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Episode 191 | Noña · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode 191 of the.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: Quarry Shepard podcast.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening.
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: Welcome to all the new listeners, happy to have you on board.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: You know every now and again, right, when you're losing your sense of purpose, I don't know where you be.
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: Where you believe in God, you believe in the universe, you believe in karma, where it is you believe in, they send a message to let you know what your purpose is.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: And I know what your purpose is and I find back my message this weekend, remember I tell you the other day I had some, um, a lecture in gigs, a little star broadcasting, the pulmains would lecture on podcasting.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: It is very nerve-wracking because I ain't sure that I know what I'm doing or I I'm pretty sure that I'm not where I need to be yet.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: But it's always useful and, um, it's always encouraging when I talk to people about podcasting and I can help people get their own off the ground.
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: I think the more we do it, the merrier.
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: But I went and do that over this weekend, right, and I talk into the class and it's usually a mixture of people in the class.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: You might find one or two people who are, you know, these little grays in their beard.
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: You find one or two people like that, but mostly very, very young people.
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: I only talk to them the bright eyed and bushy tail you know what I mean and they want to hear what do you do, how you do this.
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: It's always a nice space to be in.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: I always feel like every time I lecture I get more from the people who I talk to than what I give.
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: So that's a a great space to be in, to be honest.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: But while I talking about what get me there my internship and I Station and things, I used to mention the name Brigo.
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: All you know the name Brigo.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: All you might know Samuel Abrams.
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: You know him, one of my favorites, one of the greatest I ever did, and when I mention Brigo and I expect to see people's eyes open wide it's blank faces, I see, and then I get to remember my purpose Long ago.
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, I come to tell you about long ago, no, Just before I leave this country.
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: Hey ho, this man used to sing line, right.
• 2:41
  Speaker 4: People used to live here like one for a man, lee, long time he's before it's again.
• 2:49
  Speaker 4: Bed man, you sing like one for my to medicine too.
• 2:53
  Speaker 4: People do this to live.
• 2:55
  Speaker 4: So Come on, come on, now tell Brigo, I want to know, I want to know.
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: I want to know.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: People do this to live, so Long ago, mama.
• 3:22
  Speaker 4: Mama, let me tell you more about long ago, when I was a little fella A day I got licks from a stranger.
• 3:31
  Speaker 4: The stranger caught a whippin' me Me For stealin' a gold chain.
• 3:43
  Speaker 4: When I go home and I tell me, ma Me Not nowadays, right I'm going to go, I'm going to go, I'm going to go.
• 3:58
  Speaker 4: We used to be well-dressed and look in time Long time.
• 4:28
  Speaker 4: If you marry a woman, you had to sing she about full of tune.
• 4:34
  Speaker 4: Then take she on a little high Land three months honeymoon.
• 5:27
  Speaker 4: I want to know.
• 5:29
  Speaker 4: Tell me about it.
• 5:30
  Speaker 4: I want to know, I want to know, I want to know, I want to know Long ago.
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: My purpose is to tell them about long ago, so here now.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: One of the greatest things I've seen in a class in a long time.
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: I talk about Brigo.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows about Brigo.
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: You know me and Calypso right, when I mention Zoe it's like polar opposites.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: When I'm talking to some people about Brigo, they eye light up, they say, yeah, brigo, that's not a double song and thing.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: And the next half of the class they face blank.
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: When I mention Zoe, the next set of people look confused.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: You guess who is who?
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: But again look confused.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: You guess who is who.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: But again, salute, salute, salute to this star.
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: Broadcasting is something that I'm quite coming to enjoy.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: And what was one class where I was talking about just basically my journey in podcasting and kind of like what to do where equipment to buy, what kind of software I need and all them kind of thing giving people guidance on that.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, turning into two classes now where I don't go next week and critique people recording and things.
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: So what I plan to do?
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: Right, I'll get people to record and when they record I will tell them some of the very mean things that you'll say to me about when I miss an episode or when I call wrong name and so on.
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: I will just gather up all the comments you'll make about when I ain't play enough music or when I play too much music.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: I just go and hit them back there.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: Just go and hit them back there.
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: I go and hit them back there.
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: But it's a great class.
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: It's a great class.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: And one of the things I had to figure out was how to structure.
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: Now is because, again, what I was telling them is that to me, the message is the most important thing, the thing that you want to talk about.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: You have to find your voice.
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: If giving people advice, you know.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: But if I had to tell anybody what's the most important thing about podcasting, like people get caught up on what mic you use or what camera or what songboard and da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: But I think one of the most important things is what you want to talk about, on your voice.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: And I was surprised and happy to meet a fellow podcaster in the room there as well, this fellow's behind the Odyssey podcast grab him to name her Kristen.
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: And I remember I kept coming across them because I see some young fellas on our podcast which, again, keep in mind that I am always following youth.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: Any direction that youth's going, that is the direction that I need to be in.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: You understand Youth.
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: Let me follow the future as much as I love the past and I like to listen to old time, kaiso and them kind of thing.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: Let that be the part of my life that remain the old time part.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: But anything else I want to follow what is youths doing?
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: And these, these youths have been doing to me a great job because they taking the time to talk to people who I think meaningful and important in the landscape I like.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: I like the fact as well that they if you look at the list, I guess there's a certain randomness to it, which I also like, right, so, salute to Kristen was in the class and I think this Jerome is the other person's name, and the first time I came across them was when they had interviewed Father Gregory.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: I see Father Gregory on our podcast and me and Father Gregory have a good relationship and it's something I've always wanted to do.
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: I might even be intimidated to do it because I'll tell you this, right, every time me and Father Gregory sit down and talk, whether it's for five minutes or for hours, that could be a great podcast episode, right, that could be a great podcast episode, but I ain't so sure if you know making, making it so formal.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: We have such good chats just when we bounce up or so about good days in fatima, his views on the world and so, which I'm not sure that he would be willing to share in public, but those are good conversations when I see young fellas like them.
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: When I met father gregory and fatima, he was not ordained yet.
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: He, his name was brother.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: We used to call him Brother Gregory.
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: Right, this is in form 2 in Fatima.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: I believe he came into Fatima as Brother Gregory, going through the process to become Father Gregory.
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: So think about all the priests that you know.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: Right, priests, they usually call your father by your last name, so anybody would think of him as Father Augustine.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: Right, most priests is father and your last name.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: When he got the name, father gregory really was because he was brother gregory and then he switched, so when it went to father, nobody really called him father augustine.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: If you hear somebody call him father augustine, them now, now know him.
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: Them, just come when you hear you and for sorry, yeah, father gregory is the principal of fatima college and our holy ghost father and I teaches history, I believe, and religion in Fatima back in the day.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it was Brother Gregory and that name.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: When people say Father G, we's the fellas named the man Father G.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: So this is to show you the contrast between myself knowing Father Gregory for all these years and these youths now in the Odyssey podcast who would have brought him on and talked to him and I'm much more interested in hearing them fellas' perspective than mine for all these years and these youths now in the Odyssey podcast would have brought him on and talked to him and I'm much more interested in hearing them fellas' perspective than mine.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: And another episode that they had was a fella by the name of Troy Hadid.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: And if you know how I feel about the 1%, I will always applaud, now, troy Hadid.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: While he might be 1% the name is hardly so in attitude and vibe and everything.
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: But I went to Fatima with him and it was one of the first times I realized in life that there's a difference, right, there's a difference.
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: I think I tell a lot of my stories about people who went Fatima already, who I first saw the difference between the haves and the have-littles, right, but Troy Hadid is one of them people, because I always remember, uh, troy being in fatima and well, the way he's talking about.
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a speech impediment, I don't know what it is, but you have a a unique way of talking, right, just short of a drawl or a slow, anyway he's talking that kind of thing, but intelligent fellow.
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: When you talk to him, and this one is very knowledgeable and and when you, when you're that, like at my age now, I'll understand that level of where you want to call it being knowledgeable or wisdom or so, like now, I understand that when you're well traveled and you're exposed, and you're exposed to people who well traveled and all that, you're going to have that naturally, right.
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: But back then I remember thinking more than anything else, this fellow is no brighter than me, you know the.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: The simple thought process back then was these people in country who have money and who have business and think they had to be real, bright and real like way more special than than me and you.
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: And he was one of the fellows who started I ain't trying to say try hard, you know.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm trying to say irel smart.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: I ain't trying to say Troy Hardy, you know what I mean.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm trying to say Irel Smart, right?
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say the man stupid, right?
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: This ain't coming out the way I planned it on paper here, right?
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say is you start to realize that this is a normal man just like me and you, and whatever he accomplished, whatever he accomplished you could accomplish, and it'd make me start seeing the thing differently.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: But they did have Troy Hadid on with.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: The latest episode was Che Lovely.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: So I encourage you if I never talked about this on the podcast before, please check out the Odyssey podcast with Kristen and Jerome.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to going back to see these folks last week and it wasn't just Kristen I think it's so unique that they already have a podcast and several episodes published, so you could take in that.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: I like the interview and style and I learned a lot from him too, technically in terms of how they record and all that, uh.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: But I found that the, the class, was such a unique blend of people that, um, I have to figure out how to go and record and critique right, because besides bad talking them about, the real is bad, talk me and so on.
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: I don't figure out a way to get them to get value of the class right and one of the things, I found the people's perspectives to be so varying and unique that I want to almost like have an idea to do like a mini podcast with each one of them in the class.
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: I'll be tired like hell when I've done it, but if I could do 15 minutes with each one of them and it keep it tight enough to make it, uh, interesting so you could get a sense of them and maybe just release it on this platform, you know, maybe use that as content for the next I think it's 12 people or so, any class and um over the next couple months just release little mini episodes of people just to hear their side of the story and maybe use that as encouragement for them to kick off their own podcast and some exposure for you to maybe be interested in some of the topics that they that they interested in and passionate about.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: So, and maybe you don't just have to hear calypso right through, right although in honor of this star broadcasting class, I will be playing several brigo songs during the course of this episode just to familiarize himself with a great one, right, but you might not hear about calypso all the time.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: For instance, they had um and I'll tell you this, right, like I usually do this thing when I have classes, I get into the topics of the week, right, we go talk about the, the quarter arms, don't worry yourself, we go talk about and I usually duck the crime thing.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: But this week we go and talk about some crime and thing, right, because we can't.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: We can't hide from it.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: And I've seen a changing of the attitude towards crime and criminality that I want to talk about.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: But I usually do this thing when I go to classes.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Right, I tell only when I?
