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The Cannibal at the North End of the World: Baxbakwalanuksiwe’ · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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He is also known by one other name,
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"Cannibal at the North End of the World."
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Listen, I want things to be kind of neat and tidy.
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You got to give it a little pop, but I like that.
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That's good.
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"Cannibal at the North End of the World."
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That's the one.
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Yeah.
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It's like be descriptive, but don't be like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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You know?
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You can't either, you know, it could mean several different things.
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Okay.
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"Cannibal is very clear."
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This is true.
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I think, you know, it's eloquent in its brevity.
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He could be going Nelly Furtado on everyone's ass.
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Ooh.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Oh, hi.
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Hello.
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Why are you scared, Caitlyn?
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You don't know what's about to happen.
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I don't, but you've been building it up for like a week.
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I mean, at least.
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Spooky season is technically over, but it never ends.
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It never ends here.
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Not on PNW Haunts and Homicides where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things
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spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
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That's right.
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The limit does not exist.
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Or the PNW if you're nasty.
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She got it in there.
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What we had to because this episode is fucking nasty.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, nasty.
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Nice day.
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All right.
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So now I feel like I'm maybe getting a sense of things.
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Do we say the thing about the tarot?
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Because we do a tarot reading in every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic.
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I wonder what we're going to get for this one.
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It's so.
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I'm so interested.
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Yeah, I really like to know what tarot deck you're planning to use.
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Oh, well, I could give you a little spoiler and show you which one I'm going to use.
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The program.
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Excellent.
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Well, let's just get it into it.
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Okay.
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We're going to do one of Caitlyn's No No Topics today.
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Great.
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I was hoping you would say that.
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And I'm going to start with a simuliric from a song from the Hamat’sa ceremony, which I'll explain
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what that is.
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If you don't know what that is in a little bit too.
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All right.
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I went all around the world to find some food.
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I don't know the beat you guys.
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So it's just I'm just reading it.
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Okay.
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Okay, that's fair.
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I could do it.
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I could try to do it like a rapper.
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I went all around the world to find some food.
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No, okay.
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I don't think he should do that.
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Okay.
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Please.
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I went all around the world to find some food.
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I went all around the world to find human flesh.
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No.
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I went all around the world to find human heads.
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I went all around the world to find corpses.
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But imagine like not in English.
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Yeah.
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It probably sounds really, really cool and beautiful.
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So yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm glad you sang it in English so that I wasn't like accidentally like boffin like.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Well, I probably couldn't pronounce any of the words because it was really hard.
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It was hard to find how to pronounce these words that I have to say anyway.
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So we're not going to be speaking a different language.
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Okay.
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All right.
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The most terrifying story in the Kwakwaka’wakw folklore is of Baxbakwalanuksiwe’.
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Sounds pretty intense.
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And I'm going to like spell it for you.
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Oh, jeez.
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B-A-X.
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B-A-X-W-A-L-A-N-U-K-S-I-W-E.
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That feels a little overwhelming.
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It does.
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But when you get it broken down for you, Baxbakwalanuksiwe’.
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It's not too bad.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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No, I mean, I'm glad that it didn't come up at the sixth grade spelling bee, but.
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Right.
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Right.
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Because that would be rough.
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But intense.
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It's actually funny.
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You mentioned that because I found a lot of the info for this in like a, it's a grade school
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curriculum.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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It says it's meant for grades four and five.
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Okay.
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Very specific.
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Because this story is a little.
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It's, I mean, it's a little rough.
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Yeah.
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So I wanted to find something that kind of also not watered it down, but like made it a
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little more tame.
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So like maybe I, you know, talk about the grade school version a little bit than, rather
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than maybe make it a little bit more palatable.
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So I guess we're going to find out am I smarter than a fifth grader?
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Am I more emotionally mature than a fifth grader?
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Probably not.
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I feel like I know the answers, but we'll find out.
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Would you like to know what, Baxbakwalanuksiwe’ translates to?
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Yeah.
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Man eater at the north end of the world.
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Yeah, I had a feeling that it was going to be something that I wasn't going to be super
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psyched about, but.
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So I'm sending you the picture of him.
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Oh boy.
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This is Nightmare Fuel.
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No, this is Baxbakwalanuksiwe’.
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Listen, as someone who's worked in a lot of dental offices, that's not normal dentition.
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It's entirely too many teeth.
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A lot of teeth.
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A lot of mouths.
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A lot of weirdly placed mouths.
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Yeah.
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Are you seeing where all the mouths are placed?
