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Ray Crist - The Jaguar Path School · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, The New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice. How may combining ancient shamanic
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Speaker 1: wisdom with modern scientific understanding help individuals tap into their
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Speaker 1: inner strength, foster clarity, and cultivate a deeper connection to
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Speaker 1: themselves and the world around them. My guest this week
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Speaker 1: on Vox Novus, Ray Christ, is a globally recognized leader
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Speaker 1: in yoga and modern shamanism. Rooted in the Caro lineage.
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Speaker 1: As the founder of the Jaguar Path School of Modern
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Speaker 1: Shamanism and the Science of Healing, Ray is dedicated to
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Speaker 1: an academic and experiential approach to shamanism in the modern world.
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Speaker 1: His website is Jaguarpath dot com and he joins me
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Speaker 1: this week to share his amazing story of healing combining
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Speaker 1: Western medicine and science with shamanic wisdom. Please join me
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Speaker 1: in welcoming to Vox Novis Ray Christ.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, Ray, Hello Victor, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: Ray please share with us your early path and formative
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Speaker 1: years that started in the US and led you to Greece.
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Speaker 2: Huh, well, I'll try to fast forward going back, and
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Speaker 2: I mean born in the United States, but I was
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Speaker 2: born of an American father and a Greek mother. When
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Speaker 2: I was seven years old in nineteen seventy one, we
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Speaker 2: moved to Greece. I feel, looking back was probably the
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Speaker 2: romantic idea of my folks to live in a more exotic,
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Speaker 2: if you want country, and so as from seven years
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Speaker 2: old to forty, I essentially grew up in Greece and
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Speaker 2: identified if you want as Greek. Because of all the years,
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Speaker 2: and especially those.
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Speaker 1: Years your initial calling was as a photographer, and you
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Speaker 1: became a superstar fashion photographer with magazines like Vogue. How
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Speaker 1: did this unfold for you?
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Speaker 2: I had a love for arts. I had a love
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Speaker 2: for arts. I had a love for cinematography, and I
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Speaker 2: love for photography. I initially started studying cinematography and quickly
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Speaker 2: that quickly brought me into photography. I initially started as
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Speaker 2: a cameraman, and once I got behind the lenses of cameras,
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Speaker 2: I realized that photography is what I was really looking for,
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Speaker 2: And like you said, I was able to climb from
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Speaker 2: an assistant photographer in my early twenties to actually my
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Speaker 2: mid twenties who opened my own studio and by the
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Speaker 2: age of thirty have a really successful career that just
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Speaker 2: went fast up and all the way, like you said,
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Speaker 2: to vote, covers and all the magazines here in Greece
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Speaker 2: in Europe, and a lot of advertisements. So I was
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Speaker 2: in fashion and advertisement.
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Speaker 1: And what happened in two thousand and three that interrupted
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Speaker 1: your career and changed your life?
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Speaker 2: I was diagnosed with stage four cancer out of the blue.
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Speaker 2: I had some pains in a Maddomene area and I
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Speaker 2: just went in and said, well, I might as well
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Speaker 2: go for a check up. And what the doctors found
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Speaker 2: then was that I had cancer that was moving from
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Speaker 2: toneys in my two kidneys and my lungs and my liver.
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Speaker 2: And they said, I am, We're really sorry. What you
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Speaker 2: have is incurable and you're looking at about three months
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Speaker 2: of life.
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Speaker 1: What did your reaction, What was your reaction?
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Speaker 2: I was absolutely of course, I was absolutely devastated. At
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Speaker 2: the moment, I had just had my son who was
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Speaker 2: at the moment one year old, at one years old,
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Speaker 2: and I was absolutely devastated because I felt I was
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Speaker 2: in the beginning of my career. It was the beginning
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Speaker 2: of my life. A lot of things were at the beginning,
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Speaker 2: and to have such a short notice for such a
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Speaker 2: short time to live was very, very difficult to swallow.
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Speaker 1: Now, this happened when you were thirty nine years old.
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Speaker 1: Many people experience second chapters in their late thirties and
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Speaker 1: early forties. For you, this came the hard way. In retrospect.
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Speaker 1: Why cancer is the conduit for change.
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Speaker 2: I think any near death experience in the realization of
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Speaker 2: our mortality, brings us to face reality in a very
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Speaker 2: different way. It allowed me to allowed me, or forced me,
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Speaker 2: if you want to see that a lot of the
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Speaker 2: things that I felt that were priorities in my life,
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Speaker 2: a lot of the emotions that I had, a lot
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Speaker 2: of the everyday life warriors that I had really quickly
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Speaker 2: became became not priorities, became not so important, they lost
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Speaker 2: their importance. I realized that I was focusing on many
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Speaker 2: things that were just not that important. There were just
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Speaker 2: emotional turmoils about how I felt about some people, how
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Speaker 2: the stress I had about work, many things that I
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Speaker 2: feel that we kind of all do having our everyday
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Speaker 2: life in light of having ninety days to live. There
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Speaker 2: was a sense of realization that, so, how do I
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Speaker 2: want to spend these days in these minutes, because ninety
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Speaker 2: days you really quickly begin to count in minutes when
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Speaker 2: I want to spend my hour two hour? And again
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Speaker 2: there was a huge sudden shift of priorities and importance
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Speaker 2: to everything around me. A lot of things dropped out
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Speaker 2: from being important. There was a realization that I was
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Speaker 2: consuming too much time about emotions, about some feelings about relationships,
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Speaker 2: and I realized that what would be more important is
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Speaker 2: to be spending time with my infant son, and to
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Speaker 2: be spending more time in nature, and essentially especially that
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Speaker 2: like to come back to communing with nature as a
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Speaker 2: as a photographer. Till that point, I had spent more
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Speaker 2: than a good decade in studios, which means only technical light.
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Speaker 2: So and I would go there in seven in the
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Speaker 2: morning and leave at midnight. That was at ninety hour weeks.
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Speaker 2: But I could never really see the daylight, which perhaps
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Speaker 2: was yet another part that contributed to my disase.
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Speaker 1: How did this start your healing journey and what did
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Speaker 1: you learn during that time?
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Speaker 2: I decided to leave Greece and to come back to
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Speaker 2: the United States to take get a second opinion from JOHNS.
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Speaker 2: Hopkins and where I got basically this same diagnosis and
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Speaker 2: which came this time with only one sentence when I said, well,
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Speaker 2: is there anything that I could do? And the doctor
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Speaker 2: said you should take care of your affairs? That really
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Speaker 2: wants again and froze me and got me thinking, So,
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Speaker 2: what are my affairs? What do I have to take
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Speaker 2: care of? What is important? What should I do or
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Speaker 2: should be doing? I'll quickly say that they while they
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Speaker 2: said that that's what they were seeing, they asked me
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Speaker 2: if I was interested to take part in a study
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Speaker 2: at the National Institute of Health and NAH in Washington.
