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Steve Price | 31 October · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live.
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  Speaker 2: This is Steve Price. Welcome to Friday Nights. Well.
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  Speaker 3: We have been predicting this for a couple of years now. Victoria,
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  Speaker 3: the second largest state in Australia, at eight forty five
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  Speaker 3: last night, decided to extract itself from the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the Commonwealth and pass a treaty bill in a deal
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  Speaker 3: to favor one percent of the population over the rest.
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  Speaker 3: It's a divisive move by a hard left government, ignoring
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  Speaker 3: the fact a clear majority of Victorians voted No.
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  Speaker 2: In the Voice referendum. It is extraordinary on that.
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  Speaker 3: Victorian Shadow Police Minister David Southwick first up tonight, plus
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  Speaker 3: one of the leading voices of the No campaign during
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  Speaker 3: that referendum, the Voice Vote Crowd, Indigenous man Warren Mundine,
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  Speaker 3: will be on the program.
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  Speaker 2: Also.
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  Speaker 3: The Federal Liberals have been meeting in Canberra today in
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  Speaker 3: what had been boasted was a no holds barred open
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  Speaker 3: discussion on energy policy, including what to do about net zero.
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  Speaker 3: What I can work out zero came out of the
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  Speaker 3: meeting Today. I'll be joined by the IPA's Adam Crayton.
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  Speaker 3: He joins us with some stunning historical facts about the
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  Speaker 3: reality of climate change and possibly the biggest royal story
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  Speaker 3: out of Britain. Since the death of Princess Diana and
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  Speaker 3: the passing of Queen Elizabeth, Prince Andrew is no longer
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  Speaker 3: a prince, stripped of his royal titles, including being called
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  Speaker 3: a prince, and he's going to be kicked out of
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  Speaker 3: his home Royal Lodge. Regular UK observer Adrian Hayes will
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  Speaker 3: join us on the program to look at what now
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  Speaker 3: for Andrew. First though in emotional, historic and chaotic scenes.
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  Speaker 3: Last night, in the Victorian Parliament's Upper House, Australia's second
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  Speaker 3: largest state by population became by law a divided state,
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  Speaker 3: a place where your skin color your DNA gives you
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  Speaker 3: an advantage over non indigenous Victorians. A treaty bill past
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  Speaker 3: the Victorian Parliament where the ten year old Labor government
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  Speaker 3: has a lower House majority, and when you combine their
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  Speaker 3: numbers in the Upper House with those of the Greens
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  Speaker 3: and a mixed match of independence, a clear advantage so
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  Speaker 3: they could push this through. These were the scenes when
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  Speaker 3: that bill passed last night. Well a Premier to Cendra Allen.
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  Speaker 3: She was quick to hit her Twitter or x account
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  Speaker 3: with this last night.
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  Speaker 2: This is her words.
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  Speaker 3: Victoria made history the first state in the nation to
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  Speaker 3: pass a treaty with first people's built on truth, on respect,
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  Speaker 3: on trust. So let's see how long this Kumbaya moment
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  Speaker 3: is actually going to last.
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  Speaker 2: This treaty is bad news.
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  Speaker 3: And late today a Herald Sun pol was running at
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  Speaker 3: ninety four percent of Victorians saying they disagree.
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  Speaker 2: With this treaty.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is what the state's environment minister I had
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  Speaker 3: to say on the level of support for the treaty.
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  Speaker 4: Do you believe the majority of Victorians support the treaty?
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  Speaker 5: I think the majority of Victorians support people having better
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  Speaker 5: decision making abilities for their own lives.
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  Speaker 2: That's what this is about.
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  Speaker 5: You give people decisions out of their own lives, you
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  Speaker 5: get better outcomes.
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  Speaker 1: That is exactly what treaty is about.
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  Speaker 3: Steve, that wasn't the question, and you didn't answer it. Look,
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  Speaker 3: this is a treaty for, according to the twenty one
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one census, to accommodate one percent of the
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  Speaker 3: population that's around sixty six thousand people only in a
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  Speaker 3: state of seven million. Its vocal supporters, including of course,
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  Speaker 3: the state's hard left premier, just Sina Allen, claim the
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  Speaker 3: creation of an Indigenous Council will improve outcomes in justice,
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  Speaker 3: in health, in education, and cultural recognition. Victoria already has
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  Speaker 3: a separate court system for Indigenous Victorians, the Corey Court,
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  Speaker 3: and just this week at least one major hospital in
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  Speaker 3: its emergency department pushed patients identifying.
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  Speaker 2: As Aboriginal up the queue.
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  Speaker 3: So you have to ask how far are we going
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  Speaker 3: to go here in dividing Victorian against Victorian. This Indigenous Council,
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  Speaker 3: called Gelangual, will, as of the governor signing this bill
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  Speaker 3: into law, oversight all state government departments, every one of them,
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  Speaker 3: and agencies. And it will embed truth telling and a
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  Speaker 3: new curriculum into schools everything from prep year ten.
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  Speaker 2: But wait, there's more.
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  Speaker 3: This body, gelang Wal, will be elected only by Indigenous Victorians,
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  Speaker 3: no one else. But it will have extraordinary powers, including
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  Speaker 3: the right to demand government departments consult on programs and
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  Speaker 3: policies affecting Indigenous people. Why well, as has become very
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  Speaker 3: clear very quickly, all Victorians now are not equal. Gone
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  Speaker 3: is the concept that every four years you have a
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  Speaker 3: state election. MP's are voted in or out. The party
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  Speaker 3: that wins them already governs the state. Now they will
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  Speaker 3: govern at the behest of a bunch of people voted
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  Speaker 3: in by less than sixty thousand other people.
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  Speaker 2: How can we agree to that.
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  Speaker 3: The government says they won the last two state elections
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  Speaker 3: with treaty as a policy that ignores the voice result,
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  Speaker 3: I might point out, and ignores the fact that treaty
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  Speaker 3: was not even I wouldn't have thought in the top
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  Speaker 3: ten policies people voted on. People still don't understand it.
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  Speaker 3: This Council will also establish a new naming authority for
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  Speaker 3: geographical features.
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  Speaker 2: Get set for that.
