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Episode 316- Rick and Elaine Discuss the Book of Job- Episode 18 · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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  Welcome back to Rick and Elaine discuss the Bible
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  and in particular the book of Job. Good afternoon,
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  Elaine Rae Clark. How are you? I'm fine very
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  much. I'm fine. Thank you very much. Yeah, I
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  think we'll have to find a different way of introducing
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  ourselves. I just have to say, you all right,
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  Rick? Hey, how you doing, mate? Here's what we
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  do over here. We'll say, how y 'all doing? How
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  y 'all doing? How y 'all doing? It's like, how
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  you doing? Yeah, no, no, Joey, Joey from print.
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  How you doing? How you doing? So I'm gonna have
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  to go with, how you doing? Exactly. No, I'm fine
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  here. Yeah, it's a bit hazy today, but the sun's
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  out. It's nice and warm. So yeah, raring to go.
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  Loving Chapter 25 and can't wait to see what's
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  brought out where the Lord will lead us. Ready
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  and cracking to go, they say. Ready or not, here
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  I come. You can't hide. Yes, great. Alright,
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  so let's see here. Let me find these comments.
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  So we got a couple of comments which I sent to
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  you and you read them. Lovely long comments.
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  I mean, I would have been sort of like tired
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  halfway through. Well, it's all the way they
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  can comment, right? It shows you that their eyes
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  must be perfect or something because I send voice
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  notes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, and
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  I'll say this to those who leave comments. If
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  I don't respond to you on Patreon, it's usually
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  because we're going to respond here, but also
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  because my time has been limited as well. And
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  so when I actually do get some time, I sit down,
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  I have dinner with my wife and then it's off
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  to bed because we got another day the next day.
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  you're so blind to the ridiculous because I've
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  got reams of it and you haven't hardly got any.
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  Yeah, very, very little, very little. All right.
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  This comes from Dina Thompson. Dina. Dina. Yes.
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  Another great time of learning and searching
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  with my brother and sister. This one had my head
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  going all over the place and the word. Yeah,
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  I know that feeling. Doesn't it just, it goes,
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  it's like a little fire effect. It's like you
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  pick out scriptures and you can see it. Yeah.
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  When talking about how the wicked just take and
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  take, all I could think about was, but Jeshurun
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  grew fat and kicked. So I went and looked it
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  up and read the whole verse and it finishes with,
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  then he forsook God who made him and scorned
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  the rock of his salvation. Yeah. Yeah. And this
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  is still relevant to what we see in life today.
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  Yes, it is. Oh, but then Jesus, my King, He addresses
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  the oppression with the beatitudes, with His
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  rebuke to the church leaders or the synagogue
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  leaders or the temple leaders of the time, with
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  His instruction to follow Him. And the whole
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  time we're reading Job's response, I hear Jesus.
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  Absolutely. Absolutely. Sorry, I hear Jesus.
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  I hear him say blessed are you when they mock
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  you for my namesake I will never leave you or
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  forsake you. I just hear him and cannot thank
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  him enough. Yes. Amen Thank you both and I have
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  much love for you my brother and sister and Elaine
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  One could never tire of hearing your beautiful
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  voice read on sister. Oh bless your little heart
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  Well, I read that to my husband and he chuckled
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  and said she must be tone deaf he can't shut
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  me up so well you also told your husband what
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  i said that the cheese is slid off your cracker
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  and he agreed but then he threatened to wit me
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  he did i said i'm gonna punch his lights out
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  but uh no he's probably right actually i am a
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  little bit like sam is short of a picnic um but
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  that's okay yeah yeah if nobody knows what that's
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  about me rick that was from our other study on
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  matthew chapter 27 where we were talking about
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  that Yeah, it works for me. Yeah. So here we
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  go. Here it comes from Alan Thompson. Hey, Alan.
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  Hi, Alan. Rick, thanks for the follow up response
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  you posted last week concerning the sound of
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  the Psalms on Job's lips. It was a fantastic
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  piece and much appreciated. Well, thank you.
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  I feel like I didn't do it justice. There was
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  a whole lot more to it. We just did the best
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  we could. We did. But then again, see, I mean,
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  you could spend hours and hours and hours and
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  hours just on one verse. Yeah, and that's why
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  I welcome the comments. I don't mind to change
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  directions if we have some thoughts, because
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  let's do it. I mean, that's what this is for.
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  That's why we're doing this. I mean, we ask the
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  Holy Spirit to lead us, and if we get just one
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  or two verses done, but it takes us off down
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  a maze of beauty, what's the problem? Mm -hmm.
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  That's right, yeah. Rick and Elaine, thanks for
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  talking through it on the episode today, because
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  I found the discussion even more helpful and
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  fascinating. Bless. As you both were talking,
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  yes, thank you, Alan. As you both were talking
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  through it, John 21, 25 came to mind where John
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  says basically that the world couldn't hold all
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  the books that could be written to document all
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  the works of Jesus. No. Isn't that amazing? No.
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  Think of all the books that have already been
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  done and they don't hold a candle, right? I mean,
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  you imagine being there and just seeing him,
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  you know, when he says the crowd were amazed
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  at his teaching. I mean, you just look at him
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  thinking. I've never seen or heard anybody like
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  you and you would a bit like them in the boat
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  when he said, you know, be muzzled, you know,
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  and they said, what kind, you know, they forgot
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  the storm in the wave. It was like, what kind
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  of man is this? Yeah. What manner of man? I like
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  that in KGB. What manner of man is this? Yeah.
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  That's amazing. So true. He says, I applied that
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  thought to this discussion and agreed that they
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  knew a lot more than we have a record of. The
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  beautiful thing about it to me is that all the
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  human authors of the old testament have the same
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  author On their minds and in their pens to write
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  a unified account of god's work of redemption
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  This episode was a gold mine as usual and the
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  idea of this book being how to be a priest Is
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  pure genius and challenging since we are a kingdom
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  of priests. Absolutely Dina and I love you both
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  and thank god for the excellent work. You both
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  are doing and we love you guys both. Absolutely
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  And not to overly clarify, but I said how to
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  become a high priest. And I wanted to make that
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  clear. Yes, it is a priest, but I'm looking at
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  it from the high priest perspective, something
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  that Christ will embody and become in both physical
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  and spiritual. He will embody the high priest.
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  And as we know, he was treated worse than Job.
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  He was treated far worse. And so. And how Jesus
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  responds to that and then what he does and accomplishes
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  in his resurrection and ascension as well as
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  his parousia. High priest of all high priests,
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  forever, the order of Melchizedek. And that's
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  the thing, isn't it? You know, the high priest
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  was only ever replaced when he died. But as Christ
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  lives, always he's always there to intercede,
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  never to replace, never to be replaced. No, no,
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  no, just going to. Yeah, yeah, I must just it
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  got itchy foot. There was a bit of a mosquito
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  on my leg. Oh, okay good I thought you're gonna
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  say you popped your clogs, but that's not what
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  that is. That's death Oh, no, no clog popping
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  going on this day. That's awesome All right.
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  My hat today is brought to you by the Greenville
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  Drive. I had a really dear friend of mine Take
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  me to a baseball game to get away from the world
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  and just enjoy a relaxing afternoon Yep, it just
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  says drive down. So I'm a Red Sox fan and the
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  Greenville Drive are a feeder organization to
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  the Red Sox They have it's two steps below the
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  majors And so we got to go there and I had some
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  ice cream and a little plastic baseball cap Which
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  I normally don't eat ice cream, but I did enjoyed
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  it. I had a hot dog at the park. It was great
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  I tell you what you're an all -american boy I'm
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  an all -American boy and baseball is America's
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  pastime. And I and I and I appreciated my friends
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  taking me and getting me out of work and out
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  of home and just going out and enjoying a nice
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  evening. It was a beautiful day. The Greenville
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  Drive lost, but I don't follow them. So it's
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  not like I cared. I just enjoyed watching some
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  people play baseball. I think the thing is, it's
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  just getting out there and enjoying life, isn't
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  it? Doesn't matter who wins or loses at the end
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  of the day. It's just enjoying yourself. Honestly,
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  my favorite part. We were sitting so. Fenway
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  Park in Boston has a thing called the Green Monster,
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  and it's this really giant. Is this the Field
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  of Dreams sort of thing, is it? No, no, not at
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  all. Field of Dreams is a Kevin Costner movie.
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  Huh? That was a Red Sox, though, wasn't it? No,
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  it was the White Sox. Oh. Actually, it was the
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  Black Sox, if you think about it, because it's
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  Shoeless Joe Jackson. He was in a scandal with
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  the Chicago White Sox, and they called him the
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  Black Sox. That's how it was. I mean, they'd
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  say to make out. Anyway, they'd be digressing.
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  Anyway, the point is I was saying at Fenway Park,
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  they have a thing called the Green Monster, which
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  is just really high wall that's green and you
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  can sit up there and people, you know, it's just
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  the thing. And here at the Greenville Drive,
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  they have a mini monster. And my friend had gotten
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  a table up there. And so we were sitting and
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  I could look over to the right and there was
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  a section that was covered by nets where children
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  could play in the in the grass and. occasionally
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  a ball player who had a ball that had been hit
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  foul or something would throw it over the nets
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  to the kids and the kids would just swarm and
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  you know and there was this one kid that just
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  trampled on his die yeah there was one kid that
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  had a glove and he would catch the ball and then
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  he would throw it to somebody else the other
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  he was such a good kid Yeah, so it was a lot
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  of fun. I enjoyed that. And it was just nice
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  to get away for a minute. And I that's something
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  that I've also started walking a lot more. And
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  I enjoy that, too. So I'm just trying to find
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  ways to ease the stress. I like walking is a
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  great way to relax. It is. I mean, God didn't
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  put wheels on the bottom of your ankles, did
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  he? You know, it's a good it's good to walk.
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  Yeah, he didn't put feet on my butt either. And
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  so I can't just keep planting my butt in the
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  recliner. I need to get up and get moving. Alright,
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  so let's get into this. Okay. So last week we
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  were in job chapter 24 and I had said that 23
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  and 24 23 especially I focused on it because
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  I wanted to say he's not addressing Eliphaz Uniquely
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  or you know person to person he begins to he
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  doesn't even acknowledge what he had said with
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  those You know wicked false accusations that
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  he had made against him. So You know Joe goes
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  on this point of showing that You know how how
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  wickedness actually works and then in chapter
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  24 I said that he still wasn't just addressing
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  elephaz He's more addressing the group. He all
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  of these arguments are about to come to an end
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  We're in the third cycle of arguments and this
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  is where it's going to close And so we already
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  know that he shut down zofar That happened and
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  he did that verse by verse He shuts down elephaz
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  by not directly dealing with him and going over
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  the entirety of wickedness and what they know
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  to be Reality, and so he shuts elephaz down And
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  so now Bill Dad, the Shoei is going to speak.