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Yeah, they.
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So let's describe them a little bit.
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So he's kind of, they say, "Anthro."
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I can't say the word "anthro per-."
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Anthropomorphic?
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So they're anthropomorphic.
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We're just going to leave it with Caitlyn saying it.
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Anthropomorphic.
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So he kind of does have a human appearance.
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He's got like, you know, a torso, legs, head, mouths, arms, the nose.
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And is there any?
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Yeah, I don't think he has ears or eyes.
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Doesn't look like it because all of them are mouths.
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Where those should be.
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So he's pretty horrifying, terrifying.
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Caitlyn did say it correctly when she said nightmare fuel.
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Yeah.
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His entire body is covered in mouths.
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His butts amount, his lower back is a mouth.
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Yeah.
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His feet.
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His knees are a mouth.
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His knees, there's mouths placed randomly on his arms and legs and shoulders.
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He has a mouth where mouths go.
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Yeah.
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He does have that.
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He's also got like the plague doctor sort of like I think is that his nose?
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That's his nose.
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Yeah, and it's very cute.
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Okay.
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And it does have that nostril.
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So he can sniff you out.
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It is quite sizable in terms of nostril size.
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It does remind me of substance a little bit.
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The substance.
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Yes.
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The end of the substance.
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If you guys haven't seen that, go watch it.
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And then look at beautiful baba wallet oxy way here.
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Oh, right.
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Oh, and they also have him kind of compared that little pink picture looks like they're
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comparing him to a human.
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So he's a little bit bigger.
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Well, he's a lot of bit bigger than a human.
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He's a lot of bit bigger.
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Yeah.
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His nose is basically the size of a human.
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They describe his mouth as gaping snapping bloody.
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And his call is hap hap hap, which means eat or something along those lines in that
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language.
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Oh, and the way I read hap hap was not as a word.
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I read it as in it on a monopoeia like a no, I read it as like an on a monopoeia sound
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like.
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Oh, I was making it yapier.
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Yeah.
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Look at dog.
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I was I was trying to tone it down a little bit.
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Yeah, yours makes here's makes more sense in light of the visual, which is kind of funny
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speaking of dogs because my dog used to make the sound when she was like being pissy and
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irritate and a little shit to me.
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And she was like, talk back and she would go, well, maybe she's got a little little cannibal
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in her.
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Fuck.
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I mean, she did like to lick the tune nibble me.
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So maybe.
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Well, maybe she was a nibble or we talked about it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Among a few variations in the spelling, there are also a few variations in the translation.
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He who first ate man at the mouth of the river or he who first ate humans on the water.
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Okay.
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The and this is a quote, the ever more perfect manifestation of the essence of humanity.
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That's poetic as fuck.
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Yeah, but I mean, it's kind of words like creepy words salad, but ever more perfect manifestation
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of the essence of humanity is this like we're all just walking around with these giant mouths
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just wanting shit from everybody, just trying to eat up everybody.
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Just worried about ourselves.
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I mean, if you turn it into like a metaphor, sure, I'm just saying like if you go down to
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the base and it's like ever more perfect and we're talking about a cannibalistic creature.
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Yeah.
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Not that feels those are those are contradicting delios.
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Yeah.
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My dude.
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I don't think it can be true.
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You've said it.
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Those two things cannot cannot cannot can be true.
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Okay.
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I don't that's a qualifier that I don't know I've ever agreed to.
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Well, I think we should all just take that and like I was like a journal prompt and just
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like journal about this for a little while because I just I want to know what everyone thinks.
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Okay.
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Or simply man eater.
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He's a man.
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He is also known by one other name.
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This is the name that actually really drew me to him.
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Cannibal at the north end of the world.
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Listen, I want things to be kind of neat and tidy.
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You got to give it a little pop, but I like that.
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That's good.
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Cannibal at the north end of the world.
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That's the one.
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Yeah.
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It's like be descriptive, but don't be like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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You know, you need a leader, you know, it could mean several different things.
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Okay.
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Cannibal is very clear.
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This is true.
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I think, you know, it's eloquent in its brevity.
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He could be going Nelly Furtado on everyone's ass.
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Ooh.
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So Mr. Man's eater here is the villain of the Hamat’sa or Cannibal Dance, which is the first
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most important and infamous dances of the Seca ceremony.
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I probably didn't say that totally correctly because it's like the chaos of weird mouth
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feel and I don't.
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I didn't get it right.
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But yeah.
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Seca.
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Seca.
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Seca.
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Seca or something.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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No, that can be hard because like some languages do have like this.
