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The Art of the Pivot with Matthew Lillard · Dos Amigos

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Speaker 1: Hey, more about the wrong. Hey, I'm Freddie Rodriguez. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, we're very excited, but I'm a little
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Speaker 2: more excited. But you're also quickquially as excited about I'm
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Speaker 2: very excited to Uh.
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Speaker 1: When have grown up? Grown up? Grown up?
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Speaker 2: Let's I'm trying to keep a professional here, but I'm
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Speaker 2: not because I.
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Speaker 1: Don't.
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Speaker 2: I haven't had many opportunities, uh to tell you the
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Speaker 2: things I want to tell you on this podcast.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tell the long story. Ladies and gentlemen, who
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Speaker 1: do we got here today?
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Speaker 2: But but I think but let me introduce our amazing today.
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Speaker 2: Who is We have a lot of research.
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Speaker 1: My name? You forgot my name?
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Speaker 2: No, I just want to drop I just want to
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Speaker 2: drop your your wrestlement because I think it's important. We
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Speaker 2: want to welcome Matthew Lillard Togo's podcast.
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Speaker 1: Thank You.
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Speaker 2: Matthew is an old friend of mine, but we'll get
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Speaker 2: into that later.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: So we'll name a few things here that I think
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Speaker 2: are are relevant to bring up SLC Punk Major, Major
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Speaker 2: Colt classic.
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Speaker 1: She's all that she really.
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Speaker 2: Was in a bag of chips summer catch, which is
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Speaker 2: how this man and.
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Speaker 3: I locked eyes and fell Madly, Come on.
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Speaker 1: Fell Madly.
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Speaker 2: Thirteen Ghosts iconically brought Shaggy to life in the Scooby
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Speaker 2: Doo movie the sentence which were your absolutely incredible let's
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Speaker 2: see I mean their devil currently right, yes, and and
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Speaker 2: then you know, I mean there's a gang about the things,
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Speaker 2: but also one thing, like just a humble, humble drop
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Speaker 2: over here, you're going to be.
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Speaker 1: In the next Superman movie.
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Speaker 2: We have so many questions, scream we forgot oh, but
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Speaker 2: you know, and obviously everybody know it's like such an
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Speaker 2: obvious okay, and obviously the screen franchise, which is.
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Speaker 1: Kind of incredible. So so mad let's begin.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, tell us a little bitout where you're from.
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Speaker 4: Where were you born?
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Speaker 5: Uh?
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Speaker 1: I was born?
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Speaker 3: I think it's super important question. Actually, I was born
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Speaker 3: outside of Detroit, Michigan. I was born in Lansing, Midwest,
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Speaker 3: mid very Midwest. I identified deeply with being from Michigan. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: same thing, right. I don't think that ever leaves you.
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Speaker 3: It's in my people's how I was raised, It's who
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Speaker 3: I am as a man.
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Speaker 1: It's that's why you're yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a blue collar.
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Speaker 3: Thing to the work that we do that I think
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Speaker 3: people don't understand or appreciate. You're like, oh, you're an actor,
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Speaker 3: You're fancy. I'm like, well, I am fancy. When we
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Speaker 3: go through that list, that sounds really fancy. But you
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Speaker 3: don't talk about the years when you don't know if
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Speaker 3: you're working. You don't talk about like the ebbs and
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Speaker 3: flows of work and where that leaves you and how
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Speaker 3: that makes you feel like just trying to get work
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Speaker 3: feels like a real thing.
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Speaker 1: Anyways. But born and raised Michigan.
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Speaker 3: My mom and dad moved out with my sister and
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Speaker 3: I when I was ten to Orange County, California, so Tustin.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And then when from there to New York to study acting.
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Speaker 6: How old were you when you went to New York
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Speaker 6: twenty one? So had you acted before you went to
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Speaker 6: New York?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 3: I had, yeah, I mean not professionally, but at like thirteen,
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Speaker 3: in eighth grade, I found something that I was good at.
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Speaker 3: I always say this because I think it's important to identify.
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Speaker 3: I was an obese teenager. My mom and dad are
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Speaker 3: both obese. I was a transplant from Michigan. I had
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Speaker 3: a severe learning disability in which I could couldn't learn
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Speaker 3: anything from a board but if I couldn't, I couldn't
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Speaker 3: hear something and process it, but if I could read it,
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Speaker 3: like history was great for me. I could read a
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Speaker 3: really high level, but I couldn't like spell to save
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Speaker 3: my life. And math was a disaster, so I did
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Speaker 3: learning disability. So all those things sort of shaped me
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Speaker 3: as a young man. I found acting. I found the
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Speaker 3: one thing that I was good at, and that's all
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Speaker 3: I ever did since from that moment forward, I just
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Speaker 3: kept acting.
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Speaker 6: It's funny you say that the thing that you were
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Speaker 6: good at, and that was the thing when our first
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Speaker 6: episode here, when we interviewed me, that's exactly what I
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Speaker 6: had said. I went through my childhood without being good
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Speaker 6: at anything. And there's something about that age, right, It's
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Speaker 6: like you're defined by what you're good at, right, right, Sure,
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Speaker 6: Like your friend is good at baseball, he's the baseball guy, right,
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Speaker 6: or or so and so is good at mathematics, and
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Speaker 6: they're that person. And then you feel lost because you're
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Speaker 6: not good at anything at all until you find the
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Speaker 6: thing you're good at.
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Speaker 4: And it's sort of.
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Speaker 3: Especially if you're bad at things, or especially if you
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Speaker 3: feel like an outsider anyway, right, I mean, I had
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Speaker 3: so many things that sort of like just put me
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Speaker 3: other than right.
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Speaker 1: And so.
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Speaker 3: When you found something that clicked and you felt like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I'm exceptional, not only was that.
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Speaker 1: Rewarding because it gave.
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Speaker 3: You a sense of identity that go, I'm good, but
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Speaker 3: then you also found your fellowship, You found your people.
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Speaker 3: I mean drama people. Theater people are my favorite people
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Speaker 3: in the world. We can have a dinner party in
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Speaker 3: my house if I invite five actors. We'll sit there
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Speaker 3: all night. Oh yeah, and we end up.
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Speaker 1: Telling stories about theater.
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Speaker 3: Like we just end to my people like gregarious and
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Speaker 3: together and there's like.
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Speaker 1: A love, there's a bonding love.
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Speaker 3: Amongst actors that I think permeates the crafts and the profession.
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Speaker 2: And also you share a reality, right, Like you also
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Speaker 2: share a reality of like how do you keep the.
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Speaker 1: Light on what you do what you love?
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Speaker 2: You know what when you do what you love that
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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily as consistent or it was actually sure of
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Speaker 2: a shot, but it's but it's exciting that you say
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Speaker 2: that because when people think about the performing arts, right,
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Speaker 2: they see, you know, the audiences see red carpets, see flashlights,
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Speaker 2: and they see, you know, all the action behind the scenes.
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Speaker 2: There is so much humbleness that happens. You know, you
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Speaker 2: get really humbled in between jobs all the way up
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Speaker 2: to the op all the way up to the one
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Speaker 2: job that lasts you a certain amount of years, and
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Speaker 2: you're like, okay, now it's ending.
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Speaker 1: Oh I didn't even think about what happens now?
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Speaker 2: You know, there's just a lot of uncertainty that that
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Speaker 2: you now have to build some type of I'd say, like,
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Speaker 2: you know, not just chaosist, but you have to have
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Speaker 2: a state of mind that keeps you plan to so
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Speaker 2: you could keep searching.
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Speaker 3: So what's your state of mind? So how do you
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Speaker 3: how do you process that?
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Speaker 1: What being?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like how do you so this idea which
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Speaker 3: I think is interesting, this callousness, like how do I
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Speaker 3: how do you develop a toughlon sort of how do
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Speaker 3: you how do you get how do you get through
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Speaker 3: the down times to get to the other side? Because
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Speaker 3: it's not I always say that acting is never what
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Speaker 3: kills an actress career?
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Speaker 1: What kills an actress careers? What's between the kingdom? Right?
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Speaker 3: And that's the thing that I need to you know,
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Speaker 3: questions like how do you how do you like what
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Speaker 3: what do you actually do?
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Speaker 1: To get to the other side.
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Speaker 2: You know, I would say, I mean, I would love
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Speaker 2: to hear what you guys think about this, because for me,
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Speaker 2: it's about keeping the engine warm. As long as you
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Speaker 2: keep doing it in some ship or form, get on stage,
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Speaker 2: two scenes, do classes like keep the engine warm, it
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Speaker 2: keeps you, I think, at arm's length in your mind
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Speaker 2: because because if you're like, oh, man, I haven't performed
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Speaker 2: in like eighteen months, or like I haven't gotten a
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Speaker 2: job in six months or whatever, you know, that cold
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Speaker 2: time might make you think maybe this is not for me,
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Speaker 2: maybe like I'm doing. But if you stay in class,
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Speaker 2: and if you're keeping your engine warm and and let's
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Speaker 2: say you have an audition once every two weeks, but
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Speaker 2: in between you're just hitting the stage, doing a scene
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Speaker 2: with your friend or like, you know, I think that's
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Speaker 2: the stuff that keeps you out arms length, because when
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Speaker 2: you are these auditions and they come so scattered throughout
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Speaker 2: the years, sometimes you.
