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Upright Christian Parenting - Treehouse Storytelle... - Unfiltered: Should We Rethink School AND Sunday School? GUEST Sam Sorbo · Christian Mix 106 On Demand

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  Hey friends, welcome to the Upright Christian Parenting Podcast,
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  season four, part of the Treehouse Storyteller family, and I'm your host, Hannah Peru.
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  This is your place for upright parenting in today's sideways culture.
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  We don't tiptoe around hard truths around here. We tackle cultural issues head
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  on, build a bold biblical worldview, and equip you to lead your flock with courage.
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  Our kids are being discipled by something, so let's make sure it's us.
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  Grab your coffee, lace up your shoes and let's raise kingdom arrows.
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  Hey everyone, welcome back to Upright Christian Parenting. This is an episode
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  you are not going to want to miss.
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  We are going to be squeezing gold today out of my guest.
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  Today I have a parent and educational freedom fighter.
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  I have a best-selling author. I have an award-winning filmmaker,
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  international speaker, and host of The Sam Sorbo Show.
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  Welcome to the treehouse, Sam.
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  Thanks. Squeezing gold sounds a little painful.
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  Well, I just know you're going to have all those crazy, amazing,
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  just little like word sandwiches that are just going to be amazing for us to run with.
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  And I've got a lot of mama listeners and a lot of parents that listen.
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  And I know that you have mentored to me in ways that you don't even know.
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  And I'm sure you've mentored to thousands, if not millions.
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  And I just, I want my listeners to feel that as well. Well, that's awesome.
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  Thank you for saying that. I appreciate it.
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  Yeah, yeah. So we got to sit down together at National Religious Broadcasters
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  and we got to share seats on the same panel, which was truly an honor to do that with you.
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  We were with the Washington Post Institute Women in Media panel.
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  And that was just phenomenal. A highlight of my week to be able to do that with you.
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  And again, just things that you said were, you know, just full of wisdom.
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  Well, likewise, you brought a very special element to the panel,
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  as did all the panelists, frankly.
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  It was really a pleasure to sit among them and to be able to feed off of each other for the audience.
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  And I think the audience really appreciated it, too. We were focused on AI and
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  the ramifications of AI for children in particular, for education,
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  and for also filmmaking and entertainment.
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  But of course, for me, everything devolves into education. Yeah.
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  Yeah. No, it was, it was wonderful. You know, I just, I, I love,
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  you know, I think it was, it was several years ago.
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  I listened to an interview with you and I don't remember, I can't remember for
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  the life of me what show it was on now.
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  But some of your claims, I just really love your boldness.
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  I love your ability to just speak
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  truth, no matter the consequence and no matter what you're up against.
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  I mean, you are just, so if there is someone that just really is a perfect picture
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  of standing firm in today's culture, that's you.
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  And so I'm just really thankful that you're on the podcast today.
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  And I like to say upright parenting in today's sideways culture.
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  And that's truly what you've been doing. You've been upright parenting in our
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  sideways culture and exposing all the sideways and upside down ways that we're
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  up against as parents. So, you know, I just, I really appreciate that.
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  So I want to dive in. I want to talk education. I want to talk AI.
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  I want to talk about the school system. I want to talk about homeschool.
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  You just want to hit all the minds in the field. All the things.
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  I want to really just get your current take on so much that's going on around us.
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  And I kind of am starting to see, you know, we had 2020 happen,
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  obviously. And so many parents went, oh, get them out of school.
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  And there was kind of this exodus.
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  I still am seeing an exodus where I live. We are in Jefferson County, Colorado.
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  If you're not familiar, we have hit almost every...
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  Uh, you know, possible, I feel like every couple of months we hit national news
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  for some degree. So, you know, we, we were on the news.
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  Um, I can't remember if it was last year or the year before.
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  I think it's been a couple of years now where the little girl climbs into bed
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  at camp and finds out very quickly, Oh, I'm in bed with a little boy and not
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  another girl. This is a biological boy that I've been placed with.
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  The school system did a terrible job of dealing with that, dealing with her,
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  dealing with the parents. It was horrendous.
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  They really took the side of the boy and just really sad.
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  And then from there, it's just been like every couple months,
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  it was our school district that had a shooting at almost the exact same time
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  that Charlie was shot on September 10th.
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  And ever since then, we've not changed. It's still one thing after another,
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  whether it's school safety.
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  But it tends to be we're hiring the scum of the earth that are coming after our kids.
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  And if you were a pedophile, where would you go to find children? Exactly.
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  Exactly. Yes.
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  You go to the place where the children are. And, you know, we're really,
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  really seeing that in our county. And we're seeing,
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  a lack of accountability, a lack of change. The leadership, obviously, is corrupt from the top.