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  Speaker 3: The Treaty built by the way passed with the support
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  Speaker 3: of the Greens, the Legalized Cannabis Party and Animal Justice.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and just.
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  Speaker 3: By the bye, the Allen Labor government that is so
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  Speaker 3: determined to lift up the voices of Indigenous Victorians. As
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  Speaker 3: just one Indigenous member of Parliament, Sheena Watt, I guess
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  Speaker 3: factional wheeling and dealing doesn't extend to selecting MPs. I'll
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  Speaker 3: talk to Victorian Shadow Police Minister David Southwick. Either SEC
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  Speaker 3: the Opposition has a clear policy on this. They will
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  Speaker 3: if they win the next election in November next year,
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  Speaker 3: repeal the Treaty Act within one hundred days, as I said,
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  Speaker 3: joining me now to discuss the treaty and more in
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  Speaker 3: Victoria Shadow Police Minister David Southwick. Despite the fact fifty
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  Speaker 3: four percent of Victorians voted David against a Federal Voice,
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  Speaker 3: this treaty Bill has now been passed. Does that suggest
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  Speaker 3: to you the Allen government has ignored the wishes of
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  Speaker 3: a significant number of Victorians.
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  Speaker 2: Good thing.
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  Speaker 6: Steve Well again a premier, completely out of touch and
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  Speaker 6: no one voted for this. We know what the result
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  Speaker 6: of the Voice referendum was, but again this is divisive.
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  Speaker 6: We're all Australian, we should all be treated the same.
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  Speaker 6: And all this is going to do is at another
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  Speaker 6: level of bureaucracy at a cost of billions of dollars
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  Speaker 6: in a time when Victorians can't afford it, and we've
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  Speaker 6: already got enough governments do we need anymore?
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  Speaker 3: I should point out that this outfit that is going
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  Speaker 3: to be embedded in Parliament, this gelling Wold, that's going
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  Speaker 3: to cost Victorian taxpayers seventy million a year.
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  Speaker 2: That's the estimate. Now it'll be more.
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  Speaker 6: That's the starting point beyond.
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  Speaker 3: We broke, How can we afford to pay another seventy
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  Speaker 3: million dollars for another piece of parliament?
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  Speaker 6: Who knows? And the time. I mean in getting anything
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  Speaker 6: past we know in terms of planning and all kinds
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  Speaker 6: of other laws. There is such a drag time on
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  Speaker 6: this when you add another layer of government that would
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  Speaker 6: cause more delays, more costs, and we're already got the
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  Speaker 6: don't come to Victoria flag gaup there at the moment,
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  Speaker 6: I think this is going to send all the wrong
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  Speaker 6: signals at a time when people are desperate for confidence.
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  Speaker 6: We want to see people coming to Victoria. It is divisive,
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  Speaker 6: as you said. If you saw as you mentioned about
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  Speaker 6: what happened at SA Vincent Hospital where people are getting
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  Speaker 6: preferential treatment because of the color of their skin, that's
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  Speaker 6: before the treaty. Who knows what this is.
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  Speaker 2: Going to do.
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  Speaker 3: Average Victorians haven't woken up to this yet. I don't
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  Speaker 3: believe the Liberal Party. It's up to you to now
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  Speaker 3: argue why this is a bad thing. There are a
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  Speaker 3: number of aspects, I think where you can argue very strongly.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to introduce a separate curriculum in all of
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  Speaker 3: the state government schools from prep to year ten, which
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  Speaker 3: is going to be labeled truth telling, which is it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a heavily promoted version of history. By
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  Speaker 3: Indigenous Victorians.
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  Speaker 6: Should that happen in a crowded curriculum where the kids
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  Speaker 6: are struggling to learn to read and write. We've got
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  Speaker 6: a whole lot of issues in terms of kids being
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  Speaker 6: able to just be able to have the resilience that
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  Speaker 6: we need and we don't need any more. You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 6: There are so many layers to this, and on top
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  Speaker 6: of all that, Victorians don't feel safe. This is a
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  Speaker 6: diversion away from the real issues that matter in Victoria
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  Speaker 6: at the moment, and the government have got all the
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  Speaker 6: priorities wrong. And I think the first priority is let's
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  Speaker 6: get our safe state. Let's get our state safe, and
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  Speaker 6: let's ensure that we can afford things. With close to
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  Speaker 6: two hundred billion dollars worth of costs, over a million
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  Speaker 6: dollars an hour just to pay the debt at the moment,
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  Speaker 6: how are we going to afford this?
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  Speaker 3: The thirty three members of this group elected by Indigenous Victorians. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the last time they had one of these votes, nowhere
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  Speaker 3: near one hundred percent of the one percent of Victorians
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  Speaker 3: or Indigenous actually bothered to turn up and vote. But
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  Speaker 3: what does it mean them having direct access to a minister?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what else gets.
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  Speaker 6: That, Well, nobody else gets that.
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  Speaker 2: So it is and.
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  Speaker 3: You've served as a minister. So are they going to
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  Speaker 3: be able to pick the phone up?
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  Speaker 2: And so we're not happy that you're going to have passed
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  Speaker 2: this law.
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  Speaker 6: Well it's direct access. They haven't quite served as some
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  Speaker 6: minister and system minister, but hopefully soon. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: mean we will overturn this in the first one hundred
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  Speaker 6: days we have.
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  Speaker 2: To, can you.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the only problem with that is we need to
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  Speaker 6: get control of the Upper House as well. We saw
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  Speaker 6: the deal that was done with the Greens with the
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  Speaker 6: Animal Justice Party to be able to get this pass
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  Speaker 6: in the first place. I think interns have had a
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  Speaker 6: gut full and I'm hoping go close to the election
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  Speaker 6: time when they see the cost, when they see the
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  Speaker 6: level of bureaucracy and the divisive nature where all Australians
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  Speaker 6: we should all be treated the same. This will actually
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  Speaker 6: be very divisive. Does it mean if from a different
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  Speaker 6: multicultural background you should also get your own set of bodies?
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  Speaker 3: And how's the Indian community, the Chinese community, the Vietnamese community,
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  Speaker 3: how are they feeling about this?
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  Speaker 2: Where does this stop?