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Speaker 1: Gotta be two auditions.
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Speaker 3: If you're getna auditions every two weeks, you're the only
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Speaker 3: man because you're not you're.
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Speaker 2: Auditioning for like for me, it was like the Pacific
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Speaker 2: Best Module of Pages.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it was a regional commercial. So what do you
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Speaker 1: hear your answer for this? Yeah, but what I feel
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Speaker 1: like everyone.
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Speaker 3: Watching is like, what are you talking about struggling? You
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Speaker 3: have been famous and have worked your entire.
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Speaker 2: Life, but you also have to You have to remember
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Speaker 2: I played fast for all these years, right, Nobody thought
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Speaker 2: I could ever do anything but that. And if you
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Speaker 2: rap a page on everything from the nineties, the eighties
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Speaker 2: and the nineties, anybody who play a character like that?
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Speaker 1: That was what she wrote. That was it. So there
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Speaker 1: was a crazy uncertainty when I finished.
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Speaker 3: So but then you finish, and then how long before
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Speaker 3: you work together?
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Speaker 1: Then I made you six days six days?
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Speaker 2: Right, But the point was like I went back to, like, okay,
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Speaker 2: what happens when this ends? So three years before seventy
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Speaker 2: Show ended, I started looking for all these independent films,
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Speaker 2: these little parts that nobody wanted.
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Speaker 1: To give me in studio movies.
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Speaker 2: So I would just say, Okay, these movies are going
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Speaker 2: to be watched by the industry, and they're the ones
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Speaker 2: who I need to convince that I can do something
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Speaker 2: more than this. So it was like an underground heist too,
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Speaker 2: so I would have a shot of being in the
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Speaker 2: room when the time seventy Show was done because nobody
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Speaker 2: wanted to meet me because they're like, oh, he probably
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Speaker 2: speaks like that, he.
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Speaker 1: Probably looks like that. Whatever.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: That So long story short, when I did three years
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Speaker 2: before seventy Show ended was I did generals where every
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Speaker 2: casting director, whatever, producer, what, everybody. And I was already like,
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Speaker 2: oh fast on the seventy Show for like however many episodes.
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Speaker 2: The point I'm making is that by the time I exited,
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Speaker 2: I was at least allowed in the room again, unlike
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Speaker 2: I was being called in me because I was being
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Speaker 2: offered like, you know, the American pies, like you're the
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Speaker 2: foreign exchange student again.
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Speaker 1: Like whatever, and I'm like, uh, you know, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Know, I want to play this shit again, right, So
10:27
Speaker 2: so I think that that my answer is that there
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Speaker 2: was a level of uncertainty that happened there, and I
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Speaker 2: just I was very lucky because if you remember, on
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Speaker 2: Summer Catch, which was my first film, it was my
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Speaker 2: first film ever, I got cast kind of a similar
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Speaker 2: character to remember, you know again, innocent guy Lien's virginity
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Speaker 2: to Beverly D'Angelo.
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Speaker 1: You know, like it's amazing, it's a legacy moment. Roll
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Speaker 1: the clip, Please roll the clip.
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Speaker 2: But but so anyway, so I'm saying that then you
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Speaker 2: have to take a break from TV because you just
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Speaker 2: went from that and like where do you go to
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Speaker 2: the next thing or whatever. So there was a couple
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Speaker 2: of years where I was taking a break so like
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Speaker 2: I could have a shot at coming back right, right,
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Speaker 2: Because so.
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Speaker 3: In those couple of years, what do you do?
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Speaker 1: Did you go to class?
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Speaker 3: Like there's an actor out here watching, yeah, and they're like,
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Speaker 3: oh yeah, okay, that's what they My whole thing is
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Speaker 3: like we talk about these esoteric things we have a
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Speaker 3: hold on. We have to keep within arms and we
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Speaker 3: have to keep the motor running. Hunt No, but no, shit,
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Speaker 3: what do do you actually do? Like what are the
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Speaker 3: things you did to stay connected? Yeah, so that when
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Speaker 3: the time came, you're like you had a shot to
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Speaker 3: come back, Like when we.
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Speaker 1: Use struggling, Oh, that's a good question.
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Speaker 6: I you know, in between I would just produce and
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Speaker 6: write and I just always I always felt like if
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Speaker 6: I kept my brain creative, right, Like, it was the
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Speaker 6: moment that we.
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Speaker 2: Had this opportunity to be like there's a little light on,
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Speaker 2: right the light is on in Hollywood for us for
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Speaker 2: a second, What else can I do around that? So
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Speaker 2: I called MTV and I watched an MTV show, right
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Speaker 2: because like, I got to do something, and I knew
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Speaker 2: the cable never had network guys, so when a network
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Speaker 2: guy called the cable like MTV, they'd be like, oh shit,
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Speaker 2: like Auston Cutcher wants to do punk on MTV, Yes
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Speaker 2: to a series, right, Like, So I was trying to
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Speaker 2: hack the game to get myself in it.
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Speaker 1: But to your point, what you do it in between?
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Speaker 1: You know, I was.
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Speaker 2: Delusional to thing that, Oh I'm a producer too. Oh
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Speaker 2: i'll direct as well, I'll do voiceover, you know. So
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Speaker 2: I had to pivot right like, and I did handy
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Speaker 2: Manny on the right. So like all this stuff was
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Speaker 2: just like I gotta figure out how to make this
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Speaker 2: look like I've been working this whole time before I
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Speaker 2: get my next vehicle. But it was a lot of
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Speaker 2: like a pilot that didn't go or a series that
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Speaker 2: went one season, right, Like I had that ugly phrase
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Speaker 2: before I got into the later years.
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Speaker 1: But again you're going back to like what you're in between.
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Speaker 6: You try to stay creative, Yeah, I just you were booking, No, listen,
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Speaker 6: I have the same thing. Man ups and downs too, man,
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Speaker 6: and I just felt like the times that I wasn't working,
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Speaker 6: I just found that as long as I kept my
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Speaker 6: brain creative, I was in good shape.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 6: It was the times when I wasn't. I wasn't you know,
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Speaker 6: when I was focusing really on family and being at
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Speaker 6: home and like not being creative, is.
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Speaker 4: When I started to feel rusty.
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Speaker 6: So it wasn't necessarily me having to pick up a
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Speaker 6: script and like say it, you know right, I just
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Speaker 6: had to keep the wheels turning in my head.
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Speaker 3: What about you? You guys sound very secure. I would
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Speaker 3: lose my mind. I was losing my mind. I would
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Speaker 3: lose my mind. Yeah, I don't do well when I'm
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Speaker 3: not working. For the longest time, I would. I would
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Speaker 3: define myself by work. So I would be like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I'm doing a movie. I'm doing another movie. I'm doing
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Speaker 3: I'm like then I was comfortable whether. Yes, it also
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Speaker 3: brought in money, which was a thing. But I had
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Speaker 3: a narrative. I could tell myself and other people, Oh.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing a movie.
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Speaker 3: I did it, indeed, but you know, at some point,
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Speaker 3: you know, I've told the story a bunch times, but
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Speaker 3: it's worth repeating as we're talking about the same thing.
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Speaker 1: You know, at this moment where I didn't know if
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Speaker 1: I would ever.
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Speaker 3: Come back like I had done Scooby Doo too, I
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Speaker 3: thought I was the shit.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'll always make movies. I was at CIA.
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Speaker 3: I got bumped up CIA because when I got to CIA,
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, now I'm at CIA. If you guys
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Speaker 3: don't know, CIA is like the biggest agency at the time.
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Speaker 1: It still is, I'm sure, but it's the death Star.
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Speaker 3: It is like literally it's like the you know, and
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Speaker 3: everyone was there and I'm like, well, now that I'm
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Speaker 3: at CIAH, I'm now going to walk in and compete
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Speaker 3: against all the guys at CIA. And that's a joke.
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Speaker 3: That's not how this town works. The town does not
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Speaker 3: work like because you're the same agency, you can't get
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Speaker 3: the same opportunities.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: And at some point, you know, I was a boy
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Speaker 3: for long stretch of my career. Shaggy was a teenager
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Speaker 3: and I was thirty two years.
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Speaker 1: Old, thirty three years and you're at Defense. So was
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Speaker 1: everybody in the cab fair.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the same thing, but you know, and at
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Speaker 3: some point I was like, it just dried up, just
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Speaker 3: dried up.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't working. And so, well, why do you think
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Speaker 1: that happened?
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Speaker 3: Because I think that I think the industry needed me
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Speaker 3: to become because nobody was interested in me playing a boy.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I just had to grow
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Speaker 1: up and I but not young enough.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I had a lot of I had a
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Speaker 3: long run of like Summer Catch and then you know,
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Speaker 3: whatever we did, Like I did a bunch of big
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Speaker 3: movies at the time, and I just always assumed I
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Speaker 3: would get big movies, and then I didn't get any movies,
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Speaker 3: you know, and I didn't get any And then at
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Speaker 3: the time, I was like, well, I'll just go to
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Speaker 3: a TV pilot, like three pilot seasons after that's when
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Speaker 3: they still had pilot seasons, right, And I did the
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Speaker 3: biggest pilot that had ever been done at Fox, A
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Speaker 3: Treasure Hunter. I'm gonna forget. I forgot National It's not
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Speaker 3: National Treasure, it's I'll find it. Put it Homeland, put
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Speaker 3: it under the scroll on the bottom, and it didn't
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Speaker 3: get picked up. And then I was like, oh, we
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Speaker 3: have to adjust because my mortgage because I was like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I'm just going to keep making money so my mortgage
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Speaker 3: was out of control, we had two fancy cars out
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Speaker 3: of control, my wife didn't work, and private schools was
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Speaker 3: killing us. And I was like, oh, if I looked down,
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Speaker 3: the Scooby Doo Too was an incredible payday for me.
