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Syria Podcast Episode 9: Christian Zionism, AI Targeting, and the War on Iran · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode nine of the Syria Podcast.
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Speaker 1: I am delighted to be joined once again by Vanessa Billy.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program, Vanessa, Thank you Mike.
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Speaker 2: Always good to be back on talking to you. Although
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Speaker 2: I wish we could one day talk about something that
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Speaker 2: isn't war.
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Speaker 1: Related, Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon. But
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Speaker 1: you are obviously in Lebanon, living at Lebanon. At the moment,
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Speaker 1: Lebanon significantly under pressure from Israel. Just bring us up
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Speaker 1: to date on what's going on from Syria. Is are
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Speaker 1: the Jilani forces that have been on the eastern border
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Speaker 1: of Lebanon, staying on the Syrian side.
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Speaker 2: Until now. There have been various incursions by the tech theories.
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Speaker 2: Of course people might not necessarily under stand that term,
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Speaker 2: but basically alkaed or isis even though of course they've
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Speaker 2: been rebranded multiple times since twenty eleven and before. There
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Speaker 2: were various incursions back in twenty twenty four and twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty five, but which were largely repulsed by the tribal
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Speaker 2: factions that live basically along that eastern border with Syria.
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Speaker 2: But last night we had what was a major incursion
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Speaker 2: in the Bekar Valley. We were messaging each other last night,
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Speaker 2: we have a group chat here, and basically we heard
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Speaker 2: quite a few Israeli jets passing overhead at very low altitude,
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Speaker 2: which of course is quite unusual. And it turns out
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Speaker 2: that there are a couple of slightly different accounts of
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Speaker 2: what happened, but I think the most recent one is
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Speaker 2: that Zionist helicopters basically flew in from Syrian territory and
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Speaker 2: they dropped special forces which are being claimed were wearing
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Speaker 2: Lebanese Army Forces uniforms, obviously to disguise them on the ground,
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Speaker 2: in order to lead a ground incursion into one of
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Speaker 2: the villagers in the Becar, one which actually they've been
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Speaker 2: targeting intensively for the last two or three days, and
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Speaker 2: of course in the process murdering civilians and entire families.
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Speaker 2: And basically they were ambushed by Hasbala fighters and there
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Speaker 2: was intense firefighting between the two factions, the Zionist special
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Speaker 2: forces and Hosbula, and at which point they sent in
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Speaker 2: the the fighter jets to effectively come to the aid
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Speaker 2: of the Zonus forces and to create what they call
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Speaker 2: a fire belt to enable them to escape. Now, one
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Speaker 2: wonders where they would have escaped to, and of course
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Speaker 2: the only way that they can go is back into Syria.
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Speaker 2: So my assumption is that they did that because until
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Speaker 2: now they haven't been found. Hesbula managed because the jets
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Speaker 2: were flying at very low altitude, they could use basically
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Speaker 2: the fairly rudimentary manpads. They had a surface to air
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Speaker 2: and they managed to push the planes back, which is
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Speaker 2: quite extraordinary really, and so basically it was not successful,
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Speaker 2: and obviously it had been expected, so Hesbella's intelligence had
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Speaker 2: pre informed them that this was happening and that's why
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Speaker 2: the ambush was sat. But clearly Jolani is quite I
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Speaker 2: mean bill to the Zionis using Saria as a launch
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Speaker 2: pad against Iran, but also as a launch pad for
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Speaker 2: the Zionist yeah to attack Lebanon and then to provide
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Speaker 2: an escape route.
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Speaker 1: Now, of course it's all followed warnings, so we put
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Speaker 1: in inverted commas from Israel to the south of Lebanon
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Speaker 1: and then to the south of Beirut and then to
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Speaker 1: the Becka Valley itself. And of course this has caused
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Speaker 1: lots of people to move and some of the comments
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Speaker 1: coming out of Israel about you know, effectively removing villages
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Speaker 1: from from the south of Lebanon. I mean, we're getting
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Speaker 1: to the point where ordinary people should be at the
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Speaker 1: very least outraged by what Israel is doing, no matter
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Speaker 1: what people think about the Israel Palestine issue historically, the
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Speaker 1: fact that they are expanding this into other countries at
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Speaker 1: the moment, never mind what they're doing in Iran. At
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Speaker 1: some point people have got to recognize what it is
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Speaker 1: they're witnessing here.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean, it's total violent expansion. And of course,
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Speaker 2: you know, most people I think now are pretty informed
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Speaker 2: about greater Israel. I mean, I do have to say
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Speaker 2: that those maps, of course were drawn up some time ago,
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Speaker 2: and perhaps they're not entirely relevant now. There might be
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Speaker 2: further expansion or slightly less expansion, depending on regional interests
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Speaker 2: at the moment. But in the south of Lebanon, Israel
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Speaker 2: has always been very clear and throughout history, of course
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Speaker 2: it's tried to secure the territory south of the Latani River.
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Speaker 2: But then also of course, in historically they tried to
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Speaker 2: go as far as Beirute before they were effectively repelled
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Speaker 2: by Hesbola in the two thousands. And now, of course
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Speaker 2: what they're trying to do is to having evacuated, although
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Speaker 2: I will say that many people have refused to evacuate
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Speaker 2: from the south and they're remaining in the villages and
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Speaker 2: towns there because where do they go, Mike, I mean,
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four posts October, the seventh has Bla
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Speaker 2: came in as a support front for the resistance in Gaza,
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Speaker 2: and during that time, of course, the south was heavily bombarded.
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Speaker 2: People were driven out of their homes as they were
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Speaker 2: from the dahe southern suburbs of Beirut city itself, and
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Speaker 2: they were staying in you know, whether it's schools or
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Speaker 2: deserted stadiums or warehouses and so on. That's where they
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Speaker 2: were living for the duration of the intensity of the war.
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Speaker 2: And then they returned, but they were returned to catastrophic devastation.
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Speaker 2: So they've been trying to rebuild. Now it's getting destroyed again,
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Speaker 2: and of course the West, Saudi Arabia and Israel have
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Speaker 2: ensured that funding for reconstruction has been curtailed. Right, So
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Speaker 2: the period between twenty twenty four and now, very little
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Speaker 2: reconstruction has been done and now it's being destroyed again.
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Speaker 2: And yes, we do have tens of thousands of people
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Speaker 2: now coming into other areas of Lebanon, and of course
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Speaker 2: Lebanon is a very small country to be honest, there
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Speaker 2: are limited areas that these people can go to, and
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Speaker 2: it's struggling to be able to basically provide for these
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Speaker 2: people in any serious way.
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Speaker 1: It's still having to deal with the refugees. It came
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Speaker 1: from Syria. Yes, at the time of the regime change.