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  Speaker 6: We need to unify people at this particular time, and
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  Speaker 6: this particular treaty thing does nothing to that.
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  Speaker 3: One of the other Upper House members they needed was
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  Speaker 3: the Legalized Cannabis Party. I mean my feeling on that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but that's
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  Speaker 3: the next line will go down if you've got a
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  Speaker 3: broke state government who today, by the way, I've written
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  Speaker 3: a column in Erald's unsaying they're doubling the cost of
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  Speaker 3: registering a cat and a dog from next year revenue
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  Speaker 3: from selling cannabis.
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  Speaker 6: Who knows, well, possibly we know it. We've got congestion tax,
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  Speaker 6: emergency services tax, pet taxes, now probably legalizing marijuana. This
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  Speaker 6: guvernment won't stop at anything to try and pay the
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  Speaker 6: massive debt, get themselves out of trouble, and at the
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  Speaker 6: same time turn people away from Victoria. We've got to
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  Speaker 6: get people back to Victoria. We need confidence and we're
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  Speaker 6: not going to do it by tax.
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  Speaker 2: Church General sooner kill Kenny.
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  Speaker 3: She's admitted that Victoria is facing an under precedented US
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  Speaker 3: crime Thanks. I hadn't taken longer to wake up with
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  Speaker 3: that new data revealing one in ten young offenders failing
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  Speaker 3: to complete community service orders. Surely, if you're told you
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  Speaker 3: have to do a community service.
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  Speaker 2: All you have to do it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you think you have to turn up, Well, they
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  Speaker 6: don't turn up. That's not happening at the moment. And
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  Speaker 6: then the serious offenders don't go to jail either. So
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  Speaker 6: we've seen machete sword fights happening at broad Meadows just
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  Speaker 6: the other day. Three crimes in four days in broad Meadows.
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  Speaker 6: They're back on the streets. So we've got to ensure
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  Speaker 6: that you have some consequences here. That's not happening at
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  Speaker 6: the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Got one year old grandmother and brighton two invaders in
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  Speaker 3: her defender home. She was lucky enough to scare them off. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we've had I think every night this week a home Invoge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no violent one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Look, we've got to get consequences. We've got to get
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  Speaker 6: the rule book back. We saw also the government wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: pass stronger protest powers as well in this when we
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  Speaker 6: offered that up this week.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a law of state.
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  Speaker 3: There's no consequence so bad that we've got major retailers
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  Speaker 3: like Bunnings and West Farmers and Meyer and all of
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  Speaker 3: the big department stores. We are what have we got
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  Speaker 3: forty percent of Australia's in store theft happens in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, again the retail crime capital. When you've got major
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  Speaker 6: retailers standing up and saying they've had a gut full
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  Speaker 6: of this, that says something the government promised eighteen months
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  Speaker 6: ago to protect workers. They're meant to be the party
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  Speaker 6: of the workers. They're not protecting workers at all. At
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  Speaker 6: the moment we're going into the Christmas period, we staff
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  Speaker 6: not feeling safe working in retail because the government's turn
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  Speaker 6: their backs on them. The government needs to wake up,
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  Speaker 6: the Premier needs to wake up and ensure that safety
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  Speaker 6: is a priority, not all these other diversionary stuff. Let's
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  Speaker 6: get Victoria safe again, and let's get this government actually
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  Speaker 6: doing something rather than their head in the sand like
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  Speaker 6: they've been doing.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you again, Thank you very much, David Southwick. There.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's extraordinary. People just wander into these major.
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  Speaker 3: Department stores, grab what there was a talkback caller this week,
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  Speaker 3: grab ten bottles of single malt whiskey and walked out
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  Speaker 3: the store and the security guard can't do a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's move on now. Today members of.
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  Speaker 3: The Federal Liberal Party, as I mentioned, had a meeting
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  Speaker 3: in Cambra to discuss energy and net zero policies. Here
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  Speaker 3: was the Shadow Energy Minister, Dan teen speaking after that meeting.
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  Speaker 7: Incredibly helpful for me as I continue this process of
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  Speaker 7: making sure that we've got energy in omissions reduction policy
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  Speaker 7: that is in the national interest. And the key takeout
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  Speaker 7: for me is that how many things that we're united
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  Speaker 7: on join us now?
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  Speaker 3: Friday regular from a Queensland Premier Campbell Newman Campbell, I
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  Speaker 3: listened to that, and I listened to the reports of
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  Speaker 3: what unfolded in camp today. It seemed to me to
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  Speaker 3: be a net zero meeting about net zero. Nothing happened.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly mate.
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  Speaker 8: And the problem is that until the Liberal Party and
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  Speaker 8: perhaps the elements of the National parties still wake up
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  Speaker 8: to themselves and prepare to actually go out and fight
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  Speaker 8: and make an argument, they're not going to get anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: And this is what they should be saying, Steve. They
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  Speaker 4: should be saying.
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  Speaker 8: Net zero is a preposterous, outrageous lie. It will not
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  Speaker 8: achieve anything in terms of climate if you believe in that,
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  Speaker 8: it is going to destroy Australia economically, it will drive
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  Speaker 8: jobs offshore, and most importantly right now it is driving
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  Speaker 8: inflation higher through energy prices. In a week where we
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  Speaker 8: saw a higher than an expected inflation result, a huge
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  Speaker 8: component of that it was a nine percent increase in
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  Speaker 8: energy costs. Steve, this is the reality of it, and
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  Speaker 8: all the Liberal Party need to do now is start
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  Speaker 8: get away from this stupid policy and point that out
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  Speaker 8: to Australians. Energy prices will go up again and again
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  Speaker 8: and again constantly while this fantasy plays out as we
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  Speaker 8: do industrialize Australia. I probably been as hard as I've
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  Speaker 8: ever been about this issue, but that's what they have
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  Speaker 8: to do.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Susan Lee didn't even attend the meeting today, and
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  Speaker 3: what's the point of having a round table All bets
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  Speaker 3: are off discussion about what the policy should be and
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  Speaker 3: the leader is not even there.