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  And I told you guys to read that chapter and
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  to notice how short it was. And this is part
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  of that writing from that ancient time, the way
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  that they do this. Now that these are shorter
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  responses, it's showing you, like Elaine said,
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  that they're closing down, they're getting smaller
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  and smaller and Job's getting bigger and bigger.
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  And that's exactly what it looks like. This is
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  what we were talking about yet. There's the split.
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  There's the chasm. There's the rift opening up.
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  They're separating. It's altering. It's changing.
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  They're going in different directions. Yes, exactly.
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  And so the author has honed in this argument.
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  He's going to call it when we get to chapter
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  27. He's going to say, and Job again speaks from
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  his discourse, basically. It's a discourse. It's
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  a discourse. This is what's going on. If you
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  would, Elaine, go ahead and let's read what Bill
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  that has to say. Remember everything that Job's
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  already said, everything that Zophar has said
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  and Eliphaz has said and Job. It sets up this
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  moment for Bill Dad. And here's a chance for
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  Bill Dad to absolutely shine and show you how
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  wise he actually is. Right. I'm reading from
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  the complete Jewish Bible here. Yes. So if there's
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  anything different, then just bring it out, Rick.
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  It says dominion and fear belong to him. He makes
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  peace in his high places. Can his armies be numbered?
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  On whom does his light not shine? How then can
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  humans be righteous with God? How can those born
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  of women be clean? Why before him even the moon
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  lacks brightness and the stars themselves are
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  not pure. How much less a human who is merely
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  a maggot, a mortal who is only a worm. Okay.
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  All right. So Elaine, I would like to hear from
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  you your opinion. OK, I never send you any of
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  my notes. No, I didn't send you any of my notes
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  on this. I just want to hear your opinion. What
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  do you think Bill that is actually doing right
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  here? What do I think Bill that is? What is Bill
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  that doing like what? What would you say that
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  in response to Job? How are how are these short?
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  What is it eight versus? What is build that actually
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  saying here is he doing anything of any value.
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  It seems to me that he's starting to ask a question.
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  He's responding to him slightly differently I
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  would think there's a there's a different sort
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  of attitude coming out here unless unless you
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  can see something different I mean obviously
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  he's talking about you know about the moon. Can
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  anyone born of a woman be clean? And then he
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  goes to talk about a maggot and a worm. Well,
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  I know what a maggot is and I know what the worm
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  is. So I think he's introducing something sort
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  of a bit different. I mean, I don't know what
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  you're thinking here and how you're connecting
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  chapter 26 with it. Yeah, I don't think that
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  I don't think that build that said anything technically
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  wrong. Actually, I think if you listen to what
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  he says, he's using his theological viewpoint
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  and he's talking in generalities about God and
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  all of the statements are true, none of which
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  answer Job. None of none of anything that he
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  says answers Job, Eliphaz or so far in any of
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  this. So you think that that's just statements.
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  Yeah. So, so let's just go through them one by
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  one. Listen, I'll read it in the ESV, build out
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  the shoe. I'd answered and said, dominion and
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  fear are with God. He makes peace in high heaven.
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  Is there any number to his armies upon whom does
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  his light not arise? These are all true statements.
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  This is, this is what God is. His dominion and
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  fear are with him. Yes. He makes peace high in
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  heaven. Yes. uh is there any number to his armies
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  we don't know but no probably not upon whom does
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  his light not arise yeah good point bill dad
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  how then can man be in the right before god boom
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  okay that's a good point how can man be right
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  before god all right but here's where it gets
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  interesting they've been Accusing Joe because
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  of job situation that's why they're able to do
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  this their worldview is because you're in this
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  we know you've done wrong but we also have said
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  this a million times in the study we know that's
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  not true. So when bill that said how can a man
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  be right before god that's that's a fair statement
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  because none of us are right before him none
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  of us are. And this is what i'm saying this is
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  why when i read this i don't see anything accusatory
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  towards. Job. Only in the fact that Jobe is just
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  as wicked as everybody else is, is basically
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  what he's saying. Exactly, but it's not as bitter,
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  it's not as cutting as before. That's right,
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  it's because the argument's broken down. Bill
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  and Dad doesn't know where to go. Right, but
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  in that breaking down of an argument, sometimes
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  reason starts to become more clear. Yeah, sure.
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  That's what he says. How then can man be in the
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  right before God? How can he who is born of woman
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  be pure? He can't be we know this he can be all
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  right, but hold even the moon is not bright and
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  the stars are not pure in his eyes I mean, how
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  do we know that but build that can say that because
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  God made those things and God is the light So
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  therefore he is the brightest and so that's a
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  fair statement There's nothing wrong with what
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  build that is saying there is something missing
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  here and I'm gonna point it out at the end How
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  much less man who was a maggot and the son of
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  man who is a worm. Okay. You see these words
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  in the prophets all the time. I am a worm and
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  no man, you know, things like that. So he's,
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  he's saying that, you know, worm, where do worms
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  reside? Down in the dirt that worms reside down
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  in the dirt. Sometimes they inch worms are up
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  in trees or whatever, but mainly the worms that
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  we're talking about are down inside the dirt.
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  which is where human beings usually are buried.
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  That's what happens, right? Or if you burn, you
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  reduce to ashes and you're blown in the wind,
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  whatever. But he's saying that man is, you know,
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  how much less man who is a maggot. So in other
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  words, if the moon is not even bright and the
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  stars are not pure and got than how much more
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  so is man. So there's this measuring. OK, there's
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  a measurement that he's setting. All right. All
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  well and good, Bill, dad. But tell me. How in
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  the world did that answer Job? How did it answer
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  Job? Remember what Job said at the end? Prove
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  me a liar. That's all he said. Prove me a liar.
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  Bill Dadd starts speaking in generalities from
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  his worldview and he starts stating the things
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  that are actually true. He's actually stating
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  the things that are true about God without compassion.
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  There's no compassion. Notice that he's just
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  speaking in generalities because his argument
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  has been defeated. Eliphaz has been defeated.
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  And so is so far. Job's discourse so far has
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  leveled these men to where they have nothing
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  more to say. There's nothing more to say to him.
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  So now Job is getting ready to turn this into
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  something no one had ever seen before. No one's
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  ever seen what what Job's about to do. Go ahead.
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  Right. Can I just speak here as well about these
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  worms? Now, if you look up these maggot and worms.
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  One is when it talks about, um, in verse six,
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  how much less man is a worm. Now, if you look
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  at the Hebrew, there's two different words, just
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  a bit like when they say the temple, it can be
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  the naos or the higher up, but they use the same
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  word. It's the same here. Now he's asked, or
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  how can he be clean? That is born of a woman.
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  Ah, now How can he be clean who was born of a
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  woman? Well, at that particular time, they didn't
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  know that. They had no idea. But of course, now
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  in our day and age, we know how we can be clean.
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  Yeah, because the one who was born of a woman
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  under the law, Jesus Christ, makes us clean.
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  Right, right. So therefore, this is the question
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  he's asking. And then it goes on to say, how
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  much lest man a worm? Now, this is the word,
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  I did a talk about eight, nine years ago in a
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  church. And I gave a talk about the tola worm.
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  Now there's two types of worms. One is rima and
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  one is tola. A rima is an ordinary worm that
• 20:09
  reproduces quite rapidly like a maggot. But another
• 20:12
  one is a tola worm. And it's interesting that
• 20:15
  he uses the tola for worm in the last part because
• 20:20
  it says, and the son of man, which is a worm.
• 20:25
  Now we go to Psalms 22 and it talks about Jesus.
• 20:30
  being a worm, but it is the same worm that we
• 20:34
  find here indicating and the son of man is a
• 20:39
  worm. Now, if you go to the tola worm, do you
• 20:41
  remember Lydia in Act 16? Now she was a seller
• 20:46
  of purple. Yes. Now that is that they are dried
• 20:50
  worms you crush to get the crimson dye. They're
• 20:55
  called the crimson worm. Now, this tola worm
• 20:59
  here, where it talks about the son of man, which
• 21:01
  we know is Christ, he's already talked about
• 21:03
  how much less man, well, he's just talking in
• 21:05
  general here about men, well, men can't do anything.
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  But the son of man, who is the tola worm, the
• 21:11
  crimson worm can. And it's interesting, if you
• 21:14
  look up about the crimson worm, it's a little
• 21:17
  tiny thing, about seven centimeters long, something
• 21:21
  like that, or millimeter, whatever it is, and
• 21:24
  it's got little legs and it climbs up when it's
• 21:27
  about to give birth, it climbs up the Kermes
• 21:30
  tree. And it's a very, very prickly tree. And
• 21:34
  again, it takes me back to when the ram was caught
• 21:39
  in the thicket. Well, this worm climbs up this
• 21:43
  tree, and it sticks itself to this tree when
• 21:47
  it's going to give birth to its children. And
• 21:51
  it gives birth to its children. And for three
• 21:54
  days, The children feed on the mother. So the
• 21:58
  mother dies. But interestingly, at the end of
• 22:02
  it, she gives a crimson dye. It comes out of
• 22:05
  her body and she coats her children in this crimson
• 22:09
  dye so that when she falls off, the children
• 22:13
  become crimson forever. Three days it's stuck
• 22:17
  there and they become crimson covered with her
• 22:21
  dye. with what she fed on. And then three days
• 22:25
  after that, what happens is that the tola worm,
• 22:28
  it sucks its tail up into its head and it makes
• 22:31
  a little heart shape. But then it turns a waxy,
• 22:36
  pure white. And it's like Isaiah says, though
• 22:40
  our sins are like scarlet. Yeah. And they will
• 22:44
  be sort of like washed away and they will become
• 22:47
  as white as the driven snow. So here, For me,
• 22:52
  he's saying, without even knowing it, is differentiating
• 22:55
  between man who is a maggot, he reproduces, can't
• 22:58
  do anything, and this tola worm, this crimson
• 23:02
  worm. And it's interesting that Lydia, she made
• 23:07
  clothes, crimson clothes, out of this dye. And
• 23:11
  it's royalty. It's so expensive, that only royalty,
• 23:17
  and this is why royalty wears it. And it takes
• 23:19
  you back. So Herod, what did he do? He said he
• 23:22
  must have a cloak if he's a king. Let's put a
• 23:24
  cloak on. And it was a crimson scarlet cloak
• 23:27
  that they put around this worm. Wow. Isn't it?
• 23:33
  You know what? I mean, please, everybody go and
• 23:36
  look it up. See, it just shows you, Rick. I gave
• 23:40
  this talk about eight, nine years ago and there
• 23:42
  were people with tears in their eyes. I gave
• 23:44
  it was about a 40 minute talk. I said, we elaborated
• 23:47
  more on it. It's really interesting. But I just
• 23:50
  thought, my gosh, it is so amazing. The movement
• 23:54
  when you talk about these things in people, then
• 23:57
  they go and look it up and then they are amazed.