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Speaker 2: Yes, although I think we're now up to around four
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand to have actually been sent back to Syria,
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Speaker 2: and I think I've talked about this on UK column.
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Speaker 2: The fact is that while not all of those Syrians
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Speaker 2: are going to be aligned with Jolani and al Qaeda
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Speaker 2: and ISIS, but many of them were because, of course,
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Speaker 2: many of them fled to Lebanon when has are in
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Speaker 2: the Syrian Arabami secured the borders between Syria and Lebanon,
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Speaker 2: and in fact, in twenty sixteen, when much of that
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Speaker 2: border area was liberated, the refugees coming in carried out
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Speaker 2: suicide bomber attacks at some of the Christian community, example
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Speaker 2: in the northeast of Lebanon. So that's evidence for me
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Speaker 2: that many of them are aligned with Joe Lani and
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Speaker 2: the fact that they're heading back. Of course, what does
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Speaker 2: that do. That increases the number of extremists that are
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Speaker 2: now inside Syria, and that combined with the release of ISIS,
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Speaker 2: which was engineered by President Trump and well Mi six
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Speaker 2: and CIA basically to further increase the Tach fury forces
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Speaker 2: inside Syria to use against possibly Lubanon and Iraq.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you know, you're describing tach theory forces
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Speaker 1: and extremism. Since we have real this term extremism, maybe
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Speaker 1: we should just move on to the topic of the
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Speaker 1: extremism that's coming from the Western side at the moment,
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Speaker 1: because obviously what's going on in Lebanon at the moment
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Speaker 1: is part of the regional conflict, which is focused mainly
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Speaker 1: on Iran. But what's clear is that the United States
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Speaker 1: and the actions that it has taken are based on
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Speaker 1: a form of Christian extremism that we really have not
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Speaker 1: seen before.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think you showed the laying on of
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Speaker 2: hands on Trump. Yes, and you know, I think what
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Speaker 2: we're saying now come to the foe very much. And
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Speaker 2: we've also talked about this entire concept that of course
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Speaker 2: is originating from the Jewish Linus and the Christian zionis.
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Speaker 2: The Christian Zionus of course, outnumber of the Jewish Linus
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Speaker 2: by about ten to one as far as I remember.
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Speaker 2: Is this idea that it is necessary to light the
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Speaker 2: fires of armageddon in Iran in order to bring about
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Speaker 2: the coming of the Messiah. The Messiah, of course, is
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Speaker 2: in Judaism described as the Messiah. In Christianity, true Christianity,
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Speaker 2: it's the second coming of Jesus Christ. So then again
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Speaker 2: that shows very much how Christian Zionism is aligned more
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Speaker 2: with let's say, Zionism than with Christianity. So that is
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Speaker 2: the religious fanatic side. And honestly, what we're seeing coming
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Speaker 2: out of the White House right now is sort of
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Speaker 2: on one hand, it's slightly comical, but on the other hand,
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Speaker 2: it demonstrates the point that we've arrived at right now.
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Speaker 2: We're literally religious fanatics, as you said, at extremists are
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Speaker 2: leading US foreign policy.
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Speaker 1: And well, they're leading US foreign policy, but the idea
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Speaker 1: that they're leading foreign policy makes it signed quite quite
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Speaker 1: gentle in a sense, it's just a policy. But actually
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Speaker 1: what we're seeing is the deployment of a trillion plus
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Speaker 1: dollar a year budgeted fighting force to pursue an ideology
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Speaker 1: that ninety nine percent of people do not subscribe to. Well.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and of course there have been recently reported complaints
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Speaker 2: I think one hundred and ten complaints, but I would
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Speaker 2: guess there's probably more than that. But like the recording
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Speaker 2: of the verse vaccine injury, I would suggest that there
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Speaker 2: are a lot more people that are feeling within the
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Speaker 2: US military that are feeling extremely uncomfortable with the messaging
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Speaker 2: that is being put out not only by Pete Hegseth,
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Speaker 2: the Minister of War, but also by commanders within units
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Speaker 2: across the entire military sectors and branches, and your eye
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Speaker 2: I mean this is I think there's a war on
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Speaker 2: two levels. There's the war for dominance and supremacy over
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Speaker 2: economic trade routes, maritime trade routes, resources, including water, which
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Speaker 2: I think is becoming more and more important. The fact
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Speaker 2: that the Gulf States are entirely reliant upon desalination. They
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Speaker 2: don't have any water. So if those desalination plants are
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Speaker 2: damaged in anyway, what do they do? That's almost more
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Speaker 2: important than Katar turning off its LNG production, right, and
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Speaker 2: very similar to what Israel has done in Gaza, which
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Speaker 2: is effectively to bomb the desalination plants, there after of
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Speaker 2: course stealing Palestinian water, cutting off supplied to Gaza entirely
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Speaker 2: of fresh water, and then effectively denying them of the
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Speaker 2: ability to desalinate water, which by the way, is also
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Speaker 2: deliberately polluted by the Israelis off the coast of Gayza.
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Speaker 2: So I think that's one layer of the war. I
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Speaker 2: think the other layer is this creation of a global
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Speaker 2: interfaith war because the murder of Imam Ali or Ayetola
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Speaker 2: Hmane is effectively, as many people have pointed out, it's
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Speaker 2: the equivalent to assassinating the pope in the sense that
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Speaker 2: there are I think around two hundred and sixty million
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Speaker 2: Shia Muslims globally and across all continents, including Africa of course,
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Speaker 2: that are now basically rising up in protest, and very
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Speaker 2: much so in India. We're seeing brutal crackdowns on Muslim
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Speaker 2: protests there over the killing of Imma Mali, but also
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Speaker 2: in the Gulf States we've seen mass protests in Bahrain
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Speaker 2: again being brutally put down. But countries like Azerbaijan that
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Speaker 2: are majority Shia Muslim to what extent is there go
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Speaker 2: are there going to be problems there of destabilization. So
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Speaker 2: I think you've got a war on those two layers.
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Speaker 2: That's how I tend to see it.
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Speaker 1: For those who don't understand the Islamic world.
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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on no, I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: But but just in general terms, the Islamic extreme extremism
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Speaker 1: that we have seen over the years, is it exclusively sunny?
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Speaker 2: I think it's dangerous to say that it's sunny Muslim Wahabism,
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Speaker 2: which is one branch of Sunni Islam. And of course
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Speaker 2: the British allowed Wahabism to take dominance in Saudi.