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  Speaker 8: Well, maybe someone will take good minutes for her and
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  Speaker 8: give her a briefing. I mean, you know, the leader
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  Speaker 8: has to be in there and part of it. But
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  Speaker 8: the trouble with this whole thing is that the left
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  Speaker 8: of the Liberal Party are in charge clearly because there's
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  Speaker 8: no sign of a change coming. But you know what
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  Speaker 8: I'm trying to articulate is it is this whole rotten
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  Speaker 8: edit for Cisco close to crashing down. People like Matthew Canavan,
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  Speaker 8: Senator Matt Canavan, they get it.
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  Speaker 2: It is a.
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  Speaker 8: Rotting, stinking edifice, this whole net zero thing and the
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  Speaker 8: idea of going to renewables, and it just takes politicians
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  Speaker 8: with courage. Now, I firmly believe to point out, particularly
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  Speaker 8: to middle Australia, that they've moon conned and that their
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  Speaker 8: cost of living will continue to go through the roof,
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  Speaker 8: and their quality of life and everything they've enjoyed is
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  Speaker 8: now under threat. And the moment people start in political
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  Speaker 8: circles in the right start to actually join the dots
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  Speaker 8: for the population, you'll see an exodus of any sort
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  Speaker 8: of support.
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  Speaker 2: On this whole issue. Now.
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  Speaker 8: I mean it was eroding already prior to the last
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  Speaker 8: week or so. The polling was showing that, and if
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  Speaker 8: there were people of courage prepared to point it out
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  Speaker 8: to the community, I think you'd see the whole thing collapse.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the moderates in the Liberal Party seem to be
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  Speaker 3: scared that. You know, they've lost those seats to the tilS,
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  Speaker 3: they've lost those sort of middle ring of suburban seats
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  Speaker 3: in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, and they think if they say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to hold to these ambitions of net zero,
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  Speaker 3: that they're suddenly going to be painted as climate change deniers.
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  Speaker 2: They're not.
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  Speaker 3: They're just saying the reality here is we're going too
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  Speaker 3: quickly down this path to all renewables. It's not going
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  Speaker 3: to work. It's going to cost jobs. And as you say,
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  Speaker 3: energy or power is going to cost you more. I
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  Speaker 3: mean not just people at home when they get an
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  Speaker 3: electricity built through the letterbox, but business after business after business.
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  Speaker 3: I mean tom Ago, the biggest smelter in the country,
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  Speaker 3: says they can't keep operating because it's the energy cost
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: is too much. That's going to end up being brought
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: by the government. What happens when government buys things like
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: that doesn't work?
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well it's I'm reminded the old joke about stamping
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: out pornography by buying news agent. Well, here, we can't
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: have the government go around buying every business that is
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: sort of exposed to high energy. But I can tell
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: you now, actually the truth of it is that everybody's
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: exposed to higher energy costs. The cup of coffee you
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: enjoy in a local cafe, for example. You know, everything
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: that we do is fundamentally affected by the cost of energy.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I point out the oil.
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: Shocks of nineteen seventy three seventy four, what that did
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: to inflation. Globally, Inflation and higher intrast rates are being
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: driven in this country, particularly by energy costs and gym charmers.
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: And the PM papered over this over the last twelve
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: months by having these ridiculous government subsidies on people's power bills.
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: They were just a temporary sort of p and thimble track.
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: As for tomicgo mate, I mean, look, it's quite fascinating
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: how to see some of Simon Holmes of Courts comments
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: from about three or four years being brought up and.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Thrown back at him about this thing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: You know, you can't make aluminium in a country that
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: has high energy costs. These things will go to countries
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: that aren't on this sort of bandwagon, and that's where
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: the jobs will be and that's where the value add
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: will be. And we've had people for years saying we
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: shouldn't just dig stuff up out of the ground and
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: we should value add, we shouldn't.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Be a quarry.
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: Well that's where we're going as we strip Australia out
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: of any industry worthwhile.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Just briefly you would have heard my conversation there with
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: David Southwick about the Victorian Treaty. It's gone a lot
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: further than where the Queensland government's gone. How the visive
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: do you think this will be?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, look, it's just appalling.
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: Is breathtakingly divisive. Two systems of government, the one that
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: caters only for a very small minority group. This is
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: not the way to advance the cause of Indigenous people.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, all Australians.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Should be.
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: Treated the same way. And Victoria, as we've seen in
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: a range of other issues, is running a unique socialist
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: and expected extreme socialist experiment about how you can really
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: drive an economy into the ground. And my state, Steve
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: is going to be the beneficiary. And I've been sort
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: of probably gloating a bit.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: About that this year.
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm afraid we've got to extend the invitation to you,
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: your family, your friends to emigrate now while you can,
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: while you can get, while you can get a free
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: passage into Queensland, come and take refuge. As this madness continues,
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: like Victoria is going to be in such a bad
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: way by this time next year, it's just it's breathtaking.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: So many people on the way, you're going to have
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to shut the border. Campbell, great to catch up with
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: you OCA next week. My friend Campbell Newman there and
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: he's quite right. I mean Victorian's are fleeing the state
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: in great numbers. Now after the break the US Department
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: of Energy report which hits back at some of that
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: climate alarmism, I'll be joined by Adam Crichton plus Warren
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Mundane of join us on the program with his take
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: on Victoria's overnight treaty bill that passed Parliament. Welcome back
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: to sleep Price with you. I'll get to Warren Mundine
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: in a moment. I've got lots more to say and
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: unpick about that treaty bill that passed the Victorian Upper
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: House last night. On the weekend I read a fascinating
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: piece in The Australian by Adam Crichton from the IPA
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: on a new US report that dismantles Anthony Albanezey's climate
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: alarmism and the consensus behind it. Look in It in
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: that column explains how recent report from the US Department
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: of Energy questions the climate change alarmist narrative and disputes
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the attribution of most or more than half, of the
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: one point zero seven of global warming since eighteen fifty
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: human activity. He's in the studio with me now, the
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Institute of Public Affairs economists out of Crichton.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It It was a deep piece, but it was.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Extremely well researched, and once I read it, I thought
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: to myself, why not more people talking about this?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, certainly.
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: The original article itself one hundred and thirty pages. It's
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: available online. It's for educated readers. You can read it,
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: and it's just so interesting. It was hard to cram
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: in all the facts, I thought, actually, and it does
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: just dismantle the catastrophist narrative that we constantly hear in the.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Mainstream press, and it's just wrong.