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Um, as much as I like to talk and I think all my jobs, public speaking is a big part of it, but I've been nervous when it's time to start to talk.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I don't like to do it, I don't like to introduce myself.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: So what I do is I make other people introduce themselves and while they're introducing themselves, I kind of talk in between so that I could get accustomed to it and settle my nerves a little bit right.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: And I do that with the class and they must be done fed up, do that a hundred times in their class and I don't know if they know.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I plan to do that next week again.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: But just when I thought I had the confidence to start hunting the last man to reach in your room, a gentleman I think by the name of chris I hope I have it right.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: But boy, listen, this man's voice is so clean.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Everything he say is interesting to listen to.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: The man is articulate, eloquent.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: He have a little British accent to it, so it might be my little, you know the little Caribbean inferiorities kicking as a colonized one.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: But boy, the brother's smooth.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: So it'll be nice for a little to hear some of that.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I met somebody there as well, by the name of colleen who doing her business.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I'll let her tell you about it, right, but I find it to be very, very interesting and inspiring.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe I do like british accents, because come in with an accent you know maybe you're enamored by that but I find, like as micro entrepreneurs or as people looking for a side hustle or a way to do things.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: She's doing it on her own, but it's kind of show you how ideas could be more than just the simple things that we.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: You know, when you talk to people about business, everybody want to make juice or make some kind of thing or bring in baby items and sell.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Like it's such limited, uh business.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: It's not very innovative.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: When I found that she has found her avenue of business was so unique because you could see that her business concept came from just identifying problems, I feel like it's something that we don't do enough like we.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: We are really really good as trend begonians of identifying issues with our system.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I I hear Michaela Pandey on Red 96.7 with Blaze on them this morning, and every caller who calling talking about the problems they have with Rowley and the problems they have with Tenga.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: They don't like Camelot, they don't like Rowley, and we're real good at identifying issues and problems, but entrepreneurs are great at seeing problems as opportunities because any way to have a problem, they have money in it for the person who willing to do the work to solve it.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So maybe I will let colleen tell all about that.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: And then I, young singer songwriter boy, listen the girl when she started talking about a young lady by the name of samantha and listen talking to them I had.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe I went and started to do the um, do the class from the, the people who closer to my age and my story.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: You know there's another, another lady to the front who does uh, marketing and and content creation consultancy.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe I started to talk to people like that first and then get on to samantha, the singer songwriter, and the 20, something, something, so that when I, when I dead tired, them go give me the energy to to boost my back up.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And two, two, two interesting uh conversations that we had there that are eager to to.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if I can write, but if I can bring it to you I will, because one gentleman in particular, a fellow by the name of tyrell I've never seen somebody rattle off dates over the top of his head.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I know, remember I control any conversation, right, I lecture anything and telling people that and I will say something random, like, for instance, I was talking about being on iowa station and having to announce that devon matthews had passed away.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Rest in peace is a great one, right, and he just called out the date right and said mary's fat this year and and I was like this man is dead right.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And when he introduced himself, he introduced himself as being on the autism spectrum and the conversation around neurodivergence.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised that it's not happening more in Trinidad and Tobago I'm not sure if the places you work.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: This is a discussion, but there tends to be a lack of, we tend to lack the ability to facilitate different types of learning in our education system and I think, by extension, the corporate world does not seek out or create space for people who learn differently, and I think it's time that we start taking this seriously as a country, because we might be missing opportunities to engage people who can help us solve the very problems that we're creating and talking about.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: We're creating problems, then talking about them for years and years and years, and all the best and brightest minds that all think the same way, because we went through a school system where it was about get A's and pass for your first choice and then do A's and then pass for your best university and then get A's, and then we fostered the system like this and we have almost wholly pushed aside anybody who does not follow that route and treat them like if they are failure until they become an enormous success.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Let me explain right, if you're not doing good in school from primary school level or kindergarten level or whatever and the not doing good is a narrow definition not doing good in school from primary school level or kindergarten level or whatever and the not doing good is a narrow definition not doing good in school is not well defined.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So, for instance, when terrell tell me he on the autism spectrum from the time he started talk, I realized I could pick up something.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: When he started to speak Extremely direct, not so when he started to talk, he was talking louder than the average socially acceptable level, right, and then he's extremely direct and it's difficult to pick up cues from him as to where, like when I talk, right, when you're talking to somebody who, like me and you who not, are neurodivergent.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Even the term divergent assumes that there's some normal and there's something that is divergent from normal, right, which I don't think is fair.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: But we have ways of cuing into when a conversation dying down or inflection the way we say words.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So I know if it's a question or or is a statement you're making or making space for you to interject, or when you interject, I kind of pull out and say, all right, let me listen to you and the conversation has a cadence, on a flow.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: If you didn't know somebody who's on the autism spectrum or somebody who might be neurodivergent, that is going to be hard to pick up.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It is different, right, I don't know, I, I, I don't know that it could be defined as better or worse or anything, but when you listen to him talk like when he stopped it's, it's tricky to figure out if he's gonna say something else or if he's done.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And, um, it made me realize.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: But, but, but on the flip side of it, while that might be different to what we used to every day, I don't know anybody who could pull up dates and stuff at random in random topics like that.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And he's into sports.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: So and I expect that if I ask him about a topic on podcasting that he wants to do, I expect that he will say sports.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: So I eager to talk to him about that and to do a podcast with him to see how that, to see how that is.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: If you, if you want to understand what shaped my perspective on this.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I wanted to google temple grandin.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Right, I came across the, uh, I came across temple grandin.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I put my name at temple grandin when I was editing for the conspiracy of goodness podcast salute to dr linda and the folks at the conspiracy of goodness or the goodness exchange, and temple grandin was, I think, temple grandin.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Coincidentally, was the first episode that I had edited for them and they at the time were a little worried because they were saying you know, she's um, she's on the autism spectrum, so the way she talks, you know it's difficult again because as an interviewer you're not sure when to start your question, when you finish.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It will be tricky, but temple grandin has done extremely well in corporate circles.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Uh and uh in I want to say it's industrial design, right, but I know that, for fear of botching the whole topic, she had redesigned some ways that cattle were farmed to make for a less stressful situation for the cows, right, and because she she credits it when she talks about it, because she thinks in images while other people think in sentences and words and so on, and her point in the podcast was that we have to make space for different types of minds because people who see images can be valuable to the workspace.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: But her point was that, going back to terrell, if I am interviewing somebody and they come in the interview room talking loud, you know what I mean, you're talking, you're talking outside of the social norms, you're just talking hard.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: It's almost like my biases do not allow me to hire you, because I start to say, you know, if I put you in the office there and you start to talk hard, some people are going to say, but Corey, gone mad, corey, bring this man here.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying and I think I talk about this a lot too, like Malcolm Gladwell's book Talking to Strangers, where he talks about our inherent biases, especially in the interview process, and how it has led to.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Even he broke down a situation where Sandra Bland was killed by the police and he was saying that the issue there isn't talking to strangers, isn't people who don't know each other culturally and think that they're making a sterile and objective assessment of somebody else.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And his whole point is that we are not good at making assessments of other people and in the job interview process.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: One might argue that what I'm really looking for is somebody who I could talk to and align with when I do the job interview process.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: One might argue that what I really looking for is somebody who I could talk to and align with when I do a job interview.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I really looking for somebody nice and who I could get along with, and somebody who neurodivergent might be, might not show signs that there's a person who could fit in the office culture I could get along with when that might be unnecessary to do the job and we might be shutting people out of the workplace who have extremely important contributions to make and may help us solve problems that all of us have an issue solving, because all of we who are hiring one another, who are like-minded, seeing the world the same.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So, taking Temple Grandin and I will um, if I'm, if I'm given permission, I'll, I'll include that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to hearing terrell and his takes on sports man break my heart.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're talking about the thing I just mentioned, as a chelsea fan and he's like they just lost two nil to manchester city, I say so, what happened?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: What happenedapping just curse and then, of course, like one person who I saw, and listen.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: You see, when something on your mind and you're passionate about something and you find what it is you're here for, which, to me, I always used to wonder at one point in time if there's anything I'm passionate about and if it's anything I really like, because there are things I was good at and things that I could survive with and figure out how to do, and all those things.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But to say that I was passionate about any of them would be a stretch.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And look where I end up now doing something that I'm extremely passionate about and, uh, when I go to classes and people don't know who is brigo, I know, I know have a purpose to fill, but I met a lady there by the name.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I want to say a young lady, you know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I want to say a young heart, you know what?
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: You want to look like you're 20 years old.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I met a lady there who said that when she introduced herself, she said her passion is around domestic violence and helping women who've been through situations with domestic violence.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something right, you just get a vibe and an energy and thing from people when you're talking to them and she was closest to me in the class.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: There's a small room right, so this person is she next to me when she's talking and I don't know if I believe in vibes and vibration and things get from people, but the, the energy I get from her, and in her eyes especially, is that she have a hell of a story to tell and she does a lot like I hear her.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You know, when they're talking about and like anybody in these corporate circles or people who, especially people who have done well and stuff, they have this thing you know.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: They talk about imposter syndrome and the doubt you have for yourself and the nerves, like nigel called me to do this podcast in class I was like nigel, look how much better people at Harvard are, all kind of people doing great things.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Why you don't get them to do it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I can't do this and sometimes people see greatness in you and you in a state of doubt and if and should and all them things.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I saw so much of that in her and boy, listen.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: My feeling is that she has a hell of a story to tell and it's something that she said she wants to do podcasting and so on.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So as much as I keep in mind that when I first started doing this, one of my first ever business that the podcast is under called the patriot network.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Right, one of my first things was that I wanted to do a network of podcasters and create a space where people could come in and record and you know, I mean I, I like the idea of a media network as a business and I saw Salute, ladneck Media.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I want to say the people who do Die Good Talk podcast, and they have done just that and they have a few spaces that are doing it as well.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: But my thing was not just this space, it was also sort of like procurement is not the word I'm looking for, it's like curating an experience for patriot network listeners.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: So you could come here and hear about calypso, you could come here and hear about therapists and vanilla, you could come and talk to nick.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: So I'm encouraging like a network of people who I feel could uplift the society or uplift each other, lift ourselves.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean and I got that energy and that vibe from Kanika, so I'm looking forward to talking to her and hearing some of her experiences, as, as she said, as a survivor of domestic violence and she's not, she's like a, not just a survivor, but an academic in his space, you know, she learning more about it and learning about people experiences and helping people go from stage to stage to stage, a recovery, which is important messages, important messages.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So that's that, that's where we are.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: You know, that's where we are now.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I mean as as much, as as much as people don't know brigo and, uh, as an unkanika here, right, I might as well.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I might as well because there's plenty brigo songs to play, to bring people, you know, to say you're bringing somebody up to date on something that happened 50, 60 years ago.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: It's a special, it's a special place to be in, but, as I say, as I said, I my work, I, I was, my passion was restored.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Every now and again, when you're coming to do this thing, I'm trying to figure out, but we're going to talk about, but what it have in trinidad news to talk about, that I ain't talk about yet.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like every single thing that there is to cover is like.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: It's like they are now starting to understand why they call it a new cycle because it just goes round and round.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: But for as long as I have a thing like this to come and play, I'm in a good space and in the, in the spirit of Kanika and the idea of DV, I want to play this break off here ¶¶ really sad to tell you how the child is, that we go hard.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: You may say I'm mad when I tell you how the child is.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I really had my mama, five children.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: I'm the best.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: I took in one, as you all could see.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: She used to beat me just like if I was with your son.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: One day granny said to she Do be mama po-po, do be mama po-po, granny.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Tell she, I want you already Like.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: If you want to spoil the child's beauty, you done made the picnic.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: And now you're beating it like you, crazy messy.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I love them a lot.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Here's the produce, grand po-po, that I got.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I sure you don't know.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: When I was small I was a marauding po-po.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: She got rain in my toe and a big head that really had me control.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, me.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Mama used to let me sleep on the floor From my head to my toe.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: The trouble went so Because I was the best looking child among the rest.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: You know me.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Mommy wanted to kill me with bless To Pete, mama Po-po, to Pete, mama Po-Po, to Pete Mama Po-Po.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Granny, tell she I want you already Like.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: If you want to spoil the child's beauty, you don't need the picnic.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: And now you're beating it like you crazy, betty, please hear what I say.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: You see, my Rosalie Po-Po will mind you someday, my girlfriend, granny.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: You know my raspy poo-poo mind you someday, my girlfriend.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: You know she died when I was around 23.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: And my dear mommy, you think that she done to me friends, I forgive she.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: If only my mommy had her, didn't she?