• 23:59
  Go and I suggest that you go and look up on YouTube.
• 24:03
  There are talks on the Crimson Worm. Go and look
• 24:06
  up on YouTube, you know, the Crimson Worm and
• 24:10
  you'll get a talk up there up there. And it is
• 24:13
  amazing. And there's not a dry eye at the end
• 24:15
  of it, even even sort of like pastors that are
• 24:17
  talking about it. are talking, you know, just
• 24:21
  moved so much by it. But yeah, she dies, she
• 24:26
  kills herself so that she can cover her children
• 24:29
  with this crimson dye so that they go away all
• 24:32
  the time. They feed on her for three days, the
• 24:35
  mother, they eat her, they eat of her. And then
• 24:38
  this crimson dye coats them and they are crimson
• 24:40
  worms forever. And it's just beautiful. And then
• 24:43
  the Crimson Worm sucks its back tail up inside.
• 24:46
  So it becomes like this tiny heart shape. And
• 24:50
  this is the heart of Christ. And your sins become
• 24:53
  like the driven snow, because it becomes a pure
• 24:55
  white thing when it dies. And that's after three
• 24:58
  days. Honestly. But this is what I'm saying.
• 25:04
  This is what I can see. Then how can a man be
• 25:08
  justified with God then? How can he? How can
• 25:10
  anyone be clean of a woman? Ah, the son of man,
• 25:14
  which is a worm. Right. That's how you become
• 25:17
  clean. And that's how it happens. And all this
• 25:20
  is being written. And they don't even know what
• 25:23
  they're actually saying. They don't even know
• 25:25
  it's right there for them. And that is a that
• 25:27
  is a brilliant. Thing to talk about with that
• 25:30
  worm. I appreciate you sharing that and I think
• 25:32
  everybody if I can remember I'll try to put a
• 25:35
  link to a couple of the videos that she's talking
• 25:37
  about on YouTube I'll try to find them and put
• 25:39
  them there for you so you can look but wow What
• 25:41
  a fascinating topic and maybe we can do another
• 25:43
  show just about the total worm if it's fully
• 25:45
  minutes long You could talk about that Exactly,
• 25:48
  and then people can comment because we've given
• 25:49
  the heads up already about it. But honestly Rick
• 25:52
  it is it is it just you at the end of it I think
• 25:57
  if you have got no tears in your eyes or tears
• 26:00
  aren't rolling down your cheek, you haven't got
• 26:02
  it. You haven't got it. Well, I just want you
• 26:06
  to know I've heard of that worm but I've never
• 26:08
  heard it described in this fashion. Oh, it's
• 26:10
  amazing and the way the tree that it climbs up,
• 26:14
  you can find it elsewhere but it's in Palestine
• 26:15
  and it's a tree that's got like thorns on it,
• 26:19
  you know, and it climbs up between your thorns
• 26:20
  and it just makes me think of like when Christ
• 26:22
  was caught, or the ram was caught in the thicket
• 26:25
  when Abraham was going to give up Isaac. And
• 26:29
  he said, God will provide himself a sacrifice.
• 26:35
  So himself is the sacrifice. And it's all being
• 26:39
  written down there. The moon isn't pure, the
• 26:44
  stars aren't, and yet the son of man is, because
• 26:46
  he's the tola worm. This tiny insignificant thing
• 26:50
  that nobody gives any credibility or credence
• 26:53
  to. This is what God used to signify who his
• 26:57
  son was. Oh, I mean, you know, nothing is insignificant.
• 27:03
  Nothing. Nothing. It's just amazing the way that
• 27:07
  these things work out and how God has planned.
• 27:09
  This is what I'm saying. This is why I find it
• 27:11
  such a love story. God is so deep. He's planned
• 27:14
  every single thing around his son. And like we
• 27:18
  said yesterday, this moment in time, this moment
• 27:21
  in time when Christ on the cross said, it is
• 27:24
  finished, paid in full, paid in full, you know,
• 27:28
  and that was it. And through his shed blood,
• 27:31
  we are all washed clean in it. We are covered
• 27:34
  in him. Wonderful. We appear as a driven snow.
• 27:37
  Yeah. And the heart. Oh, man. Very good. All
• 27:42
  right. So here's how we're going to before we
• 27:45
  get into chapter number 26. This is where we
• 27:49
  are. Okay, so build dad Definitely has theology
• 27:53
  But it's basically without oxygen. It's airless.
• 27:58
  It's empty because he knows Dominion he knows
• 28:03
  fear. He knows heaven. He knows purity, you know
• 28:07
  stars and holiness But he doesn't know what to
• 28:10
  do with this man sitting in the ashes. No, that's
• 28:14
  the reality. He doesn't know what to do with
• 28:17
  this man that's in the ashes none of them do
• 28:19
  and so there's only one who actually knows what
• 28:22
  to do with this man in the ashes and that's going
• 28:23
  to be God himself but Job is working through
• 28:27
  now remember he's being pressed pressed pressed
• 28:30
  now Job's going to open his mouth and he's going
• 28:32
  to start talking and I want to give you a little
• 28:34
  bit of a heads up because if you've already read
• 28:36
  ahead by the time you get to chapter 27 It almost
• 28:41
  starts to sound like he's in agreement with his
• 28:43
  friends. It does sound like that in a way, but
• 28:46
  you've got to get what's going on here in 26
• 28:49
  in order to understand 27. Remember these build
• 28:54
  on each other. He's not just an agreement. He
• 28:56
  agrees to a point, but he's going to show them
• 28:59
  the difference, how he's seeing this wickedness
• 29:02
  and what ultimately comes. So if you would, Elaine,
• 29:05
  in mind reading Uh, chapter 26. Right, do you
• 29:11
  want me to read it from this, the complete or
• 29:14
  the - Yeah, go from the complete, that sounds
• 29:16
  great. Right. It says, The ghosts of the dead
• 29:38
  tremble beneath the water with its creatures.
• 29:41
  Sheol is naked before him, abandoned lies uncovered.
• 29:45
  He stretches the north over chaos. He suspends
• 29:47
  the earth on nothing. He binds up the water in
• 29:50
  his thick clouds, yet no cloud is torn apart
• 29:53
  by it. He shuts off the view of his throne by
• 29:56
  spreading his cloud across it. He fixed a circle
• 29:59
  on the surface of the water, defining the boundary
• 30:02
  between light and dark. All right, so He actually
• 30:34
  addresses Bill dad. So remember he I said that
• 30:38
  he wasn't really addressing Elif as he's just
• 30:40
  in a group But in this case, he's addressing
• 30:42
  Bill dad, but I think it's meant for the whole
• 30:43
  group, too All right. He starts off being sarcastic.
• 30:47
  Actually, that's that he does. Yes, because I've
• 30:49
  written down here soccer you imagine Oh, yeah,
• 30:51
  what great help you bring to the situation. Yeah.
• 30:53
  Good job guys. What a great health here I am.
• 30:56
  Nothing's changed all of these all of these words
• 30:59
  Yeah, blah blah blah blah. Yeah And Bill Dad,
• 31:04
  you know, you were, if anything, you were short
• 31:07
  and you were abstract and emotionally cold. Like
• 31:10
  that's what you are. Is that safe? Basically,
• 31:14
  he's utterly helpless. Bill Dad does nothing
• 31:18
  for him. Basically, this is a pastoral failure
• 31:23
  he's mentioning. All right. What is he? How have
• 31:25
  you helped him who has no power? How have you
• 31:28
  saved the arm that has no strength? That's the
• 31:30
  sarcasm. Wow. Yeah, incredible amazing. Look
• 31:34
  at all the help you've given to a weak and suffering
• 31:36
  man guys. Look what you've done That's basically
• 31:38
  how he's that's what he's saying, right? Yeah,
• 31:41
  I'm happy now Yeah, I mean You would think that
• 31:46
  Job in his in his stature in his life that the
• 31:50
  friends that would have come to him would have
• 31:51
  been the ones to bring him wisdom and patience
• 31:54
  and compassion and gentleness, but no His friends
• 31:58
  do not do they do not contain this No, but I
• 32:02
  think the scene was already set that they thought
• 32:04
  that he was going to respond in a certain way.
• 32:05
  But when Jobe did, it was almost like, oh, hang
• 32:08
  on a minute, this isn't quite how we sort of
• 32:10
  saw it going here. The man is responding to our
• 32:13
  wisdom, our wise words, the way we see it. And
• 32:16
  they start to, again, these sorts of things that
• 32:19
  they're commenting on now. Jobe is, like you
• 32:21
  say, sarcasm. What other things are you going
• 32:24
  to tell me? You know, we've got a bit time going
• 32:26
  on here, you know, hurry up, hurry up. Yes, exactly.
• 32:29
  So in essence, and we'll go through more of this
• 32:33
  chapter as we go here, but I just wanted to say
• 32:35
  this as an outline. The reason why I wanted you
• 32:37
  to stop at twenty seven, because when Joe gets
• 32:41
  into twenty eight, he's going to define wisdom
• 32:44
  for you. That's that's really what's going to
• 32:46
  happen. So he's showing them even in this sarcasm.
• 32:50
  This isn't wisdom. This isn't wisdom. You've
• 32:53
  got generalities. You've got You're looking at
• 32:56
  reality in a wrong way. You're not being honest
• 32:59
  and truthful with your but tell me something.
• 33:01
  I don't know Right. Yeah, exactly. And he's about
• 33:04
  to and he's going to get into that. He is going
• 33:06
  to start showing what you would think is agreement
• 33:08
  with them, but he's actually pushing it even
• 33:10
  more forward. And so when he gets to Chapter
• 33:13
  28, that's when he's going to start defining
• 33:15
  this wisdom. Now, there's a lot going on and
• 33:18
  we're only in, you know, we've got to go. We
• 33:20
  got a long way to go here. There's several chapters.
• 33:21
  We've still got to lie who to deal with. We've
• 33:23
  got God who's going to be speaking. So I don't
• 33:25
  want to get too far ahead, but I just want to
• 33:27
  say that. This is why I said it's how to become
• 33:30
  a high priest. You have to go through this and
• 33:33
  we, the only way that we are gonna understand
• 33:36
  what Joe means is if we actually have compassion
• 33:38
  on him, if we actually get in the dust with him,
• 33:42
  if we listen to the words of his mouth, the things
• 33:45
  that he says, right? He says, how have you counseled
• 33:49
  him who has no wisdom and plentifully declared
• 33:51
  sound knowledge? Again, wow, what brilliant counsel
• 33:54
  you've brought, right? What's the next verse
• 33:58
  here? Verse four. With whose help have you uttered
• 34:01
  words and whose breath has come out from you?