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: These are extremely eminent scientists who wrote it, so you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: they have PhDs, they're physicists, their senior economists, and they're
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: not deniers. They admit the climate has warmed and they
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: say that carbon emissions do contribute to that. I mean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: no one really denies that. The question, just like you said,
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: is what is the human component? And they would say, well,
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: at best, it's very hard to say. I mean to
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: understand the climate decades in the future. Extremely difficult, very complex,
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: nonlinear system.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: And you know, for instance, we only.
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: Have one hundred and thirty years of data, right, and
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: yet we're making assumptions about hundreds of thousands of years
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: of climate. We just can't do that, right. One hundred
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: thirty years is not a lot. And frankly we've only
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: got good data for about forty years. So you know,
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: how can you make these grandiose forecast for you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: twenty one hundred what the temper is going to be
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: just a few facts.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: So the sea levels, you know, we are sea levels arising.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask you what were it? You know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: when you're plowed your way through this, what was it? Went? Wow?
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: Well, firstly, between a quarter and a half of the
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: world is much greener than it was because there are
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: more carbon There is more carbon drug side in the atmosphere.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: So it's a good thing.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: The more trees, what the earth is healthy, The earth
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: is healthier. Crop yields are much higher.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: There's all sorts of studies out there that they reference about.
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: French farmers benefiting US farmers. You just don't read these
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: studies in the press. Okay, sure, sea levels are up
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: twenty centimeters in one hundred years.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: It's two five cent pieces a year.
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: Right, You're hard to get to notice it, and you
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: know you can see with coastal house prices. No one's
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: obviously taking any notice as forecasts anyway.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: But you know I.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Started the councils taking rules and regulations based on that
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the suddenly the community is going to.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: Be flood Well, speaking of floods, I started the piece
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: with a quote from Anthey Albanesi from the Bush Summit
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: a couple of months ago, when he's telling all these people, oh,
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: we're going to have extreme weather and of climate change. Well,
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: there's actually no statistical significance that these floods or outs
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: or whatever are linked to climate change. There's the huge
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: droughts in the nineth century, huge storms in nineteent century.
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: In fact, there's one storm in eighteen sixty one in
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: December in California. And when I read about this, I'm think,
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: oh my god, I just imagine if that happened now.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: Ye ten feet of rain called the Arc storm, the
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: whole valleys were filled with water.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Just imagine the hysteria if that happened now.
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: But the point is that happened before you know, there
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: was industrialization basically, so there's just huge variability in climate.
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: You know, we are probably contributing, but even if we are,
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: and so you know, the last third of the report is, Okay,
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: let's assume that we are doing it well.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: The cost of changing is just too much.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: We should just.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Deal with it if it happens.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, how much can Australia do well?
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: The report even fixing well?
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: The report even said even in the case of the
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: United States, which is thirteen percent of global emissions, even
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: if they got rid of all of their their internal
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: combustion engine cars, it wouldn't make a scrap of difference.
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: And even if the US got rid of all submissions,
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: wouldn't make much of a difference. So Australia with one percent,
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: obviously it can't make any difference whatsoever.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: So look, I you know, I really recommend reading it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: It's a great it's a great piece of work, lots
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: of references, and I might add they only use the
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: studies that are in the IPCC report itself, right, And
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: I should add the IPCC report, which of course most
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: journals don't read, is actually a pretty dispassionate and objective.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: It's not hysterical.
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: It's just you only get the summaries at the start
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: that the think tanks, you know, put out a journalists
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: journalist had so anyway, it was like Bill Gates now
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: for turning.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: But when you sit more question time and you see
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Chris Bowen do his vaudeville act, which he does every
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: time he's asked a question about climate change and global warming,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: no one's going to convince him to reverse where he's going.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: Look, I think the Labor Party is going to look
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: very silly on this question in its few years.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I mean it's not just Bill Gates. I mean it's
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Tony Blair in the UK is said.
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: The UK's the UK's policy is very similar to ours,
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: are completely out of whack.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: They're crazy, they're too extreme.
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: I think the narrative is falling apart all around the world.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: I mean, you're seeing the inflation figures this week with
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: energy prices. People are just not going to believe this,
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: and it's a lie. Let's be honest, it's a lie.
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: Chris Bowen must know, he's not a stupid man. He
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: must know that more wind and solar does increase power
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: prices and so when he says it doesn't, I mean
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: there must be a lie.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Just finally, coalition sat down today, they had a big
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: meeting and you know, all hands on deck, we're going
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: to talk honestly about what we should do about NED
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: climate change. NED zero came out with nothing, no decision
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: on what they might or might not do. The leader
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: wasn't even there, so they not just need a good shaking.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: Look, I think only for Australia, we just need the
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: National Party to come out against it. We need one
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: of the major parties to attack it every day because
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: support for it is thin. I mean, surveys show this, IPA,
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: surveys show this. Okay, people want to do net zero,
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: they don't even know what that means, and they're not
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: willing to spend much money to do it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: And there's no.
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: Major party basically pointing out all the facts that you
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: and I know. And if that happened, I think you'd
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: see support crumble, just like it has around the world.
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: I mean it's in the US it's crumbling, certainly, Argentina
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: it's crumbling.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Air President doesn't want a bar of it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Great to catch up with you, I know you're on
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: a special assignment next week. I love to talk to
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: you when you get back from that. Thanks Dovie, Thanks everybody.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Adam Crichton there overnight, as I said, Victoria's become the
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: first state to pass legislation that will enable a treaty
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: with its Indigenous population, which I said at the start
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: tonight numbers one percent of the population of Victoria, around
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: sixty six thousand people. That's according to the twenty twenty
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: one census. Now it's quite a stonis when you consider
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the majority of Victorians voted against this kind of division
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: when they voted no in the referendum. One of the
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: main proponents of the no campaign was Indigenous leader Warren Mundine.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: We talked to him regularly on the program. He joins me, Now, Warren,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I mean government like the Victorian How can the Victorian
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: state government just completely ignore what fifty was it fifty
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: four or fifty seven percent of Victorian said we don't
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: want an alternative voice.