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And mouth feel is exactly the right word for it.
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It's like when you speak French, but you don't do the, you know, yeah.
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Yes.
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And it's like the quah quah, K-walk has like a W at the end of it that's supposed to be
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like, oh, and you're like, I'm trying.
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I'm so close.
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And to oh my gosh.
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And I found a YouTube video where actually someone was pronouncing all of the words.
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So I was crying just so hard.
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And I'm like, you say it's so much better than me.
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Yeah.
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And I just get like, can you come on our podcast?
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It's right.
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No, but it's like it's very difficult to actually train your mouth to like hit the syllables
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in the police sometimes.
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Mouth words are hard.
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Mouth words are hard.
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Hey, you can do the research.
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You can do the research and sometimes in the moment, the words that you say, it's like
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you don't hit quite the right like intonation or pronunciation.
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I hope I'm doing it right.
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I just refresh right before this, but we'll see.
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Yeah.
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And here's the thing is I think that everybody knows you're taking the time.
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You are making the effort.
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And I think that's the most important thing.
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We do, we do try to nail it whenever possible, but you know, and if someone speaks the
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language, please come on our show.
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Please, I would love to talk to you.
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Yeah, though it'd be so cool.
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I love to, I love to actually hear people in their native, you know, language and like hear
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it how it's supposed to be said and not, you know, butchered by us.
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Yeah.
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I also have a lot of questions like a lot of questions.
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I can only imagine.
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Canada outlawed the ceremony in 1885 because naturally.
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All of the organizers didn't understand it and found it too disturbing.
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Kate, when the cannibalism, yeah, the cannibalism thing, yeah, they kind of didn't get it.
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Yeah.
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No, and biologically we're kind of supposed to not, we shouldn't do it.
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Right.
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Definitely probably shouldn't do it.
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No, you definitely shouldn't.
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You definitely shouldn't.
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Like if you're trying to, hey, we don't, we don't judge, you know, the people that had
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to do it.
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But we, sure, survival is one thing.
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I would say with cultural traditions, we can respect that that was the culture, but also
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understand that those are things that can actually make people like fatally ill.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, I'm not even talking about cultural cannibalism or anything like that.
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I'm just talking about like, you know, the donor pass or the donnor party or whatever, like
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people that just had to do it to survive.
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But that is kind of a big misunderstanding with this whole thing and we'll go on and
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I'll explain what the ceremony is all about.
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So they did attempt to kind of erase it from history and they wanted them to assimilate
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into their culture and just kind of erase their whole.
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See.
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Pass.
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Like if we're just trying to, you know, make people safe, that's one thing.
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Right.
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But the erasure of their culture, that's where it becomes like, yeah, it's giving colonization.
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And then once I explain it to, I think you're going to be like, wait, what?
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They just truly didn't get it.
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Oh, no.
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This is the story behind the Hamatsa ceremony and Baxbakwalanuksiwe’, the villain of the
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story.
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Four sons of the chief found the house of the man eater, Baxbakwalanuksiwe’.
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Oh, and of course they went inside, they checked it out.
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It's that part in the horror movie where they go down into the basement, you know?
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Right.
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I just, yeah.
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Well then once inside they realized that the creatures in there were trying to eat them.
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You don't say.
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Like, Baxbakwalanuksiwe’ was probably like, did you not see like the man eater sign?
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Like, you're in my house, dude.
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My door mat literally says man eater, turn back.
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It kind of reminds me of like, Hansel and Gretel.
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Yes.
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Where they find like the witch's house.
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Yeah.
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And then she wants to eat them.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's kind of a, it's a spin off.
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Did we like, did we cancel, Hansel and Gretel?
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Probably not.
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Did we outlaw that story?
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No.
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Well, maybe I'm not actually sure the history on that.
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We'll come back to it.
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Okay.
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Anyway, so they didn't want to get ate.
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So they ran and they got chased all the way home by Baba Wollanoxiewe.
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But they didn't make some obstacles along the way to slow him down.
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Hmm.
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So they made it home in time to warn their father, the chief.
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By the way, he was the chief.
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I don't know if you heard of him.
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The four sons of the chief.
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Princes, right?
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They would be princes.
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I don't know what chief sons are actually called, but in my mind, they're like spoiled little
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princes.
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Yeah.
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I could be totally wrong.
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I don't know what their title would be in a thin sense.
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It's fine.
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Someone let us know.
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They made it home in time to warn their father of what was like just coming right behind
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them.
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They're like, everybody should go.