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna call the doctor already.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Oh my, she used to treat me like she going out she had.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: But the love for my mother will never tell Don't beat mama, oh-oh, don't beat mama, oh-oh.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Granny, tell she.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I warn you already.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Like, if you want to spoil the child's beauty, me, mommy get angry.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: You know she take me and send me down by daddy.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: She leave me away, but I still have to take care of she today.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now it's band luncheon season.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: What are you doing for the mass boy?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I now realize that it's middle of August, nearly the end, and me ain't saying nothing about the carnival yet, usually on an annual basis.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: What are you doing to the mass boy?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I now realize that it's middle of August, nearly the end, and me ain't saying nothing about the carnival yet?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Usually, on an annual basis, I will come and tell all of you here what band well, not what band I went to, but what band I'm playing with.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Right, and the last band I played with was Yuma.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And I did say that the last band I will ever play with is Yuma, because I like Yuma culturally right, but last more, because I like humor, culturally right.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: But last year, come and for whatever reason, my normal mass squad we couldn't play mass and it looking like another one of them years.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Right, because my squad is split.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe you could do a vote on youtube or they can help me with this, because most of my mass squad this year is playing with their wives.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: That is number one, and the wives seem to prefer the Lost Tribe.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, just like my wife.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: She played in the Lost Tribe last year and I tell her, we was moving right One day when we was moving we had a couch and fridge and all them things on the truck and we had to come off the highway and them kind of thing and rain set up and it's the Lost Tribe costume we was able to use to cover down the back of the truck to make sure nothing get wet.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Lost Tribe is not no joke.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Amongst the cloth they're sponsored by Jimmy Abud, the textile king, and Rachel Holdens, who used to call them Queensway.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Everybody who used to sell cloth sold all the cloth to lost tribe.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: When cloth stores was closing down to open retail, lost tribe buy all the cloth.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So I am fundamentally against lost tribe because I like to be.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I like to be naked in the mass.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I find masses let loose and naked time and but everybody, everybody going down in the mass, cover down.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: You know I mean I guess we reach the age and stage with cover down, age and stage right.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: So my, the core of my mass squad is playing in Lost Tribe.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: One of my mass squad is not playing at all.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: He, like he done with mass, he sort of make children from our side and that is it with he and mass.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: The other two I used to play with them, confirm Lost Tribe costume, so on.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: So you know what I mean.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: What is it called when they pay down them?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Confirm that my other partner, who was living abroad, but he's living here, but he's kind of here and in here Lost Tribe again, he and his wife and the whole squad, and I have in the mix one friend, one of my friends, one soldier, who is standing up against this because my wife says she ain't playing.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So I have the choice of going and playing Lost Tribe and cover myself down in cloth like a mummy you know what I'm saying With everybody and their wife, or go and play with my one brethren in Spirit Mass.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: What do you feel?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Spirit?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I could pop a little poll on YouTube, pop a little, a little, a little poll on youtube so I could help him make this decision.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Because last year, when I hear about this year, I should say when I hear about spirit mass and and, uh, I think is a is some sort of a, a brunch on the road.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You know they're going on the road and they haven't brunch, or they haven't brunch before they go on the road.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: So whole day monday is stationary and fatima grungs, and then, I think, tuesday you're doing more of the road thing.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if that's what I could handle.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: But when you're going spirit mass and them thing with young young people, I go start to look like an old man.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: But when I play in tribe I'm feeling like an old man.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: So the the quandary I know is do I go and feel like an old man in spirit or go and look like an old man in lost tribe?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure which of the two to do.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: But when somebody asks you what is your favorite song, right, and who is your favorite artist, like among all the young people in star broadcasting this weekend, I'm starting to realize that if your favorite song is anywhere along these lines, maybe it's a Sailor amasia should be looking for.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Hey cannibal coming.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I said to call me Barnabas calling.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Oh cannibal coming.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: I said to call me Barnabas calling.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm biting Jean, I'm biting June, I'm biting them until they go.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: If I only see a woman looking red Boy, is that shit?
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: that I see, when you hear the night begin to fall, barnabas, we may love to as soon as I call.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: May boom rapping, may jizz grinding, may high blingin', may gong flying.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: All is the driving.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, women running, women stretching, women crying, women bawling all is the driving, all is the fighting.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I'm just a blinding man.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I'm looking for the girls big like dumpling yes, the day before I climb the throat.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Looking for the girls with the mini skirt, the girls with wear a medal for Hannibal For the third time in Barnabas County.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Children love you this festival.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: We do beer.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Keep laughing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Now For the third time in.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Barnabas County.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: What we gonna do.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Coat of Arms changed right, in loving memory of the Nenea, the Pena and the Santa Patina Out.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Enough of them.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Enough of them.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Go ahead and listen.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: So let me do the formal thing first.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Right, just so that everybody is informed.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: If you're not up to date on this, I don't know if this was a big part of the discussion.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Clearly this is something that I miss, you know I mean.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: But in the in the lead up to our about 60th or 67th may know how old he is now old like the hills of independence.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Out of the blue you see steel pan to replace columbus's ships on the new coat of arms in six weeks.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this on social media and on facebook and all around.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It's already been replaced.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: No more neeta meter and peter benita.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: They're gone, as they should be.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: So let me read right.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: The prime minister says trinidad and tobago removes the vestiges of vestiges of colonialism.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: National instruments will replace columbus's ships on the National Court of Arms.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So funny.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Last week we was talking about pan music in the episode based on the International Steel Band Day, and now we have the steel band as part of our national emblem, our coat of arms.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I wanted to keep in mind that one of the vestiges of colonialism is the licks I get in school to learn about Mita Pita and Patapetita and our Robin Tief, who come here, who ain't from where he say he from and come here to claim thing one man already had.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Right, we get licks to learn the name of these three boats.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Right, we get licks to name that and one of our favorite sayings about what we like to do on our Friday evening and lime come from people who was coming on them same boat and come here Deeply entrenched in our system and our psyche.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: So when people tell me that moving them three little fishing boat from our coat of arms means that we forgetting our history, I wonder what it is they're talking about, because that's so deeply ingrained in who we are and so much of licks we get to learn the what do you think?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: The pina colada and the margarita I can't remember the name of the three boats, but we get licks to learn them things that's deeply in our psyche and I don't understand why they like to equate being on the forefront of the things that we should be most proud of as a country and teach our children and in terms of indoctrinating and inculcating them into what it takes to be trinidadian.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Those things that we give them would be the anthem, the quota arms.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: The is the quota arms.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: They call it the national watchwords.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Discipline was reproduction or production.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Discipline, tolerance and production, all these different things that make you know.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Those are the things that, not the vestiges of colonialism, but those should be the vestiges of Trinbegonian-ness.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Like when I see the debate on Facebook about the preservation of these things, I start to understand why Tobago want to be a separate country from here.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: The mentality here is crazy to me.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It is crazy.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I understand why tobago want to go their separate ways.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Like you're only a watson duke.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: They ask him about kizil jackson.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: He say I do not know that person.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: That's what I want to say when they hear trini, you know.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: When they say trini, I do not know that island because I don't know the.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Nothing stops you from passing down the history of colonialism from generation to generation.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I play an acolypso here last week about Cutridge and the West Indian reader and them thing.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean that passing it down, erasing it from the most important parts of what we remember as children and we learn about what it is to be Trinidadian and our history and our schools.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: It does not mean anything from history.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: They have a part of the library, right?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: You could go in the colonialism section in your local library or your local school library or wherever it is and learn all you want about that.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: If you really like colonialism and its vestiges and so on and vessels, you could go on YouTube.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Go and Google the Pina Colada and the Margarita.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Go and Google that and learn everything you want to learn.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: If you want to learn about lying thieves and murderous rapists and so on, nothing's stopping you from going on TikTok and just Google it.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Just Google it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Look for all of them, or what you could do better for it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Yet we could curate it for you, right, we could help you to find it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Look over the last years, everything where we take down the name from you see where we rename it after.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: We own queens and we own kings, because we don't understand how a Rima could have a king.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Which king?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: San Jorimaka, that king?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Which king?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: If it's not Kitchener?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: If it's not a great one, which king it is?
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: We're naming it after.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: The streets don't have to be named after people for them to be remembered.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: If they have to be remembered.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: They have several different ways to remember them.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: This has come up every year.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Can you remember talking about this?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: And you've taken down Christopher Columbus from Moruga.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Moruga have its own.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: They better put up a thing of scorpion pepper or some of the hardest ganja you have in the world.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Put up a statue of that.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Nobody don't want to see.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: No statue of Christopher Columbus.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Let Christopher Columbus go and be celebrated in the Tiefen country from which he came.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Let them celebrate him.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: What are we celebrating him for?
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: For there's a difference between remembering and celebrating.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Our national emblems should celebrate the things that make us who we are.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I want to read something from a man here, right, a man where I respect a lot, right, and I know him not to be.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: He is not, is not, is not nobody with no slave mentality.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: That I'm talking about, right, that's why I will read a few words from him.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Right, he's somebody who I know Like.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: For instance, the last time I bumped up, this man was in Stalin's funeral and he was just like me.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: He was there just soaking the vibes.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: A great man like Stalin was going down and he was just wrong.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: He said it's something he had to come and witness himself and be a part of.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: So I ain't talking about nobody with no um, no affinity for christopher columbus and these guys.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: But he said I really doesn't want to comment on these things.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: But he said I really don't want to comment on these things, you know.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: But I'm waiting on somebody here.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: So here goes how we recording the issues are independence, progress, reparation and preservation versus erasure and corruption of history.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Who decides what is removed, erased, torn down and what stays, and when the things deemed worthy of cancellation gone, what will provide the context for the things that they cause to be come from people done doing all kind of thing with the arts.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Would be arts, culture, society already and know these stories and history?