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  And so my point in saying all of that is to really acknowledge,
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  you know, we saw this exodus from schools.
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  Our county is still like, oh, goodness, this has not changed.
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  We're still seeing, you know, people pulling their kids out, which is great.
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  But I am starting to see more people going, well, you know, COVID's over time
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  to get them back in schools.
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  So are you, are you seeing kind of that, um, across the country and what would you speak to that?
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  Like has really anything changed or gotten any better? Well, okay.
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  A couple of things. First of all, I think it's Colorado. There's a,
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  there's a young dad who has come forward to, uh, to push back against the sex
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  curriculum that is in his son's kindergarten class.
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  And to talk about that for just a minute, because I look, people are making
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  their own decisions regarding school, whether they want their kids in school.
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  But there is definitely a trend of parents who at least are considering,
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  if not outright just pulling their kids out, they're at least considering homeschooling.
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  They're at least considering it.
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  And and I talk to a lot of them. In fact, I because I do counseling, I do coaching and stuff.
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  And I've got one couple that I've been talking to, and he said,
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  well, you know, my kid is six years old, so he'll be going into first grade.
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  And, you know, I figure for the first couple years, I mean, really,
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  where's the harm? Like, it'll probably be fine. But then later on,
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  you know, for the academics, you know, I want to make sure that whatever.
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  And I'm trying to impress upon people. Children are intensely vulnerable and innocent.
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  And innocence is lost once. You don't get a second shot.
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  You don't get to reclaim your innocence to use it again later.
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  So if a child's innocence is punctured at a very young age, that is damaging
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  for the rest of their lives.
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  So I sent this gentleman the videos that this young dad had made up in Colorado
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  about the sex education.
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  Now, mind you, I don't want to get too graphic. I'm not quite sure where your audience is.
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  But we have the v words both of them um the p word um e like,
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  all the words big fat sexualized words that they're giving to kindergarten lubrication
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  is one of them like that they are giving to kindergartners.
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  In order to make the children think about sex in order to um.
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  Groom them. It's actually grooming is what it is. Because when you expose children
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  to sexualized images, sexualized content, it's actually the first step in grooming
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  them to be trafficked, really.
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  And that's what we're seeing. And yes, it goes as young as kindergarten.
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  It's probably also in the preschools because let's face it, these institutions
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  are hiring a bunch of perverts.
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  And the perverts don't, they're like the younger, the better.
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  That's what the perverts are.
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  I'm sure your audience knows that Kinsey was the doctor who basically is responsible
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  for our sex ed curriculum that we've implemented in our schools.
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  And he did experiments on infants and climaxing. Infants.
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  That's a pervert. I don't like, let's stop mincing our words.
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  And of course, this is the problem that we're in is, is we've lost our language
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  to the degree where they can say things,
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  that, that, uh, I think, I think actually you just used a word,
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  um, unintentionally that, that they would use.
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  I can't remember what it was, but say they've changed the definition of the word proficient.
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  So proficiency in, for instance, the state of Ohio is if you score at least
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  36% on a test. Now, to most of us, 36% is worse than failing.
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  It's like, well, clearly you don't know anything at 36%.
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  But for the state of Ohio, they've changed their definition of proficiency so
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  that they can claim that children who are abjectly failing are proficient.
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  And even then, they only reach, you know, 40% proficiency.
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  Wow. That means nothing. Like, it means there's no learning going on.
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  And so my message really to parents is, if you want your children to get an
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  education, they shouldn't go to school. Yeah.
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  That's just first and foremost. So let's regroup.
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  Let's get ourselves a good definition of education because most parents don't
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  give it very much thought. They just think, well, school will educate them.
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  That's the same thing. It's not at all the same thing. And so if you take a
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  step back and you say, okay, I want my children to be educated.
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  Well, what does that mean?
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  What is the goal of education?
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  And the goal of education is to help form a fully formed human being,
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  somebody who can't give, knows how to give, knows how to forgive,
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  knows how to accept, knows how to be kind, knows how to be considerate,
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  like a real human being, not just somebody who can spout numbers and figures and historical facts.
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  That's all kind of extraneous. That academic portion is extraneous to the actual
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  education of a child, which is the upbringing of a child, a child who can perform as an adult.
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  We have children graduating college who don't know how to, we have a new word for it, adults.
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  They don't adulting is foreign to them oh i'm adulting now i have to learn how
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  to write a check you know yeah because nobody's teaching them those things the
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  schools certainly aren't
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  and now the schools aren't even teaching them the academics which we used to
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  revere as like the be-all and end-all if you could recite,
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  every president from you know from washington to current day you you were really
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  smart and that was something it's meaningless if you really think about it.