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Speaker 2: And my thought was like, well, if I'm dying, I
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Speaker 2: may as well be useful in a study. I'm useful
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Speaker 2: to humanity and become part of a study, and shortly after,
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Speaker 2: still a couple of months after, I'm still alive. This
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Speaker 2: is I've outlived those original three months that they had given.
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure that a lot had to do with
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Speaker 2: the absolute immediate change of lifestyle and food and quitting
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Speaker 2: smoking and quating drinking and beginning to do yoga and
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Speaker 2: beginning to eat more vegetarian based their foods. But I'll
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Speaker 2: fast forward and say, by two thousand and six, I've
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Speaker 2: had one surgery at the National Institute of Health. Excuse me.
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Speaker 2: Two thousand and five, I had one surgery at the
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Speaker 2: National instead of Health. And then shortly after a few
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Speaker 2: months later, I flew down to Peru in search of shamans,
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Speaker 2: because although I had under one surgery, they were giving
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Speaker 2: me no guarantees because of all the other tumors and
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Speaker 2: things they were seeing in my body.
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Speaker 1: And why Peru and why shamanism.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you say, I did travel through
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Speaker 2: Mexico prior to my to my surgery, and they're well,
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Speaker 2: two things. I'll start. I'll go a little further back
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Speaker 2: and say, when I was sixteen years old, somehow these
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Speaker 2: books of Carlos Costeneta fell in my hands. And Carlos
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Speaker 2: Casteneta was this anthropology just from UCLA when nineteen sixty
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Speaker 2: eight wrote his dissertation on medicinal plans and medicine plants,
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Speaker 2: and he went to Mexico to meet with the shaman
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Speaker 2: there to learn about the medicine plants, and he got
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Speaker 2: a lot more than just his dissertation. Carlos Castaneda was
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Speaker 2: a bestseller best selling author through the seventies and all
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Speaker 2: the way to mid eighties he died. We published more
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Speaker 2: than sixteen books on his apprenticeship with this shaman called
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Speaker 2: Don Juan Matus, So that from being sixteen years old
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Speaker 2: and seventeen years old and reading these books, I had
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Speaker 2: really I was really inspired. I was really a big
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Speaker 2: part of me. It was like, this is what I
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Speaker 2: should do in life like this, What is most important
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Speaker 2: than that to really understand how life works and is
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Speaker 2: what is in the unseeing world? Remember I used to
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Speaker 2: call it in my in my mind, is just what
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Speaker 2: are the what's behind the scaffoldings Like I'm seeing the
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Speaker 2: blue sky, I'm seeing this around me, but what's behind
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Speaker 2: it the greater picture of what creates this? And I
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Speaker 2: really was mesmerized by it. But by the time I
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Speaker 2: became eighteen nineteen, I also got mesmorized by a photography
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Speaker 2: a motorcycle and life in the city and got taken
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Speaker 2: for that ride, which I really thoroughly enjoyed. But again,
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Speaker 2: when I was I came to that halt. What came
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Speaker 2: up for me is it's like, oh, I did not
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Speaker 2: follow that route when I was young, I wanted to
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Speaker 2: become a shaman, and I just let that go. And
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Speaker 2: I should have done that, and so it reawakened. It reawakened,
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Speaker 2: and hence I traveled to Mexico, where I found many healers.
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Speaker 2: Just didn't really hit it off with someone to feel
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Speaker 2: that they would be my teachers. And after my surgery
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Speaker 2: and my age, I knew and I've heard that there
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Speaker 2: were a lot of shamans in Peru. So I chose Peru.
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Speaker 1: And tell us about the lineage of those shamans.
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Speaker 2: I've worked with two or three lineages. The main lineage
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Speaker 2: that I work with is called Caro, the Carro nations people.
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Speaker 2: They live up in the Andes. They live in the
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Speaker 2: Sacred Valley and above the Caros. When the conquistadors arrived
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Speaker 2: in Peru, in the Sacred Valley, the Carows saw the
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Speaker 2: conquiser doors and shamans that they were. They said, this
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Speaker 2: is not going to lead to anything good. They will
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Speaker 2: wipe us all out. So the Carro people took off
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Speaker 2: and went higher than the Sacred Valley and higher them
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Speaker 2: Couse go to sixteen and eighteen thousand feet and created
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Speaker 2: their villages and lived there in Cognito, away from everything
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Speaker 2: for more than five hundred years. For they've started actually
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Speaker 2: come close to five years. Yeah, no, wonder for a
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Speaker 2: one hundred years. They started coming down to the Sacred
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Speaker 2: Valley only in the early seventies. And characteristically one of
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Speaker 2: my teachers and beloved, a friend and brother, I have
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Speaker 2: to say now, all these years later, sixteen years, eighteen
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Speaker 2: years later, having raised my son and watching him raise
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Speaker 2: his kids, and still very close together, connected, we were
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Speaker 2: always in touch, and he actually said to him to
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Speaker 2: me that it was just wild for him the first
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Speaker 2: time he came down from the mountains to Cusco, Peru
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Speaker 2: to see a car and to see electricity and running water,
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Speaker 2: because they missed all that. Of course, we also missed
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Speaker 2: the swords of the conquistators who literally wiped out almost
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Speaker 2: every person that lived in the Sacred Valley. And beyond
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Speaker 2: the genocide that happened from South Mexico all the way
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Speaker 2: down to Patagonia is essentially ketchu Us speaking cultures who
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Speaker 2: held the same lineage with the Caros, and that lineage
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Speaker 2: is a lineage that believes that bows to Pacha Mama.
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Speaker 2: It's for me looking at it, you know, I now
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Speaker 2: and we'll get into that with a shamanism in a bit.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that that will come up as a question.
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Speaker 2: But they are naturalists, so having lived another five hundred
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Speaker 2: years more than us still in those primitive ways that
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Speaker 2: people lived, humanity lived millennia ago, it was astonishing. And
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Speaker 2: they preserve the language, They preserve the cosmology the Inca preserved,
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Speaker 2: so they're essentially these are the descendants of the Inca.
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Speaker 2: They were the Inca healers, the healers of the Incas,
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Speaker 2: and they preserved three main things. The astrology that the
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Speaker 2: cosmology under which essentially is described by the astrology, the
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Speaker 2: physiology of human beings, and the psychology.
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Speaker 1: You would mentioned pacha mama. For those not familiar with
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Speaker 1: the word, please translate pacha mama.
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Speaker 2: Well, we all know what mama means. It's mother, Pacha mama.
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Speaker 2: Pacha means Pacha means all time and all things and everything.