• 34:04
  I think yours said spirit, didn't it? Whose spirit
• 34:07
  is it coming forth from you? Yeah. Where's that
• 34:10
  come from? I mean, who's the source? I looked
• 34:14
  at it a couple of different ways. I either think
• 34:17
  that one, Job is kind of like still mocking him
• 34:20
  or he's exposing something that's been borrowed.
• 34:24
  It's been taken from somewhere else. Well, I
• 34:27
  think again, it's it's it's who's the source.
• 34:29
  Right. Who is the source? Who's the source? Is
• 34:31
  it you? Yeah. God. Where did you get this from?
• 34:35
  Where's your source? Yeah. So who fed you these
• 34:39
  particular phrases, Bill Dad? Who fed you that?
• 34:42
  Right. Who gave you that? This stock wisdom,
• 34:46
  whatever this is, that you're repeating because.
• 34:49
  Well, it's not really wisdom. It's just knowledge.
• 34:51
  Because if he had wisdom, he would understand
• 34:53
  that the knowledge is be applied properly. You
• 34:55
  got it. It's not wisdom. It's knowledge. There's
• 34:58
  a big difference. There is a big difference.
• 35:00
  Good job. All right First five the dead tremble
• 35:04
  under the waters in their inhabitants. That was
• 35:06
  interesting to me because now Job is shifting.
• 35:08
  He's already like I think he was dealing with
• 35:11
  build ad probably possibly mocking him But also
• 35:13
  pointing out, you know, you're repeating this
• 35:15
  information from somewhere. That's why this is
• 35:17
  like stock wisdom for you, but it's actually
• 35:19
  knowledge and Now he's gonna say The dead. What
• 35:25
  is yours, the complete Jewish, in verse 5, how
• 35:28
  does it say it? It says, the ghosts of the dead
• 35:30
  tremble. Well, you can have the spirits of the
• 35:34
  dead tremble. Yeah, in the ESV, it says the dead,
• 35:40
  but when you look at the underlying Hebrew points,
• 35:43
  it's like the shades of the departed ones, or
• 35:45
  the departed ones. Yeah, in the King James, it
• 35:48
  says, dead things are formed from under the waters.
• 35:52
  Yes. With the inhabitants thereof. Right, so
• 35:57
  this word popped up and I'm sorry that I didn't
• 35:59
  do a full study on it and I need to, okay? I
• 36:03
  might even go and look it up right quick. But
• 36:06
  the word that's being used here for the dead
• 36:09
  or for the ghosts is... Ref I am our e ph a im
• 36:14
  ref. I am a shadowy term used in the Old Testament
• 36:18
  for the dead or ghost -like underworld inhabitants
• 36:21
  So job doesn't start with the stars above which
• 36:26
  is where build ad was he goes with the spirits
• 36:29
  below See he's taking you down into the depths
• 36:33
  here. All right, so which to me is fascinating.
• 36:36
  He went the opposite direction, right? so I think
• 36:40
  that what Job is going to show us is that God
• 36:46
  is over even the deepest shadowy realm. He's
• 36:50
  over all of it, right? They remember he talked
• 36:53
  about a worm. Remember how Bill did said the
• 36:55
  worm? Well, if you think about the worm, it's
• 36:57
  in the dirt. He's saying, no, it goes into the
• 37:00
  spirit even below. God's gonna see all of it.
• 37:03
  And if you remember earlier in one of the chapters,
• 37:06
  he said, I'm going to the north and I'm going
• 37:07
  to the south and the west and the east. I cannot
• 37:09
  find him, but I know he sees me. Job understands
• 37:12
  that God does see him, but he sees all things.
• 37:15
  He's so immense. And Job's gonna pick up on this
• 37:18
  later in chapter 27. Alright so under the waters
• 37:22
  guys by this point you probably already know
• 37:24
  this it represents chaos death the unknown the
• 37:28
  abyss The threatening untamed realm beneath the
• 37:32
  ordered life. That's that's the idea here. Alright,
• 37:35
  that's where this is. It's so it's like Almost
• 37:39
  like the cosmology of the ancient world if you
• 37:42
  if you've ever seen these things the cosmology
• 37:44
  you have Like this dome and you've got the heavens
• 37:46
  above and the waters beneath you've got this
• 37:48
  space and you got the land and then underneath
• 37:49
  You've got the subterranean and then you've got
• 37:51
  the spirit. It's kind of like that ancient cosmological
• 37:54
  views seems like that's what he's showing Waters
• 37:58
  underworld beneath that's the shadowy places,
• 38:00
  right? But listen to what he says in verse 6
• 38:02
  read that again Sheol is naked before him Abaddon
• 38:10
  lies uncovered. Oh, wow. Right. Wow. So Abaddon,
• 38:15
  that was interesting. But Sheol. All right. So
• 38:18
  I'm going to look up something real quick because
• 38:21
  I want to know myself. I got to know. All right.
• 38:25
  So Sheol is naked before God. So that's interesting.
• 38:27
  That means it's unclothed. That means he can
• 38:29
  see it exactly. Well, again, the grave is talked
• 38:32
  about the ghost of the dead tremble. I mean,
• 38:34
  again. You know, in what condition are these
• 38:36
  to God? She -el is naked before him. It's exposed.
• 38:40
  It doesn't hide anything. It might hide dead
• 38:45
  people, dust people. But what is that to me as
• 38:49
  God? We've already spoken about the worm. We've
• 38:52
  already just spoken about the worm there and
• 38:54
  the son of man, which is a worm. So, I mean,
• 38:56
  it's following on. It's all hidden in there.
• 39:00
  Redemption is all hidden in there. It's hidden
• 39:03
  in there totally. shield is abaddon means destruction
• 39:07
  so destruction lies uncovered very good yes destruction
• 39:11
  very good the place of ruin destruction or what
• 39:13
  lies beyond human reach okay it says that um
• 39:17
  in psalm 88 11 it says is your steadfast love
• 39:20
  declared in the grave or your faithfulness in
• 39:22
  abaddon This word of bad and showing destruction
• 39:26
  or the unseen ruin of death or a domain of destruction
• 39:30
  the place that where things are swallowed up
• 39:32
  you might be able to think of like the sons of
• 39:34
  Korra how they're swallowed up right that destruction
• 39:38
  of those and Revelation 9 11 they have exactly
• 39:41
  I was gonna bring that up Good they have is king
• 39:44
  over them the angel of the bottomless pit his
• 39:46
  name in hebrew is a bad in a drink his name is
• 39:50
  a poly on and it just right it means destroyer
• 39:53
  destruction destroyer. That's right and so in
• 39:57
  the old testament of adding is more like a realm
• 39:59
  or a condition of destruction and revelation
• 40:01
  destructive forces personified into a king or
• 40:05
  an angel over the abyss. Okay this is really
• 40:09
  wild it's an angel of judgment. It is you're
• 40:12
  judging it is yeah, because again he talks about
• 40:15
  the same thing the abyss It's it's the abyss
• 40:18
  the angel of the abyss Yeah, it just is there.
• 40:22
  It's these it's this angel of death. It's this
• 40:25
  is You know, we know who the angel of death is
• 40:28
  really right You know, I mean the one that visited
• 40:32
  the Egyptians firstborn sons Right. Okay exactly
• 40:38
  You know again, it talks about this He was given
• 40:42
  the key to the abyss, but down. But again, the
• 40:45
  whole point of this is Job is saying God knows
• 40:49
  that exactly. That's the point that he's saying
• 40:52
  is like, look, I, I received God is sovereign.
• 40:57
  I'm saying it with my mouth. He's over all of
• 40:59
  it. And he, yeah, Job's going to get personal
• 41:02
  here in a little bit. He will get personal about
• 41:04
  this in chapter 27, but he's, he's taking their
• 41:09
  worldview and he's actually opening it up even
• 41:12
  further okay he's saying yeah there are things
• 41:15
  that you're saying in generalities that are true
• 41:16
  there are things about weakness that you're saying
• 41:18
  true let me show you how far this goes you really
• 41:20
  need to know who this god is it's not so cut
• 41:22
  and dry as you guys like to put it there's no
• 41:25
  hidden realm where god's sight fails that's the
• 41:29
  point exactly no hidden realm where god's sight
• 41:32
  fails No, there isn't. I mean, let's face it.
• 41:35
  Here's the Alpha and the Omega, the first and
• 41:37
  the last beginning and the end. He knows everything.
• 41:39
  He created everything. He brought everything
• 41:40
  forward. Without him, nothing lives. It just
• 41:42
  expires. Right. And that's beautiful. I'm glad
• 41:45
  you said it that way. But this is what I needed
• 41:48
  to understand and what I believe I hope that
• 41:50
  you all as our listeners understand is that What
• 41:54
  job is saying is actually true. That means that
• 41:56
  in every single circumstance of your life, God
• 41:59
  is absolutely aware. Sometimes we say it with
• 42:02
  our mouth, but we don't actually believe that.
• 42:05
  Like I had some, you know, I think Alan had asked
• 42:07
  me, you know, do you think God actually brought
• 42:09
  the storm of Helene? And my answer was yes. The
• 42:13
  storm of what? The storm of hurricane Helene
• 42:15
  when it came. Oh, sorry. Yes. Yes. Right. He
• 42:17
  had said, do you think this is just weather or
• 42:19
  do you think like, where do we stand now? And
• 42:21
  I said, yes. This did not take God by surprise.
• 42:24
  This is something God is at the end as it is
• 42:27
  in the beginning. So I'm one of those weird people
• 42:29
  that believe that God brings the weather because
• 42:31
  I believe that he knows it. If he didn't want
• 42:33
  it to rain on that day, God could have stopped
• 42:36
  it, but he didn't. Exactly. There's a purpose
• 42:38
  in it. God knows it. So I have trust in God.
• 42:41
  No matter what happens in my circumstances, I
• 42:43
  have to say, God, you know. Exactly. And it just
• 42:48
  goes back to, you know, I know the beginning
• 42:50
  to the end. yes you know i am the author of salvation
• 42:53
  i i've always been there i always will be there
• 42:56
  all of this and this is why i keep banging on
• 42:58
  about the fact that right from genesis to revelation
• 43:02
  we have to see that right at the beginning there
• 43:03
  the things he's talking about like you know beneath
• 43:05
  the water with its creatures we see the sort
• 43:08
  of big sea monsters that go into the waters you
• 43:10
  know this is this is these are talking about
• 43:13
  the pressure natural creatures like Peter and
• 43:16
  like the apostles that went out there as these
• 43:18
  big guns like we we need to see that at the end
• 43:22
  of that these are not just individual stories
• 43:24
  They are part of a wonderful tapestry that God
• 43:28
  has woven into, like I keep saying, individual
• 43:30
  lives, couples' lives, married lives, families,
• 43:34
  tribes, nations. It's all woven in there and
• 43:38
  it's all, all about his son Christ. He's the
• 43:42
  beginning and he's the Aleph and the Tav. The
• 43:44
  Aleph is the power. That's the cross. He's the
• 43:47
  pair of the cross right there. Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 43:50
  And that, and I like how you put that, um, because
• 43:53
  like the cross has a vertical beam, right? And
• 43:55
  it has a horizontal beam, but you think about
• 43:57
  the vertical beam. Remember when I said that
• 43:59
  Job looks up, like he's, he's sitting there and
• 44:01
  he's looking up, like he's dealing with God.