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Speaker 1: Arabia, I would use the word encouraged.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, they facilitated it because effectively, for the British,
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Speaker 2: the Gulf States were to be a protectorate of, or
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Speaker 2: rather sorry, a front line of protection and apologism for
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Speaker 2: the Zionist identity, which of course the British also helped
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Speaker 2: create along with the rothschild And of course the Rothschilds
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Speaker 2: are named twelve thousand times in the Epstein France. And
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Speaker 2: so therefore, when the British facilitated the takeover of Wahabism
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Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia and effectively eradicated the power in the
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Speaker 2: west of Saudi Arabia that was far more moderate Sunni
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Speaker 2: Muslim and also refused to abandon Palestinian rights and the
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Speaker 2: Palestinian cause, and so therefore they were swamped by the
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Speaker 2: Wahabi doctrine under the House of Saud, and that is
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Speaker 2: a particularly fanatical, violent branch of Sunni Islam, but that
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Speaker 2: is not practiced by many of the Sunni Muslims globally,
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Speaker 2: and particularly previously in Syria. The majority of Sunni Muslims
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Speaker 2: there were moderate, if you want to use that term.
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Speaker 2: I actually hate using that term. It's a Western term
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Speaker 2: and it's been badly misused in for example, claiming that
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Speaker 2: the tech Fury forces that finally overthrew the Syrian government
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Speaker 2: were moderate rebels if you remember. But many of the
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Speaker 2: Sunni Muslims in Syria are facing ethnic cleansing, resettlement, theft
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Speaker 2: of their homes by Jolanese forces, just as the Christians,
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Speaker 2: the Alawites, the Jurus, are the Ismaili and other minorities
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Speaker 2: in Syria. I think people do need to understand that
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Speaker 2: there is a difference between the more conservative Sunni Muslims
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Speaker 2: and the tech firi forces and even takfia. By the way,
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Speaker 2: within Islamic jurisprudence is just a term, but they've adopted
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Speaker 2: it and then distorted it to mean basically that anyone
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Speaker 2: it doesn't comply with their version of Islam is to
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Speaker 2: be considered an infidel and can be killed, can be
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Speaker 2: eradicated for a non compliance. Basically. Now that isn't within
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Speaker 2: Sunni Muslim jurisprudence teachings. Just to be very clear.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I think the reason I
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Speaker 1: object to the word moderate being used in this case
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Speaker 1: is because it implies a minority. Yeah, it implies that
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Speaker 1: that moderate Muslims are a minority. And it's like saying
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Speaker 1: that you compare the Christian population of Britain or the
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Speaker 1: United States with the Christian Zionist population of Britain or
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Speaker 1: the United States and suggesting that the Church of England
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Speaker 1: or even the Roman Catholic Church is moderate Christianity, while
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Speaker 1: while you know it implies it implies that that there's
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Speaker 1: a bigger problem of extremism with a group than there is.
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Speaker 1: But what we've got to always recognize is the problem
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Speaker 1: comes whenever you support extremism by giving it money and
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Speaker 1: weapons on one hand, or you put extremists into positions
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Speaker 1: of authority which effectively gives them access to armies. That
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Speaker 1: becomes a bit problematic as well well.
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Speaker 2: And also you've got to remember, I mean again I've
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Speaker 2: written about this very recently for UK column is that
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Speaker 2: not only was the British government funding the ISIS holding
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Speaker 2: camps in areas of northeast Syria, they were also according
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Speaker 2: to a recent report by Kit Clarenberg, they were also
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Speaker 2: through an NNGO, they were effectively radicalizing the children inside
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Speaker 2: those camps for the last what is it ten years,
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Speaker 2: And it's also I think people also need to understand,
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Speaker 2: for example, in Syria, when the terrorist forces, as you said,
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Speaker 2: both radicalized externally and then radicalized inside Syria and across
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Speaker 2: the region by the West, including the British regime, when
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Speaker 2: those forces occupied the suburbs of cities in Syria, whether
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Speaker 2: it was Damascus, whether it was Alappo homes, doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: That occupation lasted around five years, so children who were
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Speaker 2: around ten years old when they took control over those
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Speaker 2: suburbs and forced the children out of secular education into
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Speaker 2: religious education. And I remember being in Eastern and LUPA
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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, and we were finding cartons and cartons,
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Speaker 2: I mean, lorry loads of literature coming in from Saudi Arabia.
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Speaker 2: I mean it was clear because it was all printed
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Speaker 2: with the Saudi Arabian logo on it and so on.
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Speaker 2: So in other words, those children were for those five years,
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Speaker 2: from the age of ten to fifteen sixteen, were being radicalized.
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Speaker 2: And that doesn't leave you very easily. I remember interviewing
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Speaker 2: children who at the time were ten to eleven, and
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Speaker 2: they were talking to me quite happily about the fact
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Speaker 2: that they had seen crucifixions, they'd seen torture, they'd seen executions, beheadings.
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Speaker 2: You know, when you traumatize children to this extent and
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Speaker 2: then you educate them with this kind of radicalization, they're
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Speaker 2: very malleable at that age, and they're traumatized, right, And
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Speaker 2: some of them were on drugs. The tach theories also
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Speaker 2: brought drugs in deliberately, and of course that also has
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Speaker 2: left lasting issues for these people to deal with, and
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Speaker 2: a lack of education obviously continues now because those teenagers
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Speaker 2: now probably eighteen nineteen, twenty years old, are then being
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Speaker 2: further radicalized by the taking of power by Joelani and
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Speaker 2: Al Kaeda in Isis and of course enabled by am
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Speaker 2: I six that both groomed Joelanni and are now coaching
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Speaker 2: him in how to manage the situation in the region.
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Speaker 1: So getting back to the original point, then, the reason
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Speaker 1: I asked our question was because because you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: not aware of any major incidents which have been categorized
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Speaker 1: as you know, Islamic terrorism that has that have been
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Speaker 1: carried out by people that are would call themselves share
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Speaker 1: Muslim am. I is that wrong?
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Speaker 2: No, it's not wrong. I mean, of course.
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Speaker 1: So my question then is my question then is has
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Speaker 1: has the assassination of how many changed?
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Speaker 3: That?
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Speaker 1: Is that going to change that?