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: Well, not only that, when they had the vote for
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: the treaty within the Aboriginal community, where the eligible people
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: who could vote, only a seven percent of them supported
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: the treaty. So that's ninety three percent of even Aboriginals
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: did not support the treaty, and I can see why
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: because even if you are a treaty supporter, it doesn't
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: recognize Aboriginal culture, it doesn't recognize traditional owners, and that
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: it's just another body.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: That the labor pays sets up.
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: But I'm not surprised that the Jacinda Allen government has
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: ignored that. They've been ignoring the economy for a long time,
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: and you can see the state is just a basket case.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: You and I've talked for years about the issue of
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: the gap between Indigenous Australians and non Indigenous and you
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: and I have often said what you're going to do
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: here is come up with ways to make that better.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Is this treaty, which was passed in the upper house
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: of the Victorian Parliament last night, going to do that?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: No?
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: Not.
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: There's a track record in this area. You've seen a
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: number of these, you know things done across Australia since
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: the nineteen seventies and it hasn't made any change in
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: average people's lifestyle. What you've got to do is focus
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: on education, focus on crime, focus on economic development, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: focus on governance.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: You know, we've got a lot of money coming out.
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: Of the mining industry across Australia billions of dollars every
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: year going into Aboriginal communities and.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: It hasn't changed their lives.
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: You've got billions of dollars of government funding going into.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: This area and it hasn't changed their life.
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: You know, these people who are sitting on these bodies
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: have been around for a long time. You've seen New
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: South Wales of the New South Wales Aboriginal Land Brights Act.
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: You know, it's been there since nineteen eighty three, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: it hasn't improved Aboriginal people's lives. So we've got to
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: stop treating people differently. We've got to treat them on
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: a needs basis. Aboriginals like myself, we don't need any
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: of this. There's very lot of Aboriginals who are like this,
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: you know, something like eighty percent of them, and we
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: need to start doing getting to the real problems and
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: the real issues that are happening.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: I see this, it's just a sideshow because of the
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: crime rate that's happening in Melbourne. He's seen read at
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: Paparni's article today about it. Even though she's a lover
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: of Melbourne's he reckoned Sydney's even better than we will.
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: You're going to get the energy cost. Everything is falling
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: apart in Victoria. And I'm glad to hear that Ben
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: Thatton has come out and made it quite quite clear
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: that in the next election, maybe within the first hundred days,
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: pull this, pull this tready out.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Well, this thirty three person outfit called galung Wile that's
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: going to cost seventy.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Million dollars a year.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: It's going to have direct access to government departments, government ministers.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: They're not going to pay land tax, They're going to
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: be free of freedom of information. They're going to put
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: a new curriculum into schools. This is all of the
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: work of what I call inner urban Indigenous professionals.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: That's who benefits from it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Not the people out in remote communities around Australia, even
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: remote communities like in the in the northwest of Victoria
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: up round Robin Varler and Mildura.
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: And a good hint of who they're looking after, it's
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: just you don't have to pay land tax. How many Australians,
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: whether they're Abriginal or non Aboriginal, actually pay land tax.
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: You have to be quite wealthy to do that, and
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: you have to have a very expensive land.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: In that to do that.
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: So they're only looking after themselves and that's what they
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: all do. They forget about the abrigins on the ground,
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: the people out there in the remote regional areas and
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: in the.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Bush and who are struggling.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: Who are you know, they can't get jobs, that their
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: kids are not going to school, The statistics are terrible
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: in that place, and the health standards are not going
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: forward as well.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So look, this is just.
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: Another bright idea by the government to actually divert away
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: from the problems that are really facing Abiginal people.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Warren, it was great to catch up with you. Thank
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you very much, Wara Mundine. They're a voice of reason
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: when it comes to indigenous politics. Now, coming up after
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the break, what about this story. We'll discuss King Charles
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: dramatics to boot his own brother out of the Royal Lodge.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: But is it too late to prevent the long term
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: damage to the Royal brand.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: That's up next. Welcome back panel coming up shortly.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: We've all witnessed some pretty big royal stories, you know, life,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: probably none bigger, I guess than the death of Her
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Majesty Queen Elizabeth. And of course we had the tragic
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: death of Princess Diana. We've had various royal visits to Australia,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: but I think this is probably one of the biggest
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: royal scandals in history. It's finally culminated in a decision
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: in the last twenty four hours by King Charles to
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: kick his own brother, Prince Andrew, not only out of
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: the Royal lodge, but strip him of his titles. He'll
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor So to take
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: the title Prince off you. I thought that was impossible.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I thought because he was a born son of the Queen,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: that he was born a prince. I don't know legally
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: how this has been to happen, but if the King
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: says it, then the King can do it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: He to discuss. Now.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: This has been received in Britain in particular, but around
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the world's Sky News commentator contributor Adrian Hies Adrian great,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: to lay eyes on you again. Should the king have
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: moved earlier?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Do we think?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 34:19
  Speaker 12: Good?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Even Steve.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Good evening to all your viewers and listeners.
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: Look the term the artist formerly known as prince has
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: got a new take. The royal formerly known as Prince
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: I would say this is unprecedented, and the whole media
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: action it was surprising, but it's astonishing.
• 34:37
  Speaker 13: It's never happening. Nothing like this has happened for hundreds
• 34:39
  Speaker 13: of years.
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: Even the late King Edar the Eighth when he abdicated,
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: he kept the title the Jug of Windsor when he
• 34:46
  Speaker 12: emigrates to France with Wallace Simpson. So it's huge, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: I think why the king has finally acted because we've
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: had this flurry of email disclosures coming through. I personally
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: think there's probably some big things about to hit the
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: screens or hit our networks, and.
• 35:04
  Speaker 13: It just became unpresent. But there's one thing above all.
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: It's the knowledge that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, as he has
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: down is lie.
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: Lied when he spoke.
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: To Emily makee lists of the other channel and two
• 35:17
  Speaker 12: other things, and this is what people. People don't like lies.
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: I think he's finally had to hit the nuclear buton
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: to to really put this hopefully at an end.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: You've grown up, you know, with it, witnessing and watching
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: and reading the tabloids and the broadsheet papers about the
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: royal royal family. Where did he rank in terms of popularity?
