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11-3 H1: What's On Tap, Brian Fleury & Mike On The Mic · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: good morning to you all. You hear the open there.
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  Speaker 2: After a frustrating Seahawks loss. This is Chuck in the
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  Speaker 2: morning on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Chuck is out
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  Speaker 2: on vacation for another couple days here. He will be
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  Speaker 2: back a little bit later on this week. But we
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  Speaker 2: do have a special, special show today. Normally you get,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, Monday morning quarterback on a, wait for it,
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  Speaker 2: Monday show. after a Seahawks game on the Sunday. But
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  Speaker 2: since we had Monday Night Football last night, we get
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen on a Tuesday here. I've always said Tuesday's
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  Speaker 2: the worst day of the week, so this made it
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  Speaker 2: that much better. But not only do we get Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Millen on a Tuesday here, we get four hours of
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen on a Tuesday here for a special four-hour
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  Speaker 2: Monday morning quarterback on a Tuesday. And I think we're
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  Speaker 2: going to need it, Hughie, after last night because, man,
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks got their butts whipped. They got them handed
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  Speaker 2: to them last night. I just want to start off
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  Speaker 2: the show, Hugh. I appreciate you hopping on with us
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  Speaker 2: after doing the 12-man postgame last night and coming for
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  Speaker 2: the next broadcast here in the morning. What's your initial
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  Speaker 2: reaction to last night after you've had a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of time to digest what happened on Monday Night Football?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that the Bears had a few extra
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  Speaker 3: days to prepare. They watched the Chief game. They saw
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  Speaker 3: how dominant Seattle was. I think that they... had a
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  Speaker 3: great resolve coming over here. I think they got a
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  Speaker 3: big boost emotionally from the acquisition of Jeffrey Simmons. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: now you could say Seattle should have had that for
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  Speaker 3: Quentin Nelson, but I think, um, you know, they gave
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  Speaker 3: up two number ones. Those are, those are not comparable. Um,
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  Speaker 3: they're comparable in terms of the quality of the player,
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  Speaker 3: but different position and the compensation. So, so I think
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  Speaker 3: they came out and, uh, When I throw on the tape, defensively,
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  Speaker 3: the Bears, that's the first time in two years I go,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm watching the Seahawks defense. When the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks defense played, they played a lot of different coverages.
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  Speaker 3: They played fast to the ball. They played extremely good. Now,
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  Speaker 3: they play a lot of man-to-man, but when they played zone,
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  Speaker 3: They had a great awareness of matching coverages, which is
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  Speaker 3: the impression you get when you watch Seattle. I thought
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  Speaker 3: they played fast. And so, you know, you tip the
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  Speaker 3: hat to the Bears. I mean, they were the better team.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if they are the better team, but
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  Speaker 3: they were the better team. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: That's an important distinction because, you know, we've talked about
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  Speaker 2: it multiple times this year with the Seahawks being 4-4 now.
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  Speaker 2: we still believe that this football team is one of
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  Speaker 2: the best football teams in the NFL at this point,
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  Speaker 2: but they're consistently, um, finding ways to come out on
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  Speaker 2: the losing end when they shouldn't be. And, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't think this was that game for, for sure. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: but the bears deserve to win that game, I think
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  Speaker 2: is what you're saying, right? It's not like, yeah, they were,
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  Speaker 2: they were definitely the better team last night.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And, um, now Seattle, you know, somehow clawed back and,
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  Speaker 3: And made it competitive there in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about the events that transpired there. But if
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  Speaker 3: you were judging that like a boxing match. Yes. And
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  Speaker 3: you were just kind of going by eyes and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: quarter by quarter or series by series. And you had
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  Speaker 3: to say, okay, it was a 10-point must system. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you give 10 points to the team that you thought
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  Speaker 3: looked the best on that drive. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: does the other team get 10?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Nine or eight is usually how it goes, right? Right. Um,
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  Speaker 3: and if you were kind of judging more subjectively along
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  Speaker 3: those lines, you know, you'd give the bears, uh, most
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  Speaker 3: of the rounds. Right. And so they were the better
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  Speaker 3: team last night. When I say, I don't know that
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  Speaker 3: they are the better team. You may get a chance
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  Speaker 3: to play them in the playoffs and prove that, and
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  Speaker 3: it might be in their stadium and, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: so how you can improve. So, so we'll see you
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  Speaker 3: are what you are. You're four and four, uh, probably
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  Speaker 3: deserve to be four and four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so now, this is the second time I've had
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  Speaker 3: the imprint that Seattle's opponent had just more desire. The
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  Speaker 3: first one was against the Commanders, and I thought that
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks were kind of a relative no-show emotionally, which
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  Speaker 3: hardly ever happens. But then last night, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that the the Seahawks effort was poor. I just thought
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  Speaker 3: that the bears was a little better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You can tell they were like ready to play
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  Speaker 2: and they felt like their GM was, you know, giving
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  Speaker 2: them the vote of confidence after the Jeffrey Simmons trade
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  Speaker 2: is like, Hey, we believe you're a super bowl team.