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Oh.
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Yes.
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You brought this guy here to the village.
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Daddy, we fucked up.
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We don't fucked up.
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The chief greets the cannibal very politely and is like, hey, you want to kill my kids?
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Like, that's fine.
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But you should go back and like bring your wife and son with you so you can all just have
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a feast.
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Oh, in the fourth and fifth grade version, it kind of just says, you know, he nicely just
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told them, hey, go back and get your wife and kid and come back.
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He didn't mention anything about like, you can have my son.
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They're like worthless anyway.
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I don't need that.
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Oh, okay.
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That was another version of the story I found, but I thought that was really funny.
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No, that's what I'm getting like the spoiled prince vibe.
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Yeah.
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I will say I think I'm picturing the reaction of the spoiled princes and I'm just, I'm hearing
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them.
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We are so putting him in a home.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, dad, that is so fun.
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Seriously.
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But I think he was just kind of like trying to pull one over on Baxbakwalanuksiwe’
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Oh, yeah.
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I don't know why he, he listened to the chief.
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He's like, oh, yeah.
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My family could eat.
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Well, let's go get the wife and kid.
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Just probably get a bitch about dinner if I eat without her.
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Honestly, that's thoughtful of you.
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Can you imagine a little baby, Baba?
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I know.
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It would still be bigger than me.
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Not the mama.
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When he returns with his family, the chief invited him to sit on this beautiful new throne,
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like not a throne, but like it's just a nice seat.
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Like a guest seat, you know?
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Okay.
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But like here's my throne.
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You can be chief or anything.
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Just like a nice seat for him to sit in.
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It's like this, cause like a place of honor.
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Right.
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In their big, so I assume they don't need, they don't want like a normal human size chair.
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They probably want like a big chair, right?
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Yeah, that feels fair.
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Yeah.
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That's how I feel when I get on an airplane.
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I don't want this normal human size chair.
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I want first class size.
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So they built him a first class size plain seat.
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No, that's perfect.
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I love that.
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And they're all having kind of a good time.
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Telling stories, it was like, hey, since you're here, we'll tell you a bunch of stories from
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our history and our people.
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Love it.
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And you can just chill.
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And we'll entertain you.
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And then eventually the guests fall asleep.
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You know, I don't know if they were.
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They're having drinkies.
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They didn't really, it wasn't really clear in here, but the, the, the Bob is all fall asleep.
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Okay.
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I was, I was going to say the guests as in the, the manators.
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Yes, the manators.
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Great.
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Just needed to be real.
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The cannibals at the north end of the world at the, at the north pole.
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Cannibals at the north pole from Santa.
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Excellent.
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They're the labris.
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As they slut the four sons who was the bait basically to get them to come back here.
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They pulled apart the chairs, which were built specifically for the Boba family and underneath
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the chairs was a huge pit of boiling water.
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Oh, no.
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So when they pull the chairs right off from under their booties, they're sleeping little booties
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where they thought they were safe.
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They were having a good time party.
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They were, they were going to eat.
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They were going to have a great meal, but they ended up in a boiling pit of water.
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And they died.
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The whole family taken out in one night.
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That is tragic.
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It's like the red wedding all over again.
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That's what it totally reminded me of.
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Yeah.
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Like, hey, come over.
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We're going to have a good time.
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You want to hang out and our kingdom?
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Jokes on you, you're dead.
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Okay, so just a couple of thoughts notes.
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How is it that you can position a ginormous chair over a pit of boiling water and no one notices?
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Because I number one would have a very obvious sign atop my head that something in the atmosphere
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was changing.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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But I don't think the Bobbos have hair.
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They look hairless to me.
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So I mean, that's true.
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Did they not yield their butt mounds getting a little moist?
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Maybe it was a really deep pit.
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I don't know, but they built that was like part of the reason they wanted to get them out
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of there.
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Because like, they're like, we need to come up with a plan to kill these guys for sure.
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But build this pit while they're gone.
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Excellent, excellent work in what I have to assume was a very quick turnaround.
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And you know what, they're probably pretty moist because of all of those mounds.
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They're just walking humidifiers anyway.
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So they just couldn't tell.
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And they don't have eyes so they can't see.
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Okay, you know this about me.
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I don't have a problem with the word moist.
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What I do have, I take issue with erroneous moisture.
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I simply can't.
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I realize this shouldn't be the most upsetting part of the story, but I think I've just hit a wall.
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And it's just like fuck the boiling water.
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I'm done.
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I said, okay, she brought me cannibalism and then moisture.
