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LONDON CALLING EP4 [PRE-RACE]: Ran To Japan, Jake Smith & Tim Vincent · Easy Double podcast

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Yeah, lace them up another way, another easy double.
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Yeah, from the track to the rodeo.
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We talk that talk splits on the watch, but we still take the
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Mick. Dean in Perth with the long run,
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legs going, breaks the fire when the session gets thick.
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Ryan in the mix with the numbers and plans from every sauce, the
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medals. Yeah, we break it all down.
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Hard graft Monday, left about a Sunday.
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Hello and welcome back to the penultimate episode of London
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Colon, or should I now say Yamagata Colon?
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I am. I am joined by the three
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fabulous guests who've been with us all the way, Tim Vincent,
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Jake Smith and Jake Barraclough. And it's the final record pre
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London Marathon. It's race week, we're 4 sleeps
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away. It's closing in how we're doing.
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Thanks for finding time in the final days.
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Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's all come around
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pretty quick. I was sinking this week, fellas.
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It's probably been, I don't know, two weeks since we've
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recorded. I've kind of missed our little
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sessions. I feel like we've got to know
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each other a little bit and it's been a bit of fun.
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And I don't know all our other recordings.
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The race is just looming but not there.
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And yeah, it just feels like it's all come pretty quick.
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Now it's real, Yeah. Absolutely.
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How are you guys doing? Yeah, really good.
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No, I just want, like you said before this, I just want to race
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now. I'm yeah, getting there Friday
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now doing a little photo shoot with chapter guy in Camorra.
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So I'll be sending some videos in and photos.
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I'm probably the only white guy they've ever had in that photo
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shoot, but it'd be good fun. And then when it when it when
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I'm there, I think I'll take it. I'm trying to like really relax
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and like I'm going for like a dog walk and just naps.
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They're running. I'm watching the boys.
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Have you seen The Boys on Prime the TV show?
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No of it, because we've shout out Georgia Griffith.
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She's still got her account logged in on our TV here.
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So like we scrolled past it but yeah, haven't watched it.
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It's been up, I must say. Yeah, just watching that and
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just chilling out, really. Have you seen the At Home with
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the Furies? I've been watching that
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recently. He's so funny.
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I've seen some clips, they keep going off on social media.
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Yeah, he's hilarious. The whole family seems mental.
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Great fun. Yeah, it stresses me out just
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watching it, like I could not survive in a household like
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that. Jake, how are you feeling
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sitting there quietly in the background?
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What's going on over in Japan? I had to wait for a second.
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I wasn't sure when you said Jake who was being directed to, but
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I'm good, I'm good. I'm just warming up for the main
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event on Monday. Obviously we know London's the
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prelims and then we've got the real global event taking place.
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So I'm glad you gave the Yamagata Accu Dennis full glory
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in the new title. Give us a bit of a summary then.
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How does the event work? What have you got in store?
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So it's a three day echidom race, relay race goes across
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this whole prefecture. So it's a bit like, I guess like
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you've got counties back home or maybe like a state in Australia.
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This is all the different kind of areas competing against each
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other in the Yamagata prefix. Yes.
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It's just what I've moved up north to and jumping in with a
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local team defending champs and we've got to come back, deliver
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the goods. It's it's not the whole thing's
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like televised, it's in all the newspapers and stuff on the
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radio. They yeah, they really love it
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here. So should be good fun getting
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stuck in there. A nice backup to have after
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London didn't quite go to plan. And are they aware of your
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presence? Are you, are you known up there?
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Or are you just a random pale guy who's going to be on the
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start line? They'll be confused.
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The team's been keeping under wraps the the the secret quite
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mad. I think they'll probably realise
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quite quickly on the start line that I don't quite fit in there.
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But yeah, it's pretty good vibes.
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It's each leg, just completely random distances.
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It's quite good in right now. Like yeah, my shape's not
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exactly in its its best position, but it's quite nice.
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I can just absolutely RIP it. Brutal courses, like crazy up
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and down hills and stuff. And it's more you're just
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fighting for position, trying to catch the guys in front, not let
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the guys behind catch up with you.
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It's yeah, I think Echidan's great.
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It basically turns a solo sport into a team one.
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It's like you've got all the locals coming out and all these
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areas, like all the each town's coming out on the streets to
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support all the banners and all that cheering for their local
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team. Bit like, yeah, football teams
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back home. It's it's pretty cool how
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they've done that with running. So will you run every day or you
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just like you run one of the days?
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I'm running two of three days, you get 1 little recovery day in
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between and I'm back again. I've got yeah, the longest leg
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of the day, though on the first one it's like 20 K, So I don't
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know how I'm going to pull up after that because yeah, at the
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moment, even in training, anything passed about 10K and my
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body just checks out. It's like that seems to be the
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limit right now, so it could be a yeah, bit of a painful leg on
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day one, but hope you survive that rest day and then come back
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again for a slightly short one on the. 3rd and then is it point
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to point? So it's like a travelling circus
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once you've run the like, jump in a bus and follow the rest of
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the race or something. Exactly.
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All the way from the top of the prefecture to the bottom,
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staying in like hotels along the way.
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You've got, yeah, all the different support crew, the team
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fast, all of that should be good fun.
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Sounds exciting. Will you, your translator be
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with you? Of at the moment I'm having to
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self translate, which makes a struggle.
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No one on the team speaks a word of English and there's a whole
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lot of documents and all this stuff.
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So if I even make the the right leg at the right time, that
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would be the biggest success that that's honestly what I'm
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worried about. I might miss the start or go to
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the wrong place. It's very exciting.
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Well, with if you were to miss a marathon start line, normally
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something so big as London you would be tearing your hair out
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and be devastated. But it's nice that you can pivot
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into this and not have the travelling across the world
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elements. Yeah, yeah, saves exactly on the
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jet lag next year. Or I thought, though, with
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London, ever since they announced me as Jack Barraclav
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on the official elite entry, I thought they're just not on it.
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They're not worth my appearance, but we'll wait till next year,
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maybe see if we can redeem it. But yeah, I'm excited to watch
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and yeah, cheer the boys along from here.
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Sounds like it's going to be a pretty good battle I reckon
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between you 2, both coming through in outrageous shape.
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Yeah, we'll, we'll get to it. I wanted to say, Tim, you raced
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it. I think it's been that long
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since we recorded. You had your 10K over in Leo,
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didn't you? Do you want to give us your
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thoughts on that? What was the experience?
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You're absolutely spot on. It has been that long and that
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feels a while we're going now, honestly, craziest race for the
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listeners who may not know, I'm sure these guys do.
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We got 54th running 2850, I believe.
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And even the deaths of like the pro women's field, like I caught
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the pro women's winner. We started together at 7 1/2
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kilometres. So just the sheer depths of this
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race was insane, and in hindsight, like I knew I was
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going to be tied on marathon legs and whatnot and it's still
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a PB for me so I was pretty happy with how I executed it.
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But man, just a number of runners on one Rd. so
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aggressive. It like I know it's not that
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quick for like people running 10 KS, but that I felt like I was
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sprinting the whole time and then you get like elbowed and
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shouldered and whatnot. So bit of fun, but I just had no
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rhythm the whole time. Like even going around like 6K
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you're still getting pushed and stuff.
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So a good laugh and as I said, a PB so I can't turn my nose up
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too much at it. I think last time we spoke I
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didn't put a time on it, but the time I had in my head was, yeah,
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I would have liked to be about 20 seconds quicker on a
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different day. The atmosphere looked insane the
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way it like closed in on the road there.