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  Speaker 2: Now go improve it on the field on Monday night
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  Speaker 2: football against the defending champion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now here, here's another point. If you go back
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  Speaker 3: to 2024, Mike McDonald's first year in week eight, they
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  Speaker 3: lost to the bills 31 to 10. And I remember
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  Speaker 3: doing the Monday morning, uh, show after that. And it was,
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  Speaker 3: it was depressing because we were basically, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was week eight, you're halfway through the season. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: nothing was taking hold. I don't, I can't remember how
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  Speaker 3: many yards James Cook had, but I think it was, um,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the last time they gave up a hundred.
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  Speaker 2: That is, that is the last time they had a
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  Speaker 2: hundred yard rusher.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: But, but Josh Allen threw it all over and, and
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  Speaker 3: you just go, wow, this is just not taking hold. And, and, um,
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  Speaker 3: And yet that's what had happened in Baltimore. His two
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  Speaker 3: years as defensive coordinator in year one, halfway through the year,
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  Speaker 3: nothing was taking hold. They were in the 20s in
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  Speaker 3: all the major categories. And then from that point on,
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  Speaker 3: they were first for that. And then his second year,
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  Speaker 3: they were first for the entire season. So that's why
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  Speaker 3: he got the job with Seattle. So in that sense,
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  Speaker 3: after that Bills game, you kind of mirrored that performance.
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  Speaker 3: And the only... Uh, the only, um, significant loss they
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  Speaker 3: had was week 15. They lost to the Packers 30
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  Speaker 3: to 18. Why am I talking about that? That was
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  Speaker 3: a 12 point loss then since then. Now they lost
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  Speaker 3: another game in 2024 by three points. Last year they
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  Speaker 3: lost by four points, three points and two points. This
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  Speaker 3: year they lost by two points, three points and three points.
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  Speaker 3: So the summary is since week 15 of 2014, um, Seattle,
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  Speaker 3: up until last night, had seven losses. And they were
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  Speaker 3: all by four points or less. And six of the
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  Speaker 3: seven were by three points or less. And so Seattle's
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  Speaker 3: been a hell of a consistent team in terms of
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  Speaker 3: their energy that they bring, their talent, what they do,
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  Speaker 3: their execution. All of that has allowed them to do that.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what? Finally... It was going to come
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  Speaker 3: to an end, and you were going to get your
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  Speaker 3: ass handed to you. And so now for the first
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  Speaker 3: time since the Packer game in 2024, you got your
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  Speaker 3: ass handed to you. And then Seattle, they just have
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  Speaker 3: to decide how bad do they want it in 2026.
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  Speaker 3: Most of those guys have Super Bowl rings. And just
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  Speaker 3: how bad do they want to push through? I think
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  Speaker 3: they do. I think that John Schneider uniquely identifies and
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  Speaker 3: acquires players the type of players that compete to the
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  Speaker 3: bitter end, burning competitors. So I think they'll be in
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  Speaker 3: on it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But they're going to have to look in the mirror.
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  Speaker 3: The Bears held up a mirror. Yeah, they did. And
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  Speaker 3: if the Seahawks don't like what they saw, then it's
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  Speaker 3: their job to fix it. So that would be my thought.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like a pretty dominant win by the Bears,
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  Speaker 3: and we haven't seen that in a long time. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know... They finally got taken to the woodshed.
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  Speaker 2: As you just pointed out, it just doesn't happen under
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Ever.