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  I mean, it's good to know the presidents, nothing wrong with that,
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  but it's more important that you know how to grieve, that you know how to help somebody grieve. Yeah.
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  The real life stuff, that you know how to love, that you know how to be loved.
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  Those are important things because success is not defined by your money.
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  Yeah. Success is defined by relationship. Yeah. No, that's good. That's good.
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  You know, you, you've talked about, um, this idea I'm trying to make sure I
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  remember the word, but you can tell me what you call it. Just kind of,
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  is it not unschooled, but self-taught or self-learner?
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  Self-taught or self-learner. Can you explain that?
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  Yeah, so I don't like the word homeschool because it implies that it is school at home.
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  Yeah, and I'm trying to get us to divorce ourselves from the idea that school
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  is beneficial because school actually is abusive.
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  There are very few children who really thrive in the school setting. Most of us were bullied.
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  I think 90% of children report being bullied either by a peer or another student or a teacher.
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  At least once, okay? What was your education growing up? I went public school all the way. Me too.
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  And I was considered a very good student, although I couldn't take tests. I had high anxiety.
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  So school is a very anxious place for many, many children. Yeah.
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  And so we have to get away from this idea that school somehow,
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  and by the way, this is a, it's a metric that we've just sort of adopted as
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  a culture because school is, and it's the norm.
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  And so if you're not going to school, you're the abnormal one, right?
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  Because of that, we have personalized our failures and corporatized our success.
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  And so we think school is successful.
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  And if I didn't do well, that's on me.
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  It's just my personal, I just couldn't hack it. I just wasn't available.
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  I couldn't, you know, it didn't work for me.
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  But it's my fault. That's why you'll have people say, well, I can't do math.
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  I don't have a math brain.
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  That's my problem. It's my brain. It's my fault.
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  Our model of providing a Christian liberal arts education to those facing economic
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  hardship hasn't wavered since 1906.
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  Our students graduate debt-free through our work education program.
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  They learn how to live a life guided by their faith.
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  And as they begin their careers, they've learned how to take their seat at the
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  table of influence and open the door of opportunity for others.
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  Being an assistant principal has allowed me to pour into kids the way that people
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  have poured into me and open up doors and opportunities to things that they didn't know were going.
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  But if they succeed in something, it's entirely due to the success of the school. My teacher was great.
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  I really excelled in this one
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  thing, and that was awesome. And I loved my school because of that, right?
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  And I'm trying to turn that on its head.
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  I'll tell you a quick story. I tutored a young woman in math.
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  I'm a math person. I love math.
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  And I excelled in math in school. And so I tutored calculus when I got to college.
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  And I was tutoring this young woman. And she came to me with, she was failing.
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  She said, listen, if you can just tutor me to get a D minus,
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  my professor has promised that he won't fail me and I won't have to take this again.
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  I went to Duke University, and kids that got into Duke were no slouches.
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  Like, she's got something going on, so sure, I'll take her on.
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  And I tutored her to a B-plus on her final exam. Wow. I tutored her the whole
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  semester of calculus in the matter of a few weeks, and she got a B-plus on the
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  exam because I knew how to explain it to her.
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  And her professor couldn't take the time, and he didn't care.
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  And so he just breathed failure over her and condemned her with his words,
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  unwittingly, but callously, at least.
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  And so he wrote her after she took the final and he said, I've never seen such
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  improvement in a student. Well, no, not if you're telling them that they're
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  failures, that there's no hope for them.
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  Of course, you haven't seen that kind of improvement, right?
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  And so my point is, if you think you're bad at math, that's because you had a bad teacher.
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  But we don't flip the table.
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  I was very blessed. I had a mother who stood up for me.
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  And so when they put me in advanced math in fourth grade, I was in fourth grade.
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  They put me in fifth grade math.
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  I started failing. And they said, we're going to have to move her back.
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  And my mother was like, well, let's have a meeting first. And we went to the meeting.
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  And I remember I was there and the teacher was late and he walked in the room
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  and he walked up to my mother and he said, hello, I'm Mr. Ruggs.
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  And she saw me out of the corner of her eye. I was just sitting there like...
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  Because his voice was so loud. It gave me such anxiety. I could not think.
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  I could not perform in his classroom.
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  She said immediately, I think I know what the problem is.
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  So they moved me up to sixth grade. Wow.
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  And got me out of his class. Wow. Now, I was in school, but I did have a mom
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  who kind of fought for me.
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  She was involved. These days, the parents are absolutely not involved.
