sort of drift, that was kind of easy to
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: find that friction point generally and balance around. It's just
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: kicking that fucking car around. And there's a few different ones.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: They had utes and nice. They had three point fifty
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: z which was highly modern. Yeah, I know, but I
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: like that. I preferred it. It was just nice and
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: easy Tardi. Uh what else did I think? They had
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: a Sylvia too? Ute? Sounded fucking yeah, Commodore? Yeah, yeah, nice,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: really good, very nice. But yeah, a great day. We'll
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: chat about that in the next one. But shout out
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: to shout out to those guys. Go go buy yourself
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: a nice little Christmas present. Often because they it's an
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: interesting one because you know when you do those sort
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: of experiences, the bloody you know, red balloon or experience,
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: you know, all these sort of car experiences. He sort
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: of think to yourself, Man, they stack up in cost.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: And then I was talking to a couple of the
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: instructors about just the running costs of this thing, and
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: it's huge.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, put it this way, if you were to
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: take your own car, you would And this is the thing.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: Their cars are engineered for that driving. They've got a
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: proper either a locked or of very limited slip differential,
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: which isn't on a standard car, and then in addition
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: to that, they've got extra steering angle as well to
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: make it easier to drift. You've got engine modifications for
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: additional card. So if you were to go take your
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: own car there, you would probably do a thousand dollars
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: worth of damage by the time in one session everything.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I always say to people, whenever you look
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: at track days and stuff where you're not supplying your car, Yep, whatever.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: The cost is, it's probably worth it. They've got. One
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: of the instructors was saying, because he went through the
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: school himself and then loved it that much, he sort
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: of kept going with it, and now he's an instructor.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: But he was saying, five years ago he'd pay I
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: think it was like one hundred bucks a tire. Right
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: now it's two hundred bucks a tire, right, So all
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: those sort of things have doubled. Things like you know,
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: as you said, the mods, the handbrakes, like everything. Engines.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: People used to buy.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: LS three engines that they would stick in stuff, and
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: if you didn't buy a crate engine, which were quite expensive,
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: you'd go and find a wrecked car that had a
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: rear impact and you'd.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: Just salvage the engine.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: Now you cannot find an LS three or a barrower
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: anywhere because people have just gobbled up everything. They're no
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: longer making barrows, so they're impossible to find. So of
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: the few that left, they're demanding high premium. So to
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: actually build a drift car today, this.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: Culture is the ultimate environmentalists. They're really easy. Well that's it,
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: there you go, green, Yeah, Greta get on block. Can
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: you imagine Greta doing the drift? How dare you? I
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: should be in school? No, sorry, she's no. Thanks. Oh
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: you know what else I did? I just spend some
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: time in a BYD Dolphin. Oh, there you go. Yeah,
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. Yeah, I enjoyed it. It's quirky. It's
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: a quirky little thing. Do you know what? The interior
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: is not as full on, I guess as the ATO three,
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: but it is much cheaper, isn't it. Yeah? Well yeah,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: you're looking at around about forty thousand dollars. It sort
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: of competes with the MG four. It was a bit
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: of a bitch, sessh because when I think MG four
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: jumped on, they launched with forty thousand dollars. Ye, drive
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: away or something like that. These guys undercut MG by
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: one hundred bucks drive away, so technically they're Australia's most
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: affordable EVA. If I was sort of comparing it to say,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: the MG four, I think the MG four looks I
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's Apple's oranges one sort of styled
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: a bit more aggressive than I quite like the MG four.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: But the MG four's interior compared to the BYD interior,
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: I thought the BYD nailed it. Like they've got better tech.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: It looks better. It's obviously doesn't have that ridiculous quirk
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: that the A three kind of had with the strings
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But it's really well, it's really
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: well put together. Inside, the text really good. I think
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: it does a better job of the interior. Generally, I'm
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: looking forward to the the X. Yeah, the Seal is
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: going to be great. I think we're doing something with Luke.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Look out for that. You strap the wet suit on, yeah, yeah,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: when you're in the Dolphin, it actually does make that
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: sort of it's the sound of a dolphin even when
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: you push the horn. It is showing that electric cars
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: are getting much much cheaper in Australia. Sorry, with the Dolphin,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: is when you pass another dolphin driver in traffic, like,
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: rather than sort of give the knowing wave, you can
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: just throw a piece of fish at them and they
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: balance a beach ball on their head. It makes SENSEA look,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: just a quick one on that. We won't to a
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: full review or anything of it, but I think it
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: should definitely be, definitely be on people's list because it's
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: it's a great little car and it's fuck it's thirty