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  Speaker 2: Besides that Bills game. And that was... over two years
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  Speaker 2: ago at this point. So it's one of those things
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  Speaker 2: where then you start to look at, okay, why is
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  Speaker 2: this happening? So from a general sense, before we start
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  Speaker 2: diving deep into drives and plays, what would be your
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  Speaker 2: general takeaway as to why the Seahawks felt so much
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  Speaker 2: second best yesterday?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Mike McDonald said that Seattle lost all three phases,
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  Speaker 3: and I've heard that for a long time, three phases.
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  Speaker 3: I just have never bought into the idea that special
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  Speaker 3: teams are a third of the game in terms of
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  Speaker 3: their impact. I feel like it's more like how you
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  Speaker 3: run it, how you throw it offensively, how you defend
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  Speaker 3: the run, how you defend the pass defensively, and then
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  Speaker 3: special teams... I put it in five teams. I think
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  Speaker 3: those are all about one fifth of the game. Got it.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that you could make an argument that
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  Speaker 3: Seattle lost all five. Now, I do think their run
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  Speaker 3: defense was I think they won one phase run defense.
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  Speaker 3: And then you look at the stats, and history will
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  Speaker 3: record that the Seahawks gave up 126 yards rushing. On
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  Speaker 3: a 3.6 average, you can live with that. But that
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  Speaker 3: goofy smoke screen that went for 39 yards in the
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  Speaker 3: fourth quarter, that ended up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm landing on the rushing statistics. Yeah, because they threw
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  Speaker 2: it backwards, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because it was literally inches backwards. Yeah, yeah. But that
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  Speaker 3: was a passing game play. Right. And so if you
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  Speaker 3: take that off the books, then now you're down to
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  Speaker 3: 2.56 yards per carry and well under 100 yards. So
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  Speaker 3: on 34 carries, that's a lot of carries. So I
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  Speaker 3: think Seattle... Seattle, we'll give them one phase. But now,
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  Speaker 3: flip it around, Caleb Williams had 247 yards. You give
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  Speaker 3: him that smoke. Now we're at 286, and his passer
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  Speaker 3: rating is 101. If you give him that, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to probably be closer to 110. I don't think they
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  Speaker 3: defended the pass well. We'll talk about some of the
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  Speaker 3: big plays they gave up. I don't think they pressured
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback well. I think they missed Uchenna Nwosu because
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  Speaker 3: Mike Morris had too many reps. And then when Leonard
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  Speaker 3: Williams went down and Uchenna Nwosu was down in the
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  Speaker 3: fourth quarter, I think the depth just wasn't there for them.
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  Speaker 3: And then offensively, you know, it's just lather, rinse, repeat,
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  Speaker 3: it seems like. Now, you say, well, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: They played pretty well on offense against Kansas City. All right.
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  Speaker 3: So that just is what it feels like. But it
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  Speaker 3: seems like it's been pretty darn inconsistent on offense. It
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  Speaker 3: was last night. I don't think they ran the ball
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  Speaker 3: terribly great. They certainly didn't throw the ball well. So, yeah, just–
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  Speaker 3: and then the kicking game, you know, you get a
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  Speaker 3: field goal blocked. Yeah. Because the kicker looks like he's
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  Speaker 3: a little late there. Don't block it well, but I
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  Speaker 3: think the kicker has some responsibility in that. A year ago,
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  Speaker 3: on kickoffs, opponents started on the 24.99 yard line, Anders.
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  Speaker 3: That's the average for all the games. And in this
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  Speaker 3: day and age, when it's closer to the 30, that
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  Speaker 3: was good special teams coverage. But when you really needed
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  Speaker 3: it to get the stop, the most important drive defensively
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  Speaker 3: You commit a stupid penalty. And I'm sorry, Mike Morris,
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  Speaker 3: you're not good enough to commit a personal foul.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a cost of doing business penalty, as Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDonald would say.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you give them the ball at
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  Speaker 3: the 44-yard line, and now all of a sudden they
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  Speaker 3: feel good about the beginning of their drive. Eamon Worry
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  Speaker 3: had a personal foul. call on the, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: at least he's Nick Eamon worry, not to excuse it, but, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so, you know, Michael Dixon, uh, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when he did punt it, well, we didn't always cover
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  Speaker 3: it well. And then there was times where he, where, uh, it,
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  Speaker 3: it seemed like there was a lot of pressure on
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  Speaker 3: him and he hurried upon and it only ended up
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  Speaker 3: being a 40 yard and a, and a fair catch, uh,
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  Speaker 3: when there was an opportunity, you know, and, and, and
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  Speaker 3: yet Their punter had all day. You know, it just
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  Speaker 3: seems like it wasn't Seahawk football.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It seemed like the Bears were playing Seahawk football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's and I remember a game. I
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  Speaker 2: was at last year where the Seahawks beat the 49ers
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  Speaker 2: and you were talking about how. The Seahawks just out
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  Speaker 2: 49ers the 49ers, right? And I think that was one
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  Speaker 2: of the big turning points of the season where we
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  Speaker 2: were like, damn, that's where we feel like this is
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  Speaker 2: now a Super Bowl contender. It feels like that happened
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  Speaker 2: in reverse last night with the Chicago Bears. They out
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks the Seahawks. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that would have been Week 18, right? Yeah. Because
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  Speaker 3: they didn't do it in Week 1. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point. That's a good point.