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  They're not invited in. They are unwanted.
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  They are not even accepted to speak at school board meetings.
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  If you disagree, the school board will actually come after you.
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  They'll sick their lawyers after you. They'll make your life a living hell.
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  And so we've reached this point where we are now fighting for custody of our
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  children with our government.
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  It's a very dangerous place that we're in.
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  And so I'm encouraging parents, just for the sake of the safety of your children,
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  for the custody of your children, so that you can retain the rights that you
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  have to parent your children, take them out, take them away from the state.
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  Do not allow the state to get their closet.
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  And by the way, the more parents, we're seeing this now, the more parents that
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  are doing this, now we're seeing the laws coming where the government is saying,
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  well, we need to do well checks on the children.
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  Yeah. Well, you never did well checks before. You don't do them before the age of five.
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  What is it that all of a sudden, as of the age of five, kindergarten,
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  it's important that the government does a well check in my house? No, I don't think so.
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  Or, no, if you want to homeschool your children, this is in the state of Illinois,
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  that has 30% proficiency. And remember my definition of proficiency, right?
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  They're only a 30%.
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  They want to pass a law that says that every parent who homeschools has to have a college degree.
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  Well, what's, like, who said that? Like, what's, why is that a metric?
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  Right, right. Well, probably because then the parent has been somewhat indoctrinated.
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  Oh, you know it. Oh, you know it, right? If you flip it around,
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  you always look at the, like, ulterior motives.
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  Yeah, and it's a deterrent. And by the way, how are you going to prove that
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  you have a college degree? Like, then you have to jump through those hoops.
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  And a lot of parents are just going to say, take my kid.
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  It's not worth it. This is very sad. this is the death of the family.
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  That's another argument that I make for keeping your children home and educating them yourself.
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  And by the way, you don't stay home. You take them with you.
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  Right. They go everywhere.
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  Exactly. Exactly. No, that's, that's what we do.
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  I've got three and I'm, I have a fourth living with us right now.
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  So it's just, that is what we do. We homeschool and we go all over the place
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  and they have that adult experience and you put them to work.
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  Right exactly and they get responsibility and they and they cherish that because
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  little kids you know what they want to be they want to be adults and so if you
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  can treat them more like the the
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  little adults that they really are right yeah then then they will grow into
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  real adults good adults yeah because you're giving them practice,
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  they get to practice we infantilize children when we send them to school.
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  We keep them infantilized and too young and immature. We keep them immature.
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  We never had adolescence before. Did you know that?
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  We actually, our culture in this era has created this term adolescence.
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  It used to be that at the age of 12, you became a man.
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  And by the way, you went off to Harvard fluent in Latin, Greek, and English.
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  And you know like that was that was way back when there were no schools,
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  just saying yeah so do you think that the school system has always been set
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  up to work against the family and work against kind of take our children like
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  the government taking them like where do you think the root of it,
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  um really started what was the motive there.
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  Okay. So it's kind of a slippery edge to be on.
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  Initially, we had the one-room schoolhouse. And the one-room schoolhouse was
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  parents got together and they
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  hired a young person who could teach their children to read and to write.
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  And maybe some ciphering, maybe a little bit of math.
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  And that was like half days for you know a few months a year basically because
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  the parents were paying out of their pocket to get a tutor to to show their
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  kids a little bit of stuff so that the parents could,
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  focus on other things and that kind of made sense because it's not bad to have
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  an outside an outside influence for a little bit as long as you are not uh ceding
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  your authority, which is what happens when you drop your children off at school.
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  Um, and so, so initially it was just a community getting together to,
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  to solve a small issue and getting it taken care of.
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  But then the corporations came in the, the, and the individuals who saw opportunity.
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  And for instance If you can train people To just do menial labor You'll have
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  a factory worker for life.
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  So let's make the schools a little bit more like factories, train the kids to
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  move at the sound of a bell. That would be helpful.
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  Like if you really think about it. So that's when the schools started to go off the rails.
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  And then the Frankfurt School and the ideologues came in and said,
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  well, we can shift the whole culture if we convince children that socialism
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  is good, capitalism is bad,
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  all of those other ideologies, right?
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  And so that's where we are now. And it's gone rampant because they started at the teaching colleges.
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  So now all the teachers, even the teachers in the little private schools,
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  to some degree, have been brainwashed in this manner of thinking.
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  And we see it in our churches, too, sadly.
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  I was actually going to get there, so I'm glad you brought that up.
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  I'm always ahead of the curve.
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  You are. You are. I know you have strong opinions about Sunday school.
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  I'd love to hear them again. Yeah, I don't believe in Sunday school.
