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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 17) (5/16/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're going to continue along with the
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Glaine Maxwell deposition as we continue to wait for the
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new unsealed documents to drop. So with that said, let's
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just dive right back in. McCauley, did you authorize redacted
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to issue that statement on your behalf in January of
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twenty fifteen, Maxwell, I already testified that that was done
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by my lawyers, McCauley, So did you authorize your lawyers
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to issue a statement on your behalf through or redacted in
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January of twenty fifteen? Maxwell, It was determined that I
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had to make a statement in the United Kingdom because
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of the appalling lies, and I just thought of some
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new ones. Virginia's statement that I celebrated her sixteenth birthday
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with her, We can all agree that that's entirely impossible.
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I didn't meet her until she was seventeen, and other
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lies she perpetrates that she had a diary, and we
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all know that is a complete fake. That's not a diary.
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It was just a book she was writing that you
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all helped her sell to the press as if it
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was a diary. Then it was just a story that
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she is writing for fiction, fictional story for money. McCauley,
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how did you arrive at the words that were put
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in that statement? Pagliuca, I'm going to object and instruct
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you to the extent this calls for any privileged communications
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between yourself and redacted or another lawyer representing you. We're
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asserting privilege. If you can answer that without that, feel
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free to answer. McCauley. So what your counsel is saying,
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and I will exclude any privileged communications you had with
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your lawyers. The question is, how did you arrive at
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the words that were put in that statement? If you
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can tell me without disclosing privileged communications, Maxwell, I'm not
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sure that i can. McCauley. Is that statement that you
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issued true? Maxwell? What do you mean by that, McCauley.
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Is that statement that you issued, the statement that's in
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front of you, Is it a truth statement? Maxwell? As
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in that Virginia is a liar. McCauley, the words you
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put in there? Is that true? Maxwell? Of course they're true. McCauley.
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When did you become aware that the statement was being released? Maxwell?
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I don't recollect exactly. McCauley. What day, was it? Maxwell? No, McCauley,
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I'm sorry. Did you identify I might not have caught it.
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Did you identify the name of the lawyer that you
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said you retained for the purpose of this statement? Maxwell,
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I think redacted? McCauley. Did you pay that lawyer? Redacted? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley.
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Are you aware of any interstate or international transportation of
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a woman aged eighteen to twenty eight for the purposes
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of prostitution? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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I'm not even sure I understand your question. McCauley, I'll
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go slower. Are you aware of any interstate meaning between states,
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or international meaning overseas transportation of women age d Eighteen
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to twenty eight for the purpose of prostitution? Mister Pagliuka
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objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell? Are you asking?
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I'm still not sure I understand the question. McCauley. Well,
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I'll try to make it clear. I'm asking you if
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you are aware of any interstate meaning between states or
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international transportation meaning flight or by car or by train
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of women age d eighteen to twenty eight. Their ages
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are between the ages of eighteen and twenty eight for
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the purposes of prostitution, mister Pagliuka, objection to the Form
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and Foundation. Maxwell. In the world, I'm sure that that happens.
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I read about it all the time, McAuley. Not in
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the world. Are you aware of it in your experience
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with Jeffrey Epstein, of any interstate or international transportation of
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women age eighteen to twenty eight for the purposes of prostitution?
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Mister Pakliuka objection to the Form and Foundation. Maxwell. So,
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whilst I appreciate this might not seem like a smart question,
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what do you mean by prostitution? What are you asking
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me exactly, McCauley. That would be sex for hire, any
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kind of sexual act that's paid for. Mister Pakliuka, objection
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to the Form and Foundation. Maxwell. Who's paying What are
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you asking me, McCauley. It can be paid for by anybody.
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It's a sexual act that's paid for. I'm asking if
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you are aware of any interstate or international transportation of
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women age d eighteen to twenty eight for the purpose
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of prostitution. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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I have no idea what you're talking about. McCauley, So
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you're not aware of that, Maxwell, No, and just interject.