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  Speaker 3: And so, well, the thought then going into it, I
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  Speaker 3: got to update this, but there was a period– I
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  Speaker 3: think it began in Shanahan's second year. For about a
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  Speaker 3: six-year period, the 49ers had the most wins of anybody
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  Speaker 3: in the NFC. And they're the most physical in terms of... Now,
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  Speaker 3: some of that is a subjective claim, but they play
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  Speaker 3: a lot of 21 personnel with UCF. And Kittle blocks great,
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  Speaker 3: and they have physical receivers. And so they bring a
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  Speaker 3: physicality to the offense that... I think was what the
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  Speaker 3: reference was. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: The style of play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The style of play, you know, obviously they're, they, they,
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  Speaker 3: they were skilled, you know, you go six, seven years
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  Speaker 3: and you have the most wins in the NFC that
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  Speaker 3: that's saying something. Absolutely. And, and, and the style of
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  Speaker 3: which they did it. So now you have Brian Flory
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  Speaker 3: and you're thinking you're going to duplicate that, but it's been,
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  Speaker 3: Pretty spotty. Pretty spotty offensively.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just in general, like I said, we'll dive deep
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  Speaker 2: into some of the plays a little bit later on
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  Speaker 2: in the show. We got all four hours here with
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen here on a Monday morning. Chuck in the
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  Speaker 2: Morning Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. Myself, Anderson Hurst, Christopher Kidd,
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  Speaker 2: and we got Hugh Millen with us to break down
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  Speaker 2: a Seahawks loss on Monday Night Football 34-17. In general,
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  Speaker 2: where are you at with Sam Darnold right now? I
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  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of um, understandable frustration amongst fans, uh,
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  Speaker 2: directed at the offense in general with the offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 2: and with Sam Darnold with his just lack of, uh,
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  Speaker 2: success early in the, in the 2026 season.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I, I don't think he's playing at the level
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  Speaker 3: he was last year, but I think that the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: around him aren't as good. Um, and you know, I,
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  Speaker 3: I got up at four in the morning this morning,
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  Speaker 3: and I watched that offensive tape first. And I've got
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  Speaker 3: two pages of notes here that are just Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 3: And it's mostly minuses on the page, but in the
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  Speaker 3: left column, I've got these minuses. But when it's a
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  Speaker 3: Brian Flory issue, I have put BF over the top
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  Speaker 3: of the minus.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And more of the minuses have BFs on them than
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  Speaker 3: any other. I've got one on a cup where I
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  Speaker 3: thought cup did a poor job of getting open. So
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  Speaker 3: there's a minus, and then I put a cup on there.
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  Speaker 3: But the BFs outnumber everything else. And so I think
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to be the SEAC quarterback right now. You
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  Speaker 3: don't really have much of a running game, and I
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  Speaker 3: thought he's been harassed most of the year. You finally
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  Speaker 3: had a good pass blocking day last week against the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 3: and then you're kind of right back to where you were,
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  Speaker 3: like against Denver. And then just a lot of the concepts,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll get into some of them. It's hard to
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  Speaker 3: convey on the radio, but If I just were to generalize,
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  Speaker 3: I find myself too often thinking, okay, that's an odd structure.
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  Speaker 3: Receivers are in the same area or stacked or the
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  Speaker 3: timing of it or you're man-to-man and Cup just can't win.