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Speaker 2: So they refer to the planet as a mother that
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Speaker 2: is all time, in other words, all existence and the
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Speaker 2: foundation of their cosmology and their ceremonies and everything they
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Speaker 2: go about. The lineage itself is that an acknowledgment, a
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Speaker 2: realization that the first thing we must acknowledge and must
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Speaker 2: respect and is our planet, our mother Earth. Mother Earth
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Speaker 2: is the mother of all things and all beings, from
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Speaker 2: plants to animals, to us. Everything that exists on the
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Speaker 2: planet is born of the planet. So their belief system,
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Speaker 2: if you want, or the cosmology I should say, is
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Speaker 2: a study of nature and how things are born and
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Speaker 2: how things live, from again plants to mammals, and in
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Speaker 2: plants and mammals, in mammals, I'll include us.
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Speaker 1: So you went to Peru, you were dealing with the cancer.
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Speaker 1: How did you heal?
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Speaker 2: There were several channels that work with and there was
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Speaker 2: many times that I said to me, inside my heart
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Speaker 2: it says like, Okay, this is it. This is what
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Speaker 2: really made me heal, and this is one thing that
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Speaker 2: I wanted to I always stress out. Remember that I
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Speaker 2: said that I did a surgery in the Nationalist of Health,
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Speaker 2: and I know very well that without that surgery I
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Speaker 2: would not be alive today. Yet if I had done
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Speaker 2: that surgery and returned back to being a photographer, returned
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Speaker 2: back to that lifestyle that led me to cancer, it
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Speaker 2: is absolutely clear that cancer would recure and that I
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Speaker 2: would I would die. But the fact that I studied
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Speaker 2: with the Shamans allowed me to change the way I think,
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Speaker 2: to change the way I view the world, and allowed
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Speaker 2: me to basically to basically heal, absolutely heal. It was
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Speaker 2: astounding and great the fact that I would work with
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Speaker 2: the Shamans after my surgery. It is protocol from most hospitals,
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Speaker 2: but definitely for the end of age that after post off,
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Speaker 2: I would initially go and do cats cancerries every three
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Speaker 2: months for the first two years. Then it became maybe
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Speaker 2: six months for another two years, and it became once
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Speaker 2: a year for another several years. So we were watching
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Speaker 2: in cat skins and MRIs things tumors, namely begin to
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Speaker 2: get smaller and to disappear. Characteristically, my doctor message and said,
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Speaker 2: whatever it is you're doing, keep on doing it. I
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Speaker 2: never shared the totality of what I was doing, but
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Speaker 2: definitely what I did do is change who I was
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Speaker 2: I and in all this going from doctors to doctors,
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Speaker 2: from hospital to hospital, the initial months or over a
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Speaker 2: year was this place where I had lost my power
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Speaker 2: and I was just hoping that these other people could
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Speaker 2: allow me and help me to live. When I was
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Speaker 2: in Peru and I found myself in front of Don
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Speaker 2: Francisco who is my belove, that one my beloved teachers.
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Speaker 2: And as I said, I consider him, consider my brother father,
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Speaker 2: I consider him family. Of course. I that's gratitude towards
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Speaker 2: him and his lineage. I was in front of him
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Speaker 2: and I literally fell on my knees and said, don't Francisco,
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Speaker 2: please save me. I have cancer. I have a one
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Speaker 2: year old boy, a two year old boy at that
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Speaker 2: time back home, and I want to live to raise
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Speaker 2: this child. And he probably helped me stand up and
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Speaker 2: he said, I can't heal you, but I can train
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Speaker 2: you to become a shaman and you get to heal yourself.
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Speaker 2: And that was an amazing turning point because it was
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Speaker 2: the first time in all that that I was going through.
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Speaker 2: It was the first time that I stood on my
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Speaker 2: own feet. Literally I stood up and said, okay, I
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Speaker 2: have a say in this. There's something I can do.
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Speaker 2: And so I said, okay, I will become I will
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Speaker 2: become your best student.
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Speaker 1: So you went from someone who had no hope to
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Speaker 1: someone who was given a new opportunity and new hope.
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Speaker 1: And that new hope was from within.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, and that new hope was created. The shift
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Speaker 2: in my mentality was you know, we tend to think that,
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Speaker 2: we tend to say, oh, I'm sick, let me see
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Speaker 2: what the doctor says, and doctors who are I bless
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Speaker 2: all the doctors and all the nurses. I am grateful
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Speaker 2: to all of those who helped me. Grateful, grateful, grateful.
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Speaker 2: Without them, I would not be alive. And one thing
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Speaker 2: is I'm grateful to us for the humanity the way
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Speaker 2: they treated me. There's just this beautiful it's just really humane,
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Speaker 2: very humane. All my interactions with the doctors and nurses
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Speaker 2: and the hospitals were were fantastic. We're beyond what I
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Speaker 2: or imagined. Yet doctors have protocols and they must it's
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Speaker 2: just the way that it's set up, and they have
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Speaker 2: to rely on their studies, and they have to rely
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Speaker 2: on what they know. So what they knew was what
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Speaker 2: they knew. They didn't know other opinions and what other
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Speaker 2: people like the Shamans of Peru or Shamans in any
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Speaker 2: other part of the world would share. So there was
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Speaker 2: a shift there. And what I'm saying, the more important
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Speaker 2: thing is that I had given my power up to
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Speaker 2: everyone else, to the doctors, a specialist, and I'd put
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Speaker 2: myself in a place of being a victim of all this.
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Speaker 2: The moment that Don Francisco said I can't help you.
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Speaker 2: On one hand, I can't heal you. On one hand,
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Speaker 2: my heart sank. But on the other hand, when he
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Speaker 2: finished the sentence and said, but I can train you
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Speaker 2: to become a shaman and you can heal yourself, that
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Speaker 2: allowed me to say, Oh, it was the first time
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Speaker 2: that I stepped into assuming responsibility and knowing that I
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Speaker 2: could play a role in this. I could be not
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Speaker 2: the victim, but if anything, a hero trying. Even if
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Speaker 2: I would die, at least I would die trying.
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Speaker 1: As they say in the chapter in Luke, healer, heal thyself.
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Speaker 1: And that was the lesson you took.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: My guest is Ray Christ. He's the founder of the
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Speaker 1: jaguar Path School of Modern Shamanism and the Science of Healing.
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Speaker 1: Ray please share with our listeners where they can find
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can find our school at Jaguarpath dot com
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Speaker 1: Back on Box Novus, my guest this week is Ray Christ.
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Speaker 1: Ray is the founder of the Jaguar Path School of
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Speaker 1: Modern Shamanism and the Science of Healing. So right, you
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Speaker 1: were talking about your development with Don Francisco. Tell us more, please, Victor.