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Because from a distance and from someone who's covered Royal
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: tours out here in this country. He seemed to be
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: before this this stuff came out pretty popular.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I mean he.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Was he was a is a war hero too strong
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: a term to use about.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Him, Well, he was.
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: And Andrew Lamb's book The Right Isn't Fall of the
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: House of York sort of put this start of this
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: whole process. He came back to the Falklands a war hero.
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: He was known as Randy Andy for a while, but
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: then he got this trade commission role.
• 36:12
  Speaker 13: It's like so many roles, Prince Harry's another one.
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: They leave the military and that sort a whole sort
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: of discipline and structure for them sort of gets a
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: bit lost.
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: He had got known as m Rs Andy and simply
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: you know he's.
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: Four was gradual, but it was after that interview on
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: the BBC that you know, his his relationships, his judgments
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: were just so appalling.
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: And this is where it really.
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: Took a nosedive, you know, back in two thousand and eighteen,
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: I think it was when he did the or twenty
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: nineteen when.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: He did the interview.
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: So his popularity has been waiting for a long time,
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: but it's just got sunk into free fall the last
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: few years.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: What would the public reaction in the UK be, I
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: know you're visiting Dubai at the moment. What would be
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: the pop what would be the action in the monks,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: the general probably older population about the fact that this
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: has happened.
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: Well, he is, his popularity is an all time low,
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: you know, I think even lower than Harry. So there's
• 37:12
  Speaker 12: no love lost for Andrew at all in fact, or
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: his wife.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: But having said this, look, it's strange when you look
• 37:22
  Speaker 12: at the whole Epstein affair, which is obviously the litmus
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: test for this all, only one person has been prosecuted,
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: Gil Gilain Maxwell. Andrew's taken the fall as well, but
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: there was a lot of names on the list, and
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: it's quite astonishing that no one else has come to
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: croppers because of what happened on that disgusting island many
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: years ago.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Should Harry be worried if he now knows that his
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: family can start stripping titles off people when they don't
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: think they should still have them.
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: You know, we're looking at the commentaries on the newspaper today,
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: so many of them say, you know, Harry, watch out,
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: you'll be next.
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: Yes he should, but of course there's a little bit difference.
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: And look, King Charles, and he's not the most popular people,
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: but I've met him, by the way, and he's a
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: sympathetic he's a kind man. He doesn't do this like
• 38:15
  Speaker 12: him when it's his own son. Of course, you know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: it will be very hard to go further than what
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: he has already.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump never fails to surprise us. He jumps on
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Air Force one Adrian after meeting with the g gets
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: asked a question about nuclear weapons and says, well, we've
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: got the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: We don't test.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we should be out there testing nuclear weapons.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Well the world went mad after that comment.
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: Look, anyone trying to commentate on the Trump presidency, you
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: need to be the world's greatest diplomat, the world's greatest psychologists,
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: and the world's greatest conflict negotire a lot more to
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: sort of try and understand it. We all know he
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: has an unorthodox way of diplomacy. It's very unpredictable. He
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: blows hot and cold, but he's after the deal. He's
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: passionate about the personal relationships. And I, as I said,
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: a couple of weeks ago. He does want to end
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: wars and conflicts. This latest deal, the deal he did
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: was using thing was basically about cooling the temperature and
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: doing some agreements. It was about fentanyls, soybeans and rare
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: earth minerals. But there's a bigger steak in the wind
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: for Trump. I know, as you said the very next
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: day or the very day before he announced his retesting
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: nuclear weapons, you never know what you're going to get
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: with him, but you know, in some cases give credit
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: where it due.
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: He has he has achieved some big things.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Adrian as good to catch up with you, my friend. Thanks,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I'll talk to you again soon. That's adding from Dubar tonight.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Now after the break, Sydney Council bands is going to
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: fan guests for all new homes. That's the same thing
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: that's going to happen in Victoria. By the way, it's
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: been slammed by critics as being out of touch, is
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: it ever? Plus what made for Vice President Kamala Harris
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: visibly uncomfortable in this interview.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: With the ABC our Friday Night panel.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: They're up next, Welcome Back roundin coming up at the
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: top of the hour. Let's bring in our Friday night panel,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: always good fun. Senior fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Mir Schlit and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Joe, I just want to start with a very serious
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: story former Coamar MP Gareth Wood. You and I followed
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: his political career for a long time. Sentenced today to
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: five years nine months in jail over historical sexual abuse crimes. However,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: he intends to appeal the conviction. That's one part of this.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: But he was still being paid his weekly parliamentary salary
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Joe after being found guilty, until he resigned ahead of
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: a vote where Parliament was going to expel him. Surely
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: that loophole after this needs to be closed off, doesn't it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly.
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: I mean the truth is it's incredibly difficult to get
• 41:02
  Speaker 14: rid of an MP outside of an election.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: So the rules for a sitting MP in the.
• 41:08
  Speaker 14: New South Wales Parliament is you have to be either
• 41:10
  Speaker 14: bankrupt or found guilty not just of a crime, but
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: a crime that carries more than one year's jail. And
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: obviously he's been sentenced to a lot more than that.
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: And it was a really strong and powerful sentencing determination
• 41:25
  Speaker 14: that the judge gave. But the other thing that strikes
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: me about this and politicians generally, is just the incredible
• 41:33
  Speaker 14: capacity for self belief bordering on self delusion, where you're
• 41:38
  Speaker 14: able to and I've seen this in other politicians who
• 41:41
  Speaker 14: have obviously not been convicted of any criminal offenses, but
• 41:45
  Speaker 14: where you just sort of almost create a new reality
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: for yourself. And even after these allegations were aired, Gareth
• 41:52
  Speaker 14: Ward not only refused to leave the parliament, he ran
• 41:55
  Speaker 14: again as an independent candidate for Kayama and he won.
• 42:00
  Speaker 14: And so I think that he has probably convinced himself
• 42:04
  Speaker 14: that he's not guilty and that that is why he
• 42:07
  Speaker 14: will appeal, even though there has been an enormous amount
• 42:11
  Speaker 14: of evidence against him.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's hope that loophole gets closed off me.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I want to go to these ridiculous grants that have
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: been awarded by the Australian Research Council for university projects,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: and now they're revealed this week. This story gets run
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: every year, as we know, but I think this year
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: they've actually outdone themselves. So Mia, I'm going to get
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: your reaction here. Seven hundred and twelve thousand dollars of
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: taxpayers money to Monash University for a project to reimagine
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: public toilets Maya.