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  Speaker 3: Torrey Horton has a limited route tree for himself. And
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  Speaker 3: you're like, where's the bunch formations to get guys off of– uh, the, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the man coverage, um, where, where are the, the, the,
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  Speaker 3: the shallow crosses and the mess routes to try and
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  Speaker 3: pick and, and to, to just allow guys to get
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  Speaker 3: out there and win. And by the way, uh, it's
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  Speaker 3: interesting on Monday night football. Uh, one of my good
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  Speaker 3: friends in life is Jim Mora. We were roommates in college. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: he got, he got married about three, four years ago.
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  Speaker 3: I was in his wedding. Um, and, uh, And when
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  Speaker 3: he was the defense coordinator for, I believe it was
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  Speaker 3: the 49ers, they're playing on Monday Night Football one night.
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  Speaker 3: And he said they got a couple of defensive holding calls.
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  Speaker 3: And he just goes, hey, just keep playing how you're
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  Speaker 3: going to play. They're not going to spend the, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to bog the whole showdown the entire night.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And.
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  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much damn holding there was
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  Speaker 3: by the secondary of the Bears. Like, Kyler Gordon is
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: a flat-out cheat.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: And I know he's local. He went to Archbishop Murphy.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: He went to the University of Washington. I don't want
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: to say that, but I'll just say this. Number six
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: for the Bears, you look up his name.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Number six for the Bears, just his malls, guys. Now,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: he got three penalties, but he could have had 13.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: It's like the idea of can't touch a guy past
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: five yards. Nobody ever told him that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: And it's like he's playing in the 1961 before they
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: changed the rules.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: So, at any rate, that sounds whiny. If you're a
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Bear fan right now, you're just laughing if you drive around.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Here like that. But we'll definitely get to some of
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: that with Gene Seratore a little bit later today.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: What a good time to have him on. I hope
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you heard the part where I said the Bears kicked
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: their ass. They did. One in either four or five phases,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: however you want to break it down, of their five.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough loss to take, really, if you're
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: a Seahawks fan, because you really have to adjust expectations
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: at this point. Four and four through eight games, it
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: seems like. We'll discuss this later. It seems like the
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: division might be out of the picture, but we'll see.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: We'll see what ends up happening down the road. But
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a Monday Night Football loss for the Seahawks. Let's figure
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: out what's on tap for the rest of the show.
• 20:21
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• 20:36
  Speaker 2: It's a special four-hour Monday morning quarterback on a Tuesday
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: after a Monday Night Football loss for the Seahawks 34-17
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: against the Bears. We are going to take your talkbacks today.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: If you have questions for Hugh about last night or
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: just want to vent as a Seahawks fan, this is
• 20:52
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• 20:54
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• 20:56
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• 20:59
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• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to your questions, to your thoughts, your concerns, anything on
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. So we're excited to hear from you guys,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the fans, about where you feel the Seahawks are at
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: right now. We got Greg Bell coming up at 7.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: We're going to get his thoughts on what the locker
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: room vibe was after the game. I'm interested to hear
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: what he has to say. Gene Steratore, as I just mentioned,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: at 8 o'clock, there's a lot of refereeing questions, not
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: just from the Seahawks game, but from other games across
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the weekend. And we're going to take a little break
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: from Seahawks at 9 o'clock with Rick Neuheisel to talk
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: some college football at 9 o'clock. But coming up next,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: as you and I have talked about during the first
• 21:41
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• 21:43
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• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Now back to the Monday Morning Quarterback with Chuck in
• 21:50
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• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Chuck in the Morning Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Chuck's out for a few more days. So Christopher and myself,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Anderson Hurst, will be filling in the holes until he
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: gets back a little bit later on this week. We
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: got a special four-hour Monday morning quarterback after a tough
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Seahawks loss on Monday Night Football on Tuesday. And Huey,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: our offensive coordinator, Brian Fleury, is under a lot of
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: heat after last night. Do you think it's deserved from
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: what you've been seeing throughout the season and what you
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: saw last night?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Well, we discussed in the first segment there notes I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: have where I would have questions about Brian Flory. You
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: start the game, very first play of the game. You're
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: in solid protection, which should be an eight. Potentially, you've
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: got the line has the Mike backer, and then you
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: have the running back has the will, and then in
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: this case, the tight end has the Sam. It's a
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: seven-man protection. And, uh, AJ Brent, AJ Barnard doesn't block
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: anybody blocks down and he lets, and, and now Kyler
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Gordon comes and has an unblocked hit on Darnold. And, uh,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: you had a wide open little glance route in breaking