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Speaker 2: What happened is once I started studying with Don Francis school,
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Speaker 2: he also led me in and allowed me and you
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Speaker 2: want in many ways to visit with other shamans from
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Speaker 2: other lineages. So through my process of studying with these shamans,
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Speaker 2: I quickly came to a moment and I was actually
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Speaker 2: invited within the second I wouldn't say the second year
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Speaker 2: of my apprenticeship with Den Francisco, he said to me,
24:38
Speaker 2: now that you've healed, I would come. I would come
24:41
Speaker 2: back to him with a great news about my cat's
24:43
Speaker 2: cancerdaaries that we're looking great. He said, well, now that
24:46
Speaker 2: you've healed, you have to pay it forward, and if
24:48
Speaker 2: you want to remain healed, you can't be selfish. You
24:51
Speaker 2: can't keep this to yourself. You have to teach this
24:56
Speaker 2: with the rest of the world. And my initial reaction
25:00
Speaker 2: and is like, but how am I going to teach this?
25:02
Speaker 2: I'm this white person from Europe and the United States?
25:05
Speaker 2: How could I teach this? And he, humorously, many times
25:11
Speaker 2: his reactions were humorously answered, teach it in English. Of course,
25:16
Speaker 2: I quickly understood that what he meant is it teaches
25:18
Speaker 2: it in a way that has received, that it's understood,
25:22
Speaker 2: that it makes sense. And what really made sense, And
25:28
Speaker 2: now being in this space of having the Jaguar Path
25:33
Speaker 2: School for so many years, who were close to seven
25:37
Speaker 2: and more than seventeen years or so, approaching seventeen, I
25:43
Speaker 2: know very well that these tools that these people use
25:47
Speaker 2: that are thousands, literally thousands of years old, have a
25:50
Speaker 2: foundation and being psychotherapeutic tools. Everything that he led me
25:56
Speaker 2: to is like, so, what are your pains that led
25:58
Speaker 2: you to the bitterness betrayals that you've felt in your
26:02
Speaker 2: life that made you feel that you lose interest or
26:06
Speaker 2: trust in life? What are the relationships in the past
26:10
Speaker 2: that you'd like to cut chords with to not hold
26:13
Speaker 2: you back anymore? So, tool after tool after tool, they
26:17
Speaker 2: were all absolutely and are psychotherapeutic tools that come in
26:21
Speaker 2: with metaphor, that come in with a rattle if you
26:23
Speaker 2: want with them as a metaphor, feathers and you know,
26:26
Speaker 2: people laugh about this. It's like, oh, these feathers and
26:28
Speaker 2: these rattles and shaman and scammon, and it's like, sure,
26:35
Speaker 2: there's a lot of shamans out there that are in
26:37
Speaker 2: it for the money, and a lot of Salmans that
26:39
Speaker 2: are tourist shamans. But there's a lot of doctors out
26:43
Speaker 2: there that are in for the money. Also, there's a
26:46
Speaker 2: lot of people in every profession that are in it
26:48
Speaker 2: for the money, and then you go and you see
26:50
Speaker 2: some doctors that are really genuinely, genuinely interested in saving
26:55
Speaker 2: lives and helping people. And it's the same thing with shamans.
26:58
Speaker 2: There's some people that are genuinely my personality, genuinely interested
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Speaker 2: in and do everything to do so, like don't fancays go,
27:06
Speaker 2: who I would say is a renowned shaman. So I
27:09
Speaker 2: created the Jagger Path on a download from my Somanic
27:12
Speaker 2: journey as I was instructed to do a nine month
27:15
Speaker 2: training symbolizing the rebirth legistation period where one is reborn,
27:20
Speaker 2: and it's really clear understanding also through Chinese medicine that
27:24
Speaker 2: in nine months is every nine months we kind of
27:27
Speaker 2: like restructure our nervous system. There's major hardware shifts if
27:33
Speaker 2: you want. And so I've created the Jaguar Path School
27:37
Speaker 2: of Modern Chamanism and the Science of Healing based on
27:41
Speaker 2: all of these teachings, but also have included some other
27:44
Speaker 2: things that from Chinese, come from Chinese medicine, that come
27:49
Speaker 2: from yoga, that come from a juverta and I brought
27:52
Speaker 2: together eighteen tools which were the most powerful tools that
27:56
Speaker 2: I feel that I know had an impact on actually healing,
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Speaker 2: actually saving me from death itself. So we do nine
28:08
Speaker 2: months and we meet one weekend a month, so we
28:11
Speaker 2: have nine weekend The course is nine weekends. Registrations are
28:16
Speaker 2: still open. We just started, so anyone jumps in is
28:19
Speaker 2: still in the early stages and can get their recordings
28:22
Speaker 2: and continue with us. And what I've seen is just
28:27
Speaker 2: a beautiful, beautiful community that is built around and people
28:31
Speaker 2: of all sorts, from doctors and therapists to body workers,
28:35
Speaker 2: to yoga teachers, to social workers, and people just simply
28:40
Speaker 2: curious or just simply wanting to find a way to
28:44
Speaker 2: heal themselves. So we've created these groups every year of
28:49
Speaker 2: this community that I think takes a beautiful deep dive
28:53
Speaker 2: into what does it mean to be human? You know,
28:58
Speaker 2: and having Greek roots, I still have that curious mind
29:03
Speaker 2: of what Socrates said. It's like who said, know thyself,
29:07
Speaker 2: and you shall know the secrets of the gods and
29:10
Speaker 2: the whole universe. And through my shamanic studies, in my
29:14
Speaker 2: yoga studies, I began to realize what that meant, know
29:17
Speaker 2: thyself and you shall know the secrets of the gods
29:20
Speaker 2: and the whole universe. I used to naively think that
29:22
Speaker 2: these people thought that you'll know the secrets of gods
29:26
Speaker 2: that there's twelve gods up there. And there there's a
29:29
Speaker 2: naivety in our modern society to think that the ancient
29:33
Speaker 2: ones were so naive that they believed that there were
29:35
Speaker 2: twelve gods in the mountain Olimbus, and that's just simply
29:38
Speaker 2: not true. Just like the cosmology of the Incas, the
29:44
Speaker 2: cosmology ancient cosmologies really look at the nature of things.
29:48
Speaker 2: So the twelve gods, six men, six women symbolize the
29:51
Speaker 2: feminine masculine. Each one of them symbolized elements of nature.