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I could read that would be good.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: You don't have to.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: You don't have to know me five minutes to know it's.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I's not the kind of fellow that like that, that you say I.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: You don't have to know me to know I's the kind of fella that don't like Columbus, or Rowley for that matter.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: But I don't think this statue should be torn down, at least not so undiscarded.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Removed maybe.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: But I think the constant physical reminder of things is important.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: So we go see, so we'll see it, and get vexed and look out for the modern day Columbus and pick tons on, because the vampire ain't going nowhere, the man rich, he gone.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: That's a great Valdez book, right?
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Saluma Guy Valdez.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: It might be the only argument I've ever heard that I feel I could agree with.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I feel we should keep one statue of Columbus.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: You know, you have that thing they used to say a long time, like you.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Hang them in Woodford Square, right, columbus.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: You know you have a thing they used to say long time like you.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Hang them in woodford square, right.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should put a series of these rapist, pillagers, plunderers and so on.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean take, try to take everything we have and claim it as theirs and put them in this square.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean put them in this square, put them all together, put them all together.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: And every now and again you must play stalin, where I see vandals last time play Bundham, and every now and again he must light them on fire.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: You're right, we should never forget and we should be prepared for the next Columbus and Picton.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But we should make a monument that tells the next Columbus and Picton where the hell to get off.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: When they try to come here to take things again, put it in the square or put it in the airport so as they land they can see that and they say, nah boy, they don't play down here.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Remember the man in Mamoral?
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: They say don't come in Mamoral to teeth, don't come here to teeth.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a good place to put it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: But they say Rowley made the announcement at a special PNM party convention held at the National Academy of the Performing Arts on August 18th to consider the report of the party's constitution to the review committee.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: The convention erupted in applause as Rowley made the announcement of the change, which he said would be done the day before Republic Day or done before Republic Day.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: The steel panel was named National Instrument after National Musical Instrument Act 2024 was passed last month.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: You see them three Columbus boats on the emblem.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: They will go.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I like how he said it too.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: This man row, row, row your boat gently down the stream, come off.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: He said the government has enough votes in parliament to make the change and intends to deal with the issue soon after you reopen.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: All right, so how long again will they have all the votes to make this change?
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Because me don't know what a helmet for it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Have a boat steering wheel.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: They may not die for one of the three boats on them.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean for the, for I I don't know if the santa margarita is, this is them steering wheel on that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: But let me let me put.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Let me put that's 120.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Why steering wheel?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: That might be more indicative.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: But you know, that's a baby.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: The name makers done, gone mad already.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Right, but I want to know, I know.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Let me just say I want to know.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I really should know.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I should know because they beat me enough to learn what all the emblems on the coat of arms mean.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: What emblems on coat of arms mean?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Let me Google this while we're here.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: They used to tell me this in New Tongue Boy.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: So coat of arms symbol, you, you know.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: If I put trinidad, that would be, that would be helpful, let me see what is this, now this?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I know this.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I don't need anything.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: The wrong people on this one have bull and so on.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Tell me what.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Trinidad?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Think me, no man.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: The quotes of arms trinidad have any way to see that, or anybody ever western in radio.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: So the birds of the Scala type is Ancocrico, according to Valdez, may not get that name, but we must go back To see who decide that them is.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: The birds are there and if it's one of we, we keeping it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: If it's not one of we, we don't want it again.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: So the coat of arms of Trinidad and Tobago was designed by a committee Formed in 1962 to select the symbols that would be representative of the people of Trinidad and Tobago.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: The committee included noted artist Carlisle Chang and carnival designer the late George Bailey.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Remember George Bailey?
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: The coat of arms with the accompanying motifs which represent indigenous features of Trinidad and Tobago was selected and formally agreed to be used as the coat of arms of Trinidad and tobago in 1962, in a design approved by the college of arms.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: The birds represented as a the three peaks were principal motifs at rindad's uh, early british colonial seals and flag badges.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: What three peak is them?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Let me, let me, let me, let me sort out them.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Three.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Peak one time.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: That's something like.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Is that's something like his thing?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: That could come off, or we could put instead of that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: They commemorated both Columbus's decision to name Trinidad after the Blessed Trinity and the tree peaks of the Southern Mountain Normal Range called the Three Sisters, which a sailor on Columbus' flagship saw on the horizon the fruited coconut palm.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Is that a palm tree?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Is that a coconut?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe I shouldn't talk about this.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: The fruited coconut palm dates back to the great seals of British colonial Tobago in the days when the islands were separate, a separate administrative unit.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Well, tobagonians, go on, that gone.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Our motto together we aspire, together we achieve speaks for itself.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: And to promote harmony we quote our arms and say the coat arms.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: So let me go through this piece by piece.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I think the plumes represent something you know me can't remember if that's something I can't remember, but I'm happy to see the three vessels of theft are removed and replaced by something that come out of our soil.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean it come out of our soil.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: So I think to valdez question on who should make the decision as to what is on there.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I like the idea that a designer and a carnival designer and so noted artists kyle elchong and george bailey work on this.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I feel is a good thing to do that every way.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: It was a generation of generations 28 years once a generation.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: We should find a noted artist and a great carnival designer to look at this now.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: So now is good time for people like um minchell.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I was on a wrong, he's still.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: He's still.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: He's still doing thing.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: What about mark fallon?
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: We could get mark fallon and same um chay lovelace who was on them fellas odyssey podcast.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe two of them could review this and see how these emblems held up historically, because things don't always hold up well historically.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Case in point, there's an artist by the name of puff daddy, sean combs daddy who I liked a lot until I saw him on a video kick a woman in her face with all his strength and all his might.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I don't know if I like him that much anymore.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: So, as simple as it might seem, I remember growing up with a michael jackson poster on my wall as a person I admire and I like a lot if I had a diddy poster on my wall now I would probably take it, though it does not mean that I forgot diddy.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that when I hear it, you know the part of the benjamin is going.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I might feel the same way, I might feel differently, but what I am not going to do, and I am not willing to do, is commemorate him as part of my visual.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I look at this everyday or wear jerseys with Diddy face on it.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I will not do that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I will stop short.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: So I want people to stop trying to make the argument that changing emblems or changing the name on the street and so on is equivalent to forgetting history or rewriting history.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: This is not.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: The history is the history.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: The truth is the truth, and what happened there happened there.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I just think that the person who has to make the decision is the person in charge.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: To answer Valdez's question right.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: So when these fellas and them was in charge, them both is the biggest thing to them and the most the greatest thing to them and thing for them to commemorate.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Good, so it was there.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: And from 1962 to today is about what?
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: 75 years, how much of a year, is it?
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: It was there and we commemorated it.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Consider it commemorated, we good.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Now you see, this era of our history.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: It's like I tell in the class over the weekend I I think of every podcast episode as one of 10 000.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: So consider the first 50 something years of our history, you know I mean, as being what it was.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: But we are, but we are going to be independent for 10,000 years, for hundreds of thousands of years.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: So you see, that little piece of this, what we're arguing about here, it's insignificant.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: It will be in the history books and it will never change.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: But what I don't want it to be is on every street in Port of Spain, every street in St Joseph, every street in Arima named after these lying tiefing bastards.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: Two girls were arguing this morning while we're passing.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: They thought they were all politicians.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: I listened carefully and I went and composed this song.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: Now listen to how my story goes.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Jane and Josephine had a quarrel.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Jane said we do more import than export today.