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Speaker 2: No? I don't think so. Because Iran Shia Islam has
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Speaker 2: at its origin the defense of the oppressed. That is
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Speaker 2: the core ideology that drives Shia Islam. There is actually
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Speaker 2: a very good book by Alistair Crook, who's former British
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Speaker 2: intelligence about the Islamic Revolution and the absolute core principles
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Speaker 2: of Shia Islam, which I do recommend that people read
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Speaker 2: just to understand that ideology. Of course, people are probably
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Speaker 2: going to immediately be saying, oh, but you know, Hezbola
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Speaker 2: attacked the British and x y Z. They have attacked
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Speaker 2: occupation forces, yes, as have Palestinians. There is an excellent
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Speaker 2: article which I can send you. I think it's by
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Speaker 2: Gareth Porter, which basically breaks down all of the claims
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Speaker 2: in the West, particularly the US of terrorist attacks by
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Speaker 2: Hesbalara and Shiah Muslim factions. So basically he debunks every
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Speaker 2: single one of them. So, of course there have been claims,
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Speaker 2: but it's not really in their ideology to and particularly
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Speaker 2: they won't target civilians, Mike. If you look at what
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Speaker 2: is currently happening Israel, of course and the US are
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Speaker 2: deliberately targeting children and civilians and essential infrastructure like hospitals,
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Speaker 2: like medics, like ambulances and so on. That happened in Gaza,
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Speaker 2: It's happened in Lebanon, and of course now it's happening
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Speaker 2: in Iran, and Iraq will come back to Iraq, and
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Speaker 2: Iran has only to date targeted military infrastructure and American
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Speaker 2: bases and American soldiers and of course related intelligence agencies Mossad,
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Speaker 2: CIA and SORN that basically left the bases in the Gulf,
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Speaker 2: for example, and took shelter in hotels. Now they have
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Speaker 2: carried out assassination, targeted assassinations, but they are targeted assassinations.
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Speaker 2: If you actually look at the hotels that have been targeted,
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Speaker 2: they target one apartment. It's not like Israel that to
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Speaker 2: kill someone on the tenth floor, they're going to bring
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Speaker 2: down the whole building. So it's a very different war
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Speaker 2: strategy from Iran compared to the West, and compared to
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Speaker 2: as you said, these extremists that of course are being
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Speaker 2: used as proxies for the West. Let's just talk.
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Speaker 1: About Western extremism for a second, because as you've mentioned there,
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Speaker 1: the United States and Israel have targeted civilian infrastructure in Iran.
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Speaker 1: They have targeted a school. Now, one of the excuses
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Speaker 1: that they seem to be giving for that is well,
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Speaker 1: at some point in the past it was a military
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Speaker 1: installation and that it was more recently a school and
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Speaker 1: they didn't know that. The other big talking point, of
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Speaker 1: course at the moment is the use of AI for targeting,
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Speaker 1: and of course there's a big discussion going on now
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Speaker 1: about whether the school was hit as the result of
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Speaker 1: a targeting decision made by artificial intelligence. And the first
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Speaker 1: question there is is that an attempt to deflect responsibility
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Speaker 1: from this on onto something non human, because in a
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Speaker 1: normal circumstances it would be a human being would have
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Speaker 1: made that decision and would therefore at least theoretically be
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Speaker 1: accountable for it. How much how much are you buying
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Speaker 1: the actual use of AI for the for these decisions
25:37
Speaker 1: or do you feel that this is more an effort
25:40
Speaker 1: by by human beings to cover up war crimes.
25:45
Speaker 2: I think it's a combination of both. I mean, if
25:48
Speaker 2: we look at, you know, the AI systems that were
25:51
Speaker 2: used in Krasa, Yes, I definitely think it's a way
25:55
Speaker 2: of plausible deniability because they can they can blame this
26:00
Speaker 2: and the massacres and the genocide on AI. But ultimately
26:04
Speaker 2: it's a human decision to target the area that AI
26:09
Speaker 2: has given them without verification, right, I mean, forgive me
26:14
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, and or correct me if I'm wrong,
26:16
Speaker 2: But that's how I see it. And yeah, there are
26:19
Speaker 2: reports saying that Claude AI, which is kind of ironic,
26:23
Speaker 2: is apparently and now I can't remember the name of
26:26
Speaker 2: the company that generated claud AI. You, Robert, Yes, that's it,
26:32
Speaker 2: that are apparently saying they don't want their AI to
26:34
Speaker 2: be used for military purposes, but now they're trying to
26:38
Speaker 2: blame Claude AI. That could also be part of the
26:41
Speaker 2: discrediting of the mothership kind of thing. Apparently they flagged
26:46
Speaker 2: the Minap site, which is the school where one hundred
26:50
Speaker 2: and sixty five girls were murdered and I think a
26:54
Speaker 2: hundred more injured, for saying it was part of a
26:58
Speaker 2: nearby IRGC. So you're right, but they were relying on
27:02
Speaker 2: old maps and flawed data, and so of course I
27:07
Speaker 2: guess that could be a kind of a double whammy
27:11
Speaker 2: from the Trump administration to try and sort of not
27:15
Speaker 2: shoulder the blame for the massacre, push it onto claud
27:19
Speaker 2: AI and therefore discredit the company further from not coming
27:22
Speaker 2: on board with allowing the AI to be used for
27:24
Speaker 2: military But yes, I think the use of AI is
27:28
Speaker 2: extremely worrying, and I guess again, I come back to
27:32
Speaker 2: the fact that Gaza is the model or the future
27:35
Speaker 2: model for the West, and so if you think you're
27:39
Speaker 2: going to be free from being targeted by AI whether
27:43
Speaker 2: of course, I don't think we're going to go quite
27:45
Speaker 2: as far as to say it's for assassination right now,
27:47
Speaker 2: but who knows in the future, But certainly they're going
27:50
Speaker 2: to be targeting you, as ICE is using it for
27:54
Speaker 2: in the US to identify supposed illegal immigrants for deportation.
28:00
Speaker 1: The Anthropic did indeed take the position that they were
28:04
Speaker 1: not prepared to allow the Claude to be used for
28:07
Speaker 1: military purposes. They have absolutely reversed that decision now and
28:12
Speaker 1: on top of that, Open AI has done a deal
28:15
Speaker 1: with the Department for war Chat GBT to be connected
28:21
Speaker 1: to these systems. So, you know, we are increasingly seeing
28:26
Speaker 1: you know, this, this type of technology being rolled out.
28:30
Speaker 1: We're not at the point yet of autonomy, but the
28:34
Speaker 1: British the United States have absolutely been experimenting with swarms
28:40
Speaker 1: of you know, autonomous swarms of drones and autonomous swarms
28:44
Speaker 1: of boats for the last decade, so this can't be
28:49
Speaker 1: too far away. But you know, bearing in mind what
28:54
Speaker 1: we see of AI for anybody that's even nearly using
28:59
Speaker 1: it on a day to day basis that it is
29:02
Speaker 1: it is so full of error and and old information
29:08
Speaker 1: and so on that it is not possible in my
29:12
Speaker 1: view to use this in any kind of ethical way
29:18
Speaker 1: for military purposes. And so, you know, this raises a
29:23
Speaker 1: massive discussion point of who is ultimately responsible for decisions
29:27
Speaker 1: that are made using you know, using that technology, and
29:31
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, my view is that
29:34
Speaker 1: that has to remain with whichever commander decided that the
29:37
Speaker 1: button needed to be pressed to say to that technology,
29:42
Speaker 1: to decide on what the targets are. So I don't
29:46
Speaker 1: think there is any there is any get out clause
29:49
Speaker 1: by using this. How do you think Iran is doing
29:53
Speaker 1: at the moment with the conflict?