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: route by, uh, by JSN. So you, you, that, the,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: the poor protection. And it wasn't that you got beat.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: It's just, there's there. You don't. You have a missed assignment,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: in my opinion. And so that's bad football. Then you
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: come back on the third down. You remember when Torrey
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Horton got popped by the free safety on that third down,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: third and five?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: You look at that and the way by the formation,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: the split and what have you, when Darnold's ready to
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: throw it, A.J. Barner's standing on the left hash. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: so is Torrey Horton. So they're stacked right underneath each other.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: So Darnold's just a little bit late. And so that
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: has got to get coordinated. There's a, you remember when
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Darnold scrambled and got killed in the first, you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: like for, for 25 years, that's been a, a personal foul, right?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Darnold's Darnold slides. You hit the quarterback like that. It's
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: just an automatic yellow flag, right?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It's unfathomable how they didn't throw that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Literally, now, I get it. 50 years ago, they wouldn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: have called it. But this entire century, that's been a
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: penalty every single time on a sliding quarterback. But anyway,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I digress. On that one, that's a rap concept where
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: you want to have 88 stops and then you have Cup,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: the Barner, of course. Barner on a 5-6 yard hitch route,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: and then Cup breaks into the open area, but you've
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: got Barner and Cup running the in-break. So the whole
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: wrap concept gets blown up on the screen pass in
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: the red zone. Remember when it would have been Charbonnet
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: had a 6-yard loss?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yep, when they get to the red zone.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Just a 40-front. Jalen Sindel is one of the most
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: athletic centers in the league. And you want... the uncovered
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: guy to be responsible for the guy in man to
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: man coverage. So you, you motion out, you declare, you, you,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: you learn that it's man coverage, Devin Bush, uh, the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: linebacker number 12, uh, you know, he's, you, you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: you got to get him. And, and yet the protection
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: is such that even though it's screen, right, we got
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Sindel first going left and, And then trying to go out,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: you know, the timing is just going to be enough
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: to miss and you get a six yard loss. The oh,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: do you remember when Darnold on a third and five
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: throws it to Barner and it was an it looked
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: like an errant pass? He kind of threw it out
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to the flat to his left. Do you remember that? Yes,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I do. The Seahawks were going right to left on
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the TV screen. I think it was second quarter. It
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: was the second quarter. And so on that concept, you
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: got a go route by, I think it was Torrey
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Horton clearing out. So now you've got Barner on a
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: stick route, which is just a six-yard out route. That's
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: a first-day install. The corner is the way they played
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: the coverage. They roll the coverage over. And so now
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: there's a corner out in the flat. So Barnum's going
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to stop. Okay, that's good. But then he starts to
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: come back and he does this little juke move. But
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: then he stops. But the juke move was like he
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: was going inside. And Darnold thinks he's going inside. Yes.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And but he's not. These are two veterans. These guys
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: have hooked up. Right. Like we're in we, you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: halfway through the season. How can you not be on
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: the same page? So if if you think you're watching
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: that game and you thought that was an errant pass,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: like Darnold just was inaccurate. No, he was not inaccurate.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: That's that's that that's the signs of two guys not
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: on the same page.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: And so that has to get coordinated. They had a
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: really nice option route set up where they were going
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: to go up the seam with Jadarian Price. He was
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: going to stop like he was running a choice route
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: and then release on a wheel. The bones of that,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the skeleton of the play, I like it. Now, It
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: turns out Price got grabbed because they were grabbing.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Shocking.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: No, it is what it is. You can pull up
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: all the podcasts. I've been doing 25. How many times
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: do I come on and bellyache that we got held?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I don't do that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Never, no. I don't mean shocking as you're complaining about it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Shocking as in, oh, they were grabbing.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Huh, weird. It was just that was part of their
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: game plan. Yeah, it was. And they coached it. And, um,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: and the officials allowed it, but, um, but, uh, at
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: any rate, so, but the way you do the formation,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: you got a tight end to tight end, a back
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: and a tight end, a Brady Russell on the left. Uh,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: and so the formation, they're going to throw a safety
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: over the top and you have JSN over to the right,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: right in the area, uh, where, uh, Price is going
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: to run this route. So you'd usually like to have
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: them on the opposite side of the field to be
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: a decoy and to pull the coverage there. But they
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: run this stutter wheel to Price into JSN. And because