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Yeah, so the 5K that Jimmy Gracia won was like after the
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10K by like 2 1/2 hours. So most of the town, it seemed
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like, did the 10K, pardon me. And then once we'd all finished,
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the roads are cleared and they kind of like cordon off a
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different section of course, as the 5K just stays through the
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streets. And I guess all the 10K runners
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then, which is like majority of the thousands actually just kind
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of hang around the area and line the streets.
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And it was like the French kind of cycling races or back home,
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we've got barricades at our Rd. races.
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So you actually just can't go on the road.
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Whereas like Jimmy Gracie was not even 100 meters away and
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there is nowhere for him to run. And the crowd just like parts.
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It was honestly nuts like me. And dudes were standing on the
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side of the road like someone's going to get hurt here.
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And you just hear sirens and beeping and yeah, that's coming
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down the road at 2:30 pace. So is that a half marathon and
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A10 KPB for you in this block? Yes.
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Yeah, not a bad way to prepare. Yeah, definitely.
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Like regardless how the weekend goes like this, I guess few
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months of the year of, I've definitely made progress and I'm
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proud of that. Like of course the cherry on top
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would be the marathon, but big picture in the yeah, going up
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right areas. Yeah, well, congratulations and
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the all the travel went smooth and stuff, the experience of
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getting out there, there was no random bus or flight incidents.
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It was more on the way back. We were right getting there so
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it was fine with all the performance side of things.
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But it was Easter weekend, what's the race?
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Not Rue Bay, that was a week after 2-2 Flanders was on.
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So it was just like, usually it'll be the one hour Eurostar
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train from London to Lille, but we had to fly to Brussels, get a
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train, and then there were rail buses in France because they're
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rather striking or something over the Easter weekend.
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So like we got there and whatnot, but usually a lot
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cheaper and a lot faster when it's not Easter and there's no
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cycling. Yes, we, and it's a nice way to
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like we talked about with Jake and his half marathons to break
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up the block and like just switch focus from just thinking
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about like 10 weeks down the line constantly.
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It just almost slows time down, doesn't it?
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You've got like many little breaks along the way.
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I'm really glad. Look, I had that.
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It was probably split up, I think.
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So I had three weeks after the half, three or four and then
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three or four weeks here. And in that sense, I like, I
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think the half like was really good, but I don't actually like
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going into races having almost like an inflated result.
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Like it is your best result. But you know, like cool, that's
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as good as it can get. And sometimes I find if if you
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shoot there again and you're only here, you can actually
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cause yourself to blow up. So I in a sense, like having
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that 10K, like even though it was all right, but I think
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having an all right day was, it reminds me to probably be a bit
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more sensible in London because you don't know until you get out
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there really what you're working with.
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Whereas like had a shot after, again, I'll tell you what, I
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probably would have shot a bit higher and yeah, things could
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potentially blow up. To to talk about training now,
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because all the hard work is done.
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Isn't it like literally 4 sleeps away?
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Is there a single? Obviously a block is a period of
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time where it's days on days and weeks on weeks.
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There's no single session which like makes or breaks it.
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But are there any, when you look back now, sessions where it kind
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of gave you massive confidence or session which didn't go so
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well, Nick, like doused what you thought you might be capable of.
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And this is a question for everyone.
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The, I think I covered it on here, the three by 7 K was
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probably the best 1 I had. I had one since we last spoke,
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which was about 40K running. It was 60 minute easy jog.
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I wouldn't say easy jog, it's not the right word.
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We were like 340 to 3:45, so just that kind of in between.
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Then we went into 9 kilometers. I'm going to try and get this
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right threshold K float 20 minutes or one minute on one
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minute off K float 5K pretty hard.
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And I pulled it after the one like I got 1K into the 5K and
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called it because I was just like, I've, I think I've I'll
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run my marathon if I finish this.
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So that's probably 1 where I might have lost a bit of
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confidence. But in All in all, I've never
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run a marathon block where I've nailed every session.
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So that's I'm not too worried about that either.
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It's nice that you can have that.
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You can look at it with that understanding though and not
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completely shit yourself and panic like or sessions gone race
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has gone type of thing. Yeah, I think we always walk
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like all of us, such a fine line anyway.
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And you've got lifestyle stresses, you've got all this
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other stuff, even just fatigue in itself, like you're never
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going to do everything perfectly.
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And I think having those sessions is almost good race
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practice in itself, on you go through the pain, in the
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torment, if you like, a little bit.
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And I felt like I'd seen that enough at that session.
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And I was like 4 formal K. This is, let's say that for
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London. Very good.
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The Jake Smith, you sat there like a bit of a caged animal.
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I can tell that you just rearing to go, but you're keeping a lid
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on it. What does the rest of the week
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look like between now and Sunday?
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Like when do you head down to the race hotel and stuff like
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that? I'm.
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Going to Katie's parents house because they live basically
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Stone and Jerry X with to drop the dog off tomorrow because he
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is no one else can look after him.
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So then Friday morning have to get out early 8:00 AM train to
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get to the elite hotel. Staying two nights because I
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need to do some like I mentioned before some like photo shoots,
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which is going to be quite funny and the new kit and stuff.
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So right now I'm going into this race.
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I don't have my race shoes. I don't have the shorts, I don't
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have the gels. I don't I don't have actually
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anything going into this race on me right now and so I'm hoping
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it's all there. Yeah just yeah, I'm ready I'm
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ready. That's like I feel like this box
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been good and like Tim said like.
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I think I was like comparing my sessions to last year, like I do
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lactates a lot and I've actually trained a lot easier this year
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and seen a bigger improvement. So like in the evenings for
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those people who use lactates, my lactate was used to be like
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four or five when I was doing double session days, whereas
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this year it's been maximum 3.8 on one or two sessions and
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everything else had been below 3.
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I've been able to just improve, improve, improve.
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Yeah, it's it's good. It's been, it's been good.
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But I'm just, yeah, I just did my last like I always do this
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like 10 miles sort of steady tempo session with studies in
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it. So the actual works.
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I'm not 5 or 7 K, but I always go into race needing I think a
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bit more than some people. But now it's just jogging in and
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I have a plan. I'm more than happy to say what
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my plan is. Spoke to Andy Jones and Gab
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yesterday. I won't go off it and we'll just
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see what happens on the day. Is the the media stuff you're
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doing, is that for Nike and the team or have you got stuff to do
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for like London Marathon and no, no as.
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Well, no, not nothing on the I'm not I'm not that good yet.
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I'm not that. It'll be like Paddy Mohammed,
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Mohammed Phil, you have to you have to run a 206 just to get
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there really. But now this is like, have you
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seen like DSM have posted like before boss and stuff?
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It was like Abti and Mohammed were like standing there with
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wearing the kit, the new kit. It's just to show off the new
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kit. So that's what I'm doing with
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the guys racing, nothing to do with London.
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And then and hopefully see Tim on the Friday.
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You getting on the Friday? Yeah.
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I'll be there Friday and then I shouldn't be so concerned about
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this, but I am. You said two nights.
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Will you be around Sunday afterwards?
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Yeah, I'm saying I have to stay. Yes, wait.
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Yeah, I have. To stay awesome.
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Because I could do this Nike, this thing with sports, using
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Nike on the Monday, Nike holding up me in another hotel.
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So I will be there the whole of Sunday as well.
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Yeah, easy. Looking forward to it.
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Look forward to more after the race and the race but.
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You'll be a little dusty on Monday.
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Yeah, I need to make sure I'm like not too like if I do get
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the time I need to make sure I'm not too battered because after
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probably be quite good going to a Nike, Nike thing.
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What else have we got? Oh yeah.
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So the carb load as well. Like how like serious are you
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guys with the carb load, the measure stuff or do you just
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pretty much go for it And what is kind of you go to with those
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foods when you get the free rein?
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Well, so I don't my coach actually spoke to me about this.