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Speaker 3: If we didn't have that, I'd be teaching acting back
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Speaker 3: in Michigan.
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Speaker 1: Wow, it was. It was that drastic after that, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, because it kept me going.
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Speaker 3: I mean for two years or so, I would get
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Speaker 3: like something small, but I was I was eating all
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Speaker 3: those reserves. I don't think anyone's interested in this story.
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Speaker 2: Let me explain why it's important. Let me explain what
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Speaker 2: it's important. Because we often sit here and we have
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Speaker 2: the people that we invite to be in this thing
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Speaker 2: are people that have really been instrumental important images in
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Speaker 2: our lives, right, and so our guests are not like
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Speaker 2: someone's promoting something like, we don't do that.
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Speaker 1: And the reason why this is important.
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Speaker 2: Is because the perception to a general public of all
17:19
Speaker 2: of us recognizable faces is that, oh, well, I mean,
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Speaker 2: you're an a tax bracket, you're like that, you're sustainable.
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Speaker 2: And what people don't realize is that it really is
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Speaker 2: what they say it's only one percent that works all
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Speaker 2: year round, and then everybody else is dooking it out
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Speaker 2: of what's available.
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Speaker 3: Right, it's one percent that lives above the poverty line,
17:38
Speaker 3: which is right different and I think poverty line right
17:42
Speaker 3: now is like thirty seven thousand dollars a year, right,
17:46
Speaker 3: So one percent lives above the poverty line.
17:48
Speaker 1: Right.
17:48
Speaker 2: And so you do the math on availability, and you're like, well,
17:51
Speaker 2: look at all these streaming platforms, look at all these
17:54
Speaker 2: networks whatever, look at there's there's got to be a
17:56
Speaker 2: million jobs for actors.
17:57
Speaker 1: And the truth is, somehow it just not enough.
18:01
Speaker 3: Well, the interesting is that, Look, if you have a
18:03
Speaker 3: streaming job every day every year for five years, you're
18:07
Speaker 3: doing great, right.
18:09
Speaker 1: The reality is that a lot of us if you
18:11
Speaker 1: have eight.
18:11
Speaker 3: Episodes on your favorite streaming show, A lot of times
18:14
Speaker 3: you get four or five episodes.
18:15
Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's great.
18:17
Speaker 3: You make a lot of money in those four or
18:18
Speaker 3: five episodes. You may not work again for another sixteen months.
18:22
Speaker 3: So if you extrapolate that payday plus your agent takes
18:27
Speaker 3: ten percent off the top, right, plus your manager's ten
18:29
Speaker 3: percent off the.
18:30
Speaker 2: Top, your attorney five Well, not everyone has attorney, but yes,
18:36
Speaker 2: TV shows technically, and then.
18:38
Speaker 3: The government takes forty percent because you are then taxed
18:40
Speaker 3: at the highest test bracket. So the reality is what
18:44
Speaker 3: you pull down to feed your family over the course
18:49
Speaker 3: of the year, amortized out, it's actually not that much
18:53
Speaker 3: money if you don't have the.
18:55
Speaker 1: Ability to keep working and you're living in LA and
18:57
Speaker 1: you're living in LA. And the funny thing is that,
18:59
Speaker 1: I I think that there were ways.
19:04
Speaker 3: That this is I think interesting for people to understand
19:06
Speaker 3: that as an actor, you would get a residual, which
19:09
Speaker 3: means if your show appears again on television, you would
19:11
Speaker 3: get paid. When you got paid the first time you
19:13
Speaker 3: did the show, that's an incredible payday, and that's the
19:16
Speaker 3: second time. And or you'll do like a national commercial,
19:18
Speaker 3: or like you'll do a couple guest stars, and that
19:20
Speaker 3: would allow people to, you know, to have a blue
19:24
Speaker 3: collar lifestyle. But our industry, like every other industry in America,
19:28
Speaker 3: is being decimated by people trying to turn a profit
19:31
Speaker 3: on every single dollar, right, and they are cutting corners
19:37
Speaker 3: everywhere they can, so we no longer get residuals.
19:40
Speaker 1: That's out. We don't get.
19:41
Speaker 4: Those streaming right, streaming all.
19:43
Speaker 1: Streaming signs just most of the content played right now.
19:46
Speaker 3: Yes, and even when you like I did Good Girls
19:48
Speaker 3: at NBC, they replay it streaming on peacock and you
19:53
Speaker 3: don't get a residual off of them.
19:54
Speaker 1: Wow.
19:55
Speaker 3: So they are like every industry, squeezing every out of
20:01
Speaker 3: it to show corporate profits instead of letting blue collar
20:05
Speaker 3: items make their way through this industry.
20:18
Speaker 1: So in those moments and that in that journey.
20:21
Speaker 2: To return to full time, have you how have you
20:26
Speaker 2: been able to not just necessarily sustain but keeping the
20:29
Speaker 2: dream away.
20:30
Speaker 3: So the thing I think I started here and I
20:33
Speaker 3: got off course which I talked too much.
20:38
Speaker 1: This is gonna turn into dark licors. Listen.
20:42
Speaker 3: I at some point I realized earlier in my career,
20:45
Speaker 3: like I was, Oh, I was defining myself by the
20:47
Speaker 3: jobs I was having, and then stopped working. I'm like, oh,
20:50
Speaker 3: And I looked at my life. I was like, Oh,
20:54
Speaker 3: if you had told me my life would be what
20:57
Speaker 3: it was when I was having this crisis, I would
21:01
Speaker 3: tell you that I'm one hundred percent station. I think
21:03
Speaker 3: I'd done like thirty movies and I had done Scream
21:06
Speaker 3: and Scooby Doo and made lots of money, and I
21:09
Speaker 3: would have told you as I had started my acting career,
21:12
Speaker 3: my journey to be the actor, I was that that
21:15
Speaker 3: would be satiated. I would be I would be happy,
21:17
Speaker 3: I would be full, and my life would be set
21:19
Speaker 3: and I could like sort of walk away peacefully. And
21:22
Speaker 3: the reality is that the more I got, the more money,
21:26
Speaker 3: the more sort of opportunities, that the less I felt
21:30
Speaker 3: I was empty.
21:31
Speaker 1: Right, And then I realized, Okay, well if we can.
21:35
Speaker 3: If that's the case, right, if no amount of money
21:39
Speaker 3: is saved, if I get no joy from the amount
21:41
Speaker 3: of money I'm getting, right.
21:43
Speaker 1: And there's.
21:46
Speaker 3: No joy, Oh you're an Academy Award film with the descendants.
21:50
Speaker 1: Like none of that was satiating.
21:51
Speaker 3: So the reality is like, well, what makes you happy
21:53
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with the job, they say it again,
21:56
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the job, has everything to do
21:58
Speaker 3: with the fellowship of the people around you. I think
22:00
Speaker 3: we're just talking about the Sitting at a table with
22:02
Speaker 3: actors is my favorite thing in the world.
22:04
Speaker 1: Teaching acting.
22:05
Speaker 3: I love teaching acting, right, And so I was like, oh, okay,
22:10
Speaker 3: I re configured what is important to me in this
22:13
Speaker 3: business isn't about winning an Academy award or making money
22:19
Speaker 3: it's really about, Oh, I like the people. I like
22:22
Speaker 3: working because I like being on set. I like being
22:25
Speaker 3: around actors because I like that energy. I like those people.
22:28
Speaker 3: And so in this moment where we sold our house,
22:31
Speaker 3: so I was like, we're out of control.
22:33
Speaker 1: My wife and I were like, we're out of control.
22:36
Speaker 3: And my father in law very famously said to me,
22:38
Speaker 3: you could sell pharmaceuticals and make a lot of money
22:40
Speaker 3: or super charming. I'm like, I'm shaggy, dude, I'm not walking.
22:46
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate it. That a doctor's office. Yeah, he's
22:52
Speaker 1: like selling biagraph.
22:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, take this man, Take this man.
22:58
Speaker 1: It'll be hard today.
23:02
Speaker 3: But the idea of like doing that right and taking
23:05
Speaker 3: that like way out, I'm like, I can't raise my
23:09
Speaker 3: three kids, like I can't look at my kids to
23:11
Speaker 3: be like that's not that's not who I was. So
23:12
Speaker 3: then my answer was, oh, we're gonna buy a house.
23:16
Speaker 3: And we still have the house. It's an incredible house.
23:20
Speaker 3: That is twenty two hundred dollars a month in mortgage.
23:24
Speaker 3: My wife went back to work, we got rid of
23:26
Speaker 3: our fancy cars. I leased a Prius for nine years
23:32
Speaker 3: and great car. And I was like I went back
23:35
Speaker 3: to like, Okay, if I can't make money acting, that's fine.
23:39
Speaker 3: If Hollywood's done with me. If they're like, yeah, dude,
23:41
Speaker 3: we don't, we're not interesting because there's so many actors
23:43
Speaker 3: that never come back, and we can name a.
