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Episode #202: Mail Bag: From Raw Milk to Runoff and Allergies and the Future of Farming · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_01: Hello, everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels Podcast with yours truly, Farmer Joel Salaton, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough.
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SPEAKER_01: Today we're going to dive into listener questions.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh we just devote a podcast once in a while.
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SPEAKER_01: We thank you for your questions.
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SPEAKER_01: Always happy to interact with you.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh we don't always have the answer, but we're always glad to uh throw out some verbiage on uh on questions.
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SPEAKER_01: So uh Cena, what do you got?
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SPEAKER_00: Great, thanks, Joel.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's been a request from our community to sometimes start out with a joke.
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SPEAKER_00: So I have two jokes from that were submitted from Aaron B.
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SPEAKER_00: The first joke is this I passed six liquor stores, eight vape shops, and three cannabis shops on my way to pick up my illegal raw milk because the government cares about our health.
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SPEAKER_01: That's not a joke.
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SPEAKER_01: That's just sad.
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SPEAKER_00: So sad, you have to laugh or you just cry, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: You have to laugh to keep from crying.
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SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, but this one, his second one is an actual joke.
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SPEAKER_00: A farmer, so there's a farmer kneeling on the ground, and he says, I finally know why they call me grown up.
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SPEAKER_00: I groan every time I get up.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, that's right.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I got that one.
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SPEAKER_01: I saw I saw a funny t-shirt in the airport uh uh day before yesterday.
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SPEAKER_01: A little short, short lady, she's wearing this uh t-shirt that said, Um, if you think I'm short, wait till you see my patience.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh I come on it to her.
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SPEAKER_01: I thought that was really clever.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I like this idea of sharing jokes.
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SPEAKER_00: They're right.
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SPEAKER_00: We keep we I would love to keep doing that.
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SPEAKER_00: But okay, those are all the jokes I have for today.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so on to the questions.
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SPEAKER_00: We have lots of them.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, if at all possible, let's try to do the more as lightning round.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So this first one is a two-part question from Mike Greenwald.
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SPEAKER_00: He says, I'm in full agreement that subsidies need to go away, just like the current welfare system.
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SPEAKER_00: I think government is only good at one thing, making people dependent on the government.
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SPEAKER_00: So, my first question is as Joel was talking about grain going up in price, if farmers switched to raising beef instead of monocrops, would he continue to raise poultry and pork, knowing that his costs would go up dramatically?
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SPEAKER_00: And then this the second question is with the sh with the shift that would occur, would farmers be able to make money raising cattle, pork, and poultry, or would it make the average peasant go hungry since they would no longer be able to afford it?
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SPEAKER_00: It seems like a double-edged sword.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, royalty ate poultry.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, peasants didn't eat poultry and or or not much.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: And and poultry and pigs were simply kept as um as salvage, you know, to eat away from cheese making and things like that.
3:52
SPEAKER_01: So I have always I have always said for a long time, if there's one thing where we're um whatever, hypocritical, uh in my perfect world, we wouldn't raise the number of chickens that we raise.
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SPEAKER_01: I've made that very, very plain.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, and so no, I I I I think that I think that the price factors, if grain went up, the price factors would definitely uh affect it.
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SPEAKER_01: And realize it would also greatly affect the price of grain-fed beef.
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SPEAKER_01: Suddenly, grain-fed beef would be extremely expensive.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh, and what it would do, it would push, it would push agriculture and livestock farmers to you know controlled grazing and and better better use of grass.
4:41
SPEAKER_01: A lot of people don't realize that 95% of the herbivores in America are not managed in an in an ecologically abundant way.
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SPEAKER_01: And that if if we had changes in the in policy, it would suddenly deincentivize the dysfunction and incentivize the function.
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SPEAKER_01: So you know, that's the answer for number one.
5:09
SPEAKER_01: Now, number two, uh, would peasants just go hungry?
5:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, the the idea there is that um I I I think Americans spend way too little on food in general.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh right now, France, the per capita, the per capita expenditure on food in France is double what it is in the US.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, and their health care costs are half.
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SPEAKER_01: So, so I I think this is simply a a a place of misplaced loyalties or misplaced values.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, historically, we you know, we we've had plenty of food, and um I I I think that it would change what people buy.
6:05
SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, listen, I was just you know, I I had uh Teresa's birthday was a few weeks ago, so I was in the store getting a birthday card.
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SPEAKER_01: And of course, when I go to the store, I you know, I I gotta go to the meat counter.
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SPEAKER_01: And Cena, I did not know that lunchables, I've never eaten a lunchable, but I in fact I don't think I've ever seen one, except I saw one in the in the meat counter.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's it's um it's it's one-third bread.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, you got all these things.
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SPEAKER_01: I've never seen one.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you know that lunchables are$14 a pound?
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SPEAKER_01: $14 a pound.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's almost as much as you know, pork chops.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, you could buy almost two pounds of our uh ground beef for you know one pound of lunchables.
6:59
SPEAKER_01: So I I I've just become very aggressive.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: I just don't let people get in on the price thing anymore.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm so tired of uh people say we can't afford it, and then they're smoking or they're drinking or they're drinking coffee or they're you know uh got Netflix subscriptions or whatever.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: And um, I just don't I just I just I just don't let people get by with this idea that um you know you can't afford decent food.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: So do you think like you know, compared to over in in your example of Europe, do you think we just spend money on just more non-essential things versus them?
7:40
SPEAKER_00: Is that the difference?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, how are they able to afford it if they spend that much more money on food than us?
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SPEAKER_00: Are they just not buying all these other what you would think of as more like frivolous things?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think there's a little bit less less consumerism, and and there's definitely uh a much less, again, there's half the cost of healthcare.
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SPEAKER_01: So they're healthier, so that's they're not spending money on all these pharmaceuticals and ultra-processed food.
8:09
SPEAKER_01: Oh, Cena, ultra-processed food is expensive.