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He doesn't want me to think about car.
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I never really think about carb loading.
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And I know a lot of people measure and stuff and I'm like
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that that's fine. But I'm not a big fan of that.
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I don't really think you need to know as in like measure, not
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like you still need to eat more and stuff.
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But my coach base said because a reduction in training, he said
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your body knows what it's useful.
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Used to anyway, we do all these sessions, all these training
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sessions on the food. All I do is when I'm up there on
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the Friday, like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, you know, just
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have a bit bit more rice, bit more pasta, whatever, take away
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some sort of veg. He said no curries, nothing
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chili based on Friday and Saturday.
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But yeah, I think a lot of people do.
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I've spoken to a lot of people do like they do it was it like
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1010 kilos knows it 10 times your body weight in carbs you
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should have or something, but it's just it's just one of
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those. It's just like we train all
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through this. I bought it because the more
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it's almost if you eat too much and your body's not used to it
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could almost affect you as well. But I don't really know.
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I don't I don't think about it. I just take out which is worse
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thing. I take out soft drinks.
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I go into beetroot juice for the week, which is it's actually all
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right and just a lot of pasta and rice and fried and Sally.
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Oh, I want to ask a question on the start line.
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I reckon I now have I know I am all for like not talk about
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waiting so but I think I have biggest BMI going into that race
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in the professionals. I don't think anyone will touch
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me. I have a 23.
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What's your BMI 23.1? How tall are you?
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5 foot seven in a bit and I'm 66.
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Yeah, see that's not bad that that's a powerful unit.
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I always would have bat myself to be up then I'd say right
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right now after taking basically a month or I reckon I might have
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some heavy bit of competition. Well I'm I'm basically 6 foot
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coming in now, maybe 707170. One yeah, I've I've battered you
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that I'm sorry. Have you?
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Yeah, heavyweight division. I think like for me as well,
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it's like it means a lot this race because if I do get the
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time, it's almost like icing on the cake for what I show is like
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being having been consistent helps.
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So that's why I kind of want to get the time more than anything.
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But yeah, I might ask some of the Africans what should BMI if
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they know what it. Is surely they won't know what
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you're on about on the nitrate stuff.
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I remember pre maragami the other year I had the beetroot
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shots for the first time and then woke up early in the
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morning went the toilet and like still half asleep looking at my
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way and almost having a panic attack like oh I'm pissing
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blood. Like not only is the race off, I
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need to go get check myself into the Japanese hospital.
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I'm always like that. I seem to forget every time
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because I do them before a race and then the post race pissed.
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But maybe I'm just out of it after the race.
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But it gets me every time. I'm like, oh shit, my kidneys
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gone. It's like just pissing straight
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blood. Yeah, it's definitely a
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surprise. For the car blurred for you,
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Tim, what's your plan with that one?
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Previously I don't measure anything like Jake, but
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previously I reckon I've almost gone too far the other way.
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We're like stop, not stop running.
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But you know, you taper off so much with your exercise and then
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eat a heap and just get there and you're just feel sluggish
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and slow. So I figured I actually didn't
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do that much. I find if I load two and three
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days out, so I still eat probably a little bit more, take
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a bit of protein out, you know, don't really touch too many
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veggies. And then the actual day before,
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I try not to think about it and I just have a normal day.
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If I'm hungry, well, I'm obviously going to eat.
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But in terms of portion sizing, I eat just what I feel like.
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And I'd really try not to load too much a day out.
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And that's something I'm been trying to get better AT.
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And even see if that's what correlates to some races last
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year and things where I just felt you just feel like you
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don't get off the ground, but you can't.
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You don't know what it is. So yeah, I'm hoping it's that.
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I think it's that. So going to try Thursday, Friday
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and pretty relaxed on Saturday. Yeah I can relate to almost
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feeling shit for like 10K and the like.
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The first drink station is like your worst nightmare at that
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point isn't it? Like the thought of trying to
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get that down. Yeah.
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So I'm going to try to avoid all of that at least.
23:36
And like, I think Jake summarized it perfectly because
23:39
this is where I think about it. Like even training, like
23:42
sometimes you, let's say you, you got work or whatever, you
23:45
have a terrible day fueling, you got a big workout the next day
23:48
and you crush it and you look back at what you've done.
23:50
You're like, I've got no right to do that.
23:53
And sometimes I think, not that I'm endorsing this, but their
23:56
bodies are pretty incredible and capable of awesome things.
24:01
And sometimes I think maybe they're needed trusted and rely
24:05
off it a bit more in that sense. So I don't measure 10 grams per
24:09
kilo, but I'll do my best and then from there I'll probably
24:13
just try and back myself that I can lift when I need to.
24:18
I've all been influenced by Joe Works it seems.
24:23
You're getting cancer with this answer.
24:25
You got to be careful. Just to extend the fuel and
24:31
stuff with the drink stations. Do you both have your own
24:34
bottles and whatever? Yeah.
24:37
Oh, I can't reach 1. They're just out of reach.
24:39
I've built all of mine already. I sat down yesterday.
24:42
I'm Liam laughs at me. I'm so pedantic.
24:45
I build little handles and they've got some nice green and
24:49
gold tape on them with some green line trimmer cords so you
24:53
can't miss it. I'm using the little fruit
24:57
bottles from Tesco's. Yeah.
25:01
So apart from putting the stuff in it, I'm actually, yeah,
25:04
pretty. I could run the race tomorrow.
25:07
Me or carry any gels as a backup or no?
25:10
I'm sorry, loosey goosey. Hey.
25:11
Oh, I don't know. I'll decide the day before.
25:16
What about the stories of like people up the front just like
25:20
stealing others bottles if they don't see their own and stuff?
25:23
Is this legit? Like, have you ever had it
25:25
happen to you? Yeah, I'll just take the next
25:27
one along. It's No, I'm sorry.
25:30
It sucks. No, seriously, it's just like
25:32
it's. That's part of it happens.
25:34
And if someone's taken mine, I'm taking someone else's If I see
25:37
you, not if I know who it is, I'm not taking yours.
25:41
If. I see you holding a green ESM
25:44
bottle. I'm taking you out.
25:47
I'm getting. This, this is, this is your
25:50
chance to say what colour your bottle is and I won't touch it,
25:55
but you know, seriously, you've just.
25:57
Identified yours? If anyone listens to this,
26:00
they'll be targets in your bottle.
26:02
Like you always can share, I think athlete to athlete, it's
26:06
just you can't share pace or two athlete.
26:08
And like I had this happen to me in Frankfurt where I ran my PB,
26:12
my bottle wasn't there at 25. And George James, one of the
26:15
British athletes. Like there's usually enough in
26:19
everyone's bottle where you can. I personally think that early on
26:23
it'd be almost a shit move to not share with someone else.
26:26
Like even a SIP will get you through 5K and have a bit more
26:29
at the next one. And lastly, pre race, how does a
26:34
warm up look for you guys don't know feel like for the shorter
26:38
stuff people take warm ups so seriously X amount of minutes of
26:41
jog and then maybe do some steady or threshold or like
26:45
couple of reps at race pace. Whereas the marathon, I think in
26:50
the like the less elite space, people tend to just like run up
26:54
and down for 5 or 10 minutes. So how do you guys handle that?
26:58
I'm like 10 minutes and a few drills and mobility things and
27:03
probably 1 stride, maybe 2 I bet you fellas.
27:09
I I hate all that anyone actually out to you?
27:12
I despise it. Hey, I will just join in with
27:16
you. So I'll just join in within.
27:21
Yeah, sounds good. Thing is it's like like I think
27:27
the first like 5K map like should well in London as well
27:31
because he's downhill, relatively chill and stuff.