23:46
Speaker 1: Million of our from our generation.
23:48
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're probably like you know, talk, Yeah,
23:52
Speaker 2: we know a lot.
23:53
Speaker 3: So if that's the case, then that's fine. That's not
23:56
Speaker 3: my decision. But what am I gonna do? My answer
23:59
Speaker 3: for that was, I'm gonna start teaching. So I started
24:01
Speaker 3: teaching acting. Teaching acting, I developed a deep sense of
24:06
Speaker 3: like pride and craft and my own art, my own
24:12
Speaker 3: beliefs around acting. What great acting is?
24:15
Speaker 1: How do I get?
24:16
Speaker 3: Like I had to take as an acting teacher, you
24:18
Speaker 3: have to take what you believe in your core and
24:21
Speaker 3: apply it in a loud room situation which is not
24:23
Speaker 3: a scene, study class, and see if it works, and
24:26
Speaker 3: see if it holds up?
24:28
Speaker 4: And is it? Do you teach out a school?
24:30
Speaker 1: Do you have school?
24:32
Speaker 3: I went back, So I taught. I walked. I was
24:35
Speaker 3: shooting a movie in Vancouver, and I walked in. He's
24:38
Speaker 3: gonna be so excited because I'm gonna say his name.
24:40
Speaker 3: I walked into this. I walked into Vancouver Film School
24:43
Speaker 3: and I ran into the sky, or I said to
24:45
Speaker 3: somebody at the thing. And I do this all the time.
24:47
Speaker 3: Whenever I'm on location, I'll call university. I'm like, hey,
24:50
Speaker 3: I was in scream. I'd love to come in and
24:52
Speaker 3: talk to the really cool So I do that all
24:55
Speaker 3: the time. I'll drop into a class and sort of
24:57
Speaker 3: like let them ask me questions. And I think that
25:00
Speaker 3: that's a super valuable taking our wisdom and impartying our
25:04
Speaker 3: kids coming up. But I said to this woman, I
25:09
Speaker 3: was like, I'd like to come and teach. And the
25:11
Speaker 3: guy that runs the school at the time, his name
25:13
Speaker 3: is Bill Marchant.
25:14
Speaker 1: He called me up.
25:15
Speaker 3: He's like, are you're not going to tell my kids
25:17
Speaker 3: not to take school, are you. I'm like, no, dude,
25:18
Speaker 3: I think university is the best. He's like, okay, so
25:21
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. The most actors are like, yeah, you don't know,
25:26
Speaker 3: walk away, just go to Hollywood make money. And my
25:28
Speaker 3: whole thing is like college school. Class is about making mistakes,
25:33
Speaker 3: and it's about stretching for greatness and being brilliant and
25:36
Speaker 3: failing miserably, like every chance you get. And so I
25:42
Speaker 3: did my presentation to the school. The whole school is
25:45
Speaker 3: like you know, two three the kids and I took
25:47
Speaker 3: questions and I was like, I like that. I'm good
25:48
Speaker 3: in that space. I like that space. And at the
25:52
Speaker 3: end of it, he asked me to join the advisory board.
25:54
Speaker 3: And then I went back and forth and taught there
25:56
Speaker 3: for years. I taught in la I taught a theater
25:59
Speaker 3: company in New York.
26:00
Speaker 1: So amazing.
26:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, it's great, and it's really.
26:04
Speaker 1: It's probably rejuvenating to it.
26:05
Speaker 2: I mean, assuming, like you know, to kind of see
26:08
Speaker 2: that sparking their eyes and seeing that there's a possibility
26:11
Speaker 2: that there's a proximity as someone who's done it, you know.
26:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, well even more so.
26:16
Speaker 3: I mean I always say, look, I'm here to steal
26:18
Speaker 3: from the beauty and vigor of youth. This like there's
26:22
Speaker 3: like a naive energy that's like hurling to be seen,
26:27
Speaker 3: and like watching people try to be brilliant when they're
26:32
Speaker 3: just learning, you know, to sort of like there, you know,
26:37
Speaker 3: day one in the craft.
26:38
Speaker 4: How did you, beautiful?
26:40
Speaker 1: How did you develop your your teaching? Did you ever
26:42
Speaker 1: teach before? No? God, no, no, no, no.
26:45
Speaker 2: I think listen, I mean, how hard can it be
26:48
Speaker 2: right right, But that's it's really about play right.
26:51
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, can encourage. I totally disagree.
26:54
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, no, I wonder nothing so simple. I
27:03
Speaker 3: can't wait to see your class next week.
27:05
Speaker 1: I will bring my students because I.
27:09
Speaker 3: Know how hard it is.
27:09
Speaker 1: To people structure.
27:11
Speaker 6: You know.
27:11
Speaker 3: The funny thing is that I thought I was teaching
27:13
Speaker 3: what I struggled with the most, which is emotional like
27:17
Speaker 3: sort of every time you're reading a script and there's
27:20
Speaker 3: like that breakdown crying moment when you know your artistic
27:23
Speaker 3: intelligence is telling you, oh, this is this is where
27:27
Speaker 3: a huge moment, this is what needs to happen. And
27:30
Speaker 3: SLC Punk is that example where I was there's a
27:33
Speaker 3: moment in this movie. I did Glass the Sea Punk
27:36
Speaker 3: where he finds his best friend dad, and I started
27:40
Speaker 3: the scene and nothing happened, and I had to go
27:45
Speaker 3: through all these.
27:46
Speaker 4: Like, oh, you couldn't get there.
27:47
Speaker 1: I couldn't get.
27:48
Speaker 3: There at at all at all, And I finally did.
27:53
Speaker 3: But I how to brutalize myself into it.
27:56
Speaker 2: Do you think some of that must have been how
27:58
Speaker 2: many years you have actually lived as as a person.
28:02
Speaker 2: I feel like we as actors mimic the memories and
28:06
Speaker 2: the echoes of the things we've been through.
28:08
Speaker 1: And I think you were very young and when you
28:10
Speaker 1: were with that movie.
28:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was twenty six, you know, but here regardless,
28:15
Speaker 3: I mean, right, you know, my job as a teacher
28:20
Speaker 3: is to show you the potential in yourself. Right, can
28:24
Speaker 3: you can I apply my teachings to you as an
28:28
Speaker 3: instrument and can you start that journey in terms of
28:31
Speaker 3: how that process works for you earlier than like being
28:35
Speaker 3: stuck on set at twenty six? And the reality is
28:38
Speaker 3: that look, ninety nine point nine percent of the kids
28:41
Speaker 3: to go to class are never going to step on
28:42
Speaker 3: the set. Sure, So the reality is, at the end
28:44
Speaker 3: of the day, you're teaching humanity.
28:47
Speaker 1: You're teaching people connect to their own.
28:49
Speaker 2: There's so much about the practice that that is actually
28:52
Speaker 2: therapeutic and psychologically strengthening. I think, I mean, you're what
28:58
Speaker 2: and what we do is an act. I think you
29:00
Speaker 2: know some people are like, oh, I'm in quotes, I'm
29:02
Speaker 2: really shy, right, which means that people are reserved. They
29:05
Speaker 2: have to take you a long time before they can
29:07
Speaker 2: open up or take some manu for them to crack it.
29:09
Speaker 2: But people say, hey, you know, if you take a
29:11
Speaker 2: little acting class might be fun, and you see the
29:14
Speaker 2: eyes out and even though they don't have any intentions
29:17
Speaker 2: to actually be an actor, I mean, I really think
29:20
Speaker 2: there's a lot of benefit and understanding. You know, your
29:22
Speaker 2: body language, your limitations, you know, how far you can go,
29:25
Speaker 2: how loud can you get? You know, No, no one's
29:28
Speaker 2: ever explored that those tools.
29:30
Speaker 3: Sure, especially now, I mean I think that so much
29:34
Speaker 3: of you know, I think the kids, people, everyone's living
29:38
Speaker 3: on social media, we are constantly being reflected what people
29:41
Speaker 3: are presenting as perfect, super intimidating as young actors to
29:46
Speaker 3: look at people ahead of them in this journey, right right, Oh,
29:50
Speaker 3: look how successful they are.
29:53
Speaker 1: I'm not.
29:54
Speaker 3: I'm less than I'm not that right, So there's all
29:58
Speaker 3: these inhibitors. I think that we're being presented as young artists,
30:02
Speaker 3: as singers, songwors, dancers, like everyone you're like anywhere near,
30:06
Speaker 3: like how Billie Eilish young, incredibly successful like Charlie, all
30:12
Speaker 3: these young actresses and actors, and you know, it's it's
30:16
Speaker 3: really it's it's humbling, and it's really hard for actors
30:19
Speaker 3: to see themselves finding success when there's all these images
30:24
Speaker 3: that people so far ahead of them.
30:35
Speaker 2: So what you're what you're teaching. You know, you're also
30:38
Speaker 2: taking swings. I'm assuming right, you're also trying to find
30:42
Speaker 2: the next thing and all that stuff. Well, when went
30:44
Speaker 2: along the line, did you feel like, boom, I got something,
30:47
Speaker 2: I got to taste again. I'm swinging again. And do
30:50
Speaker 2: you feel like momentum started building for you?