8:12
SPEAKER_01: You know, I had I had a friend one time that would always take a Snickers bar in his pocket.
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SPEAKER_01: He sold lamb at the farmer's market.
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SPEAKER_01: And when people would come up and complain about the price of his lamb, he'd pull out his Snickers bar, which was more expensive and you know, whatever, two 22 bucks a pound, and say, you know, have you bought one of these lately?
8:31
SPEAKER_01: And it was, it was a it was a nice, you know, friendly, diplomatic way to challenge people.
8:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, I'm tired of just letting people whatever get by unchallenged with the notion that um that food has to be cheap and that farmers are supposed to be the poorest guys in the county.
8:54
SPEAKER_01: And uh I've I've started um I've started a kind of a new little one-man campaign, if you will, to uh um to to call far farmers natural resources first responders.
9:09
SPEAKER_01: You know, we we've since 911 our culture, and rightfully so, has elevated, you know, whoever heard the phrase first responders before 911?
9:19
SPEAKER_01: Nobody.
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SPEAKER_01: 911 popularized the idea that first responders, we honor them, we respect them, we appreciate them.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh and and I think that maybe what we need is a new understanding that farmers are our first natural resource responders.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh they're the first responders to the soil, to the water.
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SPEAKER_01: And you can have you can have good first responders and bad first responders.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And and so we can you know we can head forth that way.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, certainly if the subsidies stopped, a lot of buying habits, a lot of things would change.
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SPEAKER_01: Just realize right now, 40% of the corn subsidized in this country, 40% of the corn is used for ethanol.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not even used for feed, for animals or people.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of of uh craziness, you know, in that in that system.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, wow.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's you know, I I love that idea of the farmers being the first responders, but um you have a lot of perception that you'd have to change because people like their stuff, right?
10:26
SPEAKER_00: We're in an age of consumerism, and you got to keep up with the next the next you know, shiny thing the next person has.
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SPEAKER_00: So it it can be a difficult mindset to to change.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, and and debt has been normalized, right?
10:41
SPEAKER_00: People are just used to that you have that much debt.
10:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, well, look, look, see, I mean, uh cut to the chase, America does not have a food culture.
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SPEAKER_01: Our food culture is McDonald's.
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SPEAKER_01: Our food culture is that food is simply a um uh it's a it's a necessary uh inconvenience to our day, to what we need to do.
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SPEAKER_01: Whereas most foreign cultures, not American cultures, most foreign cultures, food is a big part of their their whole day, their social, their everything.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, they actually partly live to eat rather than just eat to live.
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SPEAKER_01: And and so so our American culture, food is simply and has been for a long time, has simply been um just a you know a necessary inconvenience.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: But you travel anywhere in the world and food is um is celebrated as a as a special event and a special thing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's valued, it's valued.
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SPEAKER_00: It bonds people together too.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of these other cultures still um promote that in their gatherings that they have.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, we saw that on you know those cultures that tend to live to be a hundred.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of them have celebrations where uh, you know, regular celebrations where they come together and and feast and dine.
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SPEAKER_00: Whereas it's not uncommon for people to eat on the go in our culture, eating in the car, eating behind your desk, uh, you know, at work by yourself in front of your computer.
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SPEAKER_00: Like um, we had visitors, I won't say who they were, but we had visitors recently who stay with us for about a week.
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SPEAKER_00: And um I was surprised at the kinds of foods that they ate.
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SPEAKER_00: And we talked about diet and because I wanted to know like, is this how they're eating just because they're kind of on vacation, like away from the home, or is this how they normally eat?
12:42
SPEAKER_00: And they said, no, this is how we normally eat.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, they would have either cereal or donut for breakfast.
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SPEAKER_00: There was um juice and soda throughout the day, and there were chips and like you know, the Cheetos and the things that dye your fingers when you touch them, things like that.
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SPEAKER_00: There were little candy bars.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, then they would go get fast food like for breakfast.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was still making my food, but I didn't taste the same to their kids, so they didn't want it, you know, and and this is just how they eat.
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SPEAKER_00: And then there's the standard let's have the dessert, on top of all that, right?
13:17
SPEAKER_00: Now we had dinner, let's have the dessert.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just thought, wow, because I'm I think I'm kind of like you now, I'm in my own little bubble.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of unaware of how the people are.
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SPEAKER_00: I see the statistics and I can report on those, but to visually see it in front of you is totally different.
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SPEAKER_00: And actually, I started lighting lightening up on my children because I was like, wow, they're doing really good.
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SPEAKER_00: Like they're doing really good with the choices that they're making.
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SPEAKER_01: Listen, you you you want you wanna you want to get an education, go just stand at the checkout line of a supermarket.
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SPEAKER_01: Just stand to checkout line and watch what's coming out of those carts.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, remember remember the only whole foods in a supermarket are right around the edge.
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SPEAKER_01: And you got the produce over there, you got the meat counter, okay?
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SPEAKER_01: Just just the very periphery.
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SPEAKER_01: 90% of that supermarket is processed and ultra-processed stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's microwaveable, uh, it's it's you know, canned, it's you know, it's um heat, heat and eat, ready to eat, packaged, and and snacks and stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, a whole aisle of of potato chips, and then you know, you got aisles of soft drinks and stuff, but you just watch, watch what comes out in those, in those carts, and it's um, it's it's it's unbelievable.
14:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're we live in a bubble.
14:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you and I, we we we live, and and the tragedy is you know, we're still such a minority.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: I mean, even with even what we know, and and you got the Maha movement and all this, and it the frust most frustrating thing about all that is even knowing what we've uncovered, and people still they still buy the same thing, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know, so yeah, and so for me, like I don't want there to be, I'm not like I'm not trying to judge them because you get to choose whatever you want to eat.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: But for me, it's more of um it tells you the mindset of the culture at large, where unlike these other cultures, we don't revere food anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: It is like an afterthought, more of an inconvenience.