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: nine just under forty thousand drive away. Yeah, yeah it is.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: It is cheap. We actually did a drag race between
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: the MG four x Power and the I seven seventy.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Oh I've got the x Power Monday. I'm looking for
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: it too.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: So that was sixty grand versus three hundred and fifty grand.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you can head to the car Expert channel
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: to check that out.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: It is just tell me the result right now. No,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: it was actually half half one half of them and
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: the BMW on the other half. Yeah, it was really
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: quite fascinating. How did you find before I get into
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: this thing? How did you find it with the because
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: this thing's dual motor or will drive sort of situation
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: going on? Yeah, look, it was.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Okay in a straight line, but when we started sort
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: of getting up at around the right and handling track.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: It has a few quirks that I wasn't a fan of.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: So it's got a talk vectoring system and an electronic
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: locking differential, and none of that works really well with
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: the stability control, so it's constantly biting and doing weird
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: stuff mid corner. So I think that needs a little
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: bit of work. But outside of that, breaks were good.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Handling was pretty good for sixty grand. Yeah, and not
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: complain you can't really good like.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking forward to is the fact that it's,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you know, the handling should be a little bit better
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: technically than the m FALL the standard YEP.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: But the other thing as well is that I don't
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: love the battery capacity. It's using the smaller battery, so
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: you only getting rated range of three hundred and fifty k's.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Our range on the day was two hundred and the
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: bad tree was flat, so we did a lot of
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: hard driving.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: But one hundred k's of that. One hundred and ten
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: k's of that was highway driving to get there. Now
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: that I'm a drift expert, does that have a drift mode?
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the other thing they need to
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: fix as well. It's sort of that needs to get
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: sorted to. But otherwise, sixty thousand dollars, what is that?
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Zero to one hundred and three point eight Yeah, fucking
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, it is quick. It is quick. There is
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: still something a little bit underwhelming going fast in an
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: EV rather than a three hundred and fifty thousand dollar Porsche.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks very much. That's true, you know what I mean,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: just lacks that sound and emotion, likes that everything. Oh hey,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: here's an interesting story that pops across my desk, thanks
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to you. Gone hey. So monsh hospital has decided to
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: ban EV charges. Now, I thought they were just kind
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: of saying no to the whole no to EV charges
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: in general. But they've literally pulled the ones that they've
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: got out and said, nah, it's not happening. Yeah. According to.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: The story on our site, so Mono Shealth has banned
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: electric vehicle charging in its hospitals and medical centers, citing
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: a work Safe Victoria's safety alert warning that evs pose
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: a fire risk. So the exact wording from work Safe
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: was when overheated lithium ion batteries of all sizes can
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: catch fire, the fire is often hard to put out
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and the smoke from the fire can be toxic. So
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: obviously you can see how that's an issue at a
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: workplace where where it's a hospital, because you've got sick
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: people that are already. So the recommendation is that electric
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: vehicles with lithium ion battery should not be charged close
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to office spaces or near people, and that there should
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: be a dedicated charging area that's separate from areas where
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: people are working.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Fuck, what do they want to paddock?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it seems that way. But yeah, I
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: just find it. I find it really interesting that you
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: know this is happening. We published also content recently about
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: a big body corporate firm here in Melbourne that has
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: recommended to owners corporations that they don't install EV charges
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: or charge vehicles apartment building.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So this is obviously an area of concern and there
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: is no kind of ruling on this yet. There's just
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: all this loose advice.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So but I mean, and this advice is essentially coming
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: from I would imagine government bodies things like you know,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like for instance, in New South Wales, I know, the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: New South Wales Fire Authority. You know, these people did
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: like a full report and we're saying how difficult it
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: is to put out ev fires.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: It's a fact, right, So a lithiumine battery fire gets
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: thermal run away and is almost impossible to put out quickly,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: so that there is no known way of doing it quickly.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: They've created like dunking bars where Ukraine like a smoldering
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Jesus fire into this immerse it in water until it
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: is well and truly safely out. That's impossible, well, almost
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: impossible to do in an apartment building or near or
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: underground car park or something like that, because you can't
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: pull the car out safely. So it is a genuine issue.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: There are very few instances of electric vehicle fires, so
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: it's not as if this is happening every day, but