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Well, I think I'm also going to fuck up your world a little bit more because there's more
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of the stories that I mean, I assumed it wasn't over yet.
23:09
So that's fine.
23:10
When the Baba family was murdered tragically in this horrible situation, backstabbing
23:20
manipulative bullshit.
23:23
Their ashes scattered to the wind, transforming into mosquitoes.
23:31
Okay, that I do believe, which is why mosquitoes bite and suck your blood.
23:38
Honestly, that for me, that tracks, except they fell into a pit full of boiling water.
23:46
So why would they touch ash?
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I don't know.
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Super natural.
23:50
For serious, if you are a native speaker, if you are someone who just has familiarity with
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the mythology, we have questions.
24:03
So many questions.
24:04
There was, it did say hot stones in boiling water.
24:07
Like maybe it was just hot stones and no water.
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And they were, or it just kept going.
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They had like a roaring fire and all of the water eventually just evaporated off.
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Maybe.
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And then, okay, wow, I'm really getting into this.
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I know.
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I'm very curious.
24:27
I was very curious to how the ash got into the sky from the water, but down in the pit
24:35
and it evaporated and all the ash evaporated into the clouds and then it rained.
24:40
Well, right, but I'm saying there wouldn't be ash if they were boiled to done.
24:44
I meant like they're okay, so maybe ash isn't the word.
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I'm thinking, okay, so their bodies disintegrated in the water, turned a sludge.
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The sludge was evaporated into the clouds and then rained down little mosquitoes.
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So I'm done.
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Oh my god.
24:59
Neither of those is good.
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I hate it.
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I hate it.
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It's all bad.
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Oh, and
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mosquitoes.
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I forgot.
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So you got a skin of a little bit of moisture and mosquitoes and that's three strikes.
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You are.
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It was your trifecta.
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No, no, no.
25:17
It honestly is.
25:18
It honestly is.
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Are there bees as well?
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No, there's no bees.
25:25
But after the death of the Baba family, the four sons went back to his house and they're
25:32
like, let's see if we can steal anything from the poor Baba family that we just murdered.
25:38
Well, sure.
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Yeah, they don't need their stuff anymore.
25:40
So I hate to see it go to waste.
25:44
So they go and they steal a mask of he had a raven there, which was like a man eating raven
25:53
pet that he had.
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Okay.
25:56
I think by virtue, all ravens can be man eating.
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Right.
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I know.
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Valley cheer if you're dead.
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Right.
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How hard are they trying?
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That's why I brought my product today.
26:08
Makes sense.
26:09
Makes sense.
26:10
They use the masks, these big old like bird beak masks in their ceremony to this day, the
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Hamatsa ceremony.
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So I'm going to describe the ceremony to you.
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This was like outlawed for a really long time, which thankfully it's been brought in
26:24
back and it didn't actually get a raise from history and people are still talking about
26:28
it and learning about it.
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And I'm going to tell you about it.
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And it is an initiation ceremony that has changed a lot over time.
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Obviously.
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In the past, the initiate would go into the woods for sometimes months, mommy, yeah, months
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and be possessed by Baba while in oxy way.
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Okay.
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Well, if you're alone in the woods, I mean, yeah, that'll do things to you.
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Well, you might get possessed by the spirit of a candle.
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Okay.
27:04
The initiate would return to their village in a highly erratic state, biting out and shouting
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"Happappapp."
27:12
And healers would have to catch him and call him.
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And was he just angry?
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Did he need a snickers?
27:20
He might have been angry, but they, I mean, they say he was possessed by Baba while in
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oxy way, the candle.
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And so they would like kind of do an exorcism on him, basically.
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They said the healers would calm him down, which I'm assuming is get the evil spirit out
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of him.
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Yeah.
27:39
They got a cleanse, the evil out of a bricky Bobby.
27:41
And now, obviously, all of this is done symbolically.
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They don't actually send someone out to the woods for months to get possessed.
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Oh, wait.
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So that doesn't happen anymore?
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No.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
27:57
That's fair.
27:58
What is the PTO for that?
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I know, right?
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And I think this is kind of why it got outlawed because they were seeing kind of part of it
28:05
and kind of getting part of the story.
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And they're like, these people are just getting possessed and eating people like what is going
28:11
on.
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But no, they weren't actually eating anybody.
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They didn't know.
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Perform cannibalism in these ceremonies.
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The ceremony was because they're tried, defeated, a monster.
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It gets all about them defeating this big bad monster in the woods and doing a celebration
28:31
about it.