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SPEAKER_00: And and the the people who are eating the food like that, they may not be consciously aware of it, but the message that they're sending to themselves and their body as well is that food is not medicine.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: Because if you truly believe the food is medicine, you would treat it as medicine, yeah, right?
15:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, and and so so that's the one thought.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: And the second thought is they haven't made the connection between um like the conditions that they're experiencing and the food that they're eating, or they have made that connection and then maybe there's cognitive dissonance, right?
16:07
SPEAKER_00: So I use what I'm practicing awareness to understand like what how is our culture actually thinking?
16:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, to understand how we're in this position that we're in, instead of just being baffled by it or complaining that they're eating this way.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, how did we get to this space and why why do we seem to be stuck here?
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SPEAKER_00: Why, why do we seem to not be able to reach that tipping point where we can move the market?
16:31
SPEAKER_00: And so I think it's important to get into the mind for mindset of these individuals.
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SPEAKER_00: And so this was a a a kind of a deep diving, not just a glimpse.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like I was thrown into the deep end here to really see how they live and and how they think, and it's just so different.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's one thing, too.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to maybe we can start addressing that as well moving forward in the podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: How do you speak in a different language that will that will resonate with them, you know, that will kind of help them to see it the way that we see it, uh, you know, without being judgmental or insulting, but well a lot of it is is uh you know, you you've got you've got to scare them, but most people don't get scared until they actually have a you know an issue.
17:21
SPEAKER_01: But I mean when you talk about talk about uh I I don't know, I I can't look it up right now, but um I mean think about think about the soft drink and just just the soft drink industry.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean we know we know that just Snap pays$15 billion a year to soft drink companies.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: So that that's just the Snap portion is$15 billion to soft drink companies.
17:46
SPEAKER_01: So if we say that that's you know, just for sake of discussion, let's say that's 20% of their sales, then um that means that that the soft drink industry is you know 75 billion, which I expect it is.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but if we say 75 billion, um 75, let's see here, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three.
18:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm I'm going beyond my calculator.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: I know, so you're you're doing one of the things they say never do.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: Don't do math on the podcast.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay, anyway, it cut it comes out to it comes out to$230 per capita in the US.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: $230 per capita per year.
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SPEAKER_01: So a family of four is uh almost a thousand dollars, almost a thousand dollars per family of four in the US that they're spending on soft drinks.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: How far do you think that would go in buying some better food?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a lot.
19:03
SPEAKER_00: But you know, I don't think that I don't think that crosses their mind.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: I think that most people are on they're on a treadmill.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: We're on a treadmill of some sort, right?
19:13
SPEAKER_00: Some degree.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: And I think that they're just in this survival mode, trying to keep up with their to-do list and you know, running the kids here and there and getting the job done and whatnot, that there's not a lot of time to sit there and reflect.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's it's like you're doing what's you're doing what needs to be done to get through the day.
19:34
SPEAKER_00: And so food goes to the wayside, right?
19:36
SPEAKER_00: It's that's you you grab that convenience.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: So I I really think that it starts with uh removing things from our plate.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're we're overwhelmed, overworked, overstressed.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot of you can't shift your perspective or see a new perspective, usually, if your plate is too full, if you're in fight or flight.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: So I really think it comes down to uh, you know, the person making the conscious choice to slow down, to remove things from their list.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is a huge ask because we're this culture of wanting external validation and we're trying to keep up with the next family, right?
20:22
SPEAKER_00: And and the comparisons on social media in particular do not help with that.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: So, what do you do?
20:27
SPEAKER_00: What's gonna give?
20:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, I have lots of friends that are like, my plate's too full, too, but what am I gonna do?
20:32
SPEAKER_00: My kids want to do soccer and they want to do this, and why don't they?
20:35
SPEAKER_00: So, what am I supposed to do?
20:37
SPEAKER_00: So, I think it hard choices have to be made, and we're not necessarily the best at making those making hard choices.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to the next question.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: This is we're we're getting bogged down here.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: This is not a lightning round.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: We're uh Oh my, I was just gonna say it, I think we spent just over 20 minutes on one question.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: We are incapable of lightning round.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
20:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's try to go faster.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, this one comes in from Huckleberry Farm.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we have a pond that is in the corner of our property.
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SPEAKER_00: The north side is near a road, the west side is next to railroad tracks, across the tracks is the conventional monocrop field, and across the road is the conventional monocrop field, and diagonal is another conventional monocrop field.
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SPEAKER_00: The horses stopped drinking the water in the pond, according to my grandfather.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: He said the runoff from the fields was causing the horses to stop drinking from the pond.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: So he started filling the pond um a few years back with concrete and bricks and ref and uh so he can and and oh, and refuge that he can get from a construction site.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: We now just have what equates to a puddle, but it does kind of spill over when it rains.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: I want to go in and dig.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: All of it back out.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: But how can we keep the runoff from the fields from affecting it again?
22:06
SPEAKER_01: Couple couple things.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: Number one, if the horses were drinking out of it, they were also pooping and peeing in it.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: You cannot, you cannot expose uh domestic livestock to a pond without them defecating in it.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: They are not potty trained.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: And uh and so um I'm not ready to suggest right now that the problem, the initial problem was the runoff from the neighbors.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: Um it it could have been over time that it got so much horse pea and urine.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: I mean, animals have an aversion to their own defecation.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: Cows won't eat over their own cow pies, you know, um pigs pick a toilet spot and they poop over there and they and they lounge somewhere else, you know.
22:56
SPEAKER_01: Um so so there's an aversion there.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: So I uh first of all, I'm not I'm not ready to just carte blanche say that the pond deteriorated due to the run to you know conventional runoff.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: Um so you want to fence your pond out from the livestock, get them fenced out of it so you're not having them push the edges in, which brings me to the second point, is that the the deeper it is and the steeper the sides, the better chance you have of having a functional aquatic environment.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh the shallower it is, and the and when the sides are real um uh gentle, uh you have a lot more um, you have a lot more swampiness.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh it it becomes less aquatic and becomes more um like a like a swampish situation.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, I I think it's great to go ahead and and deepen the sides.
24:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh look, you don't know what you've got until you try.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: And so I would go ahead and um and deepen the sides, dig it back out, and dig it as deep as you can, and the sides as as tight as you can.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: One other thing that you can do is you can put a coffer dam ahead of it.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh, we've done that not primarily for um for chemical runoff, but for erosion control.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: That um a coffer dam is a small dam uphill from the main pond to catch silt, uh, you know, um toxicity, whatever, that doesn't have to be as deep, and you can encourage a lot of cattails, daylilies, aquatic, you know, uh around that one, especially, a little bit shallower edges, um, in order to stimulate a lot of of um hydrologic plants to act as a uh as a sieve.
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SPEAKER_01: And so basically you get a kind of a settling pond initially, and it what and that can be much smaller, you know, something, oh goodness, even the size of a of a swimming pool, of a, you know, of your swimming pool, you know, that a family would have.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: You know, something uh 20,000, 30,000 gallons, okay.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, but but you uh uh a a small coffer dam like that, especially if it's highly highly hydrologically vegetated, uh, can act as a as a sieve uh prior to the bigger pond and uh probably give you a lot of protection.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay, moving on to Matt G.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: This is about um raw milk.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: So, Joel, this is for you.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: I was just told about um a state bill in North Carolina, State Bill 639.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: After reading through the language and listening to others that are smarter than I talk, it seems to be mainly aimed at ending herd shares.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: However, due to the vague language, one can argue that this could be the initial step in not allowing any raw milk consumption in North Carolina, even from your own animal.
26:20
SPEAKER_00: As someone who milks a family cow every day, am I reading into this bill and seeing a future where it would become a crime for my family and I to be consuming the milk from our own cow?
26:31
SPEAKER_00: If so, other than contacting our state senators and representatives, how would you advise those of us in North Carolina to proceed?
26:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, great question.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: So I'm very, very aware of the North Carolina uh situation.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: I think that that is a bit of a bellwether, a bellwether bill in the state.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh, there are two actually in North Carolina.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh one is this one, uh, which is trying to end herd shares and uh pet milk.
26:58
SPEAKER_01: That's been their that's been their um um work workaround for a while, a loophole, if you will, to be able to do it.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: And um so uh um the bill is currently written, my understanding is that it it it would not it could not be interpreted as not being able to drink from your own cow.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: However, however, uh we all know that these kinds of things are indicative of a trajectory, of, of, of a, of a cultural philosophical trajectory.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: And uh so I think your fears uh about it are true are true, but um I would suggest that not being able to have a herd share or do the pet food uh workaround are in and of themselves bad enough to be uh pretty violently opposed to this thing.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh uh a companion bill that's gone in uh absolves the uh absolves uh chemical companies from liability uh suits.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: So um so both of those bills are in North Carolina.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: And the interesting thing is both of them are being pushed by Republicans who are in bed with big ag.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: And and and and so it it's the Republicans that are pushing this, not the Democrats.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: And um so how do you oppose it?
28:19
SPEAKER_01: Well, you uh you call your elected officials, you hook up with um, I don't, I don't know what the position where uh Carolina farm stewardship uh is on this, but that's a very you know a great uh grassroots, you know, um uh you know food friend, whatever, you know, chemical-free, friendly, uh friendly food outfit, as well as you know, uh chemical-free farming.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: And so um make friends, make collaborations, and shake the halls.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I don't I don't I mean that it this all this all comes down to you know who has the votes and where do the politicians think the power lies, and that's what it comes down to all the time.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: And so uh go after it, yes.
29:07
SPEAKER_01: And and and and there are a lot of people, believe me.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm I'm up on that, and there is a huge outcry in North Carolina.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: So I'm hoping that it that it gets um defeated, but um time will tell.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, the next question is from Julie Schwartz.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: She said, We recently watched the documentary Common Ground.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: At the end, it was announced that Gabe Brown has ALS.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: My husband looked at me and said, Gabe needs to call Cena.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: Do you believe something like LS could be cured through diet and lifestyle changes?
29:43
SPEAKER_00: So, yes.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: There's a um, and we can I'll put this in the show notes too.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh there was a 2016 study published in neurology, and they looked at 3,000 over 3,000 um patients with ALS.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they had at least 7% that showed a plateau and progression over 18 months, and they had a percentage that showed reversal.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh the number in that study was small, right?
30:11
SPEAKER_00: It's a percentage, but it still demonstrates that you can reverse it.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: Since then, there's um a doctor called uh Dr.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: Richard Um Bedlack.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh he's he was the lead researcher of that study, and now he has actually confirmed that there's been 62 cases of ALS uh fully reversed.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: And these weren't minor cases, these were, for example, people who breathe independently after being on ventilators, or they were on a wheelchair and now they're running, or they had to rely on a speech device and now they're speaking.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: And so, yes, um, there are cases of it being reversed, and diet and lifestyle are a huge uh key to that puzzle, just like there's cases of um Alzheimer's being reversed, and we should get that guy in the program.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: He's awesome.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: He he um and and it's it's through diet and lifestyle changes.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: So, yes, there's always hope.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, God designed the body to be resilient and and ability and have an ability to heal from anything.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, Joel except death.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, but well, even then you're you're you're reunited with him.
31:25
SPEAKER_00: So is that so bad?
31:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh no, not yeah, not if you're uh not if you've accepted the salvation, but uh yeah, um you know I I really get this is another rabbit hole here, Cena.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: Don't want to go down here, but I've told my family, Cena, if I have a heart attack tomorrow, don't revive me, don't do anything.
31:49
SPEAKER_01: It's my time to go.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh even as supposedly young as I am.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm almost 70, but uh, I mean, I only I know I only look 50, but anyway, you know, uh I thought you were 45.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: Uh so you know, um uh the this idea, what was it?