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: Josephine said listen girl.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: Politicians don't care about me For the big brain in the world they do things so damn ugly.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Time has come but we, we to stop talking stupidness.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: The time has come for we to learn how to do business yeah, what I'm telling you, I hope you understand and we stop grabbing you from eating our blood till I do.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: Time to make progress, get on the scene.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: This is what Bill Cheney was was telling me.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Stupid Josephine, Josephine, get in the yard in brown panty on Cussing just like if she mad.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: Hear how she carrying on.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: The time has come to move this government from faith.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: The time has come for someone else to lead in the way.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: We don't care about import or revenue.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: All I need is easy cash to leave as happy as you.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Our country, rich Josephine, say From small.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Let teachers sing what we have.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: We must give away.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Today we can hardly give.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you can see we get in.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: We have to live.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: You take this tip from me.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jane, the time has come for me to take life much seriously.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: The time has come for me to stop living.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, free.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: We like so much freeness, we like so much fat.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: Just move this present government.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: They'll see we were not free to act.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: I love my family.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: The time has come to let Columbus take his ship I mean ships and I'm going back and I'm going to tell him where to put it serious matters now, right, serious matters.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: So Trinidad and Tobago again.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: No matter how we try to escape it, we get a little sedated with our little Olympics talk and with our little coatlympics talk and with a little coat of arms talk and the cpl coming up on premier league, start back all the fantasy team doing.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean I'm only good for the first two or three weeks in fantasy football, right.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Every time I start fantasy football and in two, twos I get fed up and I have a bad weekend.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like following through.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: But it's always nice to start the season and, um, pick a little side and hopefully they decide to do good on them kind of thing, right.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: So sometimes them things is little distractions, little sedatives and so on.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: But after dealing with all that and you know, I mean all the different things that we we follow and we enjoy and we love about trinidad and tobago you kind of wake up to headlines like these right, six bandits killed by cops in Freeport.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: No, this is something that and when I, when I said in the beginning of the episode, I started to see a change or a turn of the tide where crime is concerned, this is what I meant.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Right, because the comments under that article initially when police it because initially I would have seen something like an ian allen report that basically said um, with not much detail as ian allen reports tend to be, at least initially, it just said police kill six people, right, and the tendency is I I'm not sure if it's just the commenters I always remember my good partner brian here.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Man, it's a little brand talking about do you use social media as a judge of the opinion of the people, like a popular opinion is not right.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I always keep that in mind.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: But when you see the comments in those spaces under articles like those, you tend to find that there's a general doubt of the police and a mistress of the police in favor of people who the police, so in other words, people saying what them police do.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: It's like they're trying to silence people a little young girl in the mix like what they do.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, more and more start to come out about the article, and even as more was revealed about the article and the fact that it was people who had robbed somebody recently or accused of or I don't know if you could say accused of with the proven as robbing people, and they, the police killed them and I seen more of a shift of the pendulum because before it would have been the police wicked and the thing and the people was innocent, and then police and thing thing and the involvement crime, and I see a switch now towards great job.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Only do a great job, thank God, only catch him, and so on.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: And I want to read a little bit of this article for you right From a few different sources.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: One is from the Guardian by annalisa paul right six bandits killed by cops in freeport victim.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not sorry for them.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Hours after three-armed bandits broke into his balmy in couver home and robbed him of a quantity of cash and jewelry, the elderly victim said he was pleased they were among six people killed by police in an alleged confrontation.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Around noon yesterday edward taylor, 68 years old, expressed no remorse over the killings which took place at Razak Trace, calcutta Road, freeport No.2.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Yesterday's police-involved shooting brought the number of people killed by law enforcement to 9 in 4 days.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: 4 of the 6 killed were identified as Kevin St Bernard, kevin John Jovan, simon Salani, saloni Rangel and Nicholas Caesar.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: In an interview around 1.30 at his home, traumatized victim Taylor said he don't feel sorry for people like them.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: As they used to say a long time, a thief is a murderer.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: When they come in your place they're going to kill you, especially if they know you.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: He recalled how the home invasion unfolded at 6.30 am after he was confronted by three armed men as he came out of the washroom.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Taylor said the men robbed him of $600 in cash, a quantity of jewelry including three gold rings, three gold chains, a gold bureau all totaling over $60,000, his bank card and a bank book.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Is that a bank book?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: And forced him to ride down his pin before fleeing in a waiting car.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Uh, resident of kuva for more than 30 years, he said I have no enemy with nobody.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: He said I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't gamble.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: He always home.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Asked about the crime situation in the area, both taylor and the neighbor uh agreed they were accustomed to living free on what he would say to police battling criminal elements.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Taylor praised them, saying right now I would tell them they're doing a very good job when it comes to these kind of things, although he admitted feeling shaken up by the robbery and would stay uh be staying with a relative.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Taylor said he was too used to operating on his own to let criminals take away his independence.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I really I was moved by that statement because it's a real violation when somebody come in your place and to to, to go from that to saying listen, I, I too old for this is basically what he's saying, a big old man like me.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: He said nobody ain't moving me from where I live in.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: I read him from the express, now right.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: He quoted here, saying I walked out of the washroom and saw three men standing in the living room.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to imagine that for a minute.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make this too sad, but just imagine that for a minute.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Imagine that feeling of a 60 year, 68 year old person who's saying that you see, I walk with a cane.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: So they made me sit down on the couch and they pointed that gun at me and asked me for the money and the goal.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Uh, I remember in another, in another article, he was asking them well, what goal, what money?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I don't have no money and thing.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: And you know there was a recording where he was talking about it and the guy was asking him well, what they do?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: They do your wife anything, they do you anything.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: And he said, well, no, the in thing.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: But he asked them more money.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: He had no set of money, not a rich man, and all them thing.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Now tell me why you have to be studying, whatever you do in life, to get your beer or your money home or whatever it is you have.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: When exactly we reach to the point where people, feeling so entitled to come in your house, wait for you to come out of the bathroom, put you to sit down and force you to hand over what you work hard for, what you get over the years?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Them know people get things, force you to hand over what you work hard for, what you get over the years.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Them know, them know people get things.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: So it it.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: And I I will say that I was one of these people right where I would hear people say you had to eliminate them, you had to kill them.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: It's, I know, it's a no way that you can't.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: You know you could.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: You could bend vine when they're young, you could bend plants and ledger, but when they get old and hard, so they have no talking to them.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: So all this talking we're doing on a weekly basis here about crime and things that could make the country better, we talking to people who are already doing the things to make the country better and not doing things to make the country worse.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that anybody who interested in making this a better place doing anything like this, and I don't know that anybody doing anything like this interested in making this a better place, them studying their self at the expense of whoever and I I like the way he put it to you know, because he basically saying that you could feel sorry, you could do what you want, but if, if them get it, drop on you, they're looking to kill you.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: You're not going to live.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: You know you're not seeing.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow, if them fellas come in your house and they feel you's a threat, or police come all of a sudden, you know, shoot out in your house, they want to do your wife this, do your chair, and that this is not this, this is not.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Um, there's not people who come in here every week to listen to no podcast, to talk about betterment and this and that and learn thing about this and try to figure out how to better themselves.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: And 1% talk and listen to Calypso and thing.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: There's a different world.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: They talk on the block in these places and thing.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: I myself might be shocked to sit down and hear the level of the level of idleness and the level of how low the regard for life is in these spaces and I ain't talking about me and your life, just the own life where they see it.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: As boy, we had to get our five thousand tonight.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: If we dead, we dead, you understand, and that that is a dangerous thing in our society.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: So me too, no, because I will say that over the last few weeks I have observed that the law enforcement like this thing with six people and I think before that was four people, just last week or a week before.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: There's a, there's a higher rate of police killing bandits, right, and people have been saying this.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: I hear people use say things long time like just drop a whole bomb and laventy and just get.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with those things.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: And I've heard people who, if you want to call it a little more measured, say you had to go in and snipe them out.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, you had to smoke them out and take them out.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: It's, I know, fixing, because what we were doing we just spinning top in mud.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Because they have a stronger influence on the youth that we need to to take a positive path to make this place a better place.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: They have a bigger voice and a stronger influence with the youths than we will ever have.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: So people saying to save the youths of tomorrow, you have to get rid of these brutes of today.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean and it's not something that I'd always agreed with, but I I will say that the sentiment has been changing, both for me and for what I see in on the comments under each one of them things, and I, I want, I want to say that, um, I I having a feeling right, because I, I know only remember a few weeks ago, when we were talking about, about the ministry of national security and the Minister of National Security who I know you love dearly, right, the great Fitzgerald Ethelbert Hines.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Right, tell me, if you realize something, you realize like, since Scotland, gone there, the police, the police.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean Taking the fight to the criminals in Scotland.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Gone there.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: You know the coal pot man himself, you know what I mean the best hairstyle in Parliament.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if this is what they put scotland to do.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: But, uh, I stop in just short, just short of saying is a positive step, because the I don't know if I want to stop short on that now.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: The police had to continue to take the fight to these youths.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: They must be fearful of coming in your home and doing these kind of things.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: The car continues to live a life where people in the middle of the day snatching people's purse and things.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know when Trinidad comes to this, and I'll say this as well because I did see the father of one of the two sons.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: So they say father of two sons killed by cops.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: The headline here by Annalisa.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Paul again says I did my best with him.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: He said even as he grieves the loss of his two sons who were among six men killed in the alleged shootout with police on Wednesday.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Soon John wants the nation to know that he did his best as a father, pulling hard on a cigarette in his hand as he blinked his tears away.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: The father of eight said as a parent you don't always know what your children are about when they step out there.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: John lost his sons, kadeem 23, and Salim 19.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Here the age of these little children and the police involved that incident in Razak and so on and so on.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: The other suspects were identified.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: We talked about that earlier.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: I just want to get to what the father was saying.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Salim was working as a fisherman, despite the criminal charges hanging over Kadeem's head.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: John claimed both boys were working alongside him in construction on whatever odd jobs he picked up soon and kadim and salim lived at his house but would often stay at their grandmother's house in margaret's village, clackston bay.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: He said he had initially learned of the shooting on the news, he said.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Regarding salim, he said he never gave himself into no kind of incident with the law of kadim.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Sullen acknowledged that he was known to the police and had a criminal record, but added he never killed nobody.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Uh, despite despite this, he described his sons and as nice, loving children, noting that despite what was said about them in the public domain, they always conducted themselves in a certain way.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: In his house, he said sometimes, as a parent, it doesn't know what your child in, and not in all parents, we just be in the dark until whatsoever come about.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Because when your child home they love in the nice days a certain way, when they step outside is a different story.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: He said they wouldn't just stand up and watch nobody advantage nobody.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: They would stand up for the right thing, and sometimes the right thing doesn't go together with the law.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: They might, might do a little something, but it's not killers, saying he had no choice but to accept their debts.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: He said we can't change it, we just have to live with it and keep going forward.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: I want to salute him, man, and I feel for him in the way he talked about this.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: I want to say this right, we have a tendency to be upset with parents in a cynical way when these things happen.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: We say be upset with parents and we in a cynical way.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: When these things happen, we say, all right, well, wait for the father to come and say he was a good boy, the mother to say he was a good boy.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: I remember talking about this years ago what you want the mother or the father to say, what I, I know households.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I have been in households already with people who were, who choose the criminal lifestyle, and I could tell you, in them households, I, I, with people who will take care of me and protect me and help me, and if I, if I, hungry, they will give me something to eat.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: And if me and I know brands are nothing to wear, I would get something to wear.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: And I could tell you, like I have a family member who would have chose that path and eventually lost his life in the same, in the same type of life.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: And I feel that I remember going to that funeral and I had to call my partner, my partner damien.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: I had to call him and say, outside this church, you're coming back, I can't go in, because what I feeling for him to go in and see him, two of us is the same age, we must be 20 little bit at that time.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: What I feeling at that point I can't describe because this is a little boy I grew up with, from baby.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: We grew up together and I wasn't gonna lie with him, no way, and I, when he come around at that time I want to get small because me able.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: That that has a little too much tempo for me.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: But it never stopped me from feeling sad or feeling sorry for who I know him to be or what he had the potential to become if he didn't choose that, and it also didn't stop me from knowing that that man make a choice and how you make your bed does your way along.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: I think that's what this father's saying.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: So when you have mother saying he's a good boy, you hear the father saying respectful, and he this and he that isn't.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're necessarily trying to defend the child, they're just trying to say what this father might have said better than I've seen anybody say it.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Sunil, trying to say when they're home is a different set of training you're seeing than when they're out there.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: I know they had a little criminal record and thing and as a parent you want to love them, you want to support them.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: What you're going to do is support your big, big old man and woman.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: When I go in, my mother be calling me all the time how you going, how's your thing?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: You get through with this.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: I suppose that's how a parent, that's how you have to be.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: So I want to say that we talk a lot about parenting in this crime situation in trinidad and tobago and it's true, parenting get a little while and the society get a little while as a result.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: But I want to say that we can't just sit down and point fingers at parents and say, oh, you're not raising all your children and that is what caused anything.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: That is not a solution, right?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: If it is, we're looking at solutions.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: We have to help children whose parents failed them.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: We, me and you we had to help them Because we have a tendency to and I'm talking about myself, all of us, I'm talking about myself, right, we have a tendency to avoid the hotspot thing.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Try and make a little money, go in a gated community, separate yourself from the thing as much as you could.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Or even if your community is not gated, make sure that you're well, properly gated and burglar-proof and locked and your car is safe.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: You know, the self-preservation of the society could only make it worse.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: We can't treat children as if they are not our children.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: All the children in the nation, whether they come on the NINJA, the PINJA or whoever's a media, all of them is our children, all of us.