29:55
Speaker 2: Who simply put it in the mythology if you want,
29:58
Speaker 2: so we can understand nature, and that Socrates, what I
30:03
Speaker 2: understood is ignoring thyself. I always thought that man is like, ah,
30:06
Speaker 2: who's Ray, And what's my personality about it? And it's
30:08
Speaker 2: not that at all. I know thyself means know what
30:11
Speaker 2: you are. So I'm a human being, and what does
30:13
Speaker 2: that mean? It means that I have a body, that
30:16
Speaker 2: I have a nervous system, that I have a meridian system,
30:19
Speaker 2: my internal organs, and my endocrine system. And the more
30:22
Speaker 2: you begin to study all this, just like when I
30:27
Speaker 2: was diagnosed and all those things that are considered important
30:30
Speaker 2: to know the emotions and all these things that really
30:33
Speaker 2: drove me either angry or sad, or this or that.
30:36
Speaker 2: This is those fellop off, fellop fell away. I've come
30:42
Speaker 2: to realize that it's not my personality I really want
30:45
Speaker 2: to focus on to understand who I am. But by
30:48
Speaker 2: understanding my physiology and my neurology, my endocrine system, I'm
30:54
Speaker 2: beginning to understand how and what I am. And that
31:00
Speaker 2: makes things very different because if I can see how
31:04
Speaker 2: does the body get angry, where does anger live, and
31:08
Speaker 2: how do we store it in the body, and how
31:09
Speaker 2: is it processed by the brain, then I'm beginning to
31:13
Speaker 2: feel in a very different way about anger, because it
31:18
Speaker 2: is one thing. Say well, I'm angry with so and
31:20
Speaker 2: so they cut me off in the highway. Now I'm
31:22
Speaker 2: angry at this person, or they spoke bad to me
31:24
Speaker 2: in front of other people, and I'm angry at this person. Well, okay,
31:27
Speaker 2: that's an emotion you're having. But you don't know yourself
31:30
Speaker 2: until you know where does anger happen in your nervous system,
31:35
Speaker 2: What is making you feel agitated, and what, more often
31:41
Speaker 2: than not, what really makes you hostage of it? Because
31:46
Speaker 2: I realized that was hostage to anger and to animosity
31:49
Speaker 2: and to sadness sorrows. I was a hostage to so
31:53
Speaker 2: many emotions that I was pointing a finger's left and
31:58
Speaker 2: right to people that created it. And my blame to
32:03
Speaker 2: them was just keep on giving fuel to it. And
32:07
Speaker 2: as my emotions would rise, so my blame would rise.
32:11
Speaker 2: And I was horses of a situation which was not
32:15
Speaker 2: who I was. It was not who I was at all.
32:18
Speaker 2: It was just what I was trapped in. And we
32:22
Speaker 2: of looking at the world through Western the Western mentality
32:27
Speaker 2: of saying, well, this is just, and this isn't just,
32:29
Speaker 2: and this is how we will revenge, and this is
32:32
Speaker 2: how we what we hold is an emotion and right
32:35
Speaker 2: or wrong. But I took a deeper dive beyond all that,
32:39
Speaker 2: beyond right or wrong, beyond injustices, beyond, and took a
32:43
Speaker 2: deeper dive into the nature with these men and women
32:46
Speaker 2: of power. And the Jaguar Path is essentially a big
32:51
Speaker 2: deep dive into understanding, understanding how our internal organs dictate
32:57
Speaker 2: our emotions, you know, and I, and how we can
33:01
Speaker 2: change them. How old stories trauma, trauma, trauma, the emotions
33:05
Speaker 2: and traumas that we have that are absolutely valid and
33:08
Speaker 2: absolutely natural mammalian emotions that have anger, disappointment, feeling, betrayal.
33:15
Speaker 2: These are valid, valid, absolutely valid emotions. But there's one
33:19
Speaker 2: thing for an emotion to be valid, and it's another
33:21
Speaker 2: thing for an emotion to just take over and hijack
33:25
Speaker 2: my entire life. It's like saying someone, we wake up
33:28
Speaker 2: in the morning and you're going to work and you're
33:30
Speaker 2: having a beautiful day. You just had an awesome breakfast,
33:33
Speaker 2: it's a sunny day, and someone cuts you off the
33:35
Speaker 2: highway and you get so upset that you let that
33:41
Speaker 2: destroy that beautiful sensation you had in emotion and essentially
33:45
Speaker 2: let that destroy the rest of your day and sometimes
33:49
Speaker 2: more than a day. And it's exactly what we do.
33:52
Speaker 2: We have beef with our like ex wife, I feel people,
33:55
Speaker 2: I see people like I had this with my ex wife.
33:58
Speaker 2: It's like ten years later, people talk about it like
34:00
Speaker 2: and my ex wife did so and so because my
34:03
Speaker 2: ex wife is a bad person, and they stay stop
34:07
Speaker 2: we do. We do, And it's natural because we do
34:09
Speaker 2: not have other escapes or any other way of thinking
34:12
Speaker 2: of this. And here's a beautiful thing is that Carl
34:17
Speaker 2: Jung The Great Cycle analysts and psychotherapists visited with shamans
34:23
Speaker 2: and brought several of the tools into his office and
34:27
Speaker 2: actually referred to the shamans and especially to the shamans
34:31
Speaker 2: of China, and because the shamans around the whole world,
34:34
Speaker 2: Shamanism is every form of healing before the Middle Ages,
34:39
Speaker 2: where we created medicine and as we know it. But
34:43
Speaker 2: we can get back to that then, I would say,
34:44
Speaker 2: Carl Jung call this, call this uncommon sense. And he
34:50
Speaker 2: said that people people full hostages in common sense. And
34:54
Speaker 2: if everyone says, oh, well, you should be angry at
34:56
Speaker 2: your ex wife, or you should be angry at a
34:58
Speaker 2: person cutting off, you should yell let someone disagreed with you,
35:02
Speaker 2: then you follow this common sense, and this common sense
35:05
Speaker 2: keeps you trapped. Where when you go into a deeper
35:10
Speaker 2: dive and you investigate and study emotions and how they
35:15
Speaker 2: work in the body and how they're secreted by the
35:17
Speaker 2: promon system, from the endocrine system, from the glands, how
35:20
Speaker 2: they move through the blood, and how they affect your mind,
35:26
Speaker 2: then you begin to see some other ideas and like
35:29
Speaker 2: Carl Jung said it, you come into this space of
35:33
Speaker 2: uncommon sense. Someone caught me off in the highway, and
35:36
Speaker 2: I'm like, bless you. I hope you arrive home safe
35:39
Speaker 2: because obviously you're not paying attention. And I retain my center,
35:44
Speaker 2: my being, my beautiful day. You look back in a
35:48
Speaker 2: relationship and I say, okay, well, here's a tool that
35:51
Speaker 2: is amazing and has helped the thousands of people that
35:53
Speaker 2: I work with cord cutting. And you know, anyone out
35:57
Speaker 2: there listening, do you have a thing that you get
35:59
Speaker 2: upset whenever you hear the word ex wife or ex husband.