30:52
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, I'm in the moment right now
30:55
Speaker 3: in my life where I'm having this crazy resurgence. That's crazy,
31:00
Speaker 3: and I would I would say, like, so five Nights
31:02
Speaker 3: of Freddy's we were just talking about it before went
31:05
Speaker 3: on the air, massive hit, playing the Baltimore character and
31:08
Speaker 3: this massive franchise that most people probably don't know that
31:12
Speaker 3: was just huge. And then on top of it, I
31:15
Speaker 3: do I made this joke recently, I said, the only
31:18
Speaker 3: reason I'm working is because people are longing for nostalgia.
31:21
Speaker 1: And I was joking. I kept having these people reaching.
31:25
Speaker 3: I was actually I know you were joking, But there
31:28
Speaker 3: is this idea of like, I do think that people
31:32
Speaker 3: who grew up in my movies, your our movies are
31:36
Speaker 3: now making decisions in Hollywood, right, And I think that
31:39
Speaker 3: that's beneficial. But look, it's not for me to ask
31:42
Speaker 3: why it's for me to be humbled and ready to
31:46
Speaker 3: shirk and excited about what.
31:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, so when you so, just to go back a
31:50
Speaker 6: little bit, So you you went to New York and
31:52
Speaker 6: where did you So you went from here to New York?
31:54
Speaker 4: And when you decided to be an actor?
31:56
Speaker 1: And what did you go?
31:57
Speaker 4: Did you go there to go to school?
31:58
Speaker 1: Yeah? I started in La I had started a theater company.
32:03
Speaker 3: And we were charging fifty people fifty dollars a month
32:09
Speaker 3: to produce plays. And I was nineteen. It was me
32:11
Speaker 3: and my partner, Dalton Grant and Mary Angelo Pino Davies.
32:15
Speaker 1: These are people that if this stays in they'll be
32:17
Speaker 1: very excited.
32:18
Speaker 3: But we would charge these grown ass actors fifty bucks
32:24
Speaker 3: a month every single month, put people to work. But
32:26
Speaker 3: that means that we had to keep producing plays and
32:28
Speaker 3: make sure that people kept giving money so we can
32:30
Speaker 3: keep making, you know, so that we can keep doing
32:32
Speaker 3: place we want to do. And at some point during
32:34
Speaker 3: that process there was people way more talented than me,
32:37
Speaker 3: way more trained than I was, had crazy resumes that
32:40
Speaker 3: were paying me at nineteen fifty bucks a month, and
32:42
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want to be that actor
32:45
Speaker 3: who got by it because he was just charming. I
32:47
Speaker 3: want to be a better actor. I want tools, and
32:49
Speaker 3: I want to be able to walk into a room
32:51
Speaker 3: and carry my own And so I was like, I
32:52
Speaker 3: gotta go to New York. I went to New York.
32:55
Speaker 3: I started circleing the Square. I was there for almost
32:59
Speaker 3: two years. Right before I finished, I started to audition
33:04
Speaker 3: and my third audition was for a movie called Serial
33:08
Speaker 3: Mom with John Waters. And I literally walked in to
33:12
Speaker 3: my waiting tables job on the Upper East Side and
33:16
Speaker 3: I said, I quit tonight. And my manager said to me,
33:22
Speaker 3: he's like, you know a lot of actors I've worked with.
33:25
Speaker 3: There were a lot of waiters were actors in New York. Yeah,
33:27
Speaker 3: and if you quit now, you can't come back for
33:30
Speaker 3: a job. And a lot of actors when they come back,
33:33
Speaker 3: when they're done with a movie, they're going to need
33:35
Speaker 3: a job, and you're not gonna have a job. And
33:37
Speaker 3: I was like, all my friends are coming up tonight,
33:41
Speaker 3: We're all going to get drunk.
33:42
Speaker 1: I quit, And so I did.
33:45
Speaker 3: I quit, and I have yet to go back at
33:48
Speaker 3: some point.
33:49
Speaker 6: Maybe, but yeah, So then you did that movie and you.
33:53
Speaker 4: What held me?
33:54
Speaker 1: Then?
33:55
Speaker 3: Twenty two two two or twenty three, and is that
34:01
Speaker 3: what kind of launched your film career?
34:02
Speaker 4: Was that?
34:03
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean you know, I mean it's like launch. Yeah,
34:04
Speaker 3: it was a big movie for me. I play Kathleen
34:07
Speaker 3: Turner's son. Yeah, unbelievable experience. John Waters is an icon.
34:15
Speaker 3: It was like in his world, like I was, like,
34:18
Speaker 3: it was an incredible experience, you know, my first day
34:22
Speaker 3: of almost at school, my first day of running, my
34:26
Speaker 3: first day of shooting. I was running across the street
34:29
Speaker 3: and I was running so hard I tripped and fell
34:31
Speaker 3: in front of this stunt car and almost got hit
34:34
Speaker 3: by this car. Who And John Water's like, what are
34:37
Speaker 3: you doing? I'm like, I'm running. I was like, it's
34:39
Speaker 3: a movie.
34:40
Speaker 1: It's gotta fit in a box, dude, you can't just
34:42
Speaker 1: be running.
34:43
Speaker 3: I was like, I had no idea. I mean, I
34:44
Speaker 3: was that green. I don't know if it really launched
34:49
Speaker 3: my career, like.
34:52
Speaker 1: You know, it started a journey.
34:57
Speaker 3: It wasn't like overnight I got a bunch of movies
35:00
Speaker 3: like I then went off and did Mad Love with
35:02
Speaker 3: Chris O'Donnell. No, but but yeah, I got Yeah, it's
35:08
Speaker 3: my first of my first job. What was your first
35:13
Speaker 3: Why am I talking the whole time.
35:14
Speaker 1: Well, because this is it's nobody's gonna watch this ship.
35:20
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna watch this ship. What was your first job?
35:23
Speaker 1: My first well, that's a good question.
35:26
Speaker 6: My first movie was a film called Walk in the
35:28
Speaker 6: Clouds with Counter Reeves and Anthony Quinn. But my first
35:31
Speaker 6: I did this TV show called Angel Street and I was.
35:34
Speaker 1: Like, and you were the Angel, Robin Givens.
35:37
Speaker 4: I did an episode.
35:38
Speaker 6: I was in Chicago, and like TV shows would come
35:40
Speaker 6: through Chicago and I would guest star did the Untouchables
35:44
Speaker 6: and they came through and yeah, yeah back then.
35:48
Speaker 3: You know, Wait, so how did you get the audition
35:51
Speaker 3: for the film.
35:53
Speaker 6: It was just like they came to Chicago to audition
35:56
Speaker 6: people who were there and I got it man, out
35:59
Speaker 6: of like three thousand people.
36:01
Speaker 1: It was a big, big I did that change it?
36:03
Speaker 6: I mean change every yeah, because it was a big
36:06
Speaker 6: It was like it was Count Reeves and Anthony Quinn
36:10
Speaker 6: and like a.
36:10
Speaker 4: Big Fox movie and like this big studio movie. And
36:14
Speaker 4: it's what brought me to to l A.
36:16
Speaker 1: You know, but hold on, hold on, I want to.
36:18
Speaker 3: Get back to I want to get back your first
36:21
Speaker 3: it's the first thing you did.
36:23
Speaker 2: I'd done some like smaller commercials men where I was
36:26
Speaker 2: joking about the Pacific smartin patures. That was the regional
36:28
Speaker 2: commercial for California. And uh, with that money, I paid
36:33
Speaker 2: my dues and I became a sag.
36:36
Speaker 1: You know, you tapped Hartley, Yeah yeah yeah.
36:39
Speaker 2: And then so I so I started auditioning some some
36:42
Speaker 2: cool stuff and I did like this Sony camera commercial
36:45
Speaker 2: for Japan only, and then I did Four Corners, which
36:48
Speaker 2: was like a big drama on CBS, and I played
36:51
Speaker 2: an autistic boy who died so it makes a lot
36:54
Speaker 2: of sense and which was a perfect segue and great.
37:01
Speaker 2: But anyways, so and and I was, you know, but
37:04
Speaker 2: my thing was that I was, you know, I was
37:06
Speaker 2: being sent out to these additions, and my agent would
37:10
Speaker 2: get this great feedback, right, They're like, oh my god,
37:13
Speaker 2: he's very funny, he's very good, he's he has a
37:17
Speaker 2: lot of fun but he has an accent. Yes, And
37:20
Speaker 2: they're like, and you know, every no one on TV
37:23
Speaker 2: has accents, you know, and that's the bad guy, right.
37:25
Speaker 1: So so that kind of.
37:27
Speaker 2: Became like kind of this recurring thing where people are
37:28
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to lose your action, you have to
37:30
Speaker 2: lose reaction.
37:30
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, fucking good luck with that, you know.
37:32
Speaker 2: So so you know, incomes in like this pilot audition,
37:37
Speaker 2: and after a lot of no's and a lot of hustle,
37:42
Speaker 2: I was the guy that we'll go to backstage west right, yes,
37:45
Speaker 2: and like we'll look at the agent submission only auditions
37:50
Speaker 2: and I'll just show up to them and then I
37:53
Speaker 2: would sign up. We've told the story before here, but
37:56
Speaker 2: I've signed I was signed up in the you know,
37:58
Speaker 2: in the cult sheet or whatever. The sign I would
38:03
Speaker 2: sign up my name, you know, they ask you for
38:05
Speaker 2: your social security yeah, and then and then you have
38:08
Speaker 2: to put your agency, So I would do like Smith
38:11
Speaker 2: in associates, and then I would put like my pager
38:15
Speaker 2: numbered or like my or like my house number, and
38:18
Speaker 2: then I and then when they would see that, they
38:20
Speaker 2: would like in the casting director assistance, they wouldn't know, right,
38:22
Speaker 2: So what I would do is I didn't have the sights,
38:25
Speaker 2: so I would like look over the people's shoulders and
38:29
Speaker 2: I would just memorize the.