29:56
Speaker 2: I think, to be honest, I think there's general surprise
30:01
Speaker 2: as to the extent to which they've exceeded expectations in
30:05
Speaker 2: my opinion, even here, and I think the intelligence of
30:10
Speaker 2: their strategy, as I said, the lack of targeting of
30:15
Speaker 2: civilian areas, although I did notice that they have started
30:19
Speaker 2: using what are they pluster munition missiles in Israel. But
30:26
Speaker 2: they did make the point that well, you know, while
30:28
Speaker 2: you're targeting our hospitals, our ambulances, and of course the
30:33
Speaker 2: double tap system where they're targeting somewhere waiting for the
30:38
Speaker 2: ambulances to come and then they're targeting it again again.
30:42
Speaker 2: Of course, that was what they always accused President A.
30:45
Speaker 2: Sad and the serinary barmy of doing, when in reality
30:48
Speaker 2: it's their tactic and it was the tactic of the
30:52
Speaker 2: Jilani iss alcade of forces in Syria throughout the regime
30:56
Speaker 2: change war. And I think those cluss ammunition warheads have
31:03
Speaker 2: a radius of about eight kilometers if I'm remembering correctly
31:08
Speaker 2: from what I saw, so a degree they are starting
31:11
Speaker 2: to respond in kind. I would then also argue that
31:15
Speaker 2: the majority of those in Israel are reservists, So to
31:20
Speaker 2: what degree you can actually say that they are not military.
31:25
Speaker 2: That's a possible point for argumentation. But I think the
31:29
Speaker 2: strategy that they followed, which as we've talked about, is
31:32
Speaker 2: to blind the perimeter in the Gulf States of US
31:39
Speaker 2: radar and early warning capability. That was one of the
31:43
Speaker 2: first steps that they took. Then the closing of the
31:47
Speaker 2: Hall Mooz Straits, which is effectively actually going to impact
31:51
Speaker 2: probably faster on Europe and the UK because of the
31:56
Speaker 2: hiking of energy prices. I mean, I don't know whether
32:00
Speaker 2: you're seeing a direct impact right now, but even here
32:03
Speaker 2: in Lubanon, we're starting to pay more for fuel at
32:07
Speaker 2: the petrol station for sure. I mean it's not a
32:09
Speaker 2: huge amount more, but it's creeping up very rapidly. Katara
32:13
Speaker 2: has effectively shut down their LNG plant. China is halting
32:19
Speaker 2: diesel and petrol exports even though they have three to
32:22
Speaker 2: four months stockpiles, and there is a belief that Chinese
32:27
Speaker 2: ships and Russian ships are being allowed through the Straits
32:32
Speaker 2: of Homos, but at some point Iran has previously threatened
32:37
Speaker 2: to mine the strait, so then we're going to see
32:41
Speaker 2: even less ships getting through. Three thousand ships are apparently
32:46
Speaker 2: kind of bottlenecked in the strait itself without being able
32:50
Speaker 2: to pass, So that's six percent of the global oil
32:53
Speaker 2: tanker fleet, so you know the impact, the economic impact
32:59
Speaker 2: across the region is going to be felt. Then, of
33:02
Speaker 2: course you've got Trump trying to use what appeared to
33:06
Speaker 2: be possibly false flags. There is some confusion over that
33:12
Speaker 2: to bring the Gulf States into the war. They're backbeddling rapidly,
33:18
Speaker 2: to be honest, and I honestly don't think they're going
33:20
Speaker 2: to be pushed into it, And in fact, I think
33:22
Speaker 2: there is more protest at the fact that the US
33:26
Speaker 2: is defending Israel but isn't really doing much to help
33:29
Speaker 2: the Gulf States at all, even through evacuation of American
33:35
Speaker 2: military staff. There are complaints being aired online of people
33:40
Speaker 2: that are not being given any help by the American
33:42
Speaker 2: embassies in the Gulf States, the Arab Gulf States. Then,
33:47
Speaker 2: of course they've also conducted false flags in Turkey and Azerbaijan. Turkey,
33:53
Speaker 2: I think Turkey is a little bit too shrewd to
33:56
Speaker 2: get involved. Azerbaijan, however, Aliyev, who's a total Washington Tel
34:03
Speaker 2: Aviv puppet, is reacting despite Iran having publicly said, we
34:09
Speaker 2: didn't attack you. This is an attempt to bring you
34:12
Speaker 2: into the war. They are dealing with the threat of
34:15
Speaker 2: ground forces, which again Trump has said he will back
34:18
Speaker 2: the Kurdish or he's considering backing the Kurdish separatists, but
34:22
Speaker 2: we probably know that to mean that he's already doing so,
34:25
Speaker 2: as he did and then allegedly betrayed them. But I
34:28
Speaker 2: think that was just another maneuver. So there is a
34:32
Speaker 2: threat on the borders, but that's being dealt with the
34:34
Speaker 2: IRGC and the Iranian forces were already prepared for that,
34:39
Speaker 2: and they are now currently bombing the terror cells, both
34:44
Speaker 2: on the Iraqi side and the Iranian side. And I
34:48
Speaker 2: think what people have to understand. I do think there's
34:52
Speaker 2: a lot of hyperbole over the help that Iran is
34:56
Speaker 2: receiving from Russia and China, and there has been a
35:00
Speaker 2: lot of kind of hysteria from which originated with Washington
35:05
Speaker 2: Post about Russia providing intelligence for the strategic targeting of
35:11
Speaker 2: US military and intelligence and Israeli military intelligence in the
35:14
Speaker 2: Ghost States. But I think that is part of putting
35:19
Speaker 2: pressure on Russia over Ukraine. That's my opinion. Why. Because
35:24
Speaker 2: Iran has access since twenty twenty one to the BEDU,
35:28
Speaker 2: to the Chinese satellite, and so they were given access
35:33
Speaker 2: to the military the normal civilian access satellites can be
35:37
Speaker 2: used by anyone, a bit like GPS, and they made
35:39
Speaker 2: a full transition in twenty twenty five. Now this provides
35:43
Speaker 2: ballistic cruise, missile guidance, drone navigation and targeting secure military comms,
35:49
Speaker 2: but it also gives real time surveillance data, which I
35:52
Speaker 2: think is what they're using. And the BEDU system I
35:55
Speaker 2: looked at up. I checked on it this morning. It's
35:58
Speaker 2: actually considered to be consider superior to the Russian Glonas
36:03
Speaker 2: over Iran, particularly for military use because of the Iranian
36:09
Speaker 2: terrain which is extremely mountainous and so therefore with clonas,
36:13
Speaker 2: I think the signal can be lost quite easily. With
36:16
Speaker 2: the Beto. It functions extremely well, and Iran has not
36:21
Speaker 2: adopted clonas it's basically stuck with the BEDU satellite system.