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Um the statistic recently, something like I think it's 80 percent of U.S.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: healthcare costs, 80% are used to prolong life six weeks or something like that.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: It's it's a crazy, it's a crazy statistic because you know that's that's when the great big bucks happen.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, you're hooked up to machines, you got, you know, all that stuff, and and and the the costs just go through the roof.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: And um, and you know, who who needs it, who wants it, you know, why why prolong life that much?
32:43
SPEAKER_01: You know, if I if I get down, I just want to go, man.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I think that's different too, though.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: Like it, yeah, if you know the end is in sight, you know, and like you're brain dead, or you know, you've accepted it or you want it to be your time, that's different than somebody who is living with a condition that is debilitating and you have this slow decline.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: And if there's some way you can reverse that, then why not?
33:12
SPEAKER_00: You know, but yeah, I totally agree.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: And there's a there's also this fear of death and you know, fear of saying goodbye and letting go that perpetuates that system as well.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: A lot of other cultures don't have that.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: No, no, you know, and my mom is uh now 101 in six months, and um, and you know, we just she she needs to go.
33:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, she she she doesn't want to be here.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: She no, I mean she, you know, she she she knows she's a burden, she she's not needed to do anything, and and she just said, you know, why am I still here?
33:49
SPEAKER_01: You know, what and and um so we we just want her to just not wake up one morning, you know, and and and just uh it would it would be it would be great for her, it'd be great for us, it'd be great for everything.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean, when you when you've outlived your useful time, um, you know, what's the what's the point?
34:08
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we love her and we, you know, we we're not we're not gonna go, you know, um you know, shoot her or anything, but Joel.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: All right, this epo episode has taken a turn.
34:23
SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna facilitate putting you know uh putting her away, but but but at the same time, this this fixation we have on on every you know 85-year-old um we assume they're supposed to get better.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: I I think it's it's actually not it's not productive, it's not healthy uh to just assume that every you know 80 plus year old person is is supposed to get better.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: And we spend a lot of time and effort, you know, trying to make sure that they all get better.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: And maybe they need to just go.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're making me sad.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, I can see what you're saying.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: It's not go, it's not go negative, it's it's go, you know, make place for for a new person, for um, you know, to not to not be a burden.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't want to be a burden on somebody.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: You don't want to be a burden on somebody.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be a burden either.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: And that's why I mean, you know, you and I joke a lot about um how my sons made me promise that I'm gonna live to be at least 116 years old.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: And and you're like, I don't want to live to be a hundred, but here's my caveat I want to live well to a hundred.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm functional and you know, I can I don't need someone to take care of me, that's a whole different story.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: We don't have that culture anymore.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: And I actually think, I mean, you have a really valid point.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, I I think too that there is this belief in our culture that you know that the average death is in the 70s and people become disabled and people have to help take care of them and stuff.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: And that's a more modern thing, right?
36:10
SPEAKER_00: That's a more modern belief.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: And um, this goes into what we were talking about with um when we record the episode about Temple Grand and these morphic fields, for example, because this is how you can get um cultural attitudes and habits, is that they're passed down in the field.
36:28
SPEAKER_00: And so it becomes ingrained that, oh, this is when you're supposed to die, and this people become, you know, incapable, take care of themselves.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: So just like all teenagers are supposed to rebel.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: Like we have all these stereotypes that have been passed down in our culture, and it will come to fruition if that's what we believe.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: So I want to live well, um, you know, past 100.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: There's some researchers that are saying that, you know, take it with a grain of salt because it's based on teleomere activity on the DNA, but they're saying that our um we should be living well to at least 120.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: This is more back to a biblical reference.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, and yet we don't, and why are we not living that long?
37:11
SPEAKER_00: And why, unlike our ancestors, are we needing people to take care of us?
37:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, ancient ancestors didn't have that.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: So you have a really good point.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: And it's true, if if someone doesn't have a good quality of life, then it is kind of just hanging on just to hang on.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: If that person wants to live well and they're willing on their own to make the diet and lifestyle changes, then I say go for it, you know.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no quite no question.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: And and of course, a lot of people are are suffering uh problems because they haven't put diet lifestyle philosophy emotions, you know, at the at a at a higher place.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: All right, exactly.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: Sorry to get sidetracked.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so Gabe, yeah, yeah.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: Again, that is now our belief that we are incapable of lightning round.
38:01
SPEAKER_01: So so so ALS is absolutely um yes, it is not an exception to the rule.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: It is the it's reversible.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: But okay, so but but the big problem is as soon as you get that label, as soon as you get that label, an entire cultural morphology, okay, you know, um, you know, it's hard to it's hard to kick against everything you've been taught culturally, everything you've heard in your family, everything you read on the media.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: I mean, think about that much um you know, pressure.
38:38
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the pushback, the just the constant pounding of the negativity.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, and this comes back to you need to have a practitioner who believes that it can be reversed.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: Right?
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Or you now you're also fighting the person that's supposed to be helping you navigate through this new, you know, journey in your life.
38:57
unknown: Right.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it it could be very challenging, but that's why we keep, you know, we're just gonna keep speaking our truth and keep um putting it out there front and center that these things are possible.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: And here's the proof, you know.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: Um okay, so the next one is from Sarah and Gary, um, I believe it's um Nushler.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: Um my husband Gary and I listen to your podcast.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, all the way from Saudi Arabia.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, we appreciate you.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: We're doing prep work to plan for and to get a farm.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: Three of the four in our family are allergic to animals, and one of the three has asthma.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh, Joel, this is a good one for you.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: You just talked about this on our QA.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: What would you recommend you um us doing for allergies to make the transition to farm life easier?
39:45
SPEAKER_00: And I don't want to take allergy meds.
39:47
SPEAKER_00: So remember, because you had that issue, and yeah, and what what did you do?