• 42:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, this is just extraordinary. I mean there is a
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: long list of very humorous projects, and it's pretty clear
• 42:56
  Speaker 11: that Australian taxpayers are just being taken for a ride.
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: And you made the point before that this happens year
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: after year, and what that just shows is that the
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: people making these decisions there's no accountability. They don't care,
• 43:07
  Speaker 11: they don't care what they're spending their money on because
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: it's not their money, it's your money. And the list
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: goes on and on. But what I am quite concerned
• 43:14
  Speaker 11: about is, yes, there is a list of very humorous
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: projects that get accepted each year, but there is also
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: a very long list of very anti Australian projects. And
• 43:23
  Speaker 11: they're the ones I'm concerned about. They're the ones that
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: say that Australia is some kind of problem that needs
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: to be solved, that Australia has a racist passed, Australia
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: has a history not to be proud of. And that's
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: what's most concern to me is that these projects keep
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: getting funded.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe six hundred and eighty nine thousand, I can't
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: believe these numbers. By the way, to study the limits
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: of university culture through gender, five hundred and seventy nine
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: thousand to examine you'll love this run how playing the
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: drums can prevent falls for the elderly? Are okay? As
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: an older Australian? Does that mean I should take.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Up I definitely think you should.
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: I'll take up the lead guitar and we can start
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: a new band to get a pricing. But yeah, I
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: think universities are often the grants commissions are often their
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: own worst enemies in this regard. They're under a huge
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: amount of scrutiny at the moment. They're under a huge
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: amount of pressure in terms of the international students they
• 44:19
  Speaker 14: take in. And by the way, these international students are
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: not doing you know, research projects on whether you know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 14: playing the drums can improve your ability not to fall,
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: or you know, cross cultural understandings of gender through you
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: know a post Bathian gays or whatever it is. These
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: are doing real, real degrees, like you know, engineering business
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: stuff that's actually going to be of use to the
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: new future economy. So I think doing this sort of
• 44:49
  Speaker 14: stuff just makes people think that universities are just sort
• 44:53
  Speaker 14: of these sort of African drumming circles where they just
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: you know, speak their own language, pursue their their own
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: kind of quixotic, left wing kind of ideological crusades and
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: don't actually contribute to society.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And that's a terrible disservice to themselves.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I should do some research and find out who's
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: actually on that council.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Mia.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is about leftist governments, particularly
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Victoria and now the clover More City Council in Sydney.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: They hate gas for some reason.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: We're all going to rely on gas because we're shutting
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: down all our coal fired power stations. But the Sydney
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: City Council is going to ban the attachment of gas
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: to appliances in all new homes and businesses. This a
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: call is really going to cause major problems for the
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: hospitality industry. I mean, how do you heat up a
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: wop to do a Chinese stir fry without gas? I
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: don't know why do they hate gas?
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: Mia, Well, because Steve, at the end of the day,
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: this is all about controlling how you have, how you
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: live your life. I mean, the ban on gas falls
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: under this umbrella of net zero and that's what it's
• 46:00
  Speaker 11: all about it's about centralized control. It's about how you
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: heat your homes, how you heat your businesses, what kind
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: of car you drive, what kind of food you eat,
• 46:09
  Speaker 11: And that's what it's all about. It's about controlling how
• 46:11
  Speaker 11: you live your life. And I do have to apologize
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: once again as a Victorian. This is a ludicrous policy
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: that was born here in this state and it's now
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: gone and infested the rest of the country. It was
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: only a matter of time, but this is the last
• 46:25
  Speaker 11: in New South Wales needs is to import a policy
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: like this which only at the end of the day,
• 46:30
  Speaker 11: it just hurts mainstream Australians who are already struggling under
• 46:33
  Speaker 11: a rising cost of living, struggling under high power prices
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: and high grocery bills.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd have to drag me out of my house
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: kicking and screaming to get my guess off me, or
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: got to say, hey, Joe. People would come and do
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: book tours and promote what they've written in a book.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Former presidential candidate Kamala Harris has been out trying to
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: sell her book and she did this interview with Sarah
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Ferguson on seventh thirty and I don't think Kamala Harris
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: is used to being questioned so vigorously have a look.
• 47:01
  Speaker 13: At this in terms of that question.
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: So you weren't exactly would you like to ask be
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: more specific if you don't mind.
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: own frailties in that position that put you in the
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: position that made it almost impossible to win that race?
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: He was not frail as president.
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: Of the United States.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: She's not happy, Joe.
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: Karla Harris is the worst presidential candidate I think I
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: have ever seen since even before.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I was on this planet.
• 47:33
  Speaker 14: I think you'd have to go back to Barry Goldwater
• 47:36
  Speaker 14: in nineteen sixty four campaigning against Lyndon Johnson with the
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: slogan in your heart, you know he's right, to which
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: Lyndon Johnson replied, in your guts, you know he's nuts.
• 47:46
  Speaker 14: And Karla Harris just cannot string a sentence together. She
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: cannot get an idea across. I don't think she herself
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: actually knows what she thinks on any given issue. The
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: word salads she produces were terrible. She did virtually no
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: press conferences, perhaps none at all, during the campaign, The
• 48:05
  Speaker 14: only interviews she did were with incredibly soft, sympathetic fellow travelers,
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: and it's clear that she's just not used to having
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: anyone actually interrogating what it is she actually thinks or means,
• 48:20
  Speaker 14: or is even saying at any given point in time.
• 48:22
  Speaker 14: So I think it was a real wake up call
• 48:25
  Speaker 14: to be confronted by Sarah Ferguson.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we all dodged a bullet. I think when Kamala
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Harris was beaten by Donald Trump, thank goodness we didn't
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: have to put up with her for four or five years.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: It would have been an absolute disaster. Mia Joe, thank
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: you very much. Have a great weekend, both of you
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: coming up after me. The world, according to rwand