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  I don't think you off. I mean, of all the things to, what's the word,
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  to have somebody else take care of.
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  The spiritual upbringing of your child should be absolutely last on your list. Yeah. Okay?
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  And by the way, nothing against Sunday school teachers. They're wonderful people.
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  But even if you know nothing about the Bible, the very best thing that you can
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  do for your child is read the Bible together every day.
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  Yeah. And I don't mean for hours at a time. I mean 15, 20 minutes.
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  Yeah. Get yourself an annotated Bible and just start reading.
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  And parents say to me, but I don't know how to read the Bible.
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  And I, well, there's a really good book that'll teach you how to read the Bible.
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  It's called the Bible and it will teach you how to read it.
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  It's the only book that works that way. I mean, it's not to mention the Holy
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  Spirit will get involved.
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  Right. And so when you go to church and you say, this is mommy and daddy church
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  and this is kitty church, you're denigrating your own religion.
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  Your child wants to be you. You should show them how to be you all the time.
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  That includes how to sit in a pew.
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  This is what adults do. Now you know.
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  And when they're really young, you bring their little matchbox cards or a little
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  coloring book or something so that they can occupy themselves and not get too rowdy.
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  And you train them. We've lost this ability to train our children because we
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  were not trained. Our parents weren't trained. This is generational now.
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  The damage the schools have done to the family unit.
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  But if you just take a step back and say, okay, I want to have a relationship
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  with my children for the rest of my life.
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  The best way to go about that is to not, basically not let them out of your
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  sight, basically. Like, basically, just keep them with you.
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  That is the best way to ensure that you will build a lifelong relationship with your child.
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  And so every opportunity that you have, the question is, can I bring my kid
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  along or is it really not a good idea?
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  And in most cases, it's a good idea.
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  But I'll tell you a quick story. When we first brought our firstborn to go out
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  to dinner, he was so rowdy.
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  He just wanted to get up and run around, right? He'd never been to a restaurant
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  before. He had no idea what was in store. When the food came,
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  he sat down and ate because he was like, oh, this is awesome. I like food, right?
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  So on the way home, my husband, who was like embarrassed because we had a rowdy
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  kid and it was a bit tough, he
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  said, well, I guess that's the last time we'll go out to eat for a while.
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  And I said, au contraire, we
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  will be going out to dinner tomorrow night because that's being a child.
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  Yeah. And we did. And we went out and it went much better.
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  So the training has to happen like right away, just like the discipline has
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  to happen right away. You don't say, wait till your dad gets home.
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  You say, wow, that was a very bad thing you did. And I'm sorry that you did
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  that because now I have to punish you.
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  Yeah. And the punishment is... Yeah, there's almost more common sense with... Sorry.
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  Yeah, go ahead. There's almost more common sense with a pet.
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  I think of how much people know, oh, if the dog can't walk on a leash,
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  we have to keep walking it. We have to train it.
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  But then if a kid can't do something, they quit so easily and divert to a whole
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  different, oh, I guess we can't do that. I guess we can't go out. I guess we can't.
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  So it's funny. We have to have that repetitious training, and you can't disciple
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  someone if they're not with you.
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  Because our schools have not taught us discernment or analytics or really anything of use.
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  And I'm talking about you and me, like because we went to school.
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  And the school basically distracted us from what's real and gave us a bunch of false stuff.
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  And maybe not false, but just, you know, unuseful stuff. Fashion figures and stuff like that.
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  We no longer analyze or think properly.
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  So when people say, but what about socialization?
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  The reason that they say that is because they assume children learn how to make
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  friends in school, but they don't.
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  They learn how to make friends by accident, and they happen to be in school as they learn it.
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  But unfortunately, they don't learn it very well because they don't have any guidance.
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  But if you keep your children with you, you can guide them in the friend-making
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  process, and they can learn better how to form friendships and how to pursue those friendships.
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  And so when you know sally said something nasty about uh,
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  about me i can go to mom and i can say mom sally said something nasty about
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  me and mom can sit down with me and say well tell me what happened before she said that thing
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  and work through it with you so you realize oh maybe you did the bad thing first
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  or maybe we need to have a chat with sally right instead we kind of throw our kids to the wolves,
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  And we think it all works out because we turned out,
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  and that's not, and because what I was saying before, right,
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  we think the school is correct.
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  The school is justified. The school is the thing.
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  And so any difference that we might have with the school, that's a personal issue that we have.
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  And we sort of discard it. We just, well, that's not important.
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  So we really need to be more circumspect, more diligent in the way we think
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  about raising our children,
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  And Sunday school is bad. It's just not appropriate to send your child away
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  Because you're the representative of God to the child on earth.
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