39:55
SPEAKER_01: Well, uh, you know, when I was a when I was a kid, well, I guess I still am, supposedly.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: Uh again, my label is uh uh that I'm I'm allergic to pollen.
40:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's not a good thing for a grass farmer to be allergic to pollen, and uh, because a lot of grasses make a lot of pollen.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: And um we we got uh befriended by an herbalist who told us about a um uh uh a tea from burdock root.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: And so we started doing that, and uh now if I get a little bit uh congested, I do the little thing with burdock root uh four four times.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: It's it's kind of bland, it tastes a little bit like grass, but that's okay.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, it's it's gone.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: Now, we've had a couple of apprentices that have tried it and it has not worked for them.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: This is what drives the AMA crazy, because these other more nuanced things like herbs and stuff, um, you know, it it doesn't work for every single person.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: And they they want they want we want this effect every single time, every time you take it.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: So I'm not giving this as a as a panacea, but it certainly worked for me.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: And and if that doesn't work, um I've I've known Cena long enough to know that there are probably other alternatives from homeopathy to other herbs to other other things, including, I would suggest, including a gentle, um, a gentle encounter with animals.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I can't imagine being allergic, allergic to all animals.
41:45
SPEAKER_01: You can't even have a cat, can't have a dog.
41:46
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that that's a that's a uh my sense is and and I'm I'm I know I'm passing judgment here, but my sense is that you've probably been way too um sterile in your in your in your growing up time, too many antimicrobial soaps, too much sterility, not enough, you know, dirt playtime outside, that sort of thing.
42:11
SPEAKER_01: And um, and so it's gonna take a little bit of uh a few touches, if you will, uh to you know to to bring some of this back.
42:20
unknown: Yeah.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: So you might have something else to yeah, there's lots of um, I mean, that's the thing, like you say, with herbs, uh you know, there's not like a one size fits all.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: So you have to experiment with it.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: And herbs often work well in these situations in combinations.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: So there's some other herbs you can look into, like stinging nettle.
42:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's a a study in the in the 1990s, I believe, it was a double-blind trial, and it found that um stinging nettle reduced allergy symptoms, um, and it did it better than a placebo.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: There's also something called um butterburr, and butterburr extract has been shown to be as effective as zertec for um allergic rhinitis.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: And I think that was somewhere in the early 2000s that study came out.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh that there's lots of things.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: There's eyebrite, um, quercetin helps.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: So quercetin is obviously not an herb, but um it's a flavonoid that's found in many herbs, and uh quercetin may actually reduce allergy symptoms.
43:25
SPEAKER_00: Um polybasal, um, tulci um can also help to provide balance to the immune system.
43:33
SPEAKER_00: Licorice root, uh, this one in T capsules or tinctures has been shown to help um, you know, with with allergies.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, and you always you always wanna quick side note, you always wanna check the um interactions.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: So for instance, you probably wouldn't want to take licorice root if you have high blood pressure or if you're pregnant, you know.
43:55
SPEAKER_00: So always check interactions.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, mushrooms, rishi mushroom.
43:59
unknown: Um
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Can help with chronic allergies and immune dysregulation.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: Ginger, uh, the tea or um fresh ginger or a tincture uh that can help with allergies, thyme.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, and of course, so I don't mean like sprinkle a little time on your food, you know.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean like you can inhale the steam from time, you can um use the time essential oil diffuse.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, molen is another great one that helps, uh especially with dryer wheezy coffee.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: Uh the the trick, too, with allergies is you want to start.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: If you're doing herbal um remedies, you want to start weeks before like an allergy season or an exposure to the animal would would actually occur.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: And so that way you can help the immune system balance ahead of time.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: And like I said, you want to figure out a combination that works for you.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: You always want to make sure um that you're well hydrated.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: And again, always check for contraindications, you know.
45:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, on a so that's on a physical side.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, so there's lots of remedies you can use physically, but allergies um at you know, all these conditions have an emotional root to them.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: Allergies are rooted in um who are you allergic to, right?
45:18
SPEAKER_00: You're uh there's often someone or something in um in your field who is toxic to you when you present with allergies.
45:27
SPEAKER_00: It gets a little complicated because it could be somebody in uh who's alive, or it could be somebody who has now passed away, or it could be um an ancestral memory in your field, right?
45:40
SPEAKER_00: So those are also things to look into.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: It's um but allergies are known um as an emotional root cause to be equated to there's some somebody or something in your life that is toxic to you.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: Um and so there it piggybacks on denying your own power.
46:02
SPEAKER_00: So we can have a whole show on that.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: But okay, let me go on to the next one.
46:09
SPEAKER_00: Maria Um in Fusino, I believe, she's planning to build a sheep goat permanent perimeter fence, and she's gonna do it with a stretched wire fence to do rotational grazing for a few sheep and our flock of chickens, uh chickens.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: The fence in an area will only be about two acres.
46:32
SPEAKER_00: And one thing when thinking about the fence is how to clear the weeds, the quote unquote weeds on the outside of the fence.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: One side of the fence has some pretty crazy and thick brambles, thistle, wild grape, mulberry, walnut, and willow that just keeps growing up even after um brush hogging it.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: Almost everything I find says to spray chemicals.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: I really don't want to spray anything that will harm the soil life or other plants or animals.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: Do you have any suggestions, Joel?
47:03
SPEAKER_01: Weed eater and a chainsaw.
47:05
SPEAKER_01: That's what I use.
47:07
SPEAKER_01: That's what I do.
47:08
SPEAKER_01: And I and I I do a lot of it.
47:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh sorry.
47:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh there's no um I mean, obviously, if you make if you make enough room on the outside of that fence that you can get down with a mower, you can obviously keep keep that edge mowed, you know, on the other side of the fence, uh to to keep it down.
47:25
SPEAKER_01: And it, you know, depending on how wide your mower is, if you've got a riding mower or a push mower or whatever, it doesn't have to be real big or real long.