27:35
And I don't know, I think a lot of people do tend to over do the
27:41
warm up. I've heard like Yakov, there's
27:45
what, 300 almost flat out and stuff.
27:47
And I I sort of Steve for 1500. But even I see some of these
27:51
like Africans before like the half marathon and stuff.
27:55
And they're getting really quick, really, really quick.
27:58
And I want to know the benefits of it.
28:01
Like there must be more research needed, but I kind of want to
28:06
and what the reason is. But yeah, I'll just probably
28:10
just join in the team it seems about.
28:14
You'll just wander around looking for someone who you
28:16
know. Please let me join you.
28:22
Regarding the actual race, then I imagine you've got, well Jake,
28:26
you've pretty been clear with your big goal all the way.
28:28
How about the European standard? How does like strategy fit into
28:33
that? And have you like decided your
28:36
race plan Now Obviously Alex Yi was pacing a male and Jake, you
28:41
said watch between now and the the race, there'll be people
28:44
dropping out. And then like it felt like the
28:46
next day it popped up that a male was a DNS.
28:49
So like who does Alex now pace and is it on the day before the
28:54
race at the technical meeting you find out all the pace groups
28:57
and stuff I. Think Emil Alex paces second
29:01
group. So is it that Peter Lynch, is it
29:03
that Irish guy? It wouldn't surprise me if him
29:06
and Paddy go for it and there'll be a few others.
29:13
In terms of my race plan, I am. I spoke to Annie and Gav and I
29:17
think I'm going to go through and it'd probably be like the
29:19
fourth or fifth group. So if you say like Alex is a
29:24
second group, hey, that's like 206, the third group, 208 and
29:28
the fourth group like 2 and 9:30, I'll be in that fourth
29:31
group. I'm not going to go any quicker
29:33
because like based off my tests and stuff, I should be able to.
29:37
I'm going to really try negative split.
29:39
And if I think if I go through in 6445 and 65, I'm trying to
29:45
get towards 6445 based off better than all my other
29:48
results, I should be very, very comfortable.
29:51
And then I think genuinely, I think a halfway, I might be like
29:55
8th Brit. If you've seen the way names
29:58
holding men goes race, they are, they are incredible athletes,
30:02
but they go off every single race.
30:05
And I think there's going to be quite a few casualties.
30:08
And how I like to race is just pick people off.
30:11
So yeah, I'm just, I'm, I'm literally just going to post on
30:15
Instagram. Big ball.
30:17
If you're ahead of me, whoever you are, I'm chasing you.
30:20
I'm coming. But I I've heard maybe Johnny
30:24
Mellon, only Lockley pacing and I'm really hope Johnny can get
30:28
me to 30 K. So I will be questioning like
30:33
really, really asking if those two could help a bit more.
30:37
Otherwise, if they only get to halfway, it's a bit of a lonely
30:40
race because I don't think, I don't actually know how many
30:43
people will come in my group. I know the two away group will
30:46
be huge on a British perspective as well.
30:49
So just depends, but we'll find out.
30:52
We'll finalize the actual paces on Saturday.
30:57
And do you have to try and like negotiate in that as as an
31:00
athlete who might be subject to receiving some benefit from
31:04
these paces? Are you like kind of debate in
31:06
with the others? Like I'd rather this pace type
31:09
thing. Yeah, yeah.
31:09
So if like, say, for example, you know, just say another
31:14
person came with me, there was two other guys and we were like,
31:17
OK, so all European, we're like we want 2 or 930 would probably
31:21
say let's go for 6445. But it really depends.
31:26
But then if it's like last year, because I was the group behind,
31:29
you know, Alex, Johnny Miller, Jack Rowe, their group was quite
31:32
big. So I don't actually know who
31:35
decided, but because it was it was very strange.
31:38
That group ahead was very up and down, so I don't actually have a
31:41
clue bars my group. It was just mean.
31:44
It's Canadian American guy. So it's just two of us and we
31:47
would literally the piece of last.
31:48
Do you want this or do you want a bit quicker?
31:50
And we could just say we both wanted it like whatever pace.
31:54
So I'm hoping for like a tiny. I want some people with me, but
31:59
I just I'm not 100% sure because the you've seen the list of the
32:03
athletes. It's it's incredible going into
32:05
London. Tim, does Jake's plan sound like
32:08
you'll run the first half with him, or how does your strategy
32:11
align to that? That's exactly how I ran my PB
32:16
in Frankfurt. It was pretty much those exact
32:18
splits are even possibly slower. I think I was 10530 through
32:23
halfway. So that's I'll probably go the
32:26
opposite way this time. I don't know which speed.
32:29
Once again, that's technical meeting stuff, but that's where
32:32
my anxiety comes through is like the quickest I've been through
32:34
is probably 65 something and possibly could be looking as at
32:39
the absolute quickest 64 minutes.
32:42
I'm hoping to pick back from that because like that, that's
32:45
pretty damn quick to find another 201K.
32:49
But yeah, there's a lot of merit in the negative split.
32:53
I think every world record up from the 800 is a negative
32:57
split. That's a fact I usually like
32:59
quoting. So yeah, there, I think there's
33:03
a line in there. And once again, this is all the
33:06
bartering at technical meetings and whatnot is, as Jake was
33:10
hinting, as it's a pretty big group.
33:12
I think the the one up the 1208 and there's a lot of guys in
33:16
that group that'll even want quicker, but not 206.
33:21
So like, I don't know what's happening yet, but something in
33:25
that middle ground would be lovely, but I don't think it's
33:27
going to exist. Yeah.
33:29
Will you and you and Liam be on the same team?
33:32
They're working together to try and sort the pace.
33:35
So is he thinking differently not to give his plan away like.
33:40
Should be similar group, but there's like, once again, I
33:44
think like what Jake said this, I think there'll be more than
33:47
10. I haven't really counted, but we
33:50
haven't even spoken on that because we shouldn't even need
33:54
to, to be honest. I actually think there's that
33:55
going to be that many in a few paces.
33:58
I'd love to work with him if it came to that in the race.
34:03
But yeah, there's there's plenty of us going to be out there.
34:06
What's the weather forecast looking like at this stage?
34:09
How many times have we been checking it?
34:10
No. I.
34:13
Think we've? The winds looks like because you
34:15
know we go where you start, you go 1st 5K will be into a
34:19
headwind but then I would say from 5:00 to halfway with the
34:23
tailwind and then it majority because where it starts and
34:27
finish we will probably have a head tailwind for majority of
34:30
it. Yep, and it's looking Touchwood,
34:34
not 20°. It's 10° cooler than it was last
34:38
year, so it's going to be. So we're on.
34:44
Yeah, can't wait to eating. We'll send you some photos after
34:48
the race when we get both get PBS.
34:52
Yeah, let's go with that. Yeah.
34:53
With the drinks. You'll have what in hand?
34:57
What will be the the go to? You know, it's a Bailey's.
35:01
As soon as I run, I run the time, go straight to that.
35:06
Yeah, it'd be. I wouldn't mind one of those.
35:11
I don't really drink to make crafty things, but I've had,
35:13
while I've been over here, some one of those Camden Pale Ale
35:18
things and they've got nice pint glasses and I'd love to take
35:22
pint glasses, a souvenir if I run well, because I've got a,
35:25
I've got a stellar pint from Belgium.
35:27
Have you ever played that game? I've heard stories is, you know,
35:30
when like if you're on like a stag do or something, you have
35:33
to try and sneak out something from the park and it's like.
35:38
I've seen videos and people take like bar mats and like the
35:43
bigger the Ottoman, the. Bigger the IT.
35:45
Gets stupid. So people like going into the
35:49
toilet, just finally trying to find like the sink.
35:56
Hopefully London doesn't end up like that.