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Unless we start to view it that way, we're not going to come out of a crime situation.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Unless we come out and we stop saying is is this one?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean is is that that parent has a fault, or heinz at fault, or rowley at fault, or cam lander we, unless we stop saying that and we get or say it but also try to help mold one of these, because we we talk about the music and how it raised in train and the gangsters and how it raised in train, as if we cannot play a role as people in society to help raise children and come together and connect.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: I I live in a little area in shogunate for a long time where I saw, with a lot of effort of community members, what I know as a village in st james.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I saw, I saw village life come back.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Then you know, I mean because because when I grew up in St James, I eat by everybody, everybody eat by.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: We know all of our parents, we know all of our you know youth man who passed away or passed away last week.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Salute to the Prince family and condolences.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: It's shocking to hear this little youth man well, I say little youth man in his 30s, but you know what I mean.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: It's shocking to hear he passed away.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: But, um, we grew up where we used to.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like each one teach one and everybody help one another.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: And if we know you in a situation where your mother and father, your father gone and your mother far gone, you know I mean the society kind of play a role to hold.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: You, the village, and the village was other parents, bigger brothers, and I always tell a story about carlos, who's a man who was on the block and I like the block a lot, but carlos used to make me go home and thank god I get to see carlos the other day and he said my boy, I know I.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: He said you was too good for that, you couldn't, he wasn't allowing me to be out there.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: And I vex like hell.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: You know I vex like hell when carlos tell me go my side, but carlos didn't want me to be one of the boys, I want to be one of the boys.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: But carlos, as a big man I talk about, must see, this year or late last year, carlos tell me well, boy, you wasn't to be no part of this boy.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: And carlos and them time has fine carlos in it.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: But carlos, tell me now, you had to go home.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: You, you are better, it's better for you in life than that.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: And carlos just stand up and talk to me and everyone.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: He he said but I'm so glad, you see, I'm glad you get through and I'm glad you move out and you're doing good.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: And he said I always study how you're going and I always remember you.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: And the society and it play a role.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: The gangsters play a role, the good boys play a role, the church play a role, the school play a role, because I can't tell you how much football I play in st agnes schoolyard when we wasn't supposed to be there, and how much a footballer playing st james, like it's like.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: But somehow everything just get fragmented.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: And even on the parents, who have the odds stacked against them, we seem to think that we should still leave it up to them and let them figure it out.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: And even the teachers, who have all the odds stacked against them.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: We seem to say, well, let the teachers figure it out.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: They'll tell us stories about children in their school and so on.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: So I think it's time that we I have two songs to play from Brigo here related to this situation.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: I have a little more crime to talk about, so let me be, but it's two songs I want to play from Brigo here.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: That's so powerful when it comes to this, because we shift from that to this and the only way to get back is to go back to that from this very situation I mean.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: So taking these two, for the first one is one called walking in the dark when I was a little fella, growing right here in this land, I used to see the other little fella showing respect to the elder one.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: But today, around the corner, all of that changed entirely.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: Today they're marching you, squeezing youums in you, shooting you without saying sorry, like if we walking in the dark.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking in the dark as long as man have no respect for man and all to catch good hell in this land.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking in the dark, like if we walking in the dirt, like if we walking in the dark as long as man have no respect for man, I know to catch good hell in this land.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: When I was a little fella and me parents send me to school, All who I meet around the corner, I had to show respect as a rule.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: But today I got some little fella, my friend.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: They don't know their place.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: They will see I and you walking up and down the street and cussing in front me face, Like if we walking in the dark.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking in the dark as long as man have no respect for man, man ought to catch good hell in this land.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking as long as man have no respect for man.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: Man ought to catch good hell in this land.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: When I was a little fella growing in my parents' place, I used to see a lot of supper.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: I had to bow and say me grace.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: But today I got some little fella, my friend.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: They don't know their place.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: They will see I am walking up and down the street and cussing in front of peace, Like if we walking in the dark.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking in the dark as long as my uncle respect for man and how to catch good hell in this land.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: Like if we walk in.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: Like if we walk in as long as my respect for man and how to catch good hell in this land.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: When I was a little fella Growing in my parents place, Just before I go to take my supper, I had to bow and see my grace.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: But today I got some little fella, my friend.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: You tell them time to eat.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: They will not give thanks to the man above the one that have them on their feet.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking in the dark.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking in the dark as long as man have no respect for man.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: Man ought to catch good hell in this land.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: Like if we walking, like if you walking.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: Like if you walking respect for man.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: I know to catch good hell in this land.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: When I was a little fella growing in my father's land, yes, I used to see a lot of Ma and Papa showing respect to little children, but today it got some Ma and Papa going to be the children don't fall, Because a lot of us just studying cash, not studying to train with kids at all.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: Like if you're walking in the dark, like if Thank you, Come and have more respect for man and how to catch good hair in this land, Thank you.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Kaiso from Kaisola.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: And I have a next one to play for you now, because the next article I'm getting into here is from Johnson Levin, the Guardian.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: It says Family flees TNT after being targeted by extortionists.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Another thing, again very popular here now, the whole world of doubles in trinidad is a space where, for the longest, while you started hearing things about those men, like those men who pay no tax, they get everything in cash and they take a box and they go into the cash home and so on, and it seemed to be that the assumption is that a doubles man is a man you know what I mean a poor man struggles, micro business, small enterprise.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: But somewhere along the line people started to realize that doubles men are making plenty of money, I guess, especially the ones who have several branches, like Source, and they're starting to become the target of extortion.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: And I myself was asking myself well, what is Doubles Men involved in so that they're being targeted all of a sudden?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: And it's the wrong question to ask, really, because the truth is, if Doubles Men, if anybody involved in anything nefarious, the police should deal with that and they should be reported and addressed and face the court like everybody else, and they should be reported and addressed and face the court like everybody else.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: But if people start to realize if they have a criminal element in the country, who, while we're doing strategic, what we call strat planning session, them doing strat planning session too, it ain't going to take them long to figure out.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, cash business is a good place to start a rub, because I always talk about the guy in St James who had a cup.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Of top of Clarence Street on Western Main Road A burger man there, glad James Ward.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Top of Clarence Street on Western Main Road A burger man there, glad for the little burger man.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: When you come back from party long time you shoot a little pool and a scottic one outside the burger man there.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: You're going by Bobo and play a little thing.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: You're going to the racing pool the burger man there.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Any hour of the night you come out here and the amount of different times you get robbed until you eventually stop selling.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: You know I mean how, how we go progress as a society if a man can't make a business and lock up your place and go home when you have to be studying to get extorted, or what kind of society you want to live in if doubles men can't sell doubles without having to worry about people attacking them.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: And there were a few instances where I saw doubles men getting shot and it's not a robbery because they didn't come and take what was in the box.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean you know, just leave that and they shoot up the place.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: And imagine you go on to buy your doubles and eat you know, say you know and think about you, say I shot fire and that's what trend had come to.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: But this kind of clearing up some of that for me not saying that I, I don't know what people involved in behind the scenes, but this kind kind of makes sense.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Because if the business is extortion which we know to be a thing in Trinidad for a long time several people who deal with businesses, especially those that collect cash, have stories about people coming to tell you them go protect you and they go send protection.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: And the truth is, if you don't pay the protection, it's them you really need the protection from.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: So what you're paying is an extortion fee.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: So they say extortion tried by criminals have forced a business to flee the country.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: A business family, sorry.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Uh, one of the owners of pablo's double said after the family was asked to pay 75 000 and their home at stratum lodge extension, sinagustin was shot at on the august, august 4th, the family fled.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Pablo's doubles has three locations between tunapuna and St Augustine.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: The owner of one outlet, who was asked not to be identified, said other businesses were also shot at and demands for payment made.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: He said those businesses paid the demands because they could not afford to leave Trinidad.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: He said we just put our whole lives in our suitcase and left.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: I'm never coming back, maybe for a vacation.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: He said the family has no idea what the next move will be as they settle in north america.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Uh asked what the authorities can do to encourage them to return home.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: He said what can the authorities do?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: These guys are going to do what?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Go in front the judge and get bail and eventually this will continue to go on.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: He says not stopping.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Their reports have increased extortion of businesses in sinagustin.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Mp khadija, the I mean yesterday appealed for the intervention of the government and the police.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: She said small businesses were being targeted and while the owners could flee, the employees were being left behind jobless.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: This is an important statement to remember If Pablo's Doubles was making good money where somebody could identify them and watch them and say they could pay $75,000 in cash for them to be left alone or to be quote unquote protected.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: These might be people who might be do well enough and they say, listen, let me go, I'll go over there.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: And if they have entrepreneurial spirit, it's very likely that the very doubles the selling here for five and six TT they will go over there and sell for five and six US and they will do fine.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: What tends to suffer is the whole system, the employees.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: What tends to suffer is the whole system the employees, the suppliers, the customers.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we look at these things as systemic issues or if we still look at it as that is a doubles man problem.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: You know, doubles man is such an important part of the fabric of the society.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, if they remove the plumes and they put two barra and they put some chana where the helmet is, that might make for a bad quote.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: I'm some, you know I prefer that.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: I mean said that while the cybercrime unit and the other arms of the police are working on those who came forward, the greater issue was the recovery of the community after business owners flee, leaving employed people, unemployed people behind deputy commissioner police junior benjamin said extortion remains a top matter for the police and the establishment of a dedicated unit to tackle that crime is being considered.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: He said we are putting strategies in place to deal with that.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: So as reports come in, we are looking at these requests based on their merits.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: So more situations where the crime will continue to affect us.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: And again, brigo brigo have a song here called life of a trinidadian.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: So when I say this is what we need to get back to, this is what I'm talking about a foreign woman begs me every night.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: She wants me to tell she she thinks we're not that in like I did not tell she Mama, we like to spend Plenty money when we're all good friends and look at LG that night.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: There is more things we like plenty eating, plenty drinking, plenty talking and love making.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: We like to talk in the.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: The mic is a thing we like.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: We like the way we live in.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: We like the things we do.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you something.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is true.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: Some of we train a dad, man, men.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: We love the women bad.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: We like to hug we children, we different women in Trinidad I look at LG that night.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: There is more things we like Our country, plenty money, expensive clothes on we body.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: We like to bet all night.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: These are the things we like, mama, when we betting here in this country.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: Negroes, indians, syrians, chinese, like one family, everybody drinking, looking up to unite.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you something these are the things we like.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: Look, I tell you that night there is more things we like.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: We can love and we can die.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back It'll go back to that simpler Trinidad and a quick, quick, quick, quick, quick.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: But once you see it's a thing to do with problem, the more advanced and the more entrepreneurial minds and the more solution oriented people just come up with solution, come up with solution and gratefully we have a solution oriented guy here who I don't know how much longer he will be here for, figuratively and otherwise, but here this is a great austin jack warner.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I ain't so sure what is happening with him.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: It looking like if at some point in time he could be extradited, but I mean, I doubt he have any chance of getting extradited at this point.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: They're talking more about the case getting thrown out than him being affected in any way with any extradition and all that kind of thing.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: But in an exclusive interview with Andre Errol Batiste, one of the sports kings in Trinidad and Tobago, which starts out, it starts off about sports, but it quickly went into.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I wasn't ready, let me put it that way, I wasn't ready.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: It quickly went into some solutions for just the very things we're talking about here, where the society seems to have slipped away from us, the lawlessness going clear and we don't seem to have a handle outside of society.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: What's my cold pot partner name?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Again, outside of cold pot, we don't seem to have a handle on the crime situation in the country at all.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: But again, I just wait on the great austin jack warner to provide us with solutions.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: So he was up uh, I guess it's a call to i-95.5 and errol andrea alberti show, where he was able to express himself a little bit about our chances of getting in the World Cup as well as the crime situation in Trinidad.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: I could play a little bit for you before before I get into this, right before I get into this, I also want to salute Trinidad and Tobago's under 15 team.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: And a little fella I know from small.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: I teach him everything you know.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: I teach him everything you know when I come to playing football.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: I teach him everything a little fella by the him, everything he know.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: When it comes to playing football, I teach him everything A little fella by the name of Regan Rowe and his team and everybody who represents in the team led by Denzel Theobald, and I think it's a CFU championship that they're playing now.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: They win their first game.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: I think it's 3-1.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: And then they just beat somebody else.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's nil.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: So them fellas and them doing good.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: But according to the great austin jack warner, we might have to wait until we see reagan and them come up before we could see a world cup.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: Or, according to him, he might never see a world cup again.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Let me, let me, let me tell it for yourself.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Here I just playing a whole clip from andrew errol bautista and and jack warner of medals at an olympics.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: This is unheard of.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 6: And then we ask ourselves why.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: It is easy to know why and therefore I am not.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: I'm saying to you once again I'm not surprised at the development of sport, of our sport, in the Olympics.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: Is that?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: And switching a little bit here, is it only track and field and cycling and swimming?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 8: Mr Warno, you seeing it on other sports, football I mean.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: I've seen it every sport.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: let me answer you.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 6: I've seen it every sport football, cricket, track and field, you name it.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: We have regrets and let me tell you this and who vex, vex?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: We will not see a World Cup final in football in our collective lifetime.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: Come on, jack, we won't you mean hold on, you mean you mean you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean, you mean qualify, even for the one coming up, even for the one coming up even for the one coming up and remember, I have told you.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: So we have gotten more.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: We have gotten.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: I come into you now.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: Okay, we have gotten more, more, more chances, more slots to qualify yes, no, but our chances will will not be better and will be worse.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: First of all?