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: when they do happen, it's obviously bad news. And I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: think a lot of this is stemming from the fires Leaven.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Last night on the news, a family lost half their
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: home because an electric bicycle they were charging over an
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: either course.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Fire and took half the house out. Trev talked about
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: this in the podcast a couple of weeks ago. You question,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like where the charging cables coming from and all that
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: sort of stuff. That's the problem. There's a bicycles and scooters.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: You don't know how they manufacture, You don't know what
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: safety tolerances they have, probably very low, given they're selling
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: them kind of anonymously, and I don't know who's actually
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: checking that is the government who knows. Electric cars I
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: think are a fast, safer alternative. But obviously an electric
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: car catch fire is significantly worse than a scooter catching
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: fire because it is a much bigger battery. So yeah,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: look at you something to look at if you do
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: want to protect yourself if you buy an electric car
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that has an LFP battery, So that is typically the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Chinese electric vehicles like the Tesla's, the BYD's, and that
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the cheaper versions, they tend to not have a lithium
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: ion battery that has that thermal runaway property. These can
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: still catch fire and can still be hard to put out,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: but they're not anywhere near as bad as a lithium
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: ion battery.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: So would we have the same problem. It's going to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: sound like a dumb question, but I'm used to it now. Yeah, fine,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: go ahead, just like a real lie. We have the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: same problem in hydrogen cars.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Well, hydrogen cars are slightly different. So with a hydrogen car,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: it's you don't have that thermal runaway. So when hydrogen escapes,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: it escapes quickly and it disperses quickly. So if you
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: do get hydrogen escaping, it's going to burn. It's not
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: a visible flame, but it will burn quickly and dissipate.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Problem with hydrogen is that if it makes its way
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: back into the tank, the tank is heavily pressurized. If
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you then get ignition in the tank, then that's a
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: bigger problem because you have a huge amount stored in
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: this space and you can get a big explosion. But
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: there are a huge number of protections in place for
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: hydrogen vehicles, so they have leaked detection internally, so they
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: can one way valves for hydrogen escaping the tank as well,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: so there was even in terms of car accidents. Toyota
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: had vision of them firing a m whatever gun with
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: some giant bullet at hydrogen tank ause they're multi carbon
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: layered tanks and basically it took them two shots in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the one same spot to penetrate the tank. So if
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you can fire a giant military rifle at a tank
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: twice and it's still not coming.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: From a guy who has a military car by the way, Yeah, correct,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: what else you've got? There was still no explosion there.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Then I think they are significantly safer than what people
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: think of HydroD So so yeah, I don't know. It
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: is an interesting time, and it is worth keeping in
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: mind that when an internal combustion car catches on fire,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you literally have a fuel tank.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It has a huge source of flammable liquid.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, under exactly, So it is actually just as bad,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: but it is easier to put out. The problem is
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: if you get an internal combustion car catch on fire
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: in a car park and there's evs next to it,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you can just see the compounding effect if they all
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: catch fire.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it is. It is interesting.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So keen for your feedback on this. Contact at the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Drivers Show dot com dot au. Let us know what
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you think about this. Do you think that this is
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: a problem. Would you buy an EV if you lived
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: in an apartment building? Do you support charging them at
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: work in inclosed spaces? Let us know what you reckon
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the thing.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Of the I'll get rid of that, don't worry. Hey,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: so Cherry's got a hot new accessory. I know you're
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: a big fan of it. It's got a little thorhammer. Yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: it was great.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: We were testing the Cherry Tigo seven Pro what's called
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Tigo seven that voice though, and I sort of opened
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the center console and I'm like, oh, what's in this
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: little leather bag? I thought it was perhaps some I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: opened it up and I'm like, oh, Gord, he's like
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: one of his toys in here. But it was basically
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a hammer similar to what a juvenile in Queensland would
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: use just before they steal your car. It basically has
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: a solid tip on it and you just literally tap
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it on glass and it will shatter the glass. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: then it's also got a seat belt cutter built into it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It sounds like something from Trevor's bottom drawer.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So it's designed here just in case you are in
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: an accident where the car you can't get out, you
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: go straight to your center console and whip out the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: safety hammer.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel like if a car is supplying
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that they might know something we don't do, you know
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, you're the first car that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I can remember but apart from like one of those
