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Killers Amongst Us: 19-year-old artistic beauty disappears after car found abandoned on bridge. What happened to Sarah Stern? (Part 1) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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  Speaker 1: the production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. We start today
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  Speaker 1: and the story of Sarah Stern, a beautiful teen girl
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  Speaker 1: who loses her mom after a fight with cancer and
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  Speaker 1: was trying to find her way in the world. She
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  Speaker 1: disappears from home without a trace, leaving behind so many
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  Speaker 1: questions and so few clues. You will hear from Sarah's dad, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: about his anguish learning his little girl is missing, and
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  Speaker 1: how the search for Sarah begins. You hear from a
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  Speaker 1: local reporter on the scene, Alex Epoliello, who covered Sarah's
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  Speaker 1: disappearance from day one. FBI special agent Bobby Chicone, and
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  Speaker 1: renowned Hollywood psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall weigh in with expert
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  Speaker 1: analysis on Sarah's appearance. We start at two forty five
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  Speaker 1: a m. The morning of December three, twenty sixteen. An
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  Speaker 1: abandoned car found on any Jersey Bridge bine one one
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  Speaker 1: where the emergency and not the emergency actually on the
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  Speaker 1: Belmar Bridge right after heading south in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the bridge, there's a car that abandoned. It's off at
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  Speaker 1: the side of the road. But the Belmark Bridge being
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  Speaker 1: the thirty five bridge. Yeah, the thirty five bridge would
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  Speaker 1: be going over then going from north going down. Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace killers unlist us. So what kind of carson? I
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  Speaker 1: kind of looked like an old beat up, light hand
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  Speaker 1: colored like to Dan, was there anybody inside the vehicle?
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  Speaker 1: I looked, now, okay, unless they were sleeping. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: see them by their head being up. Nobody. A light
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  Speaker 1: colored sedan parked on an obscure bridget is the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the story of the disappearance of a beautiful young girl,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Stern. But why there, why that bridge, and what,
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  Speaker 1: if anything does it mean. I'm Nancy Grace, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us today the mystery of Sarah Stearn's disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: But what do we know about Sarah? Alex Napoliello, Alex,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us crime and Court reporter
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  Speaker 1: for the NJA dot com and Star Ledger. I've watched
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  Speaker 1: the bodycam footage. I've I've listened to it very very
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  Speaker 1: carefully explained to me how the police were first alerted
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  Speaker 1: to this sedan part on the side of a bridge,
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  Speaker 1: and what time of the day was it and why
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  Speaker 1: was that so unusual? So police were called to the
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  Speaker 1: bridge shortly before three am on December third, in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. They were alerted to this car parked
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  Speaker 1: on the shoulder at the top of the Route thirty
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  Speaker 1: five bridge in Belmar buy a couple ride share drivers
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  Speaker 1: who were in the area. So it's important to note
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  Speaker 1: that that bridge at the base of the bridge is
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  Speaker 1: a popular nightclub called the Headliner. That bridge goes from
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  Speaker 1: Neptune Township into Belmar, so it's pretty well trafficked even
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  Speaker 1: at three am, So it wasn't uncommon for a ride
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  Speaker 1: share driver to be in that area and call it
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  Speaker 1: into police. Hold on, are you talking about an Uber?
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  Speaker 1: It was an Uber person. I believe that it was
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  Speaker 1: Uber and he was doing both Uber endless. And was
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  Speaker 1: it the driver? I thought it was the driver, not
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  Speaker 1: someone who was actually ride sharing. It was the driver, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the ride share driver, you know. To FBI Special Agent
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  Speaker 1: Bobby's account. First of all, as I always told Jerry's
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  Speaker 1: nothing good happens after midnight period. Okay, let's just start
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  Speaker 1: with that. But it doesn't affect me one way or
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  Speaker 1: the other, other than me trying to establish a timeline
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  Speaker 1: that they first spotted this tan sedan, this light colored
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  Speaker 1: sedan on the side of the bridge at three am.