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Okay.
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So this is like the British Columbia First Nations version of the Satanic Panic.
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Kind of.
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Yeah.
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My pearls.
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Right.
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Like, look at them acting out and talking about cannibal.
28:51
We just don't understand.
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We're too white.
28:54
Okay.
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So literally the only cannibalism is only so far like defeated.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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The mythological creature from the legend and the culture and which was basically explaining
29:09
why mosquitoes exist.
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Yeah.
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Which that feels fair because honestly, it makes sense.
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I don't have a better explanation.
29:17
I was also being kind of silly about like, oh, they murdered this family of cannibalistic
29:23
monsters.
29:24
I was being a little silly about that.
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Secious.
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Yeah.
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And I didn't, I kind of want to bring that up because I'm like, wait, I don't want them
29:31
to think I'm trying to bash their, what they're actually celebrating here in this very
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beautiful ceremony with these beautiful bird masks and like carved hand carved and other
29:44
regalia and music and dances that just celebrate this story from their history.
29:51
So I just sort of put that out there.
29:52
I wasn't like making fun of them or anything.
29:55
Yeah.
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I just get silly.
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Yeah.
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You're like, this is, I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
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How you say sarcasm?
30:02
Yeah.
30:03
Kind of the kind of, but then I'm also like, I have that thing in me that like wants to root
30:08
for the thing everyone is scared of too.
30:10
So I'm always trying to figure out like that guy and like, hey, he has a wife and kids
30:16
like, is he that?
30:18
Well, that's so to BTK.
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Oh, the thing that doesn't mean nothing.
30:25
I also had a thought is Bob a well and oxy way actually a cannibal because he's not human.
30:33
Yes.
30:34
Oh my God.
30:35
That has been bothering me so much this whole time because I was like, or are we the
30:39
same species?
30:40
Yeah.
30:41
And I looked, I mean, I looked up the definition of cannibal and it says, you know, eating your own
30:47
kind.
30:48
So I don't know.
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Maybe they, maybe they had a different word that just doesn't quite translate into English.
30:58
Yeah.
30:59
Like, maybe they don't actually mean cannibal.
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I don't know.
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But they could.
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Yeah.
31:04
Or maybe there's some sort of a like, you know, Spider-Man, well, I mean, he was Peter then,
31:11
but you know when he gets big, like origin story.
31:14
Like origin story.
31:15
Yes, origin story.
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Yeah.
31:17
But they do, I mean, they call him like a man eater and stuff.
31:20
So I mean, maybe they're coming from the fact that they're men and he's kind of manlike.
31:26
Like he has manlike mouths and things.
31:29
A lot of manlike mouths, mouths of those.
31:33
So if we're going to put it back into like Peter Parker terms, and I think we should, because
31:38
it's a fun thought experiment right now.
31:41
This is sort of what I pictured when I had like a occupational exposure in a dental office.
31:50
I'm like, that's what's going to happen to me.
31:52
I'm just going to be a guy with mouths all over like radiation.
31:56
No, I mean, I like, I wasn't exposed to like radioactive toxic goo or anything.
32:02
Just like other people's cooties.
32:05
So.
32:06
Oh, okay.
32:07
That's good.
32:08
I was like kind of worried about you for a second.
32:09
I'm like, wait, you were well, but radiation is in like X-rays and stuff.
32:13
So that's not that weird.
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Exactly.
32:15
Well, are you ready to do some tarot?
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Yeah.
32:18
I think I need like a 10 second like head star on tarot.
32:24
Are you running?
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Yeah.
32:26
Are you running from Baba while in oxy ways?
32:29
You can get to your father in time to warn him so you can make a trap.
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Yeah, he's a pretty long walk to Florida.
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So that's true.
32:37
Yeah.
32:38
Okay.
32:39
So I have shuffled a ton.
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And then I'm going to put my mic down because I don't have a mic stand.
32:51
So Caitlin's going to talk while I pick the card.
32:54
So she's fanning out the deck very, I would say dramatically.
32:59
I think she's fingering it right now.
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Baba while in oxy ways.
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It was me.
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I will not.
33:07
It's it.
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Baba.
33:09
Is that still right?
33:10
I thought it was Bach Bach.
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Oh, Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach, Baba.
33:12
Okay.
33:13
So I, yeah, so I was saying Baba, I meant Bach Bach because they did find the first pronunciation
33:25
I found because it was a struggle before I found the videos.
33:29
They were saying Baba.
33:30
So Baba while in oxy way.
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Which is so clear.