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: little busses that you go on Bucks parties at that
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: come with an actual little hammer to bust out in
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: case there's a fucking accident. But think about it this way.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It's actually not a bad idea because if you're in
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: a serious enough accident where your power supplies cut off
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and your car has electric windows, which is every car
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: on the market, so you have to smash a window
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: to get out. Yeah, smashing a window is hard to do,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: so it is tricky to do, and if you are
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: stuck in a position where you need to get your
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: seat belts off as well. I mean that there are
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a number of instances where this would be handy in
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a Tesla. I mean not why in the back seat
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: you don't actually have an emergency release for the doors.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: So in front seats you have emergency releases for the doors.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: The back seat doesn't have any you have to well
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: it actually does, but you have to like remove some
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: carpet to find this thing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: If you're thinking, to the bottom is the dumbest stable
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: at all time.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I can see why this would be handy
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and perhaps something that Tesla could look at putting in
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: their cars.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Hmm, Well you could just call my ex girlfriend and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: cheese some fucking break windows and shit all the time. Hey,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: just quickly. I just wanted to get your thoughts on
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Cadillac coming to Australia. Yes, because all they're sort of
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: bringing over here is a couple of evs, right yep.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I reckon it will be a complete waste of time
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and money. And I'll tell you why.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: So they're retailing out of Mauls, so it's where you
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: can buy them an online.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: And they're bringing electric vehicles to Australia and not cool
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: looking ones, like they look all right, but they're not
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: like there, what's the one that everyone loves, the big Escalade. Yeah, no,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that's not coming.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: So by the end of twenty twenty four, ittably the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Lyric crossover, so it'll be factory right hand drive. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the reason I don't think it's going to work is
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: because the US dollar at the moment is completely screwed.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: This is an expensive car in the US. It is
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: going to be very expensive here if you look at
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: how much they're charging for Corvettes, which are sort of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: built in a similar fashion.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And also no one really knows or cares about Cadillac
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: in Australia. Well, also, no one's going to get on
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that point. Nobody's going to get really the exclusivity or
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the sort of brand image of a Cadillac, Like someone's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: going to look at a Cadillac and go, you want
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: how much for that car? I've barely heard of really
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: that American car that my grandpa had. Now and they've
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: said here executives made multiple mentions of Cadillacs selling in
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: exclusive volumes. Hey, whoever wrote that? Pr shit girl, take
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the rest of the week off, because that is brilliant.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: This is this one though, a quote from one of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: their executives as well, who said it's going to do
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: incredibly well here.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: That is a quote that is going to date very quickly.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I love that. That's what he said, Like that's is
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: she She said, it's going to do very well here.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Thanks for that. Do you sound like Pat Cash doing
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: commentary at the tennis That was a really good shot. Thanks. Sorry,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: it's just bad cash, just fucking give me the shoots lately, Hey,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: pricing for the new Triton. So I thought, sorry, I'm
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: so sorry. No no, no, no you go, no, no
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you go, because I was just going to say, what
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: have we got a little Pavlai? But you go right
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: into this conversation for here straight up pricing, so no, no,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you go, thank you, So I'll go.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: So Mitsubishi Triton, there's there's a brand new model by
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the time this goes to where I will have driven
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: it FII, but pricing is just lobbed. So it starts
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: at forty three six ninety for the entry level Glex
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: four x two. That's up three grand, and it caps
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: out at sixty three eight forty, which is up by
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: around seven thousand dollars for the GSR four by four. Now,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I thought they were going to go much harder with pricing,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: as in I thought it was going to be a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: whole lot more expensive than what it actually is. So
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the fact that it caps out at just over sixty grand,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think is the end of the world if
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: you have a look at where highlights pricing and range
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: of pricing has gone. So I think it's not as
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: bad as it could have been. It is still a
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: big jump for a vehicle that has changed but hasn't
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: changed a huge amount. So I'll be interested to see
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: what it's like to drive, what this new twin turbocharged
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: engine is like, and whether it feels like a big
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: enough improvement to justify the price what do you reckon
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: about the design?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I like this. I like this a lot. I think
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it looks good. They've taken more of a sort of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a flat stance. It's starting to look a little bit
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: sort of that boxy American vibe about it. It definitely