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Let's remember that Glenn Maxwell got nailed for exactly this thing,
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and she is also in trouble for lying during this deposition.
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So keep that in mind. Keep that in mind when
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we're going through this and she's firing off all of
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her nonsense, especially considering we have hindsight to guide us. Right,
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we're looking at this in context now, and we know
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exactly what Maxwell was up to, what she was convicted of,
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so it makes reading her lies here even that much
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more disgusting. McCauley, are you aware of any interstate or
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international transportation of women aged eighteen to twenty eight for
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the purposes of having sex with Epstein where they would
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receive compensation of any type? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know what you're
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referring to. McCauley. Do you want me to repeat the question? Maxwell? Sure,
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go ahead. McCauley. Are you aware of any interstate or
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international transportation of women eighteen to twenty eight for the
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purpose of having sex with Jeffrey Epstein where they would
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receive compensation of any type? Pakluka object to the form
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and the Foundation. Maxwell, I'm not aware of what you
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are talking about. McCauley. Are you aware of any interstate
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or international transportation of women age d eighteen to twenty
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eight for the purposes of providing a massage to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, So
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I need you to repeat the question for me. McCauley, sure,
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Are you aware of any interstate, meaning between states, or
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international overseas transportation of women age DA eighteen to twenty
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eight for the purposes of providing massage for Jeffrey Epstein.
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Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
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I think we can agree he did travel from time
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to time with a professional adult messuse. McCauley, are you
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aware of any interstate or international transportation of women age
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eighteen to twenty eight for the purposes of providing a
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massage to any person other than Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pakliuka
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objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, again, I'm
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not aware of anybody that. If you're asking for specifics
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to someone else, I have no knowledge of that. McAuley.
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So you are not aware of any interstate or international
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transportation of a woman age eighteen to twenty eight for
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the purposes of providing a massage to any person other
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than Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and
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the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recall what any single person
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being on a plane for a massage with someone else
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other than Jeffrey for the sole purpose. If that's a question,
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I don't have any recollection of that, McCauley. Earlier in
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your testimony, you stated that Virginia Roberts was seventeen at
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the time that you met her. How do you know
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that she was seventeen? Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form
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and the foundation, and to the extent that calls for
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a privileged response, I'm instructing you not to answer, McCauley.
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How do you know Virginia Roberts was seventeen at the
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time you met her, Mister Pagliuca, Again, if you learn
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that information from your lawyer, I'm instructing you not to answer. Maxwell.
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I will follow my counsel's advice. McCauley, are you able
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to answer that question without telling me information you learn
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from a lawyer? Maxwell I'm not McCauley, So you don't
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have independent knowledge that Virginia, according to your statement, was
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seventeen at the time that you met her. Maxwell, Again,
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my lawyer has instructed me not to answer. McCauley, I'm
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asking you a different question, whether you have any independent
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knowledge outside your lawyers, that Virginia was seventeen at the
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time that you met her. Maxwell, following the instructions of
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my lawyers, I can only remember to or testify to
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what she Pagliuka interrupts. She is asking you a different question.
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She's asking other than what you're lawyers have told you.
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Do you have any knowledge about her being seventeen? That's
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what she's asking Maxwell. I can't recollect where I got
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all the information that I have definitively shows that. McCauley,
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earlier in your testimony, I believe you said all of
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us would know that Virginia was seventeen at the time
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you met her. How would we know that, Maxwell, I
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think you know that by her own dates now that
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it was in two thousand. So her entire tale of
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me celebrating her sixteenth birthday is clearly another giant falsehood. McCauley,
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But she was sixteen and seventeen that year, wasn't she? Maxwell?
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Which year McCauley you said it was two thousand? Maxwell.
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I think the information that I have that indicates that
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definitively with something that is privileged, So I can't share
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that with you. McCauley. So you have privileged information that
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definitively tells you that she was seventeen at the time
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that you met her. Maxwell, I believe that I do, McCauley.
