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#41 - Should Churches Pay Taxes? Exploring a Controversial Idea · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  If you're still there, why do you say tax the churches? If you're still there,
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  I would love to hear it. Curious, curious. Why do you say tax the churches?
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  There's the camera. Because I mean, I'm not like against it.
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  And I think I've seen somebody say that before in one of my videos or whatever.
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  I'm very, very curious of why. I mean, like, are you coming at it from a Christian perspective?
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  Like, are you a Christian saying that? I appreciate you putting that in there. That's awesome.
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  Because from a Christian perspective, like, honestly, the reason,
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  like, the church is a little hazy as to why we do that. They get a tax write-off.
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  I think with the government, it becomes like you become.
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  Beholden to the government. You become beholden to the government whenever they
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  give you that ability to not pay taxes or whatever.
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  I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world. I'm curious why you
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  would say that. Taxes to the churches.
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  You don't have to say anything else, but I appreciate you putting that in there.
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  It is a very interesting concept. love to hear what
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  you have to say let me see if i can hear so
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  we are right now we have the podcast has started the podcast
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  so the recording of this so i'm actually looking in the the tiktok live chat
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  and ahmad easy said tax the churches but and it's a very interesting concept
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  like i mean just for if we had the churches pay taxes that's very interesting
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  like i mean there's there's probably be a good reason why they don't, you know,
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  but like if it becomes then, oh, we, we got to still abide by the party line
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  so that we, they, they don't take that away of us having to pay or, you know.
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  Or taxes or become that whatever 501 BB DVD or whatever.
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  So, but yeah, I really appreciate you saying that. It's very interesting.
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  And I, let me see if I have on here sound monitoring
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  so i do call in let's see
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  what this says allow calling yes allow calling but how
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  do like see i have on here where people have called in i
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  think it's like so i am on so what i use for my live my live stream or whatever
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  is pod bean so if anyone ever got on pod bean i think i think that's how i direct
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  them to them if you get on there you can call in i'd love to hear your thoughts
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  get on pod bean and go to brandon fogel and jump into the chat and then i think
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  you can call in from there i actually got a.
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  That's where you do that trial and error kind of thing, that trial run and all that.
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  I have had somebody call in like that. And we're had a few times. One was successful.
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  The other time it was, I was recording it from my phone and that was the only
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  one I only device had really come had on me.
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  But now that I'm with all other devices, I can could actually,
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  if you go into pod, pod bean and sign in, I'll let you in.
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  I'd love to hear what y'all have to say. I can go over here and see a mod easy.
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  I love what you, why you, why you said that.
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  I love to hear why you said that. Why do you think we should tax the churches?
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  What do you, what do you know? What do you know? What do you know,
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  man? I need to know what you know.
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  I need to know. In my, the, my, the podcast, it says, let's go.
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  I guess that is the same way of saying let's go.
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  Maybe it's not crazy. I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy.
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  Oh, well, thanks. Thanks for jumping in there.
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  Sorry, baby woke up and is crying. oh well we know all about that where we're
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  at you know or i'm at we we have that quite a bit but i would love to hear what
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  you what you think it's really cool but like i mean just didn't even talk about
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  that why should we tax the churches over here man why should we tax the churches.
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  What what would that do is it i mean
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  i i guess like our non-profit non-for-profit
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  organizations are they taxed not-for-profit i guess
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  it's called not-for-profit or not-for-profit organizations is taxed like that's
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  a good question it's a good question Brandon what do you think what do you think
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  my you got a baby like we got a baby because we recently had ours and he's been
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  doing he's been sleeping a lot better than at the beginning you know.
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  That's life. I guess that's kind of a silly question. Not for profit. Not for profit.
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  Do not for profit. Any social, civic, religious, political subdivision,
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  or educational organization can apply for a sales tax exemption by completing
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  form of Missouri sales tax application. This form lists the information needed.
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  It says, nonprofit status may make an organization eligible for certain benefits,
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  such as a state sales property and income tax exemption.
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  However this corporate status does not automatically grant exemption from federal
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  income tax tax i mean the taxes is like the name of the game it's like if you
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  know if you know the tax bracket the tax structure and all that and how to get
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  around i mean not even get around it's just how to actually.
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  Maneuver through it you know i it's like it's so complicated it's so complicated
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  you know and it's but it's that way for a reason, you know,
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  it's in some ways for politicians to basically get votes and to appease their lobbyists and all that.
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  But in a lot of ways it does benefit people, you know, I mean,
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  like you would think like, cause you, you have a baby, you have a kid and you
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  get a tax write-off and it's like, why did the government decide that, you know?