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: looks tough. Yeah yeah, look even in the base like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: it looks it doesn't look shit. Yeah, So look, I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'll be curious to see how it goes.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: The thing that they have to be careful of is
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Chinese brands are cornering the entry level of the market.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: They're pricing themselves really well. And if you look at
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: something like the Canon XSR comes with all the bells
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and whistles, and that is just over fifty grand, a
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: little over fifty grand, So this is sixty just over
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: sixty grand, and it still doesn't have half the equipment
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that the Cannon has. So you've got the Chinese at
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the entry level of the market cornering on pricing, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: then you've got Ford and Toyta at the top end.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: These guys are trying to sort of slip in in the.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Middle but sort of jack their price up a little bit,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and it's like you gotta be careful with that because
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: soon you'll have no point.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Of difference LDVT six sixty. Yes, they look great and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: they're cheap, and they're cheap, and they're TechEd up yep,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: five hundred meters as well, so more than this. So yeah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I think that they just need to be careful.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: They are the only ones with the ten ye warranty,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: so I'll be interested to see how it drives, and that'll,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I guess, will dictate how it goes for them.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: It's a good looking car and it's fitted out well.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I just hope this works. It just feels like Mitsubishi
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: have been on this decline and I remember jumping in
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the Mitsubishi the Gero Sport recently, Remember jumping in there,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: going fuck, what has happened to me? It's a bishy Yeah,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: it was just old bits of shitty. You put it
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: in there. That's an holy bit of good. Yeah, interesting times.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Hey did you see the Porsche Panamyror? What do you think? Yeah?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those cars that I'm surprised it
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: sort of still exists. Yeah, not that many are sold,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: but that platform will be the basis for a number
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: of electric spin offs as well.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So I can see why they've sort of put some
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: effort into it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it looks fine. I mean the old one
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: looked fine. I'm not really sort of hugely blown away
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: by it, but it looked nice.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: TURBOI hybrid YEP nine hundred and thirty n meters talk
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: zero to one hundred and three point twenty three point three.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: It sounds good.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Biggest issue with that car was always packaging, so the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: boot was terrible.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: It was hard to put anything in it. Back seats
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: were cramped.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: So all of those numbers are great, but if you
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: still haven't fixed the core things with it, then I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: don't really understand.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: You know, the most is non looking Porsche that Porsche make. Yeah,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it's it is just a car built for a certain market.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: It's like you put a kid in the back or
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the dog and you've got a Porsche YEP. Pretty much.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I think Donna would sit in the back of that Porsche.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: She'd be all over there. You would love it. You know.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: When you see those cute little images of like the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: bulldog sticking its head out the window, it's like Dodda
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: would just be like, is that me tiding over me? Face?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Now that's me Labbia parafly. Have you missed me? Absolutely not?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Partly Hey do you want to talk ev? No, Yeah,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: let's do it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: The twenty twenty four V nine prices start from ninety
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: seven thousand dollars for the entry level model Area rear
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: will drive all the way to one hundred and twenty
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: one thousand dollars for the top spack GT line All
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: will Drive.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say too much about this other
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: than this is the shittest looking car I've ever seen.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Do not agree. I think it looks fantastic. It's horrendous,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and when you see it sort of driving at this
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: slow little stance, it just looks like a big, plotty
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: looking constipated hippo. I think it looks great. Did you
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: have the blue one, by the way, Yeah, it was
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a matt colored matte blue ocean blue. That's the worst color. Like.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I even looked at it in the I think it
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: was like a gun metal gray. I thought the black
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: might kind of improve on this. No, the wheels and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it looked like bloody cam Art fry pants. Well, you
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: know the thing is with this car.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Whenever we drive cars, typically if it's new, people will
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: turn their heads and be interested in it when we
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: did our road trip to Sydney in the seven series.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: It is such a polarizing design. I have never driven
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: a car that has turned as many heads as that
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: because it is just wow.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, what is that? The EV nine? Nobody cared, Ah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: nobody cared. It was so weird.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: It was in the top speek trim in ocean blue,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: that matte color. Nobody cared.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So I just found that really interesting for such a
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: polarizing car, just people weren't interested in it at all,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: just based on my assessments. It's so terrible to look
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: at that. People will not look at it because they
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: will throw up a little bit in their mouth.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Well I think it looks good. So but let's talk
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: about the pricing. So it starts at just under one