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you're blocking with two tight ends on the opposite side,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the safeties from that side, the term is called poach.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: When you're a safety– away from the three-receiver side and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: you don't have anything threatening you, then you can now,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: even though you align opposite the three-receiver side, you poach
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: to the three-receiver side. And so they were able to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: slide the coverage and be in a position to be
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: over the top of it. So so you take a
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: nice idea to, okay, we're going to get one-on-one with price,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: have him stutter and then release up the sideline. I
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: But then the, the problem was what I said, you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: they ran a, a, a little stock wheel down in
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: the red zone where, where they, okay, they go JSN.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: We're going to throw him a bubble per perfect decoy.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: That's okay. So, so far, so good. I liked it. And,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Cooper Cup is going to stalk like he's going to block,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: and then he's going to release up the wheel. And
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: then you've got Torrey Horton doing a post to clear out.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: He takes a little bit too flat of an angle,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: so the corner hands him over to the safety. But
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: you run it into the boundary, and they're doing what's
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: called quarter, quarter, half. They're rolling the coverage so the corner–
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: and the corners in the flat and the safeties over
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: the top, that's not the coverage you wanted that. When
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: they ran that in Friday practice, I would bet that
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that would have been Saturday, but the equivalent of a
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Friday practice. I bet when they scripted that, they didn't
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: run it into cover six. There's no way that they
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: wanted it, but you know what? Dennis Allen took the
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: W on that play. and Brian Flory took the L
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: on that play because they, they, they, you know, they
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: ran into the wrong coverage. So, um, uh, so, and, and, uh, there,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: you have a, a wide open, uh, do you remember
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: when price released into the middle of the defense?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: And, and it was, I think it was a five
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: man rush and.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: 20 yards of space. If he was able to get him.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: So, so like, just get it right. Like, Are we
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: going to stay on the move or are we going
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: to sit? You know, you generally say, okay, we'll sit
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: against zone runaway against man. Right. But they're not on
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the same page. And, you know, Darnold thinks he's going
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: to be over the middle. He's bursting to the sideline. And,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: and now you throw it behind it and you miss
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: a chance for a 25 yard game. Right. Right. And
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: because you're not coordinated. And so, All of these things,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: you know, that's just some of the stuff that, you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: some of those I'm talking about, you know, we're talking
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: about not even knowing how to do what we're doing
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: on checkdowns.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these are basic things, right, for an NFL team.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, where's the shallow crosses against the
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: man coverage and the mesh with the dual cross? Oh,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: the interception. Yeah.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: The interception.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: The interception. Um, it's third and seven, I think.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Um, and yeah.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: And so we've got cup going from the left side,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: doing a, a, a crossing route way over to the
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: opposite side and stopping, um, at about eight, nine yards depth.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: We've got Tori Horton. I'm going, uh, a deeper crossing
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: route going way over, uh, crossing the ball. It's taken
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: a half an hour. It looks like a seven-on-seven play.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I used to coach high school seven-on-seven tournaments. You go
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: to these tournaments and you have all these cool concepts
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: where you say, oh, this is really cool because we
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: get four seconds to throw it. We're going to go
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: double moves. We're going to take one guy and start
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: him on the right and go way over to the
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: other side. And you know what? Those kind of plays
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: can win in seven-on-seven. But they're not going to win
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: against a good pass rush. in tackle football. And so
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I thought that that was way too long developing. And
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: then the check down element, just when he would be
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: looking at Barner coming over the middle as a shallow
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: kind of a follow, now we're getting Price crisscross. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: that concept works, but it can't work that late in
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: the play.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Because when you're ready to throw it, now they're just
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: stacking on top of each other. If they're going to crisscross,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: it's got to happen earlier in the play so that
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: now when you put your back foot in the ground,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you take a hitch, now the receivers are separating from
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: one another. And so now Darnold, he moves in the
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: pocket to distort. You know, he's waiting. The concept's taking
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: too long. He moves to his right, and now Barnard, um,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: breaks open wide open and he's going to throw it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: And you know, the, the football gods just kick you
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: in the groin again. And because, because ball gets batted
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: and it's not bad enough that it got batted. Right.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Cause he was wide open. Um, and it would have
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: been a nice 15 yard game. So just the fact
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: that it got batted was, um, depressing enough or, you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: disappointing enough, but then, you know, the, it ricochets to