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  And there had been a reason like how this whole apparatus
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  got put together of taxes and why they do
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  all that you know it's probably to encourage some
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  some things and discourage or maybe i don't
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  encourage you having children because you're
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  making something up and a productive productive member of society that's you
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  know going to be able to build and create and make things that can pay more
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  taxes and make the our society grow and our government i mean our our country
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  you get bigger and better, you know.
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  It's just like, how did like, it's so complicated, you know,
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  humans, like we create things that are so complicated and so intricate and just so like amazing.
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  It's, that sounds so weird. I'm saying like the taxes are amazing,
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  which is, I hear, I hear all day long, you know, taxes, taxes,
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  theft, you know, and all that.
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  And it's all, it's so, it's a political thing, but it's almost,
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  it's a political thing that I think everybody can almost talk about and get
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  on board with, which I mean, I, I think it's kind of weird when,
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  when some people are saying certain people should pay taxes or, you know what I mean?
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  Like, I mean, but maybe, but haven't telling certain organizations,
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  that's one thing, but then saying like, Oh, the rich should pay their fair share
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  or pay their whatever. When it, when it's like, I've heard like taxes,
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  it's like legalized theft, you know?
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  But then I'm like on both sides offense i'm not a good like any party person
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  at all because like for i'm all like.
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  It, the government has helped, it helps so much, you know, if you want something
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  actually done and taken care of and like the government is actually what actually
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  needs to go in is the one that actually gets it accomplished.
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  You know, it's like, even though there's things that there is overreach in the
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  government and what it does, but like a lot of times it's,
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  it actually does do things that we could never actually do, you know,
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  like there's a lot of government waste and all that, you know, but I mean, taxes,
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  I'm sure it's a, it's, it's obviously a boring thing and it's not
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  something i'm at all looking forward to doing as we roll into
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  the new year that is almost like one of the worst things
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  about going into the new year like gosh you
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  gotta taxes i don't want to do taxes i was
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  like and it's like when you're a kid you have.
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  No idea you have no freaking idea it's
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  like but it's like when you get growed up it's like you then you
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  have to start doing the tax thing you have
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  to do it's like and i i was silly for the
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  longest time i did my own taxes i
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  did my own taxes but then i got enlightened
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  that you can pay people to do your taxes you
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  can pay people to do your taxes and i and since.
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  I've done that i was like i can't even imagine ever doing my
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  own taxes again and even having paying people to do taxes is
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  still paying because you still got to get the documents to them you
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  still got to get things set up and it's like but a lot of times when you pay people to
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  do your taxes like they get the most your most
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  money back and then you can pay them whatever out
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  of that you know i mean you could save some but like they're gonna find
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  things that i have no idea what i'm doing at all
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  there's so many funny things about taxes and
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  i've i've heard about you know just comedians it's like the government
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  just they're telling us that we have to figure
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  out how much we owe them it's like it's insane it's
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  like why can't you just you know how much i
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  make you know how much i owe you you could just
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  take it from me right away but you
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  put me through this whole trial and error and just
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  anxiety ridden lifestyle that i have to just figure out how much did i make
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  in this job how much did i make over here how much i do all this and write-offs
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  and and you know things i can deduct and all this and like you know what in
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  the first place why are you putting me through this it's like they're it's like they're game.
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  Why can't we just, if we do anything, why can't we come together?
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  We do away with the taxes in this sense of us having to do it.
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  They know it. They know it all. Let them just figure it out.
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  It's like almost on the honor system kind of deal, but then it's almost they
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  can still come after you and put you in jail if they find out you're doing something wrong.
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  I'm all about paying taxes. Render to Caesar what is Caesar's kind of thing.
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  Pay your taxes. But it's just, I hate the whole structure of it. I just...
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  I don't think I'm really going to run into anybody that's like, oh, I love taxes.
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  It's my favorite thing. It's my favorite thing.
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  I think it's something we can all agree on we don't like, but it's, I want it.
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  I mean, you can go to different, different places that do your taxes,
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  but it's like, can we just like, we're the regular people.
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  Can we just step back and let whatever is out there and whatever needs to be
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  done just happen and we don't have to touch it.
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  Maybe with AI, we can get to that point with AI.
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  With AI, all things are, no, I'm not even going to say that.
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  I was about to say a Bible verse, but then substitute God with AI.
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  That makes me, throw up. But that's how it feels. Sometimes we're putting everything on AI.
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  But I think AI is going to do a lot. In this time frame that we are living in,
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  this existence that we are living in, until kingdom come, maybe the smartest
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  thing on this planet is going to be AI.
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  We can teach it and use it and figure it all out. Figure it out.