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: hundred grand.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. One hundred and twenty grand to get
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: this thing on the road. Yeah, well in the top
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: speck is one hundred and twenty plus on roads which
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you're gonna want. You don't want the GT line, So
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it is. It is a lot of money. And look,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's one of those cars where.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: The interior is beautiful, like they've done a really good
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: job with just making it look great.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: That I'll agree with that two tone especially does look good.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It looks like something from a range Rover or something
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: like that. And then you look at the steering well
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and you're not in a range Rover.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: But we're talking here about a car that has one
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: hundred kilo what our battery in the top spectrium, in
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the mid spectrium, and the best it will afford you
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: is five hundred and twelve kilometers of range top circle
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: do zero to one hundred and five point three seconds,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: So it's.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Kind of quick. It's not bad, yeah, yeah, but it is.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It is a lot of money.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And when I sort of put this into perspective, so
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the top speck seven seats one hundred and twenty grand
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: plus on roads, that is buying you a top spec
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: care Carnival which does your people moving stuff, plus another
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: car yep for fun on a weekend for the kid,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? So I think that
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: while this had a lot of hype to start with,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I just don't know how much appeal there's going to
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: be here. There is a lot of appeal in the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: entry level of the EV market as we're seeing globally,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the more expensive stuff from premium brands has just tanked.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: There's pretty much zero off road capabilities in this as well.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: It's not like you can take it on the beach
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, right, Well, I mean you could
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: if you wanted to. But yeah, could you could put
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a fucking Volkswagen Beetle on the beach if you wanted to.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like anything. Should you Probably not,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't know. I just I'm in two
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: minds about this. I drove it and enjoyed it because
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: it was quiet, it had lots of room inside, a
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: third road wasn't as spacious as I thought it'd be
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: for adults. Text great, it does all the sort of
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: techy electric stuff really well.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Charging speeds are goods, et cetera, et cetera.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: But if you look at it in the context of
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the pricing and who was going to be buying this,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you're buying a car that weighs around two point seven tons,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: so it is enormously heavy.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You can't really toe with it.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: You can't really well if you can't toe with it,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: but you just won't get any range. So for a
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: vicle it's this size. There are just so many other
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: things you could buy that will fit a wider brief.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: You can buy a land cruiser that will do towing
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: off road. Seven seats, so.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as a Sorrento got seven seats, Sarenha has got
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: seven seats.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: It is a smaller vehicle though, this is on a
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: three point one meter wheelbase, so it is a big,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: big old thing. So yeah, Look, I don't know, I'm
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: keen for anyone listening to this send us an email.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Contact at the driver's showed at Consday.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: What do you think about this?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I mean one hundred and twenty grand or even at
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: ninety seven grand for the entry level that has a
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: smaller battery in less driving round.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And you're getting a pretty basic interior in that entry level. Yep. Look,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I came across hard because I just looks as subjective
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and to me this looks just something else. But inside
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I think it looks great. Rooming again, one hundred and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: twenty I just feel like this has got this is
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: very fifty to fifty on ticks and crosses, and it is.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Worth just noting as well that one hundred and twenty
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: grand for this is cheap in a seven seat electric
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: vehicle sense. So if you were to pretend that the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: world only had electric vehicles, now this is actually reasonably
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: priced compared to like.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: A Model X and other stuff as well.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: So if you were one hundred intent on buying an
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: EV for whatever reason, whatever your reasoning is, then this
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: is actually not bad value for money. But when you
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: look at it in the context of everything else that's
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: on the market, then it really starts to not.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Make a great deal of sense. I don't think this is.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: This is this benefits from any subsidies either, because it's
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: too expensive. So it really does make you wonder who
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: is going to be buying it and in what volumes
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: will they bring it into the country, because that'll be
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the other thing. I mean, we saw with the EV
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: six when that was launched, it was impossible to get one,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: So what is this going to be like in comparison.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: They did with the EV six. I quite enjoyed that car.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Well, they brought in a few, but you remember at
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the time there was like a two year waiting list.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: So they're now bringing in more of them, and Henda's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: bringing in more of their stuff as well.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, should we read some questions comments, Questions you've