• 44:03
  He's talking with God instead of dealing with
• 44:04
  this. But what's going on is that those men like
• 44:07
  build that and then they're operating up here
• 44:08
  on the upper side. And they're saying, even these
• 44:11
  aren't pure enough. And even this will look,
• 44:13
  Job goes. He goes down. He's going down below
• 44:16
  the earth He's showing you that actually let
• 44:18
  me show you how deep actually God goes watch
• 44:21
  this how so I want to give you guys like this
• 44:24
  Interesting thing that happened to me yesterday.
• 44:26
  Okay, I'm not gonna say names it's a person that
• 44:30
  I know personally and For whatever reason she
• 44:35
  decided to confide in me some truths about her
• 44:39
  heart about her relationship To her husband it's
• 44:43
  it was it was like pastoral care, but i'm not
• 44:46
  her pastor and this was just something that she
• 44:49
  said to me She had expressed things about how
• 44:52
  she for example, no longer loved her husband
• 44:55
  First of all, it would be inappropriate In most
• 44:59
  cases, but I was just trying to be kind and I
• 45:01
  listened He didn't love her husband. She had
• 45:04
  said I've even tried to gain weight so he'd stop
• 45:05
  being interested in me I've even stopped wearing
• 45:08
  makeup because I don't want them I didn't want
• 45:10
  him to be attracted to me and I'm sitting there
• 45:12
  and I'm listening to this and I'm thinking to
• 45:14
  myself That's that's appalling. I mean, that's
• 45:18
  my question. Is she a Christian? Yes, let me
• 45:21
  finish Christian. Yes. Oh, I'm glad you said
• 45:24
  thanks for asking I was gonna say that okay So
• 45:27
  here's what I discovered and I thank this study
• 45:29
  of job for helping me understand it Okay? Because
• 45:33
  for whatever reason, as I was listening, I wasn't
• 45:37
  judging because I was trying to be a compassionate
• 45:40
  listener. Instead of looking at her and posturing
• 45:43
  like, well, that's unholiness, right? I decided
• 45:46
  to be compassionate. And so the question that
• 45:49
  I asked was this. I said, have you told the Lord
• 45:53
  this? Have you told the Lord the things that
• 45:56
  you just said to me that I've decided not to
• 45:59
  wear makeup. So I'd be ugly. So he wouldn't want
• 46:01
  me. I've decided to gain weight so that I would
• 46:02
  be unattractive and therefore want to be around
• 46:04
  me. I've decided that I'm not going to answer
• 46:06
  him sometimes to make him angry so that because
• 46:09
  I want him to get rid of me. I said, what I'm
• 46:11
  seeing is that you're trying to get him to get
• 46:13
  rid of you so that you don't have to wear the
• 46:15
  guilt of a broken relationship. And because you're
• 46:17
  it's marriage and because you feel strongly that,
• 46:20
  you know, God is over marriage. Is that what's
• 46:21
  really going on? Yes. I said, do you understand
• 46:25
  that what you're doing? Is that you are actually
• 46:29
  it's kind of like a form of gaslighting your
• 46:31
  husband. It's like He might say things like I've
• 46:33
  noticed that you don't really keep up with your
• 46:35
  appearances like you used to are you trying to
• 46:36
  get rid of me? No, even though that would be
• 46:39
  true Right. So I said have you had this in prayer
• 46:42
  if you spoke to God about this Have you asked
• 46:45
  the father father? I've been doing this In order
• 46:48
  to have you know have her answer was no. No,
• 46:51
  I would never speak to God that way And I said
• 46:54
  now I know that your relationship with him Doesn't
• 46:57
  exist is wrong. Yeah, what you have is an idea
• 47:03
  of what that is You don't know him. You don't
• 47:05
  know him You need you need to go before him and
• 47:09
  you need to lay yourself out before you need
• 47:11
  you need to know him and he And he wants to know
• 47:14
  you see that the only reason we were able to
• 47:16
  get there wasn't judgment. It was compassion
• 47:18
  I suddenly saw where the relationship had broke
• 47:20
  down. She was kind of like a Zophar She was kind
• 47:23
  of like a build that was a surface person that
• 47:26
  knew about God and was operating in that but
• 47:28
  never really had this relationship where she
• 47:31
  could speak. Job would say I know your ugliness
• 47:34
  I see how far down you've went you're willing
• 47:37
  to gaslight your husband you're willing to do
• 47:39
  these things to him to break the marriage because
• 47:41
  you have a guilty conscience because you don't
• 47:43
  want to own it and break up the marriage and
• 47:45
  be responsible for that so therefore you're acting
• 47:47
  this way I see that did you know that God loves
• 47:50
  you and that he can repair that in you. Did you
• 47:52
  know that you can come up from the dust? Did
• 47:54
  you know that this marriage could be actually
• 47:56
  saved and be better than you ever imagined? But
• 47:59
  you're gonna have to trust him. You have to get
• 48:01
  in with him and let him know who you truly are.
• 48:03
  And then that's when you know what forgiveness
• 48:05
  really is. I know. Yeah, and the sad thing is,
• 48:13
  they can't have that much of a relationship with
• 48:14
  God because God knows what she's thinking even
• 48:16
  before she thinks it. Of course. And that's what
• 48:20
  Joe's saying here. Exactly. It's not as if you're
• 48:23
  sort of like hiding it and thinking, well, you
• 48:25
  know, it's a bit like the Pharisees behind closed
• 48:27
  doors. Oh, God can't see me. Hang on a minute.
• 48:29
  That shows you how little you know him because
• 48:31
  you think he can't see you. Yeah, but yeah, I'm
• 48:34
  glad that you say, but this is my point, Elaine.
• 48:36
  Watch our brain can say, I know God knows this
• 48:40
  about me, but there's a difference in him knowing
• 48:43
  it and you turning around and speaking it back
• 48:44
  to him. There is, but then that still tells me
• 48:48
  that you haven't got an understanding, a depth
• 48:51
  of a relationship. That's correct. The first
• 48:53
  thing I would say to God is, Lord, my relationship's
• 48:57
  failing, help me to change it around, help me
• 48:59
  to turn it around. Right. Showing me where I'm
• 49:02
  failing, because the fault lies with me, or my
• 49:05
  husband, and I would ask as two Christians that
• 49:08
  really we need that threefold call at Ecclesiastes
• 49:11
  that's not easily broken. Right. If God is not
• 49:14
  in your marriage, if God is not in the center
• 49:16
  of your marriage, so the husband's not looking
• 49:18
  to God, the wife's not looking to God, they're
• 49:19
  not playing their roles. I mean, it's a disaster.
• 49:23
  But listen, listen, you're hitting the nail on
• 49:26
  the head. That's what I'm trying to get here.
• 49:28
  I know you are. I'm agreeing with you. Yeah,
• 49:30
  yeah, I know you are. I'm saying that her husband
• 49:33
  and she and her husband. Believe that they're
• 49:36
  Christians believe they're in church are being
• 49:38
  trained by their pastor But they have an idea
• 49:41
  about God. They don't have a relationship Yeah,
• 49:44
  because they they they they might have a surface
• 49:46
  one, but it's one way in their brain They but
• 49:49
  they're not they know about God. They're like
• 49:52
  God bless me today because of this. That's great
• 49:54
  That's great. And I believe you you know, it's
• 49:57
  just like bill dad said God is even brighter
• 50:00
  than this the moon Well, yes, good job, but can
• 50:04
  you look at him and say I? Am doing this I if
• 50:09
  this is what's coming from me Creating me a clean
• 50:13
  heart Oh God because my heart is desperately
• 50:15
  wicked and who can know it exactly It's time
• 50:18
  to have a broken in a contrite spirit is how
• 50:21
  you come before God to let him do that for you
• 50:24
  To bring you into the light And that shows you,
• 50:28
  well, you've got a good relationship. I mean,
• 50:30
  it's like when you're a parent, you see a child,
• 50:32
  you know they've done something, but you want
• 50:34
  them to come to you without you going to them.
• 50:36
  You want them to say, oh, mommy, I've done this.
• 50:40
  And you don't say, well, I knew you had, you
• 50:42
  just think to yourself, oh, bless, they actually
• 50:44
  trust me enough to know that they can come to
• 50:46
  me and say those things. And it warms the relationship.
• 50:49
  It moves you internally. And this is what God
• 50:52
  wants. He must be so broken hearted. I mean,
• 50:55
  if God can be blessed, he can be broken hearted.
• 50:57
  You know, yes, the children, you know, you just
• 51:00
  think to yourself, he's longing for us to share
• 51:02
  our thoughts and our feelings, you know, with
• 51:04
  him. It's like I say, if you've got a problem
• 51:06
  with anything, you know, someone in the church
• 51:08
  might have a problem with pornography. I know
• 51:09
  Pete bringing up pornography because that's sort
• 51:11
  of like very, you know, you look on your phone
• 51:13
  and see it and nobody will ever know. but it's
• 51:17
  things like that that you should be able to go
• 51:19
  to not that you're ashamed because that's what
• 51:21
  sin is god wants to eradicate and change and
• 51:24
  change your spirit within you so you don't want
• 51:26
  to feel that you need to look at that so you
• 51:29
  need to go to him with with that open heart not
• 51:31
  let's face it god is not there's nothing new
• 51:34
  under the sun rick god is not shocked i mean
• 51:37
  if you put in the bible don't stand before a
• 51:39
  beast to have sex with it i mean you can't shock
• 51:41
  god can you great Right, not at all. And I think
• 51:45
  that's the point here, right? So, Jobe is saying...
• 51:51
  God knows everything. Look at the next verse.
• 51:52
  He stretches out the north over the void and
• 51:54
  hangs the earth on nothing. Now, a lot of us
• 51:56
  that we talk about, see, that's the spinning
• 51:58
  globe. That's not what he's talking about. What
• 52:00
  he's saying is that he knows the deepest depths.