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: a lineman three feet away who, you know, what kind
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: of reaction would he, you know, he had like a
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: NHL goalie reaction for the first time in his life,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: a defensive tackle. Like, Oh, what's this ball.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Look what I found.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It sticks on his navel and he, and he
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: happens to catch it, you know?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: So it was, you know, and how about the, while
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: we're talking about the football gods, how about the play
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: of the game where you, seattle on third down when
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: after they had pulled to within what was.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: This it was 24 17 at that point uh sorry
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: 20 to 17 at that.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Point yeah yeah 2017 and and and you get the
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: delay again yeah you stop the third down yeah 22
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: out of 22 players were playing football on that play
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: there was nobody but and and seattle stormed them yeah and.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Uh Then the next play was the screen that we
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: talked about earlier.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And they get down to the two yard line. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: then you get the screen and.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. That was, it was, yeah, you got hit
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: in the gut with a sack of nickels.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: It feels like everything that kind of could have gone wrong,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: went wrong, both in terms of your execution and in
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: terms of the luck element as well.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: First, for sure. You know, you know, yeah. Luck is
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: part of sports.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: And, And, uh, but I don't, I don't want to,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: you know, portray it like, like, like the bears were lucky.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: No, we've, we've said that the bears deserve to win
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the game. They were the better team last night.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But there's new people getting in the car and
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: we got to keep saying, of course. So, so the
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: two things can be true.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Those, if you don't objectively say that, that, that, that
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: is good fortune for the bears, then you're just, you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: you're bringing bias into the analysis. Totally. Yeah. But, but,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Seattle got their ass kicked, and the Bears were the
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: better team. So those two things can be true. It's
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: really not a hard concept to grasp. As human beings,
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  Speaker 3: we can have two thoughts in our head at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, and that's just the facts.
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  Speaker 2: The two are not mutually exclusive, right? No, of course not.
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  Speaker 2: All right, more money, money, quarterback next on Sports Radio
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  Speaker 3: The players can lock on to. There's no question that
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  Speaker 3: that's just a recitation of what he says to his team. Mm-hmm.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: That message we're getting is exactly what he's saying. There
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  Speaker 3: might have been a few different words, but that's the
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  Speaker 3: core of it, and that's exactly what it should be.
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  Speaker 3: They've got nothing to apologize for. They haven't lost a
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  Speaker 3: game by more than four points since week 15 of 2024.
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  Speaker 3: The seven losses they've had prior to tonight have all
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  Speaker 3: been as we discussed prior, four points or less. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: six of those are three points or less. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this was bound to happen. There's no team in any
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: sport that has a nice string like that of being
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: competitive and keeping your losses close. Eventually, you're going to have,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's lopsided. The game kind of got
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  Speaker 3: away from them in the last half of the fourth
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  Speaker 3: quarter yeah um and so it looks more lopsided but
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  Speaker 3: but we also say you know it seemed like they
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: seattle was a little bit fortunate to get back into
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: it right the blown coverage just outplayed them yeah and
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  Speaker 3: so i i'm sitting here trying to um find words
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  Speaker 3: why would i yeah i shouldn't because mike mcdonald just
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  Speaker 3: said it better than me right right and and or
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  Speaker 3: better than anybody else could say it and he said
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  Speaker 3: it succinctly he said it frankly you know and And
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  Speaker 3: I think there's, you know, his humility shines through in
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  Speaker 3: all moments, good and bad. And, you know, he's putting
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: himself right up at the top. And yet I like
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  Speaker 3: the action plan. You know, you can just feel the
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  Speaker 3: energy of the action plan. Like, hey, we're going to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: identify what needs to be fixed. We're going to get
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: our bodies right. We're going to fix our problems and
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: we're going to attack. You know, that's beautiful. Beautiful messaging.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm in on Mike McDonald. I think that's exactly
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  Speaker 3: what we should have heard from him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even in a loss where it seems like he
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: got out-dueled by the opposing head coach, you still like
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  Speaker 2: what you hear from him. And it's tough to taste
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  Speaker 2: as a Seahawks fan, but that's the stuff you want
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  Speaker 2: to hear at the.
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  Speaker 3: End of the game. Honestly, you could lock me in
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  Speaker 3: a room for a month, an empty room, and I'd
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: just sit there with me and my thoughts, and I
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: couldn't come up with a better message.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Than what he just did. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how did that message portray to the players? How
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: did it sound like in the locker room after a
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: loss on Monday Night Football to the Bears? We'll hear
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: from Greg Bell next on Sports Radio 93.3 KGRFM.