47:32
SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, if yeah, um, if there's nothing out there to eat it, it will absolutely, you know, um grow up.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: And if you do have a bunch of brambles in there, naturally, well, um, don't mow it for a couple years.
47:52
SPEAKER_01: And you can pick a lot of berries in there, and you'll have a bird habitat and rabbits and all sorts of neat habitat in there.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, maybe, maybe um uh once every two or three years you mow it.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: It's uh trees aren't going to come in big enough to not be able to mow by two or three years, and you get kind of a you get kind of a hybrid of a of some habitat, uh, some habitat two years, and then nothing one year.
48:17
SPEAKER_01: Habitat two years, nothing one year.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: And you just kind of you know, you just kind of play with it that way.
48:22
SPEAKER_01: But in general, um uh grown-up fence lines, grown-up edges are actually extremely beneficial from an ecology standpoint, you know, for places for birds to hide and rabbits to proliferate and moles and bugs and and and and a place, a lot of times you can get a bunch of um you know free free uh food as as that part of edge edge of your edible landscape.
48:47
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
48:48
SPEAKER_01: One thing you could do that I would encourage you, what I've done on some of these spots where where you don't, you know, you don't want a a mo zone if you can help it, uh you can make yourself feel a little better by if you have um, I mean, uh if this isn't a a boundary fence, um and you have some access to a little bit something on the outside, uh plant some fruit trees.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: Plant some fruit trees on the outside, and that way it'll make you feel better about attending it and caring for it, because now you're caring for your orchard, uh, as opposed to just something that's gonna mess up your fence.
49:28
SPEAKER_01: And and so you get a little bit of a positive incentive there from your, you know, from your um from your work.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: That's such a great idea.
49:36
SPEAKER_00: It's fascinating too because you come up with these answers that are things that I wouldn't think about.
49:40
SPEAKER_00: Because for me, I was like, well, of course, it's all overgrown, just whack it down.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I mean, that's kind of our modern mentality.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: But and my thought was well, because it doesn't look clean and pretty, but also it can harbor ticks like in that area.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, so but um, this is probably a cool time to tell you too.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: So we've just on on July 4th, we're adopting our second homestead animal, and you're never gonna guess what it is.
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SPEAKER_01: It probably is a chicken.
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SPEAKER_00: And I had no intention of getting this animal, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: We are adopting um Muscovy ducks.
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SPEAKER_01: Ah, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Isn't that crazy?
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SPEAKER_00: Like in a cool way, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And one of the reasons is because they eat the ticks.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do.
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SPEAKER_01: They they eat the Muscovy ducks or Muscovy ducks are are uh Muscoby ducks and Indian runner ducks, those are the two uh breeds that are the best around orchards, gardens, horticulture stuff, you know, to keep bugs down and and uh ticks and all that sort of thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's great.
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SPEAKER_00: Good, good.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, how many?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so there's 10 eggs.
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SPEAKER_00: So we may end up getting 10.
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SPEAKER_00: She said she doesn't know it, you know, when they hatch, the mom might eat them or something, so you can't guarantee how many you're gonna get.
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SPEAKER_00: But my kids feel like they don't want to separate them from their siblings.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, just my quick story about it, because this is launching me in further into homesteading, because you know, I have my five dogs, but they're not working dogs, they're my love puffs.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I created that Apprentice Academy, and we're going around to different friends' homes as a part of our homeschooling group, and they're teaching us things that they're passionate about.
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SPEAKER_00: So this friend in our homeschool group had us over to learn how to milk a goat, and that she happened to have these Muscovy ducks there.
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SPEAKER_00: And so, my and she's like, Yeah, here's some eggs.
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SPEAKER_00: And we, you know, we did candling and stuff to grave the eggs.
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SPEAKER_00: It was really, really cool.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're looking at these eggs, uh the ducks, and she's telling us that like she has this little piglet and she has to get up every three hours to go feed this little piglet.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, that's that's not the animal for me.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no way I'd be doing that.
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SPEAKER_00: Then she starts describing these ducks, and she's like, they eat the ticks, they'll eat the spiders, like you hardly have to feed them anything.
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SPEAKER_00: They'll roam your forest.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't even really have to cage them.
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SPEAKER_00: They love it when it's wet outside, like very low maintenance.
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SPEAKER_00: And she said they're great with dogs.
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SPEAKER_00: They will hiss and kind of bite at the dogs to get them away from them.
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SPEAKER_00: So my oldest son, my teenager, looks at me and he goes, I think we need to get ducks.
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SPEAKER_00: And I thought he was kidding.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was like, okay, he's like, Really?
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SPEAKER_00: We can get ducks, and I was like, Oh, wait a minute.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can they convince me they'll take care of them.
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SPEAKER_00: So now on 4th of July, we are adopting this whole gaggle of ducks.
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SPEAKER_00: But this, I figure, is my gateway drug into chickens because now we've had to buy this whole coop to have a place for the ducks if they want to go there.
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SPEAKER_00: And I told my son, I could just see this transitioning.
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SPEAKER_00: Now we're gonna have ducks and chickens, and then we're gonna get the goat or the cow.
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SPEAKER_01: Like yeah, there you go.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, that's great.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, good for you.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, you'll you'll like them.
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SPEAKER_01: They're they're they're pretty maintenance free.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh they're they're they're pretty maintenance-free.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's what she said.
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SPEAKER_00: So otherwise, I was like, I'm I just I just don't have the bandwidth right now.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, the thing is, we're gonna have to make sure the dogs don't eat them when they're babies.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, but so our little happy, you know, homesteading adventure.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll send pictures.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll post them on Discord too.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all right, good.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, next one, Megan uh Masilko, I believe.
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SPEAKER_00: She said, I loved your episode on the bird flu.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for your thorough overview of the situation.
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SPEAKER_00: You explained it in detail so simply, I was able to connect all the dots.