36:03
Speaker 2: Probably is when I cut chords with my ex wife,
36:06
Speaker 2: and I didn't have that energetic chord holding me and
36:09
Speaker 2: tugging me. All of a sudden, all the emotions that
36:12
Speaker 2: this chord was tugging and pulling were not there. They
36:16
Speaker 2: were not triggered, they were not up I didn't have
36:18
Speaker 2: to think of my ex wife and get upset on
36:21
Speaker 2: random days and evenings and would just come up to
36:25
Speaker 2: my mind and then I would just be in a
36:26
Speaker 2: bad mood. So I cut chords with her and I
36:31
Speaker 2: was free of that. And characteristically, especially with cutting chords,
36:35
Speaker 2: Don Francisco said, well, now you because you had all
36:38
Speaker 2: those chords pulling on you, now that they're not pulling
36:41
Speaker 2: of you. You got five percent of your energy back,
36:43
Speaker 2: and you can use this five percent of your energy
36:46
Speaker 2: to actually put it to your immune system, to put
36:49
Speaker 2: it into fighting and releasing this cancer. So tool after
36:54
Speaker 2: tool after tool, all of these tools are psychotherapeutic, are
36:59
Speaker 2: teaching us how the body functions, and are teaching us
37:02
Speaker 2: our relationship with society and how we fall easily into
37:08
Speaker 2: You know, we want to be a part of community.
37:10
Speaker 2: We want to be a part of our society. So
37:12
Speaker 2: we not only fall easily, we make sure that we
37:16
Speaker 2: abide by the collective conscious ideas of rights and wrongs
37:22
Speaker 2: of blame, and we live a life that is dictated
37:26
Speaker 2: by that. And although it could be a community or society,
37:30
Speaker 2: could be a whole country, or it could be the
37:31
Speaker 2: whole Western world or whatever it is, we are. We
37:35
Speaker 2: are now narrow minded and we live a life that's
37:38
Speaker 2: dictated by some points of references that are outside of us.
37:43
Speaker 2: And i'll close or to to this point that what
37:47
Speaker 2: happened and the biggest shift that happened inside me during
37:51
Speaker 2: this process of studying and being going through healing processes
37:57
Speaker 2: with the Shamans, with the Caros of Peru, was that
38:01
Speaker 2: I moved from reference to reverence, reverence awoken inside me,
38:07
Speaker 2: my reverence to the Mother Earth, to the planet, reverence
38:11
Speaker 2: to giving offerings to the planet, which till then, as
38:15
Speaker 2: a fashion Vogue fashion photographer, I thought was innocent in
38:20
Speaker 2: best case or or you know, limited, And I realized that,
38:26
Speaker 2: you know, the Vogue fashion photographer me back then, where's
38:30
Speaker 2: the one that was limited and innocent or naive? Because
38:35
Speaker 2: when we go into reverence, and when we take a
38:38
Speaker 2: moment to stop and say thank you Mother Earth, what
38:41
Speaker 2: happens is we go into gratitude. And what does that
38:44
Speaker 2: mean too? That's another emotion, like totally opposite from anger.
38:48
Speaker 2: When I go into gratitude, my whole endocrine system shifts oxytocin.
38:54
Speaker 2: All these beautiful happiness hormones, all these beautiful empowerment to
38:58
Speaker 2: my system begin to really flow through my blood flow
39:04
Speaker 2: and begin to create a new reality inside me and
39:08
Speaker 2: around me.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful. Thank you for sharing that. I'm have tears in
39:14
Speaker 1: my eyes from your shearing just now, because you've hit
39:16
Speaker 1: on vake virtually every truth there is in terms of
39:19
Speaker 1: our relationship with the Earth, our relationship with one another,
39:23
Speaker 1: and especially our relationship with ourselves. Let's keep going rather
39:26
Speaker 1: than stop. As we approach twenty twenty five, in what
39:32
Speaker 1: ways may shamanism bring calm and clarity to the new year.
39:39
Speaker 2: Shamanism is not an old way, as many people think.
39:43
Speaker 2: I'll start by saying, when I ventured out to find
39:45
Speaker 2: the summons, I thought I was going to be, I
39:47
Speaker 2: was looking for something that was rare and was almost
39:49
Speaker 2: going to extinct. That is by far not the truth.
39:53
Speaker 2: It is rare and extinct in Europe and in the
39:57
Speaker 2: United States because there was the the witch hunt and
40:03
Speaker 2: the massacre of tens of hundreds of thousands of people.
40:06
Speaker 2: Anyone who would say I light a fire to honor
40:10
Speaker 2: my ancestors, anyone that would get cap mile for their
40:14
Speaker 2: upset belly and peppermint for their congested chess now. Shamanism
40:23
Speaker 2: is the deepest science in the study of the human kind,
40:27
Speaker 2: and it is a study, as I said earlier, in physiology, psychology,
40:32
Speaker 2: and astrology. So as we move into twenty twenty five,
40:36
Speaker 2: I think it is now more important than ever for
40:40
Speaker 2: us to return to start studying ourselves all of the
40:44
Speaker 2: systems in what we're seeing, you know, in this sense
40:47
Speaker 2: of things falling apart, that I could easily say that
40:51
Speaker 2: we're witnessing around the world, around the systems of the
40:56
Speaker 2: Western world. It is a result of us moving away
41:00
Speaker 2: from our nature, moving away from nature first of all,
41:03
Speaker 2: building our cities, building technology. And don't get me wrong,
41:06
Speaker 2: I love technology, and I love my car and my motorcycle,
41:09
Speaker 2: my iPhone, everything, But there's ways that we could perhaps
41:13
Speaker 2: turn back into using them and understanding that those are
41:16
Speaker 2: points of references. There is no Reverence should come first,
41:22
Speaker 2: and reverence comes in becoming pragmatic and becoming real. And
41:27
Speaker 2: I want to make this point because it's really important
41:31
Speaker 2: for us. I know, and I've met people who believe
41:34
Speaker 2: in alternative medicine only in this say I will never
41:38
Speaker 2: go to a hospital. I will never go to a doctor.
41:40
Speaker 2: And I say, that is the wrong way of viewing things.
41:42
Speaker 2: You should get a cat scum, you should get in
41:44
Speaker 2: a maria, you should be in the case of an accent,
41:48
Speaker 2: you want to rush the hospital. They will save your life.