35:59
My dad strangely went through a period where he would take a
36:02
steak knife from the pub all the time and then I think he just
36:06
got like addicted to it because obviously he'd got like 5 steak
36:10
knives. You don't need any more than
36:11
that. And the one of the staff was
36:14
giving him a lift home once and then the knife pierced the car
36:18
seat through his pocket and that's how he got caught.
36:26
Jake, what will the weather be like in Yamagassa for your
36:29
battle? Probably a little bit more
36:32
toasty, could be a 2025. Maybe this is the turning point
36:38
where it's like it goes from it's been well about two weeks
36:43
ago it was like close to 0 and then it could be 30 by next
36:48
week. It's pretty brutal.
36:50
Luckily because it's further north, I can maybe hold off for
36:53
another couple weeks compared to Tokyo.
36:55
But yeah, I've been actually, I just had my alarm go off.
36:59
I need to remember to switch the sauna on because I've been
37:02
hammering the heat training. But after this question, I'm I'm
37:06
just going to go and flick that on.
37:07
That's my post recording training to finish up the day.
37:12
Yeah, I've been going hammer on that.
37:13
I'm not taking chances this time.
37:16
And will will you be doing like anything different in terms of
37:18
fuelling and stuff for that or you just roll with it?
37:22
Just roll with it. I feel anything less than a
37:25
marathon you don't have to massively worry about.
37:29
I think, like I never would take jails during a half, like maybe
37:34
a halfway, but really see if you've got a decent breakfast
37:38
in. I might have a jail on the start
37:40
line. And now pretty much, yeah.
37:42
Get you through I reckon. Just going back to Tim and Jake
37:46
with London, you know, like after a race, after a marathon,
37:50
to me it always becomes apparent like something like next time in
37:55
the block, I'm definitely doing this, like whether it be
37:58
strength or stretching or change, the type of sessions and
38:01
stuff at this stage. Like, it's not really the time
38:05
and place to be reflecting like, but is there anything obvious
38:07
that sticks in your mind now? Like something you'll look to
38:11
implement in the next block? Great question and I'm sure I'll
38:15
have an answer for you after the marathon itself.
38:21
Been very lucky being over here and not working and whatnot and
38:24
living. I guess you could say a pro
38:26
athlete lost all for a few weeks.
38:28
So yeah, I've been very lucky thus far and don't have an
38:33
answer for you just yet. Hope to continue living the pro
38:37
athlete lifestyle. Don't change anything, keep it
38:40
like that. Now I'll be getting the job when
38:42
I get back. But yeah, hopefully at some
38:45
point in the future, yeah, just get leave without pay I think or
38:49
something. It's it's helped having five or
38:51
six weeks to really knuckle down.
38:56
Do you miss at Brisbane at this stage?
39:00
Miss family, friends, my partner.
39:04
I'm not sure if I miss Brisbane itself but no I'm keen to go
39:10
home like next week. I think it's about a week till I
39:13
fly out and I am excited. I've started thinking about it a
39:16
bit more, but it's probably more the things associated with home
39:20
and the people rather than the actual city.
39:23
Yeah, nice. And we did have a couple of, oh,
39:27
actually tell you what, we'll speak about the field in itself
39:29
because Jake, you, you touched on it.
39:32
Who? Who do you think Will could win?
39:35
And there's so many who could win.
39:36
But where do you thoughts lie? Article I'm going to go Rd.
39:41
Tamora, I'm going to go Rd. I'm just going to abuse him on
39:47
Friday and tell him you better win now.
39:52
I don't know she's like I know it's going to go out fast.
39:56
I know, but in terms of if you see like.
40:01
Him the lot like you saw what he didn't Cardiff.
40:03
I know that was years ago world heart and stuff, but in talent
40:05
look like a championship racer. He is very like how many medals
40:10
he's won globally and many when he's in form like he won Rock
40:15
Down marathon. I think it was last year.
40:20
It's just it's one of those if it does go out with like 201,
40:23
which will probably happen, probably won't be able to hang
40:27
on. But if there if say the Pacers
40:29
can't get that far and they back start backing off, he will he
40:33
will be lethal. I just want to go pit Rd.
40:36
So and I should actually Paddy diva.
40:39
Let's just go for it. Let's just go Paddy Diva to win.
40:45
Imagine he just flies in and just causes chaos.
40:52
But yeah, it's like a few, quite a few people have aren't
40:59
starting anyway. But in terms of the British
41:03
point of view, it's very, very, it's still very, very strong.
41:06
It's a shame Emil's not doing it because he would have run
41:09
something ridiculous. And then you like you, you guys
41:13
came on to mention all the big names in the last podcast
41:16
anyway. But yeah, it's it's annoying.
41:21
We're actually racing a bit. It's been like the last people
41:24
to actually find out who won. But I'll be good.
41:30
Tim, do you have any interest or you just all about what you can
41:34
do, not really thinking about the other guys?
41:36
I'd love to have watched this race.
41:38
It is. I think I counted there's like 8
41:42
or so like headline as you could almost say, and I can't find
41:47
them. The fact that they've got eight
41:48
in one spot, my picks probably SAR Way.
41:55
Once again, I think he won in Rieger and he's had a few wins
41:58
now. I don't know his resume off the
42:00
top of my head, but I think after being there in Rieger and
42:05
once again kind of seeing the names that he bait there,
42:08
there's one other race that I'm forgetting where he's just
42:11
absolutely demolished a world class field.
42:14
Yeah, I think he's one to watch. What chapter guy is he going to
42:18
go for two hours again? He's just a loose cannon, isn't
42:23
he? Could do absolutely anything.
42:26
I'm keen to see the debut of Kjoja and Haggos Kebra wet as
42:31
well. I think he's flown under the
42:34
radar a lot. It obviously is a debut, but
42:38
that he's insane talent and he's done some crazy things on the
42:42
track. Yeah, pretty exciting.
42:46
And guarantee two of those 8 will come back to us.
42:49
Guarantee it. Fix it's crossed Yeah, I.
42:52
Think they will. They, they could actually like
42:56
pull off and quit and we wouldn't even know.
42:59
Well, that's. Well, I think they won't come
43:01
back. Yeah, they'll be gone.
43:02
You never see them stop suddenly.
43:04
You'll have gained 10 places out of nowhere.
43:07
But you don't even know you've got the 10 places, do you?
43:09
Like that's. When you're not going to finish
43:11
when a meal came up. Search.
43:13
He was apparently he didn't know.
43:15
Yeah, with four miles go, he's 10.
43:17
And then he came out the bridge and then he crossed the lines
43:19
like, what the hell? And he's third overall.
43:23
That's crazy, yeah. We had a couple of questions
43:27
come in. So Pat Diskin who coaches Owen,
43:30
who's the the Irish Co host on our show, he's asked a couple,
43:34
he said how's your sleep been so far this weekend?
43:36
Do you expect that to change as we like approach the race from
43:40
now? I normally just have two hour
43:43
naps every day on top of nine hours.
43:46
I don't I like I said before, I don't really have the most
43:50
interesting life. Like when I saw Tim and Liam,
43:52
that was probably the highlight of my month.
43:56
So I really focus on, I'm very focused on sleep and I think I
44:03
have always been and it really hasn't helped my height, but I
44:08
do try and get quite a bit. I'm quite a big advocate for
44:12
naps. I'm a big fan of them.
44:15
Yeah. Trying to go to bed a bit
44:16
earlier because I know Sunday, Saturday night, you probably
44:20
won't sleep too well. Yeah, we'll have a nap the day
44:25
before as well. Yeah.
44:28
Which of chocolate ready to go? Something going like 90,
44:34
probably 9 hours, which was creeping down last week.