38:32
Speaker 3: Way that's come on. You would literally and then you
38:36
Speaker 3: would go in the room.
38:37
Speaker 2: And then I would go in the room and audition
38:39
Speaker 2: and then like I'll get called backs and you know,
38:42
Speaker 2: and and I, you know, they'd call my house and
38:45
Speaker 2: my sister answered and yeah, it was it was but that.
38:48
Speaker 2: But I didn't have an agent, so I knew that
38:50
Speaker 2: those were the best parts. At the same time, I
38:53
Speaker 2: had this night and every Wednesday night, I will go
38:55
Speaker 2: and meet with all these actors. You know, they were
38:57
Speaker 2: like thirty year olds, forty year olds. And it was
38:59
Speaker 2: this class was last Void, who was an amazing teacher
39:02
Speaker 2: and she was teaching me for free because I couldn't
39:03
Speaker 2: afford it, and changes me to that agent.
39:05
Speaker 1: And therefore I would, you know, try to prepare whatever.
39:08
Speaker 2: And then eventually I my engine was warm enough, as
39:12
Speaker 2: we said. And then I auditioned for this pilot by
39:17
Speaker 2: the creators of you know, Throw Up from the Sun
39:20
Speaker 2: and head writers of Snel and you know, it was
39:22
Speaker 2: called Teenage Wasteland and I audition. I auditioned four times.
39:26
Speaker 2: And you know, this is like the worst time of
39:28
Speaker 2: my family's life. Like we were eating dinner the other night,
39:31
Speaker 2: it was like we were laid rent.
39:32
Speaker 1: You know, it was real. It was really bad.
39:34
Speaker 2: My dad borrowed money to take Thanking to this audition
39:36
Speaker 2: and like you signed contracts before your network audition and
39:39
Speaker 2: said you wouldn't make fifteen thousand dollars per episode, I
39:42
Speaker 2: mean for the for the pilot, and then ten thousand
39:44
Speaker 2: dollars per episode after that.
39:45
Speaker 1: And I was told my dad. I was like, fuck,
39:47
Speaker 1: imagine forget this thing. And and then long story shot.
39:49
Speaker 3: My dad's literally what that was the pay? Yeah, that's
39:53
Speaker 3: just so iveryrote those Yeah, that's criminal.
39:56
Speaker 2: Fifteen thousand dollars for the pilot and ten thousand dollars
39:58
Speaker 2: for episode after that, and then and then you know,
40:01
Speaker 2: so you get the par can I just.
40:03
Speaker 3: Real quick for people watching, just so everyone remembers that
40:05
Speaker 3: the height of around the same time friends, they were
40:09
Speaker 3: paying people a million dollars eiod. And what I said
40:11
Speaker 3: before about when it plays in reruns, right on a rerun,
40:16
Speaker 3: which happens all the time, you would get paid a
40:18
Speaker 3: million dollars again, so the reality is that they would
40:21
Speaker 3: pay you ten thousand dollars.
40:24
Speaker 2: And I was reading Guys Criminal, Yeah, and it's crazy.
40:28
Speaker 2: And then also you think about at the time, you
40:30
Speaker 2: also like have the agent and like the thing, and
40:33
Speaker 2: you pay the commissions and the taxes and whatever.
40:35
Speaker 1: You're walking you're walking home with forts.
40:37
Speaker 2: And I was eighteen, so like the taxes deemed like, oh,
40:39
Speaker 2: you're eighteen, you don't need that much money to live,
40:42
Speaker 2: so they tax you accordingly. You know, at the time
40:45
Speaker 2: it was for some reason, it was an H bracket thing.
40:47
Speaker 2: If you were between eighteen or twenty four, you should
40:50
Speaker 2: you you don't need that much to live, so we
40:52
Speaker 2: tax you more.
40:54
Speaker 3: I also want to say, look, I want to acknowledge too,
40:56
Speaker 3: is that ten thousand dollars a week is incredible in
41:00
Speaker 3: this industry for that show and the success it had.
41:04
Speaker 2: No no, and so so in that aspect, you know,
41:09
Speaker 2: I looked to my dad and then you know, all
41:12
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they called you and they're like, hey,
41:14
Speaker 2: they want you to come back tomorrow, and the day
41:16
Speaker 2: after that, and did day after that, and then after that,
41:19
Speaker 2: and we're like, oh my god, we got this part.
41:20
Speaker 2: And now it's like all I had to do is
41:21
Speaker 2: not get fired, right. So, like just like Swing for
41:24
Speaker 2: the Fences, So I created a character that was just like.
41:27
Speaker 1: An animal, you know. So we we had a lot
41:29
Speaker 1: of fun with that. But that you know, you don't
41:32
Speaker 1: know what that means. You don't know who's watching.
41:34
Speaker 2: We were between The Simpsons and The X Files, and
41:36
Speaker 2: the Simpsons would do this number.
41:38
Speaker 1: Then we would dip, and then the X Files would
41:40
Speaker 1: do this number.
41:40
Speaker 2: So people are like, that's not working right, But Peter
41:43
Speaker 2: Roth at the time just kind of held onto it.
41:45
Speaker 2: It was like, you let's try it next season again.
41:48
Speaker 2: And you know, remember Chris Carr hated us. They just
41:51
Speaker 2: they wanted us off the night because they're like, you're
41:53
Speaker 2: ruined the Sunday nights. It's like, if you remember television,
41:56
Speaker 2: Sunday Night at Fox between The Simpsons and The X
41:59
Speaker 2: File was like prime. Sure, so so that's what happened, man,
42:05
Speaker 2: But but you know, kind of like fast forward a
42:07
Speaker 2: little bit to the trajectory and some of those big moments.
42:11
Speaker 2: I used to watch her in all these movies, and
42:13
Speaker 2: then I found myself in my first movie, a little
42:17
Speaker 2: movie called Summer Catch by the producers of Varsity Blues,
42:21
Speaker 2: and and I I'm like, whoh, this was is the movie?
42:25
Speaker 2: And I remember it was Jessica Bill's first movie. Sure
42:28
Speaker 2: you know, Brian, you know it was Brandy Murphy, Brian Dennahey,
42:33
Speaker 2: you know, it was Freddie Prince Junior and Mark bluk
42:37
Speaker 2: Is a bunch of guys, fred Ward, you know, and
42:40
Speaker 2: then Matthew Lillard, which I don't know if I how
42:43
Speaker 2: many times I put a tollot at the time, but
42:45
Speaker 2: I was, and I am your biggest fan. That is
42:49
Speaker 2: not true, and it's absolutely true because there's a guy
42:52
Speaker 2: who like won And by the way, I was like twenty,
42:54
Speaker 2: I was twenty, I was nineteen.
42:57
Speaker 1: I was nineteen or you and.
43:01
Speaker 2: I love I loved comedy so much and so when
43:06
Speaker 2: I was in this movie, to see you in this
43:08
Speaker 2: movie was like, I felt like I had made it
43:11
Speaker 2: because I was like, this is a guy I look
43:13
Speaker 2: up to because you not only were a great actor,
43:16
Speaker 2: you were hilarious and until today, I would say the
43:20
Speaker 2: best part of every Freddie Prince Junior movie next week.
43:27
Speaker 2: You know, Freddie has his own podcast too, so you know,
43:30
Speaker 2: but have you talked to Freddie?
43:32
Speaker 1: Have you?
43:32
Speaker 6: Yeah?
43:33
Speaker 1: I've seen him around but not Okay, same same.
43:37
Speaker 2: My My point I'm making is that you were the
43:42
Speaker 2: first one to make me feel like I was doing
43:44
Speaker 2: it right. And and to me that was a major
43:48
Speaker 2: moment because here I am in a studio Warner Brothers
43:51
Speaker 2: movie while I'm playing this four xtin studio and TV,
43:54
Speaker 2: you know, and at the time, to do a big
43:56
Speaker 2: movie like that was a big deal, and especially because
43:58
Speaker 2: Varsity Blues then what and like, I'm with this cool
44:01
Speaker 2: ass cast and like Freddie Jr. And you and I
44:04
Speaker 2: had watched you do such great work and I was like,
44:07
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be like you.
44:08
Speaker 1: So I just want you to understand. How are you?
44:11
Speaker 1: How amazing men you go.
44:14
Speaker 3: And surpassed me by working for the next twenty years
44:17
Speaker 3: making one billion dollars.
44:20
Speaker 1: I mean, you are instid of a bitch, So I
44:24
Speaker 1: don't tell you.