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: First of all, we do have the talent at the top that will allow our footballers to be coached.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 6: We do have the competition at the bottom.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: Andre, if I ask you to tell me to name, in fact you may know, but ask the average trained Italian to name five footballers in the country, for you see, he can't he can't, but I understand what you're saying.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 8: I know you can but I'm saying the average trainee cannot.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 8: Cannot.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: I want to ask you this question based on what you said.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 8: You said we don't have the coaches.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 8: Angus Eve is no longer there and they're using Derrick King, who you will know.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 8: Derrick King was involved with Joe Public.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 8: They're using Derrick King right, who you will know.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 8: Derrick King was involved with Joe Public.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: They're using Derrick King right now.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: What are your thoughts?
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: I know Derrick King very well.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: He used to coach my club, joe Public, and so on.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: I know him very well, but Derrick King is out of his league.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: He is out of his league.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: Derrick King doesn't understand the nuances of coaching at the World Cup level, and that's the difference.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: We are talking about Derrick King.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: He's not in binhacker class, so to speak.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah Right, england just didn't do well in cricket.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 6: What have they done?
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: They dropped their coach and they put Southgate as a temporary coach, but they're looking for a top-class person to put in place because they understand what sport means.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 8: They got rid of Southgate.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 8: Southgate resigned.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: And they put a guy called Taz in there.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: They resigned and got rid of the same thing, yes in this case, yes, same thing, and they are not looking for a top class coach.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: What are we doing?
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 8: Are we the money?
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 8: Mr Warner, when you were there, the money was formed to Warner.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 8: When you were there sorry to cut you, sir when you were there, the money was formed to pay Ben Hacker.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 8: But where can we get the money now to pay a top-class coach?
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: If you get the money.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: So this is particularly the part I want you to listen to.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Right, don't listen to nothing he said before, because we're going to the World Cup.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: Right, don't let Jack sidetrack you.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: But there's the part of ways to listen to.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: To play a top class coach, you will spend less money in the prisons, less money in the judiciary, less money in national security, because the money you save in national security you will pump back into sport.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: It follows, andre, it follows.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: You have to prioritize and see what's important for you and if sport is the vehicle for national unity and for development and for people's pride and so on, put the money where it is.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: I recall we qualified for Germany, 2006.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: And for 2010, I had to put my hand in my pocket to pay a assistant, to go straight to pay Ben Hacker assistance to coach Triant in Tobago, because even then I want to play this second part for you.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: So he's saying that after they had qualified for the World Cup, he had to pay Ben Hacker himself to be able to get Ben Hacker to carry on.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: If people can remember, after we qualified, ben Hacker came back here as the coach at Triant inago and it wouldn't.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't have last two years before we had to let him go.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: And to tell you, literally 2010 team might have as good a chance of qualifying as the 2016, but I believe latter p took over the job and it was not the same as under ben hacker.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: So maybe and this is something that I don't understand and I will always vouch for local coaches I was a big supporter, angus if I feel we should get our coaches there, but if there's something that the international, the coaches I don't know if it's higher accreditation or just more international experience they know, then we had to create a system where our local coaches get to that level before we make that move to leave local coaches there, because in 2010 we qualified for the last rung of which we call the hex.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Right, we qualified for that rung, but we just never show up and we end up some points short in games that you could see, we could win or save points on rather than losing, and we just had a lot of the core of the team that went to 2006 was still there in 2010, with some youth added to it, and we just couldn't make it.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: But I want to continue this interview with Errol Batiste so you can hear where he's going.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: And though we had the money, the competency value of sport I recall we didn't wear sports men and sport Women have to spend their own money to pay for getting attended to, for their injuries and so on.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: How could that be possible?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you are aware of other stories as well.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: It does not help, it just does not help, and I'm saying that until we get serious about sport, nothing from nothing will leave nothing.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 8: Let me ask you this question because you bring it up right In terms of football.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: What about the football, the current football administration?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 8: Have you hoped that they can turn things around at all, or not?
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: Well, they are still green and it's too early for me to judge.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: Though, at the top they have some geriatrics.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: I think that, of course, who should have left football a long ago?
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: I won't call names and so on, but I think that it is a bit too early for me to make a comment on them.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: All I can say is I wish them well.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 8: Do you think they will get corporate support from Triantabego?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: They will not based on the mood and the way people here operate.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: People here corporate, corporate people here operate when they see you successful, not at the beginning, when you need the funds to help you develop and to succeed, and so on.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: So they do not come in at the beginning, where they are needed badly, but they come in at the end and you see them with full-page ads.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: You see them, of course, meeting people at the airport, you see them with their products being sponsored and so on.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 6: Yes, that is good, but must come in at the beginning, not at the end.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 8: Do you see any coach?
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 8: You mentioned Derek King, not at this time, but do you see any local coach being able to do this job, or we must get an overseas coach?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: There is no local coach that can keep you trying to be good until you wake up.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 6: At this point in time, none.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: I mean that sincerely, that criticism, that is a pragmatic, that's a realistic statement.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: We don't have it.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: We just don't have it.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: Jamaica coach has qualified and what are they doing?