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  Speaker 1: That does not mean to me that that's when it
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  Speaker 1: was parked there by any means, Oh no, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's even if it's heavily trafficked. You'd be
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  Speaker 1: surprised to how many people don't report cars on the
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  Speaker 1: side of the road. It's become a pretty routine occurrence.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I probably see it every day on my commute,
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  Speaker 1: So you don't always have a proper timing of when
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  Speaker 1: that car was left simply by the reporting of the car.
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  Speaker 1: It does it does. It is somewhat dependent on the
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  Speaker 1: time of day. But but if three am is a
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  Speaker 1: heavily traffic time, then you may you may not have Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what alternate universe you're living in, but
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  Speaker 1: three am out on an obscure bridge I do not
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  Speaker 1: think would be heavily traffic, which leads me to another point.
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone with me Alex Napole Yellow Crime and Court
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  Speaker 1: Report for the NJA dot Com and Star Ledger, and
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone FBI special Agent. That that leads me to
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  Speaker 1: another point. I find this bridge based on all my
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  Speaker 1: research to be fairly obscure, I mean in the big
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  Speaker 1: scheme of things. And I noticed on the original nine
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  Speaker 1: one one call, which we're going to play for you shortly,
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  Speaker 1: even the cops we're not sure which bridge they're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And when you say it could be a I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it was a highly traffic time. Let's just rephrase.
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  Speaker 1: Here is December three, that's Saturday at three am in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. Now, the few times I'm out on the
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  Speaker 1: highway at that time of the morning, it's still dark
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  Speaker 1: and nobody's on the road. Bobby Chicom, what are you
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  Speaker 1: talking about. Well, Alex just described it as a as
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  Speaker 1: a heavily trafficked bridge in a you know, in an
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  Speaker 1: area where people do you use that bridge? I'm not
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  Speaker 1: I would have to determine how obscure or not obscure
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  Speaker 1: the bridge would be. But you do start making those
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  Speaker 1: kinds of judgments on what the chances are that the
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  Speaker 1: reporting of the missing car approximates when it was actually abandoned,
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  Speaker 1: and so you do factor in our traffic patterns, and
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  Speaker 1: local authorities would obviously be very familiar with those local
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  Speaker 1: traffic patterns. Well, that lays me to another issue. Alex
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  Speaker 1: did jointing me Crime and Court reporter Jay dot Com
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  Speaker 1: and Star Ledger Alex, I don't believe that the car
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  Speaker 1: was actually reported missing. If it hadn't been for this
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  Speaker 1: Uber driver driving along and seeing it, it would not
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  Speaker 1: have been reported. I mean, did anybody report it stolen? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: no one reported the vehicle stolen. And you know, whether
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  Speaker 1: or not we know if that vehicle would have been reported,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. But an Uber driver found it unusual
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  Speaker 1: enough that he did report it. And when he reported
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  Speaker 1: it was just as a disabled vehicle. He didn't believe
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  Speaker 1: at that moment that there was anything suspicious in nature.
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  Speaker 1: And just to go back to some earlier points, this bridge,
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  Speaker 1: it's the Route thirty five bridge. The reason there was
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  Speaker 1: some confusion was because over the Shark River where that
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  Speaker 1: bridge runs over that body of water, there are three
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  Speaker 1: bridges in that area. There's one bridge over Ocean Avenue
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  Speaker 1: along the beach, there's another bridge called commonly referred to
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  Speaker 1: as the Belmar Bridge, and then there's the Root thirty
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  Speaker 1: five bridge. So those names often do get confused. So
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  Speaker 1: how does this compare. I mean, is there a lot
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  Speaker 1: of traffic? Is there a lot of traffic there at
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  Speaker 1: three am. I don't think there's a lot of traffic
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  Speaker 1: at three am. The bar that I mentioned earlier, the
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  Speaker 1: Headliner club in Neptune gets out at two am, so
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  Speaker 1: I guess you have some trickle, some people trickling out
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  Speaker 1: still at three am and hopping in cabs and ubers
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  Speaker 1: to head home for the evening early morning. But no,
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  Speaker 1: I mean at three am. I wouldn't say it's it's
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  Speaker 1: get more traffic than it would middle of the day. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: I started Tello one nine er. I'm tanning. Do you
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  Speaker 1: see if we have any contact info for the r
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  Speaker 1: O trying to give me to doctor Bethany Marshall joining
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  Speaker 1: me psycho analyst out of California at doctor Bethany Marshall
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Dotor Bethany, you know Chicon's right. I passed
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  Speaker 1: abandoned cars on the side of the road all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and I typically will call on nine one if I
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  Speaker 1: see there's a crash and people are standing around or
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  Speaker 1: somebody standing by their car. But if I just see
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  Speaker 1: an abandoned car, are I don't think anything of it.