44:24
Speaker 3: One of my favorite stories about you is that you
44:27
Speaker 3: were early on dating a woman, doesn't matter who, but
44:32
Speaker 3: this person was famous, and you started telling me the
44:35
Speaker 3: story about how you met. And I distinctly remember that
44:39
Speaker 3: Wilmer took two days to tell me about the relationship,
44:46
Speaker 3: long saying in the chair on set, walking back like
44:50
Speaker 3: hang out, Like I'm listening, I'm fully engaging the story
44:53
Speaker 3: because I know the person that he's talking about to
44:56
Speaker 3: only get to the point where they first kissed the
44:59
Speaker 3: first time. Yeah, and they had been in a relationship
45:01
Speaker 3: for a long time. I'm like, dude, you have got
45:03
Speaker 3: to tell stories faster. Two days, two days. Then then
45:09
Speaker 3: I looked at her and she looked back like this like,
45:12
Speaker 3: she looked like me, and she looked back, and then
45:15
Speaker 3: I looked at her, and then.
45:16
Speaker 1: I texted her literally details, those are the details. And
45:22
Speaker 1: then I took her.
45:23
Speaker 3: I took her to a nice dinner and then she ordered,
45:27
Speaker 3: and then I ordered.
45:28
Speaker 1: I was like, and the bill was yeah. Yeah.
45:31
Speaker 2: Then I picked up the bill because you know, my
45:33
Speaker 2: dad told me when I was little.
45:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've been to tell you.
45:36
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why I learned English in like
45:40
Speaker 2: metaphors and full sentences. I never knew how to abberiate anything, right,
45:45
Speaker 2: So like when I tell stories, I had to translate
45:48
Speaker 2: in my head, always the whole story. I always I
45:51
Speaker 2: only speak well now I can. I know, I think
45:54
Speaker 2: in English, but back then I only thought in Spanish,
45:58
Speaker 2: translated English and dance. Yeah yeah, yeah, and so so
46:02
Speaker 2: I was even my interviews were not just yeah it was.
46:06
Speaker 3: That was a super fun movie. That to me, I
46:07
Speaker 3: was getting married in that moment. We had our dog
46:11
Speaker 3: on the uh. We were in North Carolina. Yeah, and
46:16
Speaker 3: I was either acting, playing golf and or playing baseball.
46:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a great. It was a great. It
46:23
Speaker 1: was three months of us just like out there playing.
46:26
Speaker 3: You know, the next month after I got married. Yeah,
46:29
Speaker 3: I remember still married.
46:31
Speaker 1: Yeah that was what two thousand and three.
46:34
Speaker 3: We got married in two thousand, so yeah, yeah, that
46:37
Speaker 3: was two thousand that year.
46:40
Speaker 2: But it was it was such a I mean, it
46:42
Speaker 2: was such a safe and great environment. I mean even
46:45
Speaker 2: even Jessica was our first first movie for Jessica two
46:48
Speaker 2: in the Great Brandon Murphy.
46:50
Speaker 1: It was just a Joe. You guys had such great things, right. Yeah. Well,
46:53
Speaker 1: she wasn't really supposed to be in the movie. Really. Yeah,
46:56
Speaker 1: she was like visiting.
46:58
Speaker 3: I forgot the story now, but she was. She was
47:01
Speaker 3: in one scene and I went to Mike Tolen, director,
47:03
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, this woman is like electric. You should
47:08
Speaker 3: keep her in because she's super funny.
47:10
Speaker 6: She was it.
47:12
Speaker 3: She was acting, but I think she was like I
47:14
Speaker 3: actually think she was visiting somebody or like one of
47:18
Speaker 3: the Tony guys.
47:19
Speaker 1: I think she was his friend.
47:22
Speaker 3: I forgot, but she ended up I was like, can
47:25
Speaker 3: we can we make her my girlfriend in the movie.
47:28
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a part.
47:29
Speaker 3: Of the script originally, and she ended up becoming like
47:32
Speaker 3: my lov and or was like in a scene and
47:36
Speaker 3: then we extrapolated her. She was incredible, and then she
47:39
Speaker 3: went on to have this like media career and this
47:42
Speaker 3: horrible downfall.
47:43
Speaker 2: That was my first experience of going into a movie
47:46
Speaker 2: and seeing like and you know, Freddie Prince, you know,
47:48
Speaker 2: was such a movie star at the time, like he
47:50
Speaker 2: was just a guy.
47:51
Speaker 1: You put him in a movie.
47:52
Speaker 2: Every girl showed up, you know, you put Matthew in
47:55
Speaker 2: the movie. All of us showed up. Like like I'm
47:58
Speaker 2: telling you, there was, there was And I don't know
48:02
Speaker 2: how many times as anybody told you this stuff. And
48:05
Speaker 2: I cannot say enough, and I'll probably spend another thirty
48:08
Speaker 2: minutes giving you flowers, dude, but you really made a
48:10
Speaker 2: difference in my life and my career in general. I
48:13
Speaker 2: had a level of confidence and a level of belonging
48:16
Speaker 2: because of what you know, what you have done and
48:19
Speaker 2: energy and how you had empowered me and how much
48:22
Speaker 2: fun you were having with me in the scenes all
48:24
Speaker 2: the baseball stuff that we're doing.
48:25
Speaker 1: Like I remember, I.
48:26
Speaker 2: Could'll never forget how cool I felt when I ran
48:30
Speaker 2: from third and round up to home plate and I
48:33
Speaker 2: slide or whatever, and.
48:35
Speaker 1: You gave me this as the catcher.
48:38
Speaker 2: You gave me this hug like domo like and I
48:41
Speaker 2: was like, I felt like you were approving of everything
48:43
Speaker 2: I was doing in the movie by you giving me that,
48:46
Speaker 2: even though it was the two characters, but for me,
48:48
Speaker 2: it really mattered. And I just I don't know that
48:51
Speaker 2: enough people can you know, have the runway or the
48:56
Speaker 2: or the or the opportunity to say this to people.
48:59
Speaker 2: That really made a different But you're a hero mine.
49:01
Speaker 1: Oh that Midwest.
49:03
Speaker 3: Sensibility man, Yeah, I think that is a big part
49:07
Speaker 3: of it. It's also like just loving.
49:10
Speaker 1: First of all, you're very lovable and.
49:12
Speaker 3: In that moment, but you are I mean, you've grown
49:17
Speaker 3: into this beautiful man with an incredible career and you know,
49:22
Speaker 3: I knew you I was getting married. I was like
49:24
Speaker 3: this big transition point. You were still this young kid.
49:27
Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's it's it's lovely to watch
49:33
Speaker 3: you evolve into this.
49:36
Speaker 1: Thank you man, star, thank you which is what you are.
49:39
Speaker 1: Thank you man. Thank you. No.
49:41
Speaker 2: I think we we can all agree that it's been
49:45
Speaker 2: such a privilege to kind of endure the storms, you know,
49:49
Speaker 2: and to be able to see you, you know not
49:52
Speaker 2: you call it our resurface, which is like, you know,
49:54
Speaker 2: I think, to me, uh, there's never been another Matthew
49:58
Speaker 2: Lillar and that's why we had to put you back
49:59
Speaker 2: in the game, you know.
50:01
Speaker 1: And I also I also would say, we are spared
50:05
Speaker 1: you the.
50:05
Speaker 2: Spoiler conversations with a Superman conversation and have some conversations
50:10
Speaker 2: that's probably best.
50:11
Speaker 1: Are you wearing a cape? I am not wearing a cape.
50:14
Speaker 1: They're wearing a mask.
50:16
Speaker 3: I can't really. Don't we all kind of wear wear
50:19
Speaker 3: a mask? Don't all kind of wear a mask?
50:22
Speaker 1: Metaphor? I love that.
50:24
Speaker 3: Let me ask you, guys a couple of questions. Why
50:26
Speaker 3: did you start a podcast about craft?
50:30
Speaker 1: The podcast? Is that what you said? Is that what
50:33
Speaker 1: the podcast?
50:34
Speaker 6: Well, the podcast is really a reflection of Wilma and
50:37
Speaker 6: I would have these long dinners and have these long
50:41
Speaker 6: conversations that would be this roller coaster of this sort
50:45
Speaker 6: of proverbial state of high school and silliness mixed with
50:50
Speaker 6: like really really deep conversations about craft and about family
50:54
Speaker 6: and about life, and and it was always that, and
50:57
Speaker 6: it was it was it was his genius idea to say,
51:00
Speaker 6: why don't we just do what we did at the
51:01
Speaker 6: dinner here at the podcast and this is this is
51:04
Speaker 6: just an extension of our dinners.
51:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we had a structure and how we we
51:09
Speaker 2: always had a beginning, middle, and end, Like we also
51:11
Speaker 2: have to had a resolution to the conversations. We needed
51:14
Speaker 2: to walk away with something that was solved or figured
51:18
Speaker 2: out or whatever.
51:19
Speaker 1: And we have.
51:20
Speaker 2: So many friends and when we had dinner, you talk
51:22
Speaker 2: about your actor, you know, dinners, it's exact same way.
51:25
Speaker 2: There's just so much reflection, so many things that happen
51:28
Speaker 2: in that And and honestly, you know, I was working
51:31
Speaker 2: with iHeart and so many different things we're producing in
51:33
Speaker 2: all counts of podcasts, you know, with our production company,
51:36
Speaker 2: and and I just thought to myself, we don't have
51:40
Speaker 2: places that that have not This was not built as
51:46
Speaker 2: a transactional thing. This was built more as like you know,
51:50
Speaker 2: a therapeutic a space where we can we can dive
51:54
Speaker 2: deeper with our friends and the people that have made
51:56
Speaker 2: a difference in our lives and the people that have
51:58
Speaker 2: touched our careers alone the way.