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  Who knew we were going to talk about taxes? Who knew and
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  my my title was called let's go and then
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  someone jumps in like oh my gosh he's talking about taxes taxes
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  wow wow that's a
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  way to draw a crowd start talking about taxes you
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  know who's your accountant you know i don't know
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  either way it's not something i'm looking forward
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  to not something at all i'm looking
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  forward to but i hey everyone that has chatted like
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  i need to figure out so like we're gonna
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  go like we'll call them brandon's goose chases
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  i'll have my i'll have my goose chases where like
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  i go to do my all my things and
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  i'm just all over the place and then i end up catching the golden goose or something
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  like i figured out tonight like we figured out that i went spent like 30 minutes
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  riping on is it riping or griping riping it's griping i was like 30 minutes just griping over,
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  Oh, I can't figure this take talk thing out. I can't figure it out.
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  You know, I did everything but cry. And then, you know, an idea,
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  a special idea happened.
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  And I asked chat GBT and then chat GBT told me what it is.
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  And we figured it out together that you do not need to go to any platform as
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  in the platform itself, as in Facebook, YouTube, TikTok.
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  I was primarily talking about TikTok, but you don't need to do the studio and
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  run the stream and then have people call in through that because it doesn't
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  support that. TikTok doesn't support that.
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  But it's like the stream that I'm running it through, like right now,
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  what I'm doing is i would do it through that
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  and then what people are seeing out there is from
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  the hub that i have set up the of the software which
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  i i use obs and then like when i'm sending stuff to
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  all the platforms i'm sending it through restream but there's
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  a number of options out there you know but a lot of times it's
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  what you don't you don't know what you don't know and you
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  don't know what question to ask you don't know what to say you
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  know and you're just kind of just just skating through you
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  know you're just figuring it out as you go along
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  flying by the seat of your pants and all that and get low
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  on my water h2o water sucks
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  it really actually it does not suck at all i mean just i
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  mean just so many things i i'm a weird dude i
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  understand that like that that does
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  make me think i the i will say it like because we're like we're in a close-knit
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  community right now and anyone that's here you are the closest knit that i have
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  so i will tell you this the word that someone said to me and then this could
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  be like my secret word my secret word.
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  That like if i said i'll say to people what's my secret word you'll you can
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  tell me this and it'll it'll make me cry when i hear it because this is the
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  word it was one a comment that was one word and whoever it is out there i don't
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  know who it is because it's the only comment that i deleted
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  but i'll tell you what the word was i don't even want to say it
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  it almost brings a tear to my eye even thinking about it
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  oh oh oh my
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  gosh it's ah okay i'm not gonna draw it out i'm just gonna to tell
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  you what it is the word that they posted in my
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  video which broke my heart and made
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  me cry actually didn't make me cry but it and i
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  let it hang up there for a while but it's like it just
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  kept just in my mind just playing and i know people are gonna say it
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  but like i'm just gonna say who it is he said the person
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  said embarrassing the person said
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  embarrassing which that was the
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  word on a video that i made and which
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  could probably apply to millions of my
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  videos even though i haven't made a million videos but it
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  could apply to all of them people could say that but like it was one.
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  That i saw that put on there and like just got me
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  got me you know i'm not
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  like that like and i i couldn't even look
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  at it i couldn't keep it and i had to delete it it's
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  just one of those things one of those things you never
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  know what's gonna get you but i mean i've heard mr beast he's
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  deleted he's deleted comments from his videos
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  before and a lot of people do people even have restrictions on
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  things that you know i mean something like that wouldn't like set off
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  a like a restriction you can't say something like that but what video
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  what what they'll catch and what what you'll allow in the comments but
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  that was it and you all who you who
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  are here and that are hearing that you know i won't say it again in this video
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  or whatever but like that's what it is you heard what the word was it will now
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  live in infamy it will now live in infamy whatever that means so if i did do
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  this where like i i have someone from kind of see,
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  discord is anyone on discord anyone using that so are you a real person out
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  there i'm gonna say i'm gonna ask someone this actually this was typed a while
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  back but it is cool because like just the other day we i was doing a video with
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  and playing a game and then someone called like got on here and I was actually
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  able to talk to them through the game, which is really cool.
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  But I do the thing where if I don't know if they're real, because you can't
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  immediately know if someone's real or whatever out there. And it's going to
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  become more and more so like that.
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  But that is one thing that AI at this point can't do, as in that's why they
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  have those bot tests or those robot tests or whatever.
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  There's some things AI can't do that only a human can do by seeing it.
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  You know, so if I throw up a number or something on this, like in the always does that.
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  Cause I always show my palms of a robot could not just guess it and get it right.
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  So he's like, you know, it's a real person when they can do that.