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How would we know that, Maxwell? What are you asking me? McCauley.
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Earlier today you testified that we would know that she
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was seventeen at the time that you met her. How
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would we know that? Maxwell? I imagine you have access
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to exactly the same information that I have. McCauley. What
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is that information? Maxwell? Again, it's privileged. I can't share
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it with you. But you have been on this case
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for I don't know much longer than I have, and
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I imagine you have all the information that I do. McCauley.
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Do you know whether your lawyers have produced documents from
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you that would show the age that Virginia was at
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the time that you met her, Mister Pagliuca, to the
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extent that calls for a communication that you had with
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one of your lawyers. I'm instructing you not to answer
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that question. McCauley. I assume you, as part of the
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discovery process, had to collect documents that were relevant to
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this action. Is that correct, Maxwell? I did McCauley, did
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you collect documents that would show that Virginia was seventeen
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at the time that you met her? Maxwell? I think
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you have everything that you have asked for that I
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have that relates to that. McCauley, did you have a
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document that identified that Virginia was seventeen at the time
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that you met her? Maxwell, you have all the documents
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that I had, McCauley. I'm not asking what documents. I'm
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asking do you have a document that identifies Virginia being
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seventeen at the time that you met her? Maxwell? You
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have every document that I have. You have seen every
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document that I have. McCauley. That's not what I'm asking Maxwell.
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I don't recall every document that I gave you, so
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I don't know. I would have to look at every
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single document that I gave you and then review it.
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But as I recall, you have every document that I
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have McCauley, what are you planning to show the jury
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that will prove that Virginia was seventeen when you met her? Max, Well, again,
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that's privileged, so I can't share it with you, McCauley.
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If you're showing the jury, it wouldn't be privileged. So
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is there a document you have produced in this matter
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that shows that Virginia was seventeen at the time that
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you met her? Mister Pagliuca, she answered that question already,
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She said, she doesn't know. She has given you everything.
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If there is a decision, assuming for the moment that
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there is such a document, just hypothetically, and assuming for
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the moment that it is going to get produced somewhere,
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if it hadn't already been produced, obviously, that would involve
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a waiver, a future waiver of the privilege. I think
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that's the answer to the question, McCauley. Has the document
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been produced? Do you know? Maxwell? You have everything that
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I have given you, So if you can't, if it's
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not in those documents, I don't know what to tell you. McCauley.
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Your lawyers haven't withheld documents Maxwell. They're right here. You
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can ask them. McCauley I'm asking you, Maxwell, I don't
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know what they're lawyers. McCauley. When we were talking talking
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earlier about redacted, I ask you whether you had ever
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given him a gift of a puppet. So we're talking
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about Prince Andrew here, so everybody is following along. Did
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you ever not as a gift? Did you ever see
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in the presence of Prince Andrew, which is redacted, a puppet?
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Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell,
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can you be more direct, please, McCauley. Sure, Were you
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ever in a room with redacted where there was a puppet,
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mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell?
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Can you be more specific, please? And can you bound
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it by time and be more specific whatever you were
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actually asking me, McCauley, were you ever in a room
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with redacted Prince Andrew in New York, in Jeffrey Epstein's
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home where there was a puppet, mister Pakliuka objection to
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the form and the Foundation? Maxwell? What sort of puppet
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are you asking me, McCauley, Any kind of puppet? Maxwell?
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You need to be more descriptive. I don't know what
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you mean by puppet. There is hand puppets, all sorts
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of puppets. McCauley, Is there any puppet you've ever seen
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in Jeffrey Epstein's home in the presence of redacted Prince
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Andrew Maxwell? Again, puppet? You know there is lots of
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types of puppets, McCauley. Any type of puppet Maxwell, If
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you want to give me a description of a puppet,
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I would be perhaps able to say, McCauley, any type
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of puppet Maxwell? Can you be more detailed, McCauley, have
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you ever seen a puppet in Jeffrey Epstein's home in
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the presence of redacted Maxwell? My understanding of a puppet
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is a small handheld item you have in a circus.