36:27
Speaker 2: And then you have Mesar Vision, which, by the way,
36:30
Speaker 2: although it's a Chinese company, it's using GPS to produce
36:34
Speaker 2: the satellite images of the destruction done by the Iranian missiles,
36:39
Speaker 2: but the fact is it's publishing them, whereas other companies
36:42
Speaker 2: that come under the kind of Washington Israeli umbrella, of course,
36:46
Speaker 2: are not publishing it because they don't want people to
36:49
Speaker 2: see the damage that Iran is actually doing. So I
36:52
Speaker 2: think those are some quite interesting points to be made.
36:56
Speaker 2: So I think Iran is actually whole hold its own.
37:00
Speaker 2: Considering Mike, it's up against an entire alliance led by
37:04
Speaker 2: two nuclear states, and the US is considered the most
37:09
Speaker 2: powerful military in the world. Of course, we're slightly probably
37:13
Speaker 2: seeing some cracks in that entire facade, but I think
37:18
Speaker 2: when you look at the damage, and again, much of
37:20
Speaker 2: the damage in Israel is not being shown, and of
37:23
Speaker 2: course reporters are being censored or they're being shut down
37:28
Speaker 2: on the ground if they dare to actually film any
37:31
Speaker 2: of the damage that is actually occurring inside Israel, and
37:35
Speaker 2: I think the most serious success for Iran is how
37:39
Speaker 2: they're how many layers is it? I was looking at
37:42
Speaker 2: something this morning. I mean, their missiles have to cross
37:47
Speaker 2: the Gulf States. Okay, they have blinded many of the
37:51
Speaker 2: tracking radar and the early warning detection radar there, but
37:57
Speaker 2: even so, they're then passing territory trees, including Syria, including
38:02
Speaker 2: Iraq where Israeli forces have their ward jets in the air,
38:07
Speaker 2: and they're also using Syrian territory to launch missiles but
38:11
Speaker 2: also probably air defense. And then they've got the seven
38:15
Speaker 2: layers of third Patriot systems arrows slaying. I can't remember
38:21
Speaker 2: all the names, but that I know that there are
38:23
Speaker 2: seven layers that they have to bypass, and they are
38:26
Speaker 2: bypassing it. I mean, I'm seeing many videos where you're
38:29
Speaker 2: not even seeing interceptor missiles being launched. And we know
38:34
Speaker 2: that even in the Twelfth Day War, the reason for
38:37
Speaker 2: the ceasefire largely was that Israel was runningt Israel and
38:40
Speaker 2: the US were running out of interceptor missiles, and stocks
38:44
Speaker 2: in the US are obviously not a well known fact,
38:48
Speaker 2: but they only produce I think it's four hundred of
38:50
Speaker 2: the third and seven hundred of the Patriot missiles per years.
38:54
Speaker 2: So I mean, we can do the maths if they
38:57
Speaker 2: are having to launch huge numbers these interceptor missiles to
39:01
Speaker 2: deal with, and they're not only dealing with the Iranian
39:05
Speaker 2: missiles and now, of course the hypersonic missiles, which absolutely,
39:10
Speaker 2: in my opinion, no air defense is going to manage
39:12
Speaker 2: to bring down or to winter set when you look
39:15
Speaker 2: at the speed they're traveling. But you're also getting heads
39:18
Speaker 2: Bala launching waves of drones and missiles in coordination with Iran,
39:25
Speaker 2: which depletes the air defense batteries completely.
39:30
Speaker 1: This was something that I was going to mention because
39:33
Speaker 1: the news came out on when was it on Friday?
39:37
Speaker 1: Zelenski made a statement saying that the United States had
39:40
Speaker 1: asked Ukraine for assistance and the drones. Yeah, and you
39:45
Speaker 1: know this, this has got to be and this has
39:48
Speaker 1: really got to be an indication of Iran's success and
39:52
Speaker 1: Iran's ally success in dealing with the onslaught from the
39:57
Speaker 1: United States.
39:57
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, of course, I'm I'm certainly not going
40:01
Speaker 2: to downplay the unbelievable damage that is being caused in
40:06
Speaker 2: Tehran and across Iran from the carpet bombing. Really of
40:14
Speaker 2: cities and civilian areas. Again, we're back to this targeting
40:17
Speaker 2: of civilian areas and essential infrastructure. And of course Iran
40:23
Speaker 2: is vulnerable also from a hydro perspective, from a water perspective,
40:28
Speaker 2: because there've been huge water shortages in Iran in the
40:32
Speaker 2: last two years that I am investigating that at the moment.
40:36
Speaker 2: It's quite difficult, but I'm not entirely sure that it
40:39
Speaker 2: hasn't been engineered by Israel. And the worst there are
40:44
Speaker 2: water shortages anyway, but I'm not sure it hasn't been
40:46
Speaker 2: made worse, you know, were they to bomb again any
40:50
Speaker 2: kind of water pumping stations and so on, electricity. You know,
40:55
Speaker 2: this is classic Israeli Washington war strategy is to destroy
41:01
Speaker 2: the country's ability to take care of its people. That's
41:04
Speaker 2: exactly what we saw them do in Yemen. Although Yemen
41:07
Speaker 2: is a perfect example of how resilient a people can be,
41:11
Speaker 2: not only resilient, but also be able to withstand a
41:16
Speaker 2: Washington Tel aviv onslaught and actually force them to end
41:20
Speaker 2: it after three days, if you remember. So. Even back then,
41:24
Speaker 2: we were seeing indications that the Pentagon were throwing their
41:27
Speaker 2: hands up in horror and saying to Trump look, you've
41:29
Speaker 2: got to stop. You're using waito many missiles. And at
41:33
Speaker 2: the time, if you remember, they said we might need
41:35
Speaker 2: it for China. But I think in reality they knew
41:38
Speaker 2: that the war against Iran was upcoming, and they were
41:40
Speaker 2: saying to him, don't stop depleting the stocks for this.