• 52:04
  He knows a bad and he knows refining, he knows
• 52:07
  chaos and darkness and and shield is naked before
• 52:10
  his eyes and he stretches the north over the
• 52:13
  void. He hangs the earth on nothing. He is the
• 52:16
  total power. He is the power is everything. But
• 52:20
  Jesus would say, you will see me and I will be
• 52:23
  at the right hand of the power. He says that.
• 52:26
  He uses that term, right? OK, sorry. I don't
• 52:29
  mean to get so excited, but I love the word God.
• 52:31
  I think we all get excited. I mean, that's how
• 52:32
  it should be. Yeah. Verse eight, he binds up
• 52:35
  the waters in his thick clouds and the cloud
• 52:37
  is not split open under them. He's literally
• 52:39
  looking at his world. He's saying there's a cloud
• 52:41
  and it's going by and there's rain in it. It's
• 52:43
  heavy. Yes, I believe God brings the rain clouds.
• 52:47
  Yes. God is design all of this. This is here.
• 52:49
  He he's with us in the skies. Absolutely stars
• 52:52
  in the moon and the sun. He hangs the earth on
• 52:55
  nothingness, but he knows the depth of shield.
• 52:57
  He does not he cannot be stopped. He will go
• 53:01
  everywhere. He covers the face of the full moon
• 53:04
  and spreads over it is cloud. So he takes that
• 53:07
  cloud and he covers the face. This is from our
• 53:11
  perspective. It's God that's doing it. God veils.
• 53:13
  moon he obscures what's bright and stable okay
• 53:20
  even the things that man things are fixed and
• 53:24
  luminous are still subject to god's hidden hand
• 53:27
  what voice what verse are you on rick uh i think
• 53:30
  i'm on verse nine he covers the face of the full
• 53:32
  moon um but my verse nine says he shuts off the
• 53:36
  view of his throne by spreading his clouds across
• 53:40
  it yeah it's the moon and the sb How about that,
• 53:44
  huh? How about that? He shuts off the view of
• 53:48
  his throne Yeah, now watch this joke 2610 people
• 53:51
  use this but listen He has inscribed a circle
• 53:53
  on the face of the waters at the boundary between
• 53:56
  light and darkness Now many people will use this
• 54:00
  as a way to prove the globe He'd inscribed a
• 54:04
  circle on the face of the waters. So there's
• 54:05
  the face of the waters. There's a circle. Well,
• 54:08
  it's not a globe is more of a ball and And the
• 54:11
  Hebrews knew how to differentiate between a circle
• 54:14
  and a globe. Look, it's really simple. I try
• 54:17
  to explain this. An earthbound creature. OK,
• 54:21
  let me show you how this works. You see this
• 54:24
  little bottle that I've got here. Marchesa gave
• 54:25
  me this bottle. It's got this stress relieving
• 54:29
  calm oil. But as you can see, an earthbound creature
• 54:32
  spins like this. That's how a person can see
• 54:36
  his world north south east west he spins in a
• 54:40
  circle The horizon is a circle on the waters.
• 54:43
  It's a circle It doesn't change because this
• 54:46
  is what we do We we can't go all the way up and
• 54:48
  we can't go all the way down, but we can do this
• 54:51
  So he's the he's showing the waters above look
• 54:57
  You can see it you can see the circle It's going
• 55:01
  all around you. You can go this way. You can
• 55:04
  see whatever you call it the dome or the atmosphere
• 55:06
  or whatever it is the right hand verse 11 The
• 55:11
  pillars of heaven tremble and are astounded at
• 55:13
  his rebuke. So now we've got these pillars that
• 55:15
  are holding the heaven up This is ancient cosmology
• 55:18
  guys. He's defining the world based on their
• 55:20
  ancient cosmology and it's He's saying that even
• 55:25
  those cosmic supports Shake whenever God rebukes.
• 55:30
  Okay, God is all power that that's really what
• 55:33
  he's getting by his power He stilled the sea
• 55:35
  verse 12 by his understanding. He shattered Rahab.
• 55:40
  We talked about Rahab earlier In an earlier study,
• 55:44
  right? So Rahab, it's again. It's not rehab from
• 55:48
  Jericho. It's the mythic imagery symbolic of
• 55:52
  chaos or cosmic Opposition, proud, cosmic opposition,
• 55:59
  a chaos monster figure or a proud sea power.
• 56:03
  Even Egypt has been considered a historical embodiment
• 56:07
  of proud opposition to God. They would be a Rahab
• 56:10
  against the people. So he's using this language
• 56:13
  that these guys already know. This is ancient
• 56:17
  language that these men understand. See, a lot
• 56:20
  of this takes me back to Genesis one. Of course
• 56:24
  it does. It's all over it. So much of it takes
• 56:27
  me back to Genesis 1. It just, you just read
• 56:30
  it and you just think, we'll have to do Genesis
• 56:33
  1 again. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, read verse 13
• 56:37
  again in your complete Jewish Bible. With his
• 56:40
  spirit, he spreads the heavens. His hand pierces
• 56:44
  the fleeing serpent. Interesting. So in the ESV,
• 56:47
  it's by his wind that the heavens were made fair.
• 56:52
  It's God's spirit, the wind, the spirit. Within
• 56:55
  the context, it's this divine breath. He's later
• 57:01
  going to say, Job's later going to say, with
• 57:05
  the breath, with this God given breath inside
• 57:07
  of me, he's going to say that God breathed. He'll
• 57:11
  say that the way that Adam received the breath
• 57:13
  of life. He's going to use this later. God's
• 57:15
  breath beautifies the heavens. I like where it
• 57:21
  says in the King James says, by his spirit. He
• 57:24
  have garnished the heavens. Yes, that's lovely.
• 57:28
  It's very poetic and beautifully. Imagine it,
• 57:30
  can't you? Garnishing. Right. The right touch
• 57:33
  is lovely. Yes, absolutely. The fleeing serpent.
• 57:38
  OK, that's when I was like, OK, what's this all
• 57:40
  about? All right. It's within that category that
• 57:44
  we're going to hear of as Leviathan. We're going
• 57:46
  to hear about this this character, this chaos
• 57:49
  serpent. OK. Now, Job's not endorsing, like,
• 57:54
  pagan mythology here. That's not what's going
• 57:56
  on. What he's really saying here, whatever this
• 57:59
  terrifying, chaos, serpent -like power is, God
• 58:03
  defeats it. What we also understand in chapter
• 58:06
  one and chapter two is that God rules it. He
• 58:09
  rules over it. God's gonna tell him this later.
• 58:12
  He's gonna get into it. But this serpent imagery...
• 58:15
  This chaos imagery, if you don't think of Genesis
• 58:17
  3, I would be very surprised. I think of that
• 58:22
  seed of the woman that's going to have enmity
• 58:24
  against the serpent. There's always this cosmic
• 58:26
  struggle between the child of the woman and the
• 58:31
  serpent. Right? This born of woman, this man,
• 58:35
  the son of man with the serpent chaos figure,
• 58:38
  this flea. I think he's interesting that with
• 58:40
  his spirit, he spreads the heavens and it takes
• 58:42
  you to the new covenant arrangement where you've
• 58:44
  got the sun, the moon and the stars. And it says
• 58:47
  there, and he pierces, his hand pierces the fleeing
• 58:49
  serpent. Well, again, you know, it goes back
• 58:52
  to that. You will bruise him in the heel, but
• 58:53
  he'll crush you in the head. You know, it's sort
• 58:56
  of this cosmic language that's being used, but
• 58:59
  it's signifying. something that is actually has
• 59:03
  life that I'm going to destroy. I'm going to
• 59:08
  bring about an end to this serpent. Yes, that's
• 59:11
  good. That's really good. I love it. Now, read
• 59:17
  verse 14, and then we're going to close the study
• 59:20
  for the day. Listen to this. And these are but
• 59:23
  the fringes of his ways. How faint the echo we
• 59:27
  hear of him. but who is able to grasp the meaning
• 59:31
  of his thundering power. That's powerful. And
• 59:34
  I listened to it in the ESV says, behold, these
• 59:36
  are but the outskirts of his ways. And how small
• 59:42
  a whisper do we hear of him, but the thunder
• 59:46
  of his power, who can understand it? Okay. This
• 59:50
  is, this is the payoff of the entire chapter.
• 59:53
  Okay. After everything job's just described you've
• 59:56
  got she all the bad and heavens earth clouds
• 59:58
  moon horizon see Rahab serpent. He says that
• 1:00:01
  Yeah, that's only the outskirts guys. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:00:05
  and I love the way he says just an echo It's
• 1:00:09
  not the fullness it's not the death. It's just
• 1:00:14
  the echo. It's just the outskirts If you're not
• 1:00:18
  if that wasn't breathtaking you don't know what
• 1:00:20
  will be that I mean that's powerful, right? Yeah
• 1:00:23
  who is able to grasp the meaning of his thundering
• 1:00:26
  power. Everything we know of God's power is still
• 1:00:30
  only a whisper. Yeah. It's just a whisper. Do
• 1:00:33
  you remember when he has that moment with Elijah?
• 1:00:37
  You had quite a lot. Yeah, but the one about
• 1:00:39
  the whirlwind, but then he hears him and then
• 1:00:41
  he comes in a whisper. Yes. It made me think
• 1:00:44
  of that, right? I don't know why, but I just
• 1:00:46
  did. I was like, even in the faintest whisper.
• 1:00:50
  those things, those gigantic, powerful things
• 1:00:53
  you just talked about, that's the outskirts of
• 1:00:55
  this. Like this is, you don't understand the
• 1:00:57
  true power of God that you're talking about here,
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  guys. I mean, whoa, whoa. I just, for me again,
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  who is able to grasp the meaning of His thundering
• 1:01:08
  power. And I just think, you know, going back
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  to what we're saying about, you know, about the
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  woman and about the worm and the maggot, you
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  know, about the son of man, you know, saying
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  that, you know, this is only an echo in his day.
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  but it says, who's able to grasp the meaning
• 1:01:22
  of his thundering power? And I think that we
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  understand that thundering power in Christ. He
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  is that thundering power, you know? But back
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  here, when it was all being spoken about, these
• 1:01:33
  were words. These were things that they understood,
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  that they didn't grasp the full sort of like
• 1:01:38
  magnitude of the whole thing. And yet today we
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  have everything in this word, and yet how much?
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  really, do people delve and dig into it just
• 1:01:47
  to see their ancestry, like I keep saying, their
• 1:01:50
  heritage. These people are my brothers and sisters.