44:37
And then birds myself, we just pulled the bedtime probably back
44:41
to 839 and got the luxury now to just sleep till whenever you
44:47
wake up. So I think I got nine and a half
44:50
10 hours last night. I don't typically nap, but I
44:54
will if I feel like it. And then the only other thing
44:56
instead of napping is I'm just off my legs.
45:00
Like, I'll make sure I'm sitting or lying down most of the week.
45:06
I do find if I get a bit restless, I'll just go get a
45:08
coffee or go for a little tiny walk.
45:11
I definitely might be doing that after probably Thursday.
45:16
But yeah, probably 10 hours. I usually feel all right because
45:19
I'm probably used to functioning off a lot less back home, which
45:22
probably isn't a good thing. He's just sleeping like absolute
45:26
kings. This is making me laugh.
45:29
Jake Jake B. Do you get a similar amount or
45:32
what? They love the early starts here.
45:36
So I'm, I'm probably an 8 hour man because like yeah, if you're
45:41
training with a group, they like starting at 6:00 AM.
45:46
So it's you kind of got to be in that routine.
45:48
So I'm usually maybe a 5:50 kind of schedule, maybe try and push
45:54
it, be in bed by like 9 just winding down and I can't do the
45:57
nap at all. I feel horrendous after napping.
46:01
So yeah, definitely just get it all done in the night and then
46:04
power through the day. Advocates of magnesium to
46:09
support sleep to take any supplements like that.
46:12
Every single evening, Yeah. Yeah.
46:14
But if it does a thing but I'm bought into it, whether it's
46:17
placebo or not, yeah, I'm bought in.
46:20
I've never tried it to be honest.
46:22
I probably should. I don't think you need to.
46:26
Maybe. Yeah, more than enough.
46:27
Sleep. Yeah, Yeah.
46:28
Yeah, there's already. I remember I tried it one, one
46:33
night and I've never gone back to it because I had like the
46:35
most lucid sleep ever. It was just like the movie
46:39
Inception. It felt like I was in these
46:40
different levels of sleep. I was like, I just put it down
46:44
to having magnesium for the first time.
46:45
I was like, I'm not touching that stuff again.
46:48
To be fair, I do remember thinking like when I first
46:51
started taking it, I was dreaming more.
46:53
Maybe that's it. Yeah.
46:54
Because I was just almost freaked out.
46:56
I was. It was just, yeah.
47:00
Lost control whilst we're on supplements as well.
47:04
Someone else Rachel McGuinness asked.
47:07
Do you take any additional pre race supplements?
47:10
I like that you wouldn't typically take in weeks a week
47:13
routine. Gnomeo, bicarb, ketones,
47:15
nitrates, or anyone check iron levels and have an infusion.
47:21
That was that was basically my whole 2122.
47:26
So broken nerves and teeth. I take I don't take any of that
47:30
stuff because my point of view is we've been how many years
47:36
we've run without all this new stuff?
47:38
And I've run all these times without it.
47:41
And I don't really think you need it.
47:43
All I take is like a caffeine tablet before the race.
47:46
And I know there is like all this literature out there saying
47:50
how helpful is, but I'm not a fan.
47:53
I'm just, you know, you just have to grind out used to.
47:57
So I just ate a cap me tablet and yes, get on with it.
48:02
Just run hard. Is a true way.
48:04
They also used to roar dog the marathon.
48:06
No water, no, no Joe is nothing could go proper.
48:10
Always good. I might just not wear carvings
48:14
as well. That exactly.
48:17
You've really got some balls there.
48:20
Timmy, you on any of those big supplement?
48:22
Well, those popular supplements, shall we say?
48:26
Apart from a double espresso or triple, depending how the gut's
48:30
feeling on the morning and a cod mix.
48:34
That's the other thing I was saying, which I don't know
48:36
should be part of normal routine, but that's something
48:38
I'll add in on the race weekend. Jake, if you see me without my
48:44
bottle in the hand from 24 hours out, you can slap me.
48:49
They'll carry that around. I usually in a sense supplement
48:53
with just sip in a carb mix and then caffeine.
48:56
I'm once again pretty loosey goosey.
48:58
I'll just take it as it comes. Jake Barclough, you're the walk
49:03
in marketing machine. You'll have things falling out,
49:05
your pockets going to you have my Casa.
49:09
I'm I love a little caffeine tablet as well.
49:12
Got to get that in be true. No, Meo, when you're as unfit as
49:18
me, you got to take every little advantage you can get.
49:23
I actually don't reckon the Nomio tastes as bad as like,
49:26
well, you didn't feel like you're drinking broccoli
49:28
sprouts, put it that way. It does at 5:00 AM in the
49:32
morning when you're rolling out of bed and slamming.
49:35
That doesn't exactly go down a treat.
49:39
Jake, will you, will you be tied to heart rate during the race?
49:42
So as that kind of all go out the window and you're just like
49:44
the pace group you locked in. No, so I will stick with the
49:48
pace group halfway, but my heart rates like 170 through halfway
49:53
or one below 175. It just means I can go even
49:57
harder in the second-half of them.
49:59
I will completely use it and for anyone in my group, I will.
50:03
I'm just telling you because with the Huawei watch, I will
50:05
have every K the guy talks to me as notice and I will have the
50:11
I'm putting on the what's it called, the pace guy.
50:16
So he saw put in 305 and he tells you how far ahead or
50:20
behind you are of the pace that every time.
50:24
You'll be getting sideways looks in that Group I.
50:27
Wish you can't change your voice yet.
50:29
I've asked them and stuff. Yeah, that so I imagine having
50:33
like Yoda or someone mid London Marathon.
50:37
But yeah, so I reckon I genuinely think he'll go off 50
50:41
times, like speak, watch. So if you think about that, just
50:46
think so every 2 1/2 minutes will go off.
50:49
That's all I need to think about.
50:51
People might be trying to run off or drop back because they're
50:54
sick of it. You might blow your own group up
50:56
because of the Huawei man. Yeah, it's just a bit of fun,
51:00
isn't it? I need to make a bit fun.
51:01
I'm going to look like the knob. I'm going to wear backwards hat
51:05
and glasses, might write on my shoes.
51:07
I do all that stuff. Soon as you mentioned shoes,
51:10
what are the weapons of choice for you both?
51:13
I have to go out that yellow A5 threes.
51:16
I think most in Nike guys, my Nike agent is bringing me some
51:22
more, but I think there's where some of the Nike guys are have
51:26
to wear them. So Abdeena Gay did in Boston as
51:30
well. But The thing is, you know, keep
51:35
chogi. Sorry, not very chapter guy,
51:37
keep limo and stuff. They'll probably have the alpha
51:39
force to be honest. But again.
51:43
You see, it looked like Charles Hicks had the protos on with a
51:46
blacked out force. I couldn't tell what they were.
51:50
Think so. I see now, yeah, his brand was a
51:54
bit nuts. I'm glad he's.
51:56
I'm glad he's not anymore. Tim, what are you in?
52:02
No rays, just the the usual. I'm going to be in the Ray 2
52:09
version 2, which will be what I wore in Ghent.
52:14
So it's approved by World Athletics.
52:17
It's just the more stable Ray. And then the version one of the
52:22
Ray 2 was the only real difference that I can tell
52:26
slight geometry. And then underneath it was no
52:30
real tow guard, I think to save weight and only lasted for me
52:34
like 6-7 or 8 kilometres. Whereas now they've got this tow
52:37
guard, similar geometry and it's like made the world of
52:42
difference. It's beyond light.
52:45
So it's so actually, we'll see how we go.
52:47
This will be another thing to reflect on.
52:49
I've never worn a shoe this light or like people wore them
52:53
at Boston. People have run so well
52:55
internationally in them. I don't know too many Aussie
52:59
ASICS runners that have worn the Ray yet for Mara.