41:44
Speaker 2: We're not achieving anything, you know, Just withdraw and make
41:49
Speaker 2: a few excuses and say, you managed to get a
41:52
Speaker 2: surrender from the Yemenies. It's fine, right, And I had
41:57
Speaker 2: to sort of laugh the yesterday when there was a
42:02
Speaker 2: notification Trump had told Israel they were going to supply
42:05
Speaker 2: another twelve thousand aerial bombs, and I immediately said, well, okay,
42:10
Speaker 2: but where are they coming from. Are they going to
42:12
Speaker 2: take them back from Ukraine? Are they going to take
42:15
Speaker 2: them from South Korea? Because they're also talking about bringing
42:18
Speaker 2: in their defenses, and I presume the missiles as well
42:21
Speaker 2: from South Korea, which then leaves South Korea vulnerable to
42:25
Speaker 2: North Korea potentially. Yeah, I mean Iran considering how many
42:31
Speaker 2: people sort of never expected that it would be able
42:34
Speaker 2: to withstand this kind of onslaught for this length of time,
42:37
Speaker 2: and the officials are basically saying, fine, you know, lat
42:41
Speaker 2: America try and invade, and to be honest, I mean
42:46
Speaker 2: the Brits and the Russians tried to invade back in
42:48
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one. That didn't go so well either. You know,
42:52
Speaker 2: it's a very very as I said, mountainous terrain. It's
42:56
Speaker 2: very difficult to attack from on the ground, as the
43:01
Speaker 2: Kurds are probably going to find out if if they
43:04
Speaker 2: do yet again fall for American Israeli promises of independence.
43:10
Speaker 1: A couple of minutes ago you mentioned false flags. The
43:14
Speaker 1: headlines in the news here this morning, this is Saturday,
43:19
Speaker 1: are things like drone strike near Dubai Airport as Iran's
43:23
Speaker 1: president apologizes the Golf Nations for attacks and the sub
43:27
Speaker 1: head is President Masud says Iran won't attack first, but
43:31
Speaker 1: Guitar Defense Ministry says it has intercepted the miss out.
43:35
Speaker 1: Part of the problem here that we have that countries
43:38
Speaker 1: have is knowing who has actually shot what in what direction.
43:43
Speaker 1: You mentioned false flags earlier. This this has got to
43:47
Speaker 1: be a major risk that Israel and the United States,
43:52
Speaker 1: who have no ethics, would in fact deliberately target a
43:57
Speaker 1: civilian area or an airport or ever in these countries.
44:02
Speaker 1: As you say, in order to try to bring them in.
44:04
Speaker 1: I just wonder how successful is the whole concept of
44:08
Speaker 1: false flag no I something which is broadly enough understood
44:12
Speaker 1: that that would not that would not work.
44:15
Speaker 2: I also come back to my point that I don't
44:18
Speaker 2: think the militaries of the Gulf States are in any
44:22
Speaker 2: way functional without US backing. And I saw, oh God,
44:32
Speaker 2: I think it was Saudi Arabia that was saying, well, okay,
44:35
Speaker 2: but then you have to create a no fly zone.
44:38
Speaker 2: And that's my point. They're not able to really function.
44:42
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the Saudi Arabia war
44:45
Speaker 2: against Yemen that began in twenty fifteen, they were force
44:51
Speaker 2: multiplied by the United States, the British, the Israelis, the UAE,
44:57
Speaker 2: which of course is an extension of Israel. Really fully
45:02
Speaker 2: the Saudis themselves. I'm pretty sure I could go back
45:06
Speaker 2: to reports which state that many of the sorties flown
45:11
Speaker 2: by the so called Saudi planes were flown by Americans,
45:15
Speaker 2: including I think there was B two bombing back in
45:20
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen of Sunna or the mountains around Sunna, and
45:24
Speaker 2: that couldn't be flown by Saudi's because they're not trained
45:28
Speaker 2: in it. And you know, these countries are based on money, Mike,
45:33
Speaker 2: They're based on the Petra dollar. They're not fighters. You know,
45:37
Speaker 2: this was always it's a bit of an in joke
45:39
Speaker 2: in this region, and definitely in Yemen, who used to basically,
45:43
Speaker 2: so they let them invade. You know, they're going to
45:45
Speaker 2: last five minutes, and I think on the odd occasions
45:48
Speaker 2: that Saudi military did anto Yemen, they were sent packing
45:51
Speaker 2: within five minutes. So no one takes them very seriously
45:56
Speaker 2: as a military force, to be quite honest, unless the
46:00
Speaker 2: US is prepared to fully back them and effectively fight
46:04
Speaker 2: for them in many cases, and I don't think the
46:07
Speaker 2: US is prepared to do that. I think the US
46:09
Speaker 2: is just saying, well, we've supplied you all this military equipment,
46:12
Speaker 2: go use it, go do something useful, and they're saying,
46:15
Speaker 2: but you're not going to defend us. So I honestly,
46:21
Speaker 2: I really don't see the Zionist Arab Gulf states doing
46:25
Speaker 2: anything without full support. That's my opinion on that, because
46:30
Speaker 2: I think they really would suffer far worth consequences because
46:33
Speaker 2: if they launch a missile and Iran, then they become
46:36
Speaker 2: a legitimate target.
46:37
Speaker 1: Okay, we're just we're just about out of time. But
46:41
Speaker 1: Just to finish off, I'd just like to have a
46:43
Speaker 1: quick discussion about the information war around this conflict and
46:48
Speaker 1: in general, because obviously we have the United States saying, well,
46:52
Speaker 1: we're the biggest fighting force on the face of the earth.
46:55
Speaker 1: We can continue this forever. And at the same time,
46:58
Speaker 1: they're saying that Iran depleted much of their weaponry because
47:03
Speaker 1: you know, in the first couple of days of the conflict,
47:05
Speaker 1: we were seeing thousands of rockets being fired, and now
47:08
Speaker 1: it's tens of rockets being fired, and therefore they must
47:12
Speaker 1: be running out. How do we get past or get
47:14
Speaker 1: through this rhetoric and this nonsense and get closer to
47:19
Speaker 1: the reality.