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  Speaker 1: I think they've run out of gas or they had
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  Speaker 1: a flat tire and they've gone to get help. I
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  Speaker 1: would not report it. Why, Nancy. It depends on the bridge.
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  Speaker 1: We have two bridges here in California, the Golden State
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  Speaker 1: Bridge and then there's a very famous bridge as you
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  Speaker 1: drive into Pasadena where one of my offices is located,
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  Speaker 1: and those bridges are notorious for people committing suicide. So
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  Speaker 1: if you were going over one of those bridges, you
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  Speaker 1: might report. But now this seems to be a very
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  Speaker 1: rural area, one nightclub nearby, people ride sharing going back
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  Speaker 1: and forth. It seems like perhaps it was an older
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  Speaker 1: car in this case, I don't think anybody would report.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason people do not report, Nancy, is that
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  Speaker 1: they think that they've made it up. They think that
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  Speaker 1: they're overreacting. And often people underreport all kinds of crimes
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  Speaker 1: and mysterious happenings because they don't want to get an
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  Speaker 1: other person in trouble. We see this with underreporting of
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence and child abuse. And I would imagine it
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  Speaker 1: would be seem with an abandoned sedan on a bridge
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  Speaker 1: that you feel like you're going to look foolish, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe there's a homeless person in there that couldn't have
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  Speaker 1: you afford a hotel or another place to spend the night.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't want to alert the police and get
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  Speaker 1: somebody into trouble unnecessarily. So what do we do now,
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone? This the police can't ignore. They've gotten a
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  Speaker 1: call from a new Bord driver. Here's the car. They
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  Speaker 1: make their way after much confusion to the correct bridge
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  Speaker 1: and what happens then, Bobby? What do you do with
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  Speaker 1: an abandoned cars? What is sop for cops? Well, the
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  Speaker 1: first thing they do is run the license plate. If
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  Speaker 1: they have a license plate on the car, see who
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  Speaker 1: the registered owner of the car is. See if you
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  Speaker 1: can make contact with that registered owner. If there's not
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  Speaker 1: a license plate on the car, you can run the
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  Speaker 1: VIN number which is visible from the windshield. You run
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  Speaker 1: the VIN number. That could also lead you to the
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  Speaker 1: registered owner. Which I want to do is find out
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  Speaker 1: who who the registered owner is and then who had
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  Speaker 1: less possession of the vehicle. They could have barred it, it
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  Speaker 1: it could have been leant out, whatever, whatever the status
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  Speaker 1: of that vehicle is. You have to start with the
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  Speaker 1: registered owner of the vehicle. And so you do that.
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  Speaker 1: You try to determine that either through the election play
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  Speaker 1: or with a VIN number, the registration of the car.
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  Speaker 1: They find the VN registration. That means they can find
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  Speaker 1: out the owner of the car. A V I N
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  Speaker 1: is a number that's on your car. It's like a fingerprint.
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  Speaker 1: Every car has their own VIN number V I N.
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  Speaker 1: No car will have the same one. When you go
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  Speaker 1: to a shop shop where you're dealing with stolen cars,
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  Speaker 1: they scratch out the VIN number. It's very difficult to
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  Speaker 1: do on a car. It's it's it's welded in there.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to get it off. They track the VIN
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  Speaker 1: or they track the tag number, and then they find
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  Speaker 1: out who owns the car. Alex Napoliello explain to me
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  Speaker 1: what was unusual about the car. Did they automatically know
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  Speaker 1: that the car was not just a band? And what
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  Speaker 1: was found in the car and what deductions do you make?