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: got mel This is a good question. This comes from
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: shout out to Marty. Oh, this is from Marty who
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: does a podcast called the Jizz Podcast. And guess who
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I guess who was on it? Oh god, I know.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I thought we were going to be jizzing in a bucket,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: but there was none of that anyway. Shout out to Marty.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Marty says, why does Paul complain about tesla's but he
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: drives one? Please help? Oh okay, but I don't complain
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: about them. Let's talk about your content. This week was
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: just a photo of you looking unimpressed in the back
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of one, going ooh, the road is shooting the book
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: it is. I got into this going, oh, this will
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: be great.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I haven't been in the back of a Tesla before,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: and about a minute into it, I'm like, holy shit,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: this is terrible. There was no room in there and
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the ride was horrific.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I was in a Tesla here and it wasn't too bad.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: What sort of tesla was it? Model three? I don't know.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: This one was shit. So how old was yours? It
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: was just a Model three. They haven't really changed much.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: There's a new one coming that will hopefully fix the suspension,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: but it was horrendous.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I still think that Tesla Model three is one of
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the quieter out of all the evs, Like so many
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: evs are jump into and going, oh god, is a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: bit fucking noisy in here?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Still, like the new one actually has acoustic glass and
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: an additional sort of noise reduction.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So I think it's advertised it. There's a there's a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: great piece of advertising on their guess insta where the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: windows are down busy traffic, then they put the windows
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: up and it's as quiet as anything. And I mean
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: sure they probably I bet that's not Yeah, I bet
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that's not dufted. But but just on that, I'm not negative.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I just point out stuff that is shit about them,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: and just like every other car, there is stuff that's
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: shit about them. And I'm not one of those Tesla
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: fanboys that just thinks the cars are absolutely the best
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: thing ever, which is what a lot of owners do.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So clearly they don't like it. Tough titties. That's the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Pavla Report. Thanks for joining us on the program this afternoon.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: That's Pavla's opinions call us now coming up next to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the Gordon Program. Now, what really grinds your gar is.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I'd like to talk about Punt Road and that Montague
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Street bridge. Why does every fucking bastard just crush into
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that bridge? Okay, here's another question. Hydrogen. Oh okay, So
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: this person's asked a few questions. Yeah, okay, and it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: just literally pick one. Okay, hydrogen or EV for what
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: for a car? Well, I there's a rapid fire question.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Can stop stop EV because I can't fill the hydrogen anywhere.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: So that's that's an easy one. I'm going to go hydrogen,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: just to be where are you going to fill it?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I'll find places. I'll go to the Young Day headquarters
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and get them to bloody put it out. That's what
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I'll do. Sixty six Mustang or seventy Chevell? Probably the Mustang. Yeah,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: probably the Mustang. Good question though, by the way, this
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: comes from Ben Logan. Shout out to Ben Logan. Oh,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: this is a good one ninety two land cruiser with
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the LS one five liter Yeah, the old one, yeah,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: or the brand new one. The old one any day
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: of the week. The new one's boring. Agreed. When there's
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: a new episode in the works right now, yeah, as
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: we speak, literally going on we get a lot of
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: questions about merch, and I get updates from gas at
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Machines Plus and they are in the works. He sent
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: me T shirts. So we've sent the first batch of
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: merch out, so this second batch is in the works.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: And then once that arrives, look at that our mugs.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So yeah, once this batch is done, we will we
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: will make an announcement and get people some new merch,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: send it out. I'm wearing my driver's show T shirt
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: at the moment. I wore it at SeaWorld. He when
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I'm swimming with the dolphins?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Did you attract that was your majorash foundation thing? How
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: was that? How was did you swim with the dolphin?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I went to Seawell though, and it was ship Half
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: the stuff didn't work and the one ride I actually
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: got to go on without kids, which got finally got
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: to the front of the queue, sat down and it
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: broke down and there was a trainee running it and
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh, do.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: You want to just sit there or come back later.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm not going to sit here while
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: you fix this ride, and then it just sends me
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: off into space.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: No offense, mate, but like, yeah, no offense kid, But
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: it doesn't take a lot to work out. I don't
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: really want to be sitting on a broken ride at
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the Gold Coast because if track records anything to go by,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking out.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean there was actually just very very
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: side pointing, very quickly. There was a thing on the
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: news last night about how they're going to implement more
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: safety protocols for carnival ride operators, and it just makes
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: you wonder, how have there not been safety protocols so far?