52:00
Speaker 1: And it turned out to be more than therapeutic.
52:03
Speaker 2: It turned out to be like we're motalizing these stories
52:05
Speaker 2: that we help our children eventually visit and go, oh, okay,
52:08
Speaker 2: that's what he meant when he's been that or last
52:10
Speaker 2: where he was you know, where where where he started,
52:13
Speaker 2: and I think that was kind of part of it
52:15
Speaker 2: is kind.
52:15
Speaker 1: Of how do we pay tribute to that?
52:17
Speaker 2: And for us in our culture, we don't have enough,
52:20
Speaker 2: you know, for Latinos, there's not enough spaces where where
52:24
Speaker 2: other Latinos can see, you know, the level of ambition
52:28
Speaker 2: that has been eventually carried on in order for us
52:31
Speaker 2: to open the doors for all of us to do
52:33
Speaker 2: you know, what we do, and and you know, like
52:35
Speaker 2: we've been working for thirty thirty five forty years, you know,
52:38
Speaker 2: and and you think about like oh why when right,
52:42
Speaker 2: why why did we were allowed in? And like what
52:45
Speaker 2: continue and all that? And and I think now we're
52:47
Speaker 2: experiencing this crossroad on this, you know, this cultural narrative
52:52
Speaker 2: of like who what stories get champion?
52:54
Speaker 1: What characters you know, get to be on that screen?
52:57
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, the idea that we can
52:59
Speaker 2: multiply the voice doesn't highlight the stories that made the difference.
53:02
Speaker 1: You know, who knows.
53:03
Speaker 2: You know, maybe someone out there listens to this and goes, ah, man,
53:07
Speaker 2: I'm gonna.
53:07
Speaker 1: Hang on a little bit longer. And it doesn't matter
53:09
Speaker 1: what career.
53:10
Speaker 2: By the way, like this is the craft is the craft,
53:12
Speaker 2: but our craft is also in our journeys are also
53:14
Speaker 2: universal to any professional in any career. So that's the
53:18
Speaker 2: biggest I think the biggest negative truth for our podcast
53:21
Speaker 2: is like what are we leaving behind and what are
53:23
Speaker 2: we paying forward? And you know, and how do we
53:25
Speaker 2: give it back?
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Speaker 1: Is it rewarding?
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Speaker 4: It is rewarding.
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Speaker 6: I mean for me personally, rewarding on a bunch of
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Speaker 6: different levels. We're rewarding artistically, rewarding personally. I think for
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Speaker 6: me personally, like I tended to be a little more
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Speaker 6: closed off and shy, you know, and this is this
53:45
Speaker 6: has sort of brought me out of my.
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Speaker 4: Shell to a greater extent.
53:49
Speaker 6: My wife said to me the other day, you know,
53:51
Speaker 6: it's so beautiful about the podcast to feel like your
53:54
Speaker 6: fan base and the audience is getting to see a
53:56
Speaker 6: side of you they never saw before, you know.
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Speaker 4: So it's it's done that for me, you know.
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Speaker 6: And then I get to I get to hang out
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Speaker 6: with someone who I've known, you know, twenty five years,
54:06
Speaker 6: and we get to chop it up and and and
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Speaker 6: you know, all of it has just been super positive.
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Speaker 4: Man, I've had such a great time.
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Speaker 1: It's good. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But what's the thing, So you said that you take
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Speaker 3: things from every.
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Speaker 1: Interview. What do you? What do you? What are we
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Speaker 1: taking from this? From this? From this?
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Speaker 3: You're well our our conversation, I think for.
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Speaker 6: Me, like, I love that you're you where your sort
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Speaker 6: of Midwest thing on your sleeve, because I'm from the
54:37
Speaker 6: Midwest and I do the same. And I feel like
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Speaker 6: it's refreshing right in an industry where so many people
54:45
Speaker 6: are about ego and posturing and like, and you don't care,
54:48
Speaker 6: you're you're who you are, and you're not afraid to
54:50
Speaker 6: be who you are, you know.
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Speaker 1: So that's like that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's been pure.
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Speaker 5: I love the the sobering side of our conversation that
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Speaker 5: kind of told us that even when it seems like
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Speaker 5: what we love to do or what we're built to
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Speaker 5: be driftest, there is still a calling to be directly
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Speaker 5: and indirectly attached to what we've become and pass it on.
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Speaker 5: Like the fact that you were teaching to me was
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Speaker 5: was very humbling, because humbling, because how how beautiful that
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Speaker 5: we can also continue to live in our strength but
55:31
Speaker 5: have an opportunity to to pass it on as well.
55:34
Speaker 5: And I'm assuming that was also rewarding for you to
55:37
Speaker 5: see the spark and to do that right, it's the best.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So so that that part made what we do very
55:45
Speaker 2: human at a time where for generations they looked at
55:50
Speaker 2: all of the characters that we play as like these unapproachable,
55:55
Speaker 2: iconic moments of pop culture that people grew up watching,
55:58
Speaker 2: and and did people know that there was some reality
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Speaker 2: behind the artists that had immortalized these characters that is
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Speaker 2: more human than legendary.
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Speaker 1: Right, And I think.
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Speaker 2: That definitely touched me for me and in this conversation,
56:14
Speaker 2: and what I walk away from it is that no
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Speaker 2: matter how it turns out, it can still be okay.
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Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, I just if given the opportunity to pivot,
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Speaker 3: you just pivot with grace and love. I think the
56:25
Speaker 3: thing I like about this moment is that I love
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Speaker 3: to use two Hispanic men are these examples of having
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Speaker 3: really deep conversations about craft, friendship, perseverance, and like being
56:43
Speaker 3: a shining example for every kid out there that's either
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Speaker 3: Hispanic or not. I just think that that's super powerful.
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Speaker 2: I mean, not to bring your full circuit to it,
56:54
Speaker 2: but you know, it's about looking up, looking up to
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Speaker 2: the people that you know that lead by an example
57:02
Speaker 2: that you feel inspired to be and you know, so
57:07
Speaker 2: this is me giving you more flowers.
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Speaker 4: But absolutely, of.
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Speaker 1: Course that I love this whole. I'll I never get
57:15
Speaker 1: to talk like this.
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Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, I feel like I talked like this around,
57:19
Speaker 3: you know, in class or we sit in fellowship and
57:23
Speaker 3: you know, we used to these things called actor actions
57:25
Speaker 3: where I invite friends and we you know, every two
57:28
Speaker 3: weeks we read a play and we start with the question,
57:32
Speaker 3: the question of the week, and I sort of put
57:34
Speaker 3: us in a circle and have conversations like having you know,
57:39
Speaker 3: artists in conversations talking about trials and tribulations and these
57:43
Speaker 3: the journey. I think it's super powerful because you so
57:45
Speaker 3: many times, you know, somebody's out there feels alone like,
57:48
Speaker 3: oh it's.
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Speaker 1: Only me, no understands.
57:50
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, did you gotta find your tribe?
57:54
Speaker 1: Right? You know?
57:54
Speaker 3: And I think that the ability to express that is awesome.
57:58
Speaker 2: Somebody said before we tag it out, somebody said that
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Speaker 2: every generation goes through the exact symbol.
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Speaker 1: Shit.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we all deal with the war, we all deal
58:09
Speaker 2: with the rise of an illness, right, we all deal
58:11
Speaker 2: with adversity, we all deal with inflation or crashed And
58:16
Speaker 2: when you think about you know, the common denominator about
58:20
Speaker 2: how we endure it. It's community, right, It's how we
58:24
Speaker 2: get through it.
58:25
Speaker 7: Right.
58:25
Speaker 2: It's the people you surround yourself with this, the people
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Speaker 2: that you lock arms with, the go okay, we're gonna
58:29
Speaker 2: we're gonna take the hit together.
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Speaker 1: And when I just walk on.
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Speaker 2: On the other side and and I think that's.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 3: We see that in Minnesota, right against ice and against
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Speaker 3: people standing up.
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Speaker 1: People stand up and the whole thing, and they endure it.
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Speaker 3: Normal people in Minnesota like just like yeah, as like
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Speaker 3: and for regulating our.
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Speaker 2: Culture to see all the cultures stand up for for
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Speaker 2: the little guy who's by the way.
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Speaker 1: A giant in this country.
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Speaker 2: Like it's it's more, yeah, it's it's really it's really
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Speaker 2: beauty up to do that.
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Speaker 1: But that said, I'm Wilmer Volorama.
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Speaker 3: I'm Freddie Rodriguez, and yes, thank you, I like the airhorn.
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Speaker 7: Airhorndos is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's Michael
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Speaker 7: Tuda podcast network, hosted by me, Freddie Rodriguez and Wilmer Valdorama.
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Speaker 2: Those Amigos is produced by Cooper Mole and Sophie Spencer saveles.
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Speaker 7: Our Executive producers are Wilmervalderama, Freddie Rodriguez, and Leo Klem
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Speaker 7: at WV Sound.
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Speaker 2: This show is mixed and mastered by Sean Tracy and
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Speaker 2: original music by Madison, Devinport and Halo Boy.
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Speaker 7: For more podcasts from My Heart, visit the R Heart
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Speaker 7: favorite shows.
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Speaker 1: See you next week.