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  Speaker 1: So police arrive at the bridge behind. They pull up
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  Speaker 1: behind the vehicle. The officer walks up to the driver's
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  Speaker 1: side of the vehicle, shines the slashlight intough the vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: sees the keys still inside the vehicle, but sees nothing else.
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  Speaker 1: There's no one around there. They run the registration, they
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  Speaker 1: run the VIN number. They find out that the car
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  Speaker 1: is registered to a Lilian Stern. Lilian Stern is Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Stern's grandmother. They also learned that Lilian doesn't drive this
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  Speaker 1: car anymore, that she had given it to Sarah, and
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  Speaker 1: Sarah was the one who typically drove the vehicle, so
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  Speaker 1: the car. The officer gets back to his car, calls dispatch,
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  Speaker 1: and shortly thereafter, thinking that there was nothing suspicious with
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  Speaker 1: this vehicle, he calls it to be towed from the scene,
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  Speaker 1: and then radio's other officers to respond to this Stern
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  Speaker 1: residence in Neptune City. Now, isn't it true that the
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  Speaker 1: keys were in the car? Is that right, Bobby Chicon?
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  Speaker 1: And what do you deduce from that? Yeah, well, if
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  Speaker 1: I saw the keys in the car, I would automatically
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  Speaker 1: think that, you know, there's something suspicious about it, because
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  Speaker 1: if the car was broken down, most people leave if
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  Speaker 1: they have a flat tire, if they're out of gas. No,
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  Speaker 1: they'll secure their vehicle before they walk off to get assistance.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, most people would simply call Triple A or
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  Speaker 1: another vehicle repair service. But once I saw the keys
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  Speaker 1: in the car, I would not probably have that car
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  Speaker 1: touched until we could do some kind of forensic exam
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  Speaker 1: on the car. If the keys are in it, it
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  Speaker 1: just raises the level of concern for me to think
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  Speaker 1: that somebody who abandoned their car, simply walked away from
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  Speaker 1: that car on their own, would leave their keys in
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  Speaker 1: their car. It's just not a common occurrence, and so
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  Speaker 1: I would it would ratchet up my concern about what's
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  Speaker 1: going on with this vehicle. So I would start taking
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  Speaker 1: a look around the vehicle, on the floor, on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: around the vehicle, and then I would start thinking about,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we need to process this because remember our crimes,
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  Speaker 1: if it is intact a crime scene, we have to
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  Speaker 1: You lose anything if you if you step past that process,
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  Speaker 1: So you have to be very cautious about how you proceed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, you just kind of glossed over that. When
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  Speaker 1: you say you lose anything, if you gloss over the process.
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  Speaker 1: What I take that to mean is you look, you
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  Speaker 1: don't destroy any potential evidence in the car, such as fingerprints, fluids, hair, fiber,
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  Speaker 1: all of that remains in the car. So while you
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  Speaker 1: look in the car, you see the keys are in there.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to be very very careful about, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: taking the keys out of the ignition, looking in the trunk.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to destroy any potential evidence. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at twenty twenty. This is a
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  Speaker 1: small town. Word travels fast. The cops know obviously a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people in this small town. They have a
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  Speaker 1: car parked on a bridge and they quickly find out
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  Speaker 1: it's normally driven by a nineteen year old by the
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  Speaker 1: name of Sarah Stern. Phone rang around three o'clock in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. Do you know anything about a the car?
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  Speaker 1: You know, gray Oldsmobile? And I said, yeah, my daughter
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  Speaker 1: drives that car. A million things go through your mind.
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  Speaker 1: You were in Florida. Yeah, we drove from Florida back
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  Speaker 1: to New Jersey three thirty four o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Is no traffic, so you can drive pretty quick. Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Stern was very well known through the community. To fact
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  Speaker 1: that her family was very well known and Sarah was
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  Speaker 1: a kid that everybody knew, she was always around kind
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  Speaker 1: of threw everybody off with that car just being left
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  Speaker 1: at the top of that bridge with as to why
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  Speaker 1: no one knew where Sarah was and they didn't know
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  Speaker 1: why they couldn't get in touch with her. She was
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  Speaker 1: attached to her phone like most nineteen year olds are
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  Speaker 1: and there would be no reason for why her phone
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  Speaker 1: was off and she wasn't taking calls, taking text messages
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  Speaker 1: on a Friday night, no answer on her phone. Police
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  Speaker 1: then immediately started investigating, and this becomes not just an
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  Speaker 1: abandoned car on a bridge, but a missing person. There's
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  Speaker 1: this nineteen year old girl who has gone off the
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  Speaker 1: grid and no one knows why. Joining me now a
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  Speaker 1: very special guest, Michael Stern. This is Sarah's dad, Michael.