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SPEAKER_00: My question is, why would the scientists experiment with these viruses in the first place?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it from a bioterrorism viewpoint?
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SPEAKER_00: It seems like we would have none of this to begin with had they not messed with these viruses.
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SPEAKER_00: So, do you want to start?
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SPEAKER_01: I I don't have an answer to that.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I'm baffled.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, you might have an answer.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so so what they say, what they what they claim, the people doing this research and the government funding the research, they do claim that this is um like a counter effort against bioterrorism.
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SPEAKER_00: That if they can figure out what another country may um create in the lab based on these existing microbes, you know, um in the environment, then they can be a step ahead so that if another country creates it, we will then have a vaccine to arm our people against it, you know, to protect us.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's like a national security, national defense um standpoint.
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SPEAKER_00: Also, they say that what if these microbes, these viruses mutate in nature?
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SPEAKER_00: And if that happens, we want to be a step ahead of them.
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SPEAKER_00: So again, we can protect our people.
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SPEAKER_00: So it is under that guise of safety, you know, protection.
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SPEAKER_00: But I completely agree with you, Megan.
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SPEAKER_00: If we hadn't mutated them, you know, created these things in a lab, then more often than not, these things would not actually be there.
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SPEAKER_00: They would not actually exist.
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SPEAKER_00: We are pushing them to exist.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll see, and it begs the question.
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SPEAKER_01: It begs the question, doesn't it?
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SPEAKER_01: Um, how about we just put our emphasis on on uh getting everybody's immune system fully functional?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Take that money and spend it on that.
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SPEAKER_01: If you ask me, let's let's get our immune system functional and and forget so that whatever comes, our immune system will be able to handle it.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to start drinking out of the cow trough.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So everybody needs to come join us next year for our summit, and we'll drink out of the cow trough together and learn how to get healthier and be in community that will help strengthen our immune system.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's we have time for I think there's one last question.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm writing with a question regarding organ meat and cow parts available for sale in the United States, specifically cowbrain and cow foot.
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SPEAKER_00: I recently started following the work of Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Jennifer Daniels.
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SPEAKER_00: She recommends eating cowbrain for certain health conditions and cow foot for others.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't seem to find cowbrain or cow foot for sale anywhere.
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SPEAKER_00: I purchased an entire cow from a local farmer, assuming I would I could request the brains in the feet, but the butcher informed me that neither of those are sent to the butcher for processing from the kill facility.
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SPEAKER_00: Why is that, Joel?
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SPEAKER_00: Any insight is appreciated.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, also, if you have any recommendations where people in the public can purchase these cow parts.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is from Michelle Sincata, I believe.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, this is why we need a food emancipation proclamation.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, because feet and brains of cows are considered Ofal.
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SPEAKER_01: In other words, they're like they're like the intestines.
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SPEAKER_01: They're like, you know, the the GI tract, okay, they're guts.
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SPEAKER_01: They're guts.
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SPEAKER_01: And um it's not something that's readily eaten in our culture, so it is it is simply thrown out with the Ofal.
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SPEAKER_01: So in order, in order to I don't know, I actually don't know if there is any place in the U.S.
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SPEAKER_01: where you can get brains out of a federal inspected slaughterhouse.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think you can.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, you know, brains are are the brains and spinal cord are the single you know big things about mad cow, you know, bovine sponge of pharmacephalopathy.
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SPEAKER_01: So I can guarantee you any animal deemed 30 months and older, uh, the all of that is discarded.
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SPEAKER_01: And so um, so you know, we we can't we can't get ours back.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a regulatory, it's it's a government regulatory issue.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not it's not that farmers don't want to give it to you, it's not even that butchers don't want to give it to you, it's that that inspector is standing there watching and and makes sure that all that stuff goes into a into the OFAL bucket.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and so that's the problem, which is again, if we had a food emancipation proclamation where we could butcher beef on our own uh in the backyard and save what we wanted to, then it would be far, far more readily available.
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SPEAKER_01: But right now it's not available because of regulatory constraints.
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SPEAKER_00: Where are we on the food emancipation?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, nowhere.
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SPEAKER_01: We're nowhere.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm I'm I'm pushing for it and and actually getting a little bit of traction, but I mean it's a it's a long that's a long slog.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but massey's supporting it, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: So do we are there do we have anybody else?
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SPEAKER_01: But massey is not a friend of Trump.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, Trump can't stand Massey because Massey's a man of conviction.
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SPEAKER_01: Really?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I had no idea.
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SPEAKER_01: Like oh, yeah, Trump, Trump is, I mean, yeah, he he hates Massey about as much as Democrats.
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SPEAKER_01: Why?
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SPEAKER_01: Because Massey doesn't just go along with all the Republican stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, you see, well, they they misinterpret Massey, and I'm sorry, you know, I'm I'm prejudiced here, uh, or certainly biased um with Massey because he's such a such a wonderful guy.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's being accused of being anti-Semitic because he wants to stop you know um aid to Israel.
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SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, he would stop aid to everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: Here's the problem, Cena.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh boy, we're gonna go down a rabbit hole now.
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SPEAKER_01: But the fact is that all this war stuff, I mean, the whole thing with Iran and all that stuff, I mean, we we gave them the money to arm themselves, you know, and and and so how many times around the world do we do we end up, you know, 10, 20 years later, fighting our own armaments from foreign aid that we gave?
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SPEAKER_01: And so, so, you know, his position is don't give a penny to anybody, shut down all the foreign bases, become a prickly porcupine Switzerland, and bring everybody home.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, Joel lost his internet connection, so I'm gonna close us out.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for all of your questions.
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SPEAKER_00: Keep them coming in.
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SPEAKER_00: We love them.
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SPEAKER_00: And today's listener's question, our community question for today, is going to be what do you think is the single most powerful thing a person can do to take back control of their own health?
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SPEAKER_00: All right, I'm looking forward to your answers, and we will see you next week.