33:35
Because I might say Bach's back.
33:37
But I wouldn't just say Baba.
33:39
B-A-X based on the standard spelling.
33:42
They sound like they knew what they were talking about.
33:44
They said like that's what the sound makes in this language.
33:47
So I was like, all right, you must be right.
33:49
And then I found someone actually saying it.
33:51
So I, I'm going to go with the person who was actually saying it, who I could tell was
33:56
from like a native speaker.
33:58
Culture?
33:59
So sorry, yes.
34:01
Let's see it right.
34:02
Bach Bach while in oxy way.
34:05
I do realize too I was saying the Baba family.
34:07
I'm at the Bach Bach family when I shortened it.
34:09
Because I think when I went through and changed my pronunciations, I missed a couple.
34:14
So sorry, it's Bach Bach, not Baba.
34:17
We got just the imagery of it.
34:20
It is the seven of ones.
34:24
And it is a bird up on a cliff.
34:27
Interesting.
34:28
Okay.
34:29
It reminded me of the pit of boiling water.
34:32
Oh.
34:33
Because like at the bottom.
34:34
There's like birds kind of, there doesn't, doesn't look like they're falling into a pit,
34:38
but they're kind of beautiful.
34:39
Yeah, I mean, you could interpret the image that way.
34:42
Okay, so that's interesting because I will say just based on just pure vibes, I would have
34:50
expected maybe some sort.
34:53
Right.
34:54
Some teeth by maybe one of the major arcana.
34:58
But we got ones.
34:59
So seven of ones.
35:02
The crow tries to defend his territory at the top of the mountain.
35:06
The approaching crows below are all too eager to knock him down and take his spot.
35:11
This card is a reminder that although you've made it, you must not be complacent as there
35:17
will be those who believe your position should be theirs.
35:21
The seven of ones ask that you remain self-confident and have courage when facing challenges.
35:27
It won't always be easy at the top that you've earned the right to be there.
35:31
Okay.
35:32
I mean, I don't know.
35:34
It was all about defeating a monster.
35:36
I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
35:39
Have courage facing the challenges.
35:40
They had to like hide performing their sacred.
35:43
Like this was like one of the most sacred ceremonies they have and they got outlawed.
35:48
Like they could go to prison for performing it.
35:52
So like they had to find a way to keep that alive while it was outlawed and then like bring
35:58
it back to life later on so that their future ancestors could still have it.
36:03
I don't know what you call that.
36:04
Right.
36:05
Yeah.
36:06
No.
36:07
I mean, you're progeny.
36:08
Yeah.
36:09
Yeah.
36:10
God.
36:11
Why people suck.
36:12
They're right.
36:13
It's wrong with us, you guys.
36:14
Well, okay.
36:15
So here's the thing is I say that because it's funny.
36:20
It's colonized.
36:23
And oppressors suck.
36:24
Right.
36:25
Sometimes I know we say that and we kind of assume that you all know what we mean.
36:31
Just to clarify, feels weird to start doing it now at four years in, but you know.
36:36
I don't care.
36:37
Fuck them.
36:38
Love you guys.
36:39
Yeah.
36:40
Caleb, you bye.
36:41
Okay.
36:42
So our keywords are courage fighting for what you believe in and facing challenges.
36:49
Wow.
36:50
Do I even need to read the rest?
36:55
Yeah.
36:56
Like the whole story of Baba will knock, knock, knock, see way in like the four sons and
37:02
the chief just saying, feels like it's pretty on the note.
37:08
When the seven of wands appears in a reading, you may need to stand up for yourself and
37:13
fight for what you believe in.
37:16
You can't confront you, but you possess the resources to succeed.
37:20
They did.
37:21
They put all those obstacles in the way they built a trap.
37:25
Yeah.
37:26
They have those fancy chairs that nobody can feel the moisturizing up their bungholes.
37:35
I think of this as the don't give up card.
37:39
Wow.
37:40
Immediately, I was like, I give up because cannibalism.
37:47
You have to understand it.
37:49
Then it's not so scary.
37:50
Well, the monster part still scary.
37:51
That's why they killed us.
37:54
I feel like it's very representative of a lot of things that feel very real right now.
38:02
You just have to understand how to defeat the beast.
38:07
When this card appears, you may need to fend off competitors or enemies to achieve your
38:12
objective.
38:14
Even if the challenges are formidable, you can overcome them.
38:19
The seven encourages you to stay strong and focus your will to win the struggle.
38:24
Wow.
38:25
Yeah.