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  Speaker 1: Why were you in Florida that night of all nights? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I was on vacation for a down at the Disney World.
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  Speaker 1: Do you recall that phone call when you learned the
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  Speaker 1: car was missing and what went through your head? Well,
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning when the call came in, and I've
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  Speaker 1: explained this a few times, but the call came from
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  Speaker 1: the what appeared to be the Mama's County Sheriff's department,
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  Speaker 1: and it was, you know, it wakened out of a sleep,
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  Speaker 1: and the call was kind of a high pitched voice
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  Speaker 1: and it was a little um it almost sounded like
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  Speaker 1: a prank call at the beginning, and they just stanced.
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  Speaker 1: They said that Mama's County Sheriff's department were inquiring about
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  Speaker 1: a car drive you know, an aldimopial, and I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my daughter drives that car, and then the call hung up.
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  Speaker 1: So I called it back and I could see on
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  Speaker 1: my caller ID that you know in the answered it
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  Speaker 1: was the the Sheriff's department, except I got a recording
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  Speaker 1: that said that the hours are from nine am to
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  Speaker 1: five pm and call back or leave a message. So
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  Speaker 1: right there I knew it was you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: called from an official phone, but didn't have any details.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's how the whole thing started. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't been able to get in touch with Sarah,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, I thought something at that point might
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  Speaker 1: be wrong. How long had you been trying to reach her?
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  Speaker 1: From about ten thirty the evening before, so that would
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  Speaker 1: have been Friday night going into Saturday morning. And is
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  Speaker 1: that normal for her to go that long without you
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  Speaker 1: talking to her? No, not necessarily, but it wasn't unusual
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  Speaker 1: because she had been away the week before. She was
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  Speaker 1: in Florida the week before with her cousins and aunts
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. So I had left the day after she
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  Speaker 1: came back, which was blast Friday. I picked her up
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  Speaker 1: to the airport, and then the following morning, I left
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  Speaker 1: for Florida, driving at about five thirty am. So I
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  Speaker 1: only been in touch with you know, talked to her
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  Speaker 1: that day and I think goodbye to her that morning,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, talked to her during the week, but
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  Speaker 1: nothing seemed unusual at that point. What were her spirits
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  Speaker 1: like that week when you talk to her while you
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  Speaker 1: were on vacation for a week. She had been on
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  Speaker 1: vacation for a week. Let me understand that she's in
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  Speaker 1: Florida for a week with relatives, friends, she comes back,
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  Speaker 1: you pick her up the airport, You pretty much leave
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  Speaker 1: shortly after that to go to Florida yourself, and you
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  Speaker 1: are in touch every day by phone. Yeah, either you know,
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  Speaker 1: on the telephone with the boys four tax right right? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So that evening you started trying to contact her around
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  Speaker 1: ten thirty pm, which would have been I guess a
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  Speaker 1: Friday night. Okay, let me go back just a little.