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  And I, I think we're going to be over, overly saturated with AI that like just
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  the organic and human interaction,
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  true human interaction, because I think we're going to, it's going to become
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  so, so just like closely mimicked and just so closely together.
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  It's like it's you're not we're not going to be able to tell the difference between
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  art the artificial and the organic really and we're
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  gonna it's just gonna blend so much together you
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  know and i think we're gonna develop such more of
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  a taste for real organic from people when
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  we get so overly saturated with ai because
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  it is it's coming and it's just going to increase so
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  much faster and so much more that's what i think and things
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  that it can do for us which is it's going to make things so much easier but it's
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  going to render so many things obsolete but like like these things that just
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  pump into your chats like do something which you know it's not really a person
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  but maybe like they have something that goes out there and just throws that
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  in there just to maybe spread their message or or whatever i spam messages that's what it is.
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  On this new software I'm using, which is, it's called a stream enhancements or no, no, that's not it.
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  Stream elements. You, I, there's so many cool things that you can do on here.
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  And I like, and it's basically like, really, I have not paid a dollar for it.
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  I have not paid anything for this software, but I found this on YouTube that
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  somebody, a video that I, that really helped me in getting things set up that
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  he directed me to go to this.
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  And I joined his like little discord thing, but I don't, I don't,
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  I didn't have to, but he like showed me this thing.
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  He's kind of supporting or it's kind of his sponsor you
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  know he's making money off it and i'm sure in stream elements are
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  making money in their own way but like outright
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  i have not had to pay anything and it's like it's helped so much there's
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  so many there are so many free tools that are out there
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  there are so many free tools that are out there and it's
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  just knowing them right off the bat i i maybe that's something
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  i'll do maybe i would like to as i get further
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  along and i'm i'm using more and more stuff to have.
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  A one like and i'm i'm sure a lot of people do this but
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  like that has everything that i've found that's
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  been the most useful and it's basically free
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  and or or i mean or that it's going to give you the most value for
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  what you need and like just like stuff like that like i
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  would not have immediately known about stream elements
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  or obs you think that people just
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  immediately know about it and most people don't unless you're
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  actually doing this you don't know about it you don't
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  know about it but it's it in itself is really it's
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  really cool it's like it connects with your obs it can
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  and like it can what you would go by like
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  whatever to like for your screen like just like
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  backgrounds or whatever it has some that are already there
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  so many that are already there that are
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  just free and available to use that you like whole like templates of these overlays
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  that's what they're called overlays that you can throw in your obs and they're
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  just free and you can get them set up there i have like i've got one so far
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  but i haven't set it up through it but uh i mean there's so many things like that you know it's.
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  They're definitely like, I think Google, it feels like Google is the one that
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  has basically started this, this whole thing of it's like been the ultimate
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  free value software or tool that's out there.
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  Like it's just like completely consumed our lives, like taken over in like so
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  many parts of our lives. And it's because it's free.
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  It's like, in a lot of ways, Google is free for us and using Gmail and just
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  so many, it almost like got the ball rolling of doing that.
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  And then that's what it is. Like you, it started where like,
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  that's the best way to develop a business and a product or a service is to create
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  something that's going to bring value.
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  And that's free to people, free to anyone out there that wants to use and be.
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  A part of what you have going.
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  And then you can create something
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  more and and even better service and then
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  you can they people that want that part of
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  it then they can pay and they're they're bought in they
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  want to maybe support and and pay for whatever
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  it is you have but it's like i think google almost it
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  feels like google is the one that started that because they they got it
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  all set up where we just started using google in every part
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  of our life and it's like it's like we use it
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  so much it's like so entrenched in our life but
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  then eventually it became the billion almost trillion
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  probably a trillion dollar company i don't even know of what
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  what it makes on so many other things but like it
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  became it started with the free it's everything it starts
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  with the free and what you can give people free and value that's
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  the baseline to growing so it's
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  your business and growing you know your reach so
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  well either way this has been fun i wanted
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  to just get on here and just roll it started
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  off with just talk about my new camera my
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  first camera this is my first camera folks this is
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  the first the first it's a sony we'll see how it works and so it's a big moment
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  for me and i know there's a lot of people out there you know just do work with
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  what you got use what you got and then as you go on you can scale build to scale
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  and all that kind of stuff so you have to start somewhere but i'm.
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  About like i want to everyone out there
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  has so much value that you can be with your life start
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  making stuff to help others to that
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  it would make a big impact in other people's day that you have no idea your
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  how your life could make an impact on other people's if you just start just
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  creating stuff and just showing your life basically just start starts with just
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  documenting your life you never know the reach and like i said the impact that you can make,
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  so all right we'll leave it there thank you everyone who has tuned in i hope
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  you all have a great day and we'll see y'all the next one peace.