53:03
So I figure screw it, let's give it a whirl.
53:06
And I think I'm going to have a lot of fun in that shoe.
53:09
And I think this year in like Australia, worldwide, it's
53:14
already a marathon shoe, but I think Aussies are going to
53:16
commit to it this year in the marathon.
53:19
There you go, well your review will be will mean the world to
53:22
everyone then. So and Jake, it was a cool to
53:26
see your teammate Clayton tearing it off at Boston.
53:30
It was mad. I feel like if you watched his
53:32
series, he was kind of making out like he was scraping Violet,
53:36
hanging on. So, oh, he's not going to come
53:38
in in great shape and then go and pop pops that.
53:41
It does look like the best weather day possible.
53:45
Like, oh man, I wish I'd been in Boston.
53:47
I guess if you get a tailwind like that, then yeah, you can
53:51
see what doesn't count for records in a way, but crazy
53:54
times out there. Yeah, he smashed it looking
53:57
fresh in the the blue Brooks singlet.
54:01
And I think he had the Hyperion 6 on like the elite ones.
54:05
So I think, I don't know if I can use it.
54:06
I think they're coming out in the summer, maybe officially.
54:09
But yeah, they're they're very nice.
54:11
I've been rocking them. With you saying there about his
54:14
like storyline and the build up and stuff on YouTube, he's he
54:17
must have been following your channel and like stole your
54:19
script. I know, I know.
54:21
Can you give me a shout out at least?
54:23
Come on. We got another question, which I
54:28
guess, Jake, you could maybe answer this one best from Owen's
54:31
coach again, what's morning heart rate compared to normal,
54:34
if you like usually checking this stuff?
54:36
So I find my morning heart rate when I run is lower than the
54:40
evening. And I thought I was a norm, but
54:44
I've spoken to a few people and it's and there's is opposite.
54:49
But my my thing is they the people whose heart rates are low
54:54
in the evening, they normally have a full time job.
54:56
Maybe it's because they're going through the whole day and they
54:58
get a bit tired and more fatigues in the evening, but I
55:01
don't, I don't know what the actual signs is and what it
55:05
should be, but mine's always lower in the morning.
55:07
Even if I run the exact same pace in the morning, it's lower,
55:10
in the evening, it's higher. It always happens.
55:13
And when I know I'm fatigued, when I'm struggling, it's when
55:16
my heart rate in the evening is lower than the morning.
55:19
That's when I know, yeah, it's like a red, a little red flag
55:22
for me, but I know a lot of people are the other way rounds.
55:28
Maybe it's the food you're eating.
55:31
Maybe it's because like maybe if I did had a full time job, maybe
55:35
it would be the other way round. But I really want to know the
55:39
reason behind why mine is like that because I don't know many
55:43
other people who are the same as me.
55:45
Do you both follow or do you all follow Graham Fisher overseeing
55:49
him on Strava? Because it might be a bit more
55:52
relatable for you guys than it is to me, but his heart rate
55:55
output versus his paces, like I struggled to comprehend it.
55:59
You think his heart rate is so if you looked at his Max and
56:02
actually he's racing heart rate. So for example when I did a
56:05
testing I got to 197 and I can hold like 185 for 1/2 marathon
56:11
whereas his actual marathon heart heart rate are
56:15
significantly less his. Yes, it's all relative.
56:19
So it's all that that's the that's the problem because it's
56:23
almost, it's all well and good to have very low heart rates,
56:25
but if you can't actually get it that high, then it's also you
56:30
also have to look at it because I always think when athletes
56:34
start to get fresh, the heart rate actually increases because
56:37
it, when you're fatigued, it's for suppressed, whereas when you
56:40
become a bit more fresh, it's high.
56:41
And a lot of people, a lot of people I helped coach and stuff,
56:44
they were getting a bit worried going to these races because the
56:46
heart rate was high. And all I said is you're fresh.
56:49
And then they all ran PBS. So it's, there's so many.
56:52
I'm a big fan of heart rate, but there is a lot of factors that
56:55
can influence it. And I don't think anyone should
56:59
compare heart rates with anyone because everyone's is so
57:02
different. And if you start comparing
57:05
yourself to the likes of Cranfish and other people, it
57:07
will really it can cause a lot of like stress and stuff.
57:12
Are you one of the Do you join the taper as your body comes
57:17
around and your legs get fresher?
57:18
Will you allow yourself to like jog a little bit quicker or do
57:21
you just stick to? Usual pieces like today I took
57:24
that like last session and tomorrow I'll just like I'll
57:26
just jog like I won't do anything, just jog slowly.
57:30
And I liked like yesterday around 517 K with my my
57:34
girlfriend and stuff. I will just, it's like, like Tim
57:38
was saying, the work's done and I'm not going to gain anything
57:43
now. So even if they're fresh, just
57:47
want them even more fresh. So yeah, that's a, that's a plan
57:52
of action. Couple more questions Dan Wayne
57:57
is asking you, Jake saying the top of British distance running
58:01
right now is crazy. Where do you see yourself being
58:04
able to improve and stay competing at the top end and who
58:08
do you think will be the first Brit on the 205 and how far or
58:12
close are we to that? I think whether within the year,
58:15
I think if Emil steps up, he could do it in a heartbeat.
58:18
Patty Diva is the next person who could do it.
58:21
And it would not surprise me if he actually just did.
58:23
Like you have to. I know it's a perfect day in
58:25
Boston, but he did beat Charles Hicks in New York and Charles
58:28
Hicks just ran 204 and he put over a minute on him in New
58:32
York. So it's like he's the big, he's
58:35
the next big person who can do it.
58:37
If it if it doesn't happen in London, I can guarantee will
58:40
happen the next year if he does another one.
58:42
I don't know if he's doing the track.
58:44
And to me, the, the thing I'm lacking the most is if you look
58:48
at Emil, Jack Rowe, Paddy, if you look at their mile times,
58:53
for example, compared to mine, it's stupid.
58:56
They've all like, they've all I need to get.
58:58
I want to break 4 minutes a mile.
59:00
Like after this marathon, I do really need to focus on that
59:03
speed work because that's what Ian Philip Sessman like you look
59:07
at all their speed and that turnover.
59:09
That's what I don't have at the minute.
59:11
So it's basically not not working on the Robic side, but
59:14
almost voting on the shortest stuff in the next block to
59:18
ensure I can actually keep up with these guys.
59:22
Because look at what Jack Rowe and Patty went through New York
59:24
half and they went through in sub 28 just for the 1st 10K just
59:28
because they wanted to. And if I did that just on a 10K,
59:32
I'd be absolutely thriving. So I'm still a bit behind, but
59:37
that's, that's what I'm trying to do.
59:39
I'm trying to keep in sport for a lot longer and just keep
59:41
building like small progress every race basically.
59:46
Yeah, nice. And Tim, Dan also asked you a
59:49
question. Obviously London's an incredible
59:51
race as a sub 210 runner at a time where perhaps 207 is the
59:56
new 209. How important is chasing faster
59:59
times, chasing a faster marathon course as these days to keep a
1:00:06
PB up there with the best Aussie marathoners?
1:00:09
And do you have plans to do so in the near future?
1:00:14
I with a lot of that question, I'm not as time specific as
1:00:18
that, if that makes sense that the times are nice, but I kind
1:00:21
of see it in a sense where like Jake was hinting at with his
1:00:25
progression, he's got areas he wants to work on.
1:00:27
I've I've also identified that exact same thing after this
1:00:31
marathon, I'll be doing a lot more shorter stuff.
1:00:35
If my coaching myself is successful at kind of actioning
1:00:37
those goals and those areas I want to work on, the times will
1:00:41
come. I absolutely agree.