• 1:01:53
  These are my family that I'm talking about, and
• 1:01:56
  this is how God has woven all these things, you
• 1:01:59
  know, like Alan was saying, you know, about these
• 1:02:01
  authors. I like to think of these ones that wrote
• 1:02:03
  the Bible as being secretaries because they came
• 1:02:06
  and went, but they were just secretaries, but
• 1:02:09
  the author is the boss, and it's his words that
• 1:02:12
  the secretary writes down. But there's still
• 1:02:14
  these thoughts. The boss never changes. The second
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  you come and go. And it's the same story being
• 1:02:20
  written by the boss. And I just think that it's
• 1:02:22
  just sort of the more it's like a flower that's
• 1:02:25
  like that. And gradually over time, it starts
• 1:02:27
  to unfold until you see that the wonder of the
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  whole focal point, the center, that moment in
• 1:02:34
  time that we were talking about yesterday when
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  Christ said it is finished and gave up the ghost.
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  That's that moment. All about that. It all came
• 1:02:41
  down to that. Yes. Absolutely. All right. So
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  I'm going to ask everybody that's listening to
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  really prepare your heart right now. I need you
• 1:02:51
  to prepare your heart because what you're getting
• 1:02:52
  ready to hear is going to be very difficult to
• 1:02:55
  hear and understand, but it's necessary. We've
• 1:02:58
  reached the place in the study where it's necessary
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  now for me to share this. I've shared it in my
• 1:03:03
  testimony on the boroughs, but I'm going to share
• 1:03:05
  it here in the study because this is one of the
• 1:03:07
  things that I had to learn by being a believer
• 1:03:10
  in Jesus Christ and dealing with the world and
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  it's good and evil. At the age of five, I was
• 1:03:16
  viciously sexually abused by a 16 year old boy.
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  And this was over a period of months. And this
• 1:03:23
  was before I was a believer. This is when I was
• 1:03:25
  just a child in a home that didn't know God or
• 1:03:28
  care about God. And I, it was awful and I still
• 1:03:33
  remember it. I still see it. I still have those
• 1:03:37
  memories, those flesh patterns that came in.
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  Okay. That actually happened to me as a five
• 1:03:41
  year old boy. Now, fast forward to salvation.
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  Whenever I'm being presented with the gospel,
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  and I'm understanding that I have things that
• 1:03:50
  are evil inside of me, that I have lied, that
• 1:03:52
  I have stolen, that I have done things against
• 1:03:55
  God, and I recognize that in my spirit that I've
• 1:03:57
  done it, and I become a believer, and then I
• 1:04:01
  repent, and I ask God for forgiveness, and He
• 1:04:03
  gives it to me. and he brings me into this covenant
• 1:04:06
  relationship with him. I don't know everything
• 1:04:09
  about him, but at that age I was 10 and I hadn't
• 1:04:11
  really cognitively fully developed to even understand
• 1:04:14
  it. And then as I began to grow and I began to
• 1:04:17
  read God's Word, I began to learn more and more
• 1:04:19
  and more. And one of the things that I used to
• 1:04:21
  think before I got to know God was that God didn't
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  have anything to do or know with the evil that
• 1:04:28
  had happened to me. God was the good guy and
• 1:04:30
  the bad guy was the one that was doing it to
• 1:04:32
  me. So, it was a shock as I grew older and I
• 1:04:36
  matured to understand that nothing escapes God.
• 1:04:39
  Nothing escapes His sovereign power. He allows
• 1:04:42
  evil. He allows it. And there are purposes behind
• 1:04:46
  it. Now, to look at it from the eyes of a five
• 1:04:49
  -year -old boy, to think of me as a child going
• 1:04:53
  through that, you can only imagine how angry
• 1:04:55
  I got with God about that. That was reality for
• 1:04:58
  me. I was very angry. So, you knew about this?
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  You mean to tell me that with all of your power
• 1:05:03
  that you could have protected me yet you didn't?
• 1:05:06
  See, these are the things that Job is thinking
• 1:05:08
  even in his own life. That's what Job's getting
• 1:05:12
  to. Whenever Job says, I have a right to stand
• 1:05:15
  before you now and plead my case because I have
• 1:05:18
  done nothing. Well, as a five -year -old boy,
• 1:05:21
  what did I do to deserve that? Do I have a right
• 1:05:25
  to stand before God and to ask those questions?
• 1:05:27
  Well, I don't have to. And the reason why I don't
• 1:05:30
  have to is because I have the Son of God who
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  stands in my stead Absolutely. Now these things
• 1:05:36
  happen for a purpose But what I discovered is
• 1:05:39
  that in my relationship to God is that I loved
• 1:05:41
  God I love him and because of that love and because
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  he is allowing me to understand him more. I'm
• 1:05:48
  beginning to understand Reality more. Yes, this
• 1:05:52
  is not an easy and the reality then the reality
• 1:05:55
  Rick is the spirit Right. That's the reality
• 1:05:58
  That's correct. Now, if you fast forward to today,
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  I'm 50 years old, 45 years removed from it. And
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  yes, I've matured and I've had plenty of counseling
• 1:06:08
  from secular and Christian counselors. I've had
• 1:06:11
  plenty of reading and understanding, but what
• 1:06:12
  I've come to understand is that nothing escapes
• 1:06:15
  God's view. Nothing escapes his power. He knew
• 1:06:18
  it before it happened, Rick. Long before it did.
• 1:06:21
  And I was angry with him for a long period of
• 1:06:23
  time, but I'm not anymore. I'm not anymore. But
• 1:06:27
  I also know that a lot of the things that I've
• 1:06:30
  been brought through that I've gained wisdom
• 1:06:32
  I've grown in it and now I'm being able to speak
• 1:06:35
  to others in regard to who God actually is This
• 1:06:39
  is the role of a priest. We have to be able to
• 1:06:42
  endure and understand Sometimes people don't
• 1:06:45
  ever go through these kinds of things and I don't
• 1:06:48
  know that they can actually counsel others perfectly
• 1:06:50
  But I think that they do a good job. They try
• 1:06:53
  but those who have been through it a lot of times
• 1:06:55
  they can relate but this is why we have a great
• 1:06:58
  high priest because he has suffered and so it's
• 1:07:02
  hard to even say well hang on i mean jesus you
• 1:07:03
  didn't do any at all so i mean how can you know
• 1:07:06
  he says i suffered i know yes it may not be the
• 1:07:10
  same suffering as you but i understand what suffering
• 1:07:12
  is i understand what pain is i understand what
• 1:07:14
  hurt is i understand what rejection is yes all
• 1:07:17
  of those things by the way Very few things are
• 1:07:20
  spoken about Jesus' childhood. If he was tempted
• 1:07:24
  in every way or he was abused in every way, we
• 1:07:26
  don't know what those things were in his childhood.
• 1:07:29
  The Bible doesn't say it, but we do know that
• 1:07:31
  the world was full of good and evil when he was
• 1:07:33
  born into it. We know that he had a purpose for
• 1:07:35
  it. We also know the way that his family was
• 1:07:38
  treated by others. We also know what he went
• 1:07:42
  through as a person who was perfectly innocent.
• 1:07:44
  We know that, right? And yet the thing is, once
• 1:07:47
  again, Rick, no matter what you did, you know,
• 1:07:50
  like you said, forgive them father, they don't
• 1:07:51
  know what they're doing. Yes. And that said,
• 1:07:53
  you know, have we in our, in our great compassion
• 1:07:57
  through these wicked, hideous, horrible things
• 1:07:59
  that we've gone through, like you have, have
• 1:08:01
  we understood what compassion can we actually
• 1:08:03
  say, forgive them Lord, because they obviously
• 1:08:06
  didn't know what they were doing. They knew what
• 1:08:08
  they were doing physically, you know, but in
• 1:08:10
  the grand scheme of things, they didn't get what
• 1:08:12
  they were doing. You know, you just pray that
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  one day God wakes them up and they ask for forgiveness,
• 1:08:17
  you know, whether it's something new or for God.
• 1:08:20
  Like I think Alan's, like the Tracy said, when
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  he said that he'd gone round and asked people
• 1:08:26
  for forgiveness, some people accepted it and
• 1:08:28
  some people didn't. And he said, well, I've learned
• 1:08:30
  to live with that. That's their choice. And I
• 1:08:32
  just think that that is the mark of somebody
• 1:08:34
  who really understands what forgiveness is because
• 1:08:36
  he can even forgive those that don't even forgive
• 1:08:38
  him. That's correct. Absolutely. Yeah. The other
• 1:08:42
  side of the coin here that I wanted to bring
• 1:08:44
  up because this is tough. I just want you guys
• 1:08:46
  to understand. So because I was five and because
• 1:08:49
  that happened to me, what happens psychologically
• 1:08:53
  and physiologically to a child is that it actually
• 1:08:56
  opens up their sexuality and it becomes for a
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  child to then suddenly have these thoughts of
• 1:09:03
  this physical sexuality, lusts, things that start
• 1:09:07
  to appear even though you're too young to really
• 1:09:10
  know. It starts to have an effect on the mind
• 1:09:13
  and what's going on is what i've been describing
• 1:09:15
  is what the good and evil Effect of our flesh
• 1:09:17
  is the things that lust this immorality that
• 1:09:20
  starts to bubble up inside you That these are
• 1:09:23
  things that you begin to wrestle with and you
• 1:09:25
  don't even know where they're coming from, right?
• 1:09:27
  So in order to have a relationship with god,
• 1:09:30
  I was wondering does he even know what it's like
• 1:09:33
  down here? Job just said that he does Do you
• 1:09:37
  understand? Job says God does know that area.
• 1:09:41
  He does know how to get down below it because
• 1:09:44
  Christ actually got down below it and brought
• 1:09:45
  us up. But that's the point. Is it so if you
• 1:09:48
  hear who are listening to me, you have things
• 1:09:50
  internally you're struggling with and you're
• 1:09:51
  wondering, does God really know? And of course
• 1:09:53
  he does. But really think about it in regard
• 1:09:55
  to yourself. How much does God know? He knows
• 1:09:58
  it all and he loves you and he comes to you even
• 1:10:02
  in that space because he knows that he can be
• 1:10:04
  there with you Bring it out to him. Talk to him
• 1:10:07
  openly. Tell god the truth Tell him the truth
• 1:10:10
  about what you're thinking and feeling and all
• 1:10:13
  of these things I promise you he can handle it
• 1:10:15
  100 and I think sometimes that we've got to just
• 1:10:18
  turn around and say, you know It's hard to actually
• 1:10:20
  even speak the words to god, you know to act
• 1:10:23
  you can think it in your head But to actually
• 1:10:25
  turn to him said I did this lord I behave like
• 1:10:29
  that, Lord. I did commit those atrocities to
• 1:10:33
  a five -year -old child. I did sexually abuse
• 1:10:35
  that boy. I have looked at pornography, Lord,
• 1:10:38
  and I still have a problem with that. Sometimes
• 1:10:40
  it's shame and filth. It's a bit like that man
• 1:10:45
  who stood there next to the Pharisee and he couldn't
• 1:10:49
  even look up. He was like, oh my gosh, I cannot
• 1:10:51
  even bring myself to look you in the eye simply
• 1:10:55
  because I'm just so filthy. I'm so filthy, but
• 1:10:58
  the blood knows that you are and that's the point
• 1:11:00
  of Christ coming because I can wash you clean.