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 8: They are looking for a top class coach and they have not even got self-right job.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 8: That is correct.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 6: Look where they have gone.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: Look where Jamaica has gone.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: They don't have the energy and the oil that we have, but you know something, what they have, they have the pride that we don't have, and that's the difference.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 8: What's the latest, mr Warner, in terms of the matter Involving yourself, I remember.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: You lock up.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: That's the latest right you lock up.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: At some point In time you lock up.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: But two things coming out of that right.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: I will talk about the football a little bit, but again salute to the under 15 team, who doing great now and the amount of promise that they showing is a a kind of dreadful statement by Jack Warner who, as Andrea Elberti said, sort of credited with again helping Trinidad get to the highest level, which I don't know if he helped us as much as he helped himself.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: Some of the help we get is our byproduct of helping yourself right, which is a normal thing in this country.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: But when we have a team now who have the best chance of any team in history qualifying because of the circumstances, you have the top three teams in conquer calf hosting the tournament, so canada, mexico and usa out of qualifying.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: You have more spaces for us to get into the world cup.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: So the real teams we have um to compete with are costa rica and jamaica.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Mostly panama seem to be up there with us and we can't beat them these days.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: Guatemala up there and them things.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Keep in mind that Angus Eve was fired after two matches against Grenada and whoever we beat five, we beat somebody by plenty and we draw with Grenada right, but Costa Rica in this group.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: So we will soon be playing against the Costa Rica team, who could stand in our way of qualifying, and we have a caretaker coach in derrick king, who was the assistant coach at the time.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: I like the point that jack warner is making right, because the interviews seem to be more around the olympics and the underperforming of our team at the olympics on the olympic stage and a broader issue about sports in trinidad and tobago.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: And when he listen, if you spend the money on sports, you will save the money in the judiciary and in the penal system and all them types of things.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: That's something that I believe.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: I believe in giving youth opportunities and sports is one of the opportunities that we could continue to give youth right.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: So when I look at my time going to Fatima right, I remember going under 14 training and the men who so, before you start form one, you go to under 14 practice and try to make the team right.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: The men who make the under 14 cricket team and the under 14 football team what they used to call giants back in the day was the same men who I went new tongue boys with and play football.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: It was us who make the under 14 team when we went Fatima.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: The other men who didn't go new tongue that make the under 14 team is men who we play against in primary school In schools, like against schools like Rosary Boys and Richmond Street Boys, and that is who you used to play against.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: When you see them and then you see the past of Fatima, you know he faced from playing football against him and that is who make up fatima team right fast forward to today, many, many years down the road.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: And the youths who making up fatima team is a whole bunch of youths who went private school right when I, when I watch the you, you know I mean of the youths who in this school are playing good football.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: No knocking them at all.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: The men put in their time and they're in clubs and so on.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: But the investment that these youth parents make in them, they are plenty better footballers than I was when I went Fatima at the time.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: These are polished footballers going into Fatima to play under 13 tournament.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: They go beat people right and they're all good.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: But when you hear what they're from, it's Holy Name, prep and Don Ross and all these schools that are private schools and you know who their parents may be right.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: It is something that I like in terms of.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: When I was in school there were lots of children from Don Ross and then we used to beat them.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Fellas coming and going, you know Newtown boys, when you catch Don Ross he's 11.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Gaines Normal is about 25, we hitting them Holy Name, prep is gold like dirt.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Them is side who you used to play to up your little confidence as a player back in the day.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Now, don Ross' primary school side beating Fatima in practice matches is good footballers.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Point I'm making is this in practice matches is good footballers.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Point I'm making is this and in my time it was youths in the area, in communities like I was in st james, men from mova, men from diggo, you know, who come together and play football just learning from small I was.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: I was lucky enough.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: My mother sent me harvard and them thing to learn the game.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: All of us in st james either went to harvard or went by kujufi and learn to play football right in st james park and it was a.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: It was a stopping, just short of saying it's a ghetto thing, you know.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: I mean it's communities and villages and things come together and we identify the best boys in the village and everybody get behind them boys in the village who could have played.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: And we play for our schools and like when Compre and Fatima and things playing football, the whole of St James used to walk to Fatima Grounds, to Compre, to St Mary's Grounds.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: We travel and go St Anthony's the whole community used to be behind the sports team because when you look at football and Fatima playing things Sheppey and Ramdu and all of them it's from the community.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: And I see now where football was known as the poor man's sport because with one ball all of us could play right, whereas the poor man couldn't play tennis and golf because all the equipment they need and things you couldn't invest in.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: That even if you're good at it, it might not be the easiest thing for the average person to invest in.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: And I'm seeing a future in Trinidad and Tobago where the days of it being the poor man's sport it is going to come to an end Because the not-poor man is investing in his childhood.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: And here are the not-poor man investing in the child, not sending them.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: No Harvard with 100 boys to play nothing.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: They're getting a coach to come home by them and they are yard big like football field and that coach coming and work with them, child or them and the little cousin or them and the little friend, three at a time and four at a time and five at a time or one on one, according to the level of the child.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: This is what.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: This is the investment they're making that they could afford to make, that I mightn't be able to afford to make for my child or the poor man mightn't be able to make for his child, and they're taking their investment and then they're doubling their investment up by sending them to the clubs like terry fenwick, cuff dunking and um, project pro and uh.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: But I forget the name of some of the clubs Terry Fenwick, kof Duncan and Project Pro.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: I forget the name of some of the clubs.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: They're sending them to these clubs City and Queen's Park, youth or whatever the clubs are.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: They're sending them to these clubs.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: So they're doing home development.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: They're going to the clubs for the investment and then they send them Miami now and they go and play in Barcelona camp, whatever it is.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: So the exposure that they have to the game by the time they reach 11, 12, 13 years old.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: They're just making a bigger separation between them and the just genuinely talented, naturally gifted little youth man whose parents don't have the time, the money or the energy to spend on them in the sport.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: So when Jack Warner talked about us not making a thing thing, I will come ever again and them kind of things.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: Because you tend to find that the, the, those who invest in the children at that level, when they get to be the best, the best footballers, they may not have the same interest in coming back to play for trinidad and tobago and this kind of thing.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: They looking to advance the international interest in coming back to play for Trinidad and Tobago and this kind of thing.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: They're looking to advance their international career, whether it's in football, as a player, as a journalist, as a what do you call the thing now a nun, whatsoever it is or a coach, with all the knowledge they have and the exposure they have and the travel that they have, because they're not going to have the same hunger for the game that somebody who's using it to escape poverty or hardship is going to have.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: So it's an interesting discussion Mr Warner having, and I echo the sentiment.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: It's something that I believe which comes first at this point?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Right, because you're trying to say, the money that you're spending in the judiciary and in the penances and put that in the sports and let the youth.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: In other words, level the playing field, which is what I always talk about with with subsidization and these types of things.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: You have to I should not have to, but you ought to help the people who may not have the wherewithal to help themselves.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: That's what mixed economy is about, right?
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Uh, mixed economies are a robin hood kind of economy, where you take from the rich and they give to the poor, so that you help level the playing field.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: The rich and their children will be fine, you understand.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: So it's something that we should take on board.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: We should take on board in terms of supporting the youths.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: In the States they say the youths from the inner cities.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: You know you have to support them more, and if you see more of that support and that youth sees himself as being able to kick a ball or bounce a ball or hit a ball, and that could take him and his family out of poverty or show better mentors, allow them to see the world, you're going to see a difference in the choice to go and kick in somebody though when we're liming and we block versus to go and train.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: But if we allow it to be a case where, even in sport and the art and culture, the average youth in the hood care see a way out from them things, because when they compare themselves to the level of development that somebody who could spend the money on teaching the child football one-on-one or the dance one-on-one or the pan one-on-one or whatever it is, when they see that gap, the gap starts to look impossible from childhood.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: I just wait to envision the type of society we could be living in if we just sit by and allow them gaps to get wider and wider, because while you might see yourself getting through in football, you had some skill and that that allow you to do something in life.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Like Denzel to your bowl, allow him to go on to be a coach.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: This youth side who doing so well, I see a little bit of I mean, my parents beat it in my head too but I see a little bit of hope in education that I could, I could learn some things and if I learn these things, I could learn some things and if I learn these things, I could apply these things and that would help me to make some money and that would help me see the world and buy nice things and give my child a better chance at life.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: I want you to imagine a Trinidad and Tobago where the average youth who coming out with he ain't born on socks and grew up on carpet and them thing, can't even see education as a way out because the gap between those who can access and afford education is so big for those who can afford.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: But I mean, me ain't come to talk about that, you know.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: I really come to talk about brigo.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you think this get a little serious, you know when it's really kaiso we want to talk about.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: But I have a few brigo lineup for you here to close off the episode, some of my favorites.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: But again, purpose, right, they say the idea is if I'm in a space where I'm saying Brigo and nobody I am, we have to come and play some tune like this right.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: She says she man rockin't going to that for 1980.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, today my neighbor tell me, she man no show, no love to, she never say she never say, she say Sometimes, when I dig right into your mind, the man, like a flame, is going in hot.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: He screams like that.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: What does make a good man a good man?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: So they my neighbor, tell me she have three kids, but she's busy.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: Another day the kids could say they see their daddy Taking their love with their mommy, taking she out to a party.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: It's now I see a lady.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: She's a lady say Thank you, but since she put her in-house on a dungeon.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: Yesterday my neighbor told me she might not show no love to.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: She never saved me, Never saved me.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: She saved me when she heard about women making things sad.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: He just come home and tried to set you mad.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: He's treatment like that.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: That's me, good man, I'm glad.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: I'm playing some brigo here.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: This is what you call B-sides, you know what I mean.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: This is a tune, right, where I hear men sing in parang for a long, long time.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: You see a parang in parmen and and liplat and these places, right, it has some song.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: When you're parang in by people, you want to leave people house and then where to go?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: You sing song like this, right.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: So this is a song I hear parang singing when you see it's four day morning and it's time for Parang to disband.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: Right, he had enough.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: He had to go home now, because keep in mind that while we're Parang and all that wife home dealing with curtain and dealing with this and baking ham and seeing more children and opening gifts and you on your road, parang and having that time, they must be wondering if you're really going to Parang or not, right, and that's one thing they used to play.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: I'll play a little piece for you, right?
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Let's go some legacy, right.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want to mash up my married life.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: I don't want to mash up my married life.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: That's all he's singing.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: He's singing that over and over.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: You learn that song today, right, and I think there are many, many, many, many, many people who might have never heard the original of that song.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: So I want to play it here for you.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: I'm heading up to New York City.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 7: You're waiting.
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  Speaker 7: Last step I went up to New York City to a wedding last week, sir.
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  Speaker 7: I went up to New York City to a wedding last week, sir.
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  Speaker 4: I heard a young woman speaking to the bride.
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  Speaker 7: She stood up speaking for a while After the boat finished sleeping.
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  Speaker 7: I heard a young woman start shouting I don't want to worship in my room.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to match up your marriage.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 7: I can't tell you in the stars to get married.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 7: I don't want to match up your marriage.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: I can't tell you in the sequence of your marriage.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 7: I heard the young woman told her bride and lied to steal a woman's heart.
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  Speaker 7: Woman, you're half a hobbit when you're passing Dropping words for men and women that do sex, you love to be happy.
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  Speaker 7: You have a habit when you're passing dropping words For me, content to have women that do sex.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, men like women who treat them like men.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I love like little children.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, men like women that has gratitude.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, men like women who put them in a happy mood.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want to wash up my married life.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: I don't want to mash up my married life.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: It's time to come out of people's house and go in your own.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Let it be known Couldn't play a Brigo episode without playing song like this right, we'll be right back now, do Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they brought dancers from London.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: They said they were hard as stone.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: The dancers they brought to compete against me to show the world how to break.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: I just want to say that that song was dedicated to the great Rachel Gunn, the greatest breakdancer I've ever seen from Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I'll leave it all over this one.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: If you know Brigo, I wonder if there's Brigo's biggest tune.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what Brigo's biggest tune would be, but if they had to choose a biggest, this had to be one of the biggest and this had to be one of the biggest.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: And this had to be one of my favorite.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: Back in the country, I was born like a cow.
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  Speaker 4: A girl want me marry.
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  Speaker 4: She want me marry.
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  Speaker 4: Now Went and do evil things to me In order that I should marry she, a voodoo man, tell me they have me tied from my head to my toe.
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  Speaker 4: They don't care how I try, I'm properly tied.
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  Speaker 4: I want to go, let me go.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 4: I want to go, want to go, let me go.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to go, let me go.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: I want to go, let me go.
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  Speaker 4: She gave me my breakfast last week Saturday.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: I kept so delirious I threw it away.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 4: Our dog was passing the same time.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 4: It smelled the food and started to whine.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: The voodoo man told me they have a name in the cemetery.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: Start to do me tree against me.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 4: So do man, join me in the dead people tea.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: They have me tied from my head to my toe.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, how I try, I'm properly tied.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: I want to go go, let me go go.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: I want to go go, let me go go.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: Hey, hey, ha ha ha, oh, ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: She believe in witchcraft.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: Drop me with the bread, the food that she give me, drop the hair from my head.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: I bought in when I'm on one more than one wife.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: This devil woman here.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 4: Take my life, voodoo man, tell me they have me there in the family tree.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: They put me far and love and fear.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: Just now.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: Voodoo man tell me they give me dead people bounty.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: They have me die from my head to my toe, don't care how I try, I want to go.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 4: I want to go.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: Go, let me go, I want to go.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: Let me go.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: I want to go, let me go.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: I want to go, let me go, I had to go.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: See you all here tomorrow.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: According to the Pranderos.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: See this already, guys.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: I don't want to mash up my married life.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: I don't want to mash up in my real life.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: I'll see you all next week Bye.