41:51
Speaker 2: And then I meet people on the other side wire saying, well,
41:54
Speaker 2: the modern science of medicine now and the hospital is
41:57
Speaker 2: the only thing. And I will never go to a
41:59
Speaker 2: to a to a shaman, a yogi or a tai
42:02
Speaker 2: Chi master, I will always only do medisone and I said,
42:05
Speaker 2: well that's not the way. Well, these are halfways of
42:08
Speaker 2: looking at things, so like using both and talking about
42:12
Speaker 2: why it's important to bring shamanism and not excluding Western medicine.
42:16
Speaker 2: When we say come back to being shamanic, I'm saying,
42:20
Speaker 2: use everything that you have at your hands and your
42:23
Speaker 2: disposal to heal yourself. May that be some Western medicine,
42:26
Speaker 2: maybe a hospital, maybe a doctor checked out, So all
42:29
Speaker 2: those things are important to do and keep on monitoring
42:32
Speaker 2: yourself and knowing where you're at. But when you start
42:35
Speaker 2: bringing the shamanic at least these samanic tools that we
42:38
Speaker 2: teach at the Jaguar Path are about okay, well where
42:42
Speaker 2: was I hurt when I was young? How can I
42:44
Speaker 2: heal that? Because that's taking up what we say is
42:48
Speaker 2: I see clearly is that the shamans view two things.
42:53
Speaker 2: One is the hardware, what's really in our nervous system
42:58
Speaker 2: and in our intecrit system has created a pattern and
43:01
Speaker 2: is there and just replay as a cassette. And that's
43:06
Speaker 2: the hardware. And then there's a software, which is how
43:09
Speaker 2: do I think and process the world in my everyday life.
43:12
Speaker 2: So if in my hardware and that if I have
43:15
Speaker 2: a glitch in my software, I have a glitch. These
43:18
Speaker 2: glitches software and hardware are going to make me see
43:23
Speaker 2: and view the world not in an absolutely correct way.
43:27
Speaker 2: I won't have my if you want my whole with
43:31
Speaker 2: bandwidth to process things, but rather I will have a
43:35
Speaker 2: skewed way of seeing things because I had trauma in
43:39
Speaker 2: the past, because I was hurt by my ex wife
43:42
Speaker 2: or whoever, my ex husband. For all these reasons, I
43:47
Speaker 2: walk around with bob wire around me, with defense systems
43:52
Speaker 2: that I now call values, and I think their values.
43:55
Speaker 2: I am totally unaware that they're playing these programs as
43:58
Speaker 2: software and with my brain, which means that when I
44:02
Speaker 2: show up in a room and there's twenty people, I
44:04
Speaker 2: am already predisposed and cate people that might remind me
44:08
Speaker 2: of my ex wife, Rick's husband, fearful of my people
44:12
Speaker 2: that may remind me of that person that hurt me
44:15
Speaker 2: and created trauma in my younger life. And I have
44:19
Speaker 2: all these that are essentially I go around and I
44:22
Speaker 2: have this recognition pattern system like we've created this recently,
44:28
Speaker 2: even more so in the past few years. In technology,
44:30
Speaker 2: the recognition pattern recognition and face identification. So we had
44:36
Speaker 2: this inside this and that's why we created it. So
44:38
Speaker 2: when we see people, when we meet someone to say hey, Hi,
44:41
Speaker 2: Hi Victor, Hi John, Hi Mary. In the moment we
44:45
Speaker 2: shake hands, the moment we look at each other, we
44:47
Speaker 2: have a predisposition to this person that is pre loaded
44:50
Speaker 2: and that is in the glitch of my software or
44:52
Speaker 2: in my hardware.
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Speaker 1: Fascinating. My guest is Ray christ He's the founder of
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Speaker 1: Back on Vox Novus, My guest this week is Ray
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Speaker 1: christ He's the founder of the Jaguar Path School of
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Speaker 1: modern Shamanism and the science of healing. You were talking
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Speaker 1: about carrying forth those reactions to people who have hurt
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Speaker 1: you in your life. How may these tools be applied
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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: The idea of going into twenty twenty five and the
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Speaker 2: most modern times ever with usually one of the most
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Speaker 2: ancient tools ever, is that I can become real. I
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Speaker 2: can awaken to myself heal these patterns. So what happens
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Speaker 2: is when I put all these defense systems down and
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Speaker 2: all these bob wires down, I begin to have a
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Speaker 2: view of life and if there's someone that may be
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Speaker 2: liable to hurt me, to cheat some one another, or
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Speaker 2: try to rob me of money or or anything in
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Speaker 2: any in any form of way. And I am living
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Speaker 2: now in the space of a wider and broader perception
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Speaker 2: and discernment that not only can I see it from
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Speaker 2: a mile away, you know, they call the soun of
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Speaker 2: the shaman's sears because they see energy. Not only can
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Speaker 2: I see the energy from a mile away, I can
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Speaker 2: also see where coming it's coming from. So I said
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Speaker 2: that the person that was that insulted me and hurt
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Speaker 2: me and did this and that, And they try to
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Speaker 2: and they say, now it's like, oh, ray, I don't
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Speaker 2: like your yoga or I don't like this. I do
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Speaker 2: not take any insult. But I can see through where
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Speaker 2: they are coming from. What is the glitch in their software,
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Speaker 2: what is the pain in their body and where is
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Speaker 2: it held in their body? Why are they behaving aggressively
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Speaker 2: towards other people. Why are people passive aggressive or straight
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Speaker 2: out aggressive? So there's a there's a place of a
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Speaker 2: space of seat of discernment and clarity that comes in
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Speaker 2: an automatic forgiveness in an amatic space for others to
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Speaker 2: be where they're at. Because a hurt person, you know,
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Speaker 2: those are the bad people. That bad people are not
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Speaker 2: just bad because they decided they're going to be bad.
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Speaker 2: They're people that have been hurt and they're trying to
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Speaker 2: somehow men they're hurt by rain, pain to others to
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Speaker 2: maybe see who knows, maybe see how they others others respond.
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Speaker 2: But whatever it is, once you go through these tools,
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Speaker 2: and especially again in this nine months training, the nine
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Speaker 2: weekends that we go to this deep psychotherapeutic place, we
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Speaker 2: just start plucking these out. And because it's because it's
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Speaker 2: it's we're talking about mechanisms of the hardware. Really don't
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Speaker 2: go deep into story like psychotherapy does or not, like
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Speaker 2: most psychotherapies doesn't do. It's like we don't stain in
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Speaker 2: this story. It's like tell me when you were heard
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Speaker 2: and then I was this years old and dead, and
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Speaker 2: people just will there's a tendency for people to go
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Speaker 2: to therapists and again, therapists are great when they're great,
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Speaker 2: because not all of them are like. Not all doctors
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Speaker 2: are like, not all shamans are like, not all car
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Speaker 2: mechanics are They're not all great. But when we go
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Speaker 2: into the healing methodology that I teach, that I share
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Speaker 2: through the Jaguar Path training, what we look at is
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Speaker 2: how we take these triggers out. Because whatever story happened
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Speaker 2: to me is a story that happened in nineteen seventy,
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty, it's just not here anymore. And if
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Speaker 2: I just keep on mulching at mulching at, mulching it
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Speaker 2: and don't allow myself to let it go at this point,
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Speaker 2: at this point, I am holding myself back perpetrator, not
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Speaker 2: the person that created the trauma. It was wrong. I
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Speaker 2: am right to feel that way, absolutely, But I also
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Speaker 2: have the right to heal from it. And I also
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Speaker 2: have the right to exile this person from my mind
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Speaker 2: and from my being say Okay, you hurt me, I
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Speaker 2: will forever banish you from my existence and from my brain.