• 1:11:04
  I know these things. You can come to me and say
• 1:11:06
  these things. You can feel guilty, but I will
• 1:11:09
  take that guilt away because my brilliance, my
• 1:11:12
  pure light will wash it away from you. My blood
• 1:11:15
  does all of this and this is the thing and I
• 1:11:18
  think that's what people need to know. They need
• 1:11:20
  to be settled with it in themselves and admit
• 1:11:23
  those things to themselves because that's a hard
• 1:11:25
  thing. to turn around and say those things to
• 1:11:27
  yourself. You know the concept. That's right.
• 1:11:31
  But to turn around and say, I was abused when
• 1:11:34
  I was five and that person did that to me and
• 1:11:37
  face it on. It's eye to eye. And that, I think,
• 1:11:41
  is sometimes very hard for people to do. But
• 1:11:45
  do it. You may cry. You may feel shame. You may
• 1:11:49
  feel guilt. You may feel dirty. You may feel
• 1:11:51
  filthy. But at the end of the day, you know that
• 1:11:53
  Christ can just wash anything away from you.
• 1:11:55
  And he will make you pure as the driven snow,
• 1:11:58
  like we're talking about solar worm. Yes. You
• 1:12:00
  will be washed in his blood, but you will be
• 1:12:03
  cleaned and you will be as pure as the driven
• 1:12:04
  snow. These were things that happened to you.
• 1:12:07
  They are not you. Right. And what you are is
• 1:12:11
  a child of God. Yes. And you said something a
• 1:12:13
  minute ago. All right. So I'm going to take it
• 1:12:16
  a little bit deeper and then we're going to close.
• 1:12:18
  I'm going to leave you in this tension. I'm going
• 1:12:20
  to leave you in the tension with this, OK? So
• 1:12:24
  because that had happened to me and as I grew
• 1:12:26
  eventually yes God got me to the point where
• 1:12:28
  I could forgive this person and I did and I have
• 1:12:31
  I've forgiven him But I was so I was always very
• 1:12:35
  concerned You know that I would become like him
• 1:12:39
  because of all these sexual twisted things that
• 1:12:41
  were going on in my mind That I was struggling
• 1:12:43
  with. Okay, so I never Crossed that line. I never
• 1:12:48
  never did I never I don't have pedophilia as
• 1:12:51
  a problem. It's not a problem for me because
• 1:12:54
  I was so appalled at the behavior towards me
• 1:12:56
  that it kept me from it. It didn't stop me from
• 1:12:58
  looking at women and looking at other things
• 1:13:00
  in my life. Like that definitely happened. But
• 1:13:02
  here's my point. I was able to forgive this abuser,
• 1:13:06
  but then I started thinking about other people
• 1:13:08
  who were abusers, like you said earlier, these
• 1:13:11
  other people who were abusers and the shame.
• 1:13:13
  I always remember Jesus saying, you know, it's
• 1:13:15
  better than a millstone be put around the neck
• 1:13:17
  and somebody that offends one of these little
• 1:13:18
  children. Yeah, I have a tendency to agree with
• 1:13:21
  Jesus. Yeah, that's a that's a big one But even
• 1:13:24
  then those people who do that can they be forgiven
• 1:13:26
  and the answer is yes they can But they've got
• 1:13:30
  to really be honest. They've got to be completely
• 1:13:33
  honest They have to accept the consequences of
• 1:13:36
  their actions and live in it I told that woman
• 1:13:40
  that was confessing to me. You've got to confess
• 1:13:42
  this before the Lord and you've got to be responsible
• 1:13:44
  for your actions Exactly. And that's the thing,
• 1:13:48
  you know, when you look back, God forgives everything.
• 1:13:51
  But sadly, there are always consequences, like
• 1:13:53
  God forgave David. But he said from now on, trouble
• 1:13:56
  will not depart from your house. That's it. He
• 1:13:59
  had to live with those consequences. You know,
• 1:14:00
  we live with the consequences, but God is there
• 1:14:02
  even within the realms of the consequences that
• 1:14:04
  we got to live through. He's just a support.
• 1:14:09
  He's going to be compassionate and kind in those
• 1:14:11
  dark moments. And that's the thing. He doesn't
• 1:14:13
  take it all away. He supports you through it.
• 1:14:16
  So there's a learning process. And it's all about
• 1:14:18
  compassion. It's all about having this empathetic
• 1:14:21
  love that can reach out to people and say, I've
• 1:14:24
  been there. I've done that. I've experienced
• 1:14:26
  that. But you know what? There's a God in heaven
• 1:14:28
  that can really, we say these words, wash away
• 1:14:31
  and take away, but actually he does. The more
• 1:14:33
  you put it into effect, it just dissipates and
• 1:14:37
  disappears. It's like a mist. all of a sudden
• 1:14:39
  it's clear. And you think, well, where's that
• 1:14:40
  gone? Well, that person's dead. It doesn't exist
• 1:14:43
  anymore. They've gone. You know, I can remember
• 1:14:45
  those things happened to me in my teenage life.
• 1:14:47
  And I used to think, you know, when I was about
• 1:14:49
  34, I used to look back and I used to cry until
• 1:14:52
  eventually I realized what I had to do was to
• 1:14:55
  go back to this little girl in her, you know,
• 1:14:57
  early teens. And I had to go and cuddle her.
• 1:15:00
  And I went back to me and I said to me, do you
• 1:15:03
  know what, darling, you're okay. It's worked
• 1:15:06
  out really well, you know, you through what you've
• 1:15:09
  gone through, you can be a support to other people.
• 1:15:12
  This is an experience that you've had that's
• 1:15:14
  going to benefit so many people. And eventually
• 1:15:16
  that girl disappeared and she's now incorporated
• 1:15:20
  into me and she doesn't exist. This sad girl
• 1:15:22
  that was broken. She doesn't exist. Yeah, I did
• 1:15:27
  the same I did the same I had to go back to my
• 1:15:30
  five -year -old self and I had to tell myself
• 1:15:31
  I had to tell I had to go back there I had to
• 1:15:33
  protect him I had to go back and protect yes
• 1:15:35
  and show him this is where this is where you're
• 1:15:38
  heading. It's okay exactly close out and Yeah,
• 1:15:42
  that's beautiful. To close out Job 26, I'm just
• 1:15:45
  going to read the first few verses in the ESV
• 1:15:47
  of 27 to let you know where we're going. So go
• 1:15:49
  ahead and read 27 again, because he's opening
• 1:15:52
  up his discourse. I told you. Do you want me
• 1:15:54
  to read the whole lot? No, no, no. No, I'm just
• 1:15:56
  I'm going to open it up myself in the ESV. You're
• 1:15:58
  going to read it next week. And I want you to
• 1:16:00
  understand that Job's going to bring what he
• 1:16:02
  considers to be true wisdom in Chapter 28. So
• 1:16:04
  in verse in Chapter 27, verse one, he says, and
• 1:16:06
  Job again took up his discourse and said, as
• 1:16:09
  God lives, Who has taken away my right That's
• 1:16:13
  interesting and the almighty who has made my
• 1:16:16
  soul bitter. He's not letting god off the hook
• 1:16:18
  As long as my breath is in me and the spirit
• 1:16:21
  of god is in my nostrils My lips will not speak
• 1:16:25
  false falsehood and my tongue will not utter
• 1:16:27
  deceit Oh, he just did but what he just did far
• 1:16:32
  be it for me to say that you are Right. In other
• 1:16:38
  words now job Is focusing on the three friends
• 1:16:42
  he's answering lfas now. Whenever lfas tries
• 1:16:47
  to tell him you've done this. You've done he
• 1:16:51
  falsely accuses now is gonna try to say as long
• 1:16:54
  as i've got breath in my body as long as the
• 1:16:56
  spirit. of God is in me. I will never tell you
• 1:16:58
  that you're right because it's not true. I'm
• 1:17:00
  not going to make a false accusation even of
• 1:17:02
  myself just to make this better. I'm going to
• 1:17:04
  stand in the truth and I'm going to face you
• 1:17:06
  down and I'm going to bring this before God.
• 1:17:08
  I'm not going to stop. That's what Job's doing.
• 1:17:11
  Yeah, but don't you find it? I just see irony
• 1:17:14
  there. You know, it says, my lips will not speak
• 1:17:17
  unrighteousness or my tongue utter deceit. Well,
• 1:17:20
  actually, you said, why has God denied me justice?
• 1:17:23
  And who deals with me so bitterly? Well, you
• 1:17:25
  just have. Well, the thing is, he has. But at
• 1:17:29
  the same time, he has it because he hasn't gotten
• 1:17:31
  to the end to know it yet. Exactly. But he's
• 1:17:34
  spoken it, but he doesn't know it. Right. You're
• 1:17:36
  right. You know, it's just irony, isn't it? You
• 1:17:39
  know, you deny me justice. You know, it says
• 1:17:42
  that, you know, my lips don't say anything. I'm
• 1:17:44
  righteous. Well, you just did. You blamed it
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  on God. That's right. Interesting. You know.
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  Well, let's leave it there. It is. Let's leave
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  it there. We ended on 27 a little bit. You see
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  where we're heading. So guys read 27 and 28.
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  That's as far as we're going to get if we even
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  get through all of that next week, but we're
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  going to go through Job's long series of these
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  chapters or where he's doing this response before
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  the young man Elihu burns with anger and decides
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  to speak up. Right. And he says some really amazing
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  things. Yeah. He's the young buck. He's younger
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  than Zophar evidently. He comes in ready to,
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  but, and we didn't even know he was there. So
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  how did that happen? We'll get into that in a
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  little bit. When did he come along? Why did this
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  young man show up out of nowhere? How did that
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  happen? That's a very interesting thought, isn't
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  it? It is, yeah. All right. So let's leave that.
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  All right. So guys, keep bringing your questions,
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  comments. Thanks everybody for what you said
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  so far. We really appreciate it. Thanks for being
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  with us. Elaine, I hope you have a wonderful
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  and marvelous day and God bless you. Thank you
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  too. God bless you. God bless you. And everybody
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  out there, see you next week. Yes. Y 'all come
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  back now, you hear? Yeah. Oh, no, I do it better
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  than you and your. Let's hear it. Let's hear
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  it. Y 'all come back. Now you hear. I mean, it
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  rolls off your lips like molasses. It does. It's
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  right. It's right. Sweet and nice. All right.
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  We'll see you guys. Bye, y 'all. Ta ta. Ta ta
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  for now. Adopt of the cat, my lady. Adopt of
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  the cat.