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  Speaker 1: My Sarah's grandma and my mother had called me and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: said she hadn't been able to get in touch with
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Sarah all day and she was staying at my sister's
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: house because she was recovering from being in the hospital,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: so she was over there for ten or twelve days
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to recover, so she wasn't home. And you know, she
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: talked to Sarah every day, and she had seen Sarah
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: during the week, but she said she haven't been able
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to get in touch with her. So I said, well,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: it's Friday night at ten thirty. You know, she's either sleeping,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: or she's out, or her phones died or something and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: she's charging it. Sarah always had things going on to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in like twenty four hours a day, so she'd be
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: up at four o'clock in the morning talking to people
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: in Australia or London or California. So okay, wait, wait,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: wait wait, I just got to ask you. It's neither
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: here nor there. But why as Sarah up at four
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning talking to people in Australia. Well,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: they were friends. They were her YouTube and internet friends
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: that she had met at VidCon, Buffer, Fast Book Con,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Comic Con. Okay, wait wait, wait wait wait, I'm learning
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: what tell me about all the cons she went to.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I just went to Comic Con and took the children.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: We had the best time. But what were the other
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: cons you you went? She went to well VidCon, which
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: you know is in I guess in different places. I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: don't know. There was California, Anaheim, a couple of times,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: New York, Toronto, so she was kind of jumping around
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: all over the place. Along with going to the people
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: she liked, Grace Helbig and Jenna Marbles and Hannah Heart
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: autograph parties and things like that that they would have
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a bookstores, signing and stuff. So she was into the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: very heavily into internet, YouTube and you know the social media. Okay, wait,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I just had to actually look up vidcom and my son,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: who's the tech in this house? I mean, Michael, you
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: would laugh so hard. Bethany and Bobby you already know this. Alex.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I have twins boy girl, John, David and Lucy. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: once and it's my fault because I won't take the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: time to learn how to make the TV or the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: remote or anything else technical work. I'm like, guys, I'll
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: handle the legal business. You handle the TV and the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: remote control. Can you do that? And they're like yes.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Whenever there's any tech related event or incident, I call
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: now my eleven year old son. He's like a monkey.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: You give him the device whatever it may be and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: he finds the answer. So I'm looking this up. He
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: would be so disappointed that I didn't know what this is.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Celebrate online video with your friends, meet your favorite creators,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: have the time of your life, create better content, grow
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: your channel, break into the industry, meet fellow creators. Wow. Okay,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: so I'm learning all about what this is VidCon, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I guess everyone, all the YouTubers, all the TikTokers, all
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of them show up at vidcan So do I have
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: an understanding of what VidCon is? Michael Stern, Yes, that's
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: exactly the way. It kind of an international national media
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: thing where it could be local or a distant And
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Sarah had friends in Australia, London. Oh yeah, I'm looking
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: at it right now. Australia London are the ones they mentioned.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: So she's all over the map. Now you mentioned another
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: thing she liked to go to. What was that started
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: with a bee as in brother? Well, let's see there
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: was a buffer fest, which is another internet what's that?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: But I guess I'm gonna have to look that up too.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Don't don't judge me. Did you say buffer fast? Buffer Fest? Yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that's a you know when sometimes when you're downloading a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: program or a video or something. It buffers, you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: just you see the little circle going around. Well, Buffer
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Fest was kind of a takeoff on that thing where
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: it was an Internet thing where you just learned about
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the different things that were going on in I looked
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it up. I had to look everything up. Buffer Festival
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: is a four day theatrical showcase of theatrical screenings that
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: celebrates video premiers from acclaimed digital creators. Okay, yep, that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: says annually in Toronto or Ontario. Okay, so she's all
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: about digital and see. Well, the reason I'm curious about
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: this Michael Stern and I'm going to get back to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: her car being found is Bobby, you can't help me
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: out here. I need everybody on this. The bigger her
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: circle is, okay, the more people we've got to look
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: at that may know where she is or what happened
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to her, see what I mean. So it's not no
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: longer just let's go at the next door neighbor. It's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: let's go on her all of her devices, her phone,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: her laptop, her desktop, her iPad, and who is she
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: talking to? Who are her best friends online? She's heavily,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: heavily involved in and in a fun, fun, good way
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: in creating video content. Bobby Chicon, I mean that's a
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: little overwhelming for an investigator because there's so many directions
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: in which to go looking for information about where is Sarah?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Do I have to go to Vican and Buffer Fest?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, it really does. It's created in a complete
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: new way of having to investigate these cases that wasn't
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: in existence when I started in this business. And and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so you always look at the world of the missing person,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the world of whoever you're looking at. And while the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Internet has made the world such a smaller place in
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: one way, it's now completely made the you know, the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: pool of people you have to look at and investigate
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: much much lawger for investigators. Where is Sarah Stern? Nancy
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Grace signing off good night,