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Speaker 2: I will not lend you anymore time. I will allow
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Speaker 2: you to be in my thought process. And even more so,
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Speaker 2: like I said, I don't want this, These ten or
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Speaker 2: twenty bad things, difficult things, negative things, anywhere you want
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Speaker 2: to call them, hurtful things that happened to me. I
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Speaker 2: don't want them dictating my life. Shamans in Perule and
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Speaker 2: the Caro nation, people call themselves the wounded healers, and
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Speaker 2: they share with us something very important that your wounds
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Speaker 2: don't make you a victim. Your wounds, your hurt, your pain.
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Speaker 2: Give you the opportunity to become a hero. Give you
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Speaker 2: the opportunity to overcome and become a leader. Give you
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Speaker 2: the opportunity to once you found your way out of
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Speaker 2: that well, the deep hole, whatever it was, to say
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Speaker 2: to another person, my brother and my sister, I see
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Speaker 2: your pain. I understand your pain. I've gotten out of it,
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Speaker 2: and I know the ladder. I know the steps to
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Speaker 2: help you come out of that too. The basic idea
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Speaker 2: is that these tools allow us to come into our
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Speaker 2: full responsibility for ourselves. And there's nothing more liberating victor
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Speaker 2: to know that you know what my emotions are up
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Speaker 2: to me. No one can cut me off in the highway,
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Speaker 2: say ray, I don't like your yoga, or I don't
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Speaker 2: like your salmonism. No one can really insult me or
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Speaker 2: decide what my emotions are.
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Speaker 1: Inside me, And there's a shaman within each and every
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Speaker 1: one of us waiting to awaken.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, we have two voices inside our head Victory.
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Speaker 2: One voice I call the narrator, and that voice is
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Speaker 2: the voice that says, okay, and I went there and
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Speaker 2: I did that, and so and so said that, you know,
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Speaker 2: we were driving back home after something happened. We do
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Speaker 2: do these replays and it's a useful thing. But also
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Speaker 2: the narrator comes with a specific way of judging things,
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Speaker 2: which is again in relationship to reference. So if so
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Speaker 2: and so didn't say something that was not politically correct,
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Speaker 2: that was not gender correct, that was not this, and
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Speaker 2: again all these movements are great movements and hope and
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Speaker 2: try to bring goodness to and equality, and I'm all
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Speaker 2: for goodness and equality. The idea is what all teaches Christ,
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Speaker 2: the Buddha and everyone that came back. It is like
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Speaker 2: judgment is not the way of being. So in other words,
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Speaker 2: if I see, I can hear rathers to say. One
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Speaker 2: is the voice is the narrator, which basically is common
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Speaker 2: sense and comes not that common sense that we say
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Speaker 2: that is good. Is what I want to say common
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Speaker 2: Facebook sense or common Instagram is if there's a lot
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Speaker 2: happening there. The other voice that we have is a shaman.
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Speaker 2: If I step back and don't get emotional emotional about someone,
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Speaker 2: I can make a better decision. I can make a
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Speaker 2: better choice because when we're emotionally entangled, and that's the narrator.
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Speaker 2: My students asked me, show Ray, how do I know
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Speaker 2: it's my narrator and not my shaman speaking? And I'll
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Speaker 2: say this and you will know it immediately. If there
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Speaker 2: is anything negative, absolutely anything to the least negative, saying
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Speaker 2: I'm not good enough, I don't have enough money, I'm
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Speaker 2: not tall enough, I can't, I never will anything. Anything
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Speaker 2: that is not saying you are perfect right now, anything
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Speaker 2: that's not saying you're a perfect right now, is your narrator.
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Speaker 2: And it's a way that we have developed a way
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Speaker 2: of thinking, the way of thinking of the Western world.
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Speaker 1: The message and wisdom of my guest, Ray Christ, the
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Speaker 1: founder of the Jaguar Path School of Modern Shamanism and
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Speaker 1: the Science of Healing. Ray one more time, please share
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Speaker 1: with our listeners where they can find out more about
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Speaker 1: your work and your wisdom.
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Speaker 2: You can visit us at our website that is jaguarpath
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Speaker 2: dot com jaguar path dot com and if you like
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Speaker 2: to send an email with any inquiries, you can send
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Speaker 2: an email at Evolve. Evolve at jaguarpath dot com. Our
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Speaker 2: nine month training runs from November to June every year.
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Speaker 2: The moment we already have a beautiful community of fifty people,
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Speaker 2: enrollments are still open. Is still early, so anyone was
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Speaker 2: interested in making changes in finding this empowerment in a
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Speaker 2: different and absolutely more advanced way of thinking and acting.
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Speaker 2: We source from these ancient, ancient tools. We source ancient
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Speaker 2: wisdom to find the gems, to find things that were
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Speaker 2: lost in our perspective as we went through the Dark Ages,
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Speaker 2: especially there a lot was lost. Then through the Industrial
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Speaker 2: Revolution and then through the technological revolution. All these revolutions
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Speaker 2: were great and to a certain degree have created a
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Speaker 2: more comfortable and safe life for us. But at the
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Speaker 2: same time they've created societies and communities and us who
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Speaker 2: are slaves to working for that car, working for that phone,
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Speaker 2: working for that house and work is a natural thing,
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Speaker 2: but it's really important to really realize that we're living life,
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Speaker 2: and that's what these shamanic practices can help us. Heal
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Speaker 2: our past so we can be fully present with a
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Speaker 2: broader awareness every interaction, and be able to be more
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Speaker 2: able in our everyday life.
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Speaker 1: Ray, You've given us so much to think about. Thank you, sir,
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Speaker 1: I am great. I am indebted to you for your
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Speaker 1: sharing today.
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Speaker 2: Victor, the honor is mine. Thank you, Thank you for
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Speaker 2: having me with you. I really appreciate it very much.
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Speaker 2: Honor to have met you and have had this conversation.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Fox Novus. I'm
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Speaker 1: Victor the Holy Sperman. Have a wonderful week.