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I have never seen that, McAuley. Have you ever seen
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a puppet which is defined as a movable model of
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a person or animal that is used in entertainment and
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typically moved by strings or controlled from above or by
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a hand inside it. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell. I have not seen a puppet
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that fits exactly that description. McCauley. Have you seen any
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puppet that fits that description? Mister Pakliuka objection to the
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form and the Foundation, Maxwell, can you reask the question please, McCauley, yes,
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have you seen any puppet that fits any description in
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the presence of redacted in Jeffrey Epstein's home. Mister Pagliuka
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objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I'm not
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aware of any small handheld puppet that was there. There
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was a puppet, not a puppet. There was a I
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don't know how I would really describe it. Really, I
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don't know how you would describe it. Not a puppet.
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I don't know how you would describe it. A characture
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of Prince Andrew that was in Jeffrey's home. McCauley, did
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you use that characterure to put the hand of that
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caricature on redacted's breast? Mister Pakliuka objection to the Form
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and the Foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect. I recollect the puppet,
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but I don't recollect anything around the puppet. You characterize puppet.
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I characterize it as I don't know, as a characterization
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of redacted. McCauley recollect asking Virginia Roberts to sit on
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Redacted's lap with a puppet of redacted. Maxwell, I do
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not recollect that. McCauley, what do you remember about the
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puppet of Prince Andrew when you were in the presence
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of redacted, Virginia Roberts, and redacted, Mister Pagliuca Objection to
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the Form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I don't recollect the
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story as told by redacted or Virginia. I don't even
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know who. I remember the puppet of redacted, and I
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remember redacted, but I don't recall anything else around redacted. McCauley,
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did you give it to him? Maxwell? I did not McCauley.
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Who gave it to him? Maxwell, I don't think it
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was given to him at all. McCauley, did he bring it? Maxwell? No?
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Was it something that was at the house? Maxwell, As
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best as I could recollect, McCauley, was it something you
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saw at the house in advance of Redacted's arrival? Maxwell, again,
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I don't really I recollect the puppet. I recollect redacted.
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I don't recollect much else around the puppet. McCauley, was
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there a party going on at the house at the
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time you recollect the puppet? Mister Pakluka objection to the
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Form and the Foundation, Maxwell, you have to be way
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more specific, McCauley, do you remember you said you recollect
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the puppet, you recollect redacted being there. Do you recollect
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a party that was going on at the time of
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that interaction with redacted and the puppet, mister Pakluka objection
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to the form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I don't recollect
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the party. First of all, they weren't really parties. I
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don't recollect a party. I don't know what you mean
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by party in the context of that scenario. McCauley, who
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do you recollect being at home during the time redacted
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was there with this puppet, mister Pagluka objection to the
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form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I only recollect myself with redacted.
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I don't recollect anybody else. McCauley, you don't recollect Jeffrey
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Epstein being there. Maxwell, Actually, no, McCauley, you don't recollect
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redacted being there. Maxwell. No, McCauley, you don't recollect Virginia
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Roberts being there. Maxwell. No, McCauley, it was just you
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and redacted. Maxwell, I'm not saying it was just me
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un redacted. You were asking me, do you remember I
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only remember redacted. I remember redacted and the puppet, but
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I can't place the puppet and everybody else in the
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same context, the same timeframe. You are asking me. The
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next portion completely redacted, and whatever it was. Pat Leuca
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objects to the form and the foundation Maxwell. Typically, there
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is no typical because there is no standard procedure, so
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I can't comment or testify to redact it. McCauley, do
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you remember him being at the house? Maxwell? Not specifically,
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And then right after that question, they go on break.
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So we're gonna do the same. We're gonna break there
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and in the next episode we'll pick up where we
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