1:00:44
Like two O 7's, a new two O 9 and whatnot.
1:00:46
It's only going to keep going that way.
1:00:49
There's no point stressing and getting worked up about it or
1:00:52
entering a race and going on so focused on.
1:00:56
I actually think that's when races fall apart is when you go
1:00:58
in them with such a specific rigid time goal.
1:01:02
Because at the end of the day, it's a race.
1:01:04
You need to be flexible. Things happen and if you stress
1:01:07
yourself out about one time goal, you'll also lose the fun
1:01:12
of it. So don't.
1:01:14
Not really too fast, about time. Yeah, more process orientated
1:01:18
and the outcome will look after. Itself.
1:01:20
Absolutely. All right, guys, we've.
1:01:23
We've breached the hour, Jake. Barclough will you be you're
1:01:26
going to live stream the race on YouTube and provide some
1:01:28
commentary or what now I don't need to live stream it the.
1:01:33
The Japanese. People handling that I'll, I'll
1:01:35
ping up a little link on the story so they they might be very
1:01:39
confused while a whole load of foreign comments start flooding
1:01:41
in on this niche. Little local race on YouTube,
1:01:46
but we'll let the ranted Japan army take over there.
1:01:49
What time does it start in Japan?
1:01:52
Is it early? Oh wait, it's going.
1:01:55
Oh, it's a nightmare for you like in the.
1:01:57
UK it would be oh, hang on Monday at about 3:00 AM.
1:02:04
You'll be in the clubs at that point.
1:02:08
OK, that's perfect. Come back from the night out.
1:02:11
And you've got you've got an accident to watch.
1:02:13
Yeah, but isn't it the whole day?
1:02:16
It's a. Good 4 hour.
1:02:19
Part of it, I know it's going to be hard.
1:02:23
To to pick that over the. The the pub celebration, but
1:02:27
that's going to be a tough call there.
1:02:28
And does your team have a chance of winning?
1:02:31
Yeah. I think we should win.
1:02:34
Hopefully it's a little unfair because all the other teams are
1:02:39
amateur runners and then where the sort of professional team
1:02:43
that I've moved up here to train with obviously a base in this
1:02:47
town, like it's tiny little town.
1:02:49
So you just got like this bunch of ridiculously good, like elite
1:02:53
runners competing against guys like full time jobs and stuff.
1:02:57
So it's slightly unfair. But yeah, yeah, we'll hopefully
1:03:01
take the dub. You say that you should win, but
1:03:04
Arsenal should also win the league.
1:03:05
And look what's happening. Don't talk about it, but.
1:03:10
We need the. Champions League.
1:03:12
That's all good as long as Spurs go.
1:03:16
Down. That would just be, that would
1:03:19
be a consolidation. At.
1:03:21
Least so. God it would be painful.
1:03:24
I don't know how we've thrown it away like that.
1:03:26
Side eyed by Holland, I just could not stop laughing.
1:03:29
At the end of the game, this game is, it's still not over.
1:03:34
It's. Still not over.
1:03:38
I said that watching Liverpool like years ago.
1:03:41
And I think Liverpool won their last nine inside City and City
1:03:45
just closed it out, not the team lost for 9:00.
1:03:48
So if City's anything like that, yeah, they're tough.
1:03:52
They closeout a season well City and we're struggling to even win
1:03:56
1 so. Yeah, looking good in shape I.
1:04:02
Think if your fixtures are slightly.
1:04:03
More favourable, aren't they? Yeah, but that's Champions
1:04:06
League. Semi might be more of a
1:04:08
hindrance than a hell yeah. Sure, you try and double up and
1:04:11
then could end up blowing. All of that which Liverpool have
1:04:14
done the other year as well. Remember when there was all the?
1:04:16
Quadruple talk and then we ended up with like in a fake or.
1:04:24
Tim, have you managed to get yourself to any more Premier
1:04:26
League football over there? No, we've.
1:04:30
Haven't been to any more live. Games, but definitely just been
1:04:32
tuning in and watching it. Like I think Saturday I watched
1:04:36
there were four different game slots I think, or three, and I
1:04:38
was just on the couch from like midday to 7:00 or whatever it
1:04:42
was. And I watched every game.
1:04:43
So that's been a nice change in itself, even if I'm not at the
1:04:47
games to just actually be able to watch them.
1:04:48
And back home, if I do that, I'd fall asleep at half time.
1:04:54
I find 15 minutes at that time and 9, I'm out.
1:04:57
So it's good to actually be able to pay attention to it.
1:05:00
How much better is the Sky Sports coverage and the.
1:05:03
Pundits than like the stuff on Stan.
1:05:08
I'm still watching. Stan, but I won't comment on
1:05:11
that. Yeah, yeah, yes, guy, I'd be
1:05:16
good. But yeah, no, I'm still on Stan.
1:05:18
And to be honest, I watched it on mute half the time when I
1:05:21
said VPN. Then I was waiting for Jake
1:05:23
Barclough. To pop up with an endorsement
1:05:29
just. Start just start spitting some
1:05:30
bars I need to I need. To really well just because I've
1:05:37
asked for FA Cup final tickets for me and my mates, for my my
1:05:44
agent to find. The faster I run, the more
1:05:48
chance he'll help you get me there.
1:05:50
Elevate the profile. Well, fellas, it's been a
1:05:54
pleasure. I wish.
1:05:55
You all the best of luck. I hope that the next four days
1:05:57
absolutely fly by. And then you, you just stood
1:05:59
there on the start line ready to wrap.
1:06:01
Thank you very much. It's been fun and.
1:06:04
I look forward to chatting after.
1:06:06
Anyway, I'll be going to do a cool.
1:06:09
After as well. Yeah, we'll do a.
1:06:11
Post race for sure. Whenever.
1:06:13
You guys have processed it and feel ready to talk about it
1:06:18
Sunday evening. 1:00 PM if I get the time off there.
1:06:28
Jacob be there in some Japanese marathons Mountain.
1:06:31
Somewhere though, yeah, yeah, nothing to do with the.
1:06:35
Race. They've just gone.
1:06:36
Completely. Wrong somewhere.
1:06:39
Have they got medical tents up and down?
1:06:41
This perfect, perfect chair. Well, yeah, I hope so.
1:06:45
So she. Was a toasty.
1:06:46
One that could be the input to you.
1:06:51
All right, guys. Thanks very much and I look.
1:06:54
Forward to tuning into your races.
1:06:56
Thanks guys, boys, have a good week.
1:06:59
Good luck. Every week runner talking way
1:07:09
too deep here. Play lock in your part of the
1:07:11
crew. This is easy double welcome to
1:07:14
you. This is easy double welcome to
1:07:21
you. This is easy double.
1:07:29
Welcome to you on shoes and carbon plates.
1:07:31
Is it threshold or just steady pace?
1:07:33
World champs trials. Who's in shape, who's peaking
1:07:36
early, who's late to the gate? Storage from sessions that
1:07:38
nearly broke us and races that taught us patients to focus
1:07:41
serious goals. But we keep it light cause run
1:07:44
is better when it's shed right? No egos, no smoke, just miles
1:07:46
and true from club runners up to the world class music and
1:07:49
chasing times are just chasing fun.
1:07:51
You're already winning if you started the run.
1:07:53
Easy double. You should put your feet long
1:07:57
run miles of the commute Blues. We're right there running
1:08:00
alongside you. Easy double.
1:08:02
Same old crew, Deanie, join Ryan's walking the dude from the
1:08:05
first warm up to the final bell. This is easy double and you're
1:08:08
doing it well. This is easy double.
1:08:15
Welcome to you, and you're doing it well, brain.
1:08:29
Enough chat.