38:26
Like that literally keeps saying it, but that's what that whole like initiation ceremony
38:30
is about.
38:31
I mean, it really is.
38:33
Yeah.
38:34
When you're reading about money, this card tells you to hold firm in a financial matter, even
38:38
if things appear difficult, a present, avoid arguments about money or possessions.
38:44
So maybe don't let your dad over here.
38:48
That thing about we are so putting him in a home.
38:52
Right.
38:53
Because he didn't mean it.
38:54
He was just using them as bait.
38:55
Yeah.
38:56
For sure, Z's.
38:57
Oh my God, you're going to absolutely shit when I get to the extra excerpt, I think.
39:03
I'm eating my fingers right now.
39:05
I'm cannibalizing myself.
39:06
I'm so glad I could help.
39:10
Interbreeding about work, the upright seven advises holding your ground.
39:15
Try to keep your spirits up and don't show weakness.
39:19
Oh, whoa.
39:20
Keep working diligently for what you want.
39:23
Don't let other people distract you.
39:26
Yeah.
39:27
Don't at the Bach Bach family.
39:30
They got distracted by all the nice stories and the nice seating and they just got so cozy
39:36
and they went right.
39:37
Nine, nine.
39:38
Interbreeding about love, this card recommends trying to work things out with a partner instead
39:44
of swabbling.
39:45
Maybe about your dinner plan.
39:48
Go get your wife the first time and the shit wouldn't happen.
39:51
I don't know, maybe.
39:53
She'd probably be smarter and be like, um, yeah, we're just going to eat right now.
39:57
I've got some things on this.
39:59
Um, it may seem easier to just give up, but if you keep a positive attitude, you can resolve
40:06
difficulties.
40:07
Okay.
40:08
When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.
40:16
Hang on.
40:17
They should have had a rope to pull them out of the boiling pit of water.
40:25
It's an FDR quote.
40:26
Oh, front of the pot.
40:29
Yeah, front of the pot, obviously.
40:31
I just love that this was all about like a cultural, like story and like, you know, the mythology
40:41
and not about actual cannibalism.
40:44
Yeah.
40:45
Because I've been eating dinner yet and I wouldn't do you that dirty.
40:50
You, you guys, I am not kidding.
40:53
And I say that she has been building this up for at minimum a week and she made it sound
40:58
like I was never going to sleep or eat again.
41:01
And I wasn't sure which or why.
41:04
I mean, I am pretty 100% sure that you're going to have a nightmare about Mr. Teathman.
41:10
Now, the teacher really bothered me as much as you would think.
41:16
Honestly, for some people, listen, if if if teeth are in any way for you uncomfortable,
41:25
maybe don't look up the the visual.
41:31
Please look at it.
41:32
Please go to the sources and look at it.
41:35
It's only uncomfortable when it's in like the context of like this man eating beast, I
41:42
think.
41:43
Yeah.
41:44
Well, upsetting and troubling either way, I should clarify that it's it's upsetting looking.
41:51
It's unsettling.
41:54
But yeah, no, like, let's be clear.
41:57
The no no for me here is cannibalism not the real cannibalism.
42:02
Yeah, yeah.
42:03
No, the teeth are like whatever I've seen.
42:06
Listen.
42:07
I've seen so many teeth have so many things done to them, including just yank and a
42:14
mouth.
42:15
You're not going to get me that way.
42:18
But that's just a lot of mouths.
42:19
I mean, we talked about it.
42:20
It's so all that all that moisture.
42:22
Do you think he has wisdom teeth?
42:24
Walking humidifier.
42:25
Yeah, I think so.
42:26
That's all I have for cannibals this time.
42:30
Wow.
42:31
Have a creepy ass day.
42:35
Okay.
42:36
Unless you're off.
42:40
Be a cannibal.
42:41
I don't know.
42:42
I'm sure you're vegan.
42:43
I'm a vegan cannibal.
42:46
Is that a thing?
42:50
That can't be a thing.
42:52
You know, I'm a little sure of plan.
42:54
Oh, we wink.
42:57
Anyway, should we say goodbye?
43:00
Because we're not really talking.
43:01
Oh fuck.
43:02
Yeah, that's true.
43:03
Yeah, we should probably stop recording.
43:04
Well, we have to say goodbye.
43:06
Oh, fuck, we didn't say goodbye.
43:08
No, that's why we're still recording.
43:10
Oh, Jesus.
43:11
I wish you wouldn't let me go on about pineapple and steaming like that.
43:15
What are you going to do?
43:17
What are you going to do?