47:20
Speaker 2: Well, I think, I mean, there are a number of
47:23
Speaker 2: what I would say very sober military analysts, not some
47:27
Speaker 2: of the more hysterical ones, like for example, Ted Postel
47:32
Speaker 2: Larry Johnson, who have a pretty conservative take on things,
47:37
Speaker 2: but still are saying, you know, don't underestimate Iran because
47:43
Speaker 2: I think some estimates put their stock piles of missiles
47:48
Speaker 2: at around six thousand, others have gone as far as
47:52
Speaker 2: ten thousand, but that actually is not irrelevant, but that's
47:57
Speaker 2: a less important fact to how they manufacture these missiles
48:01
Speaker 2: and store these missiles. They are stored in what they
48:04
Speaker 2: call missiles cities, and again this has been reiterated by
48:08
Speaker 2: various military analysts. In the worst which are built underground undergranite,
48:15
Speaker 2: impossible to destroy. You know, the US did try and
48:19
Speaker 2: it failed, as much as Trump has tried to claim
48:22
Speaker 2: he destroyed everything. And at the same time as they're
48:26
Speaker 2: storing and in some cases launching missiles from these underground cities,
48:31
Speaker 2: they're manufacturing. So it's like a conveyor belt of manufacture
48:36
Speaker 2: in an area which is almost impossible to destroy, which
48:39
Speaker 2: of course raises the concern that eventually Israel is going
48:43
Speaker 2: to use nukes to try and destroy these missile production
48:46
Speaker 2: sites all across Iran. But I think from what I understand,
48:51
Speaker 2: the Iranian missile capability, both renewal, launch and storage, is
48:59
Speaker 2: far more efficient than the United States. That's my opinion.
49:04
Speaker 1: No matter what Iran is doing, undoubtedly any country is
49:08
Speaker 1: more efficient than the United.
49:09
Speaker 3: States that the UK is largely dem Yeah, well, absolutely,
49:14
Speaker 3: we have got ourselves economically into a position where everything
49:18
Speaker 3: costs ten times as much to do, and.
49:22
Speaker 1: It's it's ten times slower to do as well. Has Iran.
49:26
Speaker 1: I'm not aware that Iran has used any of its
49:28
Speaker 1: hypersonics yet when when do you think it's going to
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Speaker 1: bring these side.
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Speaker 2: I think I thought it had I need to check that,
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Speaker 2: but I thought it had not many. And also I've
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Speaker 2: noticed in the last few days, and I don't think
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Speaker 2: that's because they're running out of missiles. I think it's
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Speaker 2: because they know that Israel is running low on interceptors,
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Speaker 2: and so therefore they're going to be conservative with interception.
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Speaker 2: They've been fire waves of missiles, but smaller waves, so
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Speaker 2: only five or six missiles. And at the same time,
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Speaker 2: as I said, in coordination, Hesbelar is swamping the interceptor
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Speaker 2: systems in Israel with drones and their own rockets and missiles.
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Speaker 2: And I have to say, the huge majority of Fezbollo
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Speaker 2: drones are getting through, by the way, according to reports
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Speaker 2: I'm receiving, obviously not from Israel, because no one's allowed
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Speaker 2: to report from inside Israel if they do or don't
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Speaker 2: get through. But I think even Israeli military analysts are
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Speaker 2: sort of saying, you know, we thought Hesbela was finished,
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Speaker 2: and now we discover actually they were preparing for this
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Speaker 2: and know they're not finished. In fact, we're getting severely
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Speaker 2: hit yeah, I need to check that, but I'm pretty
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Speaker 2: certain they have used some of the more sophisticated missiles,
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Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure hypersonics have been used, but again
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Speaker 2: I need to check it.
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Speaker 1: Just very briefly, just to finish off, what do you
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Speaker 1: think are the next stages of this.
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Speaker 2: I think you are going to see these false flags.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to try and drag Turkey and
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Speaker 2: Azerbaijan into the war, which actually are far greater threat
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Speaker 2: than the UK, France or Germany for the reasons that
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Speaker 2: we've regularly discussed. Turkey is of course one of the
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Speaker 2: largest militaries and NATO equipped militaries in the region. Azerbaijan
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Speaker 2: is effectively an outpost for Washington and Israel. So then
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Speaker 2: again I would also wonder to what extent they can
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Speaker 2: effectively attack Iran, But they could, being on the northern border,
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Speaker 2: create issues along the border that divert Iranian troops to
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Speaker 2: the north. That's the potential, and they could also I guess,
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Speaker 2: be used to weaken Russia. Also not sure, but I
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Speaker 2: mean again, that is the potential. And there's obviously a
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Speaker 2: reason Washington and Israel have ensured they have primary influence
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Speaker 2: in Azerbaijan, although Turkey still has a strong footholder. As
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Speaker 2: I said, I just don't I don't know. I hope
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Speaker 2: I'm right, but I don't see Turkey being stupid enough
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Speaker 2: to enter into this on behalf of the US and
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Speaker 2: as well. I hope I'm right. Okay.
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Speaker 1: And then just finally, what about Lebanon and Syria?
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Speaker 2: Also we're forgetting Iraq, which is a major component in this,
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Speaker 2: because the Iraqi resistance factions have been doing massive damage
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Speaker 2: to US interests and bases there. And also now they've
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Speaker 2: basically said to the Kords, if you get involved in
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Speaker 2: the war against Iran, then you're gonna you know, we're
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Speaker 2: going to be attacking you as well. So Iraq shouldn't
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Speaker 2: be written out of the equation, Siriah, I think at
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Speaker 2: the moment it's just basically being used as a launch pad.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the ISIS elements and the Alkade elements will
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Speaker 2: at some point be released and are being released into
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Speaker 2: Iraq to combat the resistance there. Do I think there's
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Speaker 2: a real risk of tach theory invasion into Lebanon. I'm
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Speaker 2: actually I'm sort of divided on that because there's a
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Speaker 2: huge American base here I'm in the embassy, but it's
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Speaker 2: forget it being diplomatic. It's a military base. And you've
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Speaker 2: got elements within Lebanon, of course that are aligned with
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Speaker 2: America and Israel, and they would also be attacked because
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Speaker 2: the tax fiories aren't going to delineate between allies of
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Speaker 2: Israel and America or not. And I think while those elements,
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Speaker 2: the Lebanese forces, the Falange, certain Jruis factions and so
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Speaker 2: on that are against Hasblare, they're even more they hate
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Speaker 2: Syria and they hate the tax theories more than they
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Speaker 2: hate Hezbollah. So I think Jolani will be used again
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Speaker 2: historic or the Syrian territory as a launch bad for
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Speaker 2: attacks into Lebanon and also artillery drone attacks by Jolani
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Speaker 2: against Lebanese resistance forces an army. That's how I see
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Speaker 2: it playing out. But again we don't know. Anything could happen,
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Speaker 2: as we well know after the fall of Syria, so
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Speaker 2: I'm always very cautious about saying definitively X y Z
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Speaker 2: isn't going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well we do need to leave it there
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Speaker 1: for today. Thank you very much for that. That's been
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Speaker 1: a fantastic conversation and well, undoubtedly we'll be speaking again.
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Speaker 1: Not quite as big a break this time between.
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Speaker 2: Ten hope not well. Things are going to move very fast,
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Speaker 2: so yes, we should keep up with them. Hint hint,