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I just find that stuff bizarre. So anyway, see world, Yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: half the stuff didn't work. Would not recommend going.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: But even the dolphins were fucking working. Half the dolphins
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: were sitting on the sideline smoking nothing to damn, I'm
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: not fucking twisting my fucking body or ouf what. They're
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, I just made a dolphin say, like
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Louis the Fly, I'm gonna get out of here and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: show ma. She when I bushed out of here, Ma,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show the world. Meanwhile, your your side piece,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Donna was sitting there going, pamly, you want to say
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: a real paupose, Han, check this out. This is the fish.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: John West rejected, what's that next question. Meanwhile, you're like,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: oh my god, where's Donna gone? Oh? I know, follow
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the yellow drip road, Benny. He wanted to know about Rivian.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I was always interested to know how Rivian were going,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: as they looked great but seemed to be reliable. But
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: unluckily they'll get here, they might eventually.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Rivian's current business, or the money making business, is the
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: massive deal they struck with them on to supply electric
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: trucks for their delivery business. So I think that's where
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: they're probably focusing a lot of their efforts, plus delivering
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: all their customer cars before they sort of get into
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: right hand drive.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I need to catch a flight to India. Oh yeah,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: where are you landing, Chennai.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I'll be interested to see what the reception is like
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: when an Australian presents a passport after the World Cup.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I've heard did not go all that well, not that
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I followed quickly. Is that a sports thing? I think so?
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah apparently So anyway, I'll leave my bat and ball
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: at home. If you enjoy this and hang on, don't
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: wrap yet. I don't know about India. Are looking forward
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: to in India? Tell me before we get Indian food
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I love Indian food, so I've heard this and this
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: is a genuine thing. One of the countries on my
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: list is I would love to go to India. I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: have been months before. I love to spend some time there.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I reckon it be awesome. Food was amazing.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Some of the sites, like the taj Mahal when I
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: went the first time, was absolutely stunning.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Like I was blown away with that.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Like you literally walk through You're in a queue for
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: ages trying to get in and then you walk through
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: this sort of gate area and then all of a
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: sudden it's there in front of you and it is enormous.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: It is amazing. So I like to say it in
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: my laugh, just get through the gate. And then she
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: puts her spectacles on and she's like, oh, it's not
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: actually spectacles. What is this nineteen twenties? Didn't we just
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: put my machine eye glass? John? Yeah, India is awesome.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to that and I'll report back
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: on our next episode about how that went.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: My advice is, don't drink tap water, no unless you
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: want to lose twenty kilos. Hey, I might actually give that,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: give it a go. I think you should do some shots.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Do some shots come back, Skinny give the az epic arrest.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Just do a couple of shots of Indian bloody bathroom water. Yeah,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: that'll be fun.
• 46:50
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• 47:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so looking forward to getting old Cadoagus back
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: on the show. So I think we'll give that a
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: crack for the next episode.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Basically, the plan is he's going to dress up as
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Santa and True is going to come in and sit
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: on his knee and what he wants for Christmas. About
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the first thing that comes up, Yeah, I don't think
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Kdogan hasn't really come in a long time. I think
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: if he has, it's just dust. Thank you for listening, everyone,
• 48:03
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• 48:13
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• 48:21
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• 48:26
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• 48:28
  Speaker 2: This episode is going to be three minutes of actual
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: stuff and then half an hour of stuff we can't use.